The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: My Take Super Sucks...

Episode Date: February 7, 2024

Dan, Amin, Pablo and co. discuss the continuously fraught Mahomes family dynamic; and marvel at Patrick’s greatness in the midst of it all. Dan then likens Zay Flowers being fined for taunting after everything that happened to him in the AFC title game to Mike Ryan’s harrowing Dunk Le Batard experience. Also, no one likes kickers. Filmmaker Matthew Hamachek then joins the show to discuss (at length) his forthcoming Apple TV+ docuseries on the droning excellence of the Patriots dynasty. And then: MAHOMES! BRADY! LEGACIES! GOAT TALK! I mean, prime Super Bowl Week sports radio content here, people. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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an official sports betting partner of the NFL. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app today and use code Dan for special offer when you sign up. That's code Dan, only at Draft King Sportsbook. Last year around the Super Bowl, and this didn't get a lot of coverage, but Andy Reed's son got into a drunk driving accident. And it was something that was in the week, the Super Bowl week of Andy Reid. Just recently here, if you guys could get the photograph from me of Patrick Mahomes Sr.,

Patrick Mahomes' dad has now gotten his third DUI. And I'm going to go ahead and say, I don't think this is reckless, but it's mathematically probable that if you're getting 3 DUIs, you have a drinking problem. One can assume that you're not getting caught every single time you have the misfortune of drinking too much. And so Patrick Mahomes Sr. now brings this into the life of Patrick Mahomes during a very busy time in his life. And Patrick Mahomes Sr. has been charming, smoking the Joe Burrow cigars, charming on

the field after games. I covered him when he was a middle reliever for the twins the person on your screen is younger than I am Patrick Mahomes senior look at that. He looks like he has lived does he look younger than me to you? I mean I'd say mage does he okay? So I look like I've been battered also, but my problem is carbs is his cars and Drinking Patrick Mahomes senior brings this into his son's life, and he has to be pretty mortified, right? So I have two reactions to this mugshot one is that I kind of for the first time see the Patrick Like the hair I'm like that is like Patrick. My home is like foe hawk kind of deal. Look,

so the overwhelming everybody's sticking a microphone into my face dynamic of Super Bowl week. I imagine that this is both the worst possible time, but also because so many people have things that they're interested in that are not this. I wonder if there's also a bit of hiding that can take place simultaneously. But it's timing-wise, early in Super Bowl Week is about the worst time for this to come out. But may I just real quick, I know that Patrick Mahomes has grown adult in everything, but hey, dad embarrassing me this week. Like what does it do to a relationship to have your father apparently have enough of an issue with something that he's bringing this into his son's life this week. Look man, this is addiction, it is an illness, I can extend every

compassion to Patrick Mahomes senior here and say that addictions deserve empathy not judgment. But how about just dad? What dad or the disease just brought into his son's life this week? The shame of it. I mean Patrick Mahomes has had to navigate a lot when it comes to his family be it the allegations of forcing himself up on an alleged victim Or battery accusations for Jackson Mahomes that his father's drinking his wife being a woman That has that has been interesting to watch how it is that she has been received by the internet It's poisonous It is remarkable though when you add it all up and you spell it out in whatever way. Like oh but

and yet and yet and yet not unlike the Florida Gators with Tim Tebow at the center of it. You have a halo. Not just that but just like a an apparent normalcy. Like the guy who's in the center of all of that dance. So when you ask like how is the son perceive the actions of his family humiliating him and you think of everybody from like Bill Clinton's brother to like all these other famous historical examples of people embarrassing the person that the solar system is falling around. Remember when it was Bill's brother that was a problem?

Oh man, that was a time. And he looked like a good time. Have you ever seen this like the picture of his brother? He looked like a good time. That happened to Jimmy Carter a million years ago. His brother was just associated with beer and it was too scandalous in the 70s. They named a beer after him, Billy Beer. That's where it started. That family's embarrassing. I think that started with Jimmy Carter. Yeah. Well, I mean publicly.

