The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Down The Middle Dart

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

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Cuervo. Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there.

That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face and the habitual liar. This episode is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours, guys. I'd like to take you inside someone's living room because when you have parties for an event,

and this happens whether it's the Academy Awards, whether it's a draft party, whether it's a draft party, whether it's a political party, this happens every night of an election. Everybody's having a party. And it either becomes a celebration where people are dancing to Pearl Jam, or it becomes a morgue where everyone just leaves

because there's total despondency. I was brought in my head last night into the home of Shador Sanders who did not show up in Green Bay. Didn't want to go. Sort of the anti-Kam Ward who loved being in Green Bay. Was super excited to be in Green Bay. I don't like Kam Ward anymore for that. Hates Green Bay. But Shador Sanders, nothing.

And he knew it was coming. He had to have. He fell out of the top first round. His Draft King Kings odds to go below 14 was minus 450 there did there did feel like there was a momentum building to Hold on this may not go so well for him. I mean heck when we were talking to Diana yesterday She made it sound like it was totally possible That he slips to the second she made it sound probable in was totally possible that he slips to the second round.

She made it sound probable in a sense because when we brought up Pittsburgh and it was sort of like this tepid response of, well, maybe, and that that would be probably the highest place that Shudder could go. So my query is, do cancel the party. Before the party starts. Do cancel the party before the draft starts?

You're getting all these people, if you know you're trying to win best actor and you know you're losing, you're just happy to be nominated, you're gonna have a full party? It makes it more sad though if he's just alone in his house on a couch. That's true.

Like regardless, they're gonna want a shot of him, so you might as well have it look like festive. I would say a little bit of it depends on who you are inviting to your party. If your party is all of your family and closest friends, no. You'd like to be around the people that care about you and you care about if things don't go well. Maybe you want to be around people who you love. But if it's a whole sponsors, that kind of deal, you You may wanna pull the plug on that. Because you're concerned that you won't react well.

Maybe. Because they're gonna keep going to you and take a photo of you as one pick gets called, then another pick gets called, and you're still sitting there. That's one of the great visuals of any draft, is players who go, that's why players often don't wanna go to the draft.

Well, I think that's why Shadrding want to go to the draft. Can you imagine him still sitting there? Because you know the television cameras would have loved nothing more than, let's keep showing Chaudeur every pick that is not his. I feel like we have some examples of that quarterback sometimes turns out to be good. A guy that sits, Aaron Rodgers did it, Lamar Jackson sat way longer than we thought. Rob Lusberger didn't sit forever, but he was sitting for a little longer than I think they thought.

So I feel like if I'm Shadur, I'm like, okay, this happens with someone every other year where you think they might go mid-first round, they go later, and it turns out okay. You end up on a better team a lot of times. But it doesn't happen very often where a guy who had the hype that Shadur Sanders did, it wasn't that long ago in the college football season, this past season, where it was a real thought that number one and two in the draft is Shider, Sanders, and Travis Hunter. And for him to fall totally out of the first round, by the way, for intriguing dramatic purposes, I like it because, man, tonight's exciting again.

I thought it was the biggest story going into draft yesterday. Where is Shadr going to go? And now we get the same story going into tonight. Like now tonight is super interesting round two. I want to blame somebody though. Who do I blame for this Shadr thing? Deion. Okay.

Total hype of a player. What about the media? Yeah, I'm not going to blame the media. I'm part of the media. I'm not going to blame the media. All right. But I do wonder how much of Chaudhuri Sanders was media hype. We know that the Sanders family, Colorado, everything going on there, Chaudhuri is very braggadocious.

Major, major ratings, numbers, clicks, all that stuff during the college football season. I do wonder how much of the hype around Shadurah going into the draft, people thinking how great he is. I do wonder how much of that was a bit of a media creation. There's hype that happens every single year and I'm curious, we're actually often in charge of hype because you want to hype your own players, you want to hype the people who you're not taking, so there's no hype around the people

who you actually want to take. So there's a lot of funny businesses that goes on around hyping. I think when you talk about media creation of an athlete, right? I think there's also media cratering of same athlete, where you have the media going, actually, you know what,

even though he was pretty special at Colorado, albeit against teams that were probably not as good as other teams in the SEC in the Big 10. And then you see him at the pro day and you're like, wow, he pats the ball a lot. That window's not gonna be there in the NFL the same way it is in college. Or how many guys do we see that are excellent at one level and then they get to the next level and it's like, wait, this guy was good in college. But in the pros, he's not that guy. So how did the media crater him then?

