The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Mike Ryan's No Comment (feat. Lucy Rohden)

Episode Date: April 15, 2025

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DraftKings, the crown is yours. So anyways, through God's, in the ramble of social media shame that I was talking about, one of the points I meant to make as I staggered and stumbled and rambled about is just sort of about a lack of confidence, how social media can affect you if you are in a state that lacks confidence. And I don't think I've said to anyone around here more than I've actually said to Jessica when we're in breaks apologizing for something because

I'm like, man, I just don't have my confidence where it needs to be today and so something that happened in the first hour that perhaps nobody would have noticed but that I couldn't help but notice is that I was I was just sort of sloppy in a way that I was Forgetting to get to Miami Heat talk in the local hour I I normally have and I don't know if it's Jeremy that did this to me, just his face, but I actually wanted in the local hour

to talk about simply a play-in game against Chicago that they will lose late after leading because they can't do anything late in games because they have a systemic problem of, Barry Jackson did a very good deep dive on the data where they're really bad five feet from the rim, they don't get fouls, and in late in games, they got no chance because they don't have

the kind of shot maker you need at the end of games. They're worst in the league at the end of games, and if you're worst in the league at the end of games, you've got no shot in that league, and so you're not going to do anything and so while I would like to think that they can beat Chicago and want to hope in in one more game of season the the metrics on this team are damning and when you read the Terry Rozier stats I imagine it has to make Mike Ryan a version of crazy to see everything that is happening with the Miami Heat

and have Terry Rozier flame out in a way that like Eric Reid is just baffled. Eric Reid is watching the game. Eric Reid, Eric Reid in the history of this market, there have been no voices, I would say, not a one. Maybe fellow Ramirez, I don't even know not a lot that are associated with the team the way that guy is and associated the way that team would want him to behave as a broadcaster which is uh...

professional but you're going to be pretty fiercely protective of the heat you're going to be uh... somebody who can somehow be a broadcast professional who is credible, but everyone knows he's really rooting hard for the heat. He can't even hide it. I'm the third biggest homer in the market. Every regional broadcaster, right? I mean, every regional broadcaster is broadcasting for their team.

Okay, but- Go ahead, do your thing, Jeremy. You want me? I will. Even he was confused and sort of angry at Terry Rosier Oh my god I've never heard Eric Reid talk about a player the way that he has with Terry which is just simply over and over again being like man nobody

Wants it more than Terry. He's trying so hard and Nothing is going in the hoop for him. I mean, it was those types of exasperated calls all year long. Just one, I think what he might've said in the last game was I've never seen a good player have as bad of a season for the Heat as Terry Rozier. So still couching it with good player,

because he's been a good player his whole career, this season was miserable. I wonder what the Heat's metrics would be if you just simply removed Terry Rozier from them. But Dan is saying that this must drive Mike crazy. Mike feels vindicated. Mike's got his feet up on the table. What I forgot, this is what I forgot, okay?

That Mike is, as a sports fan, the single biggest fan there is on Earth of being right. And he nailed this one. He learned that from us, Dan. Not only did he nail this one, though, he nailed this one, and this is what I'm worried about. He's playing both sides on the Panthers and Marchand, where he wants them to win the trophy,

but if they don't, he's got the person to blame. Yeah, that's Mike. Like that, that, that, he is, he is ready to pounce on the Panthers with the ego and arrogance of I was right about Marchand in a way that makes me think he's now rooting against the Panthers. I'm now looking at his face and what I see is someone who might actually be rooting against the Panthers to defend their title.

What happens if they win, Mike? What do you, do you praise them? Well, then he wins. It's the perfect position. It's a win-win. It is. He's, wait a minute. He's figured something out formulaically in the talking about games of how it is to immediately seize on the new traded players so that you can have a scapegoat at the end of it but i'm trying to figure out how we could have been more right about rosier the local broadcaster like that's that's for him spitting acid i remember one time i'd i'd still laugh with zazzle about this

i'll text it to everyone so well there was a loose ball wants and uh... eric reid was trying to uh... frame it with the proper enthusiasm during a bad season and uh... with a player that was mediocre and so there was a pause in his professionalism for just a moment an uncomfortable moment loose ball heat player falls down heat don't get the ball, and Eric Reid gets a little carried away and he goes,

and Samaki Walker is a contributor! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha It's just sort of like, I know you guys know what I know here, and I'm just going to wrap it in some heat gift wrapping. Well, if you want to talk contributors, Dan, Kyle Anderson has been great the last 15 games. Can't believe Eric Reid did that to slow-mo. All right, I'm not going to do the heat talk anymore, unless Mike Ryan wants to gloat one time here. I'm totally checked out.

