The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Listening and Looking with Stan Van Gundy

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

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Welcome to the Big Suey. Presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBoutard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there.

That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar. Yes, look at him, there he is! Yes! There he is, the man deadening! Yes, yes!

He's already fiddling with his camera. Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! He's already fiddling with his camera. We'll see if his audio works this time. He's an old man. Get your own gimmick, dude! He's an elder. He is now an elder officially. He has wisdoms about basketball to give us.

Stan, it is nice to see you. You are looking thin. That color looks lovely on you. What is that? Is that a light green? It certainly seems to be, yes You are looking thin. That color looks lovely on you. What is that? Is that a light green? It certainly seems to be, yes. Maybe a teal, Dan, maybe a teal. Okay, you've come in with the kind of energy

I expected to meet the moment here during the playoffs. You, we are always happy to see you. Where are you joining us from? Are you, you're in, you're ready for New York, Indiana again? Yes, in New York City, yep. Ready to go. Doesn't sound like it.

Stan, when Reggie floated that the Pacers should consider fouling there when the spread was three, when there were 33 seconds left and the two for one was still on the table, did your head explode? No, I mean, I think those are good things to think about. I think they're things that coaches talk about a lot. I mean, I know there was a situation earlier in the series where they were up five, and it was a situation where I was thinking, you know, Joe Mazzulli has talked about these situations where he would foul in those situations and take the three off the board. So these are things coaches are thinking about all the time. May overthink them at times, but I think they're certainly interesting to talk about. Stan, Isaiah Thomas, the younger

one, not the older one, at 3 50 a.m. this morning posted to his nearly 2 million followers. Man, when I'm on these flights I be farting so much LOL, especially these overseas flights it's all bad if you sit by me laughing emoji, your thoughts. I had Isaiah for a brief time in New Orleans and he is a great guy, loves the game and everything else. I have no specific thoughts on his farting. No, but I need some thoughts on the farder on the flight.

Like you can't be farting, like that's wildly inconsiderate and you saying he's a great guy He cannot be a great guy if that's what he does Okay, that's a fair point actually because that is that would be a tough thing if you're anywhere near him on that flight This is ridiculous Stan a plane farter can be a good person. That's not true That's not true. Well, I know I say is a very good person. Thank you Again, no, you cannot. Okay. Let's let's take Isaiah out of this person. Thank you. There you go. Confirmed. No, he cannot. OK, let's take Isaiah out of this.

What's your move when you need to fart on a plane? Do you just shove your ass as far into the cushion as possible to kind of stifle it? So much ambient noise. Bury it inside the cushion? Do you get up and go to the restroom? Do you just kind of try to put the silencer on it, let it out the side, and let people trying to figure out

who did it? Yeah, you just fake it. You just fake like you have no idea where the smell is coming from I'm headed I'm headed to the bathroom. It's a fart. Oh, come on. That's insane. That's a good guy Is that your final answer you're You're alleging here public I don't believe you. Oh, yeah. Well, let's see. Let's see. Hold on a second Okay, you don't believe him. All right, let's do this to him then, I think. Yo, chicken thighs. Chicken thighs!

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The one who was eating candy and beans all the time on these flights. Orlando Magic Stan. Orlando Magic Stan is getting up and going to the bathroom every time. Are you alleging here publicly for the first time that you have never farted on an airplane? I am not saying that. I mean sometimes you know you get one that sneaks out, but if I feel it coming on I'm going to the bathroom. All right so the one that sneaks out,

how do you react? Do you put your hand up, one off me coach? No, no way. You just sit in it? And which of the choices are you choosing? Are you choosing the side, you know the side missile? And which of the choices are you choosing? Are you choosing the side, you know, the side missile? Side missile. No, it just snuck out. So I'm not doing anything. Hmm. Side missile is a wild move. Have you ever looked around? People can see that from like Rosewell. Have you looked around? The lean, like the right hip kind of like.

