The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Penetration Rate

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

What's misophonia? David Samson joins the show, and when asked about the Shannon Sharpe story, let's us know of an experience he himself had yesterday involving leaked sex tapes and extorsion. Of course, David just wanted to profit off of it. He also tells us why he doesn't unequivocally trust a single human being. Then, CEO of Fubo David Gandler joins us to discuss what he believes Samson got wrong about the Fubo story last week. Plus, Pablo Torre arrives to CONTINUE our fake pregame show's sports business talk, but it ends with a preview of his new episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out and a rivalry with David. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Jersey City, New Jersey. Please drink responsibly. Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys?

I've done it. And now here's the marching band to nowhere That face and the habitual liar When we started what was a venture that a lot of people question that is now Arriving at success and was scary for a really long time We had the opportunity to have the vision at ESPN when Kelsey was sidling up to Stugatz and asking him, how do I do a podcast? And when Shannon Sharp was asking for us for a few dollars, and we're like, why would we pay you? We had the chance to

have Shannon Sharp and Travis Kelsey. Instead, we've poured our money into Pablo and David Sampson. That was a conscious choice made by me. And David Samson joins us now because I bet big on David Samson. Nothing personal is exceptional. I urge you to listen to it daily, every day, 8 a.m. live. He does a solo show on YouTube. And also, the sporting class is coming out tomorrow i'd i say this every time and i know what to be so no one will dispute it there is no way to dispute it john skipper pablo and david samson talking about sports business is unlike anything and better

than anything being done in this medium on sports business it comes out tomorrow so So David joins us now and your take David on all things Shannon Sharp here as yesterday was a good day for business for all kinds of business for Shannon Sharp. My day started yesterday at 6, 17 a.m. That's not when I woke up, that's when my day started.

And I had an email that I checked and inside the email was a letter, a letter addressed to me that said that I have gotten into your phone and you've been a naughty boy recently and I'm going to send a video of you on a porn website to all of your friends, family and contacts and it will be public if you do not give me money immediately.

If not sooner. That's before I heard about the Shannon Sharp situation. Wait a minute. What? This happened to me yesterday. It is a phishing scam that I've since come to learn that they take a picture of your house. They tell you that they've gotten into your phone, and then

they say, send me Bitcoin or we're going to give video of you pleasuring yourself or someone else in a way that will ruin your life and the life of the people you work with, so give me money. What do you think my first reaction was to that letter? It's a good question. I imagine that the first thing would be to sort of go through your head on where and when could I have been caught in any sort of visual shame that somebody might have. But the reason that I think you might be more poised than that is I've seen you go through

a couple of things that would have been really scary to me, and you just sort of put your head down and go through them in a way that is super poised about how you solve the problem. I'm going to tell one of the stories in a second because the Miami New Times was claiming that at one point that they had you on tape or someone with the Marlins on tape saying something racist and the way that you handled that seeing you inside of it. I would have been a lot more afraid than you were in that situation. So that is a story, that's a blast from the past. And that was, thank you for being there for that. And of course it was not me, it was completely fabricated and made up

as a way to bring me down. So my first thought was because I'm with MetalArk and with you and with Pablo and all the great people at MetalArk, I said, all right, I think this can be great content. Let me see if I can find a way to get this person on the show. Let me try to get inside exactly what they're trying to do

and what they think that they can do to me because I'll admit everything that I've done from yesterday all on back because it's not a Jeffrey Toobin situation because it's not a Jeffrey Tubin situation. It's not a Shannon Sharp situation. Oh my God. I'm Instagram live by accident. I dropped my phone.

If this is what I'm doing in the privacy of my own home, and you've hacked into me, I am not going to run from it. I'm going to embrace it, and I'm not going to pay you. As a matter of fact, I'm going to get paid. I'm going to start an only fan site. I can't believe that. I can going to start an only fan site and monetize this. I can't believe that what your initial reaction was, how do I book my extorter?

Absolutely. That is the first thing that actually occurred to me, is what would be the best way for me to make money. How do I profit off of an extortion is where it is that you started. Not anything in the way of fear. Is it because you're fundamentally shameless? Because it's not, it's impossible to cause you shame in public.