It just feels like now going towards the draft there was a lot of stuff on him and his interviews with teams, a lot of leaks, it felt like oh, Shadour is being very braggadocious and being very this and being very that. It just felt like there was a lot of like anti-Shadour stuff going into the draft in the same way that during the season they were kind of propping him up. I just don't know how much that has to do with him falling versus it's a warning that, hey, he's going to fall, right? Like, I don't know if the media influence is there,

like if public perception, any of that makes a difference, as much as it's someone like Diana or anybody else becoming informed and saying, hey, these teams are telling me this guy is going to fall this is how they feel and now I'm just communicating to the viewer that hey when you show up and you expect this guy whose number was just retired to be drafted day one that's not gonna happen for sure but that's closer to the draft it felt like like after the Super Bowl there was like all right

there's a lot of negative momentum in the Sanders camp where it's like, things are coming out, his pro day, he's not gonna throw here, he's not gonna throw there, he's gonna do his own thing. And on top of that, the Travis Hunter praise, it's like, is he gonna play both sides? He says if he doesn't play both sides, he's not gonna play. Like, there was just a lot of stuff

that was anti-Colorado, both athletes, that I thought was a little weird. We tend to ignore that, and I think teams, you don't pay a lot of attention to that. That anonymous assistant coach who talked about how bad Shador was, how bad the interview was, it doesn't impact his draft status. Teams don't pay attention to that at all.

But perception though, Dave, perception. But not in the draft room of the team. For sure, but public perception. Right, for sure. Now everybody starts thinking, oh wait, is he kind of an asshole? We thought that he was, you know, this guy, well, he also was flexing a $75,000 watch at students had during the game, but whatever. Is that, is that a flex automatic when you're Deion Sanders child to flex a 75K

watch? I don't think, well, I know there's not another sports where the team only cares about what can help them win. Like the NFL, I feel like it's that sport. All the other stuff don't care. Can he help us win? And certainly, Shudder is not a bad character guy, no trouble off the field. If anything, I think he's high character, obviously super arrogant, but if anything, I think he's high character because I know for me if Deon Sanders were my father

You grow up that way. I don't know that I'm working as hard as Chaudhuri did to get to this point so I think that's a sign of high character, but I That's why I believe that it's a little bit Maybe it was a little bit of a media creation how good we thought he was Because I don't think NFL teams are drawn away from oh he was very arrogant you know if he could help us win at the most important position in all the pro sports. The ability for a quarterback to translate we talked about Tony said college players who don't end up being good pros

that's every sport there's there's a ton of college basketball players who are fun to watch during March, and they're terrific, they can even get to a championship, and they can't play pro basketball. Baseball, obviously that's the case. Football, of course, there's great football. You're like, wow, that quarterback, I was thinking about the number one,

if we had to do a top five of the greatest college players who never were able to quite make it, the first guy I think of is Doug Flutie. And I don't know if there's a view that he had. He had a good career. Doug had a good career. To view him as having had a good, absolutely good career.

But there are plenty like Heisman winning quarterbacks who amount to nothing. Well, ironically, the comparison that I just started thinking about as you were mentioning all of this and we're talking about Travis Hunter and some of the media hype around the quarterback. Different character thing, because I agree with you,

I think Chaudhuri might be cocky, confident. Not like, definitely cocky. But not a bad, no, the idea of he might be that, but that doesn't make him a bad guy or an inconsistent character to show up in a locker room. But how dissimilar is this from Johnny Manziel and Mike Evans at Texas A&M, where you had this generational receiver who, when we're watching it in college,

we're giving both guys the credit and saying, you have this electric quarterback who's running around and doing all these things. You have this singular wide receiver who we think is great. Not sure who to give the credit to. But when it came down to the draft, Johnny slipped a little bit, ended up being taken by Cleveland, Mike Evans taken in the top 10,

a generational receiver has been one of those guys with a thousand yards for like 10 straight years, he's a hall of famer, and now Travis Hunter at the top of this draft, is this the same thing of the teams doing the scouting and realizing more of this was Travis Hunter than it was Shador Sanders. And I think it's a question that gets answered over the course of careers. And so we're going

to watch what happens with Shador. He'll go this today. And the question is when he goes, what a team does is they give up their fifth year option when you don't get taken in the first round. So I don't think he'll get taken early in the second round. There was a thought that the Browns may take him right out of the gate, but why not trade up and get the fifth year out of him? It makes no sense to me to take a quarterback like Sanders who may not play. Well, you're weighing the value of having him under contract for a fifth year instead of just four years versus keeping whatever draft capital you would have had to give up to move back in the

first round. Right. And to me, a year of service is everything and get keeping a guy an extra year. We do calculations like that in baseball, how to keep a player an extra year of service time before free agency. I have to assume as part of the calculus for a GM to make in football because that fifth year, it's such an interesting rule, but man, that is a huge thing for a player. It's huge too. When you can get everybody under the calf space and you have that quarterback that can extend The window of guys you have to win now, right? Like we've seen it Brock Purdy We've seen Russell Wills like we've seen these guys be great early

Jalen hurts early on before they gave him that massive contract But it's like if you have that guy locked in you could take a chance on other things in the draft Will the Cleveland Browns take him right out of the gate tonight? That's the question. Like, what if he slides out of the second round? By the way, he might not be the first quarterback taken here.

