The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Please Tell The World My Story (feat. Pablo Torre)

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

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Pablo Torre is going to join us here in a little bit, and I've got Bill Belichick. I'm going to put news in quote marks, but I'm gonna ask you guys and Pablo some opinions on this because I do think it is news that for the first time that I've seen Belichick is going out of his way to say something counter to Bob Kraft This the last few years of whatever their breakup was has Belichick being real quiet about how he feels about Kraft while Kraft clearly makes a 10 part Apple documentary that makes it look like Belichick

was to blame for everything that went wrong in New England. And Belichick has been quiet about that, but he's not anymore. He has done something that is for him I think newsmaking but the thing that I just read that I wanted to get to has a shocking fact in it that I really didn't know until I just read this story about LeBron James the story about LeBron that reports that he hasn't had buyout or trade discussions with the Lakers and he expects to be with the team.

And one of the sentences in that story says the following, and I really was caught off guard, legitimately by the end of this. The Lakers have received no indication from James or his representatives that he would request a trade or asked to be bowed out of the final year of his contract, which will be his eighth season with the Lakers, the longest consecutive stretch spent with one organization in his career i'd

i can't believe that like i'm reading and i'm like is that true all it is true all my god he's been there eight years i'd i've read that sentence i had to do a double-take i'm like that cannot be right that he's been with the lakers more than he's been with cleveland consecutively no i know but i'm saying that i think that I think of the start of his career as being longer than the time of what... I think of his time with the Cavs at the start of his career trying to get to the finals as something that took longer than the time...

I think of him as a five-year player with the Lakers. I don't know if it's the pandemic that screwed me up, but I do not think of him as that for the Lakers. Eight years is, to have that be the longest tenure of his career, you could win some trivia games, I think, if you start asking people that question. How about twice as long as he was with the Heat? Yeah. Like that's another one, right?

Half the championships. That's true. Man, that is some quick Homer math that Jeremy did there. The two of them just speaking the same language, like the two of them just speaking the same language, like the two of them connecting eyes, finishing each other's sentences. Yeah, but then it gets dicey because then you can say,

well, it was a bubble title, right? So then do you take that championship away because then you also take away a finals appearance from the Heat. So what do you do in that instance as? I don't do anything, the Heat didn't win it. What do I care? I'm just saying, well, hold on a second. You think I brag to people about the heat didn't win it. What do I care? I'm just saying and well hold on a second

Well, I mean yes, that's what we're holding up for Pat Riley finals of here You mean the greatest nine sports history it was okay I'm glad we've resolved that Pablo Torrey find out is that doesn't know anything his kids are running away from him good card That's not how running away works buddy doesn't seem like you're exactly a disciplinarian here you may not let him the kid already went and bought a flight and bought tickets to an event in another state behind your back you think he gives a shit what you say no he doesn't respect you out of here

how's he gonna get a hotel or a car? Is he traveling with another adult? Do you have a fake ID? Real tight ship you're on over there in the Zazzle Manor. It's a mansion! Zazz, apparently you can skate around Airbnb. Like if you put the car down, apparently Airbnb is easier than hotels. I gotta be honest, I don't know the difference between a manor and a mansion. I don't know, put it on the poll. The Zazzle's delusion.

At LeBattard Show, do you know the differences between a manor and a mansion? Let's bring in someone highfalutin that we keep around here in order to answer the highfalutin questions. Pablo Torre, Pablo Torre finds out, he's trying to go from the podcast world of Manor to Mansion with all the stories that he's doing.

What is the difference between the two things, do you know? I think Manor is like Beauty and the Beast. You know, it's where like the Beast lives. Mansion, I think Manor is ahead of Mansion. I think it's above Mansion. I think Mansion is, you know, there are lots of Mansions, Beverly Hills, you know. That Beast lived in a castle

This is crazy talk. Yeah, you know a manor a manor is like an estate I feel like I think a manor entails more than merely the structure it means that maybe you got like Grounds to go fizz and hunting mansion Everybody who's well-read like me and Pablo know that a manor is ideal. Yep bunch of illiterates around here On the pole at lebatard show what's better mansion or manner? I think manner manner also has a royal connotation does it and hauntings also. Yes. Yeah, so you guys seen salt burn Yes, we've talked about salt burn seen I mean that yeah that tub is a manners tub not a mansion's tub That is a manners tub mansion tub, not a mansion's tub. That is a manor's tub.

Mansion's gonna win that poll though. Hell yeah it is. You wanna bring up with Pablo Torre what it is that you were saying about how it is that he teased his latest episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out in a way that didn't make you think that he had done anything other than uncovered some guy named Moose on the internet.

Well, you know, I thought maybe it was a short. I saw like a five minute clip. I was like, if this is it. But no, apparently there's a lot of layers of this onion to peel back. So Pablo, I will be checking it out later. I don't believe you. You've said that twice. You keep saying that every time he comes on. None of you are listening to Pablo's podcast. It's obvious in your every comment.

I appreciate Chris very cowardly walking back though, what he's already established earlier on the show. My sources close to this show have informed me of what Chris has said. Manor, I think we nailed it, personally. I can't really tell, it's very small text in this tiny zoom window. I feel like we nailed it.