I don't do anything that you don't do. I do everything the same that everyone does. I'm just happier to talk about it and I'm not ashamed of it. And I know very well that I'm very careful in terms of what I do. I'm not on Zooms doing stuff. I'm very clear about private browsing and when windows are closed or open or where cameras are, I just pay attention to detail is all. I mean, this happened to Yarmir Yager. He somebody took a picture of him sleeping next to an 18 year old. The 18 year old one to extort him.

And he said, quote unquote, I don't care. I mean, if Shannon Sharpe's if the woman that he was with doesn't care, that ain't bad for business in any way. But I do understand anyone being, that's such an invasion of privacy David, like it's not something that I would want out there in any form. No, here's the thing with Shannon Sharpe. I wasn't happy with the initial crisis management of going with the hack story. And then he went right to the, I'm embracing this and I'm gonna go on shows, I'm gonna go on YouTube,

I'm gonna talk about it that I'm a strong, I'm a male and this is what males do and my cardio may not be good enough, but I'm working on it. All those things. You could have done that first. The first call you've gotta make when you're part of an organization, this thing happens, you do have to call the PR people

for your organization to make them aware. So one of my first thoughts was to call the PR people at MetalArk and I just, I didn't know who to call. I wanna hear more about this extortion attempt. There was nothing in the way of fear there at any point. It's Taylor. Oh, that's what we should have called. Next time you're getting extorted.

Extorted? Yeah, for your sexual escapades, please just text Taylor. I will do that. I hope that he is on his phone from time to time. So the answer is no. I was not aware it was a well-known scam, but of course I'm up to date on many of the scams that go on and I'm very suspect of just about everybody, including

those I know. So my first reaction is not to go to the store and send this person Bitcoin. My first reaction was to say, if you really did what you said you have done, you're going to have to prove it to me. Now, the downside of being the way I am is that I was clicking refresh during Nothing Personal Live yesterday and throughout the day yesterday, seeing whether or not any videos or any sort of audio

or any sort of anything had come out and I stopped hitting refresh. So it was about 18 hours of refreshing is about as much as I was willing to give it. You said you suspect even those close to you, give me a number to this. How many people do you trust in the world? Unequivocally? Yes. Zero.

How many do you trust in a, just trust that you would say not unequivocally, but you trust? Not, not many You know trust is it and I don't you see that's a loaded word and we can talk about trust Well, you just said I'm suspect of even people I love so how many of those people are you not suspect of? One of the things is you know, I think it's important in business and in your personal life I think you've got to be if you're in in the public eye, or even if you have a mouth like I had all through elementary school and high school and law school, part of having that mouth is that it comes with not being able to trust

because you don't exactly know how people are going to react to the path that you're on or the things that you're saying. And so that's why the criticisms when I was running the Marlins never impacted me because I never believed the people who lauded what I was doing. So I didn't have to pay attention to the criticisms when I was running the Marlins never impacted me because I never believed the people who lauded what I was doing. So I didn't have to pay attention to the criticisms. And in terms of trust, if you don't trust anybody,

you never get disappointed. So it actually puts me in a better position. Juju, put it on the poll, please. Is the only trust David Sampson has in life a trust fund at LeBittard show? That's ridiculous, Dan. Can you tell the people the controversy with the Miami New Times because we blew through it there, but I want you guys to imagine the Marlins get a call.

The reason that I found this so interesting is because I couldn't believe how calm Samson was throughout at a time that was publicly perilous for this kind of accusation to make an appearance the Marlins are getting a call that one of their top executives and I think you guys narrowed it down the accusation was either you or the owner of the team had is on tape on audio saying racist things that's all you're getting in terms of what the call is, right? Yeah, we were asked to comment.

We were called by the Man of the Times saying they're releasing a story that they've got someone on tape and they're going to play the tape. And we called in our PR people. I happen to, if you remember, you were my first call, interestingly enough, when this happened. And I knew very well that the way I talk to players, the way I talk to people, whether I'm an ambient or not, I don't say things that are racist because I'm not racist.