I started with Abel. Wait, which one died? Kane or Abel? Which one killed the other? Who's the embarrassment? Stephen A would know. The Kane killed Abel. Yeah, Kane's a bad one. So the Kane's the embarrassment, right? You just murdered somebody. Abel was cool. He didn't do anything. Oh, victim-blaming. Anyway, another foot...

But to answer your question, Dan, I don't think any of this sticks to Pad. That's the thing! He's been able to navigate everything. You guys are thinking about this the wrong way. Sticks to pad, does stick to pad, does it reflect badly? Imagine the laser focus this mother-f*** has to be this great while that's happening all the time.

Imagine if like he had like quiet, mild-mannered family members who just want to shun the spotlight. He'd have 19 Super Bowls by now, having only played six years. And he has them around all of the time. All the time! That's the remarkable thing. I would've excommunicated these people.

That's why he's better than Brady, easily. He's been carrying his family around in the huddle as well. And no distractions. That's how he tops him by having more obstacles than Brady had in his life Because Brady had stable family stuff at home. That's right. Forget about the receiver core the supporting cast I want actual family tree help. I was gonna make a wife joke, too And I thought maybe that's a little too close to the line. Okay, excellent. Look I'm this is growth means discretion continues to Look, this is growth. It means discretion continues to bat on me.

You asked for growth. Here it is. I didn't make the joke to Jeremy over the headset. Not this time. No, you just stopped the show on its track with the joke you could have made. You just could have stayed quiet. We're moving towards it. How do you guys feel about this story?

Because this made me laugh out loud. It laughed out loud when it came across my screen. Zay flowers getting a notice that he's been fine $10,927 for taunting. Damn. I know, right? Your season's over. You're an embarrassment in Baltimore. At the one-yard line, you drop the football. Everyone's yelling at you, and then comes the bill due, where it's also, and also this

is costing you $11,000. You're like, who ordered this? I didn't order this. Wait, Zane Flowers treated the AMC title game penalty like the time I forgot to cancel Quibi, which I did. I'm like one of the few people that had it for like a month. Zane Flowers taunts Sneed. Everyone says, at the moment, we're all watching that game together and

it's all some form of youthful. Like, yeah, and also taunting should be allowed. Don't penalize that. But if you're going, if, like, don't cost yourself 15 yards in this situation, they're hard to come by. You shouldn't have done that. Maybe sports should be looser. NFL kind of starched and rigid. Still penalizing for that stuff. Then you get sneak the embarrassment of the guy you taunted wins the football game by knocking the football out of your hands at the one yard line. And furthermore, you cut your hand on your helmet and can't play the rest of the game when they need you on those last drives. Oh my God, you fool. And then the bill comes. It reminded me of Mike Ryan with Dunk Lebatar, where we have our big chance on ESPN to be McAfee. We're going to do

live watch parties. We can do it. And I curse on air and I arrive late and drunk with the animal guy. And I yell at Mike Foss Jr. ESPN royalty. I never knew that there was another Mike Foss. Yeah, I yell at him, screaming at him, and we never again got that chance. And Mike Ryan is on his knees in the dirty Clevelander, on the floor, and he's like, how could this have possibly gone any worse? My big chance to be an executive producer for ESPN,

it couldn't have gone worse than this. And then a waitress comes by and hands him the bill. It can't get any worse than this. And then he had to pay for everybody that night, which was obvious. Still paying for that night in many respects. I can't believe Fosch Jr. parlayed the success of Don Clevittart. And to where he is now, it's incredible.

Zay Flowers was just getting over. And then it arrives, the mailer and agent calls him, like, what's happening there where he's getting notified? And if you forgot about this and forgave yourself, here's $11,000 more to remind you, you fool. I got him getting served like a claim server, like Zay Flowers, congr Congrats, you've been served. Like subpoena.

