The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Give Me That Plain Stick (feat. Lucy Rohden)

Episode Date: March 24, 2025

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That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar. This episode of the Dan LeBattard Show with Stigatz is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. I see that Lucy Rodin is now radiant and just filled with superstardom.

I am told by others that the sponsorship dollars are coming her way because people want to be associated with the Rodin brand. Why are you smiling, Zaslow? That makes sense. I see she's a very busy young lady. I've never talked to her before. OK, well, welcome to Zaslow.

You're meeting Lucy for the first time. Do you guys want to tell each other anything weird about each other? Zaslow is super weird. Zaslow is a strange, strange person. That's your opinion. Who doesn't own a coat. Well, because I live in Cooper City. Like, I doesn't own a coat. Well, because I live in Cooper City.

I haven't needed a coat. And then ESPN springs on me, hey, you're going to travel the entire country during college football season. I'm like, okay. And then I learned not everywhere is the same weather as Cooper City. Did you get the Disney passes? Of course. Oh, I missed that. We have to talk later.

Billy misses them so much. So much. Lucy, welcome. We will talk March Madness with you in a moment, but before we do that, I saw that you were loving all of the Ben Affleck, you've fallen in love with Ben Affleck, it appears to me, based on your social media postings.

I'm not like in love with Ben Affleck himself. I'm in love with watching Ben Affleck's dating life. He wakes up and he goes, hmm, what Jennifer is it gonna be today? I don't think he's ever met a woman in his life not named Jennifer. He just can't decide between the two. A few weeks ago, he said,

hey, Jennifer Gardner, it's you again. I'll make it work if you want to make it work. And then she came out and she said, I don't want to make it work. That's not true. Right after two weeks ago or a few weeks ago, he was like a finally officially divorced from Jennifer Lopez. And then like a day after that, they were like, just kidding. They're trying to make it work. He's back with JLo. And then a few weeks prior, he was like, I'm done with JLo. I'm over JLo. That's done.

And then a few days before, he's like, I don't know. Something good could happen with JLo. He just can't, he can't choose a Jennifer. And I know that he's gonna spend the rest of his life jumping from Jennifer to Jennifer to Jennifer, and I can't wait to watch. Jeremy, why are you smiling? I was just thinking of how incredible Ben Affleck is

in terms of his Weird dating life and what Lucy said the fact that he's just oscillating between these Jennifers for what like 30 years Why is it weird? It's one Jennifer or another I'm trying Jennifer. They're good Jennifer. They're good Jennifers They are good Jennifers Well not JLo I, not J-Lo. Whoa. I'm not a J-Lo guy. We've done this before.

We've done this before. I'm not a J-Lo guy, all right? I don't have to be a J-Lo guy. He just bent at the moment. Hey, let's just say something. Two minutes right here in the shipping container for trying to leave. What?

Okay, I was gonna ignore that. It just said leaving on the thing and I thought it would be like him leaving is what I thought it was gonna say. What were you gonna say Lucy? One thing we can agree about both Jennifers is they're hot. Do you know what else is hot? Jimmy John's sandwich. This Lucy's segment is brought to you by Jimmy John's.

They're finally here and they're hot. Try new toasted sandwiches at Jimmy John's. Order one today. We gotta do better than that. Billy, you saw what just happened there. I thought that was pretty good. Billy, you saw what happened. You made Billy burst out laughing.