I'll watch the game, they'll lose, and hopefully they won't. You won't watch the game. No, I'm not gonna watch the game. Of course you won't. You haven't watched the game in like two and a half years. The game's tomorrow? Yeah, Wednesday night. I got a thing.

You want some stats to try to convince you that the thing can happen? Because I compiled a bunch just to try to convince you that the thing could happen. I don't know if I believe it or not. What's the thing? They could do the run, again. You wanna hear it? You wanna hear why? I've compiled a bunch just to try to convince you that the thing could happen. I don't know if I believe it or not. What's the thing? Beating the bulls? They could do the run again.

No. You want to hear it? You want to hear why? I've compiled a whole bunch of them because remember? Everyone said no, but you kept going. Well, Stu Gatz eventually said yes because I badgered him enough. I think we'll get it over quickly

if we just let them do it. Yeah. That's the faster route. That's been my whole approach. Get your shots up, Kay. All right, let's do it. You know, in the last 15 games, the Miami Heat are fifth in net rating, only behind

the Clippers, Thunder, Celtics, and Wolves. And you know that when it comes to making a run like they did in 2022-23, it's about shooting well from three. Remember, in that season, they shot just 35% from three, ultimately ticked up to 45% in the playoffs. If you look at the Heat this season, they were shooting about 36% throughout the year, but over those last 13 games, 40% from three.

Now that means they've gone nine and three over that stretch, nine and three this season with this group post-trade deadline shooting 40% from three. Dan, you have thoughts on this? Jessica, I'm sorry is one of the thoughts that I have. One of the things that I would like to do with you though, if we must insist on you giving all of the Heat Homerism, is that I on like to do with you though, if we must insist on you giving all of the heat homerism, is that I on the other side will just read some things from Barry Jackson's article that are less positive

than that, perfect for you, not for Jessica, not for anyone else listening to this. Can we do some sort of Chicago Miami wager, like if Chicago wins, I get the week off work, if Miami wins, we don't have to hear about from Jeremy for the rest of the playoffs. Well, that doesn't feel very fair. Wow.

Those are some serious stakes. I'm okay at talking about the other teams. I'm rooting hard for the Heat. I mean. I think I might be too. During the final five minutes of games with a margin of five points or fewer, the NBA's definition of clutch,

the Heat was outscored by 61 points, only Toronto and Utah were worse, shot 39.9 percent from the field fifth worse and shot a dreadful twenty five point six percent on threes only Orlando was worse no wonder the heat was eighteen and twenty four in those games one of the things that always happens in this sport and this was interesting to hear Denver's owner Cronke talk about this on why he was about to fire Malone he was about to fire everybody and then Denver went on an eight game winning streak during that eight game winning streak they beat no winning

teams except for Orlando and so they decided not to fire them then masked by the schedule right it's not they didn't get any better they can't fire someone after eight consecutive wins I don't care who they come against. No that's what what Cronkite said. He said, which is worse, a few games before the end of the season or in the middle of an eight-game winning streak? Put it on the poll at LeBattard Show, can you fire someone during an eight-game winning streak? Well, a lot of your stats there, Dan, actually lead right to mine because to me, it seems like the Heat were one of those teams that got severely unlucky toward the end of games

this season. You know, you talk about a season where they're 3-11 in games decided by three points or fewer. That's not only the most losses in the league in games decided by three points or fewer, that's the most in team history. They have 17 losses by five points or fewer. So in all of these games, but sometime the bounce goes the wrong way. They had 14 of those losses in 2023. So if you're keeping track,

you're looking at a team that lost a lot of close games, is getting hot from three. There's the defensive side, Dan, but I imagine you might wanna counter some of that. All right, well, but just, they were bad late in games, and so they lost close games late. Those stats were just like, they lost a lot of games by five.

Yes. They lost a lot of games by three. But he's saying their luck's gonna change. I mean, it has to change. It has to change eventually. It changed in 23. What I'm saying is that that's not luck. I'm getting there.

It's not luck. It's just what I'm saying is this is what happens when you're bad at the end of the game. Well, this is what happens when your team's decimated by your superstar tanking games. So they're trying to get out of here. So look, here, look, this is. Please don't invoke his name.