So I never actually thought that it could be me. On the other hand, there were certain things that go on inside a clubhouse, certain things that go on in a conversation where there could be me around bad things that are said. Because I wasn't the best when I was the president of the team of quashing things that were misogynistic or homophobic and things that I wish I had done better, sort of the locker room situation

that today I would be different. But I was resolute and said to them, you're going to play me that tape because if you don't, you are going to lose the lawsuit. And I had the lawyer ready and they would have lost. So they played the tape and I understand it was someone imitating me and I knew it immediately, but I knew why they thought it was me. And the agreement we came up with was play the tape, be my guest, because I will make sure that people know that was

not me and you're going to look like an idiot. And they played the tape. And what really was telling about that is you talk about who do I trust around the Marlins front office and the meetings we had, everyone was rooting that if anyone said something that it was me and not the owner. And that was a troubling moment for me in my career, I'll tell you that. Well, can you tell us what the initial reaction, where it is, the part of this story, that's the best part of the story to me,

I don't know whether you're comfortable making public or not. You say that in a way that gives you no choice. The owner was hoping that it was me and not him. But in a way that you saw on his face as it's revealed. When it was revealed at the point we were together in a room and we were listening to the tape together.

And the relief that he had when it was my voice and not his was palpable in a way that made me realize that I was alone on an island. It's so horrible! That's your boss! It's a comedy skit! It's your boss, but it's also family! It's just like, yes!

Woo! Woo! Thank God no one was recording that moment. Alright, we're gonna come back with Sampson in a second. Hey DraftKings fans, are you ready to elevate your game day snacking experience? This college football season, we're feeling the cheesiest with Cheez-It. That's right, delicious Cheez-It crackers not only satisfy your snack cravings for game day excitement, but they are also amplifying your football watching experience with a new daily fantasy sports game. Best of all, since Cheez-It is made with 100% real cheese, the game is 100% free to play

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Don LeBretard! We love you, we've got you, we've all got each other. See draft kings.com slash cheese it for full details. Don LeBattard. We love you. We've got you. We've all got each other. Let's go right now. Stugats. One, two, three, Brett. One, two, three, Brett! This is the Don LeBattard show with the Stugats. We don't get a lot of sex tape scandals in sports and we certainly don't get a lot of sex tape broadcaster scandals in sports. But I got to think that I'm rare among the people listening to this that if I say to you you have the Shannon Sharp

Video and audio do you want to see that and hear that or? Would you prefer like me to hear the audio of Shannon Sharp then discussing that with executives at? then discussing that with executives at ESPN, I'd prefer the second audio to the first, to just hear the general reaction of everything there when it's fear instead of funny, where it's not, yes, the internet's laughing about this, but is it okay for us to laugh as a company? Especially, again, and I will say this,

Shannon went on the air before we heard or saw from the executives in any way. I would care about how it is the woman involved in this feels before I went to making fun of this. The modern day post-sex cigarette is just a scroll through social media. So I'm just imagining him getting done, laying out, rolling over and just, all right, let me check to see what's going on here through social media. So I'm just imagining him getting done, laying out, rolling over, and just,

all right, let me check to see what's going on here in social media, what'd I miss? Oh, shit. Are you like me, Samson, that you would like to just hear what the conversations were as people became very afraid of this? I've had conversations like that with people, so of course, that

it always is what interests me. You can get a sex tape anywhere you want these days. You can get just audio, video, whatever you want. That what goes on in the room where things happen is obviously going to be more interesting. And putting the funny instead of the fear, I think that's where we live here on this show. And that is a very, very small piece of real estate in today's sports media. I wanted to ask the group here, I learned this on the way out of the home this morning.