Try to recognize faces like, oh man, Turkalu, look back. He thinks it's me. If it were Turkalu, he probably would have been the one anyway that everybody's just suspecting of. He looks like he just farted. He looks like it. You know what? That's so true. Let's beat Turcaloo. I'm all in.

All of sports history, guy who looks like he'd fart on the plane, Turcaloo. Who can beat my hand on? I'm all in with, I got a pair of Turcaloo's. Nobody can. Oh, wait. Wait, I got one for you. Oliver Miller. Wait a minute, Oliver Mill,

that's just somebody who's a little heavy. Yeah, that's messed up, man. Justin Boyle. That's just a straight. All right. Former Marlin's first baseman. No, I know, thank you, I appreciate. I know who you're speaking of,

but now we're just doing sizable human beings, right? It's either that or Shaggy, right? That's what we're doing with Turteloo. All right, Stan, we've missed you here and it's been a delight to hear you on the Pacers and Knicks, but I was, I was taken aback the other day because it was reported that you were going to Amazon. I thought everything was going great where you were

and I just didn't even know any of that was happening because you're one of the best broadcasters in the game. Amazon I thought everything was going great where you were and I just didn't even know any of that was happening because You're one of the best broadcasters in the game So how how or why is all of that happening and congratulations on the new gig? Are these your last games? Well, they're TMP's last games So, you know, we're we're headed out of the NBA business at the end of this series And so, you know, I had to find somewhere else to go. There's not very many things that I know anything about. And so if you're not doing NBA games,

I'm not of a lot of value. So it was, I had to, it was out of necessity. I had to find somewhere else to go. And I was very lucky that Amazon's willing to give me another opportunity. Well congratulations and I wanted to ask you in that series about the following because you love baseball and you love how it is in baseball the advanced metrics make it so that we really can do a good job of measuring individuals now in team sports. So when I say to you, I did not have before this Indiana series as the analysis that Jalen Brunson is going to be the biggest liability that's going to

be exposed and exploited in this series because if him and Cat are on the court at the same time Indiana is going to ravage them with math probabilities that expose Jalen Brunson as the worst defensive player remaining in the sport. Why wasn't that the analysis before the series and is that analysis more accurate now than it has been at any point during Indiana's run of the last two years? Well, I would say this. First of all, I think one of the things that because it's a 3-1 series that people are not,

I'm not going to say they're missing, but overlooking a little bit is all of these big games have been close. So they're right down to the wire. The margins are small. And so these things do matter. Okay, they do matter. But going in, I think that we were talking about, you know, Indiana's improved defense over the course of the year and certainly since January 1st, they were a top 10 defensive team.

And, you know, we talked about, I think because Tom Thibodeau is the coach there, everybody talks about the Knicks as if they're a good defensive team. And so I think what people didn't talk about enough is going back even to last year's series against each other. These two teams can't stop each other game three second half was a little different New York, you know was able to play some defense but other than that nobody in this matchup can guard anybody.

Both teams score at will. It's an offensive series. So, yes, are they exploiting Jalen Brunson and Carl Anthony Towns? Yeah. And New York is exploiting Miles Turner and whoever tries to guard Carl Anthony Towns, I mean, and whoever tries to guard Jalen Brunson, especially anyone other than Aaron Neesmith. So yeah, both teams are exploiting weaknesses on the other side, but it's not like Indiana is dominating this series. Coach, I'm curious, Anthony Edwards after game four said he didn't struggle. He just

made the plays that the defense made available to him. And so when you have your star player who's one of the immortals, one of the great players in the league, how do you tell him the balance between making the right play under normal circumstances versus buddy, we need to win. And sometimes you got to make the wrong play to make that happen. You know, listen, I think you always have to make the right play.