A large country house with lands, the principal house of a landed estate. So he's trying to promote you from a mansion to a manor. I do nothing to try to set this guy up for success, but you can't help him get out of his own way. A mansion is generally a large, luxurious house, often modern, and its primary focus is on size and opulence. I don't know what opulence means,

but that sounds like a really good thing to have. No. A mansion's for the poor's. The poor's rich. Yes, yes, yes. Lands, you want lands, you want gentry, you want landed gentry, you want people killing your fields. I want opulence.

Mansions are new money, manors are old money. If you can't go pheasant hunting on your land, what do you want it for? Yep, if you can't accidentally be cursed by a witch on your property somewhere turning into a beast, not interested. What were we talking about? She was a trespasser. Angel, do me the favor please of putting together a t-shirt, lebatardaf.com of Zaslo as he presently

looks shouting, I want opulence. Pablo Torre Finds Out is the name of the podcast, and as I was saying earlier. Oh right, that, we're talking about me. Look, Chris is obviously wrong, but whatever, I don't need to belabor that point. The point here simply is that, you know who else wanted opulence?

The characters in this episode. And there is no clip that can summarize the layers of this. I've been hardened by the way that people describe my own show to me and you guys do it the most insultingly. But other things I've heard are along the true crime kind of style of podcasting, which is weird because what we're doing is like actual again, not whatever. I'll be the guy who says we do journalism because we do journalism, but we do it in a way that unfurls like a true crime story. That's why you gotta listen to the whole thing. It's thorough storytelling that you're trying

to give a click generation 30 seconds so that they come listen to you, but tell them why they should be interested in this story. For people who don't want to do deep dives, they don't want an hour of Malik Beasley, tell them why this story's interesting. So if you're a heat homer like all you guys are, number one, we reported first,

and it turns out not exclusively, that Terry Rozier not cleared by the FBI investigation into legalized sports gambling throughout the NBA. That had not been out there. Tom Haverstrow helped us nail that down just for you guys in South Florida. Number two, turns out that there is a mystery that has befuddled the entirety of the NBA, which is how was it that a guy on Twitter months before, in

January, months before Malik Beasley got named in this FBI probe in the Eastern district of New York's federal investigation, how is it that this guy predicted it? How did that happen? Nobody's federal investigation, how is it that this guy predicted it? How did that happen? Nobody else knew it. How is it, furthermore, that that guy turns out to be a character that you may have interacted with on Twitter if you're an NBA Twitter addict like me and Amin Elhassen and Tom Haber show the three people on this episode?

And it gets to Jontay Porter, it gets to Larsa Pippen, it gets to Carmelo Anthony, it gets to that Dante DiVincenzo III, it gets to a notebook that has the word trap and two exclamation points on it that has rules for smoking weed inside Malik Beasley's house. It gets to something called the Parade of Homes in the Twin Cities actually where there is a parade a a tour to go and see the biggest most opulent homes in the twin cities area that resulted in the leak easily pointing a rifle at a car full of people that helped uncover all of the story for us in legal documents so all this is

very germane to everything you're saying and that's not even getting to the fact that oh by the way i think we did an investigation that's more exhaustive than the literal FBI did it's all it is a good investigation i will call I will call Pablo and a thing that he did dirty because there was like to two seconds in the episode where I'm seeing a text exchange in which I'm seeing the iPhone and I see the I'm assuming Pablo's iPhone, the source is just calling Malik Beasley a dumbass

and I'm like that's not journalism. That's just an iPhone. That's just an iPhone and a text that Pablo got from somebody. I believe his sources and I believe he's credible and I believe that Malik Beasley is indeed a dumbass, but that's cheap. Well, this is the thing. This is why we attract via clip, and then we keep you with the honey of whatever. Not all of us. Well, listen, the point is, when somebody texts me

who knows really well the teammates current and former of Malik Beasley, you're right, Dan. I shouldn't take that. And so, at face value. And so what I did was I spent an hour getting to the bottom of it. It's kind of like the beginning. And we wouldn't publish that, of course, if it wasn't validated and justified,

reported out in future minutes of that podcast. But Chris Cody just needs to know that I think this is a story about a lot of guys like Chris Cody that the NBA has no understanding of. And not only the NBA, but the the government the federal government tasked with investigating all of this they don't understand how the sausage gets made when it comes to the world of legalized sports betting either and It's a remarkable thing to see that wait a minute Maybe the people we got to understand to understand a very complicated story on its face is Actually a lot of people that we've been tweeting with. It's been there the whole time. Don LeBattard!

Pablo leads all of podcasting in reading while smiling. If you listen to ESPN Daily, he sounds like he's having the time of his life. Stugats! Coming up next, I'm gonna tell you how the Savannah Bananas are changing things. Savannah Bananas! How do you know I'm smiling? How do you know I'm smiling? That's how I find my vocal range. Sometimes I just say, Savannah Bananas. Savannah Bananas.