How about you give us some good information and then attach a sponsor to it? Like give us something on the Duke Baylor game. Give us some good information and then have it sponsored. Well, I thought the Jennifer information was really good and that actually kinda hurt my feelings a little bit because that's something about that i'm sorry for getting worried about that and sports information i'm sorry i should have seen you know i would say jumping from jennifer to jennifer is almost a sport

i would agree that that might be true uh... do they are this is one of the games we went to it was one of those things where i left being like thank god i picked him to win my bracket because it is insane how good they are. Even with Cooper flag and foul trouble early in that game, it is just like, there was one point where Duke had this insane lob dunk and Jeremy Roach, former Duke player,

I saw him close up, just look at Baylor go, there's really nothing we can do about this. Like it was, Baylor had given up because Duke was such a dominant team and this was following right on the heels of Florida Yukon. Where Florida was supposed to kind of cruise that's also been the very popular pick to be the national champion. It is just remarkable how good Duke basketball is right now and they kind of feel like the clear favorite for me to win the national championship

through this March madness so far. Did you show up for the game before also? Yeah, the Florida you come on. Yes. That I would love to live life never having to watch Florida try to shoot free throws again. Like I think that would be really good for me, emotionally and spiritually. It was one of those games where like it just,

the first half was like, oh my God, this is what you guys must feel like when I talk about Iowa football, nothing is happening. This is like, why are we doing this? There's so much defense and there's nothing fun happening. It gave me some pause with Florida, the freezer line issues or something that it's going to, you know, haunt them if they continue to play the way they did. I don't necessarily agree with Dan Hurley's take that they were screwed. Yeah, Dan Hurley thinks they were cheating. Dan Hurley's always thinking stuff. He's a professional yapper, but don't worry.

Now that Dan Hurley and Yukon have been eliminated from the NCAA tournament, he can go on vacation. So this joke in this off-roading segment was presented by Priceline. Dreaming about that trip? Book it and go to your happy price with Priceline. We gotta get better at these. That was so good! What are you talking about?

No, I like it. Just every few seconds, throw in the sponsor. You're doing a fine job, Lucy. No, that was so seamless and beautiful and I tied it into the basketball. You said, No Lucy, no more Jennifer talk. You gotta talk about basketball. What is the best fan base you've encountered in your travels? I was actually very surprised by this one. We were in Lexington for day one and then Raleigh for day four. So Lexington day one, not a ton of great games there. It was just kind of, it's been a little bit of a bummy March madness, the first two rounds in the sense of like competitive matchups and upsets.

But despite that, the Wofford Terrier fan base is electric. They were the wildest fans I've ever heard in my life. The things they were screaming at officials, I cannot repeat on the show. It would not be safe for me to say. They were so much fun that I think we have to do off-roading at Wofford in the future because it was the like I was in shock and they were playing Tennessee Tennessee who like notoriously has great very passionate very into it fans Wofford a different level a different level you're the guy that does underhand free throws. Yes You're saying you're saying that the Wofford fan base is the most electric fan base

You've ever encountered in all of your travels in this sense that like obviously they're a much smaller fan base I will say maybe aggressive is the right term Louisville fans also quite aggressive that they were an angry bunch Respected that though. They were like, Wofford I won't say is like the most amazing fan base, just because we do get to go to a lot of cool games, which thank you for that. Hey, and if you want to go to a lot of cool games, you can download the Game Time app.

What time is it? Game Time. Download the Game Time app and redeem code Lucy, not Dan, for $20 off your first purchase. She's so good at this. She's really good at it. It's amazing. She's good, it's impressive She's really good at it. It's amazing. She's good, it's impressive.

Well, this is why she's a rising star in the business, that all the sponsors want to be around her. Billy, you were very excited by... No, it's just the transitions have been seamless. I don't know if you've even noticed this, and the fans on YouTube can notice it. While she's doing new spots, that's the logo in the corner changes.

She talks about game time, there's a game time logo, there's a Priceline logo, there's a Jimmy John's logo. It's incredible. Early rounds in the women's tournament. I found the men's stuff to be disappointing and I wanted more and usually the chalk in the women's tournament advances easily early on and that's not a lot of fun to watch.