Like when we were talking to Diana yesterday, she was talking about the momentum for Tyler Shuck to potentially even be a first round pick. So there are teams, you know, Jalen Milrow's out there as well that has all of the measurables that would make you think, hey, if we're willing to take a project, why not take him?

And the opposite hype on Milrow. Yeah, the total opposite. Everybody was down on Milrow during the season, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh wait, this guy's incredible. Yeah, because he has all of those measurables that everybody freaks out with at a combine. So it's a different type of thing, Chris.

Quick update, I peed during the break. Did you really? I mean, it wasn't a full. You're a good boy. Doesn't matter. I think I did enough though. Did you get an eighth? Yeah, I think I got an eighth.

You're a good boy. Thank you. Here you go, pee pee. God, the body's interesting, isn't it? It is. You can get it all done, all taken care of. I failed the test. Now, what are you like at concerts like tomorrow, David?

Because I get worried about drinking too much, and then I gotta go to the bathroom during the show. I don't wanna miss the show. Yeah, I'm not a, that won't happen to me. They do a different set every time. I'm a big set list guy. I like to plan out my bathroom trips. If I'm going to a concert where the set list

is the same every night, I prefer that. I wanna see the set list. I know I'm gonna go after this song, I'm going to the bathroom. I got a two song bridge here where it's two bad songs I don't care about, gonna go to the bathroom there. I know I'm gonna go after this song, I'm going to the bathroom. I got a two song bridge here where it's two bad songs I don't care about, gonna go to the bathroom there. That's how I play that concert.

So Pearl Jam is not quite like that in terms of there are not that I'm aware of like five or six packs where you can know, Bruce does this, where you know you're about to get a six pack and you can know where you can go to the bathroom and that should you wanna go. But to me, the juice is not worth the squeeze to go to the bathroom during a concert.

I'm with you. Only because it's such a schlep, no matter the size of the venue. Last night you were looking at five minutes door to door at least to get that done. Oh my god it was so easy. Yeah, what a great venue that place is. Great great venue, super convenient, really fun. Because it's in Broward. There is nothing worse than you're in the bathroom

and a song you're really looking forward to hearing is like, or you're in line and you're like two away from getting a beer and it's like, you're running out of the line, all of a sudden you're going back for some song, it's just like that. I get your point there, there is nothing worse than missing a song that you really wanted to hear.

So therefore, if I don't want that to happen, I'm not gonna leave the show. Because if you don't know exactly the set list, then you have no way of knowing what song is next if it's all a surprise. Therefore, it can't be worth it to me. So I'm gonna start the concert with an extra drink, and I'm gonna then nurse it throughout the concert,

maybe work in something that can last a few hours as a possibility instead of a drink. I see what you're saying, yeah. So what you're doing is you are making the plan because I don't want to be in that spot of missing my song because you never get it back. Yep. Yep. And I don't get hammered at shows either

because I want to be in the moment. I want to remember the night, you know, so. You're talking about meth, right? No. Do you take video? Good question. I'll take a? Uh, good question. I'll take a couple of pictures right when the show starts, then the phone goes away. A selfie with the kid? Yes, of course.

Just to create the memory? Of course. And then the phone goes away. I hate the recording. There were people in front of us last night. I think a guy in row in front of us a few seats down, I think he recorded the whole show. No. And he will do nothing with that. Like, what?

You ever watch those videos? They're terrible. Oh yeah, like is he sitting around one day and he says, hey hon, let's watch the video I took on my phone from last year at Pearl Jam. Let's relive this, we'll put it on the TV, this grainy ass footage. Some people put that on YouTube

and then there end up being people like me that never get to see someone in concert and I'm watching some dude's shitty video of a two hour and 45 minute concert where I can't hear half the songs and there's 770 total views. Yeah, he's here for me. Critically important to understand

that there's always gonna be someone to serve me. That is my view, that if I need to see something again, I'll search it on YouTube and it'll be there. I don't need to do the recording and not be in the moment because I'm gonna have an opportunity to watch a moment from that concert somewhere else. I tell you, I'm learning right now.

