The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Row, Row, Row Your Boat

Episode Date: February 15, 2024

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Stugott just spit at me. Just spit at me, not Mike Ryan. I did cry, asshole. Well, Mike wasn't here, I mean. But you just spit at me. I didn't say that you weren't crying. I saw some emotion. I didn't see tears from where I'm sitting, but...

Eyes were stinging. Okay. I said, look, it's a little different. No way to transition. I mean, you just admitted it. Your words. In a way that's not awkward, but I'm going to try to transition. There you go. That's all you had to do last segment.

That was a lot better than trying to drag me into it. Why would Stugatz, when he's emotional, lie about crying? If we're already saying he's obviously emotional. You're repeating the same mistakes. Right. You're starting the exact same way. Yes. Right.

We didn't have to do yoga. I'll tell you why, because my transitional crutch has always been, I'm surprised more people haven't noticed this, just ripping Stugans' scams. We've noticed. For those viewing on Traffkings Network and on our YouTube, we should throw up on the lower third graphic where you can get involved with the, what was the website again? Theshotline.org. So let's make sure that that messaging is there and we will do our best to move on.

Yesterday, we did not do this in the local hour so we will do it now because what is happening with the Miami Heat is interesting. Greg Cody has become Stugatz. He is writing the column in the newspaper that this might be Sp be supposed best coaching job yet He did not I texted him like kind of making fun of that and he did not like that He's like truly terrible. Did you read the column? I'm like no actually, but the headlines funny

But also Mike Ryan has become stugots the heater turning us all into stugots Mike Ryan has come in here Yelling and, how dare anyone doubt this heat team as they go into Philadelphia. They beat Philadelphia without Joel and Bied. Mike Ryan, nothing. Mike Ryan more excited than being able to make fun of what frauds those Sixers are. Yeah, they beat the Philadelphia 76ers without Jimmy Butler or a point guard, really. So, yeah, Joel and Bede wasn't there, but that's day two of a back-to-back

in which they just took out Milwaukee and the Philadelphia 76ers. Both games without Jimmy. I'm really getting sick and tired of people doubting this Miami Heat team. Only I am allowed to doubt this Miami Heat team. And you know where this season turned. Every single one of you, deep down,

even Ryan Cortez, they know where this season turned. Every single one of you deep down even Ryan Cortez. They know where this season turned. And it was when Terry Rosear got hurt. And again, I just want to just reinforce. You got to stack these wins before he comes back. This is what I will say about the heat without too much overanalysis of a team that has been weird this year. Losing against Memphis at home is the worst loss

of the season. They are not very good when all of their guys are healthy. This is a weird thing to say. That's odd, yeah. It's super weird. Duncan Robinson clearly needs to start for this team. He spaces the floor. Like he clearly and obviously needs to start for this team.

Jimmy off the bench. Not Jimmy, hero off the bench. I really like this Joe. I like him. He's a good player. And he's smart defensively too, in terms of buying into a team defensive concept and he was not that As a raw product being drafted. I told you two years ago. They think he's Gallinari They think his ceiling is Gallinari the way we might actually sign

Gallinari to We got to finally get that one two. We gotta finally get that one. Did it look? Yeah, the word is two. If you have two Gallinaries, do you have one? I know it's better than one Gallinari. It's, I mean, on the hierarchy of like, Missed Whales for Pat Riley. It's Kevin Durant and then Danilo Gallinari. We've been

pursuing this through several leg injuries. I will tell you because I know that there is no way for me to get Lucy and Jessica involved in Miami Heat. Oh I can talk about the Heat Dan. I want the Heat to go on a little run here. It's not fun if they lose when the expectations are bad. We need to get everyone in Miami. We need to get Mike Ryan on the bandwagon. Cortez cussing out people on Boston radio. We need to get everyone excited so that when they lose after that,

it is even funnier for all the haters. Yeah, what Jess said. Yeah, that's all I got. Yeah, did oh. But it's perfect. It's landing up perfectly because if they lose. Yes it is. Well, but like, I mean, how sad can you be?

