The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Plenty of Juice

Episode Date: March 8, 2024

David wants to cape up for refs at the youth level after a new lawsuit emerges from a high school basketball game, JuJu believes Johnny Manziel has the right message but may be the wrong messenger, and Lucy explains some interesting perspective on Caitlin Clark and women's basketball ratings. Then, what will the Jake Paul and Mike Tyson fight really mean for live sports? Also, we recap the Polls and David takes out Russell Wilson's QB merits. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Welcome to the big sui. Presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not gonna apologize for that. In fact, the other Dan LeBatard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're

just there. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. It is so important to teach kids lessons who are doing youth sports. And there is a lesson being taught in New Jersey that if you don't like the result of your game, go to court. Change the result.

You're looking at me as though you don't realize that there is a big lawsuit going on right now because a high school team lost a game because a referee missed a call. It happens. This is part of life. And they went right to court to get a temporary restraining order to allow the winning team to keep playing in the finals

of the state championship. Now, I will grant you the call was raw. That is clear. But I will not grant you that this is a lesson that is in any way possible for the courts to deal with, and they won't deal with it, and it is a waste of judicial resources. And furthermore, we are teaching kids that referees can be mishandled, manhandled, abused, and we will ignore their power.

So I've been worked up about this. What a terrible example to set if you don't like the result Just tie it up in litigation and keep pushing and refuse to acknowledge reality this situation I wonder where these kids got that from yeah Where could where could that possibly be something that someone would decide to do like why would you think that way? So I have an idea if we're gonna allow this Can you imagine the court so for all of the people out there thinking that somehow this game will be reversed, this is two things that people have thought.

One, the winning team should have given up and said, no, no, that was after the buzzer, we shouldn't win. It's not that bad, was that bad? Like the PSA? It went off me coach, yeah. It went off me, that's what they're saying to do. And I'm out on that. Absolutely not because things even out in the end to that the judge should grant the temporary strain order not allow the finals to be

Played and go back and replay from a random point in the high school game not gonna happen if The judge would ever grant this restraining order. Can you imagine applying this to professional sports? What was the game? Was it the Saints who lost the championship game? Yeah, the Rams had a defensive, the pass interference play that was definitely not called. Cancel a Super Bowl, delay it,

we're gonna replay the game. The next challenge they gave me the other night, there was a call against Jaylen Brunson, and he challenged a three point shot, and it was clearly not a foul and they called it a foul and it didn't go well. It's part of sports, it never feels great when you're on the opposite side of it.

It should be six natties, not five for the University of Miami, but you learn to live with these results, especially the lower level that you get, the worst, the officiating, and you always get to hang your hat on, we got screwed, we didn't actually get beat. It's a lot easier to accept that reality.

My biggest issue is that I can't stand, and this is from personal experience, going to Little League games and watching people approach me about the quality of their kids when their kids stink, but they think their kids are gonna be professionals. It must be like kids saying that their kids gonna win an Oscar coming up to you and saying,

oh, my kid was in a commercial. It's Robert Frick and De Niro. I've been sent a lot of scripts. Can you imagine? But at the end of the day, the way that umpires in Little League Baseball or high school baseball get abused by parents, it sickens me.

And I, were I to ever see it, which I had, I would be very loud against these parents. And I would make an issue of it because it's disgraceful. What are we saying now that when this referee made a bad call, they admitted they made the bad call, and it happens everywhere, they say, you know what, we'll let it go, but then we're gonna go to court? No, it's a terrible lesson for young people,

and I think this generation too of young athletes and parents of young athletes, it's like there aren't many sports that have an official who has just overall autonomy over the game. Why didn't they have line judges and tennis? They just put it up on the jumbo chart. Oh, look, it was out. Let's keep it moving.

I mean, some of these commissioners do in the bylaws have the authority to overturn games. It just would set like a crazy precedent. I actually remember during that NFC championship thing that was talk about, that'll take action here. There are provisions where a commissioner can actually overturn the result.