I don't necessarily know if it's not a lot of fun to watch. I don't necessarily know if it's not a lot of fun to watch. I think that watching what UConn did to Arkansas State is fun in a sadistic, twisted way. Yeah, that tends to be sort of the case with the women's tournament. I don't know if it's just like the talent gap between the best teams in women's college basketball or the fact that it's at home venues,

but I thought it was a pretty decent start. You did get one pretty notable upset in Kansas State beating Kentucky. That ends Georgia A. Morris college career and she was electric this year at Kentucky and was just must see TV when she was at Virginia Tech. And so I thought that was a pretty big upset. That game went into overtime,

ended up being a pretty good one. Kansas State, they are always a sneaky team. but I view it less of the sense where like the men's tournament we're very used to the the 15 beating the two every year or something nutty or crazy happening so you kind of have to take a different approach of like you're watching the women's tournament to watch the best at what they do we're like you're watching the men's tournament for like, slump, and it upsets, and craziness. And so I thought the good, I thought the first round, which is still going on today, there's still some more games happening, has been pretty good for the women so far. Good seeing you. Keep cashing those checks. The sponsors love you. Take care. You're welcome for making you all this money. Both of both of us it's not the end i don't get it all

uh... can i ask you guys because as as well was mentioning and we were talking earlier about his sixteen-year-old son do you realize there's a whole segment of people as he was mentioning that don't know anything about charlesley's basketball career and don't remember anything about George Foreman as a boxer. Zazz's son is being introduced for the first time to David Sampson. So my son's at an age at 16 where his friends, they're all on social media, and his friends say, hey, look at this clip, it's your dad on the Levitard show, you know, the other

day. And okay, you know, my son's not that impressed with it, but he then sees, he looks at the comments, you know, and my son said, he goes, I gotta tell you, the comments, people really liked you. And I go, it's just, it'll even out, all right, don't worry about worry about that and then he says I'll tell you who they don't like I'm like oh okay who he goes that's Samson guy and that's why I laughed and he doesn't know who he is though I said you know who David Samson is like he thinks he's just a personality on your show and I guess that makes sense if you're 16 and David

Samson hasn't been the president of the Marlins in what, seven years? Like it makes sense, like yeah, he was the president of the Marlins. He swindled the city and got the stadium. Like, you know, everybody hates him. They're cheap, whatever. But he- Those were the Cliff Notes?

Yeah, those were, I mean- That's it. That's what you lead with, right? $2 billion F.E.U. Yeah, so he has been introduced to David. You know what they don't like? That S Samson guy What would you do if you are Cooper flag?

With your future does anyone out here want to play at the bottom rung of the NBA ladder? like I and I asked this question watching that Charlotte team that has never played a meaningful basketball game and I've watched Anthony Mason and Jamal Mashburn that franchise does not know what it is to play a meaningful basketball game and i've watched anthony mason and jamal mashburn that franchise does not know what it is to play a meaningful basketball game and never even been to a conference finals at all but i i i mean michael jordan one of the great disasters in ownership except for he makes money on his way out but nothing good happened there the entire time he was there or they look like they were onto something and when we murdered Wade murdered the guy in the purple shirt. Yeah, purple shirt guy ended everything for them.

They were trending up for the first time in franchise history. Something was happening there and then Dwayne Wade's such ass down. Nothing since. That is kind of the history of it, but Charlotte hasn't played a meaningful game since. The headband.

Y'all was crazy. And you're going to go play as Cooper flag for a team worse than Charlotte. So I've, I've, I've talked about this a bit recently on ESPN radio with Cooper flag where we're in an age where, okay, he could make as much staying another year at Duke as he would his first year salary, almost as much maybe in the NBA, even if he's the number one overall pick. You enter the draft, you see the Wizards or the Hornets, these are godforsaken franchises okay?

I don't want to go play there. You pull out of the draft, you're gonna go back to school Duke, you know because being the big man on campus, pretty awesome, really fun life and you're gonna make a lot of money. But the pushback that I've gotten, and it is interesting, the pushback that I've gotten is, if you stay another year in school, you're delaying yourself another year of getting that first contract after your rookie deal. And that first contract, by the time he gets there, five years from now, I mean, it's like a 200 plus million dollar deal. The thing about money to me and these conversations

that are most interesting is I wonder if I go back to retired athlete and say, hey, at 50 or 60, what would you pay to have another year of college before it became the big giant business of pressure? Because one of the things that happens when you arrive at these kinds of successes and become an economy for things is that you get to the pros and now it's just a lot of responsibilities.