This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugats. Let me explain to the folks who want the details that are there. Let me explain to the folks who want the details that are there. Let me explain to the folks who want the details that are there. Go to Pablo Torre Finds Out and you can get everything. It's more on Malik Beasley than you're getting anywhere else because the details are great. The Moose character who revealed this now regrets revealing this, correct?

Regrets putting you guys on the case so that you can now find out who that was, and now this is a person who's telling people, or thought he was telling people anonymously, I know things because he knew things, but now these are not things you want known by these people who are now, you know, you're in crime. You're in the business of crime. Well, listen, I always keep thinking, Dan, of that quote from the Big Short, where they're investigating the guys

at the ground level of the mortgage crisis. And one of the characters turns to the other, and he asks them, why are they confessing? And the guy goes, they're not confessing, they're bragging. That is so much of the story. It's the story of meme coins and trying to raise money via private discords for something called National Coin Association with the NBA logo

was like the parody thing for the coin. Yes, it is my favorite thing, by the way. My favorite thing in this episode of the many things I love about this is that we had Tom Haverstrow knock on the front door, like call up the guy ask him will you do an interview with Pablo Torre finds out and the guy's like yeah the guy I've heard of that show before and they have a conversation in which he realizes at the point that Dan is describing I have made an enormous mistake and you see it, you hear it. It's just rare. Again, that's the true crime aspect of it, but journalism in real time,

you hear someone regret opening the can of worms that will result in yes, potentially, actual legal consequences, real things in life. And it starts so stupid. My favorite things start so stupid and they get serious and smart But also funny the whole way through but also darkly funny the whole way through There is no better case study in that than this episode

I think so give me the top item to get people over there before I get to other subjects including Bill Belichick If I say the best dark funny thing that you have in there, it is blank. Oh my God. It's Tom Havrestrow trying to bro out with this guy immediately. Tom Havrestrow says, how are you doing on this fine Tuesday? Like he's trying to relate immediately. If you know Tom at all, it's just like, I love that.

I just love that. Okay, that's super inside and awkward. And it's dark funny to you because it's Havrestrow trying to do and awkward and it's dark funny to you because it's Aberstrow trying to do investigative work and he's gonna be clumsy at it. Cause he's gonna- But the best part is that he gets the goods.

This awkward guy sidling up to you at the bar who's like basically, I mean, literally in this case, recording the call, having disclosed that is trying to bro out with this dude. And it's so awkward But you get everything you click on the episode to hear everything is my point So funny, but not dark funny. The funniest thing in the episode is blank. Oh my god that we had a producer Watch Madea's family reunion five times to search for Malik Beasley and that detail pays off in a way that can only be described As relevant to the federal government. So thereley and that detail pays off in a way that can only be described as relevant

to the federal government. So there's that. That's a good dismount. Five times. All right, I'm in on this. And well, but this is consistent to what, I would just tell people again and again that if you're watching the phenomenon

of what's happening with podcasts and where it is that intimate storytellers get in your head in a way that connects with things because people still like to discern what's good and separate it from all the antiseptic shit that everyone else is making. What Pablo is making does deeper dives on things regularly than anyone in sports journalism is doing.

And in this particular case, if I say the most interesting detail from this story that's going to end up being something that has consequences that we'll look back on years from now and say, ah, that's what the gambling stuff did to sports back then. While we were clucking about Pete Rose, like that was the real stuff that was happening. Yeah, it's that amid these incentives,

these new incentives in which all these ways exist for people to have interests that diverge from their employers, players versus NBA teams, it turns out that we stumbled upon real evidence that the John T. Porter scandal was underestimated by the federal government. That in their own reporting, in the FBI's research and investigation, we think they undershot it. We think it went deeper and earlier and we have the way that this connects to Malik Beasley, to Terry Rogier, but really it's the fact that even the government, I think has some level of this wrong.

I think they don't understand the scope of it. I don't think they're as fluent as Tom Haberstro, Meen Elhassen, and me and NBA Twitter addicts, then frankly they ship a container. When it comes to knowing, when it comes to crypto, gambling, and basketball, these are three things that are so intertwined and the government isn't internet,

NBA Twitter brained enough to get it yet. But I think we have here at Metalark media a bunch of people actually that might be You ever think to myself You know what I Pablo Torre have found out enough or I found out a little bit too much about this like I like My kneecaps I have a family Maybe I should find out a little less about this situation by the way that frankly ahead of the shipping container a little bit of an undercut but you know You worried someone's gonna kill you that's really

All fair points kind of I mean if I am disappeared the unfortunate reality is that there are no multiple suspects and by the way it's just tomorrow's episode Thursday's episode is Not us taking the foot off the gas like there is something else that's gonna be a thing I think and Thursday's episode is not us taking the foot off the gas. Like there is something else that's gonna be a thing, I think, and yeah, please tell the world my story if you never hear from me again. That would be my request.

