The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Let's Steel

Episode Date: March 5, 2024

Today's Cast: Dan, Stugotz, Greg, Billy, Chris, Jeremy, and Mike. Is Jason Kelce the most famous Offensive Lineman of all-time? Is he the most beloved athlete ever in the city of Philadelphia? We take some time to dissect where he stands, but not before Stugotz and Greg dismiss him for his long retirement speech. Then, Russell Wilson and the Broncos part ways, Greg Cote goes to a Bob Dylan concert, and Stugotz's book may be his biggest scam yet. Plus, how much would we have to pay you to ride a bull? Also, Pablo Torre is here to discuss Russell Wilson's eccentricities, the coolest athletes in sports, and his latest Pablo Torre Finds Out episode on Rick Pitino. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Plus, eligible Ford owners get a $1,000 bonus. For details, visit your local Ford store or Ford.ca. Welcome to the big sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? for just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now here's the marching band to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. Juju, put it on the pole please. Do these Swifties think that's how

all offensive linemen retire? Ha ha ha ha ha ha. At Levitard show, happy Greg Cody Tuesday. Yeah. Happy 305 day. Gonna do this a little differently for a little while, so at least the playoffs, I think, where we put the local hour second and do some other stuff first. But I am telling you that I came in here today and it appears that Greg Cody and Stugatz have arrived at done with Jason Kelsey. They didn't think that he should have gone out with a 40 minute retirement speech.

A lot of people were made emotional by that. I was made emotional by that. I missed my brother watching Travis cry because his brother was crying, but Stugatz and Greg Cody, it feels like, are done with the Jason Kelsey experience. I mean, it's a center. He took 45 to 50 minutes to give a retirement speech.

It was a Hall of Fame speech. He thanked his band coach. I mean, what are we doing? And poor Brian Kelly, because he pointed out a part of his career where Brian Kelly became his college coach and he says you know Brian Kelly that was a big move him becoming my college coach not because of Brian Kelly but because of a strength and conditioning coach that Brian Kelly brought with him I felt terrible he did

say he did say not because of Brian Kelly he did point that out while thinking out of his way his band coach. It was a bit much, Jason. It was a bit much. I mean, dying Lou Gehrig took a half a minute to give one of the most famous speeches in the history of sports by saying he's the luckiest man on Earth. You know, Jason Kelsey is taking almost an hour to give his own living eulogy. I thought it was a little weird, the ultimate look at me, Louis. You know, great career, congrats. No, tell me, tell me, please.

No, take seven, eight minutes. Right. Be concise. Save something for the Hall of Fame speech. I'll also say this about Lou Gehrig, okay? That thing would have been 15 seconds. Wrapped up in 15 seconds, had he not taken a couple of pauses because he was emotional.

Right. He was dying. Yeah, and imagine Jason Kelsey's Canton speech. It's going to take two days. He's going to be like a four part mini series. His Canton speech. I think if anything you wait to vote for him, right? Because you're like, we can't. We can't do it this year. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, because you don't want to have to endure that monologue by him. It's unbelievable. Put it on the pole, Juju, at LeBatard show. Is Jason Kelsey's Canton speech going to be a four-part mini-series at LeBatard show?

This isn't the way I thought I would have this going today. I thought it was a nice moment. It's always nice to get, if you're an offensive lineman, to see them get shine. I do imagine all the other offensive linemen are confused and jealous about that. Oh, Creed Humphrey, I mean, can you imagine what he is thinking right now? The band coach?

The band coach, who taught him how to toot his own horn. I mean. Okay, I want to ask you guys, who's the most famous offensive lineman ever? I want to ask you guys who's the most famous offensive lineman ever I want to ask you who's the most famous center ever and I also want to ask you who's the most beloved athlete in Philadelphia history by consensus because people like Alan Iverson were polarizing. They weren't by consensus. I think Dr. J might have been

By consensus popular chase Utley I may have that wrong though because Dr. J always handled himself with a great deal of class But being black at that time in America or at any time in America isn't exactly the most fun Experiences an athlete is Iverson in that conversation. I mean I just put him in that conversation. He has to be in that conversation. I said he's polarizing. It's a little bit ridiculous but a fictional athlete. Rocky. Yeah. It's it's not that ridiculous. Put it on the pole please.