That should be a rule. I enjoyed Travis Kelsey's interview with Pat McAfee, in which Patrick Mahomes crashed. And he was talking about, there was a stretch in that game, where it looked like Baltimore was getting close to a huge field goal opportunity for Justin Tucker. And given everything that happened between Justin Tucker,

Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes before the game, Travis Kelsey admitted there was nothing that was gonna stop us from getting the unsportsmanlike conduct if he missed the kick. If he missed the kick, we would have written whatever check we had to, it was going to be a scene. How much would people have loved that if Justin Tucker missed a kick Mr. Kick, and then,

and Kelsey himself went out and just got rained flags on him because he was just enjoying embarrassing the kicker, forgetting in the way, man, this one's interesting and it's always interesting to me. You'll find, I mean, I don't know if there's anything like this in basketball. The other football players do not respect the kickers. They have no use whatsoever for the kickers, and the kickers being famous and important is infuriating to Travis Kelsey if he could have mocked the best kicker we've ever seen. The best kicker of all time, which is what my whole takeaway from that is, you could argue the three people at the center of this are the best to ever do it at their height. The greatest side end we've ever seen, the greatest quarterback we've ever seen, the greatest kicker we've ever seen, and how little that matters when

it comes to the interpersonal relations. They don't want to name him. Both Travis Calcy and Mahomes are looking at Justin Tucker and saying, why are you even f***ing out here? Not just at the one-yard line. Why are you in our world? Like, I would squeeze your head off. Yeah, he's just like what three goats No matter But that I think the symbolism is funny of Kelsey and Mahomes saying Actually literally and through eternity you don't belong here That this space is reserved for these people who are good at football and you who uses your foot.

It doesn't matter that he's the greatest to do it too. He doesn't need it at that trough. It's funny. You only get to be on the field when we don't convert. You don't get hit by anybody. Your foot hurts. Does it? Maybe.

I don't think his foot hurts. When he kicks a ball? I'm just, I don't think it's foot hurts. When he kicks a ball? I'm just a kicker about that. I'm just, yeah, I imagine. Depends on the stone ale situation. Come on, this is- Gotta go short there, right? And Kelsey and my homies are still mad about this.

Like they're legitimately mad. I just wanna point out how mad I would be if I was Justin Tucker listening to this show. Because Dan was like, I assume his foot kinda, it's like, you have no idea what these guys do. Well, but compared to Kelsey, No, but compared to Kelsey physically, what it does to his body,

it's where the disrespect comes from. They don't think he plays football. That he plays with a ball with his foot. This is all Nigel Gruff's fault. Cause he came out there and kicked with a cigarette, hanging from his lip. Everyone thinks now kicking is easy, it doesn't hurt.

I'm not even saying that, I'm just saying the disrespect is real, they don't respect him. They don't, they actually don't. Who's, I mean they're called special teams. If they don't respect Justin Tucker, they will never respect anyone at that position. Who's more respected, kicker or punter? McAfee seems to get a lot of respect,

to me the punter is even less of an important position than kicker. But he had to go sleeveless to do it. Good point. Like think of all the compensation that McAfee's doing to prove that he's a football guy. Everyone knows it's not Valentine's Day without the flowers. So whatever you do, don't be like me.

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I am eagerly anticipating Stugatz, this 10-part series on 20 years of the New England Patriots, and I've read a lot of deep dives and I've seen the investigations and their winning has been droning. It has been boring. Apple makes big things. They spend money to do things correctly and Matthew Hamacek is with us now because this month Apple, with much anticipation, is throwing the dynasty out there. It premieres as again a 10-part series and it's got incredible access, unusual access. I'm certain it's going to be great but ten parts, I have to relive the entire dynasty,