This is a bit dramatic. Seems not worth it to be perfectly honest with you. I disagree. I mean, you're willing to risk Pablo's life. I'd go a step further. He will not have succeeded at Metal Arc until he gets the Epstein files. So-

Oh, I thought until it'd be worse than death. Hey, that birdwatching episode, man, is still waiting. I'm still, the counter, the counter is still being monitored. I'm ready. I just need more people to watch birdwatching. Please tell the world my story is what it's going to say on Pablo's actual tombstone. And then the world is going to say,

eh, we'll get to it. Oh, god. How long is it going to take? There's three Schwaber bombs in it? I don't have time for this. The world's going to say, oh, yeah, that teaser clip should have been a little more concise. I wish he'd done it quicker.

Bill Belichick, I want to know how much you guys were interested, because I don't know if you went and looked it up, or you know what I'm talking about. Do you guys have any interest in Bill Belichick responding to Robert Kraft, yes or no? Yes. Is Jordan involved? Sure.

Jordan says so. You know my answer. So again, I will offer the context of Belichick ate a 10-part docu-series that Kraft OK'd and had editorial oversee on that buried Belichick. I don't know how many people saw it, but it blamed Belichick for just about everything that was wrong there.

And Belichick ate that without saying anything. You don't believe Belichick actually watched it though, right? Man, I bet he did. Why wouldn't you watch something like that? It's a ten-part docu-series and they warn you Hey craft did it like you don't think that there's a human being in there that would just have normal ego that would want to know How they're chronicling ten ten episodes of his dynasty for 20 years? Look, what we've seen, and Pablo's uncovered a lot of it, obviously, from Belichick over the last eight, 10 months does go counter to the guy that we thought he was as head

coach of the Patriots. And that guy wouldn't have been sitting down for 10 hours to watch something that other people are saying about him. But again, his behavior has run counter to what we have known all these years. I think if it was a doc made by the media, I'm with you, but this is like, Craft. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

It was made by Apple TV, but without Craft's blessing. I mean, he's in it, like speaking. No, what, what, let me, let me, look. It's a 10-part docu-series that everyone in New England sees as Bob Kraft taking a hatchet to all things Bill Belichick. And Belichick has never said word one about Kraft that would give you any indication that they have problems.

Not a word. So, Bob Kraft evidently said, and this is the quote that evidently got to Belichick, quote, I gave up a number one draft pick for a coach that only won a little over 40% of his games to get him out. This is the Dudes on Dudes podcast with Gronk and Edelman. Is that a fake podcast name or a real podcast name? Real, baby.

Man, that is so real and I would have guessed fake. Quote, I don't know if there are any Jets fans here. I think Bill Belichick to come to the Patriots in 1999 was a big risk and I got hammered in the Boston area, but he was with us for 24 years. So Belichick responds in a statement to ESPN. Why would he respond to this? Like, why would this be the thing?

Big risk, I took a big risk. Like you don't object to a 10 part docpart docuseries publicly that changes the entire history, but now he says that he took a big risk on you, and here is where you send a statement to ESPN. Quote, as I told Robert multiple times through the year. That's a statement, okay? That's, wait a minute, Pablo, you're an expert here. Is this Bill doing, or is this Jordanne?

Who's doing this? Well, continue the quote and I'll tell you by the end. All right, as I told multiple times, as I told Robert multiple times through the years, I took a big risk, I took a big risk by taking the New England Patriots head coaching job. I already had an opportunity to be the head coach of the New York Jets,

but the ownership situation was unstable. I have been warned by multiple previous Patriots coaches, as well as other members of our other NFL obligate organizations in the media, that the New England job was going to come with many internal obstacles. I made it clear that we would have to change the way the team was managed

to regain the previously attained success. What do you make of that, Pablo? That smells like Air Jordan. to regain the previously attained success what do you make of that problem that smells like air jordan uh... listen the whole thing with jordan and what she does is that your presents bail uh... bill belichick's personal interests right not u n c that's allegedly the case the definition of personal interests that is a definition of like i've been

keeping receipts on you and i've been ready the thing that i don't know if i have said clearly enough but you guys conversations back and forth here reminds me is that the 10-part Belichick documentary thing which is real by the way Don Van Ata at ESPN did incredible reporting showing how this was actually Belichick in the behind the scenes production capacity, like basically having the IP to this. It was almost definitionally Bill Belichick's project, but sorry, Robert Kraft's project, excuse me, Robert Kraft's project. Bill Belichick was blindsided by that. So this was a Robert Kraft project that Belichick did not know about. What Belichick did though, is that he sat for it. So Belichick's in the document that Robert Kraft has the intellectual property rights to per Don Vannana's report.

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next I'm gonna tell you the Savannah bananas how do you know I'm gonna tell you How do you know I'm smiling that's how I find my vocal range sometimes I just say Savannah bananas This is the done libertar show with the stooge ads Let me explain to the folks who want the details that are there. Go to Pablo Torre Finds Out and you can get everything. It's more on Malik Beasley than you're getting anywhere else because the details are great. The Moose character who revealed this now regrets revealing this correct with the river dot supporting that putting you guys uh... on the case so that you can now find out who that was

and now this is a person who's telling people on on our thought he was telling people anonymously i know things because you know things but now these are not things you want known by these people who are now uh you know, you're in crime. You're in the business of crime. Well, listen, I always keep thinking, Dan, of that quote from the Big Short where they're investigating the guys at the ground level of the mortgage crisis. And one of the characters turns to the other and he asks them, why are they confessing?