What that is, what the right play is, may change from situation to situation. I don't think it's ever the right play for a guy to just say, hey, I got to get a shot up. I don't care if they sent three defenders. I'm going to shoot a 22-foot fade away over three guys. I mean, that's not going to work percentage wise. I do think there are times where, you know, you can maybe force the issue a little bit more in certain situations because the rest of your teammates are struggling. It's always trying to make the right play, though.

It's just that that changes from situation to situation. I thought, you know, last night he certainly was very, very aggressive. You know, I don't think that's just the answer either. Listen, basketball is a game of decisions. The best players make the best decisions. I've argued this for a long time. People think it's all about athleticism and skill. And while those things are important, if you look, the guys who are the best and most efficient

players, they make the best decisions. That's why I thought, you know, and I'm biased. I know I coached him at the beginning of his career. It's one of the things that made great made Dwayne Wade as great as he was is he got to the shots that he could make consistently. And he got to those all the time and he stayed away from the other things. He was a great decision maker and really, really good down the stretch in games. I've thought for a long time that he's the best closer

that I've seen. You know, it's all about decisions. And I think if you go into a game and say, all right, tonight I've got to pass the ball, or tonight I've got to shoot the ball a lot. No, you have to react to situations on the floor. And I think that, you know, Tyrese Halliburton in our series did not think he was aggressive enough in game three.

I agree with that. I think you have to be aggressive to try to score. But if that second defender comes, you've got to give the ball up. I have to stop you right now. It's been a minute since he did the show with us. He's a little full of himself. He's big NBA voice and everything else. And so you can understand how Stan would come in here as a coach and talk to you about It's been a minute since he did the show with us. He's a little full of himself. He's big NBA voice and everything else.

And so you can understand how Stan would come in here as a coach and talk at us. But Stan doesn't mind a little constructive criticism. So you've told me two or three times during what you just said to listen. Do you think I can't hear you? Do you think I'm old and you need to shout at me, listen, listen again, or do you think

it makes your point better to tell me to listen even though I'm listening? Listening do you say listen several times more than you need to because I can hear you fine except for last time you were on with us when I couldn't because your audio blew. Oh, that was great. Absolutely great. So I will take the constructive criticism and try to take that out of what I am saying. It's got to be a tone fine, right? No, it's not a tone fine. It is though. It is something that I need from you here, though, Stan, because I want to continue doing this with you because I've loved doing this with you

over the years. The energy to meet the particular moment right now to tell me that just this is all over OKC is going to win. Why are we even talking about Stan series? Well, listen, I've said all year, see, I use the list of again, I caught myself that time though because you brought it up to me. But I have said all year that Oklahoma City would win the championship. I just they're the dominant team all year. I don't think you can just discount the regular season. This is 68 win team and they have an answer to every problem. Anyone poses you want to go big you want to go small. It doesn't matter.

They have all the answers on that bench. You want to go big, you want to go small. It doesn't matter. They have all the answers on that bench. Mark Degnault does a great job. They've got a true star. There's no one out there as good as they are. I do think they'll win it all no matter who wins our series here. But that doesn't mean that who wins this series here, but that doesn't mean that who wins this series doesn't matter.

Drew Hollandaise. What derails OKC? I'm not talking about this year, I'm talking about the next four years. Well, two things. I think number one, health. I mean, you just, you can't guarantee that ever. Okay, but give me another one other than health when I tell you that Jalen Williams is one of their

Not one of their top ten highest paid players like I'm asking you what derails it that's That's the second thing that comes up is you know, what's gonna happen with all these guys contracts? They're all gonna they're all gonna want max money You can't pay them all by the last time that you know, Oklahoma City went through this was back in, you know, Durant Hardin Westbrook, Serge Baca days and they parted with, you know, James Harden. It's hard. You're not going to be able to long term keep all of these guys together. And so you're going to have to make choices on who you have together and then who you

