The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Guy Don't Wanna Learn, Guy Don't Wanna Earn

Episode Date: January 3, 2024

Chris Cote disrespected his relationship with his father at the end of the Local Hour, and Greg is feeling legitimately sensitive about it. Then, Greg has a Top 6 List of Teams That Can Win the Super Bowl that might be a Top 5 list with 2 OLIs and maybe a ROLI. Plus, Travis Kelce's management team has BEEN on a mission to make him a star, and Greg is desperate for clicks. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. Welcome to the big sui! Presented by Giraffe King. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables

to grab somebody's fries, if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. Billy, would you please help me navigate something between the Codies because I love their relationship. I love the tension in their relationship, the sparks in their relationship. It reminds me of what I was doing with my father on television. But my father has never been as mad at me

as Greg Cody routinely gets at his son. And so I believe... I guess his son's a disrespectful prick. Well said, yep. The Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody. With. Fine. I tell Greg Cody all the time,

leaving segments when he is Pist at his prick of a son. I Tell him all the time just got done saying it to him a break ago Greg when your son does that stuff it is a winning position for you and Greg Cody's response in the eating area was Kim. Well, you're paraphrasing. I didn't exactly say that. What'd you say? Kim prick. No, I was making more entertaining. I did. I know what I explained was that he has the same persona on my podcast and 90% of the negative comments we get and we don't

get a lot. 90% of them are Chris, lay off your dad or let your dad talk or quit interrupting your dad. That's what people don't like about my podcast. He continues to do it. I don't know whether that's smart or not. In this case, the thing that got me mad was the baseball ballot thing. Okay. Purely as a courtesy, do I do that privately every year where I give both of my sons a copy

of the ballot and invite them to fill it up? You mentioned all this. We got to cover the ground again. Okay, and your stuff. For those just joining us. You were technically a new out. No, but what a great dad. I mean, seriously.

Thank you. I wish I had a dad that had a Hall of fame voting would ask me right and and parenthetically neither of my sons returned their ballot okay so I'm never gonna do that again but you know it's it's fine you know you can't do that the way you just did it which is never again stumble around. It's fine. It's clearly not fine. There's disappointment in his voice, Dan.

He clearly isn't happy with the situation that's going on here. He extends an olive branch. His son comes on the air, threatens the murder Santa Claus yesterday. Like, there's a lot going on here. But Greg, I will tell you this. You think the audience doesn't like it, and I'm telling you, when so is Dan, they do like it. They'll get mad at Christopher,

but they like that tiny. That's a winning position for you. Yeah, and what I do tell people on the air all the time, because I believe this, his lack of disrespect for me is on air stick. Lack of disrespect? Or lack of respect for me is on air stick. I think in real life, he does respect me.

I have no doubt that in real life, he loves me. So, you know, it can be frustrating at times, but I don't, I know where his heart is. You got to feel for Greg because, I mean, these two shared in Chris's childhood, baseball, as a love, something that Greg, I mean, you were going out to his baseball games as an announcer when he was in high school. I mean you were going out to his baseball games as an

announcer when he was in high school I mean truly bonding over this from a young age and now at this point when the two of you've been working together for so long you know you've obviously been in Chris's life his entire life turned him into the man that he is and now he's going to disrespect you on the air over something that you've bonded over since his childhood I mean it is it's disrespectful to show business baby it's show. I mean, it is. It's disrespectful. It's good business, baby. It's show business.

I'll take it one step further. Greg's not getting enough credit for being a great father to Christopher because what's going on here is you guys are reassuring him saying, Greg, this is great for you. This is great for you. And Greg, the egoless person that he has says, I don't care about how this comes off for me. I care how this comes off for me. I care how this comes off for Christopher, and it is poorly.

It comes off poorly for Christopher, the way that he treats me. And I don't wanna see my son get dragged by the masses for the disrespect that he shows me. Show business or not. I know the real boy that he is, and I want him to be that boy on air. I don't want him to come out here

and take all of these criticisms on my behalf. Let them criticize me, not my son. That's what Greg's saying. Well, listen, you have to remember when the Marlins were born, when the Marlins played their very first game, Charlie Huff on the Mount, Christopher was five going on six.