Is that something that ever came up in discussions with MLB? Yeah, we protested games for sure when we didn't like calls that were made when referees went umpires, missed calls. We would do it just, we would always do in a pre-protest when Angel would do a game of ours We would just call it in and say just watch the tape There's gonna be we're gonna get screwed here one way or another and what Joe Torrey would always say is don't worry

You're both getting screwed both sides. It'll don't worry about that. Do that to try to maybe like I don't know Say set some kind of precedent or so the next time around they maybe give you a call. What about? something to overturn something that had happened in the distant past? There's something in the news cycle, and I know Juju is interested in this. Johnny Football came out and did a big virtue signal saying that he's going to not attend

Heisman Trophy ceremonies anymore until- Until Reggie Bush. The wrong has been righted with Reggie Bush getting his Heisman Trophy returned, Juju. Which was hilarious because salute to you, brother Johnny Manziel, but you are one of the wrongest people to be pushing this effort, you dig?

He said it didn't agree with his morals. Right, salute, we love you, look you gotta clean it up some kind of way, so we love you for doing this, but we need more support on that, because it's a lot of stuff that don't make sense. It's like if I got locked up for selling weed and about 2003 and now we become legal in my state Hey judge, can we talk about this? You know what I mean? Like if I'm here for years on years on years

So I commend Johnny for standing up for Reggie, but I don't know if he needs more support around that issue And I'm here to support him. Well, you remember the three strikes. I Do you remember what three strikes was? Put me on game, put me on game. So three strikes under Clinton. Yeah, three strikes. You're talking about the mirror. Three strikes for any.

I'm back to weed. Yeah, I understand Reggie Bush only had like one strike. I don't know what his strike was, but I- Oh, he got a house. He got- It was NIL money before there was NIL. Right. And now we have the ability to make money off of your name, image and likeness. It would be the equivalent of Andre Dawson begrudging a player today or Don Mattingly

begrudging a shitty player for making a ton of money. They all make more money than those guys did in their career. And those are Hall of Famers. That's just how life goes. I'm not sure what right, what wrong meant Johnny is trying to write. There was a name, image and likeness story that I found fascinating and Lucy, I want to bring you in on this because it involved Caitlin Clark. I saw the ratings for women's college basketball on Fox. Keep in mind, they have different contracts with different conferences, but the women's basketball ratings are better on Fox Family of Networks than they are from men's college basketball.

And the numbers were so good involving Iowa that I read that Fox execs had actually considered presenting an NIL package to Caitlin Clark to keep her in the sport to keep those ratings up. Lucy, what was your takeaway from that story? I wish they had offered her earlier. Like the reason this fell apart is they did not get the offer to her on time and honestly that's something worth considering

because her ratings are absolutely insane. I believe Iowa has seven of the most watched women's college basketball games of all time now because of Caitlyn. She had already made her decision to go to the fever to leave Iowa. David, that's what I would have used your credit card number four to get Caitlyn. You think that's what I would have used your credit card number four to get Caitlin. You think that would have gotten it done?

Yes. You think that Fox giving her more NIL money would have kept her in Iowa for a fifth year because of COVID eligibility? Not actually. I think she was always going to leave, but I think it would have been enough to potentially sway her one way or another.

Like, I felt the entire season that Caitlin was going to leave. She's pretty much accomplished everything you can accomplish at Iowa, except for winning a national championship. And that's gonna happen this year. The way that, I didn't even realize this till just now, but Caitlin's deal with Nike is expiring

at the end of the year. A lot of her deals are expiring. So she's about to come into even more money than she had before. So like a Fox deal probably wouldn't have made that much of a difference Because she just had game bridge. She is on state farm commercials every game you watch that girl has no problem in the financial department I just really wanted her to stay for me personally and she'd even think about me in her decision at all Don't hate me for this, but I cannot say that someone's accomplished everything that they can accomplish when they don't have the ring.

I literally said that. It's the only thing. But what has she accomplished? No, I heard. It's way tougher in the college game, though. What has she accomplished when you haven't done that? The all-time scoring record? Pretty great. Amazing ratings. Pretty great. But isn't bringing your team a championship the one thing you get judged on?

She has brought championships, not the top-top championship. No, it's not the one thing you get judged on. She has brought championships, not the top, top championships. No, it's not the one thing you get judged on, especially in college basketball. College is so difficult to win a championship in. She's competing against 200 plus other teams. Also, Caitlin could have easily gone to a school like UConn, Notre Dame, South Carolina, and she'd have probably two or three

national championships at this point. But instead, she decided, I'm the hometown girl, I'm going to Iowa, a school that is a good women's basketball program but doesn't have the traditional success of these other schools and she brought them to the national championship game last year and she's gonna do it again this year. Do you think if Vegas had the first pick she would have stayed at Iowa do you think that Indiana having the first pick was a factor in her turning pro? I mean absolutely she knows where she's going to go. Caitlyn is going to team up with Leah Boston.