I saw it up close and personal, I'm a jet-sick. Well, I'm, and I feel like we know much of what needs to be known here but I'm assuming that Matthew is trying to cover ground and terrain that others haven't seen. So thank you for joining us, just give us an idea, Matthew, of some of the stuff that you were able to dig in on that perhaps the public doesn't understand because it is very confusing to me that in America's most popular sport,

we don't totally understand how that team was able to dominate that way. And some of us view it as boring that they were able to dominate that way and some of us view it as boring that they were able to dominate that way. I doubt very much that what you've made is boring. No, but first off, thanks for having me on. I couldn't agree more with both of you. I was not a fan of this team

and you know, my, I think like the rest of the fan base in the NFL was sick and tired of the Patriots winning so much. And I think because of that, when we started this project, I think we realized that the only way to make it interesting is to tell sort of the unbarnished truth of the New England Patriots. And so what I mean by that is Bill had a book written about him with Howard Sand, which was great great and Tom had his own docu series but you know those were very specific lenses through which to

view the story and I think what we thought is okay we have this unique opportunity here to bring everybody together many of whom have never spoke on the record about any of this stuff before and we were going to get into every single detail of it, meaning we were gonna have an entire episode about Spygate, we have an entire episode about the Flategate, about Aaron Hernandez, about the Malcolm Butler Benching, every detail that I think people have been curious about, but they've never really heard these people talk

about these things on the record the way they do within our dynasty series. Matthew, how'd you get access to guys who don't normally give access? Well, it was frankly it was through the Patriots. They, to their credit, knew the kind of thing that we were going to do and gave us free reign to do it and were willing to connect us with everybody involved and that included Bill, Tom, basically every player we wanted to talk to. But we also talked to other people outside of the organization like Michael Strahan,

rivals who went up against these guys and have very strong opinions about them. Were there any limits in exchange for the access? No, none whatsoever, which was what makes this thing so remarkable. It really is the unvarnished truth of the Patriot story. What are the greatest challenges that you got immersed in as you tried to devote your life over to a project of this size? Well, obviously, just the logistics of talking to all these people, that was its own challenge. But the most fascinating thing about this was,

we had access to the Patriot archive, as well as the NFL Films archive, all told, I think that was around 35,000 hours of footage. So when you think about the amount of manpower to actually even go through that and mark what's good, and we're talking about stuff that nobody's ever seen before, right? This is inside the locker room right after Spygate in 07, right after the story had broke, and we're getting to see Bill address the team and how they react to it. And one of the

things that I actually, I love about that season in particular is they won three Super Bowls in four years, then they have a couple seasons go by, and then in 07, the Spygate scandal breaks in the first game of the year against the Jets. And that's Mangini and all of that. But there's this interesting transition that season where they go from being, they started out as the legend that could in 01,

and then they become a dynasty. And then that's the season where they really become the evil empire and when we were going through this footage you could see them on this undefeated run just dominating and tearing apart every team in their path and one of the editors described it as sort of witnessing like a party on their death star as they go through each of the teams and i'm not just beating up their clobbering them and i think you'll be able to see that and witness down bill but tom and all the other players that you're go all the way up

until the super bowl against the giants and then have that sort of humbling moment on the biggest of stages it's it's an incredible it's an incredible uh... sort of episodebling moment on the biggest of stages. It's it's an incredible It's an incredible sort of episode in itself without giving too much away again It's a ten-part series and I'm gonna ask you some pointed questions about some of the more interesting stuff in it But if you were talking man hours and years Involved in how much time has been spent putting this together? What are we talking about?

How many people did you talk to? What are we talking about? Yeah, so just going through the footage, I think was six months with around 50 people working around the clock and shifts. And then on our team, you know, it was those 50 people plus another couple dozen. And then for me personally,

it was two and a half years from start to finish, maybe even a little bit more than that. And we talked to about 80 players, coaches, front office executives, rivals, and then people who are just sort of, you know, tangentially connected fans. And so it was just some massive undertaking. And what I love, love it about the process is it really forces you to be collaborative. You have a massive team and you just bring in incredibly talented people and you let them cook. And I think people are gonna like the result. Give me a couple of times where some of those 50 people

plus a dozen found something. You gave us one, but found something that they were bringing to you. And both of you danced around the room because you're like, that's gold right there. David Nugent, who played with Tom his rookie year, came in and we were talking to him. He lived with Tom in a condo that Tom had gotten from Tide of All of Amor. And when he was about to come in with us, said, oh, by the way, you know, I don't know if you'd be interested in this, but I have some home video footage of Tom and me in 2000