I was there. I thought, what a great gift the Marlins are to my son. He's going to grow up loving baseball. And then Samson arrived. And so an extension of that is me having the courtesy to show him my Hall of Fame ballad every year to fill out, thinking he might enjoy doing it. Apparently he doesn't because he didn't return it this year. But still. So that's just a background. But it's fine, as you said, it's fine. It's not something you're holding onto. I'm pretending it's fine.

Yeah, I don't know. Put it on the pole, please, Ju-Ju-Ju-at, Levitard Show, is Chris a good boy. The thing that I wish to discuss, as it relates to them, Mr. Gants, because this stuff is all complicated. Wait a second, and I'm sorry to cut you off. You send him the ballot, he does it, send it back,

and I'm yearning for a dad, he was a hall of fame vote, and you send them to me next year. Well, if you really want the nuts and bolts in this, for years, we have sent it back, and like he said, he doesn't listen to us. So it's like, what are we doing this for? Well, if I began to listen to someone else's ballot, that might be a problem with the BBWAA.

I wanna make it clear, I fill out my own ballot, but I don't think it's against the rules to invite my baseball loving sons to have their opinion. I cannot tell you that anyone on earth enjoys saying BBWAA more than this old time, this old time sportswriter. Oh yeah that's in a big font on my on my gravestone. Here's what's funny about everything that's happening here. Greg Cody takes immense pride as far as I can tell in only two things in the world. His BBWA Hall a hall of fame vote and being a father,

the fact that he turned down the opportunity to beast to gods on this show because he didn't want to miss his son's high school baseball game and see that sharp liner to write against Matt Lato's for a seven and nine plantation. The paladins have opened a six pack. That's right. It wasn't a sharp liner, by the way. You know, it was a sharp liner. Well, I remember it is sort of a little blooper. That it lands right behind the face.

Nuckler. Okay. It's offensive. But Greg Cote gets legitimately mad at his son because now you're doing both of the things that upset your father. You're respecting neither his Hall of Fame vote, which is a treasure, which he got when I lost mine for selling it to death.

He had nothing to do with it. I got it because I had been 10 years covering the Marlins, which earned me a big deal. He takes a mens pride in opening day. He takes a mens pride in opening day. He takes a mens pride in opening day. Going to opening day. Paul of Faith, vote. And also in being your dad

and as he spent the last five years coughing at a microphone to remind us all in general about sickness and mortality. Correct. The sentiment of, hey kids, wanna share this common ground with us? Look at this place where I'm proud. Come be my son and enjoy pride in your father.

He was 14 and two straight up this week and his 12 and four against the spread. The pride that your father takes in these things, come share them with him. And then Chris Cody wanders over and you know does what kids do to their dead when they become teenagers are older Hey, these things that you want respected. I don't really respect the world. I know I pretend that I respect them. I don't want to undercut him anymore than I already have so I'm just not going to say anything. I don't want to undercut him anymore than I already have so I'm just not gonna say anything. Well, that's good for content. That's an excellent decision to make in that seat. But if you want to ask him something, ask him how many baseball games he's watched the last couple seasons. Well, this is the thing. I happen to know this, well, you'll answer, but you will answer in a way that's favorable to the BBWA,

because you're afraid of having your vote strip, because your kids know more about baseball than you do. Yeah, no, that's not true. Hmm. Neither my fear nor the fact that they know more about baseball than I do. You don't think your kids know more about baseball than you do? No, I'm not kidding me. I'm not kidding me. Let's go, Marlon's quiz. No, I'm not kidding.

I'm telling you right now. His favorite thing to say is, that's what he says. We start asking questions. I'm not going to take a quiz. That's right. I want to take the quiz. I'll have you guys. Not a person on Earth has made it to the Hall of Fame

because of a Wednesday game against the pirates. Not a one. Billing those. How many games, Greg? Last two years. Have you watched? Last two years? Yeah.

