The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: He's The Ghost Of Christmas Past

Episode Date: July 31, 2024

David Samson joins the show to discuss the Marlins trading Jazz Chisholm Jr. to the Yankees and if Marlins fans are hurt anymore by seeing their favorite players traded year in and year out. Plus, InterMiami is raising their ticket pricing... again. The fans voice in sports has more power than they think it does. The monetary compensation for the Olympic athletes for the US is - troubling to say the least. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to DraftKings Network. Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries

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Is there heartbreak? Well, I'll tell you what, you say we're gonna bring David Sampson in here from nothing personal, but I will tell you that after saying earlier this week that when the Marlins made that trade, my initial feeling was good for Jazz, he'll get to play with another team. When I saw him strutting around third base, electricity in the ballpark, pimping out the trot, I felt bad. Like I felt bad for South Florida seeing him in a Yankee uniform.

You can't control how you feel in that moment i was surprised that it's how i felt on surprise you felt that way because i don't think jazz has done enough and i don't know if it's care enough about him if he goes somewhere else and wins a world series with the yankees i don't think anyone's gonna care like it for me sam darnold with the jets drafted he is now with the starting quarterback in minnesota if he turns into a great quarterback in minnesota if he turns into a great quarterback

in minnesota that is a reason to be upset like that's a reason to be sick to your stomach because you had a visit yet he went to minnesota he turned into a great player i don't think anyone cares about jazz chism down here that's not true all come on you think people he has some sort of attachment to the city where people care that Jazz is doing it in New York? Nuts.

People who care about the Marlins. What do you mean? What do you think, Sampson? What are your thoughts here? I rooted against every single player I ever traded. And I wanted them to get off to cold starts. I wanted to be proven right as quickly as possible. And believe me, the Marlins brass,

as they watch what Jazz has done, they'll rationalize it by saying it's only a few games and they'd be correct. Overreaction is exactly what you're doing, but the stat is the stat, but it's not what you wanna see. You wanna see your pitchers get rocked and you wanna see your position players go into a slump,

especially with what the Marlins did yesterday, which I believe is great for the franchise. And I never had the guts to do what they did, all what you want to see. Not what you want to see me of doing. And believe me, we did a bunch of redos yesterday, really was one of the great one day redo's in the history of a franchise that's had a lot of days. Stugats, why would you think that Marlins

fans, Jazz Chisholm is not only their biggest name player, was their biggest name player, but he's the only national star that they had. Like he's the only thing that they had that had personality and behind first of all david is speaking from a president of a major league baseball team standpoint so of course when he made a trade he would lose for himself to win that trade doesn't want the player to perform well i understand that i just don't think marlin fit he was a traded to philadelphia it's not atlanta it's not Atlanta. It's not the Mets. He's in the American League playing for the Yankees. And I don't think he did enough down here for

Marlin fans to be glued to their television, sick to their stomach because he's hitting home runs in the Bronx. It can just hurt. It doesn't have to be glued to television, sick to stomach. I like jazz, but I'm in the grand scheme of Marlin fire sales. I'm with Stu Gotz. This one doesn't even like make the medal stand. This is like, like we traded away Ozuna, Yelich and Stan, we traded away Gary Sheffield. Like this is nothing compared to those. And I'd like to see what David has to think about this.

The only thing is because he's young, if he does turn out to fill his potential somewhere else, could that have happened here? But if he turns out to just be maybe a one, two time All-Star, has a nice little career there with the Yankees, I don't think anybody in Miami or South Florida really cares about him. Not just young though, fun and interesting too.

Like it's not just young. He's average, Dan. I know you're excited about him because he was on the front of the show. That was all Jeter doing that. All of the talk of Jeter being his idol and it was all ridiculousness. Jazz needed to be traded off this team and the fact that he was given to the Yankees, whatever happens with the Yankees is fine. He's not the star. He's not the center of attention. He's gotten off to a good start and

that's going to maybe give him the false sense that he's the center of some amount of attention. But wait till he goes one for 13 in New York. In Miami, it gets ignored with one camera. In New York, you're on the back page of the post. So be careful what you wish for. Dave, you're saying he is average, and so far numerically, if this is the player that he is, and he's been injured

Then you will not be wrong on that But I'm not wrong when I say rare is the player that has that kind of power at that size Rare is the player that has the skill set that this person does he can grow his his Potential is bigger than his production has been thus far. And I believe that he can be a, an above average player. He is not an average baseball player. You're, you're just wrong. You've described hundreds and thousands of players who didn't live up to what

their potential could be, what they were scouted to be. They had the body to be better. It's just what you're saying. It's it's full of emotion. I get it. You're emotional. You cannot tell me I'm wrong in that amount of pop at that size. I am not wrong about that.