Do you guys know the phrase misophonia? Does anyone here know what misophonia is? I did not know before leaving the house today, and my wife informed me, this is something I'm learning five years into marriage and I'm learning it this morning that the sound of people eating is something that Really bothers her triggers her now. It is That the formal definition of this is that it may cause, misophonia may cause a reaction to sounds

such as dripping water, chewing, snapping gum, repetitive noises such as pencil tapping. That's the formal definition. But my wife, and it wasn't while I was eating, but I did ask her because I was curious, if this is something I'm learning about you right now, does it mean that you've been annoyed every time we're eating because you're perpetually

perturbed by the sound of people eating? Samson, you have some funny things that irritate you, anything in this realm? I don't get irritated by noise, actually. I get irritated by two things that I try to fix and that people get upset when I mention. And that is the saliva that comes in the corner of the mouth and the streak. Hold on a second. We're onboarding somebody here. And so we lost the sound on David Sampson and the last of what it is that he was

saying here, because we're onboarding Gandler, the co-founder and CEO of Fubo, who apparently has some objections to something that David Sampson said, but finish the last, it only clipped the last part of your sentence, David. What were you saying? I was saying what bothers me is the line of spit from the top to the bottom of the mouth and in the corners, and I'm very conscious of that. And I pointed out when it's happening and also things in people's teeth, my teeth and others, those are things that I feel like you should have some awareness of in terms of the sound.

I would only say that, no, no, I am not Miss O'Faniac. We're going to bring on David Gandler. What are your thoughts on spittle in the side of the mouth and things in people's teeth and the sound of people chewing, David? Well, can you take a look at my teeth? I guess I can't. I can see your teeth from here.

Yes. You don't seem to have anything in your mouth. You don't seem to have any spittle. David, you're always using a kerchief or something or a towel. Like, why does, why does spittle get caused? Are you drinking enough water? Like, I don't think a lot

of people have spittle in the corner of their mouth. I do not I use that the handkerchief that you see every time I do a show I actually use it for schvitz I use it more to make sure that I'm not going like this what I do for the spittle which I don't have is I do this I do the quick corner down with my thumb and my pointer. All right. Let me explain to the audience why David Gandler is on with us. He is leading a fight against venue sports to protect consumers from a sports streaming monopoly. I've told

you I'm sort of fascinated by everything that's happening in streaming and how sports fans are already being priced out in a way that seems unreasonable and unfair. He saw a video recently of Sampson and Skipper and Pablo talking on the sporting class, which I will say again is the best sports business podcast, most expertise I've seen anywhere in the market. And David was listening to it. And a lot of people, people in business are listening to this podcast because the information that David and Skipper have is so far inside of sports that they're learning things from this podcast but david your objection was what and thank you for joining us i i'm

going to just refer to you as gandler from now on since we have to david and you're both on remote uh... can you thank you for joining us and what is your objection to what samson said it's not really an objection it's just i wanted to make sure you guys understood exactly what the situation is about and I wanted to make sure that we explain to your audience exactly what we're fighting for. We're actually fighting for your audience, fighting for consumers and just like you guys,

we're also sports fans and we want consumers to pay the lowest price for the most sports that they can get access to. What is Fubo fighting Disney, Fox and Warner Brothers on? What is this fight about? Yeah, so very simply you have three very large companies, Disney, Fox and Warner Brothers, and collectively they control over 60% of prime time sports. And what they wanted to do was create their own service that they would have exclusively for themselves with no competition, effectively creating a monopoly in the sports space.

And they attempted to also keep it exclusive to themselves for some period of time until they eliminate competition and that allowed them, would allow them to manipulate pricing. And as you said, correctly so, is that the price of these services has increased. I think someone on your show actually said that cable might even be cheaper, you know, given the number of services that you need to subscribe to. But I think David that what happened with the injunction and what you're trying to do,

it has, to me, you still have the ability to get those channels at the same terms as all the other providers. So they're not going to use specifically in saying, because of Venue, we're no longer offering the individual channels in the package to other streamers. And so when you're alleging that it is an antitrust violation, what has to be proven and you've started that process is that they have engaged in something that's anti-competitive

and to the detriment, not just of you, but of all of the people in that space, that's going to be a tougher one to win. even though you did get the injunction. I assume, David, you're gonna keep going now. Yes, absolutely. I think if you read the judge's ruling, I think she put out a 70-page document. She basically said the only reason we got the preliminary injunction

is because she believes that our claims are very valid and she believes that there's a high likelihood we will win on the merits of this case. And therefore, she ruled in favor of this preliminary injunction, which as you know, the bar is extremely high, particularly from an antitrust perspective. And I would say there's probably about three buckets that are very important here. One is you certainly want to prevent the abuse of market power. This is a situation where, as I said, three major players with 60% of the rights give themselves the type of flexibility that they won't give anybody else.