I didn't, I didn't. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not this is it. Please don't invoke his name. I didn't I didn't I did it I'm not gonna do it. It's just simply Quantifiable getting free throws late is really valuable in this sport in close games to slow the game down and just getting points at the line Rozier shot 29.5 percent on threes which was tied with Franz Wagner for second worst among 174 qualifiers. Was it the Wagner that got you? Was it just Franz?

It was the percentage. The percentage. The percentage. I love the Wagner. That helped too. Well, but I was so tempted to pronounce it Wagner. But Wagner puts an extra little flair on, holy shit, Terry, you were bad,

because this is a comically funny name for a bad basketball player, Franz Wagner. It's a great name for a movie villain. I mean, it is. He's solid, especially when directly compared to Terry Rosier. Put it on the poll, does Franz Wagner sound like a movie villain?

He does. Ahead of only Spurs rookie defensive wizard, Stefan Kassel. And then here he goes in on, as Heat TV announcer Eric Reid said Sunday, it's difficult to think of a good player who had the sudden in his prime regression to the extent Rozier did.

And then this is the killer. Rozier has one season left on his deal at $26.7 million. Nothing better than a big expiring contract, Dan O. Puts you in a good position to move it this off season potentially. And the good news for the heat going into this play-in, Terry Rozier will not likely see the floor unless there are several injuries that happen

in the next 24 hours, because he is out of the rotation. And I told you, they're shooting 40% from three over their last 13 games. They're not playing well in these close games, but you know what it takes to win in the playoff stand? What do they say? What do they always say?

Defense wins championships, right, Stugats? Defense wins championships. Well, in their last 15 games, the Heat are fourth in the NBA defensive rating. Nobody in the NBA this season in clutch moments, so you talk about the Heat struggling on offense, no one in the NBA has more steals in clutch time than Bam Adebayo.

He's the best one-on-one defender in the league. Of the 94 players who have defended at least 100 isolations this season, Adebayo ranks number two in the league with.69 points per game to ball handlers and since becoming a starter he's the very best in isolation defense. They also have one of the best pick and roll defenders in the league on their team and Davion Mitchell of the 116 players who have defended at least 500 pick and rolls on the ball this season he ranks number three allowing .88 points per game and if you combine Davion Mitchell and Kalel Ware

defending the pick and roll, for instance, they've allowed just.68 points per game in the pick and roll, something that the Cleveland Cavaliers do quite often with Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland at the top of the key alongside Evan Movley. So if you're looking for something that could be a recipe for upsets come the postseason. It's a team that can get hot from three.

It's a team that can play defense. It's a team that can get hot from three. It's a team that can play defense. It's a team that can defend you one on one. And as a team, they have the fourth best net rating in the last 15 games. They've lost a lot of close games. That luck can change. Dan, just like in 2023, the possibility is there for one of those runs for the Miami Heat.

Chris Cody yawned three times during that. That's on me though. Mike was taking notes though. I made a really cool S. It's an S. Dan, you okay? It seems like I might have taken something out of you. I always wanted to know how to make more of those because I have a lot of S's in my name.

And so when I would doodle the S's I'd be like, well, what about the J and the E? I can make more. How do you make a J like that? How much more are you going to talk? That's it. I just gave you everything. I mean, you should be convinced, well, what about the J and the E? I can make more. How do you make a J like that? How much more are you gonna talk? That's it, I just gave you everything. I mean, you should be convinced by now, right? Right? I genuinely didn't hear anything.

I know, you didn't listen to anything. It's all right. Just like you didn't watch the games, and that's okay. They're bad, but maybe they won't be. I took offense to calling Terry Rosie a good player. Like when the whole point is hard to think of a good player that has this kind of regression during their prime. Yeah, I solved your riddle, my guys. He's of a good player that has this kind of regression during their prime. Yeah, I solved your riddle, my guys.

He's not a good player. Nobody likes the guy who does my guys there. And Jeremy, we all had, I believe, you're still muffling a yawn, Chris Cody. Chris Cody. Like I said, this is on me though, I had a late night. Is it? It was boring. What Jeremy is doing right now great night for women what Jeremy is doing right now is

both reading and math Which I believe our audience is allergic to listening to that into microphones But he is also doing reading and math at a rate that is way too fast way too Energetic way too happy. Oh, I can slow it down if you'd like. You want me to talk again about Kloewaer and Davion Mitchell averaging.68 points per possession on the pick and roll defense or? No, no, I would like you to be quiet for a second

because all of us, I'm gonna say that it feels like the show has been tasered. Okay? And so I just need everyone to settle down and I need to gather myself in a segment. I started this segment by telling you I'm leaking confidence. Like, hold on, Jeremy, don't raise your hand to talk again.