You thought it was gonna be fun, but you're running a business and you might like the playing you know i don't like actually very much the practices in the shoot arounds and all the meticulous sculpting in basketball but if i gave anybody in our audience how much would you pay to go back and have a year of college as cooper flag not as yourself on not as yourself as cooper flag what would you pay to have another year of college as Cooper flag not as yourself not as yourself as Cooper flag what would you pay to have another year of that before you did before you go become Kyle Kuzma and just start

wandering around alleys in Washington because you know 9 000 people are watching your games how about the uh the kids that got drafted out of high school would you ask them would you rather have gone to college going straight to the froze the Fros? I mean, the reality is, is these endorsements are carrying over either way, right? So like you're gonna make 12 or $13 million as the number one overall pick in your base salary, that you make zero dollars in your base salary in college, and all the endorsements that you're getting,

the quote unquote NIL deals, this is the same conversation we were having about Caitlin Clark last year. But oh, she stated Iowa should get all this NIL money, but you're still gonna get all of the sponsorships that come with NIL money if you're in the NBA, and wherever Cooper Flag goes, like if he stays for another year,

what makes you guys think that the Wizards and the Hornets aren't gonna be the two worst teams in the NBA next year? Draft is still much bad teams next year. Right, but it's a lottery, you know? It's not the NFL draft where the worst team, and they're gonna be terrible again, and the worst team gets that pick. So give up $12.6 million, that's what the number one overall pick got this year in base salary. Give up $12.6 million so that maybe next year the ping pong balls go the right direction for you. Oh no, but no, but and you get another year

of college. It's why I'm asking you about the price. I'm asking you. Why is college a fun thing for Cooper Flagg? Like hanging out at Duke? Do you wanna go to like Louisville and Blacksburg and Charlottesville and like all these other ACC places every week or do you wanna play in the NBA? Like I think, you know, it's probably, he's probably having a fun time cause he's in college

but I think it would be more fun to be a professional basketball player. It's also really cool being an NBA player. He's definitely having a fun time in college, but it's not just about which is more fun, being the big man on campus at Duke or being a professional player in the number one overall pick. It's about what is going to play for Washington or Charlotte

going to do to my career? So let me ask you guys a different portion of this because i guess everyone's in agreement while the nba seems like it's fun i'll get new friends uh... but i want to just explore for a moment the idea that uh... whenever i talk to these professionals who have made all the

money they talk about where their regrets are in how it changed from college to the pros in terms of money and responsibility it may be different now because college was no much no money into a lot of them were broke together and and we can romanticize it but you know the christmas is that were terrible once you get to the good christmas when i tell you that this group of people that i've talked to over the years

always say that before it became a business it was a different kind of treasure and it's something i was doing with my friends where then i went to go work with my co-workers would you give for a year to the such as big men on campus it's big man on campus with your friends and you can say make new friends but i'm telling you now you're wearing're wearing a lot of responsibility in the pros and you're not going to get away with the stuff that you were doing in college is the

big man on campus what's that worth to you the dream because if everyone says they want to be a rock star an athlete so that they can you know get fame and and and sex and money. He can have all of that at Duke. Yeah, but he's an 18 year old. It's not like he's finishing up his fourth year and he's choosing to leave a year early. Like he was a mercenary and he went to Duke

and he's gonna turn it down to go to frat parties? Like his dream is to go to the NBA, not hang out with the Duke boys. It's also like two of his teammates are gonna be top what, five to 10 picks anyway. Also they're going to leave, so all the friends that he's hanging out with, that's going to change. And I would imagine he gets away with more at the NBA level.