Well, I don't watch baseball games from front of action. Yeah, same. I know some at them. I can't watch a 9-in-game. I just can't. Tim Kerchens has the same thing. Sitting at home. How many of you been to the last five years?

To cover? I would say I've been to, I probably average about seven to ten a game. Yeah, that's enough. Seven to ten a year? Yeah, I think I'm a game. Jeremy just spit out his coffin, my gosh. Find someone covering the game.

Greg, I was on your side. Seven to ten a year? No, false. How about the seven to ten in this state? He's been to that new state. Seven to ten a year. No, how about the seven to ten in this state? He's been to that new Seven ten innings and no find some find someone who goes to seven to ten dolphins home games a year right a Reminder that Greg Cody is very careful about getting his facts straight when he talks into a microphone. I'm guessing You're you're lying is what you're doing

That's not guessing you're making it look there was no chance we were going to get a real answer that question that wasn't inflated there was zero percent chance okay i'm going to tell you the truth i want the whole truth and nothing but i will tell you the truth when this is a new and we're moved on the left of the show with the stugas gambelon by draft keens folks whether you're hosting a game day, a movie night, Dejorno knows that planning a watch party on a budget isn't easy. You need the perfect setting, the perfect squad, the perfect eats, and luckily you're a

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And he is insistent that the dolphins are one of them. He will not backtrack from that position. Stugots and I were arguing during the break about whether or not anyone has said this season that the Dallas Cowboys are the best team in the NFL. Stugots looked up some stats of Dallas playing San Francisco and Buffalo and losing by a combined score of 72 to 10. Uh, 73 to 20, I believe that's a fine. And what I said was listen, after they beat Philadelphia and they were coming to play Miami because they never beat the Eagles.

They beat them. They beat them good. Everyone said for that one week, then one week the Cowboys, they never beat the Eagles. They beat them, they beat them good. Everyone said for that one week, Dan, one week, the Cowboys, best team in the NFL. Correct, yep. That's correct. I'm gonna tell you right now, just real quick, so people can save time thinking about it.

The Super Bowl winner very likely will be Baltimore or San Francisco. Oh, I'm gonna go on, great. We gotta do a top five list with an OLI. Okay. So start with your OLI. When he's out six. But when we were doing it, the thing is when I was asking him, we turned on the microphones

and he was discombobulated because he said there were only six and then named four. He also just spoiled one and two. I didn't hear it. I made a mistake. I'm kidding. It's all that matters. This feels like a bunch of commoners telling Leonardo da Vinci how to paint. This is absurd.

Thank you, Billy. All right, what a great analogy. So name the other four. Now, let's just do it correctly. Then, oh, well, I, then, the six teams that can win the Super Bowl according to Greg Cody outside looking in. I don't know if this should be outside looking in

on the six or whether this is number six. This should be seven. All right, thank you. But there's a tie at one so things are confusing. Okay. Yes, there are Am I going? Which is I know it's a favorite of yours. I know that that's where you want us to live Confused not well look at him now. He's writing it down and as I told you This is what you guys ask for and he says am I going seven or six? It's not what I ask for I did ask for and he says am I going seven or six? It's not what I ask for. I did ask for it. Thank you.

But what I asked him is before we started the segment. I didn't ask for any of this. I didn't ask for any of this. I did. That is correct. That's what happened. Yeah. But OK, but Smetty, you and Greg Cody,

we should not live perpetually in the service of your judgments At least in part because if he's if he's your if he's your ally Jess and you know it It's a gag Greg's right. Thank you Back roast Gross Betty, thank anything all right. You you're gonna start with seven or six. Let's have two OLLIs. Oh wow, eights. Yeah, no, no, seven.

Cause it's a top five. You said six. Well, that's one OLLI. If you have a tie for one, you can just have number five. You guys, I hate you guys so much. All of you. Should we go back to playoff permutations in the NFC? No, they don't feel like we got to those enough this year.