I was gonna defend you in the tasers. Please, Jeremy, just let me help you here, okay? Just slightly. I wanna help you with me, with the audience, with everybody, okay? You have to understand something that's happened around here, because we're headed into the hockey playoffs and this show's about to get obnoxious again

and we're gonna alienate audience. Don't love leaking confidence and alienating audience. Don't love that. It's not how this show was built. No, correct. So let's- We've had a good run alienating this audience. Okay, listen. Yes, we have had a good run. But we've done it with confidence. Yes. So 20 years in to this thing, and again, I want to apologize to Jessica, just in general.

Jessica, I'm apologizing to you for Heat Talk. Again, that you're in the middle of talk about the Heat again, when there are a million things about the playoffs that are interesting, the Heat are not one of them. And so, to be leaking confidence to start talking the miami heat simply cuz it's the wheelhouse it's it's been the wheelhouse for twenty years we miss it so much it's why mike is so angry it's why when i read math and tell you

among more than seventy five nb a point guards only eight shot worse within five feet of the basket than Terry Rozier Who shot fifty five point two percent? Which is what makes my crazy? Being right makes me great Buzzin right now I feels great This dude was so bad from the job He was right on Terry as an out of Panthers, don't advance in the playoffs.

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Miller Brewing Company Milwaukee, Wisconsin 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Don LeBretard. He seems like a not nice guy and he's always been a not nice guy. I don't care for him and I hope he has the day he deserves. Oh, Stugats. I hope he has the day he deserves. That's how I get people when they're really mean to me. I'm not like go f yourself. I'm like I hope you have the day you deserve. It's a great kind insult. It's beautiful. It's leaving it to the cosmos to sort it out.

That's a less southern bless your heart. This is the Don LeVar Tar Show with the StuGats. I have an idea though, Dan. There's another woman here that you can apologize to for too much Miami hurricanes talk and it's Lucy. Ah, it's a big day for women. It's a look. She's wearing hurricane colors. She's wearing she's wearing hurricane colors because Katy Perry went to space.

Oh, she did. What did you do? Yeah, we I saw a great joke that like she started singing. That's where they came back so fast. Ha ha ha! Thanks for laughing. I didn't come up with that. I want to give credit to whoever said it,

but I can't remember. Well, you're not giving the credit. You just took it. Well, I can't remember who said it, but I'm not saying that I said it. Why did you say what, why did you say, why was it a great day for women? You had the WNBA draft, hockey's not playing games.

I thought you meant today. No, both, all of it. Well, we're here talking, we're celebrating women. That's how Jessica decided to introduce you. What? I'm a little lost here. On behalf of Mike Ryan, he would like to apologize for being so annoying about the Miami hurricanes

for the last forever, and also Dan wants to apologize for being annoying about the Miami Heat. Do you accept? No. Okay, well now I'm really stuck. But I think it's a good first step. Okay, well what else needs to be done? Because I feel-

Did you get us gifts? I feel, well, here's the thing. I feel like- Raises? I feel like- She's shameless, Dan. You guys, yeah, I thought you were Sougats. I thought that you guys were going to speak

for the audience here, that Jessica and Lucy would look at me and Mike and Parakeet Cortez and Jeremy and all of these heat homers around here and hurricane homers, and that the two of you would enjoy mocking us because we're not in a great place. Well yeah, but we do that all the time, but then you just keep yapping anyways. It doesn't even serve a purpose.

That's right. It was like a year of be mocking you. I had to move because it wasn't working. Is it better now that you're in New York? Oh, yeah, no one talks about Miami at all. I'm going to take some notes. I'm taking notes back here. All right. Can we can we make the giant bet?