Like you're talking about all these things, oh you could do and be the big man on campus at Duke. I would imagine the structure of being on a college basketball team is probably even more limiting than it would be playing in the NBA. Also the hubris of somebody who's going to be the number one pick and has been the best player and has been told they're the best player for the last five years of their life. That idea is like, Oh, I'm going to go to Charlotte and I'm going to be the reason why they're good.

I'm going to go to Washington and I'm going to be the reason why we're going to turn it around. That is true. These guys have that ego where they believe they're going to be the reason for the winning. But man, like we were probably saying the same type of stuff and I know injury plays a role But Zion Williamson was supposed to be that guy you're gonna draft a number overall and he's gonna turn your franchise around and it's like He's with an organization that you know has never really done anything and now he's toiling away there And there's still kind of a garbage franchise

But he made a lot more money because he left after being a rookie than getting hurt at Duke. Like, Cooper Flag just got lucky that that ankle injury wasn't a lot worse. If he gets through this March Madness unscathed, this man has to go to the NBA draft because if you risk another potentially big injury like Zion would have had in college,

then you never get that contract. That's what I was gonna say. I mean, Zion escaped it. That shoe thing could have been a disaster for Zion. Why would you risk getting injured in college for $4 million in NIL money when you can get a $12 million guaranteed base salary? Yeah, but we're talking about that

as if the career-ending injuries are a common thing. That doesn't really happen. But it's one less contract, right? Jimmy Butler's a perfect example here of- Well, one less, it's one year away. Right Right but at the end of Jimmy Butler's career here right he's getting one last contract at a certain age. If he were one or two years older maybe he doesn't get that deal he just got with the Warriors because of an extra year of wear and tear. So by entering the league later you're shorting yourself of one last contract. And right now, the contract that they're giving out

to a max player at 35, 36 year old is two years, $120 million. Imagine what that's gonna be when Cooper flag is there 15 years from now. You might be missing out on that last payday because you didn't go for one more year of college where you can make $5 million. It makes no sense.

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He seems like a not nice guy and he's always been a not nice guy. I don't care for him. And I hope he has the day he deserves. Oh. Wow. Let's see. Stugats.

I hope he has the day he deserves. That's how I get people when they're really mean to me. I'm not like, go after yourself. I'm like, I hope you have the day you deserve. I think it's so much like, it's twisting ice. It's a great kind insult, yes. It's beautiful. It's leaving it to the cosmos to sort it out.

That's a less southern bless your heart. This is the Don LeBathardt Show with the StuGards. It doesn't make when we're talking about dollars and cents. This one is so interesting to me because if I ask Hypothetical Person X, hey you're going to have made a hundred million dollars in your life. Would you like to go back and have another year of something that felt more like childhood for seven million dollars, for six million dollars, for would you like another year before the responsibilities? I'd just be curious what the answers are. I know what all your perspectives are. Well you're asking all people who

are retired who already made all of that are. Well, you're asking all people who are retired who already made all of that money, who are longing for a day that they thought was the good old days of when they were in it, probably weren't so happy. Also, like, it's not playing, like, big time college hoops at Duke. It's not something akin to childhood.

It is like a job. You're getting paid significantly less than if you have that actual job in the NBA with a collectively bargained base salary. It's not like, I mean, it's a lot of work. You're going back to college to do a lot of work and for someone who's been the best basketball player in his town and now at his college, he probably wants to play against the best basketball players in the world which play in the NBA.

It's why he was part of all the USA basketball camps this summer and was playing with Steph Curry and LeBron and practicing with them before the Olympics. Duke was a business trip for Cooper Flag. It wasn't like fun college time. I mean, that's awfully absolute. It's a stop on his journey. His goal wasn't to go to Duke and attend it for four years.

But you're doing it absolutely. I don't even disagree with you, but you're making the NBA huge fun at every turn. I'm going to all these cities. I don't think Duke is fun, if I'm gonna be honest with you. Probably not, though. Give me a list of places to go, Duke's not on it. Well, I mean, that's not the definition.