Why would you prefer Ciflis or gonorrhea, Dan? Which one? Which one would you rather have? Definitely gonorrhea. What about all that love stuff you were talking about with Reese Davis? Yes, that was him who said, oh. Just remember, Greg, if there's two ones,

there's no number two. Trust me, you don't have a clap. All right, I won one through five with two OLS. Okay. So now five teams, okay. No, that would be seven. Okay, yeah. But five with two OLS. Okay, can we do that now five teams? Okay, no, that would be seven Okay, yeah, but five teams have a chance Yes, correct. Okay, why that's 16 times a chance? No, five have a chance right with two OLS on the periphery You said before the segment started I win. Oh the rare top seven. I win. Oh, it's not a top seven.

He win. Oh, yeah. He's changed. What is win. Oh, what? What? What? Win old men's he's like sculpting. He's sculpting his list. But this is the problem with it. He said before the segment that he had six teams. And then I asked him, what were they? And he can only come up with four. And now he can only come up with five. He doesn't have 16 of resources since then. It seems like he has seven. I do.

I have how many times can I make this clear? I have a top five and a two team OLI. Got it. That's it. But you said before the segment that there were six teams that he win the semantics. He wins. It's semantics, man.

We know an end. Right. So in the in the last 90 seconds, one of the teams fell out of the playoffs and had their season ended. Also, if you don't get to it soon, he may win. Oh, again, Dan. So we're ready. I could. You ready? We get that big band sound, the big brassy sound. Oh, well, I, oh, well, I Detroit and Kansas City Wow You didn't have the sound

In a cadence that allows us one after the other number five Dallas Number four Buffalo Number three, Miami has the Dolphin. Number two, San Francisco. Obviously it's never. And number one, Baltimore.

Eagles have no shot. No, no, they just missed. There's a lot of good teams. So the dolphins have a shot, but not the Ecos. The Buffalo's number four, even though they might not even make it in. Correct, because if they do make it in watch out. Yeah. And what is the distinction or difference that you're making between Detroit and Miami.

I think Detroit has an overrated defense. I think Miami's got a better deep and again I grant you I'm coming off a 56 point game blah blah blah and they have injuries and they have injuries. I don't know why you'd believe in the dolphins anymore than Detroit. Those seem about the same. You think golf is good as a tool? I don't. I think there are offensive coordinators about to make Bella check money 15 million dollars a year because of what they've made of

that all. You think they have a tiry kill I don't. I mean they kind of do they kind of do yes. Okay. You think they have you think they have a running back who scored 21 touchdowns? They've got a good running back. Like I said, didn't play last game. I understand that.

No, Detroit's good, but you got to earn. You got to be there. How about the brands? That doesn't mean anything. Yeah, it does. What does that mean is analysis? You've got to earn. You've got to be there.

Like you peed her down. You said, look, you peed, I was listening. I've been saying that my entire life, you got to want to earn. You got to earn. You've got to learn. life you got to want to earn you got to earn learn you got to want to earn I'm Been saying that there you got to want to learn got to want to earn listen Detroit made my oh LA I'm not oh Eli. I'm not just disrespecting Detroit. I am disrespecting Cleveland Because they don't have a quarterback who's capable of

Winning a lot in the playoffs. He won a super bowl because they don't have a quarterback who's capable of winning a lot in the playoffs. He won a Super Bowl. Like Flacco. You really got check rate. Do you realize it's like watching? No, no. In fairness, that's everyone's response. When you're like, Joe Flacco's a Super Bowl winner.

Like Flacco was a passer. But he said he can't win in the playoffs. It's a great dismissal. I honestly agree with my dad there make a lot of we do this for it's like a one in the playoffs you can't say that the guy who won the super cold can't win in the

playoff trend dofer his team won in the playoffs okay he's jose he continues to be joe flacco i'm just saying but you know they were just outside that have been eight gotta want to Exactly not Philadelphia huh? Oh, oh, oh, oh, I Rear are roly car oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Right, but you have the chiefs with a chance to win the Super Bowl. I have them as my sixth team. So You know take that for what it's worth. I don't that to me Kansas City in Philadelphia have been the two big disappointments this year Hmm keeping in mind Philly was once ten and one and other taking a crap