They are going to be one of the craziest duos in the WNBA. Caitlin was going to have success wherever she went. I don't really think it mattered a ton that it was Indiana, but I think that's a good fit for her. I don't think it has anything to do with location the way people are saying, because Indianapolis is not as close to Iowa

as people think it is. Caitlin was always gonna go to the next level. She was always going to succeed. I just really wish that she had thought about how this affected me. And she did it at all. I think she got ties in Indiana right now. She got some ties in Indiana behind the scenes, so salute.

I don't think the fever having the number one pick impacted her decision to go pro. I do think a conversation with a major network like Fox around coming back for another year and having some financial stake in the ratings, that's a transformative deal. That's a different kind of deal. We've never had an athlete do anything like that.

So just those conversations alone happening, I think it's incredible for her and would have maybe had her think about, oh, I could stick around for another year and do something nobody's ever done before. I know, I know. Well, it's a whole new world now where networks are actually considering name,

image and likeness, where their are actually considering name, image, and likeness where their rights actually filter down to the players in some sort of way. My mind was kind of blown by that and it's actually pretty forward thinking from Fox. We have a draw here. We can actually keep them. How many draws are there? How many bills? Well, she is certifiably one of the greatest laws in the history of sports when you consider

where the ratings were before she came along. There was a baseball player, the only baseball player of my career that drew anything extra. Dantro Willis. Petraina and Jose Fernandez. And Jose Fernandez too in 18 years. Basketball, LeBron. Regional baseball, it happens. Like the summer Yassil Pui came to the Dodgers and they went 42 and a it was he took over the city and it changed

The Dodgers they have been dynamic since Valenzuela back back in the day There are there are examples, but it is rare But what Clark did what was fascinating to me and the reason why I like watching many many Ramirez many Ramirez do that That was pretty awesome I mean it is a huge market and the Dodgers are a legacy franchise But there are players that have gone to that franchise and have been needle movers from attendance and viewership like it's hard to Justify though millions of dollars needle movers really do not generate that amount of money for Fox to get in there You have to be a ratings mover, which she is the players we talked about or not

She is so Fox could have done this for her And I don't think it would have opened up a sea of these deals because there's so few Caitlyn Clarks I'm super excited to see what she's going to do in the WNBA because I do think she's pretty much accomplished everything and to ask for a Title I think Lucy dismiss you quite easily with she could have been with one of these glory hunting programs over there I'm super excited to see how she can elevate the pro game and dismiss you quite easily with, she could have been with one of these glory hunting programs over there. I'm super excited to see how she can elevate the pro game, especially when you have the aces selling out their tickets. It feels like a real inflection point for women's sports

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He's just dropped that. He's shoehorned it. No. That had to be for the flight, right? That was me introducing how I'm envisioning Mike Tyson at 58, waking up after one of his workouts to get ready to fight Jake Paul, and they dropped a look at me, Louis.

In a photo. It feels like you could have just gotten into the Mike Tyson, Jake Paul story without volunteering that you're a marathon. I think it was the internationalness of the marathon. Had it been a domestic marathon? It was a humble brag. Maybe you moved past it, but it's a London marathon.

Tag goes to the runner. You're saying, David, thank you. Thank you, Juju. Have you seen his shorts? He's out. Dave, I have a question. Before we get into Jake Paul and Mike Tyson, I was explaining to my wife that you did a 777.