And the players voted him the most overrated player in major leagues in the major leagues, think about that. The players voted because of the amount of attention he's gotten while playing for the Marlins because he's average. He is his, he has been his production so far has been that, but of attention he's gotten while playing for the marlin because he's average he is his he has been his production so far has been that but i believe he's going to be better than that and i believe when he gets a chance to do it in a place that he's enthusiastic about playing at outside of injuries that he will be better than that i'm not arguing with you that the production

hasn't lived up to the hype. I'm not arguing that part. Five dollars. Four? Tone. Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. Over jazz. I mean, I can't believe the hill you're going to die on is the jazz chism hill. You and Billy. It's staggering.

The fact that you don't really have any discretion when it comes to your hills anymore. You and Billy really care about this franchise and I kind of recognize being the lone angry voice like why isn't anyone caring as much as I do and I think that's where you're at with the Marlins. I mean they were they were blacked out here in the market on a major carrier for most of the season. That goes understated. And most people were like, it's fine, better off that. And they were in last place. Oh but but they just. They didn't break up. This wasn't me trading away great players.

This was a team trading away last place players. Let's not exaggerate what went on yesterday. Yeah, and I think my detachment from the Marlins was exactly what Mike said. It was them not being on TV. I'm not going out of my way paying extra to watch them. That was a detachment, as far as I'm concerned, as a fan while they were doing good because

I couldn't see them. You guys can be detached all you want about the fact that they've killed baseball down here so thoroughly that Chris Cody is like, yeah, I'll take a beating. It's not as bad as all the other beatings I've taken. I'll take this beating. This beating seems like it hurts less because it's not my entire outfield. But we are a last place team, Dan. What are they building around here?

Why keep them? Like, if we were in contention, I would agree with you, but it's just, there's like Tanner Scott, Arise, and Jazz Chisholm, it's just like, yeah, fine. It's a lone thing that I miss about being a Browns fan, is that nothing can break me. I've seen it all. Exactly.

Nothing can hurt me worse. Achilles, four plays in. What do you think of the trade deadline movement in general, David? I love it. Listen, when, when they changed from two deadlines to one, here's a little nugget for you, there's no August deadline anymore. So this is the final deadline. What your roster is, is what your roster is right now. And MLB did it trying to win a day.

And I think they won the day. There were 30 trades made. The Olympics were going on. Yet people were very focused on all the movement in baseball. And you try to do it. Roger Goodell is the king of this. He wants to win a day. And he finds so many different ways to win days. And this one was for MLB. They weren't David.

No, we were all watching the Olympics yesterday. Come on. Well, split screen. Simone Biles was performing. Suni Lee, Jordan Childs. Goosey's, by the way. I was updating X all day waiting for news. And it's funny when we before social media,

the way we got trade information on trade deadline day is we'd watch either ESPN or MLB network and there'd be a ticker. But really the way you do it on the inside is you get a computer list of the rosters of teams and you see players being blipped off one team and being added to another team. But yesterday all you had to do is press refresh and it was horrible because my for you timeline

was all political. Is anyone else having that issue? Yeah, it's almost as if they're fixing it that way. There's no way. I stay off the for you timeline. Do you believe what you do? Just the following? Just the you gotta do. I like that's a default position for you and they're very clearly trying to manipulate the election. I can't deny that it's horrible. But the problem is I don't follow enough people. So my following is just full of nonsense. So I'm going to do better.