I think Dave and I are gonna have a good time tomorrow. I think we're on the same page with a lot of this. I don't know that we're sitting together. Okay. But if we are, it could be fun. Though I'm anxious to be around Dan. I've been to a concert with Dan. Like a lot of neck movement, I'm telling you.

So, and he's tall. He's tall and it makes it tough. But the good news is it is Valerie's birthday weekend. So the thought is he's on his best behavior. So I'm less worried about how he's gonna be. I don't know if that manifested itself last night. But the weekend starts today. Yeah, that's true.

I mean, you know, it's Friday. But I- It was his Friday. Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah, that's true. I mean, you know, it's Friday. But I thought- It was his Friday. Yeah, right, right, right. No, I thought he was, I didn't know that there's a scenario where he wouldn't be best behavior. I've been out with Dan before, not a ton,

but I didn't know there's a scenario where he's not best behavior. Oh, there could be sleeping, there could be storming out, there could be I'm not interested in this anymore. Sleeping, I love the idea of Dan just like. Listen, that's what the next thing is. I don't know if you've all done this,

but this is a Tuesday for me in class. I was the king, I'm gonna give you, for those of you just listening, what I'm doing is. You couldn't sleep like I couldn't. Oh, I am telling you that I was able to sleep in class with my pen moving. That's impressive. So the professor

would have the view that I was not sleeping. So it's like this. You know if your eyes are closed, David, he's not really falling for it. Oh, but I was in a great state. If I'm looking at you right now, I think you're sleeping, even if your pen's moving. That's right. Because your eyes are closed.

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Taitas. This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugats. two guards. Somebody say look. Oh, what? Don't look now. Tony hit it. Oh, for a new game. Don't look now. Don't look now presented by Smirnoff,

the world's number one vodka. Please drink responsibly. Boys, don't look now. Obviously, look now presented by Smirnoff, the world's number one vodka. Please drink responsibly. Boys, don't look now. Obviously, we had the NFL draft last night. Don't look now. Second round. I've been doing a little bit of investigative work. Zazz, are you looking? You've been looking ahead. I'm looking at you. No, don't look at me.

Oh, point is, don't look. I know Dave's not looking. All right. My eyes are closed. Nobody look. I mean, can somebody explain? I'm new here. Somebody explain. I tell you, don't look. All right. Do not look. All look. I mean, can somebody explain? I'm new here. Somebody explain me something to me. I tell you. Don't look now. All right. All right.

Do not look. All right. Roy? Not looking. OK, thank you. Pre-don't look now, I was doing some investigative work. You're looking ahead, it seems. I was looking ahead, but I'm not looking now,

which is the whole point. You know who picks 37th in the second round? 37th pick, which is like the fifth or sixth pick of the second round. Not 37th in the second. It's 37th, but the second round. 37th pick, which is like the fifth or sixth pick of the second round. 37th in the second. 37th, but the second round overall. The Las Vegas Raiders. Could we see them pair should do her Sanders with Ashton Genti? Wow. I love that. It's a big juicy meatball right there. Don't look,

but Zazz, you love that fit. Yeah like there was, for a while, especially during this football season, there seemed to be like this romance between the Raiders and Chaudhuri Sanders. And then it just kind of went, I, I, I, poof, I don't know. It's not there anymore. So I think Chaudhuri would be a fantastic fit for me. How do you feel about giving a take with your eyes closed? Cause you look uncomfortable doing it.

Well, yeah, like I'm very awake, you know, so I'm- But you're pros pro though. Like I'm holding my eyes closed. They want to open cause I'm awake. I'm jacked up. It's like you're Chris Cody's house. Don't look now Could Jackson dart be special? This is what it's like in my house Now imagine I'm walking into the room with you guys like hey, what's up? Hey Chris too scary I'm not looking. Jackson Dart's second quarterback taken

gets to sit behind Russell Wilson and James Winston, gets to get the best of both worlds, conservative and very liberal with the football. I think it'd be a good little spot. I mean, James. Conservative and liberal? I mean, we've got. Centrist?

Down the middle, Jackson Dart. Maybe Jackson Dart can be the centrist, but we've got James Winston, who's very liberal with the football, loves to give it to the other team. We've got Russell Wilson, who tries to play conservative and keep it away from the other team. And Jackson Darby somewhere in the middle. All right, we should stop this as going to fall asleep. Does he look? No, I'm eyes are closed. It's like in the movie when the kid has to keep her eyes closed or his eyes closed, but you can see them moving underneath the eyelids and they're like, how could they not cut that?

All right, you guys can open your eyes now. Back to show. Oh, God. Look now. I'm looking. How many people use that eye mask? Just me. So that is your personal eye mask?