Public crap Greg I think they're 11 and three or that No, they've lost 11 and five x 11 and five. Yes. So they went to the Super Bowl a year ago So they're one and four they've lost four the last five. Yeah, I get that I get that and hurts us at a pretty good year. Yeah, but their defense has not been really good. Mm-hmm So I just don't give them a big chance so the dolphins have a better chance than the team that went to the Super Bowl a year ago Yeah, 100% think I'm with you. Yeah, I like what Greg did there though, because it does sort of feel like the college football play off a little bit. The reason you have the dolphins at three, all right, because they lost to the number

one. So it's okay. They lost to the best team in the Raven. So why are we going to lose faith? Quality loss. Quality losses. Everyone loves a quality loss. And other than losing to Tennessee at home, which was a complete aberration, their other

losses have been quality. And there were coming off a quality win before that. So they got the quality win over the Cowboys and then the quality lost to back it up. I mean, nothing better than that. The dolphins could also have an easy path to the AFC championship game. Then you only need to win one game. But that's why Greg, that's why Greg is saying this week's game is so important. Yeah.

Perhaps the most one game in dolphin history. Yes. Because if they don't win this game, they're not going on the road and they're not getting to the AFC championship game. Right. That's that your thought. Yeah. And that's the way I judge this team.

I think the season has been that good. And I think to an Tireka been magical. And I think if you don't reach the AFC championship game, it's a disappointment. If they win one playoff game and then lose, I don't see that that's all that they could have been you know what do you mean I mean they have to get to the ABC championship for this to be a good season they have to get to the AFC championship for me for me if they win a

playoff game we're making we're taking a step in the right there it's progress like I'm with you one playoff win and a loss I'm That's a loser mentality. I'm just saying, we're trying to... That's a huge discipline. We're trying to move this way. We haven't won a playoff game barely in my lifetime. Okay, if we win a playoff game, that'll be something. Right. If not not win.

That's the thing. We should play that game in the next segment. Oh, I'd like to play that game. This should be the dolphins year though, right? I mean, this is the best chance they've had at winning a Super Bowl in 25 years. Yes, correct. Yeah. Longer.

This is a new, I don't improve down. Lebatar show with the Stugatz. Gamble on by draftkins. Don Lebatard. Were you guys building out the a rod bathroom of your imaginations? Is that what I heard you discussing during the break? Towels with an A on them. You know, the thing you slide the toilet paper on that's a baseball bat.

Hey, like that. Stugats. You think he actually calls it the throne? Probably does. It's an actual throne. Yeah, an actual throne. There's gotta be a full length mirror in there somewhere. I imagine somewhere in his house he has a replica of David but with his head on it. as a replica of David, but with his head on it. This is the Don Lebertar Show with the Stugats. I would urge you if you're interested in such things, and I know the NFL has been obsessed with Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift to read an article in The New York Times that explains how Travis Kelsey's management team since he was in college has worked with him and toward the objective of making him as famous as the rock. How orchestrated it has been, though they take great pains to exclude the

Taylor Swift part of it from the article, but how orchestrated his seven commercials this year have been because he is teetering on the line between hugely popular and enough with Travis Kelsey already because he's so ubiquitous. And it has been orchestrated in a way that I was a little bit surprised, perhaps I should not have been, okay,

that he has four agents and has added creative artist agency, a different agency because he wants to get into film. He's got a team around him that is substantive. It's not a small thing. His team is a creative strategist. It's a community outreach coordinator. It's a Los Angeles-based publicist.

Four agents is unusual, Stu Gotts. It is, but when you're trying to build a career after your football career and your Travis Kelsey, who's a massive star and has become an even bigger star, it kind of makes sense. I do find it funny that that team is now concerned about overexposure and the fact that America might start, they might be starting to hate Travis Kelsey.

Like to me, you didn't see that coming, you're his team. You didn't see that coming three months ago. I tried to tell you three months ago. Isn't every mission statement for a marketing team to make them as famous as possible? Like, this seems pretty obvious. His marketing team wants to be famous. It's a big team is my point,

and they've been successful in ways that are surprising. Tight ends don't get seven commercials before Taylor Swift. And I think it's also like, there's a difference between trying to make your client as famous as they can be, and having the aspirations of one of the most famous people then outside of your sport, because not everybody is as charismatic as Travis Kelsey.