And the guy goes, they're not confessing, they're bragging. That is so much of the story. It's the story of meme coins and trying to raise money via private discords for something called National Coin Association with the NBA logo as like the parody thing for the coin. Yes, it is my favorite thing, by the way. My favorite thing in this episode of the many things I love about this

is that we had Tom Haverstrow Knock on the front door like call up the guy ask him Will you do an interview with Pablo Torre finds out and the guy's like yeah I think I've heard of that show before and they have a conversation in which he realizes at the point that Dana is describing I have made an enormous mistake and you you see it, you hear it. It's just rare. Again, that's the true crime aspect of it, but journalism in real time,

you hear someone regret opening the can of worms that will result in yes, potentially, actual legal consequences, real things in life. And it starts so stupid. My favorite things start so stupid and they get serious and smart but also funny the whole way through but also darkly funny the whole way through. There is no better case study in that

than this episode I think. So give me the top item to get people over there before I get to other subjects including Bill Belichick. If I say the best dark funny thing that you have in there, it is blank. Oh my God, it's Tom Haverstrow trying to bro out with this guy immediately. Tom Haverstrow says, how are you doing on this fine Tuesday?

Like he's trying to relate immediately. If you know Tom at all, it's just like, I love that. I just love that. Okay, that's super inside and awkward and it's dark funny to you because it's Averstrow trying to do investigative work, and he's gonna be clumsy at it. But the best part is that he gets the goods.

This awkward guy sidling up to you at the bar, who's like basically, I mean, literally in this case, recording the call, having disclosed that, is trying to bro out with this dude, and it's so awkward but you get everything you click on the episode to hear everything is my point so funny but not dark funny the funniest thing in the episode is blank oh my god that we had a producer watch Medea's family reunion five times to search for Malik Beasley and that detail pays off in a way that can only be described as

Relevant to the federal government. So there's that that's a good dismount five times. All right, I'm in on this and and well But this is this is consistent to what I would just tell people again and again that if you're watching the phenomenon of what's happening with podcasts and where it is that intimate storytellers get in your head in a way that connects with things because people still like to discern what's good and separate it from all the antiseptic shit that everyone else is making. What Pablo is making does deeper dives on things regularly than anyone in sports journalism is doing and in this particular case if I say the most interesting detail from this story

that's going to end up being something that has consequences that we'll look back on years from now and say ah that's what the gambling stuff did to sports back then while we were clucking about pete rose like that was the real stuff that was happening yeah it's that amid these incentives these new incentives in which all these ways exist for people to have interests Like that was the real stuff that was happening. Yeah, it's that amid these incentives, these new incentives in which all these ways exist for people to have interests that diverge from their employers, players versus NBA teams, it turns out that we stumbled upon real evidence

that the John T. Porter scandal was underestimated by the federal government. That in their own reporting, in the FBI's research and investigation we think they undershot it we think it went deeper and earlier and we have the way that this connects to Malik Beasley to Terry Roger but really it's the fact that even the government I think has some level of this wrong I think they don't understand the scope of it I don't think they're as fluent as Tom

Haverestro, Meen Elhassen, and me and NBA Twitter addicts, then frankly they ship a container. When it comes to knowing, when it comes to crypto, gambling, and basketball, these are three things that are so intertwined and the government isn't internet, NBA Twitter brained enough to get it yet. But I think we have here at MetalArk Media a bunch of people actually that might be. You ever think to myself, you know what, I, Pablo Torre, have found out enough, or I found out a little bit too much about this.

Like, I like my kneecaps, I have a family, maybe I should find out a little less about this situation. And by the way, that frankly, ahead of the shipping container, little bit of an undercut, but you know. You worried someone's gonna kill you? That's really the question. All fair points, kind of. I mean, if I am disappeared, the unfortunate reality

is that there are no multiple suspects. And by the way, it's just tomorrow's episode, Thursday's episode, is not us taking the foot off the gas. Like, there is something else that's going to be a thing, I think. And yeah, please tell the world my story if you never hear from me again. That would be my request. Alright, this is a bit dramatic. Seems not worth it to be perfectly honest with you.

I disagree. I mean, you're willing to risk Pablo's life? I'd go a step further. He will not have succeeded at Metal Arc until he gets the Epstein files. Oh, I thought until it'd be worse than death. That birdwatching episode, man, is still waiting. I'm still the counter. The counter is still being monitored.

I'm ready. I just need more people to watch bird watching. Please tell the world my story is what it's going to say on Pablo's actual tombstone. And then the world is gonna say, ah, we'll get to it. Oh, God. How long's it gonna take? Are there three Schwaber bombs in it?