Statue. Juju at LeBatard show. Most beloved Philadelphia athlete ever. Dr. J, Alan Iverson, Jason Kelsey, Chase Utley. This is a low key a sad list when a fictional character is your top athlete. What is Chase Utley doing on this list? Right, he was very popular. He was so popular. How about Reggie White?

I mean, he's probably in that conversation, huh? Mike Schmidt. He was really popular. The fact that we're putting Chase Utley in the same conversation with Alan Iverson Is crazy. I think you should put Bobby Clark up there, too I think you're under messed underestimating how famous chase Utley was and how beloved he was by that team and by that Fan base. I mean we're saying that about him. We could say that about any all-star for any team. No, it's different

What was your guys' reaction yesterday to the most famous center? And answer my question here, because I guess John Madden would be the... I think Jason Kelsey, and this may be hyperbolic, is the most famous both center and maybe offensive lineman ever. The people that I was trying to pull

are guys like Madden and Deirdorff. Guys that became famous because they just stayed around the game and were calling important games later in their career. He's famous while playing, yes. Yeah, it's a big difference, you're right. Madden became famous after he retired. The next level is just infamy, in which Richie and Cognito gets in the conversation. I have never seen an offensive lineman get the send-off I saw yesterday.

That is a first for me in all the time I have covered sports, nevermind Hall of Famers. But a center? A center's among the most anonymous positions that you can find anywhere in football. Like when I ask you, the most famous centers ever, do I have to go back to Mike Webster and Dwight Stevenson? And I know the podcast and the Taylor Swift thing certainly helps, but I think Jason

Kelsey might have been in this conversation last year before any of this entered the conversation. I'm looking up most famous centers here. Jim Ringo from Way Back in the Day, Alex Mack. A lot of names I've never even heard of and I'm old, Dermany Dawson. Let's see Mike Webster, of an old Dermany Dawson. Let's see Mike Webster, Dwight Stevenson is number four. Number three, Mel Hine. Love you, Hiney. Chuck Bidnarik. I think he was a Philly guy too.

And then number one is Jim Otto on Miami Hurricane, I believe. How about that? Number one, all time. For a long time when I was a kid, I thought Tim Ruddy was Rudy. Oh. Because he went to Notre Dame.

Right. Makes sense. Not as egregious as Chris Cody thinking that Franco Harris was named Frank O'Harris. I also thought Cecil Fielder was a position. What? A position in baseball. He played Cecil Fielder? Yes, he thought that the Cecil Fielder.

The roaming shallow outfielder. Right near center field, Cecil Fielder. Stugat, I thought some of the numbers, and we will talk about this in a little bit with Pablo Torre and Mina Kimes, but I thought some of the numbers yesterday, we are obsessed with the quarterbacks, the real famous ones in that sport. And what happened with Russell Wilson yesterday was interesting as the numbers started pouring in because this has been an evolution over my lifetime in sports, the total obsession with money.

And so when you trade for Russell Wilson and you're the Denver Broncos and you trade with the Seahawks and you trade for a one, a two, and a five in 2022 and a one and a two and 23. And what you get from Russell Wilson is two years of the Broncos at $124 million. And that now on the, he is now on the cap in dead money, he is $85 million for the

Broncos, which is more than what were the previous biggest numbers, two of them in dead cap money. Aaron Rodgers at 40- million and Matt Ryan at 40 something million. The two of them before this were the most dead money. So this qualifies as one of the greatest mistakes we've ever seen in professional football. Trading for Russell Wilson, he was 11 and 19 in 30 games and in less than two years now, I think this is from Warren Sharp,

two teams are paying him $111 million to not play. And in a salary cap sports, that will cause you a great deal of problems. You see what's happening with the dolphins right? Right now, right? The dolphins' best window was when Tua was cheap and they were able to load up on defense, but now they're losing Christian Wilkins. They have to pay Tua. Yeah, because they've gotta when Tua was cheap and they were able to load up on defense. But now they're losing Christian Wilkins.

They have to pay Tua. Yeah, because they've got to pay Tua. And so in a salary cap sport, this is a monster mistake. I don't even know where else you go to find a trade that ends up being as bad in results as this one. You got five high picks or four high picks and a fifth rounder and you get an 11 and 19 record out of the deal.