Can we make the giant bet? What are the stakes on the giant bet here, Jessica? If Chicago and Miami play in Wednesday's play-in game you can move to New York too? Sure. And what do I... Wait but what? But if Miami wins I can't? I like to keep my options open. Wait so if Miami wins you have to stay? Okay. Right. You sure? I don't know Jeremy's... I wasn't listening to him but it sounds like he thinks they're going to win. But he always thinks they're going to win. Right. I don't know if they I wasn't listening to him, but it sounds like he thinks they're gonna win But he always thinks they're gonna win right. I don't know if they'll win the one game. Oh, all right. I got taste It is

Okay, Jeremy just stay in the corner for a second. Let me get to Lucy here She was at the WNBA draft last night and there are a number of different things that I want to talk to her about but it was a glamorous night and having the sports night to yourself really where it's just baseball and stuff like it was a real celebration of the sport that was cool to watch. No yeah it's it's cool to see the way this event has kind of progressed through the years and I think specifically what I love the most is like objectively I'm just gonna say it,

drafts are like maybe not the most interesting thing in the world. You're just like saying a name, but to see the way that like the WNBA does such a good job of like combining the culture and the fashion and really just making this a celebration of the sport is super fun. And my personal favorite thing

was to see the fashion of the night because like just, you know, 10, 15 15 years ago the dress code was business casual so everyone looked like they were taking a LinkedIn headshot when they were getting drafted. And now it's some of the most beautiful fashion you've ever seen. Like Kiki looks like a goddess. She was ethereal walking through the place. Paged an outfit change halfway through looked phenomenal. Georgia Amor was styled by Russell Westbrook. Like the whole thing was just so phenomenal to see and it is such a benchmark of just how far this league in this event has come. Well can we talk about that part though because the NBA got popular at least in here

somewhere. They were good, the NBA was, at creating image. Like the sneaker business is fashion. The whole thing is built on how do we present russell westbrook is a that you know fashion icon even though many people will laugh at the way he often dresses is so that the idea that they can be trendsetters on fashion to and culture is is where it is you see that the sport arrives because everyone is talking about oh what an amazing party they threw and everyone looks fantastic and it and and you can you know you you can watch it and just an enjoy and a celebration but many people are also doing what I'm not capable of doing which is breaking that

breaking down that draft and and what the surprises were like what were the things that were dramatic I can't speak to that. I don't know enough about the league. Well, one through four was expected. That played out pretty much exactly how everything was sort of like mocked out to be. Things got kind of weird with the Valkyries pick with the girl I think, I can't remember exactly,

from Lithuania. Tahina Pow Pow dropped, Cheyenne Sellers dropped. Like you were seeing people really move in directions that I wasn't expecting it. I wanna highlight that I think the Mystics had a great draft. I was really, really impressed with what the Mystics did. Obviously you have what, four, five, six, so you're at a pretty good spot with Sonja Citron, Kiki,

Georgia Amor was just a like collective real bunch of like that that franchise really needs a spark of life and I think they got it and I think something that actually goes back to your point earlier just about kind of the culture and what makes it so cool is that it's interesting to see the way that TikTok has really factored into this because this morning I was scrolling and like so much of my feed was direct player to media content of getting ready for the draft. Here's how I put my outfit together. Here's what the experience is like.

And I think that's really opened up the doors for the culture to become just like such a phenomenon within the WNBA. And it was really cool to see how everything came together. Lucy, I have a question for you. Cause on TV, it seems like the audience, this year's in Hudson Yards was like way bigger than last year where I was in Brooklyn

and like a Brooklyn Music Hall, I think, something, I can't remember what the venue's called, but it's a lot smaller. This year's a lot bigger. And you have like Ryan Ruko and Lobo and Andrea Carter on the desk and they're talking, and they did the same thing last year too, but last year seemed like it was a little bit more smaller,

intimate. This is like a big venue and there's people at round tables and like lots of people in the audience, but on TV it seemed like everyone in the audience was just silent while they were doing the draft analysis. And it seemed like if I were there, it would be a little awkward. Did it seem awkward at all?

Well, bad dudes, they wouldn't let us into the actual draft. So we watched the whole thing on a TV in the past. You're not supposed to give that up, Lucy. You're supposed to do that privately. That's not ethical journalism. No, but it wasn't our fault. It was not our fault. Wait a minute.

That is not ethical journalism. It wasn't incompetence. No, it wasn't our fault. We didn't do it wrong. We just didn't get the credential. I mean, that makes sense. There were a lot of people. So I don't even know. Well, it wasn't our fault. We didn't do it wrong. It's just like we just didn't get the credential. I mean, that makes sense. There were a lot of people. So I don't even know. Well, it seemed awkward.

And the fashion was great. And Lucy's defense, the people that are sitting at the round tables are like the players, their parents, Geno Ariyema, Don Staley. Like, it's all coaches. Like, it's it's very, very, you know, front facing WNBA and like college basketball people. And Lucy, I imagine will be there soon, but maybe not this year.