Like when he hosted S&L, it was funny. He's a funny guy. Like he had the ability from a younger age to have those types of aspirations and then becoming as successful as he was on the field. And now, I mean, in this article that you mentioned, Dan, they said game shows are something they would consider. Like this guy wants to kind of conquer and draft it.

And our game show host draft. I don't think he was drafted either. He was Tony. Neither was Tony Riali, which surprised me. I remember not that long ago on one of these shows, I'm gonna say it's Netflix, a Space Force show with Steve Carell. Was it with Steve Carell?

Yeah, Steve Carell. Now, but I don't know if that's the one that Travis Kelsey was in. There was another space show that I was surprised because it was my first indoctrination to, oh, Travis Kelsey wants some things that don't have anything to do with football. He was on Moonbase 8. That's the show. Moon base eight.

With John C. Riley and Fred Armason. Yes, and I was surprised. You watched that. Well, I saw that episode and I'm like there's Travis Kelsey on the moon. Didn't expect to see him there, but I also didn't expect to see him in a show about going to the moon. But this was before this all exploded in a way that makes him one of the signature personalities, not just in that sport, not just in sports. They were trying to make him as famous as the rock and he might not be there yet, but he's around there. Like in terms of most famous people inside or outside of sports right now, if you're

Taylor Swift adjacent, this way you get to be as famous as anybody who's walking on this side of the world. Is he more famous than Patrick Mahomes? Is he the most famous guy on his team? I think he might be. He's got Lamar Jackson doesn't have any of those commercials. Right. The guys who get those commercials are the quarterbacks and just some of the quarterbacks. Lamar Jackson by our reports also doesn't have a team of people that are trying to get in those commercials. So that is part of it as well.

That's correct, but my point in sending you to the New York Times article is if you're cynical about this, go look at how orchestrated it actually was because that team has achieved what it wished to achieve almost exactly. What's kind of amazing about that though is that the biggest thing that's launched him into this extra level of superstardom was just like a friendship bracelet joke made about Taylor Swift on a podcast.

And then that turned into them meeting each other and them dating, which is has really taken him to another level. He was already, I guess, you know, by that construction, famous enough to be able to enter that stratosphere, but really the thing that's taken off wasn't constructed at all. It was just a date that's turned into a relationship. Listen, I try not to be overly cynical because I think cynicism is corrosive, but in this case if you're a football player Who is evidently held bent on becoming a big star beyond football one of the Best pathways to that is to have Taylor Swift as your girlfriend. Okay. That's a very obvious thing to say

But this was all orchestrated before that was a possibility. Okay, but without that happening, this wouldn't be where he was at. Well, I think the seven commercials and the moon show were before Taylor Swift, like he was at a six episode run that moon show. Not exactly in the beginning, sir. You can't count.

There were so many shows in 2020 that didn't last. This could also just be a guy who compared to Lamar Jackson gets a quarter of his contract. Kelsey's contract is for $57 million. Lamar Jackson's getting $200 million. You can make the all guaranteed. Lamar Jackson doesn't, not that Kelsey needs it, but comparatively, he's trying to just smack, he could just be trying to maximize money.

This could just be all about money. He wants to be famous, that's fine. How would he convince Taylor Swift to like him back in this like cynical world view i'm just curious what's in it for Taylor to like do this for i don't know i'm just saying bamboozle he put like a love spell on her look prior to here pride and i had that article prior to hearing how he'll bend he is to be a big star i had no cynicism about that all with that though just explain as if you wouldn't want that as if you wouldn't do the same thing as

if you you've said you want to be president of the United States just so you can have a staff. That's a thing that's a thing that you've said. Well, why you a staff would you date Taylor? No, I don't mean a staff. I mean, like people like B.A.s. Yes, that again, Billy. Didn't even hear you. I heard what you said. I'd prefer he not answer that. Thank you. I was grateful that he didn't answer it. I was hoping it would escape without being answered. I doubled that.