Maybe I need a list of people I should be following. I also don't like when you update your Twitter and you get the same 10 people trying to be first to something, but then they have to give credit to the same guy. So you're seeing the same thing 10 times. I gotta find a way to get rid of that too. While we're on the topic of tech,

if you have a Yahoo email address or Yahoo password for your fantasy leagues, go ahead and change that. There was a big data breach today. What are they going to learn? What else is my favorites? Like my keeper. I'm numb to the data breaches. I get things in the mail that my dad has been breached and I used to have people ready to be hired in order to fix things and change things and it would stop

your day. Yes. Now I throw it away. You think anyone's gonna change their Yahoo password because of a data breach? Every time I get a text that says, hello, Jose, how are you today? I was like, oh, another breach. I wonder what it is this time. Samson, stay there, we're gonna come back with you

in a second, I wanna talk to you about what Inner Miami is doing because they're raising ticket prices again. What are you smiling about back there Mike? Why are you smiling about raised ticket prices? It was a banner day for Inner Miami. They got a lot of news, some of it good, mostly bad. We'll get into that with David Samson next, but it seems as though the people that are that are paying for Messi aren't Brighton who just bought a player was a great bit of business for Minter Miami. It's a season ticket holders. You're paying for everything.

That's right. That's how that one works. And you're getting less as a bonus. Look at that and look at how that smile on David Zimmel. Look at him. Look at how radiant he is. And you're schlepping to Fort Lauderdale. Summer's the best time to run the way you want.

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Tom Brady went down with an Achilles the only time he got hurt in his entire career and I was fist pumping in my living room at home because the Jets finally had a chance to win at the Vision. I mean, I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that is one of the most amazing sentences you've ever uttered. Stugats. From the maker of Trust Me, Don't Trust Me comes I'm Sorry, But I'm Not Going To Apologize.

You are amazing. Thank you. I know. You are a flabbergasting delight. You happen upon genius comedy by accident. That's my gift. This is the Don LeVatar Show with the StuGats. So a lot of news on the Inter Miami front as we alluded to.

Not only did they raise ticket prices, some benefits for ticket members going away, so they're getting less, being charged more. They're peeling away things like friendlies and cup competitions were kind of dicey dependent on the competition But that's not included you essentially get 17 matches for this newly increased season ticket price And it should be noted that Messi has missed more than half of the inner Miami matches this season People who would make this investment in inner Miami could always fall back on the secondary market. Like Game Time. Game Time is an unbelievable place everybody. That's where I would sell my tickets, that's where I would buy my tickets.

I didn't even mean to do that. No, it even snuck up on me Dan. I wasn't even planning on it, but it was just so perfect. I couldn't avoid it. Download the Game Time app, create an account and use code Dan if you want to get these low priced Inter Miami tickets because there's going to be plenty. For $20 off your first purchase, term supply, last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. So here's all the news. Great bit of business. They bought a player for three million

dollars and have sold that player Diego Gomez. He's going to Brighton. That was reported by the great MLS reporter Tom Bogert. Follow him. He's amazing. That's a great bit of business. One of the better deals in terms of transfer, bought and sell price, maybe ever. And they also announced very quietly, the stadium is an opening in 2025. I think that became pretty self evident if anybody's driven past the site. Or flown over it. Or lived in Miami for five minutes. So that's not going to open until 2026. And that's a bummer if you're a season ticket holder, you're hoping to get in that building. But what else do you have for me in Miami also, or raising ticket prices on you?

What do you make of the day that was for Inter Miami yesterday? It's a day from heaven for the owners because they've got to start recouping the investment they made in Messi. And it was always their plan when they gave them that contract was to figure out the different ways. And I think the issue with the stadium, they knew from the beginning, the stadium wasn't going to open in 25. It never had a chance.

There's not a piece of rebar. There's not a piece of rebar at all on the site, as you know. And they chose today to do it because it's sort of like the news dump where here's everything that we're doing. We're going to rip the bandaid off and give it to you now. But the thing is, Mike, that while you got rid of your season tickets, they've got enough season ticket holders in Fort Lauderdale who will pay that price. And as long as that happens, the prices will continue to go up.

All that has to happen is for people to say no, no mass and be done. No, pun intended. But it's not happening. I think that day is coming because they were very careful. The supporters section, which if you've ever attended a game, they've got a great supporter section. They were gonna stage a walkout last year

and at the death, Inter Miami avoided that from happening. I don't think they're going to be able to avoid it. And as someone that hadn't gone for quite some time, I went to the league's cup match last weekend and I was kind of disappointed by the crowd. That was a crowd that no matter what anybody would say about this market and its interest in soccer, even pre-messy, it was pretty well attended and the crowd was thin for this match. I think people are starting to say with their money that they're not buying anymore and will be curious to see what the pivot is. And I think Miami is just being Miami and I don't want to be critical of it as a market at all.