I don't have time for this. The world's gonna say, oh, yeah, that teaser clip should have been a little more concise. I wish he'd done it quicker. Bill Belichick, I wanna know how much you guys were interested because I don't know if you went and looked it up or you know what I'm talking about. Do you guys have any interest in Bill Belichick

responding to Robert Kraft, yes or no? Yes. I'm in on that. Is Jordan involved? Sure. Jordan says so. You know my answer. So again, I will offer the context of Belichick ate a 10-part docu-series that Kraft okayed and had editorial oversee on that buried Belichick. I don't know how many people saw it, but it blamed Belichick for just about everything

that was wrong there, and Belichick ate that without saying anything. You don't believe Belichick actually watched it though, right? Man. I bet he did. Why wouldn't you watch something like that? It's a 10-part docuseries, and they warn you, hey, Kraft did it. Like, you don't think that there's a human being in there

that would just have normal ego that would want to know how they're chronicling 10 episodes of his dynasty for 20 years? Look, what we've seen, and Pablo's uncovered a lot of it obviously, from Belichick over the last 8-10 months does go counter to the guy that we thought he was as head coach to the Patriots, and that guy wouldn't have been sitting down for 10 hours to watch something that other people are saying about him. But again, his behavior has run counter

to what we have known all these years. I think if it was a doc made by the media, I'm with you, but this is like craft. No, but no. It's a crafty area. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was made by Apple TV, but without craft blessing. No, what?

Let me, look. It's a 10-part docu series that everyone in New England sees as Bob Kraft taking a hatchet to all things Bill Belichick and Belichick has never said word one about Kraft that would give you any indication that they have problems not a word so Bob Kraft evidently said and this is the quote that evidently got to Belichick Quote I gave up a number one draft pick for a coach that I only won a little over 40% of his games to get him Out this is the dudes on dudes podcast with Gronk and Edelman

Is that a fake podcast name or real baby man? That is so real and I would have guessed fake a quote. I don't know if there are any Jets fans here. I think Bill Belichick to come to the Patriots in 1999 was a big risk and I got hammered in the Boston area, but he was with us for 24 years. So Belichick responds in a statement to ESPN. Why would he respond to this? Like, why would this be the thing?

Big risk, I took a big risk. Like, you don't object to a 10-part docuseries publicly that changes the entire history, but now he says that he took a big risk on you and here is where you send a statement to ESPN. Quote, as I told Robert multiple times through the years. That's a statement, okay? That's, wait a minute, Pablo, you're an expert here. Is this Bill doing or is this Jordanne? Who's doing this? I'll continue the quote and I'll tell you by the end All right, as I told multiple as I told Robert multiple times through the years. I took a big risk

I took a big risk by taking the New England Patriots head coaching job I already had an opportunity to be the head coach of the New York Jets, but the ownership situation Was unstable. I have been warned by multiple previous Patriots coaches, as well as other members of our other NFL obligate organizations in the media, that the New England job was going to come with many internal obstacles. I made it clear that we would have to change the way the team was managed to regain the previously attained

success. What do you make of that Pablo? That smells like Air Jordan. Listen, the whole thing with Jordan and what she does is that she represents Bill Belichick's personal interests, right? Not UNC, that's allegedly the case. This is the definition of personal interest. That is the definition of like, I've been keeping receipts on you and I've been ready. The thing that I don't know if I have said clearly enough, but you guys' conversations back and forth here reminds me is that the 10-part Belichick documentary thing, which is real, by the way, Don Van Natta at ESPN did incredible reporting showing how this was actually Belichick

in the behind the scenes-scenes production capacity. Like basically having the IP to this. It was almost definitionally Bill Belichick's project, but sorry, Robert Kraft's project, excuse me, Robert Kraft's project. Bill Belichick was blindsided by that. So this was a Robert Kraft project that Belichick did not know about. What Belichick did though is that he sat for it. So Belichick's in the document that Robert Kraft has the intellectual property rights to per Don Van Nanna's report, which is all to say that when Bill Belichick is embracing Jordan Hudson as his media protector, as his shield against bad PR,

part of the reason he's doing it is because he got burned by Bob Kraft. Like, this is all connected. So that was part of the origin story of why did Balachek turn on even his own publishing company? Why did he turn on his media partners? Why did he become so distrustful? It's because a very paranoid person, and we know Balachek can be paranoid when he was with Kraft, became even more paranoid because of Kraft on the way out. And that quote is now a public glimpse into the way that Bill Balachek has been feeling with Jordan Hudson for quite a while now. Don Lebatard. Sub 500 seasons, it's been lonely.

Now the best player's on our side. Been losing and losing for much too long. But now we're back with New York pride. Stugats. Jalen. You've got us on our feet. Jalen. We're gonna win the East J-Land. Without Randall we're still doing fine. This is the Dan LeBattar Show with the Stugats. Can we talk for a second though about the thought behind this?

Like think about what we're talking about here. It's a slow time in sports. You just made your way out of the news cycle even though this cretin is chasing you from Airbnb to Airbnb looking into your bedroom and peering in the cretin. Oh me, you're looking at me. I was like who's the cretin else? This prize-winning, this award-winning cretin here has kept you in the news. It's also on my tombstone, award-winning cre cretin And everyone is telling Belichick just just go away for a while Just make all of this go away for a while for him to send a statement to ESPN And like this time what now?