Yeah. Is that from Sheets and Giggles by chance? Yes. Have the same one. Yeah, you do. My wife does this thing, and I don't know why she doesn't start the night you do. My wife does this thing, and I don't know why she doesn't start the night with it. My wife goes to bed, I have a true,

my wife goes to bed before me, so around 10, 30, 11, she goes to bed, I'm usually 11, 45, 12, so she goes to bed around 11, 30, half hour after she's been in there, just before I go to bed. She always emerges from the room, walks to the freezer of our kitchen, opens the freezer, pulls out a little baggie,

and she has an eye mask in that she likes, a cold, compressy eye mask. I don't know why she doesn't start the night with it. She always comes out a half hour after she's gone to bed, kinda like, can't sleep, need the eye mask. Like, just get the eye mask from the go, and then you might be better. But do you guys, is this a thing with anybody?

Have you guys ever heard of the cold eye mask when you're sleeping? It's to help with the bags. It's to help with the crow's feet. It's to help stay and look young. I think she does it more just to help her sleep, but I think it just feels nice. I mean, I think that's a side effect of it.

She hasn't said to me, this is why I'm doing that, but I'm always just like, why don't you do it from the start? It's weird, you're going to the freezer for an eye mask. Maybe you don't do it from the start because it's like a nice thing to be able to rely on if you can't sleep. Ooh, here's a second option that I can go out.

I can change my routine. I can go do this thing that helps soothe me and get to sleep, rather than if I start the night with this thing that's supposed to help soothe me, then what? Then what happens if I can't fall asleep? Then I'm up all night. If you already know you've got the backup plan,

then your brain already says, all right, do the backup plan. Yeah, but some nights maybe you could just fall asleep, you're exhausted, you're able to go to bed, but this is just a break glass in case of emergency type of thing. Does anyone in this room, do you guys have any backup? Like when you can't sleep and you've been rolling around for a half hour,

what's your go-to? I'm gonna think about this. I can always sleep. Do you have any? Yeah, I go watch a movie. Really? Oh, so you stop trying to sleep. I only get, as you know, most a couple hours a night, and so I'm watching content, and that is my prime time. I love the nighttime with the lights on.

I love watching stuff. I watched a whole series the other night that I just reviewed. I'm nothing personal this morning. North of North, have you ever heard of it? No. No. So I get to watch so much more stuff than most people North, have you ever heard of it? No. No. So I get to watch so much more stuff than most people because I have so many more hours in the day.

It's an eight episode arc, 30 minutes an episode. It's about a place that's way north. I saw a preview for this recently. Of North. Yes. North of that? It's way, it's more north than the most north we've ever been. I can't tell, is it a documentary or is it?

No, it's an actual sitcom. Okay. It's a show about, and I'm gonna do this wrong and you're gonna have to just tell me It's the Inuits Inuits Inuits in you in it's the Inuits Inuits You keep saying it you did fine Live in the super cold like right and? And super dark a lot of months. Ooh, I like this. It's super light.

I like this, me and my wife. I love that. Oh, it's dark? Well, not the whole year. You understand the way it works is that there's six months where it's totally dark. No, I know. I was doing a callback to me every day at night.

Dave, you should go live there on the light time, because it's light the entire day. There's no nighttime. I did go up to the Arctic Circle. A little look at me, Louis, but I will tell you, I went to a midnight little league game. Wow. And it was so cool. So kids, their schedule, there's no nighttime. And so what they do-

Well, but you say that like as if that means they don't get tired. No, no. So the way it works is there's no set time that the kids sleep because it's daytime. So their rhythms are off anyway. So what do they just tell their team, hey, for the next couple of weeks, bedtime is 10 a.m.? No, but there's no bedtime. So I spoke to the kids about this.

They don't sleep, Zach, what are you not getting? They don't sleep for six months, what are you not getting? If there is school every day of the week. There has to be bedtime. This is off from school. So this is the summertime and just people just don beds, right? This is off from school. This is during the summer. So this is the summertime. And just people just don't, it's just chaos.

No routine anywhere. Just everybody's up at all times of the day. But everything's open. It's amazing. All day long. Were you scouting Brendan Fraser? Where was this? This is above the Arctic Circle in Alaska.

It's north. It is north of the north. And that time of year in the summer, there's no sunset, and there's really no sunrise. It never goes below the horizon. And I was very interested, I was working with the Marlins at the time, and I thought it'd be cool to watch a little league game because there's one field, but it's operational.

There's games all the time. So they could fit in all the games. So you fit in, because there's a lot of people up there, believe it or not, and they're all playing games, and they're doing stuff, and they play midnight games, there's like a 3 a.m. game, but it's not the real, it's not 3 a.m. to them.