and 2001 living in our condo. Of course, the answer was yes. And when we saw it, it just blew us away, because the thing that we kept hearing over and over and over again was he wasn't Tom Brady the goat back then. This was just common. And it's one thing to hear people talk about it. It's another thing to see Tom Brady with a pop collar in 2000 before the GQ covers and

the MVPs and the La Bartie trophies. Did your crew actually dance? I mean, that's Let me think. No, I'm not much of a dancer. I think you probably tell them looking at me, but no, there were times where there was some, there was some good fist pumps for sure. No, I mean, this was throughout the entire time. I think another one that's great. Another moment that was really phenomenal was the season after deflate gate when Tom served his poor game suspension, he's gone and he comes back and he goes on a tear and they make it all the way to the divisional round and they beat the Houston Texans. In that locker room afterwards, there's always guests that come with the Patriots, right? And so there were two guests at that time. One was Rupert Murdoch, who actually has a great interview in our series. And the other one was last minute,

it speaks to the power that the Patriots had at the time, right? These are the two networks, the two CEOs ahead of the network that basically are rivals and they're both simultaneously guests in this locker room. They've won, they're going through at this point probably their seventh or eighth, I'm not sure exactly which one, AFC Championship in a row. And Belichick is just tearing tearing Tom and the rest of the team because it's what he does and it's the culture that he created and it works so well.

But the moments like that speak to this sort of cross-section of power, but also, I can't imagine what it's like to be those guys stepping into that locker room and seeing the dynamic between Belichick, Brady and then the rest of the team. What is the best of what you got from Belichick and from Brady? They are notoriously difficult interviews. Well, I mean, Tom really was an open book and to his credit, I still remember we scheduled his interview. None of us really talked to him before he showed up and we figured he's going to show up in entourage, he's going to have hair and makeup and all this kind of stuff.

The guy just pulls up to the studio in his car by himself, steps in, didn't want to know anything about what was going to be asked or anything like that, sits down and is just an open book. And, you know, he details things in this that I really don't think he's talked about on the record before. Belichick, I think in a lot of ways you kind of know what he's like because you've seen him over and over and over again in his press conferences. I think what makes this situation unique though is that when he's on doing his press conferences, it's just him standing up there by himself. And there's not a lot of context to what he's saying. But when he's

asked these questions in the context of what everybody else is saying, I think it makes his answers pretty fascinating. I think people are going to be shocked to hear a lot of the things that are said. Like? Well, for Tom, I think that, you know, he goes into all sorts of things with Alex Guerrero and what happened with all that drama. I think all the players talk about the relationship. And the thing to be kept hearing over and over again is that Bill created this incredible culture at the Patriots where Bill was the top, everybody else was underneath Bill, and

everybody was equal. There would be no superstars there. And I think that that created a very selfless environment where everything was done for the betterment of the team for an incredibly long time. And then, you know, what the people we interviewed talked about is that that worked for, you know, most of the time, but at a certain point, it was really hard for everybody to ignore Tom included what Tom Brady had sort of become. And especially after the Atlanta Super Bowl, when he comes back from 20 to three, guys talked about how you couldn't just pretend and sit in the locker room and pretend that

Tom Brady was just a 20-year-old rookie and that he should be treated the exact same way as everybody else. And I think the relationship dynamic as things came to an end there is going to be revelatory. The dynasty premieres February 16th on Apple TV Plus. You gave us Tom there. How about Belichick when, if I pin you down on one thing where he got bristly or one thing that he had to give you that he maybe didn't want to, you didn't out interview Belichick. You didn't defeat him. You didn't get interview Belichick. You didn't defeat him.

You didn't get anything from him. He didn't want you to have. Well, you have to watch, man. You know, I mean, you never know. No, I, look, I asked him all the questions that people want to have asked. I asked him about Spygate. I asked him about the Malcolm Butler Benching.

And I think he has good answers. I'm trying to think about one of the ones that I asked him about. I mean, I'll tell you this. He told a great story about calling Randy Moss for the first time and Randy being in a club. Randy didn't believe that it was actually Bill Belichick and hung up on him several times.