Now you're gonna do it that is the Jordan Hudson difference It really is like again Belichick wins when he says nothing. He loses when he says stuff. Why is he saying stuff? I have reported exhaustively, I think one thesis as to why that is, but you're totally right. It's an own goal that makes him look smaller than he needs to be because frankly the whole thing is like Bob Kraft trying to also weirdly praise Bill Balichick in the first place, right? It was like a if anything, yes, it was a backhanded compliment, but it was a compliment. Like he's proud of hiring Belichick. It was a risk.

And of course through Jordan Hudson and Bill Belichick's collective lens, that is now a slight that must be reckoned with because we will not be criticized anymore that the days of old Bill are done. This is a new era. And so here we are. Can we just talk about this for a second? No matter who you are, I give you the success that Bill Belichick has had

for the last quarter century. A success with someone else as your boss that you're reporting to. You quietly eat a 10-part documentary that puts the blame for any failures of winning one championship every three years while you were the coach, squarely at your feet again and again and again. Would you all not want to make comment on that? Would you all not want to rebut that in your own way? Wouldn't that be the most human thing in the world? The idea that the umbrage was taken to,

I took a big risk on Bill Belichick, who I will remind people was the Jets coach, but he resigned on a napkin. He was a big risk. He was, because look at his personality. He was a problem. You couldn't make him the face and voice of a team in New York,

because he wasn't gonna sell shit for you. Like, he was a big risk. For't make him the face and voice of a team in New York because he was gonna sell shit for you Like he was a big risk for a big risk to be the end salt and not a 10-part documentary makes no sense to me well, that's where it's kind of like one of those you guys go to like Carnivals and stuff where there's that that game It's like a bunch of coins that pile up and they pile up and they pile up and the whole thing is that at some point You drop a coin Yeah, it becomes a thing like that. All of them always get sucked into that game. I love that game It's one of my favorites. I'm gonna get so many coins

Yeah Jordan Hudson is basically now that game for Bill Balachek Where the slights drop in and at a rate we've never seen before It's jackpot. It's like oh, yes, this is the time we gotta speak. Now is the time. Now the noises are going off, right? Like now we gotta deal with this. So it's, Dan, it's not merely one thing in a vacuum,

it's the accumulation of everything as reminded by the person who I continue to report feeds a PR strategy that is so opposite to what bill Belichick bill Belichick discipline used to be I've got a legitimate question for all of you based on what Pablo just said there because it is one of my favorite things to see or find in an old-timey arcade and I will say it's been my experience with gambling all my life I see a bunch of coins there I put mine in thinking I will get more coins and then I leave with no points as twenty there was dangling over the edge

all that the machine has all my court but i've been complaining lately do you guys that nobody takes cash anymore i told you the other day that i had a woman say to me holding up a nickel what's this worth and so a calling a calling is are these coin machine games still they can't be something that's still being made if the penny cost more than a nickel to make and Trump's talking about eliminating the penny.

I haven't seen that game. Like the one you're talking about now has been moved, it's like headphones now. Like you can win headphones in those types of things. Even worse, all of these games in like Vegas are just like all electronic digital. So you can't even like really necessarily know if it's just computer code telling you

you won or lost versus like. So let me. I like the one with the light. The light going around in a circle and you gotta stop it at the right time. Oh, I'm good at that one too. Yeah. Can you guys pretend that we're talking to an audience

that has no earthly idea of the game that we're talking about with the coins for a moment because I'm guessing that perhaps the generation does not know this game. We don't want them as listeners if they don't know that game. Yeah. Okay, I do. So use the we the way you'd like to in France, leave me out of it.

The royal we. The royal we, yeah. That's fine, but don't speak with me about your we. We manner folk don't want them here. Right Pablo? That's right. You know what I want though from you is to describe that game. Me? Yes, thank you. How you know what I want though from you is to describe that game

Me yes, thank you It's a game where there's a light that goes around you have to hit a button and then if it stops right in front Of where the button is you win all the tickets in the world Okay, and if you get just outside of it you get like four tickets. Yeah We've got a penalty five minutes major asshole Not helpful that's a different game. In any way. How would you explain the game to people Zaslow? Because it is one of my favorites, but I want the audio audience to have a new experience with this game. There is, there's a machine, okay, so it was like a flat surface with all the coins or, or the chips and you put your coin

in and it lands in an area which is open and there's like a mechanism that kind of pushes back and forth the coins and if your coin lands in the right place it'll be a domino effect where your coin will then push the coins all the way up front and they all come out to you. They don't though, you lose them all and it's all optical illusion

and the coins are pushed by what? Is that like a bulldozer type of thing? It's like a platform that pushes in and out, in and out, over and over again. And yeah, it's kind of, look, it's a cousin, it's a more mechanical version of like trying to throw a ring on the top of like a milk jug or whatever, like that game.

You know that one? This game has trap doors, by the way. I watched a video on how it works. So like if you see them, sometimes they have like a lip that goes out on the side and those lips have things on them too and you're like, wow, look at this, this is extra stuff that looks like it's dangling and can fall.