Here's the downside. During the winter, there's no games at all. You can't, there's no lights on the field. And it's dark all the time. It's dark all the time. So that means they sleep all day long. So it's a major, now you get it. No one's awake for six months. Now you get it. So it's a major. No one's awake. Now you get it. No one's awake for six months.

Now you get it. So it's a major issue. You've got high rates of suicide, you've got high rates of depression. It is a weird, it's a major issue when your body doesn't have the rhythm of darkness. Wow. Is this show funny?

I've seen a preview for it. It looks funny. I was told it was Schitt's Creek. It's not. I love Schitt's Creek. I enjoyed the season. It's worth four I love Schitt's Creek. I enjoyed the season. It's worth four hours if you have an extra four hours, which is why for me I love having all the extra time

because I can watch all this stuff. But you, if you give me, do you sleep eight a night? Mm, more like six. Oh, you've got a shot. It may take a couple weeks to get it, but there are people I know who sleep eight strong every night, you'll never watch the show. There's just not the capability of having enough time to get it, but there are people I know sleep eight strong every night, you'll never watch the show. There's just not the capability of having enough time to do it.

I try to convince people when I'm giving reviews of what they should watch and what they shouldn't based on their own sleeping habits, I can't do it based on mine. Because then I would suggest almost everything. Because I have time for bad content. So you have certain shows that you recommend to eight hour sleepers, certain shows to seven hour sleepers, certain shows to six hour sleepers. It's not that broken down. It's a finite amount of time during the day,

so this is worth your time. You have a couple of extra hours than the person who gets the right amount of sleep, and so in those couple of extra hours, here's something you should waste your time with. It's not wasting, but so. Well, it's not wasting your time because you have enough of it,

that's exactly right. is what you're saying. Is you're someone that has 18 hours in a day, as opposed to someone else who might have 20 hours in a day or 16 hours in a day, and in turn, I'm going to adjust my recommendation based off how much time I think you have. You say that like it's a strange thing. No, I think it's a good thing.

But that's exactly what I do. I think it's great, it's a perfect scale. So when I know someone who sleeps like I do, who has 22 hours in a day, I'm gonna give them a different set of content to watch. I think that's great. This is worth your time as opposed to this show. Yeah, I think that's has 22 hours in a day, I'm gonna give them a different set of content to watch. This is worth your time as opposed to this show. Yeah, I think that's a great way of doing it,

where you're thinking of wasting people's time, because the worst thing is when someone has highly recommended a show, because then, I'm not someone, again, we talked about the pleaser thing last hour, but if someone's told me, this is great and you, I know you, you'll love this. I'm certainly never going to just watch one episode

and give it up. I'm gonna watch the season that they've told me to watch here. And sometimes that'll feel like a waste of time. So if you have a good barometer of, I know the amount of time you have in a day and so I'm gonna cut it off here. I think that's like one of the most empathetic things

I've ever heard you do, David. So the time thing, Tony, is interesting to me because last night's end of the Pistons Knicks game, it didn't bother me at all because I got plenty of time. You wanna take forever to get to get the last tenth of a second. You love the reviews. No problem. You love the challenges.

You love the referees staring into the camera, giving their full explanation while everyone else is annoyed. I got time. You're good with it. OK. The games ended at like past midnight last night, because we had two games going on. The Memphis and Oklahoma City game basically

went to the buzzer. And then the Clippers. How did that game turn out to be good? I mean, I was able to watch the whole fourth quarter. No, I understand. But remember, we were annoyed yesterday, right? Because that game was T right instead of the great game Nuggets Clippers being on NBA TV. Well that game was

Horrible and Grizzly's Thunder at least had juice to it in the second half makes you think huh? What'd the NBA know? The one that it would be one 1783 they knew that there'd be a blowout. No, that's what I'm saying No, I listen I hear you but that type But that type of conspiracy, I'm all for it. Well, there was conspiracy-laden situations in the Pistons-Nicks game, because did you see how the It was cheating. the last.5 seconds was handled, Dave? Did you see that?

I, of course I saw it. I've got time. Okay, so what's the rule? I know you know basketball. What's the rule? Well, what's your Knicks fandom like these days? I just want it, my Knicks fandom is now ordinary. All my fandom in fandom is now ordinary.

All my fandom in sports has become ordinary because of what I did for a living. There is a neutral time clock keeper in the class. So I'd like to eliminate all those people. No, I like ignoring that and just calling it cheating. Exactly right, thank you. No, it ruins, you can't. No, you're ruining it by saying it's neutral.