use to supplement those core players with. It's not an easy thing. Amin would know more about this than most people that haven't been in front offices at work. But this idea that we have this team and we're just going to keep them together for the next 10 years, that won't work financially. So a lot of hard decisions are going to have to be made. Are you going to max out, you know, Shegeltis Alexander, Jalen Williams, and Chet Holmgren? Well then you're not gonna have around them

for the long term the same group they have now. That's just not gonna be possible. Stan, the finances aside, let's just assume Clay Bennett decides he's got plenty of money and he wants to, he'll spend whatever it takes to luxury tax. How hard is it as a coach to get guys to buy into the roles that they were in

a year ago basically? Well you know it's really really difficult because look it's still a business and these guys want to make money and you start to have some success and get recognition. We're all trying to advance and get better which for basketball players Means bigger roles on teams and so guy who might be satisfied being your eighth man I'm not let's say case in walls. Okay, can I can I stand can I just stop you on this one? No, when you say hard decisions and everything I don't think these decisions are hard when you consider the way the system is gamed for the thunder not just now But in 25 they got two ones in a second in 26

They got two ones in a second in 27. They've got two ones two seconds in 28 They've got one one three seconds in 29 They've got one one and five seconds like you're gonna lose some of these players But you've increased the probability of replacing them with cheaper, better ones because you've got all of these draft picks to protect against health, money, and anything else. Well, look, there's no question they're set up well, but what they've got right now

is guys who are getting the job done. They're not gonna be able to retain all those guys. I think we know that. So now you're assuming that all of those draft picks are going to be able to come in and contribute the way that their recent draft picks have contributed. There's no guarantee of that. Listen, as great a job as Sam Presti has done in the draft, and I'm not sure anyone's done a better job ever in the draft than Sam Presti. You're going to miss on some guys over time.

That's just the way it goes. And when they do now, you don't have the quality of a bench, the quality of rotation that you have now. Are they set up? Well, yes. Will they be derailed? I don't think so. I think they're set up very well for the next four, five, six years.

But when you ask me what could derail them, that's what it is to me, not being able to, you know, have the continuity in your roster. Don Lebatard. You know how these late season games are. We don't know. It's a big game for the Knicks. We have absolutely no idea how Boston will play. I don't know who they a big game for the Knicks we have absolutely no idea how Boston will play I don't know who they'll play who they won't play Stugats okay all right that's fine that's an excellent promotion you know I love that that's great that's it that's perfect advertising the game the national game I was gonna watch now I'm not gonna watch. Holy shit, that was a shitty sales job. This is the Don LeBathard Show with the Stugarts. ["The Stugarts Show Theme"]

Paolo Banchero. Is going through the thunder or do we just pull that date out of the house? They're making, they're making jokes at my expense. They're taking basketball players. You know what? You want to delight Stan, go ahead and let them know. No, no, let's just go. We have a working doc. Look, there's a working doc here.

We're going to give them all to you, Stan. And as a fellow, you, you, you used to be a fat person. You know that this is the last place in America that people can attack someone in their insecurities publicly. There's a lot more places now. Well, this is- We're back.

Societal shift. The portal opened up, but this had been the safest space that no one objected to. You wanna make fun of somebody? Make fun of the old fat guy. That's an easy space. And now this is what they've been doing to me all show. Because he played basketball versus 17 year old.

I did play basketball recently against a 17 year old. And so they said my game, they're gonna give you an assortment of names here to choose from, you rank them. All right, we got Pele Larson, we got Carl Anthony Pounds, Kristaps Porkzingus, Jay Chowder,

Bradley Veal, Entree Drummond, Nemanja Bia Pizza. That's my favorite. We forced that one. I like it though. Entree Drummond. Miles McFries.

Gravy Dick. Let's see, Mitchell Slavenson. Man. Jason Tatumtots. Stan, what's your favorite? Oh my gosh. Those are all outstanding and it's really amazing that we have a group of people that can get paid good money

to do things like this all day. Good? I mean, there's a lot of things wrong with this country, but come on now, you can get paid for that. How about us? That's pretty damn good. Yeah, all right. Good on you. The seal of approval.