But there are attendance issues. There just are in every sport and you can clap back at me with the heat or with the dolphins and I will always argue that attendance in Miami has been an issue. I would say it's thin for Inter Miami, not thin for a crowd and I would not at all considering the trek that most Inter Miami fans have to make. I would not put any of this on Inter Miami fans. I think they're really loyal. They've shown it since day one of the franchise. This franchise is starting to betray the day ones and it's really unfortunate.

It's a tough thing that you have to figure out when your team is now worth a billion dollars, which is what Moss claims. You are going to at some point betray your day ones because it's like with a growing show, your day one audience is different than your day 1000 audience. And you don't want to betray them, but you've moved on. You've gotten bigger.

It's like saying that you're sad about your starter house, that you move out of it when you get to move into a bigger home, are you betraying that starter house? And I don't want to be sound like I'm being too harsh to original fans, but the reality is Mike, that you're the last person on an owner's mind. The day one, the emotional guy, the one who bought tickets. And I'm just trying to give you some truth here. You're just not the focus for the sales department or the owner. Mike, I'm curious if you would have felt this way if Messi hadn't gotten hurt, if he was playing in that game, in the League's Cup game, and it had been the full sort of rowdy crowd

that you expected. Were you still thinking that it's on the verge of, I guess, some sort of fan collapse, if you will? I don't think that they're on the verge of a fan collapse. I think that they're going to, I think that from what I'm gathering on social media, I don't think they're going to be able to avoid a supporter walkout, which are optics that I know for a fact they desperately

tried to avoid last year because they didn't want those. And so we'll see if they're able to avoid it this year. I know the Inner Miami fan. I know how vocal they are, I know how passionate they are and how hurt they are by this and they're feeling priced out by all of it. And no, it's not like the starter home because Inter Miami is not gonna give up the starter home. They're gonna own that land in Fort Lauderdale

no matter what. And they got a pretty sweet deal on the new land. I'm not at all comparing their trials and tribulations to that of the average American moving homes. I would say that supporter walkouts, if you look at the EPL and look at soccer overseas, there's supporter uprisings all the time. And they're hugely effective to the point that they broke up trillion dollar deals. I think if anything, the US soccer fan can learn something from what happens in Europe because they don't you realize I know somebody that runs business operations over in the UK

He has to have a town hall if he charges seven cents more for a soda The fans absolutely have a voice over there and we should honestly learn something from it Wait because they have the town hall does that mean they don't go ahead and do the price increase? Often. It's like Rickets flying. David, David, are you trying to outgun me here? Because yeah, they've stopped it.

Are you not familiar with Super League? Like they stopped that and it may come back and it's going to be totally different from what they tried to shove through the door. Yeah, no, they've stood in the way of capitalism, progress if you're looking at it from a business standpoint, for decades on end. So would a fan walk out even work here

if the fans don't have that type of pull? I don't know. America is totally different because I think the consumer is largely resigned to them being powerless when there's plenty of examples abroad. What does it mean for working, Mike? I'm trying to understand, does it have to do with payroll? Does it have I'm trying to understand is it have to do with payroll?

Does it have to do with finances? Does that have to do with the consumer in the consumer in Europe has successfully time and time again, stop ticket price increases. Has stopped price gouging time after time. Do you see some of that incrementally? Yes. Do some clubs get away with it more than others? Yes, do fans force people to step down from their positions all the time in the UK all the time

There is a resignation here from the American Consumer and sports fan that they are totally powerless. That is David hold on a second. That's terrible business though Mike You're not a lot of fans that dictate what your business model is. If you want to raise tickets, you raise tickets. You don't ask the fans. You are proud to be an American. I mean, I'm sure he is. But in addition to that being true, what Stu gots is saying,

it does happen here in the States when you've got CEOs who get shackled or they get fired or they get it happened at Boeing. It doesn't happen in sports. It only happens when you hire a head coach that you're not happy with. And that's how Greg Shiano stays at Rutgers. Mike's doing a new thing here, David, where he's got a coffee mug and he's slamming it as he's yelling at you and Dan's just cracking up. And I'd like to know what Dan's We're out of the paper cups.