And for those of you in the audience that don't understand what that is, it's seven marathons in seven days. The whole number. Seven continents. True. And she was like, like no that's not true And I'm like no no no it's true

I know David like he's got the 777 like on the placard of like that to the yeah like he's done it Can you explain like how difficult and how terrible that was so Lucy your reaction? She has no idea before you joined metal arc This is was to raise a lot of I'll do a look, Louie, but raised over a million dollars for charity. Contextually you're covered. Thank you. It's not hard to follow the rules. There's only 200 people in the world

who have ever done this. Still covered? Contextually you're covered. You were asked about it, you're answering into a question. You fly to Cape Town, South Africa, and you wait for the ability to go to a Russian substation in Antarctica and it is called the Novo

Substation and there's no women there. There's only Russians can't talk about it today then no But this is fascinating because our group had two former players from Survivor Sarah, Lesina and McKella Wingo and they went to Antarctica and were with these people who had been put in Siberia by Putin and had not seen a woman in months. We went to Antarctica, ran a marathon, get back on a plane, go back to South Africa, run a marathon the next day, then you get on a plane and go to Dubai and run a marathon, Perth, Australia, run a marathon. These are consecutive days. Then Lisbon

consecutive days. Then Cartagena, Columbia on the sixth day and we ended right here in Miami and Lebatard on the seventh marathon. Lebatard came to watch the seventh marathon. He was smoking a cigar while we were starting to run our seventh marathon in seven days, and he was standing right in the path of the runners holding a big cigar. And we were trying to, people didn't really know who he was because people were exhausted

and I stopped to talk to him for a few minutes, but I will never forget, one of my lasting memories from triple seven is Dan's cigar. Right here we ran it right on Miami Beach, right in front of the, on the boardwalk, is where the route was. And what does this have to do with Mike Tyson again? So, I love where your head is.

Mike Tyson, I woke up feeling hurt. Yeah. Sore, Mike Tyson's 58 years old, he's gonna get into a boxing ring with Jake Paul. Dan said it's going to last 15 seconds. Mike is going to kick his ass. And I was thinking about Dan's age and my age. You can't get in a ring when you're 58 years old.

Right. You can't get in a ring with no little bikini jobs you got on. But you need to put some pants on and box your home boys, man. Yeah. Look, haven't we gotten over calling out people in sports for being too old for stuff? I feel like that's done that narrative. Someone's too old to win a Super Bowl, too old to win a national title.

He's 58. So what? He's fighting Jake Paul. Yeah, Jake Paul though has been training professionally and I get this video that Mike Tyson, I wouldn't get in the ring with Mike Tyson. Jake Paul has been training professionally. Is your defense to he's Mike Tyson? I'm saying that Mike is gonna wake up the day

after fighting Jake Paul and feel worse than I feel now, and I wanna know the money. I talked about the sun today is nothing personal. I wanna know the money. It hasn't been reported anywhere. What are they getting paid? Jake is producing it, and he's got a successful production company,

but I wanna know what the purse is. I don't care if it's sanctioned. I wanna know what you'd have to pay me to get into a ring. Purse hasn't been announced yet. Your figure is gonna be in the millions. Just based on not only gate, cause it's gonna be done at Jerry World. It's gonna be 100,000 people there.

They're saying that it's not gonna be pay per view, right? It's gonna be on Netflix. No, it's Netflix. Right, so I'm wondering how big the bag Netflix was that they gave them and said, all right, you guys divvy up how you want $40 million, $80 million, like who knows? Because this is now bringing live sports, I know they've done it before with golf and stuff,

but this is bringing now combat sports to Netflix, which is a completely different animals in the pay-per-view kind of industry that fighting sports lives in. So I led nothing personal with this this morning because Netflix low-key is trying to screw everybody. They're trying to get live sports without paying rights fees.

They're creating their own new live sports. So I disagree on that. They're not just trying to compete and get the rights to regular NBA or WNBA games. They're doing these hybrid events. They're creating events. They're almost like stunts. I mean, you can lump in Monday Night Raw

from the WWE as a live rights deal. It's a $5 billion deal for cable televisions, I guess, outside of Monday night football, most valuable property. I don't view that as one of the, as a major sports deal. I understand. But it's a content deal for me. Okay. Fair enough, but it is a live right steal in that it is live weekly episodic.

But what net flit, it's episodic. I mean, they have a bunch of deal in that it is live, weekly episodic. But what Netflix, it's episodic. I mean, they have a bunch of shows like that. It's just a matter of what they did is they put on this F1 golf match. They just put on the tennis slam with Nadal losing to Alkarez, who watched that? Anybody, anybody notice that? Yep.