It's a terrible situation in retrospect. When they made the deal, I didn't think it was that terrible. He was a very, very good player for a long time in Seattle. He was only 33 at the time of of the trade which in their thinking we've got another five years of this guy still in his prime it didn't turn out right it turned out to be an awful deal for denver but that's in retrospect i didn't think it was bad at the time maybe others did it's

a bad deal obviously on with hindsight but it's gonna be interesting at because russel wilson can go to whatever team he wants to go to and he can go there for cheap. Like it's gonna be interesting to see what teams are gonna want Russell Wilson to be their quarterback. I saw that Pittsburgh was the betting favorite the last time that I looked. That's a good spot for him. Yeah. Because I think last year it flashed. You were also worried about the Sean Payton trade too, especially after that game against the Dolphins. But something happened within that locker room where Sean Payton found out how to get the most out of Russell Wilson, which was being super conservative. And Pittsburgh always finds themselves in these games where they could

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Stugats. Oh, f**k me. This is the Dan Lebatard show Gonna get some golf ASMR. Stugats! Oh, f*** me. This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stugats! It would be an upgrade for them and for him. Well, most guys would be an upgrade for the Steelers. What would his slogan be there, though? Steel, steel up.

Stealer nation. Let's steal. I don't know. There's a spitball in order to beat. Let's steal. Steel country. Letaler nation. Let's steal. I don't know. It was just spitball. Let's steal. Steal country. Let's ride. No. No?

I think let's steal. Let's steal. Let's steal. Let's steal is good. Instugots would love it, obviously. Get me. I'm in. Instugots.

Stealing it. We need a curtain. Let's open. I don't. Let's get the dust off you. The steel curtain call. Hard hat and lunch pail. Ready to work.

Steal out. Stealers wheel. Just keep work. I wish you had thought about all of these things before you went to a microphone. I don't think we are gonna figure this out. I'll sit here and wait if you want. Let's see if we can figure this out. Because I think it'll take the rest of time.

Let's steal. Yo, Pitt, let's get lit. Hmm. No. No. Black and yellow. All right. Black and yellow, black and yellow.

It's a good song. It's a good song. Hmm. That is shocking that he knew that. I can a good song. That is shocking that he knew. I can not believe he knew that. That is the most shocking thing since there was a magnum condom in his wallet. I loved his, I loved that song. The bar's pretty low.

What's another song you like? A hip hop reference from 12 years ago. It's amazing. Still, I've never been so impressed. He came in here today dying to talk about Bob Dylan. Yes, oh my gosh. Bob Dylan. so impressed he came in here today dying to talk about bob dillon yes i i i i i i i i i bob dillon we chris were and i both saw him the other night and i if no one has seen a bob dillon concert i'm warning you right now consider this a warning in pulsing neon

hold on before you warn me yeah what he's mumbling and really hard to decipher and not much of a show actually his voice was not the problem he was in good voice and and i think the mumbling thing is over read i could understand the words the problem is he plays exactly what he wants to play and does not play any of the hits you want to any of the any of the familiar beloved songs that would you would sing along with as an audience he does not play cuz i was thinking that and i don't but i'm not a huge bob d Dylan guy And my dad knew one of the 16 songs that he played Wow, like I'm telling you I looked back a couple times because we were sitting pretty close I look back and I'm like it's maybe it's just me. I'm young. I'm not in the demo. I look back

Nobody is mouthing the words. It's not that they're not standing up or dancing with any energy There's no singing. it is just people staring forward. He did not address the crowd at all outside of a couple. Thank you after a song when they were clapping. Well, in fairness, he isn't as early 80s. Physically, I don't think he can get around anymore. He sat behind a piano almost the entire concert. And it's just another problem with a Dylan concert

is that everything is dirge like in mid tempo There's no quote-unquote rock and roll songs that would get people off where do you play by the way? He played at the Broward Center for the performing arts really Cody Cody has filed this complaint before at artists he says Hey legend play the hits yes, and I think most people would agree with that. I don't think that most people pay all that money to go to a concert and have your whimsical, artistic desires and your new stuff be something that overtakes the hit list.

You can play some of your artistic whimsy, but you have to play the hit. But it's not like you're going to see like a big pop act where they're not playing the hits. It's not like Bob Dylan's hits or big sing-alongs for the most part. You're going to that room to be in the same room as Bob Dylan.