Because it is. I'm making it fun saying that it's cheating by the whole team. Exactly right. So that's the issue. The issue is that you don't care about reality. You just care about- I want the fun.

You- but wait, the fun is the cheating? Yeah, I want to watch that game- The fun is the illusion of possible cheating. I want to watch that game and say the Detroit Pistons timekeeper, he was cheating so that the Pistons can have an inbounds play and by the way an extra timeout to draw up a play on the final play. Bad play by the way an extra timeout to draw up a play The final play by play well, how about you know Jalen Dern throwing the ball? I play you know how about you have a guy who actually passes during the game to throw in the ball ball Just went out of bounds the most anti-climactic situation

Shot off well I was at the game and this guy I'm remembering so many things with you guys today Do you know what the Trent Tucker rule is? Yes. I've heard of it, yes. Yes, of course. It's the point three. Trent Tucker was on Martin Luther King Day, and you can check me.

I think it was a Martin Luther King Day Knick Game at the Garden. Trent Tucker in the corner. I'm at the game with my little sister, who was a baby at the time, point one on the clock, catch, shoot, three, Nick's win, going crazy. Not humanly possible.

And then they said, wait a minute, we can't do this anymore. We're gonna say it's point three to do a shot. Talk about home cooking. That was that. Home cooking on that clock, point one second, that even started. It's done, you can't.

And it's the same with point three. That was the joke to me of the whole thing, that the difference between.1 and.3 is so random to say, oh, now you can catch it and shoot it. But.1, no. Right. .3, no problem. Right.

Dan Fisher got it off of.4. Headline, the day Trent Tucker changed NBA history. You're right, MLK Day, 1990. Wow, look at that, look at the big memory on David. Against the Chicago Bulls. It was against the Bulls and you have to remember the Bulls were the bane of my existence growing up because all Jordan did was win. Your thoughts on Charles Smith. Number 54 go up strong go up strong now you're bringing me back to fandom now I'm feeling it I'm thinking what it was like

in the early 90s when Charles Smith has the ball. I'm asking you please, eyes are closed, don't look now. A ball fake, no. Ball fake two, no. Go up strong. You're 6'11". John Scorsese. Sorry. You're two for 18.

I don't wanna dance with the guy I brought to the dance. If you're two for 18, I'm gonna sit your ass down because we gotta win a game seven, we haven't won a title since 1972. I was such a fan, you're bringing it back. Greg Anthony. Good guy. Carl Anthony Towns.

Not interested. Carl Anthony Towns goes through a whole second half without taking a shot. Yeah. And then all of a sudden it's like, all right, now I'm gonna take shots. Well, I wonder if the Nick fan is mad about that. You're obviously super pleased if you're a Nick fan today

But if call Anthony Towns did any of that in the second half of game two or even just the fourth story I'm sure you're probably up three nothing like there's prop Nick fans happy today for sure But it's probably a little bit of what like where has this guy been? Yeah Is that not a little bit on your lead guard and your coach to get Kat involved though as a big man? Like he doesn't have the ball in his hands at all time. They are, especially in game two,

just spamming Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brunson, ISO pick and roll, ISO pick and roll. Like is it not, their offense, they don't run a very complicated offense. They don't run an offense that involves much more than Jalen Brunson and Kat in the pick and roll. And if you're not getting him involved,

if you're the lead guard, this is what's gonna happen. There's gonna be stretches, particularly with big men that operate around the perimeter, where there are entire halves where they disappear because there's not a concentrated effort to get them the ball. We saw, it's not the same skill We saw it's not the same skill set. It's not the same offensive game, but we saw something not that dissimilar with using Bama

DiBio as a facilitator in game two for Miami and not getting him the ball in positions to score. Now, in this game, there was clearly a concentrated effort coming back for New York to say, hey, we need to get cat involved because our offense completely falls apart late in the game if he's not an option for us. So to me, it's fully up to Tibbido and Brunson to get that guy to be the player that you expect him to be with the talent that he has. That's who he's been his whole career. I

guess the explanation I would give to that or at least my thought is we wouldn't we would consider everything you just said if not for there being a little bit we wouldn't, we would consider everything you just said, if not for there being a little bit of a history, we'll call Anthony Towns, in big moments, in big playoff games. But is there, was he not really good last year for Minnesota? Were they not like- He had really good moments.