And then underneath that there's slots. So when it pushes it forward, they're actually falling off the side into a box underneath it, where they're just catching all of your quarters. So you're not actually, it looks like it's gonna come down because there's all these extra quarters, but they're falling off the sides, where you can't see it,

where it's being covered by something. Wasn't he supposed to leave? The rules don't work on Wild Willy Wednesday. That was helpful. I'll go, I'll go. You guys can talk about things you don't know about. I appreciate it. You don't have to go on Wild Willy Wednesday? The rules don't work on Wild Willy Wednesday. That was helpful. I'll go. You guys can talk about things you don't know about. That's fine. I appreciate it.

You don't have to go on Wild Willy Wednesday. The rules don't apply. In the manor, there is no penalty box. We need more trap doors. We can all agree. The rules don't apply. In the manor, there's dungeons. That's right.

And studies. And trap doors. You want a trap door? Come to our manor. Oh, I love a trap door. You pull a book out, all of a sudden there's a new room pop. Yeah, false walls left and right there's a Opulence what?

Killing your field opulent telling you guys want to see if you want to get the timing right on that Three are you telling your field opulent the sound is in it. Let's see if you can get the time right I want opulence! The sound is in it. Let's see if you can get the time right. I want opulence! Is there a reason, Pablo, that your promotion for the podcast episode that you have dropping tomorrow is a flimsy sort of saying, and we've got a thing that might happen tomorrow? Like the way that you promoted that was empty.

Well, it's because I don't want to signal, because look, I'm doing stories other people are doing. I don't want people to know that I'm doing the thing that'll come out tomorrow before it comes out. I want to preserve my competitive advantage to beat other people to what I think is a punch. So, I want to avoid trap doors that I've set for myself.

So I'm gonna be strategically boring on purpose this time. You think other people are trying to get to your bird watching story? Like that there are competitive journalists trying to elbow you out of the way on your stories about bird watching? Well, that one there should be. That was a giant L for the rest of the journalism world,

competitive bird watching. A guy saw 10,000 birds. Then another guy saw 10,000 birds. Did both of them really see 10,000 birds? That's a lot of birds. I like the one where you smoke all the athletes weed. That was a good one. PabloToryFindsOut is the name of the podcast.

It's doing the work no one else is doing. Thank you, Pablo. We look forward to The Thing coming out tomorrow, whatever it is that that is. You're being boring on purpose and promoting it. That seems not the best way to do things in 2025. You keep trying to do it on merit though. We'll see if it gets you anywhere.

I would never say this to him publicly, but I think I'm gonna check the Malik Beasley one out. No way. Yeah. What? Is he. Yeah. What? Is he still here? What? Pablo?

He sold it? Wait a minute, he correctly sold something? I've been fooled by Tony before. There's no way, but Tony, I'm like- No, like an hour, Tony, are you sure? Pablo, he should have won six Man of the Year last year. He also said he was gonna watch Jacob Mizorowski last night.

Oh, but he came on so late This elevator got the baby He came in in the eighth inning and Forgot there's also there's also an amazing shot at Miami Heat legend Duncan Robinson by the guy who's at the center of this moose it just comes out of nowhere. It it's great. I forgot about that part. A lot of Miami Heat stuff in this. For as many people who love what you're doing, do you find a whole lot of people with short attention spans at a time

when we can empirically say that the young male is trending in a direction away from your long-form journalism? Do you find a lot of objections to you going and doing this work that is highfalutin? I feel like the market opportunity is so vastly tilted in favor of short attention span stuff. I'm out.

I'm out. It's on the phrase, it's on my sentence. See you later, Pablo. Look, you want dudes? I got dudes on dudes too. I got dudes on dudes on dudes I got dudes on dudes sometimes. What? How many goodbyes?

Tell the world my story. You get a magic John Stone. Self-important cretin. Get him out of here. PabloToryFindsOut is the name of the podcast. How many times are we gonna say goodbye to him? Award-winning cretin, damn. That too. Please tell the world my story. Seriously though,ighton, Dan. Yeah, that too.

Please tell the world my story. Seriously though, subscribe to my story. Oh my God, enough! It's gotta be careful in New York, Dan. I said good day, sir. In New York, it's Mellow. That's what I'm saying. He came after Mellow?

Why did Mellow? Don't do that. Why did Mellow take a stray in the latest publicatory find out? I promise you, don't walk in Dyckman, Pablo. I was just reporting. I was just reporting. How is he still here?

I have to defend my, I guess my legal standing my freedom as a citizen You guys are now besmirching me with the various bits of slander Billy accused you Billy Billy accused you of trying to ruin Carmelo Anthony No, I just pointed out that he dapped up court side of a co-conspirator allegedly of Dante Porto. Okay, that sounds pretty bad That sounds pretty bad. It's a go now I'm gonna leave it's a It's a dab that doesn't count for anything. What is that? He's mellow, everybody dabs them off

It's not an incriminatory dab Your honor. I just love dapping strangers up. Did you just kill a cockroach? What I don't know what did you just kill water? I spilled water a little water so much of electrical wires Please tell the world my story Pablo says is if shouting from the bottom of a well