You're not going there to sing-along. That's where you're wrong. Bob Dylan thinks you're going to that room to be in the same room as Bob Dylan. Greg was not going to that concert to be in the same room as Bob Dylan. Greg was not going to that concert to be in the same room as Bob Dylan. He was going to hear the hits. I'm telling you, the concert my dad curated

of Bob Dylan hits on the way to the concert, I was in the car, I'm like, this is gonna be awesome. And my dad's like, he's not gonna play any of these songs. My dad knew what we were getting into. Bob, I am gonna put a curated Bob Dylan, the Bob Dylan concert you never heard, the best Bob Dylan concert you never heard. I'm gonna put a curated bob dylan that the bob dylan concert uh... you never heard the best bob dylan concert you never heard i'm gonna put that spot away and i'm gonna get a spot a lot of it your scurrilist spot what let me give you

an example of what you do you know three should do uh... some cover band bob dylan stuff here's a good idea here's the thing and jerry fellow he ought to hear over here when the he'll have your fellow performs in concert we have to play the hits. We have to play Puk in the Coa. Viva Greg Cody. I mean, there's just certain hits you have to play. So that kind of thing. Billy informed me this morning after listening to the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody.

With? Thank you so far. It is a very popular podcast and he informed me this morning that Erlene, your wife, Chris's mother, that she yelled at Chris Cody in a way that no one has heard before on the podcast. I wouldn't say yelled. She put him in his place. She was very composed. She did not raise her voice.

But she got Chris in line very quickly. I would say I was proud of her I went to New York a couple weeks ago And I got back and I just made a comment of because when I went with my parents in when I was younger We stayed in the middle of Times Square, and I just noticed having been to New York a few times now that that is just not the Place big mistake. Yeah would stay and that's all I was never complaining about the trip I had. I was very, my parents are great. We went to a bunch of games. I'm just saying what I was being critical of

is where we stayed and my mom ran with that thinking I was being critical of the entire trip. Being entitled. Yeah. I was just like, you know, let's next time, maybe East Village or, you know, Chelsea. All right, talk about entitlement. Your mother was reminding you that we saw a Broadway play the original Lion King

We saw a Yankee game. We saw a Met game. We went to Little Italy. We went to Chinatown We saw the Twin Towers. We did everything you could possibly you ate a tavern on the green We were a big wrestling fan So you stayed in the same hotel as the wrestlers to run into them in the elevators. These are all things you could have done if you stayed in the East Village. Put it on the pole, Juju, at LeBitarre show. Is Times Square a good place to stay? My father proposed to my mother at Tavern on the Green. Wow. No.

Well, she says, actually, and I think she's got this right, it seems like it would be right, that he still hasn't actually proposed that the way that it came out was, he asked her why it is, no, that's not, he asked her why, if she wanted to have kids, and when she answered, and then asked why do you ask, he pointed a fork at her and said,

why do you think I'm asking? That's romantic. They didn't get married yet. Sounds more like a threat. At least it wasn't a knife. So they didn't get married? Are they married? It's a levitar.

Go ahead and play the Puka song. We gotta play this in culture. His name is Cooper, good at running curls, But when his hammy got a tear, He saw Puka standing there, his blade diminished. Hustle take over, Nakuwa hopped into the car McFay has maybe found a star and then that staffer threw him 25 and 2

oh there's a brand new kid in town out of BYU they call him Puka Nakuwa his quarterback is not named Tua he is Puka Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, Pucca, You don't know the songs to it. Your rhythm is off and it doesn't feel like you know the words to it It's been a while since I've sung it. So good. That's your mr. Tambourine man right there. Thank you

You gotta play it. That's our blowing in the wind. Have you heard Stugatz the song about your book? Have you heard that yet? I don't think you have I don't think you were here the day that we played We made the song about your book. Listen to this. My book's unwritten but still it's for sale. cause I close the deal I am getting to it, but so are my friends We all know how this ends Staring at the laptop before you Open up a browser window Let your fingers hunt and pack for stewgottsbook.com

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No one knows, no one knows This thing even comes out Click the link now to obtain it. Best of luck is you're explaining to your friends why you're purchasing a book that's still unwritten. I asked you guys ten days ago. When is the forward due? And he says I'll let you know by Monday at the latest. Yes. I'm still waiting. Right. Stugotsbook.com for pre-orders right now. It is killing it. I appreciate it. You have till May 1st for the forward, by the way. Found out yesterday. How about that? May

1st. Plenty of time for a writer like you. Billy, what's wrong? I just, all of it, I just don't understand. You know that like this book will not come out if you don't do it, right? Like it's not, he's relying on everyone else to write it for him. If everyone else just says no, there's no book. Well, luckily everyone has said yes, except for Dan. You're not writing anything for this book, right? Well, no, I wrote most of the book.