You give me a list of places to go to have fun, Duke is not on that list. I guess what I'm getting at is, Dollywood, if he declares for, and he will, if he declares for the he will if he declares for the NBA draft and then you got the draft lottery at the end of May and the Washington Wizards win that draft lottery no one is sitting down and having just a conversation saying look you would be a year further away from getting that next huge contract but also let's

consider do you want to play somewhere where you're winning 25 games every single season is that going to make you happy? And just as this last point which one do you guys imagine is more fun just curious when you say playing against the best right now the person the lamella ball or cooper flag? It can But he's the guys next year the NBA draft lottery is going to be won by a bad team also like what's the confusion here? He's not gonna be drafted by like the Lakers No, there's a difference between a bad team and like a poorly run team. Utah is a really bad team Danny Ainge knows what he's doing You know if Utah gets the number one overall pick

Cooper flag is likely gonna be in a really good situation if the Wizards gets the number one overall pick, CooperFlag is likely gonna be in a really good situation. If the Wizards get the number one overall pick, he's gonna be in a terrible situation. He keep losing, all of a sudden, that ping pong ball for the Heat. Pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, four percent chance, five percent chance, six percent chance. Ethical tanking, ethical tanking.

Coulda had one but Yama. You can't do that, culture. Let me ask you guys something about changing viewing habits that I have not yet caught up to, and I feel bad about this, that this is still something that surprises me because of my old patterns. When Robert De Niro quietly appears on Netflix

with a new movie, I don't understand a Robert De Niro movie appearing quietly on Netflix. It's getting panned, right? Well, Robert De Niro movie appearing quietly on Netflix. It's getting panned, right? Um, well, Robert De Niro hasn't made anything good in a very long time, and it's why I wanted to ask the shipping container about what their assessment of Robert De Niro is, because the, I'm going to say it's been 15 years since Robert... Well, he's also on a show on Netflix too right now, right? Uh, Robert De Niro wants to work loves to work and I'm not even

criticizing the end of his career because the work has not been very good and and not to his standard as one of the best actors that there's ever been but I don't know how you guys when we talk about Charles Barkley some people don't remember him as a player we've now had enough to your movies that aren't any good that a whole lot of people might not know that De Niro's good. That's the guy from Meet the Fockers, right? That is correct. And Dirty Grandpa. Oh, right. Oh, Dirty Grandpa.

Do you think Robert De Niro would do an extra year at Stella Adler's studio of acting? How do you guys think of Robert De Niro? I think he's cashing checks at this point, if we're being honest. Is he not? I mean, come on, he's 81. He was in a Best Picture nominated film a year ago.

Killers of the Flower Moon. Oh yeah, that's right. He was like the lead. That's true. That's a Scorsese movie. That's respectable. You know what? It is true, but all of you forgot it

when I was talking about it. I didn't, I just brought it up. I think I'm also the only one that probably watched that movie, because it was very long. Yeah, that movie looked long. Yeah, everyone told us not to watch that movie because it was very long. Yeah, that movie looked long. Everyone told us not to watch it because it was too long. It was long. Remember when he tried to kick the guy in The Irishman?

I think that's when I was like, yeah, I'm good, actually. I'll go back and watch it in Godfather 2. Zaslow, you weren't believing Hurley yesterday. Incidentally, just so Florida has empirically what is being rated by the people who do the analytics best the best offense we've seen in the sport in a decade uh... their free throws were a problem yesterday and you con uh... stayed with them all game you can't has been bad this not bad for them

this season and uh... date at hurley has been someone who publicly has shown us more of himself than we've ever seen and he's got jagged edges he's arrogant he will be with he brutal he he will be somebody that can be not like in his pursuit of championships as people watch him and yesterday he leaves the court losing by two and it's not a