So now I'm a, I'm a coffee mug guy with tea in there, but I do like the visuals of that. It's night and day. It is very different. I know some of the same people Mike is talking about and they're very careful about doing stuff like this to their fan base over there. They run scared of their customers. The customers do have a voice that South Florida doesn't have. But when you criticize attendance in South Florida, and that's certainly very easy to do, what do you do with the fact that the Heat have sold out every game since 2010? It's like the fourth longest streak ever. That is a fact. Well don't get me started on how to get a sellout streak, but the Heat do deserve credit.

They have had a sustained period of multi-generational success with different sets of players. They have run their organization in a way that no one else in Miami has been able to do, frankly, very few teams are able to keep a competitive window open. As long as they have, of course, what happens when they're not in a competitive window and when they're in the lottery, will they still be selling out and there were times when they had a curtain, the upper deck, when they weren't getting sellout.

So there are roller coasters and ups and downs. Congratulations, the Heat have had this sustained open window, which is amazing, but it's hard to keep those open forever. But you're blaming attendance in South Florida on South Florida, and I'm giving you an example of, well, if you run your organization right, it doesn't seem to be the same attendance problem.

Look at what's going on with the Panthers. They're truly sold out. Crazy demand because they finally fixed what was going on up top. But that's, again, that's such a Miami-centric thing that you're saying. There are, almost every market is the same. When there is success, it can correlate to increased attendance,

increased ticket prices. It just feels like it's a Miami thing. But the fact of the matter is there's attendance issues in very many different cities, cities like Pittsburgh or Cincinnati or Kansas city or Tampa on the West coast of Florida. When you don't have a franchise that works, it doesn't work. But then once you win, it works. There's this thing that we try to say that, Oh, it's about the experience

or it's about the stadium location. It's a bunch of horse hockey. Fans want to support a winner and that's it. And so the Marlins have just never been able to have sustained winning under any of our watches. And that's why there's never been good attendance. When the Panthers weren't winning, they had to pay people to go under Michael Yormark.

Now they're winning and people are going, and that's a credit to Caldwell and Viola that they've put that team together. I understand what you're doing, and you're speaking from far more experience. I would say that baseball and more so soccer, they highlight in-game atmospheres and experience more than others. That's why minor league baseball thrives in certain markets because

people like having fun at these ball games and they don't really care whether or not their minor league baseball team wins anything or not. It's about experiences for certain sports because it can help and Inner Miami has tried to augment the in-stadium experience but they're pricing those people out that care about those things. Everybody tries to augment the in-stadium experience. The reason why minor league attendance, A, their capacity is much smaller and B, it is true that you're not going for the standings or going to see the players of the future. You're actually going for a more professional version

of the Savannah Bananas. And that's been going on since the days of Bill Vek. That's what, when he tried to bring minor league thoughts to the White Sox, you know what happened with Disco Night and maybe Dan's the only one in the room. Maybe Mike remembers, maybe Chris. Riot. There was a, am I the only one?

No, it was a riot. Like a bunch of fans came on. There was, yeah, it was a famous thing. Jessica knows what you're, Jessica, everyone knows what you're talking about. And the Savannah Bananas represent one of the great business successes in the history of American sports.

Well, they're the Harlem Globetrotters. It's fantastic. They travel around and they put on a performance where it's not about wins and losses. It's not about knowing who's on the team and being upset when a player gets traded or not signed to a long-term deal. You're simply there to be entertained. And in professional sports, we always used to say, we're in the entertainment business. We want to entertain you.

And that's a line that I would use all the time, but my fingers and toes would be crossed because I said it because I wanted it to be true. But when you're in professional sports, you're in the winning business. That's the only business you're in. Before we get out of here with you, what do you think of the idea or the discrepancies in how it is that countries pay their athletes? This is so good. Are you watching?

Jessica, the Olympics, have you read the article where it goes over the countries and how they reward their medalists? So in the U.S. we don't do much of anything. It's like 30 grand for a gold and 20 grand for a silver and 10 grand for a bronze and no money for tin. But Singapore has it's like over 700 grand. But my favorite is Kazakhstan.