And the two of them sit there doing impressions of each other, which is the best part, because the way the two of them translate a phone call and what the other person is saying, what the other person is thinking is great, and just slamming those up against each other. And so Bill's sitting there thinking, like, I guess he doesn't want to come to New England. And Randy just keeps assuming that somebody is doing this rapidly Bill Belichick impression and is just trying to get him to come. And then Bill ends the phone call by saying, look, if you're not in New England by tomorrow

morning at 10 AM, you're not coming on the team. And then Bill ended the phone call by saying, look, if you're not in New England by tomorrow morning at 10 a.m., you're not coming on the team. And then Randy says, I just hung up on Bill. And so just to see those kind of interactions, it was great. And you know, look, when you have this kind of access, which really has never been had before, your job is to ask good questions and get out of the way

and let these guys tell the story. Did Bob Kraft give you an indication who he sided with in the tension between Brady and Belichick? Yes, you get to see how it evolves. It wasn't as binary as that. It wasn't a, I feel this way and that's the way I stayed. It sort of, it changed as the years went by. How much new truth did you unearth around Aaron Hernandez?

I think the thing that we have here is for the first time people inside the organization and the players, the coaching staff talking about that. I think we unearth quite a bit, but I think more important than that, one of the things I realize as I started to talk to these guys about it is that this was somebody who everybody in the organization loved dearly and there was a great deal of affection and care about him and the way that the story was told and I hope that the people who talked to us about it on the record feel like we did it right

but I think that was astonishing to me and something that we really tried hard to capture. The dynasty premieres February 16th on Apple TV Plus. Again, it is exhaustive, thorough, and he is the foremost authority. He can answer the most pressing question for us. Is this indeed Bill Belichick leaving an apartment through a door, a ring doorbell shirtless, somewhere in a gray Boston? Man, you know, Bill and I never had the opportunity

to take our shirts off and so I can't, I can't. You failed, you failed Matthew. You should do a 10-part talk on that video. I try, look, I try to do my best, but we didn't get to that level in our bond, so you have to go to another sport. It's a puff piece, it's a failure, it will not succeed. They didn't get to any hard answers.

It is indeed Bill Belichick. Matthew, thank you for being on with us. Look forward to watching. Thank you so much. It does look like him. Just great audio. It does look like him. You take a look, Matthew, and you tell me that's not him.

Barrel-chested. Come on, Matthew. Where am I? You tell me that's not him, Matthew. I mean, you got to be impressed. He's like 70 years old. He looks great. No, he does look great. The Dan LeBartard show is two gods is presented by Dijourno. It's not delivery. It's DGiorno. It's not delivery, it's DeGiorno. We're presented by Draft King Sportsbook and official sports betting partner of the NFL.

Download Draft King Sportsbook app today and use code DAN for a special offer when you sign up. That's code DAN, only at DraftKingsportsbook. I'm curious because football keeps growing somehow, bigger and bigger and bigger. And we've just spent the last couple of segments talking about the behavior of Patrick Mahomes' family, because he enters into the Brady realm of being the biggest star, biggest winner guy in the game. And all of the things that surround that. And just got done talking about a 10-part series about the Patriots dynasty. The Patriots

handed over the AFC to this team. We can start having a conversation now about Ken Mahomes actually be Brady faster in 10 years because he doesn't need to play till he's 39. He just can get to championship games and win them. Even what's standing across from him is, oh, the mastermind of today. We don't even know how good his quarterback is. Ken Mahomes beat the mastermind again. Beat him by a throw when he had Garoppolo. The Chiefs are right now in the middle of making themselves the hardest thing,

which is the thing that came after the Patriots, the thing in that sport that was stronger than everyone else. Baltimore, great organization for 20 years. Not what Kansas City has done just with Mahomes. Right. Predictability, the hardest thing in a sport that's so random, oblong, you know, in shape and in character, truly bouncing unpredictably, they have become predictable. And with the Patriots, the way they did it with some sort of system that we thought,

Belichick's a genius and Brady might not be a great quarterback, but he is a great quarterback. Oh my God, he's the best quarterback I've ever seen. He's the biggest winner ever. That hands it over to this, Andy Reid, career underachiever in Philadelphia, because he only got to Super Bowl. You think even if there's a scenario in which the Chiefs win more than the Patriots won, that Mahomes can overtake Brady? Because this isn't exactly Michael Jordan, LeBron James. Like, they played each other. And Brady's 2-0.