No, you didn't write most of the book. You wrote questions. Well, they're my takes. I mean, he's just taking my takes, my personal record book, and he's putting them down on paper. But you're not writing. I have to voice them into the microphone. No, I'm not writing a thing.

I mean, please, I have a ghost writer. I mean, Billy wrote the takes. It's not a ghost writer. And Billy wrote the takes. You're right. It's just a writer writer. Yeah, it's, well, it stands, stands it. Sounds like someone's dictating what you've said.

Well, no, there are things that I've said. Like Kevin Durant does not have rings in my personal record book. He may not know what dictating means. Right, I don't. My understanding of- Why can't a book just be a book? I wrote a fun book. It's a nice book.

Why can't you guys have it? You have it. You have it. You have it. You have not reported me. No one has written the book yet. My understanding of this book is you have a take. Kevin Durant has no rings.

And then you say, Mina Kimes, why is that wrong? And then she writes a chapter as to why that's wrong. So you wrote questions. It was actually Stan Van Gundy who wrote the rebuttal to that chapter. No, I'm pardoning you. My rebuttal is already in, by the way.

I wrote my chapter. And it was great, thank you. Oh, you read it? Yeah, yeah, I did. It was awesome. By the way, in your defense, and this happened with the Pride of a Lion, which you can buy wherever books are sold, it's very common for a pre-sale.

You picking your nose while saying, well done. I didn't pick my nose. There's like a little zit right here on the quarter of my nose. Who I hate those, I have one of those too. Yeah, one side, yeah. I don't know how that happened. Has it washed upon you, Dan, that you are an actual writer and you're surrounded by two people that are working on a book or have completed a book? You are not one of those people. One of them is picking a zit off of his nose and the other one's Greg Cote.

Hey, you know that spot I'm talking about, though. I do. It's a painful one. No, I just want to say that that's common in publishing is for a book not yet written to be on pre-sale. So, what's happening with the Stugatz book is not an anomaly. Bad Boys 4 wrapped up filming here in Miami yesterday and is going to be in theaters June 7th. It's insane. That doesn't seem like enough time for that to go. Is this the first thing

Will Smith is doing since the slap of Chris Rock? It doesn't seem like enough time, and yet I'm listening to what Stugatz is saying, and it's reminding me of he doesn't have enough time for this to come out in May, and he's writing nothing. Don Lebatard. Billy's got a conundrum here, he's got a dog now, and he doesn't know how to socialize with other dog owners. Stugatz.

Dogs, Dan, I don't know if you're aware of dogs. dogs like to smell each other and kind of like socialize and all that stuff So then I'm holding on to a leash with my dog on it while another owner is doing the same thing And I don't know how to interact with this owner in this case like hey, you know my dog Likes your dog's butt smell as you guys know. I'm not good at small talk So like this is a nightmare for me because what do I talk to these other dog owners about? I experienced this exact same thing with my kid at a park. It's the same thing kids and dogs basically the same Same exact thing. Put it on the pole of that Lebatar show. Our kids and dogs basically the same. Because my two-year-old wants to run over and play with other kids and all of a sudden

I'm standing there and our two kids are kind of chasing each other and we're like hey, yep, there's our kids. How about that? This is the Don Lebatar show with the Stugats. and our two kids are kind of chasing each other and we're like, hey, yeah, there's our kids. How about that? This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. Have either of you ever ridden a mechanical bull or, and I doubt you've ridden an actual bull, but have you ever been enticed in any way to ride a bull mechanical or otherwise? I haven't.

I like watching people fall off the ball, but I have not done it myself, no. No, I haven't either, I don't like roller coasters, I don't like anything that jostles me or makes me dip and swerve and you know, there's a reason I'm not a rodeo cowboy. I think I've done it once, yeah once in my life I've done that.

In a bar in Davy? Not in Davy. They don't have one actually, shocker, it in my life I've done that. In a bar in Davy? Not in Davy. They don't have one actually. Shocker. It's an upset. They used to. They didn't have a bar. It was by my house that had that.