So that's one. The second is you want to make sure that consumers benefit from lower prices. And as you know, historically, the more competition you look at mobile, you look at other services, prices tend to go down. If you look at Disney Plus over the last four years, the prices doubled. We should expect that if there are fewer services, or in this case, one sole provider, the price will go up and relatively quickly, as the judge saw from some of the documentation as part of the discovery process.

But David, what exactly is winning to you? You've gotten the injunction, if there is a finding that there is an antitrust, tell me how you would say to your cap table and to your customers and investors, what is winning? Well, we've always said this. We've never said we wanted to be the only ones to do this. We've tried to do this for 10 years

to provide a service that was sports centric, that was priced efficiently for people who really just want sports and want to get their entertainment somewhere else. What we want to see is a level playing field. There is no reason why we have to pay more than anybody else in the market. There's no reason why we have less flexibility than anyone else.

We have a growing customer base that's very happy with our service, and we just wanna see a level playing field. I don't know why that's such a hard thing to want in America. We're all capitalists, we're all Americans, and we're fighting for equality. But are you saying that the terms that are being offered

to you by ESPN as an example are different than the terms offered to the other streamers? Yes, of course. I mean, I'll give you a few examples. So I think yesterday you guys, or the other day you talked about penetration rates, right? How many customers get a specific channel? The channels that we get from these providers

are all 100% penetration. That means that every person who signs up would effectively sign up to get CNN, would effectively sign up to get Discovery, even though they don't want those channels, right? We've been forced to take unwanted channels to access must have programming. And so we're probably the only service

that has to take all the channels and also have 100% penetration rates, meaning that every customer gets that. That's besides the excessive. You can't keep saying penetration rates when we've been talking about Shannon Sharp. I've got a bunch of toddlers working for me. You just can't, choose another phrase, please.

I see it on their faces. They're just children. They're children. Well, you're investors ready for the longterm here, David, because this is gonna be costly. And I'm not calling you a corner bookstore going against Amazon, but on the other hand, the fight that you're now fighting, it's going to cost money and time.

Are you dug in? I am dug in. This is a Cinderella story. We, for 10 years years defied gravity, continued to deliver results for our consumers, for our shareholders, for our employees. We've won this preliminary injunction, which as I said, the bar is extremely high. I think everybody was surprised, except for me personally. I walked out that first day and hopefully, you know, your peanut gallery knows what this is.

Right? I came out that first day after opening arguments that I knew, you know, we were in the right and so we will fight for consumers and I think something has really changed over the last 35 years. If you guys remember, the distributor was always the bad guy, right? Hurting the network, hurting the programmers. I think what we've done is we've effectively flipped that out of its head.

And today it's become clear that it's the programmers that have been misbehaving this whole time. And we just want to set the record straight. David, thank you for being on with us again, co-founder and CEO of Fubo. And I will tell you that again, and I will keep telling you that what Pablo Torre and David Sampson and John Skipper are doing on Fridays,

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that is winning a whole bunch of awards. And he joins us now with David Samson. Pablo, how uncomfortable are you with how much is changing in the way that fans and customers and consumers are allowed to get their video sports against what their expectations are, and how they've already had it because there's going to be a great deal of discomfort here and I'm of the belief that much of the division that there is in America right now comes from people being really angry that they simply can't afford things. Then just super pissed off that if you're trying to get a piece of avocado toast in New

York it's $27 like it's just it's asinine where it is that prices have gone on all this stuff sports included yeah look Samson has made fun of me when I have claimed on the sporting class that as consumers we were promised something which was a better experience as a fan that was also cheaper. Cheaper being part of the better. The internet would come, we'd only pay for the stuff that we wanted to eat, in fact, and so we wouldn't pay for all the stuff we never watched. That was the whole, of course, the whole critique of ESPN and why was it such a great business model. That's what we were promised is what I have claimed

and David always said to me, you're so naive to think that that was ever actually a deal that was struck. But now we're seeing that actually it's not better and it's not cheaper, it's in fact more expensive and harder to operate. And I think all of this Dan, look, in some way we can even move beyond just like, what's it like as a fan to try and watch

and afford the sports that we love. Down the line, right? Like the domino effect here of the distribution being disrupted and the cable business being disrupted and Fubo and all these lawsuits and all that stuff. What's going to happen is that it will have a reckoning when it comes to actual salaries in sports. You know, like for now, players are largely insulated by all of this change because the rights deals are going up and they're making more money. But at a certain point, when tech companies don't want to spend as much money to pay effectively the players through the owners who get these deals, these multi-billion dollar deals that are only going up so far, when that goes down, all of this is going to feel cheaper.