Brady beat him in his 40s, twice. So I know, but that's what's funny about one game, two game here and there, you win in the margins, Brady won one of those Super Bowls, because Pete Carroll didn't know to hand the ball off at the end and you're like, what does that have to do with anyone's actual greatness? I know, but if they're gonna come...

Brady is actually playing against Patrick Mahomes. If they're gonna compare and contrast Mahomes versus Brady, you can't ignore that, that Brady beat him in his 40s twice. So the measurement now is, how do you replace Brady? You win 10 Super Bowls. And I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say,

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Tom Brady gets. Yes, no, I'm saying it's done forever. He's never gonna be better than Brady. No. What we need is a flux capacitor, a DeLorean. 1.21 gigawatts. Yeah, we get some plutonium. But that's what we're gonna do with this power? Or a bolt of lightning, one or two. You guys are telling me that instead of what we've done for 15 years with LeBron, he's not Jordan, Jordan is now gonna be broadcasting LeBron's games in football for the next 10 years, lording over from the Skybox.

I make more than you do up here for raining down criticism. This product's mediocre, you'll never be as good as me from the box. Do you think Brady's gonna be in the box and say, yeah, I was cute by Mahomes? There's a nice little cute scamper there. He's also not gonna catch Tom Brady because Tom Brady's the only person

in that sports history to age that way. Like everyone else hits a wall when they get around 40. Everyone else. Does Patrick Mahomes look like the body type and the type of athlete that's going to age with Grace once he hits 44? Neither did Brady. Yeah, but as Brady got older, he took care of his body more.

Let this man get older. He took care of his body more. He can reserve that right. And then get the DeLorean and the plutonium or a bolt of lightning. Are you calling Patrick Mahomes pre-old? Look, I've owned the take for several years that I don't think that's gonna age

with as much grace as everyone else is anticipating. And then we saw one dad bod photo and people came around. We did see one dad bod photo and rain down shame on Mahomes for just having, I mean, come on like for because because he doesn't have chiseled that have he also leans on I know he's got this brilliant arm but he leans on in his athleticism certainly a lot more than Tom Brady ever did and as you age that parts of your game that part of your game does deteriorate see it's funny to me that to me that's it that should game does deteriorate. See, it's funny to me that, to me,

that should make you respect him even more. It's like the whole family thing, it's like, wait, he's been doing all this with that body? That's even more amazing then. Aaron Rodgers did it until he was 37, 38, Mike. Like my homes can be great for another 10 years in that body. I hear what you're saying.

37, 38, Drew Brees did it to 37, 38. Tom Brady did it till 45. No one has done it around the age of 42. He obliterated the expectation and he moved the goalpost to an impossible standard. He did it till 45. I cannot mention it, so. Vinny Tessa Verdi would like a word.

Let me ask Amin and Pablo this question, because I don't know how many people are going to go and get Apple, because they've made a dynastic film about the sport of our time for 20 years dominated by Belichick and Brady. They have, what is, the exclusive story with access that's going to be told. I mean the director just got done telling us. There were no rules. I was able to ask about anything. They weren't editing how we did this and they got everybody. Are people tired of obsessing over that team for 20 years? Are

you in for a 10-part documentary on one of the great sports and social experiments of our time, the team that conquered America's most popular sport and made it more popular? I do think that if you're good enough at something, I want to hear you talk about that something, even if you're worse at talking than other people, right? Like this is the Greg Olson, Tom Brady conversation too. Like Greg Olson's a better announcer than Tom Brady. I just wanna know how that guy thinks about football. Well, we don't know, we haven't heard Tom Brady.