Orange Julius Randall. Mason Plumpling. That's a good one too. Thank you, I'm glad you guys have enjoyed this. The Oklahoma City Thunder though, Stan, this one in the modern age, in a league filled with narrative storylines you got to care about the people, the stars, or the thing.

They are going to be a champion it would appear that while not unlikely I thought this team was good enough last year to be a bigger challenge to everything that was happening in the sport than Dallas ended up being and I was surprised they lost last year this team is more set up than most even in a league that's random to do this for a while even understanding that none of these things are permanent because they are young and hungry and they do things the way the basketball purist in you loves it's not it's just about all efficiencies but great at defense don't

turn the ball over cause a lot of turnovers and you just can't beat their probabilities when they can beat you every single way. Well that's true. I, the thing to me, the great teams have an answer to everything. Now what they didn't have an answer to, and I'm not just talking about last year, but if you go even last year in the regular season and early in the year this year, they hadn't found an answer to Luka Dacic's Dallas teams, but Dallas decided to take that off the table for them.

So they have an answer to every question. I think that's really the issue when you get into the playoffs. Like even if you're trying to construct a team and we could do it right here and there's no limitations, you know, what kind of team do you want to put out there against them where you say, well, here's their vulnerability. If only you could do this, they're going to have an answer to all of it. That roster has not only got a lot of talent, it's really been expertly put together to handle all the problems. I mean, I thought sort of the missing piece from last year was going out and getting Hartenstein. So now they can play big against you. They can play

two bigs and they've got more depth. We saw it when Chet Holmgren was out early in the year, then they're still big enough to play. Jalen Williams as their third center, you know, would be a very good backup anywhere else. I just have a hard time identifying a weakness there. Luca Donchies. Not bad, not bad. You're laughing at your own joke. Yeah, I think it's good.

Stan, the thing that I think is going to be hard to talk about and hard to overcome is, OKC's point differential this playoffs they're winning by an average of eleven points per game it's the highest since the warriors of two thousand and seventeen were doing it thirteen points again i believe that's the team i was saying was the best i'd ever seen eight to uh... at point differential of eleven

when you've lost a game by forty two stand suggests that okc is a great deal better than everyone they're playing against this season and has been for a while only injury derails them from taking down whoever comes out of your conference there is no there is no other thing there that derails it correct i don't think so and to me they would almost have the injury would almost have to be to Shay Gilder's Alexander.

I think they could survive any other injury and win. Jalen Williams would obviously be a big loss. Chet Holmgren would be a big loss. But honestly, I think they would overcome either one of those losses. If Shay Gilder's Alexander goes down down then they're going to get beaten but other than that i think they'll they'll end up winning the championship there to be to go to versatile to well coach their habits are fantastic

uh... that i just don't see anything they keep in them from winning the championship coach i'm flying up to new york right after this to be there for game five. How do the Knicks avoid a funeral tonight? You know, here's the thing. I think everybody, it's probably a little overplayed, I mean, in terms of adjustments and schemes and rotations.

And especially as you get deeper in the series, a lot of it just comes down to, number one, your best players have to play great and number two it's the basics and for New York that's been more than obvious in this series the number one and by far the number one thing take care of the ball the turnovers are killing them so their most important offensive key tonight is take care of the ball their most important defensive key tonight is take care of the ball. Their most important defensive key tonight is take care of the ball. So Indiana is out not out in transition all the time and then their transition

defense has got to be a lot better when you're, we played it on the air the other night, when you're in the middle of a game four in the Eastern Conference Finals and your coach is having to implore you in the huddle to sprint back, sprint, sprint, sprint, something's going wrong if somebody's got to tell you. That's what you're saying in the huddle in game 47 on the second night of a back-to-back, you know, in the Eastern Conference Finals, a coach has got to beg you to run back. That won't get the job done. So take care of the ball, get back on defense,