Sports is not going to feel like, man, the one place where money is no object. It's going to feel very, very different. And I think we're not there yet, obviously, the one place where money is no object, it's going to feel very, very different. And I think we're not there yet, obviously, but it's coming. And so all of this is tied together in ways that we don't fully appreciate. So Pablo, I'm trying to understand, are you calling for a bubble in either sports valuations or ticket prices or player salaries? What specific bubble are you referring to? I'm saying that the peak in terms of what players got paid, David, as you know, was premised on a robust marketplace of businesses that had cash flow that could really only

be guaranteed at that scale by the cable television bills America was paying. And so tech companies, they're just not gonna wanna pay as much. And when the big networks don't exist in the same way with SD pockets, well, they're just not gonna wanna pay as much. And when the big networks don't exist in the same way with SD pockets, well, they're not gonna have to because they're not gonna be competing against them anymore. Trying to outbid them. There's zero proof of this, Pablo. I'm sorry, there's no proof of it at all.

What you may be talking about is that when sports have been regional and now they're gonna become more national and Adam Silver and Rob Manfred have both talked about this, the NFL, this is where they are. They are a national product with their media rights. So I'm just not, I'm not seeing what you're seeing. I'm saying that when you can't charge as much,

if you can't charge these increases, right? The NBA rights deal is triple what it used to be. I don't, I'm not saying that we are at the bubble right now. I am just saying that that pace of growth is unsustainable and eventually tech companies are not going to want to pay as much as the networks had been paying. And so if those networks aren't around as much in that same financial way, then how can you possibly sustain the pace of

growth and the salaries that sports has been benefiting from. So look, I'm not calling the peak yet. I'm not calling the top of the market yet. But, you know, I would say in 10, 15 years, I do absolutely see it. I think I'm getting that misophonia thing now. Am I chewing just from hearing them talk? Just Pablo talking. It's just it's just Pablo talking. It's just Pablo.

Does Pablo have breakfast bar in his mouth or something? No. It's just the way he talks? It's just his voice talking about this with David, all of it. Morning cotton mouth? Is that what's happening? Is Pablo not? Pablo's working too much?

No, I don't think you're understanding. It's Pablo speaking in just that. OK. I'm sorry. That's a good thing. We're saying that's good? No. This is a fetish someone has.

It sounded bad, Pablo. It's just, it's too much. Hey, I hear you have a fun episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out today. It's a great episode. Yeah, let me, hold on, let me shed the, anything, by the way, that ends in a phonia, I guess is not good.

Are there any good things that end in phonia? Oh, please, you're not making it better. Probably not phonia. Today's episode is awesome. I love today's episode because it's about a mystery, Dan. Like we all get I'll ask this of the shipping container. I want to get you guys involved because I can talk about the economic doom befalling all of us for a long time.

Big Pre Game Show. How we got how the Patriots got Tom Brady is a story that's maybe the most famous origin story in sports in the history of drafts. And we think we all know it, right? How did the Patriots get Tom Brady? I asked you this question. They drafted him in the sixth round. Sixth round, was that a compensatory pick?

Pick number 199, sixth round, a compensatory pick. And so I've heard ask you, well, how do the Patriots get that pick? How do they get pick number 199? You would say what? No idea. You would say, right, compensatory, period, right? The compensatory pick is a black box

that is one of the most fascinating stories in the NFL because no one knows how the **** it works. NFL GMs have no idea what pick they're going to get. There is, it turns out, a secret formula. There are secret deliberations. There is a ranking, okay, that I learned about reporting this episode, a ranking of every player in the NFL that is kept by the league office that they update throughout the year based on value. They rank top to bottom offense, defense,

and special teams on one master list. The most valuable to least valuable players in the NFL. And they use that to determine which players are dispersed. Is it just Madden? So it is like God's fantasy football big board. It is basically like Madden, except no one has ever seen this list. I don't think anybody really knows even vaguely that it exists. It is confidential and no one can see it, not even the teams that are trying to game the system to get certain compensatory picks.