Well, we were in eight seed. We're not actually that good. It is perfect house money right now. Pre-excuses, I love it. No, it's perfect. This is exactly what we need. Yeah, it's perfect because anyone with a rational basketball brain can't look at this Miami Heat team and say,

they're good, yeah, this is Eastern Conference champions and yet they're there in the conversation. Here's the problem with everything that you're saying because Kirk, Kendrick Perkins hired by ESPN to do what I'm about to say, which is say that the Miami Heat have to part ways with Jimmy Butler and that the Miami Heat will not make it out of the first round in the Eastern Conference. The thing that's great about him saying that is that we could head into the playoffs with him being exactly right. And last year, the same was true.

And they made it all the way to the finals. And so we will be arguing about this, expecting Jimmy to be maximum Jimmy in the playoff, because Kendrick Perkins actually had to have this conversation with himself on the air. This is how it happened. He's like, I'll tell you why it is that they have to get rid of Jimmy Butler.

It's because they don't have them at homes. I know that Jimmy Butler is my homes in the postseason, but they don't have a Mahomes. But he's coming. But he's not here now because it's not the postseason. But I know in the postseason he will be Mahomes until the final few games when his legs fall apart because whatever he's doing doesn't work for the final four games. And the whole trade Jimmy thing was like spoken from a place of fear being that he's a Celtics guy and not unlike myself He will spin it into a win because whenever the heat started doing those things He also becomes oddly a heat guy because of their style of play

It's a no-lose situation except when it all blows up because he's fighting you don't as Haslam on the sidelines during a game in The postseason that they're down 30 and it's all over because it's gonna explode in our faces Does that make it more like Travis Kelsey then? Well, how about that? Can we get that sound real quick? Let's get this. I loved that I was first to this take before Travis Kelsey's two gots.

I actually made the argument for all the hysteria around Travis Kelsey bumping his coach. I made the argument, those two genuinely love each other. It's just ridiculous to hear that argument come out of Jason Kelsey by way of explanation because it's true that that happened only because those guys love each other but it's a ridiculous thing to say. The broadcast showed you having a heated exchange with Coach Reed. So heated. People are all over this. I mean I get it.

You cross the line. I think we can both agree on that. I can't get that fired up to the point where I'm bumping coach and it's getting them off balance and stuff. I mean, let's be honest, the yelling in his face too is over the top. I think there's better ways to handle this. I love Coach Reed. Coach Reed knows how much I love the play form. I'm not playing for anybody else but Big Red.

If he calls it quits, the shim, I'm out there with him, man. He ain't calling it quits. Come on, now. He's not. I immediately wish I would have took it back. Coach Reed actually came right up to me after that. And he's just letting me know, hey man, I love your passion. I got cameras on me all over the place man.

He's letting you know not to be like that. Just fired me up even more to go out there and get it a f***ing victory for him man. Big red sorry if I caught you with that cheap shot baby. But damn, I love winning with you. You gotta have your head on the swivel because next time he gets fired up at you, he's coming hot at you.

You know that. Oh, yeah, I deserve it. If he would have cold cocked me in the face right there, I would have just ate it and just been like, yeah, let's f***ing go. I'm not trying to make this situation acceptable, but this is what happens when you have highly motivated, passionate individuals.

This doesn't happen if you and Andy aren't as close as you are. That's what nobody f***ing knows. The reason this happens is because you two love each other so much and respect each other so much that you feel open enough to have an interaction like this. It wasn't me mad at Coach Reed as it looks. It was the frustration of our team not having success, turning the ball over and me being-

On the sideline. Just on the sideline. Not anyone going there. Damn it! It was pleading with your head coach to let you go out there and win this month. That's what it was. Me and you both know what it was.

Andy knows what you mean to him and what he means to you. Are you taking credit for having to take about Travis Kelsey and Andy Reed's relationship before Travis Kelsey had the thing? What I'm saying is that what they- He lives with it every day. What they just said is totally true and totally asinine. The only reason that happens is because they love each other.