graceful exit. I mean he's leaving the floor essentially accusing the referees of cheating. You lost to the number one seed in the region, a team who only behind Duke, everyone else is picking Florida to win the National Championship. You didn't lose because of cheating. I mean this guy, they won the National Championship the last two years winning every game by double figures cheating I mean this guy they won the national championship the last two years winning every game by double figures I mean all the games were I think the closest one was UM where they lost by where they won by 13 that was like the closest game and now when they finally lose he's accusing the the officials of cheating yelling to Baylor I hope they

don't have you the way they have to us and then he gets to the press conference and with the crocodile tears my god he is he is he is a rough watch get out of here he is so unlikable crocodile tears crocodile that means phony tears thank you thank you for the definition can you can you please play the sound of Hurley off the court even though even though Zazz did a pretty good reenactment Does he really hope they don't do that to Baylor like he's thinking of something Oh, he hopes he do their season ended and God I hope Baylor doesn't do that to Baylor. Like he's thinking of himself right now. They just lost their season ended. God, I hope Baylor doesn't have that happen to them. What's gonna happen to Baylor? What are you laughing about, Billy?

I mean, he's right. He's not thinking about Baylor at that moment. God, is Baylor gonna be okay? I hope I, I gotta go tell him. I hope it doesn't happen to them. Get outta here. I like you leaning away from the microphone and just shouting, sort of belching

I don't want to be too loud, that's why. No, but the way you characterized that as how Hurley did it did not quite match the video because in the video he's in a suit and he is walking with his back a little further back than it should be and he's not helping Baylor or nor trying to help Baylor he's just hissing in anger because his team is pretty close and shouldn't have been because they're not as good as florida by by a long shot that was a ten-point underdog they were in that game but when you lean back from the microphone and do

it with the casual arrogance of his arrogance of of of hurley it it's uh... something that made me think of a conversation we were having last week about elon musk and likeability okay uh... who is not who are the people in sports who are universally likable i know seth curry many of you are are tired of the story lines almost so impossibly sweet as if you've grown bored of how impossibly sweet it is.

But when you think of likable people across sports, who gets to be the opposite of Hurley? Because I enjoy, obviously, the coaches. Pete Carroll's of the world are fine, it's nice to be around, but I enjoy these people or hissing monsters of showing you their vanities showing you their arrogance showing you when they're pissed off that they don't care how it looks that you don't like them i don't like nasty people i think it's a pretty easy way for me to

sum up how i feel about dan hurley he comes off as a nasty man he does but he's a champion and usually we like that. We were fine with that too. I mean, he comes off as nasty. He was plenty likable the last two years before this one. Right, so what happened this year? He was kind of a competitive asshole then too, right? Like even when he was winning championships,

most people felt the way that Zazz does right now, which is like, hey, he's a great coach and he's led them to this unbelievable run, capitalizing on, let's be real, a couple of the worst years in college basketball history. But going and winning back-to-back national championships, he just seemed like this kind of jerk toward everybody. But that was okay because it was masked with winning.

You know, they went back-to-back national champions, and then they finally lose. He's crying. Like actually crying on the podium. I actually found that likable. No, it's I found it fake. Crocodile teams. Can you imagine him with a massive megaphone like being the Lakers head coach and what he would be doing there? He'd be an awful NBA coach. He must regret that one. He wouldn't have made it through the first year. No. LeBron would have gotten him out of there. Awful. He missed his window. He'll never be an NBA coach.

Never. I like that. I own that statement. Let's play for everybody the sound of Stugat not knowing what crocodile tears are. When we were at that Jay Wakefield event and a thousand people come out and we see the shipping container and they're on stage and they're like rock stars. You and me both had tears in our eyes. We're like mom and dad of sentiment and it's hard to get you to sentiment, man.