You did? Who won and how many sets, Juju? Get back with you. I didn't really see the the draw for I've got us versus Nadal when they've actually faced each other in competitive matches and this is just an exhibition I've I've seen those on ESPN 2 at like 2 o'clock in the afternoon skipper specials wondering what the draw is for this I understand things like the match and stuff like that being a draw, but you're saying they're kind of carving out

these new events in sports that do have right steals when they're inside the non-exhibition realm. That's the business part of this. They're going to a whole new area with Tyson against Paul. I differentiate this from Nadal at Al-Qares. Well, what do we know about this fight? We don't know the purses. I know when Mayweather and Logan Paul. I differentiate this from Nidal and Al-Qares. Well, what do we know about this fight? We don't know the purses. I know when Mayweather and Logan Paul got together,

it was actually touted as an exhibition. Is that what this is going to be? Or is this going to be a competitive fight that counts for their pro-wrecking? They're waiting to see whether it'll get sanctioned. My view is that it will not get sanctioned, nor should it get sanctioned. And I don't think one person will give an absolute rat's ass

whether it's sanctioned. No, we're watching either way. We're right. I think this is the ultimate curiosity, which is, can a young man that's kind of proven himself and taken it seriously, but he's still ultimately known for what he does on YouTube, can he get in the ring with one of the most feared heavyweights of all time,

even though the heavyweight is 58 years old right now. This is all something, this is probably a conversation that's happening in barbershops and sports bars all across America wondering what will happen. I think that the whole circus-like atmosphere to this is such a draw. Here's what I thought the conversation was, and I was speaking into the abyssal,

nothing personal this morning, so I'm so happy to speak to all of you. How many times have you had the conversation? What would it take for you to get in the ring with Mike Tyson? Would you do it for a million dollars? Hell yeah, I'd get in there and take a punch. And my answer always was, because I was always small,

is there's no amount of money, because I'd be dead. One punch from Mike Tyson, forget, it's like Jeremy and I would be in the hospital, and then dead, so. Thanks for lumping me in with you, David. Well, Jeremy, is there a- I mean, it's accurate, but I still, I mean, yeah. I was just sitting here doing my work,

you know, just get brought into that one, thanks. Happy International Limmins Day. She's wrapped in a- So my answer is zero. It doesn't have the air of sadness that some of these other types of like stunts boxing events have had. It's a genuine curiosity.

In more ways than Logan Paul Floyd Mayweather ever was because Jake Paul has spent several years building up some credibility. And it's Mike Tyson. It's someone that is a true legit heavyweight that still goes occasionally viral with these workout videos that has crazy speed and power on those punches still.

I think that's the difference though, Mike. You said it, it's Mike Tyson, right? Floyd Mayweather was never the boxer was gonna knock you out He's defensive boxer. He was the guy that was gonna pick his spots counter punch you and Logan Paul Yeah, Logan Paul is gonna just kind of spar with him This is Mike Tyson who has a runway to get ready for the next couple of months here I know a year who's walking with a cane Right, let's let's be honest about that because we're playing the videos of him hitting the bags and stuff

But he was walking with a cane like six months ago You you have that getting the runway of let me get my body back in a shape Let me get my mentality back in and one punch and if it's not sanctioned. Oh What is flowing through that body juice? Is there any other video might Tyson boxman besides one of these little drowns? There is this red. It's got red draws on the other one. Oh and box and besides one of these little draws. There is, there's one with red, it's got red draws on the other one. Oh.

My view is that Mike Tyson will go, it will go longer than you think because Netflix is gonna want some juice, so it's not gonna be what Dan said. Oh, they're getting juice. There's gonna be plenty of juice. It's not gonna be a 15 second fight. Didn't Dan say that?

He spent all this time saying it'll go 15 seconds. There's no bad scenario in the result, none. I just don't want to do it. and legendary, dinner deliciously, breakfast brilliantly. We're talking friggin' fresh slices, and I'm yelling, yes way! Huh, get a six inch black porous ham for only $4.99. Only at Subway. Price and participation may vary. Extra taxes and delivery additional expires April 8th.

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He must have a better shot of coming. Give him a chance, he's got more than this. I'm mad, I'm angry at you. I wanna leave. Stugats. This would have been your day. This should be, you should own the sports media landscape. I am, I am top seven guys, I would not want the judge.

No, no, no, no. I'll fuck you. No. No, I'm not allowing it. Give me a chance, guys. No, no, no. No, I'm not giving him a chance. I've given him 20 years.