It's the reason that they could survive it without being an explosion, although it helps that they won the game. Right. Do you think Travis listened to your take and then used it on his podcast? No, I'm just, what I was explaining to you yesterday is that when people love each other, they argue.

And I don't understand why we make Such a big deal about it when it happens in the volatile setting of a Super Bowl Just let me pull a random headline from 2016 stop mistaking Odell Beckham jr's immaturity for passion Just pull that randomly Mike We can have the conversation about whether any of this would feel like this if Travis Kelsey were black it just feels like a show I was doing in 2005 and I'm trying to improve the vibes around here I mean the first two segments also felt like 2005 quite honestly See that is out.

I have an issue with the Big Red nickname while we're on this topic and everyone's fired up. They say it's because he had red hair when he was younger, right? That's why they're calling him Big Red. That's why it's red. Well, I think that's also part of it. I read it in an article, I was trying to find the origins because to me, Big Red connotes Western Kentucky mascot.

Obviously, he's like the one and only Big Red in my heart. He's a big blob, Dan. He's a big kind of middle heavy, bald blob. He knows red. Okay, just making sure. He was staring at me like I had seven heads. Well, the only reason I'm staring at you this way is because Big Red to me is the gum.

When I think of Big Red, I think first of the gum. And when I think of Big Red as he's calling because Big Red, to me, is the gum. When I think of Big Red, I think first of the gum, and when I think of Big Red as he's calling him Big Red, I'm assuming it's because he looks like the Kool-Aid man, and I wouldn't recognize Andy Reed if he weren't either wearing a Hawaiian shirt or red. I would not. I think I'd recognize him. Yeah, same.

Overrated gum, Big Red. Big, yeah. I'm saying he's Big Red too. Put it on the poll, please,ju at Levitator show is big red and overrated gum because I don't Know it starts off great like most guns. It's got a kick right at the beginning Yeah, and then you know, that's the best go ahead. What's the best gum bubble? That's just sugar. That's just Five gum because it lasts longer like you're thinking about the killer bees

What is the gum that lasts the longest because the bubble ish is does not last long either five? Yeah, because it lasts longer. It's the one that lasts the longest of all of them. What is the best in my experience? Yeah, I think five is the best but it's a little strong So I usually split it in half and I'll do half a little thing and it lasts a pretty long time So I usually split it in half and I'll do half a little thing and it lasts a pretty long time. Chris Cote, you're a sugar expert. Do you have a favorite gum nominee? The tape, the bubble gum tape. Oh, that's so good. Chiklitz. Yeah.

Chiklitz. Oh, they're so good, man. Chiklitz. I love Chiklitz. Okay, wait a minute. I learn you. No, you don't. Yes, I do. When is the last time you had Chiklitz?

I don't know, five years ago. You love it so much you haven't had in five years. Yeah. Does everything have to be a lie? Just like sex for me, chiclets. What? Every five years. He loves it but he hasn't done it in five years.

Fruit Shrap doesn't last long. I hate gum. I don't think any, put it on the poll, please Juju at Levitard show. Would anyone say that chiclets is the best gum? Remember when Witty just admitted that he swallows gum? That was wild. Every time, yeah.

Man, just staying with me. How about Bazooka? Strong. Thanks. Stuccox, are you only referencing gum from the 70s? Like, are you about to get the gum from baseball cards in a second? Like, are you only?

Wow, big league chew? I mean, that's not big league chew. That's totally different. I can see his confusion, though. The Dan Lebatard show with Stugatz is sponsored by Better Help. Imagine a person who values their relationships with someone deeply. They might have encountered challenges in communication, understanding, or differing perspectives over time. A common misconception about relationships is that they have to be easy to be right. But sometimes the best ones happen when both people put in the work to make them great. Therapy can be a place to work through the challenges you face in all of your relationships,

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don't got a chance in Boston all they are going to have their ass you know what in Boston you know Stugatz they were wrong they, are they going to lose their job now? Are they going to get a cutting-pipe knock? What are they going to do? Keep predicting. What is the obvious? They are going to say, oh, the nuggets are going to win. Oh, Denver, the altitude.