I still want the end. It's almost what I want. But you're right. That was a very emotional moment for us to see those guys running that particular appearance was very, I'm telling you guys, you you were on stage Dan and I were both crying Are you guys aware of this? Crying yeah, like crocodile tears we believe crocodile tears are fake I thought they meant big

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For the first time in 1,102 days, UConn has lost a tournament game. Wow. Zaslow's anger and hostility toward Hurley, can you explain to me when I say to you, and it's your right to make the correction, Hurley was the same person and you may not have liked it, but winning does indeed mask and especially the correlation that we make causation when one of these people is a

jerk and we say well that's why he wins. He's rewarded for it because look at the disciplinarian that he is. But I don't think that those are insincere tears. I think that man cares so obsessive compulsive deeply that of course he would break emotionally and wouldn't even want people to see that I don't think because of whatever it is his guards are about needing to be leader guy. I mean, wouldn't you think that the real person is the one who is caught candidly coming off the floor as opposed to the guy who knows I'm about to get in front of media and cameras,

okay, this is what I wanna say. I believe the tears. What I don't believe is that he said he'll never love a team as much as he loved this team. When you love a team that won the national championship. He just won back to back championships. Yeah, he's a liar. That one, come on.

To Zaslo's point, when he didn't know the camera was on, he was behaving like a spoiled brat, screaming and cursing. And then when he knew the camera was gonna be on and he had time to compose himself, all of a sudden, he's crying and he's, I love everybody so much, I'm this great leader. I hope Baylor doesn't get screwed like we did. You know what that was?

Salesman, he turned the salesman and we talked about it last week. All of a sudden you're a head coach, you're a CEO, you're a salesman. You know what, this guy cares about his team. They lost, but he cares. All of a sudden I'm gonna commit to Yukon. And he cares about Baylor,

because he's worried that they're gonna get screwed like they did. I feel like we're saying that Dan Hurley's a better actor than Robert De Niro. Wow. Zaslow leaned back from the microphone and shouted it like a man at a bar, a bar he sort of owns,

casually being arrogant around others. Just, I hope they don't bleep you! The way they, they bleeped us! Just like loud enough for the refs to hear, he wasn't really doing it for us or the cameras, right? It was just, the refs were somewhere behind him. Well, no, he also could be doing it because he wants some NIL transfers,

you know what I mean? Like in a transfer portal situation, there's someone he's eyeing on bail, like, hey, good luck out there, I hope they don't screw you, like, you know, they screwed us, and then off season comes, and all of a sudden he's talking to them, he's like, I got two million dollars for you, if you want, they screwed us and then offseason comes and all of a sudden he's talking He was like I got two million dollars for you If you want remember when I was worried about you in the tournament like oh, yeah coach you cared so much about me boom

Remember I was the coach who when our game ended our season ended. We're no longer national champions first thing I thought of was let me go seek out bit. Let me where's Baylor? I gotta let them know I hope you don't get screwed like we did Let me, where's Baylor? I gotta let them know. I hope you don't get squirted like we did. There are many unusual things about the mysterious and magical Zaslo. Let me choose one.

Are you still someone who eats donuts that don't have sugar on them? I don't eat things in my hands that get messy. That's what it boils down to. Is he not a wings guy? No, no ribs. And no ribs, no. All over the face, it's not worth it.

Look, like an idiot. Don't do it. No food that you would hold with your hand. That will make me messy, like I'll eat pizza, okay? That'll get you messy, though. You can get a saucy pie. You can get messy, what are you, two years old? You can get a saucy pie all of a sudden,

you got a little schmucks. No, I'm an adult. I could eat pizza without getting messy. But the ribs, the wings, it's not worth it. They't taste good enough for for the cleanup process that takes place. That's insane. You are crazy We have both entered the spectrum here because Jess doesn't eat certain things with like a fork and knife by my understanding I just eat everything with my hands Good for you. Donuts though donuts if it has sugar on it. You're not eating it. It's too messy It's too messy the icing

I don't do that either. Yeah, icing's overrated man. I don't need icing My glaze give me I love my favorite donut. Okay, what you're getting is my go-to donut every time I go to Duncan Give me that plane stick