It's a personal one. I've given him my pride. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. to watch Ben Lyons, to watch David Samson, to watch Adnan Burke, who's presently working for MLB network, he's making the drive down from Clearwater. I'm sure he's surrounded by all of his favorite types of people in Clearwater, given his thoughts on Scientology. We can't wait to see him this weekend. We're going to be doing the live Oscars, watch along live from the same carpet here emanating from about as geographically far from the Oscars as you can probably get inside this country. But we're going to make it fun. A lot of metal arc luminaries in attendance. Some people dressing up for the occasion, maybe Lucy, maybe not, depending on what Caitlin

Clark and I would do. But we're going to have a lot of fun. It's our first stab at it. And this is a true second screen experience. Maybe some of you haven't watched the movies. Well, that's what Ben and David and company are here to do for you. And you just have us watching along as you are on the main broadcast. And we're going to have a lot of fun with it to close out our week. We're going to do what we always do later on in the show. That means a club, but right now it means the polls recap. Juju. If you have the polls, make sure you pull them up and know that the polls are presented by the new season of the peacock original, the, streaming now with new episodes Thursdays

at 9 p.m. Eastern, only on Peacock. Take it away, Juju. Yes, sir, I love The Traders. It's such a great show. Poll number one, an important one. Who is the biggest trader of all time? Lucifer? Wow.

Judas? Wow. Or Chris Whittingham? Oh, wait. Lucifer, Judas, or Chris Whittingham. And out of 8,158 votes, 79% say Chris Whittingham. The fancy lad, sorry brother, wherever you are, we love you. No, no we don't. This is just a revolting video.

Right, and his head did not move in a centimeter. God, those seats stink. God, that song just brings me such joy. Club level at MSG, the Mecca. So much joy when you hear that song, huh? Poe number two, which is worse? A person who doesn't care if you like them at all, or a person who tries too hard to get you to like them.

86% says a try too hard is worse off. Yeah. Which one are you, David? I'm the former. I know what the former is. Tony doesn't. Poe number three, who is the most beloved athlete in Philadelphia history?

Out of 7,580 votes, Dr. J. Allen Iverson, Jason Kelsey or Rocky Balboa. The answer was Rocky Balboa. I can't believe we didn't have Chase Utley on that list. Chase Utley would not have beaten Rocky Balboa. Oh my god, he's so beloved. Fictional character. That's kind of sad that's pretty sad for a sportsman especially one with a reputation of Philadelphia Yeah, very sad flag was fly a poll number whatever this one is is Kings, Hawaiian bread the greatest bread of all time 5,322 votes 55% say yes, it is the greatest bread of all time the goat bread Kings Hawaiians ladies no Hallibred Look I am a post votes for that

The next poll if you know how to bake do you know how to cook? No, no 71% of the audience says no you guys are right. I don't know how to bake Great job on all these polls. I know how to get baked. Absolutely and then oh hello brother The last poll and remember these are brought to you by the trader us. You have a great fantastic show I'd suggest you watch it today Our McDonald's fries the greatest French fries of all time? 6,835 votes say yes they are. 53% of the crowd agrees.

Back to you David, remember to watch the Traders US every single day of your life. Wow. That's a lot of days. A lot of traders. That's a lot of traders. I wonder whether or not Russell Wilson has time to catch up on his TV as he is going on this tour, which is so offensive to me that I can hardly focus, that he is going around as a release player, an overpaid stiff, and he's choosing his next team, flirting with the Giants, flirting with the Steelers.

I would like Russell Wilson to be banished so that he can't play anywhere. Come on, David. He's got to put some respect on Russell Wilson, man. I'm not putting one ounce of respect on this because in his goodbye, which I know you all looked at, that long tweet when he said goodbye.

He didn't read it. Too long, didn't read it. He didn't read it. No, it was too long I'm happy for you or sad that happened Yeah, the best part was I was happy that he thank God at the end no problem I'm all in for the religion, but he went through the list of all the other people he thanked including specific players Like his running backs as wide receivers the guys in the kitchen the guys in the video room Everybody man of the people Russ no mention, the guys in the video room, everybody. He's a man of the people, Russ.

No mention of the people who gave him the money. Why are they no longer there? Does it? Because, oh, they're not paying them. What does that have to do with it? Well, I mean, why thank an administration that was there for three weeks? The GM's the same.