I did it in Vegas. There's like some country bar in Vegas I've done it at before. But Dan is right. Davy used to have one. Roundup, I think. Yeah, they don't anymore. I feel like it's a legal liability. Well, you're about to see why.

Because the UNLV coach, the football coach Barry Odom was raising money for his football program and he doesn't really ride the bull. The gate opens and he falls off the bull and concusses himself. So go ahead and watch this so that you can see what's happening here because he lasts one second, two seconds. And he's done. No, he got hit hard. Like that is, and he's not, he walked off. No, but he's not totally there Like doesn't know where he is. He doesn't know where he is. Yeah, but he walked off. That's the important thing I know okay football coach. All right, but you can play that again And yes, he did walk off scared because the bull, you know hit him with his horn like oh

Yeah, it's just a good good word that is not a good idea you can see that his legs aren't there in he tried man look at those what are those called the things that you wear over the pants those are chaps I thought you don't know I thought chaps were in the back I thought I asked less chaps I thought that that was something that was in the back nothing's in the back we can stop playing this this is like jacked up for me as being back in the day There's gonna be a billion better ways to raise money than Put it on the pole, please juju at LeBatart show are there a billion better ways to raise money?

Then riding a bull the old dunk tank or something When he's thinking of that idea like there's nobody in his house going hey dad, you know, why don't you just have a bake sale? You know, what are you doing? I don't know what it would take for someone to get me to ride a bull. Like I have seen how scared everyone is in the tightness of a pen when they're just simply trying to get the bull to settle down because those things are inordinately strong. Is this the same thing as yesterday with the Mazvedal kick?

Like $1,000, Tony would do this for? I need a bull that's heavily sedated. I want a bull that not only isn't hopping up and down, but it's just barely sauntering out of the plan. Almost asleep, yeah. Yeah, that's what a bull I need. It's a sleepy bull.

A sleepy bull, yeah. A bull in Kuala Lumpur. video, go ahead and just put up Mazvedal again, because I've asked Sullivan to try and find the guy, the moron who decided that it was a good idea to take a kick from Jorge Mosvedal in a ballroom. Pablo

Torre finds out is about to join us here and he did an episode about how unusual Russell Wilson is and I want to talk to him about that in a second. But Pablo, you're coming in as you're watching the Mosvedal video here, and you saw the Bull video. Who's dumber there?

It's the guy who got kicked by Mosvedal because the most pathetic part of that visually, he's on the floor, and he just starts pathetically clapping as if he wanted this like it's it's he's there and then Yep, and the middle finger middle finger, but then it's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good job Yeah, but he's clapped. I wanted to break my leg He's clapping after holding his leg in the spot where it hurts so much Yeah, but I don't I don't know how much you'd have to pay me to get on a bull, because that ride lasted

less than a second. How much you had to pay the bull? Hearing Greg talk about a sedated bull though, because this bull here, obviously, all of its faculties are intact. Greg riding a sedated bull actually might be sadder than the guy making the decision. Not for me, it wouldn't. The bull actually might be sadder than the guy making the decision. Not for me, it wouldn't, the bull it might be.

It's just sad all around, man. Like a very limp, old bull that is being conquered by Greg is somehow even more depressing than the guy who willingly signs up for the active bull with who has full lucidity. Right, we'd be a matched pair, me and the senile bull. Two limp bull bulls. Yeah.

What did you find out, Pablo, when you went on a hunt for how strange and unusual Russell Wilson is? Yeah, so the story is about the fact that I've been harboring one of the great details, I believe, in sports media, which is that Nate Tice, writer for the Athletic, son of Mike Tice, former Viking said coach was Russell Wilson's roommate in college and yet he had not been mined in the way that I thirstily voraciously mined him for information and what you realize is that

Russell Wilson is kind of a guy that all of us knew in college. I wonder if you guys had this guy in college who was sort of totally immune to the idea that everyone around him was cringing at how badly he wanted to be liked while also being bad at being liked and also being relentless in his pursuit of being liked. And so Russell Wilson is sort of a guy, Nate Tice told me, where they'd be on the road sitting on beds next to each other in like some Marriott courtyard somewhere before a football game. And Russell Wilson would say, Hey, do you want to watch this with me?