Tom Brady, that pick came out of this secret system to the point where no one has known for 25 years how the Patriots got picked number 199. It is a paternity mystery. It is a thing that no one has ever known. Until now. Until now. What does that have to do with the 198 people who passed on him?

What does it have to do with it? Like, isn't that more interesting? Okay. No, it's not. Everyone's been doing that one, David. David, you don't know how to promote an episode. David, like, you just undercut. See, people around here don't root for other people on their team. This happens all the time. David's already pissed off. He's like,

I'm in my segment, I'm doing my segment. Why is Pablo here? Does he not have enough resources? Does he not have enough resources? Does he not have enough attention? Does he not have enough awards? And now we're going to marvel at his amazing story in my segment. He's pissed off and he's not rooting for Pablo. David's been on air with us for 75 minutes. First of all, is that 75 Canadian? It's felt like 75 minutes and you're jealous that Pablo, that we're once again promoting something of Pablo's

instead of something of yours. It's just another Thursday at Metalhead. What's your movie review? I'm not giving you a movie review. Oh no, now he's gonna withhold the movie review. Come on. Oh no, not. No, we need the 900th movie review from David Samson this month. No, see, this is going

to get ugly in a second. You guys better be careful. This will get ugly between Samson and Pablo. Everybody's elbowing everybody at metal arc. Everybody wants their own space. We've never had cameras roll during some of the ugly conversations. And if you want to go Pablo, we can go because I'm beginning to learn more and more about how things work with your show. And I have found out I can do a whole show of stuff. I found out about your show and how it operates.

And let's do David Samson finds out. Let's do David Samson finds out. Dare you dare you to, there's a double dog. There's been a double dog. I find one thing out Samson find one thing I let's just say that okay Pablo are you sure you want to go down this road when I may have access to things that you're that you don't even have access hacker this sounds like a threat a dare and a threat let's do this David Samson finds out buddy where

we're going we don't need roads. Who has a better penetration rate? I knew it was gonna get back to that. He's been thinking about that since the Fubo guy was on. Like he's been thinking about 100% penetration rate the entire time. We're talking sports business with the chairman and founder of a major streaming service.

And all Cody was doing the whole time was thinking about Shannon Sharpe's ability to penetrate. Yes, the third time that Fubo guy said penetration rate, I lost Chris Cody entirely. Fake breaking, Sharpe. To the point that you had to break in. You broke into the interview to tell him to stop saying it. Chris Cody, how old is that dolphin shirt you're wearing

as you climb the executive ranks getting closer to the CEO of Fubo? It's just an old logo. It's actually pretty new, the shirt. Let's do David Sampson finds out. We have been denied a movie review. That's Pablo's fault and now the beef has escalated. Pablo and Sampson aren't getting along in New York.

There's tension between the shows. We spend too much time together. That's a real issue. It's like when you move in with someone and you're like, I think I could tolerate this guy. And now I just realized. If I have to look at your blue sweater one more time. All right, enough, gentlemen.

Gentlemen, enough. All right, Pablo, you're- You sit in a giant baseball glove. We're on the same team. You sit in a giant goddamn baseball glove. We are on the same team, please, gentlemen. It's actually a regular-sized baseball glove. I've got-

Oh, come on. That's the right thing to say. Come on. It's one, I'll tell you. It's what? It's Jose Altuve's glove. Hey y'all it's Mike and as you know it is football season. The all consuming football season. You live it, you breathe it, And you want to watch it as much as possible, both on your TV but also sometimes you want to be a part of that atmosphere. But guess what? You don't have tickets. It's a sold out event. What are you going to do? Well, I'll tell you exactly what you do. You download the Game Time app. For my money, it's the best app on that

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