Yeah. But I think the consistency is what he's talking about. Right, but I think your point would be like, and this is again the same thing we kind of do with BAM, which is depending on the perception that you have of the player. They're not the same. No, not on the same thing we kind of do with BAM, which is depending on the perception that you have of the player. No, not on the same level, it's not the same conversation, but it's the perception that you have of the player

that dictates how you respond to what performance. Carl Anthony Towns last year, the perception coming in was he won't show up, he won't do anything. And so when he had big moments, we were all caught off guard. So now he gets traded to New York, he has to be the guy. And it's almost as if we forgot those things that you just mentioned, which are occasionally, there are gonna be games where he doesn't have 35 points

in the game and he kind of disappears. And that is because what? He's not one of the 10 best scorers who's ever lived. Like, I don't understand how we're supposed to react. And so your point too, it's tough when you have a team that is built around a ball dominant guard, right? Jalen Brunson, Anthony Edwards. It's like, this is their team. Guys playing off of Luca too, like similar scenarios. Exactly.

It's just tough to be able to get the ball in positions to score when you're the second, sometimes third option on an offense. Just keep in mind that the T Wolves thought that to get better, they needed to trade. You're going to say it's not trueves thought that to get better, they needed to trade. You're gonna say it's not true. They didn't get better and they knew they weren't getting better. That was a salary decision.

Yeah, I think it was money involved there. That was fully a salary decision. So now I'm gonna have to, can I do a disclosure on the show? Yeah, sure. I mean, this is what we do, isn't it? Everybody knows I love disclosures, let's hear it. Do you? Full disclosures?

Yep. I'm gonna give you a half disclosure. Oh, come on, man. Take what I can get. All right, I'll give you a full. Thank you. The Minnesota Twins, the Minnesota Twins. All right, 4869.

The Minnesota Timberwolves and their trading of Carl Anthony Towns was in an effort not to do anything with the second and first apron. It was an effort to get them closer to winning a championship. I just don't. And I have it from the source of the trade.

I'm not gonna disclose my source. Journalists- He said full disclosure. Yeah, he said full disclosure. Full disclosure is I have it from the source of trade. I'm not gonna disclose my source. Journalists. He said full disclosure. Yeah, he said full disclosure. Full disclosure is I have the answer that it was not a money trade. Well then it was a bad. Is that a half when you don't disclose your source?

Three quarters. I feel like it's 85%. I'm disclosing to you and I'm trying to tell you that what you think happened with that trade and now the Knicks have Kat and I'm worried as tell you that what you think happened with that trade, and now the Knicks have Kat, and I'm worried as a Knick fan, can he be the number two guy in a championship winning team? And the answer's no.

Well, and this is it for the Knicks too, because it's not like they, there's no real moves to be made if this doesn't work. Like if they don't believe they're a championship team, they have no more assets. They traded them all obviously from McHale Bridges. You got a money trade, by the way. The same trade, by Kell Bridges. You got a money situation where you're paying guys a ton of money.

Like this is their team, so it needs to work. It's not gonna work. The Knicks aren't gonna, I assume the Knicks are behind five teams to win the title in their title hopes. Can we name five teams off the top of our head? Five almost in the Western Conference. Yeah. Well, but only, so I love that,

because only one of them will get to the NBA Finals. So the question is the Knicks against each of those five teams, where would they be? But I think at this point, more people would feel confident in the Pacers than they would feel in the Knicks. And I think people look at, obviously Cleveland and Boston,

and then whatever team comes out of the West. And maybe you feel more confident in New York than you do in Indiana. I think Indiana's proven the second half of the year to be a better basketball team during that stretch than New York was you do than Indiana. I think Indiana's proven the second half of the year to be a better basketball team during that stretch than New York was. They're really, really good and they're dominating a good team in Milwaukee,

but I don't know what the odds would say. According to DraftKings, they are tied for seventh in terms of odds of winning the championship. But how many Eastern teams are out of them? Just the Cavs and Boston. Yeah, they're third. They're still drifting. Exactly as we said. Five other teams.

They're tied with Timberwolves, plus 4,500. So there you go. So both teams, according to. Net neutral basically for the trade. The interesting thing is really just the way that these front offices have managed things the last few years, because you can look, not just at New York that now is in this kind of

stuck position potentially, if this doesn't work out, but the way Milwaukee and Denver will end up feeling about the way that they've managed their franchises post-championship around literal legends of the game and putting those positions, putting those players in Jokic and Janic in position to be potentially unhappy, it's shocking the way that those two franchises have, have kind of failed to build around those generational players.

It's my favorite thing though, about these NBA playoffs. Like think about where we were in that Denver Clippers series after the first game that's like, this is going to be a seven game series. This is going to be amazing. And now I mean, does anyone think Denver is going to win another game? The series? They're cooked. Yes.

Maybe guys don't want a game, but they're, they're not going to win anything. Guys. It's 40 minutes later and I have to pee again. Whoa! See you later. Folks, listen up. They're here and they're hot. Get ready because Jimmy John's is turning up the heat.

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