If you win the gold medal and they have a gold medal winner this year, you get a three bedroom apartment. If you win the silver, they give you a two bedroom apartment. And if you win the silver, they give you a two bedroom apartment. And if you win the bronze, they give you a one bedroom apartment. And the reason I'm laughing is that of

course the apartments in Kazakhstan is not like it's in Tribeca. Somewhere like in the village. Of course the US can't do it. But there's all sorts of funny funny things that medalists get. The United States should be appalled at its treatment of its Olympic athletes because it's pretty much the only developed country that doesn't actually fund its Olympic programs. That's why you have Flava Flav actually sponsoring some of these athletes and these sports because it's all private sponsorships and as an added bonus the NCAA is trying to add it as a pork tax to this this settlement and make the

student-athletes actually pay for these Olympic programs as opposed to the government actually stepping up. But we're waiting like 200 medals every single Olympics I mean if David was in charge he wouldn't be paying that much money either. It's really embarrassing that we don't fund these programs. What kind of taxes is that? Look, I know what a pork tax is. Pork barrel taxes. It's an earmark.

It's pink eats, Chris. Yeah, you hide something. Sounds delicious. You just hide something inside of a bill and try to shove it through. You can say it's not kosher, but at the end of the day, the reason why we win so many medals is we have so many great athletes who

want to be Olympians because they find a way to get paid other ways or to be satisfied other ways. The quickest way to increase pay is for us to be at the bottom of the metal list. Then all of a sudden the U S would step up. What is the movie you're reviewing for us this week? Dirty pop. Oh, I saw that old dirty Lou Pearlman. That guy so bad. Or was so bad. Yeah.

Spoiler alert was a Lou Pearlman is a man who started Backstreet Boys and in sync. And he looks a little bit like someone who would start Backstreet Boys in NSYNC. And you wouldn't realize until you're watching the three episode arc on Netflix that he was a criminal, a Ponzi schemer, and an overall bad guy. And you see Justin Timberlake as a little boy. You see the Backstreet Boys when they start. And you're thinking this could be a feel-good story.

And then you realize it's called Dirty Pop. And boy, was he dirty dirty and it makes me sick. So I don't want you to watch it because you're going to lose faith in our system. You're going to lose faith in all the adults who try to do good things for good people and you're going to be cynical like me. Do not watch it but just know that the guy who started Backstreet Boys and N-Sync was a pig. Well, hang on a second. He is now dead. Didn't he, at the heart of it, just really, really, really want to make boy bands?

Because he didn't actually make all this money. He just wanted to repeat what he really liked doing. Absolutely not. He was supporting a Ponzi scheme where he was living a lavish lifestyle based on people investing money in BS companies and then having the boy bands perform for them and God knows what that means. But apparently he's just-

He's done that a lot of ways, but he really had a fandom for boy bands. That's the one thing about this show that was wild to me is that whole era of boy bands that affected my life and so many people here was started by this gentleman and he was largely responsible for all of it. Don't watch the documentary. Seems like Izzy's a fan.

David, not of Lou Pearlman. If you watch this documentary, you cannot be. You wouldn't know who Justin Timberlake is if it wasn't for Lou Pearlman. Get a little bit. And we don't have a better option. Let the man speak. He was in the Mickey Mouse Club, Izzy.

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Pointing out that a Brown's legend hold on Hold on and maybe the greatest coach to never win a Super Bowl. Okay, wait a minute. Let's just, everybody, let's just settle down. Let's all settle down. Hey, did you hear? This is the Dan LeVatar Show with the StuGats. I wanted to continue here with something that we got into because you guys are in a funny place with the Marlins that I totally understand, and it is the worst place for a sports franchise to be. The sports franchise would prefer its customers to be angry because angry means you still

care. The way that Chris Cody and Stu Gotts just talked about what the Marlins just did. Indifferent is the worst thing that you have in a customer base. And this franchise has very much earned that indifference because it has burned through so much anger that turns into betrayal i thought that that was largely dead in me and when i saw jazz chism rounding the bases

wearing the yankee uniform reflexively i did not want that to exist in me right i got bothered all over again and it feels to me like how the argument with your wife or husband that's not actually about leaving the toilet seat up but all the other resentments. My anger about the jazz chism thing isn't contained within jazz chism because I can make all the logical arguments for why it is you should trade for prospects and rebuild the whole thing burn it all down with every value that you've ever had but I've already seen them do that with Ozuna Stanton and Yelich bringing back all the players

that weren't good enough and then waited for these to get good enough and now they're trading their entire bullpen as well. You had some night last night you really have the full range of emotions. How many reactions did you have? I mean... Well I care about sports those two guys. Highs and lows, highs and lows, just a night I mean in August. You're a one-percenter when it comes to Marlin fandom right you were there from the beginning, baseball's in your heart. Like that feeling that came back to you that you didn't expect. I don't know if Chris Cody even had it,

who is one of the biggest Marlins fans I know. Did you have that? Two percenter, Chris Cody. Look, I agree with Dan. Like, Jazz is a good player. I didn't dislike Jazz. I just, with this Marlins team, they weren't going. They're a last place team.