Yeah, I didn't get the cut this year. And last year, I don't even think I really got the cut. Like last year was just a little more lax. But what I remember from last year was like, the energy is like a little lower. It's not like the NFL draft, where the NFL draft is so fan focused and it's so heavy on drinking. Like it's a, it's kind of a big party where this is definitely

way more of a formal event. The energy you really get is when teammates get drafted. And so when everyone brings in their teammates and you're just like rooting on for your friends, like that's awesome. Like Caitlin Chen was sort of the moment of the night of just like excited. The vibes are so high, but it's,'s you know like objectively drafts are like just kind of weird you know there's like calling names it's a weird process but everybody looked fabulous it looks fun from the outside love to be in one day love to see it in person I want some expertise from you on college football as well have you checked out the Atlantic's or

no I'm sorry the athletics 44 page open document request on Belichick and his girlfriend have you checked that story out? No I haven't but I will I love her. What do you love about her? That she's a hustler that she is just like women in sports I love it like she just I don't know she's fascinating to That she's a hustler, that she is just like women in sports. I love it. Like she just, I don't know, she's fascinating to me. She's just like showed up and taken this whole thing by storm and like, is it probably gonna be a disaster? Absolutely, but it's kind of one of those things.

I'm like, I need her to get a reality TV deal. The real housewives of Chapel Hill, please. That's a great idea. Chapel Bell. Chapel bill. Chapel bill they trademarked that. How have you not seen this story? You're not going behind a paywall? I would think that this would be exactly your kind of story. They're not. When did it get published? Today. Okay well I was kind of busy doing this. It's it's okay. So were we. He's not blaming you.

And I was at the W draft last night. Well, you were on the outside looking in, but yeah. It got published two hours ago, so maybe there's a little bit of a grace period. Okay. Yeah, two hours? That's crazy. It's just the big story of the day, that's all.

I just thought you'd know about it. Actually, Dan, you probably shouldn't talk about it. It's kind of a spoiler. Ah! Ah! I mean, he's, you got, Actually, then you probably shouldn't talk about it. It's kind of a spoiler You got that is an excellent tool can I have it Can you take it for a walk Dan? Can you give me that? I'm afraid that I'm gonna give you what?

I'm gonna I think I'm just gonna hit Jeremy with it all the time and it's gonna be abusive Did you have any thoughts maybe you didn't catch this either JD Vance dropping the trophy yesterday Maybe you missed this because you were very busy with the WNBA draft and talking talking to sponsors and schmoozing No, I did see that because that was just like that popped up on the TikTok feed for sure. That's not 44 pages. Yeah, no, thank God. 44 pages? Oh my God. I can't.

I'm already reading another book. You're not going to read the article, are you, Lucy? You're not going to go behind the paywall, are you? You know what? No, I will because I believe, don't we have a company subscription? We do. Oh, there we go.

See, I don't even have to worry about it. I don't believe you'll send out the email to get the password. I don't believe you'll do anything to go find the story. Hey, Jess, do you have it? It's the account's password. Yeah, I got you. Don't worry, I got you.

Easy. Also, PFF Premium. I've been deep in the Nico Iyama-Leava PFF Premium. I want to get to that story with you, too. So JD Vance dropping the trophy. What do you got? It was just, like, emblematic. It was just, that's life.

That's college football right now. Like, you just couldn't have scrapped it out better yourself. And it's just stay away from my stuff. Leave me alone. You break everything. You ruin everything. You were the worst. Here, here. What are your thoughts on Nico, Lucy? It's obviously the topic du jour. In North Carolina it seemed like maybe he was in the running for landing him, but now it looks like they're going to get South Alabama's quarterback in the portal. So where is he

going to end up? I have no clue where he ends up. It's such a weird sort of situation where there are limits to where he ends up because it's the spring portal where he now has no access to transfer to the SEC. You can but you'll sit out here and with the amount of money he's asking for he wants 4 million. He was making 2.4 million per year at Tennessee. I don't know. And I don't know what schools' financial situations are.

Some of this stuff is kind of private. I don't know who's going to be able to pay that. Having a lot of these rosters have already been kind of set. A lot of these things have already been sort of figured out for schools. They've already made that investment into quarterback. And my thing with Nico is he's not worth $4 million in my opinion. I want everyone to get paid. I want players to make money.