Well, so the question of like, is he gonna be sub-tweeting Patrick Mahomes? Is he gonna be interesting? Is he motivated to be interesting? Will he be candid? What he thinks is inherently interesting in a way that Greg Olson, who is of course excellent at football or was,

in a way that Greg Olson will never be because he's not Tom Brady. So parallel question in this documentary is, do they give you the goods? Do they give you the goods? Are you motivated to say something interesting because the platform you have, speaking ex-cathedra from your papal chair of greatness?

What, what is that? Pull the music, please. Speaking ex-what? What? Ex-mockin' up? Yeah. Hold on a second. No, what is this?

Is this Vatican? Yes, when the pope speaks. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Nobody would do that. We've had such a good run with Pablo. I thought it was an ex-cathedra. We were just doing our show.

Yeah. And we didn't hear you do it. Thank you. With the full authority of office, especially that of the Pope, implying infallibility as defined in Roman Catholic doctrine. We were supposed to know all that. I mean, it's not like there are a bunch of Catholics in this room. Exactly, exactly right.

I'm recovering Dan I've actually seen part of the screen of the documentaries I saw the first two or three episodes Brady says the F word in it. What and I'm like, oh, that's one of the boys What? What does that mean? He said yeah, he said yeah, he said I'm Brady soy boy That's one of the boys because he curses and now you're he's letting it fly Yeah, he's letting the fly. He's open. He's honest. He's crowded got his legs crossed. He's talking about this And I'm like X rated Brady. I'm like, yes More the real Tom more of Brady than you've ever seen him cursing in a five second clip

It's more than I've ever seen in 25 years of seeing Tom Brady. I mean Jeremy Jeremy whispered in my ear as if to taunt me, yeah whatever, Patriots you were great, but did you have Taylor Swift? Yeah, is she in the documentary? No, not interested. He's got a point. He had Giselle. Well, he's got a point. No, Giselle.

No! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, of a noun. Super fight, Super Bowl, Super Model. Back in my day, things used to be Super. Superman. Yeah. We've talked about the idea that there are culture wars happening around Kelsey and Taylor Swift because football is under attack. What do soy boys like me do with the fact that Tom Brady was the second most powerful person in his household and the thing that he did was the second hardest thing that he did in his household when it came to aging with grace. That the sport that she ruled was more cutthroat than the one he did and that she aged better than he did and he wanted to be the man who is most successful but she's the one who had the coffee table book

worth fifty million dollars before he realized that football was strangling his value. And he just got a three hundred and fifty million dollar contract to talk about this sport. I want to follow you down that logic ladder. No Tom Brady is a Tom Brady. I'm a Tom. Being old. I'm gonna tell Dan this is how it is. Yes all that is true but you know what happened when push came to shove he said guess what to hell with this marriage I'm going back to football and that's why he's not a soy boy. It's true love Can you please look up earnings for me on Giselle because I don't think that Tom Brady is in a stratosphere Not even with this, but maybe with this broadcasting contract

But I think you underestimate what it is to conquer the supermodel game. I'm not saying that. I'm saying you said, well, he followed her up until the point where he did. I don't think he was the big money earner in his house. He never was. No. It says during Brady's NFL career, he earned around $330 million until 2020. She earned around $500 million during that same time period. Right. Now you add the 350 post-playing career, guess what?

It takes super sucks. We thought that Patrick Mahomes was following Tom Brady, but I guess Travis Kelsey's the one doing it. So just to be clear, my take super sucks. Yeah. Because... Super soaker. Because now...

Oh, yeah. Because now... I don't know, a quarter billion dollars outpacing. because super soker because yeah because now No, no quarter million a quarter billion dollars outpacing. Okay. Yeah, good luck. Giselle with your broadcasting The condo. Oh, that's right. There is none for models Super otherwise What'd she do for five hundred and fifty million dollars? I don't be a supermodel No, how does that work? Out of a dress. Have you ever seen Taxi? Great movie file