Okay. So, all right, I understand why you're looking at it this way. You thanked. First of all, it was outrageous the size of the thank you. But they're also the people that fired him. They did? Oh, no. Fired him.

Yeah, I mean, I know we got a nice little golden parachute on the way out, but yeah, he lost his job. Remember during the season, they said, hey, we want you to come off the bench and we want you to lose. I forgot the details. They didn't want you to play him because if he got hurt, it fully guaranteed the deal. Right, it was smart move. Why would you thank them?

He was insulted by it though. You can understand why he was insulted by it. But then ask for more guarantee money up front. He got an extension that he in no way should have gotten that contract. Are you gonna say that the Russell Wilson contract with the Broncos doesn't rival the Ben Simmons contract as some of the worst contracts of all time?

I don't think anyone's making that argument. I'm just applying logic to what you wondered aloud, which is why didn't he thank the people that gave him this contract? Because I mean, the administration, while he got a big contract from the Broncos, they also told him, you know, sit and rot on the bench. We don't even want to risk you getting hurt because that means we have to pay you more. This contract is so bad. Take a hike and leave.

I mean, I can understand why someone feels some type of way about that. Well, I found it to be offensive and now the question is, all these teams are all excited to get him. You think he's an upgrade over Daniel Jones? Yes, absolutely. Yes, and we don't know what Daniel Jones is going to look like. The name is, people are obsessed with the name. I think it's kind of flat, I think it's kind of flat

between the two, but Daniel Jones will have a much higher cap number. Much higher cap number and we don't know what he's going to look like after he comes back from a season ending injury. Let me walk that back. I feel pretty strongly that Daniel Jones is better at this point in his career than Russell Wilson. But when you apply the logic of the cap number, guys, keep in mind what they had to do to make Russell Wilson playable, which is, I think he was also willing participant in this.

He played ultra conservative. They were a really painful watch for him to get his numbers to a place now where you look at the box score and say, hey, he wasn't that bad compared to the previous year. I mean, there was no nuts to that offense. Vanilla offense, no nuts. Do you know that with all the dead cap money they have, that it's actually an advantage to some owners to have dead cap money because you don't have, it counts towards your salary cap, but it's not cash. So actually you are spending to the cap,

but it's not a cash expenditure. And so all the criticisms that we make of all the big dead cap money, there's some teams that search for dead cap money because it's not money you're paying to a player, it's money that you're not actually paying to anybody. People don't talk about that.

No, that seems like a pretty losing philosophy if that's what you're playing for. But if your team is not good, it keeps things afloat, but it's not necessarily a way to build towards it. But if you're rebuilding. Yeah, so it actually does have a monetary value to it and that it counts against a league that legislates

equality with a salary cap, but you're actually in some cases not even spending beyond the cap floor because you have this dead cap out there. And so that's the thing that needs that would be a rule that you could change if you're the union where dead cap would not actually count. It's cash payroll that you have to have the floor and the ceiling, but the league does not do that. Do you think he ends up somewhere?

And if he ends up somewhere and if he ends up somewhere Will he be assuming that he's the starter? He's Yes, according to where he goes I think that that's a couple of things that could benefit from him like the Steelers I think the Giants as well because of the his numbers like you pay him two million dollars versus paying to a Talk about lower 55 in some situations or Daniel Joe's 55 in some situations. Or Daniel Joe's $50 million. A second one of these things?

I thought you were saying that. Oh, now, oh, now, oh, oh, oh. A lot of people to pay in Miami. Who do you got? Five dollars. You want to pay Tyreek, you want to pay all these people. And I'm not saying that Russell Wilson is the same as he used to be.

But I think that there's still something to say about him because that Denver Broncos offensive line, the offensive total, it was not a fair assessment of his actual game to me So you want the dolphins to get rid of to a don't resign a minute bringing Russell Wilson at 1.21 million is that I think I want these I'm just giving you things to ponder like my brother Tony. That's why I put it in the folder I'm telling you what to think you should ask Here's what I think Russell Wilson will get a job and he shouldn't because he's not good enough to be a starting quarterback.

They can't even get Justin Fields to start a quarterback. Pittsburgh makes a lot of sense. Then why is he stopping in New York on the way to Pittsburgh? I don't know. He's a nice beverage. He's married to Seahra. He's no leverage. He's no leverage.

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