But that's kind of a crazy ass from Nico when he was 10th SEC in passing yards this year. This was a Tennessee offense that was not fun to watch. The whole thing was just kind of a crazy, like the vibe I got was like, someone's getting bad advice here. And it's weird to see. And like, it's very much like what's happening in my sport, even though this stuff has always been happening. I have no idea where he ends up.

It's such a crazy situation. And I've heard that like when he was testing the markets, obviously his agent is reaching out to different places, that players were able to use that to get more money and to solidify their spot. So like he's not even getting these opportunities. It's just crazy. It's nuts. Okay. So when you say this though, because I want to examine the macro on this, it does seem crazy to me that in the last five years, you're sitting here blowing through the idea out loud of 2.4 million dollars,

4 million dollars, what's this guy worth? We don't know. Yesterday we were talking and it didn't seem like Jessica, you're come with a stronger opinion than Jessica Mike had when I'm giving the stat on him that is 19 touchdown passes and 11 were against like Chattanooga and two other bad teams and so what you 19 is not a lot 19 first season is not a lot of touchdowns and so when I'm I'm looking at those quarterback stats and just doing it on numbers not name I'm saying the same thing Lucy is which is like Josh Hyple can say it should be about the team or he can just say you know what I can do better for four million dollars I think a lot of this is

the fact that like one i don't know how much tennessee has to offer and to pay and four million dollars is a hefty ask and i think it's important that they went to the playoff he let them to the playoff but he watches the football last year their offense was a change in the world it was their defense that got them to where they were especially when you think about the offense that tennessee had just a few years ago within the hooker and jaylen hyatt is a completely different Especially when you think about the offense that Tennessee had just a few years ago with

Hendon Hooker and Jalen Hyatt. It is a completely different program now. And that's not Josh Hypple's sort of bag as this not great offense and a really solid defense. It's he just like for $4 million when you're already making $2.4 million and you had a season that was fine and Tennessee fans weren't over the moon. There was a point in the season where Tennessee fans were like, Bench them.

We're done with Nico. To ask for $4 million I think is kind of crazy. And he's also like, he's in college. I'm assuming, my big thing is I'm guessing people have told him he's worth more for these teams in these markets and I just, I hope it works out for him. I really do. Yeah, I think my works out for him. I really do. Yeah, I think my point is just that like, you're worth whatever someone will pay you.

And if a team has money and is desperate and wants to, there's plenty of reasons why you can convince yourself that this is going to work out for you. Like he's, he's not this horrible player. He's, he's young. He wasn't great against better defenses last year, like Lucy said. So if someone wants to pay him that,

which he clearly was banking on, the fact that that existed, the market existed for him, then yeah, he's worth it, but maybe not at Tennessee, and it turns out, definitely not at Tennessee. But you would say, right, when she says it's just crazy and I don't know when there are limited options, I would ask Mike, who's desperate to get in here and talk about the Miami Spring game, I am sure,

I would ask Mike, is's desperate to get in here and talk about the Miami Spring game, I am sure, I would ask Mike, is anyone going to pay $4 million for that resume and the idea of growth? Is anyone substantive going to pay for that? During this window, it's pretty tough. I mean, that's kinda, that's a high end of it, but that's kinda the market for quarterbacks this cycle. The marquee quarterbacks got paid a certain number. I know what Kim Ward was making.

How much is Carson Beck making? Carson Beck is not making what's out there. Does he get new cars? Carson Beck has made a lot of money over his career. Carson Beck, no, he's not getting paid what I've seen out there. I've seen crazy numbers like Jeff Lord. But it's north of 2.4, isn't it?

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna be deposed. You're gonna note comment? You're gonna note comment? I've been doing this day or night. I've been deposed. 20 years! No, look, look, Mike's. What the hell just happened?

It's not what it's out there. Look, we know what we paid Cam Ward. We know that the market has moved up. We know what other quarterbacks have asked. I would say that Nico isn't that far off base asking for four. He is that off base asking for four in the spring and I think part of in doing some some digging is it's not the first time Nico's kind of tried to pull like, you know I got other options. He's always looking for stalking horses and there just comes a time where they might be

over it and when you jeopardize a spring game by holding out, that's certainly one of those times and I can understand why Josh Hypple says enough of this. We can't let this continue be a standard around Tennessee. Yeah, I think the crazy thing is like the perception that he had this leverage, especially now. I think that's what's crazy. Not necessarily that like, hey, I'm one of the best quarterbacks, I should be paid like one. That's not that crazy to me. What's crazy is that it was now, it happened in this way,