And he put on the TV and Nate Tice had unknowingly signed up to watch alongside Russell Wilson the college game day profile of Russell Wilson. At which point Russell Wilson turns to Nate Tyson and he says, So what'd you think? And he's that guy. That's who Russell Wilson is. And there are many more stories along those lines where Russell Wilson basically becomes to Nate Tyson, this politician that Nate Tyson is inadvertently writing speeches for. Because Russell Wilson is trying to figure out how can I charm, is literally a story in the episode how can I charm Dan Patrick because Dan Patrick gonna talk to me at this big game we have and Russell Wilson does not

listen to Dan Patrick's show but Nate Tice does and so Nate Tice is just feeding him oh yeah mention mention that bucket mention the buck whatever it is I don't know the reference but there's a there's a bucket that Dan Patrick always talks about and he's like mention that and so russia wilson is getting fed lines by his political speech writer nate ties because that's what russia wilson's been trying to do since he was eighteen years old put it on the poll juju at levitage show who do you like less the person trying

to hard to be liked or the person who doesn't care at all whether you like him or not because if i put them next to each other, Jremon Green and Russell Wilson, I think most people, the grand majority of people listening to this might deny that they care about being liked, but I think most people like to be liked, crave being liked, which is the more off-putting personality type because we do not like the sports figure who goes searching for that very much. Well, I think it raises this question, which I, by the way, there's a lot of self-loathing in me as I think about how badly I would like to be liked.

Let's be clear about that too. I want to just head that off at the pass. But I think when it comes to the idea of what is cool, right? Like who do we regard as cool in sports? Actually curious what you guys think. Who's the coolest person in sports? And why is that the case? Because Russell Wilson to me is definitionally not cool because he has the thirst, the transparent synthetic thirst

of wanting to be liked so badly, wanting to be cool so badly that it becomes so deeply uncool. Who is the coolest person in sports? Like when you go through in- Steph Curry's in that conversation for me at least. I don't think so, no. I think he's cool. No, I mean, you could like him, but I don't think people look at that and say cool, and I think his sneakers hurt him there.

Coolio Rodriguez. You become a Mariners fan all of a sudden. He is very cool. When did this happen? When did this- when did you become a... Oh nice. Name a second Mariners. Early this morning. I'm here to be quizzed. Mina is doing for Mike Ryan what Nate Tice was doing for Russell Wilson, just feeding lines about teams that he knows nothing about. No, Mike Ryan has pledged himself to learning something about a single baseball player every day this season. A single mariner. As you know, Big M's guy tried and supp.

I think Mitch Hannagar's back. Hmm. You might be trying to trick me. No, for real. Okay, well, I'll Google that. We're gonna play a game with Stugatz later, Met or Jet, to see just how little attention he is paying to all of his teams. But I want to play for Pablo, some sound here of Dirk Novitsky on Dwayne Wade's podcast, because I'm really surprised that we are now

old enough that these two guys are talking the way that Cornbread Maxwell used to talk about rivalries in the 80s because once upon a time, Pat Riley, it has been reported, fined players on his team if they helped opponents up from the floor. He used to be the coolest guy in sports, Pat Riley. Yes. And Dirk Nowitzki went on Dwayne Wade's podcast and they basically talked about the competition

being so fierce that they could not be friends. But honestly, I say this all the time, there can't always be friendships during the highest level competition. I mean, it's just not how it works. We were, I'm old school, I always wanted to win, but there was no love lost there at the beginning. And I remember in the old seven, the Ulster game was in Vegas. I think we were the only two Ulsters ever

on record the Not Shake Hands pregame. So there was definitely, yeah, there was definitely some cold times. And mind you, we've never had a conversation to this point. Exactly. What is that Pablo? Is that necessary? Which part of it is necessary? Any of of it so what I'm curious about do you guys remember?