and then they've got to figure out their pick-and-roll defense on Halliburton. There's such a contrast in the series. You watch Aaron Neesmith in particular get into Jalen Brunson. He's hard to screen because he's attached to Jalen Brunson. And then you watch McHale Bridges play Halliburton with an 8-foot cushion,

and Halliburton can go wherever he wants to go on the floor. I don't think the Knicks and McHale Bridges, in particular, have competed hard enough or physically enough against Tyrese Halliburton in the series. I think those are the things. And then obviously stay on the glass. All the basics are what it comes down to. On the other side, you've coached against Rick Carlisle for a long time. How surprised are you that Rick has kind of transformed himself from a kind of slow it

down possession calling coach to giving the keys to Tyrese and having an up tempo offense? Before you answer that though, because the great old man rant and Stan, you really loved getting this off your chest and I appreciate that you did so on this forum of your coach having to tell you to run hard in the Eastern Conference Finals. It offends you at your core in a way that I love you still care this way as an acerbic, grizzled, old, just former tyrant that run, run, run harder. The games are important. just an excellent rant by

you Stan so congratulations on just being totally musty you know how to take that coach no but it's true I mean like come on it's you know it's the simplest thing in the game and we you know this team's gonna play very fast to a means point look Rick Carlisle is certainly evolved But I said this on the air the other night and it it's something I believe for a long time How much a team runs is really not going to be determined by the coach in your philosophy? It's going to be determined by who your point guard is Tyrese Halliburton you're gonna run and the reason you're gonna run is not only does he get the ball up the floor quickly,

that's a natural thing from him, but he will throw the ball ahead to other people. So other people are gonna wanna run because they know they're gonna get the ball and have a chance to score. When I was coming in, it was Jason Kidd when I was first in the league. Jason Kidd, it didn't matter what team he went to, that team was going to run. Didn't matter who his head coach was. That team was going to run because Jason Kidd was going to push the ball and if you were open ahead of him, he was going to give you the ball. So guys ran hard. If you have a guard who's going to pound the ball and will not

throw the ball ahead, guys are like, why am I going to run down the floor? I'm not getting the ball anyway. And so you're going to be a half-court team. I think point guards determine tempo. I don't think there's a coach out there that doesn't want to run. I really don't. I think we all understand that our most efficient offense is

going to be before the defense is set. But it's a matter of do I have the person who can make that system work? Is he going to push the ball? Will he throw it ahead? And will he take care of the ball and make good decisions? Well, we were talking the other night on the air, like what was the most impressive thing about Halliburton's game four? To me, the most impressive thing about Halliburton's game for to me? The most impressive thing was zero turnovers

And it's the thing that has impressed me the most about Halliburton throughout his career is this is the guy who? Takes care of the ball and not a guy who's just playing it safe to take care of the ball This isn't a guy who walks it up the floor and just makes the pass from the point to the wing and doesn't, this guy's a creative passer who also scores the ball, high usage rate, does not turn the ball over and makes quick decisions. He's not a ball dominant guy. Look, I mean, if you went around the league and just started asking players, I'm not sure

there's a guy that any wing or big guy would rather play with in the league as a point guard than Tyrese Halibut. All right, Stan, I've got to stop you because you said I mean and it sounded like you were saying I mean, but that's not even the offensive part. After again, I just corrected your moments ago. I said, do you think I can hear you because you said listen to me several times now now you offend me even more because you've asked me several times now look look.

I can't see you say are you of the opinion that I need to look because I am looking elsewhere or that I can't see you. You know Dan the thing that's really nice about coming on your show is to be able to come on and give you just, I mean, pearl after pearl of wisdom here, okay? And then still be criticized for it. It's really, it's really enjoyable. This is one thing I wanted to ask you before you left here today. I want you as somebody who enjoys all of the analysis and you know a great deal about why and how things happen But some things are out of your control if the shot that Halliburton made that bounced over the shot clock

And with and went in if I asked Halliburton to take that shot 10,000 times. How many of those 10,000 times would that shot go that high and go that way and then drop through without touching any part of the rim out of 10,000 tries? Luau al dente. Once, twice, maybe. Zero.