and that he really didn't have any of this leverage at all. If you recall, like when Nico first came over to Tennessee, it was a reported multi-year agreement, and they've probably already gone back and fixed that, and he's saying, well, look, I'm the chosen one. I came, I delivered, you guys made it to the playoff. Yeah, I wasn't what you thought I would be statistically, but I was the guy under center,

and we made it to the playoff. And that's not totally out of line with where the market went. So I understand why that was the ask, and can also understand Tennessee being sick and tired of it saying we've already revisited your deal more times than we probably should have, given how you even came here. And you can't be holding our team hostage

every time the spring window, every time a window opens up, we can't be doing this. But look, there were a lot, Jayden Ott entered the transfer portal yesterday. He's good. That was crazy. Yeah, he had a bad year last year. I thought the year before.

He was hurt a lot last year. Like he played hurt almost the whole season. He had a 75 yard was crazy. Yeah, he had a bad year last year. I thought the year before. He was hurt a lot last year. Like he played hurt almost the whole season. He had a 75 yard touchdown run against Miami that he stepped out of bounds, but nobody seemed to talk about that in his call. Stop. Okay. Hold on.

You know, I said one thing. Lucy had something to say. Lucy. It's the thing you didn't say then. Yes, Mike, Stugats the entire segment, Lucy, I'm sorry, but Stugats the entire segment has been complaining in my ear, I can't believe Mike no commented us.

Now, we'll get it. It's not my business. I put him on the spot. I put him on the spot. I know, I know what's sensitive here, I do, I do. But Stugatz, I couldn't even hear what anyone was saying because the entire time everyone was talking, Stugatz is like, he can't no comment us there, Dan. He can talking, Stugatsa's like, he

can't, no comment us there, Dan, he can't. And I'm thinking to myself, look, he's in bed with the school, but also he does business with the school, he's walking a fine line here, he's informed, he's giving us information, but it can't be damaging to the program, and it's a bit of a high wire. I mean, I know what you guys make, you want me to put that out there too? It's not my business. Oh, that feels familiar. That's really interesting. Lucy, you were saying, I'm sorry I interrupted you.

He did no comment on us though. It's fine. This is just really important for me to say. It's really, really important. If you want to go see Nico in his new team, wherever that's going to be, you can book the trip with Priceline. Are you dreaming about that trip?

Book it and go to your happy price with Priceline. We don't know where it's going to be. Thank God the deals are so good so it'll be cheap no matter what. Thank you Lucy. Would you go to space? Would you go to space? Ew, no. No? What about the club? Ew. Ew?

Yeah, ew. Why would I go to space? I don't know. It seems to be a trap. It's the final frontier. It's a great conversation starter at a cocktail party. I don't know. Why would I go to space? I don't know. It seems to be a final frontier. It's a great conversation starter at a cocktail party Why would I want to go? Because you could say I don't want to go where Katy Perry went because the next time they shut you out of the WNBA Draft you can just like stomp a foot and say I've been in this space You mean to tell me I can't get in this draft No, I you know someplace. I don't, I, look, space,

that wasn't meant for me. That wasn't really meant for any of us. I feel the same way about the ocean. I'm just not gonna mess with it. That's, I know where I don't belong. Lucy, if you had to pick one, like, this is, you know, shop for your life situation, but you had to do this, okay? Go into the deep water of the ocean

in like one of those submersible things or go to outer space with Katy Perry Wow, oh Man, the Katy Perry one that that's what throws you off. Yes is Is she gonna sing? The entire time. Oh, then I'm going underwater No one's choosing underwater there that submersible thing is more terrifying than space. No, it depends on Katy Perry if she's gonna sing. Actually, hold up, is she gonna sing stuff from her old albums?

Then I'm good. But if she sings the new stuff, I have to go underwater. It's such a good question. I pissed a girl. I don't know how many. Oh yeah, we'll go in space. I don't know how many people listening to this

are just terrified of the idea of you're going up in a rocket and that's got danger in it. But if you put me in one of those submersibles and we're going down, no thank you. Like no, no, no, no, I'll take space 7,000 times before I will take that. Down in a submarine, no. Put it on the poll. At LeBata Show. Do you have any interest in going down in a submarine? You're forgetting the Katy Perry part. That's the most important part of the equation.

She's not in the submarine, Dan. She's in the rocket singing. What is your problem with Katy Perry? What's your problem? Have you listened to her new song? It's so bad. That album was terrible. I just don't wanna listen to it.

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