I thought the real like most obvious Roof that these guys didn't like each other didn't de-weight in LeBron make fun of Dirk for being sick allegedly at like a presser the fake cough thing Yeah, and then walking into the arena and then he kicked their ass like a presser the fake cough thing and then walking into the arena and then he kicked their ass right so but what you're asking dad is like I guess what I'm asking here is if you go on a podcast decades later to talk about how much you disliked each other it feels like it kind of invalidates the entire premise of what was cool about your beef originally which is that it actually was a real thing that you guys genuinely disliked about each other. And now I'm just wondering, I guess

the question I'm asking is, well, really, it's if you have a podcast, you need to be cool. And maybe the answer to that is no at this point. Maybe the answer is that Dwayne Wade is definitely uncool because he's doing what we do now. But do you think that generationally, this is something like those are, they are now old heads, Novitsky and Dwayne Wade and they're talking about longing for a time when there was genuine animosity and I feel like Dremon is doing plenty in the genuine animosity department. I don't know if it's us. Is it a softer time has this thought like at the top of softer time has this thought like at the top of of the of the of all sports I'm assuming that these guys don't necessarily care for each other in in play So a lot of I thought that story with D wait and Dirk was that kind of Dirk was this outsider, right?

He was this euro who didn't come up through the system So D wait and LeBron through team USA through a you they got to be friends and today this pre-existing social bond and Dirk, definitionally, did not. And it seems like what's happening now as everybody knows each other earlier because of the internet, because of all of these tournaments, because of AAU, because of all of these sneaker companies and all of that. It just seems like, okay, there is less of that foreignness between them. But I would argue, Dan, and when it comes to the question of beef, the beef has simply become less top down. It's not just bottom up.

It's like now guys just clearly dislike each other because they don't like that guy, not because they are wearing a different jersey. It just feels like it's been democratized. Like, dislike is very obvious to me now on social media, watching games. games is not that guys like each other less it's that they just like each other of their own volition as opposed to the executive running my company and the laundry that i'm wearing is telling me

that i can't like this guy's just changed in that way i think what's coming up on public story finds out that you're excited about so today's episode is truly one of the grimeus that we've ever done. So Rick Petino is the guy, Dan, who is a Stride college basketball when it comes to one of the greatest coaches of all time. Of course he is. Multiple championships, lots of that everywhere. Are you stunned? What is happening? Are you as stunned as I am? They're just promoting He-Ha 3. Are you surprised as I am that he is back in the sport

at a level that's legitimate? So this is the question I had. Not just how is he back, this vampire, as you guys call him on the show all the time, back from Greece and Iona, back to St. John's, this deeply Catholic school. It's not just that. It's why is he being praised all of the time

by St. John's, by the priest who is the president of the school, as a role model, as an all-time role model. There's a crazy press conference he's introduced and the thing is, the thing that they want to communicate is he's not just the great coach, he's going to make an even bigger impact on the impact on the lives of these players. And so the question to me is does everybody just, do we just forget what he did, these scandals? Yes. The scandals, here's the problem with that, Stu.

The scandals that Rick Petino has had, there's one in particular, the Karen Cipher scandal, which I started reporting in 2009 at Sports Illustrated, which remains the craziest scandal I have ever heard about. Okay? I don't even know what you guys remember about it. What do you remember when I say Karen Cipher scandal? An abortion and a very, Okay? I don't even know what you guys remember about it. What do you remember when I say Karen Cipher's name?

An abortion and a very, and a very loyal employee to Rick Petino taking the hit on an abortion. So here's the thing about the loyalty and this is where the episode today begins and gets a lot deeper than just this surface level. The employee who drove Karen Cipher to get an abortion across state lines, okay, is Tim. His name is Tim. He is the equipment, he was, excuse me, he was a former private investigator who then became the equipment manager at Louisville.

Tim is tasked with doing that, okay? The thing about Tim is that within a year, he proceeds to marry Karen Cipher. Tim Cipher's last name is Cipher. She's Karen Cipher because of Tim Cipher. They get married, okay? Rick Petino's putting money into a college fund for their daughter, which they have. Rick Petino's priest is the priest who baptizes the child. She's around. And so all of the stuff about how she goes to prison eventually because she's trying to extort millions of dollars from Rick Petino, that is true,

deeply unreliable narrator. But the point is, Rick Petino has people around him who will do stuff for him that is out of this world. And so the question for me was, who are these people around this guy? And so when we fall into the rabbit hole of the Karen Cipher story, what we realize is that there are former federal agents in there. There are calls to our reporter that I assigned on this story.

Letters to his house. When we start looking into this, it gets really wild. And it just starts with that Karen Cipher thing and goes, yeah yeah a lot deeper than that Pablo Torrey finds out he is trying to dig deep dig deep into those rabbit holes journalistically thank you Pablo we'll talk to you later thank you guys