And usually these trades, all the prospects we get back are like, oh, they didn't even get good prospects. Everything you're reading from this one's like they said, we gave up Trevor Rogers and the Orioles fans are pissed that who they gave up. So the reports are that they and the Padres gave up a bunch. So like the reports are better for the hall that we got than they usually are. Agreed. And I understand that it's difficult to sell people on prospects because they prefer names and something they have already seen. But I would simply tell you that my anger starts with,

Derek Jeter got away with doing nothing here that was positive. Zero. Playoffs. Zero positive here that was positive. Zero. Playoffs. Zero positive things that he did. You're telling me playoffs, it's 30 and 31 they went during a, but they got playoffs.

You got Sandy in a trade? Yeah. I mean, it's not an illustrious list of achievements. There's two World Series championships early on in the franchise's history. And then Jeter has tied for first the other achievement. But Dan loves baseball, it's a body of work thing that's what it is for you it's just a body of work you love

baseball you wanted baseball to work down here it has a couple of years where they've won it all but for the most part it hasn't. It's not just body of work it's the consortium of teaming up with the people in power in baseball to ransack South Florida and kill the sport here because of the greed around the business. When you tell me Jeter, with all of the things that they did, and you're still making an argument on behalf of Jeter when- Not making an argument, just pointing out things. The reason the franchise is in this kind of disrepair

is because he came down here to be the latest of the Saviors, cashed out, made a ton of money himself, and didn't actually leave the organization in any better of a position than it was in before. First and most guilty is a guy we just had on, who inflated the franchise's value and got an owner that literally couldn't afford his price tag like you keep complaining about it you just have the guy that's most responsible for it on you mentioned the latest of the saviors that

to me is hey if you don't understand what's happening here there's not going to be a savior it's going to keep happening and this is what's happened to me. It's like you're blaming Derek Jeter for taking a good deal but you're not blaming David Sampson for taking a good deal. Mike, I don't spend any time blaming David Sampson. Why don't you ask David Sampson if I spend any time blaming David Sampson. But it's all a Jeter, it's like a ghost of Christmas pass. It doesn't matter. Five dollars from each of you. In 1997 I remember driving back up to Gainesville in a crackling radio listening to Game 7 of that World Series. And I thought at that moment, I thought it's in 93,

but I thought at that moment I was a fan for life. And I am nowhere near that. In fact, I'm at the point now that if this team were to up and move and become the Las Vegas Golden Nuggets, like John Bowles used to say, I wouldn't even blink an eye. It would not bother me. It would not hurt my heart. I don't think John Bowles could blink an eye.

His face is frozen in time. I would say, oh, now they'll go to a city that appreciates them. I don't care about them. That's how little I care about them. I haven't seen them in three years. I've been to that stadium three times. Only once did I stay for the game.

I get angry when surrounded by that indifference. It's what's making me angry. It's what's bothering me about it that these things happen and you guys are just... So you made it up. There's nothing that we can do. We tried to change it. We confronted the commissioner about it. We gave it our best go. Commissioner had a bad interview.

Now we're several years removed from that. What can we do about it? We can openly lament all we want. This is like, we need someone to buy the team for way more than it's worth. Like the last guy did. That's all that's saving them. We've just accepted baseball for what it is down here. I mean, every 10 years we'll get lucky perhaps And every other year will be bad It's July didn't didn't Mike just talk about how the European fan has such a strong voice Haven't we been doing that down here? We haven't been supporting this team and nothing's really changed

Not a thing. I'm more invested in inter Miami. I've got the MLS season pass. I've bought my nephew's messy jerseys I'm way more of an inter fan than I am a Marlins fan. 30 days has September, April, June, November, you're right. Damn it. Damn, he's right. I thought it was August. It's a sneaky little month. 31, huh?

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