Zero is the answer. So zero may be the answer. As soon as I saw it, everybody started talking about Kawhi's shot. Of course, coming from where I come from, I was thinking about Alan Houston against the Knicks. Oh, yeah. The ball bouncing up and going in.

I said Don Nelson, too. You know, it's just sometimes, what's that? Don Nelson, 1969 is what I said. I mean, you weren't around in 1969, all right, my man? Like, ooh, he hit you with a my man. He hit you. You know, there's no way you were around in 69. I mean, I appreciate your knowledge

of the history of the game, but you didn't see that shot. You weren't there, hot shot. Hey, I'm an old soul, and video exists. Stan, put it on the poll, please, at Levitard Show. There's no way you were around in 69, my man, at Levitard Show, yes or no. Stan, it is nice to see you. I do indeed see you.

It is nice to hear you as well. Nice seeing your smiling face sir And it has been a pleasure to you You guys are going out with a bang like if these are the last games for TNT TNT does it the best till the very end Because all of this stuff has been wildly entertaining to watch well listen Dan. I really appreciated looking at you today Good seeing you Stan I Love you it was fantastic. Good seeing you, Stan. I love you. You know that we love you.

Before we get to Tim Kirchian, who is very popular around here, because he's gonna join us here in a second, I did wanna ask you guys what you thought of Terry Bradshaw, Terry Bradshaw, as stealer of voice as there is for 50 years, saying it is a joke that the Steelers would be entertaining the possibility of Aaron Rodgers for a season.

That Mike Tomlin, who wins every single season without Aaron Rodgers, would make a one year bet on Aaron Rodgers will be a better quarterback than the rest. What did you make of Terry Bradshaw, who's now over 80, if that means anything, like I said, a voice for this town for half a century. I don't think he's wrong. I don't think he's wrong at all.

I mean, I can get the logic of, yes, he could go with one of his other quarterbacks, produce a winning season, as he's done throughout his entirety of his career as a head coach. But to get different results, you gotta do something different. It is not off to a good start.

I am not a believer that Aaron Rogers is going to be the antidote that takes the Pittsburgh Steelers to Super Bowl contention. I think he's passed his prime. I don't think he's that player. I also think the level of leader that you would need to be to come into this situation and have those results has also passed him. He has other interests that are off the field and at that age to be the very best, you have to be locked in on solely being the best football player because it takes more out of you at

the age he is. Like I said, that being said, for Mike Tomlin, you got to do something crazy because right now the worst thing you could do is to do what you have continued to do for the past Four or five years or however long ben roethlisberger has been out of that building if criticizing aaron rogers were cool Consider terry bradshaw miles davis. He's been doing this for years. There's something going on there That is deeper than superficial value. He criticized his reaction to the drafting of love. He's called his footwork the worst among starting quarterbacks. He crushed him for the vaccination thing in 2021. Terry Bradshaw has made it very clear. He does not like Aaron Rodgers.

Can I place in front of you though, the idea of somebody who's a grandpa for a region, somebody in Terry Bradshaw who's been passed down to the most stable franchise in sports. They've had what, three coaches? Like what Pittsburgh means to that city, Terry Bradshaw is the lead voice for 50 years on, I'm the reason this city cares about sports this way. When that's the voice filing the criticism from his 80s, I'm asking you, what's the impact of calling this a joke

when that's the voice? I don't think it's a huge impact. Yes, Terry Brasher has a huge voice in Pittsburgh, and we understand what he represents there in that city, but at the same time, there've been other times where Terry has made comments that, depending on where the fan base is, it does roll off the back.

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