Yes, to God's always there for me in ways that hurt and aren't useful. Anyway, I love you too. I want to gandalf staff. I'll become president to get one of those. There you go. Why are you judging him for wanting to be famous? What's wrong with wanting to be famous, especially if that's the thing that makes you popular these days with young people and makes you have a cultural reference

Relevance you have Elon Musk and Zuckerberg trying desperately to buy popularity in fame. Right. I have nothing against Travis Kelsey I'm not I'm not claiming that his relationship with With Taylor Swift is designed to make him more famous. It makes you wonder It makes you wonder. It makes me wonder. Doesn't mean it has to make you wonder. It doesn't make me wonder It's important that you think about these things at your age The love life like sticking our nose in the love life of Travis Kelsey people are asking that question and it's just real love is this a trial that's that's fine they've been asking it for many weeks i'm just sending you to an article that is pre it is pre the thought

of you know the best way to get famous make it a giant pop star that you're dating. Yes. But Greg's a journalist. Skepticism's a tenant of journalism, isn't it? It is. That's a fair comment. Well, I wanted to talk about something. Thank you, Billy, because I've got different between skepticism and cynicism. What is the difference, Greg? Just like genuinely asking. I think for you, for me, skepticism is, is your political party is a healthy questioning of something. Synthesis is sort of the preconceived belief that something is wrong, that, you know,

cynicism is just an exaggerated form of skepticism for me. Skepticism has a K. That too. Yeah. That's it. Well, so does cynic, I'm just kidding. I don't, someone's gonna take that series. Whatever. Go ahead and go to the penalty box.

Oh wow, back row, Smitty. I got to finish the cross for that anyways. Oh. The thing that I wanted to discuss with Greg Cody as he wants to be a healthy skeptic and Cinnick. Well healthy. In the name of journalism, is he is desperately obsessed with whatever it is he needs to write

that will get clicks and they are measuring the clicks. And so when he writes about the panthers and it does not get clicks and he writes about the orange bowl and it does get clicks. That doesn't seem like journalists intimate. That doesn't seem like healthy journalistic tenants. That seems like the death of writing and journalism as I know it. And when you say that I'm desperate for clicks, you could not be more wrong. My company is desperate for clicks.

My boss is desperate for clicks. My boss is desperate for clicks. I resist that notion, but it comes up when I'm chided for not covering more marlins games than I do. Because the reality is this, if I write about the marlins or the panthers, it does very low traffic. If I write about the dolphins or the heat or hurricanes football or lately intermiami because of messy, it does very good traffic. If I write about the dolphins or the heat or hurricanes football or lately intermiami because of messy, it does very good traffic. So the temptation is to write about nothing but the top draw teams. However, I just wrote an obituary column in farewell to Jim

Martz, one of my mentors at the Harold who hired me at the Harold. I knew it was not gonna do much readership. It's been very low on clicks, I'm sad to say, but I knew that and I wrote it anyway because I wanted to and because I thought Jim Martz deserved a column at the paper he worked for 20 years. So to an extent, I adhere to clicks. I want clicks, don't get that wrong.

But I will write about stuff that I know is gonna do low traffic because I should. Okay, I cover the Panthers Home Opener because I should. I cover the Marlins Home Opener because I should. Do I cover a lot of their games? No, but I try to work a balance. A lot of Lebitard show articles for someone who doesn't care about clicks. That's exactly right. The biggest story of your life is betraying me on my engagement.

That's not, but again, you're... It got the most clicks. Did it? No, it did not. It did, what? No, it did not. I don't believe it did. I don't have to check the click counter.

Definitely got a five right. Let's show. Okay, let's be perfectly honest. Yes, I'm gonna write about stuff that I know is gonna get a lot of clicks, but not to a fault, not to the elimination. You betrayed me on my engagement. That's true, yeah.

It did get a lot of clicks. What's wrong with that? I told the truth. Maybe I shouldn't have written it. I wasn't lying. It did get a lot of clicks. What's wrong with that? I told the truth.

Maybe I shouldn't have written it. I wasn't lying.