And you know what? The hits are going to win at all. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats. On second thought, I am alleging that I knew how much Travis Kelsey loved Andy Reid before Travis Kelsey knew how much he loved Andy Reid. And he totally stole your take. Yeah, well he stole it, but he got to it late. I said it before he did.

I got it out in public before. The asinine tru-take of that can only happen if real love is there. How about, did you guys enjoy Travis Kelsey pulling the stu-gotts? When stu-gotts is emotional, and you point out that is emotional, he's got to one-up you by saying, and I cried, even though he didn't cry. Travis Kelsey has to be so apologetic that he goes over the top with a lie, I'm not merely sorry, if Andy Reed retired, I'd retire right next to him. Not if Patrick Mahomes didn't retire. Yep, I'm gonna call BS on that as well. So he clearly knows he's not retiring.

So it feels safe saying that. If Andy Reed retires today, you think Kelsey is retiring tomorrow? Kelsey's not, Kelsey's not. Now he has to. No, he doesn't. Can we go back to Monday, by the way, where Stu Gatz was still doing his what if Andy Reed

retires and they call it bella check or whatever and then like five seconds after he left the studio Andy Reed said I'm not retiring. It was a remotely a thing. That was a great timing. It was a remotely a possibility. You and Mike Florio were the only two people that I saw giving the take. Andy Reed check it out we got to retire this year. But one of the reasons Stugatz always wins. It's not just because every year only one

person or one team wins and he has all 30 of the rest to criticize. That's not the only reason that he wins. The other reason that Stugatz wins is he got that one totally wrong. But he was way out in front of, Hey, people, we need to not let Shanahan skate on any of this. He just, he just fired his defensive coordinator and I thought that defense was good. Two sides to every story. Did I get one side wrong?

One side correct. Stugatz was out in front on no one can let Shanahan rest with this decision that he's made. Two years ago, we quietly somehow had a Super Bowl decided because no one on the field could stand up straight because the sod was bad So our measurement system was flawed by that this year the measurement system is flawed because we now have the audio of chiefs players On the field confused and the ref They're really gonna let my home's have the ball last There there there was a ref on audio saying they've chosen to give the ball to my home.

He was playing for that coveted third possession. But don't worry, Kyle, definitely knew what was going on. That third possession is important, Stugach. You keep mocking that. It's not guaranteed. But it is. The third, like if you- There was no third possession in the game.

You know what's more important? Knowing what to do with your fourth down after knowing the game scenario and having potentially one more down to either get in a first down or a score. How are we still doing this? I don't, there's no defending it. There's no defending it.

Thank you. It's just, you just botched it. What do you mean? How are we still doing this when yesterday you rolled in here dying to talk about that? I know, I was also off Tuesday. I didn't realize you guys talked about it Tuesday now we're on day four Dan. Okay. I'm only on day three so. Okay well this is. I'm on day two. This is one of the things that's happening. That's why you want to talk about it. Around here that we I have to apologize to the audience. What's it called when you do one of those songs like a

row, row, row and then the next person does row, that's us with our overtime takes this week. We're all starting at different points and we're all having each other. You're all gently down the stream, and I'm so on the row. Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream. Dance on Merrily Merrily. Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, life is but a dream.

Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream. No Chris, you're doing the same one as Dan. I was just mean, Dan. The life is but a dream. Merrily, Merrily. Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream. Nancy. Row, row, row your boat gently down the stream.

Merrily, Merrily, Merrily. Merrily, Merrily. Merrily, life is but a dream. This is why our timing is off. I will tell you, and I noticed it yesterday. I was laughing with Stugots about it before the show. Yesterday, I come in in here broken by Vegas. You cannot be, I had forgotten that in my 20s,

I remember I had a flashback to my 20s being with my friends in Vegas as the flight took off the red eye from Vegas and saying to them like bent over with my elbows on my knees as we took off, this is Las Vegas bending over and blowing us right out its ass. This is what's happening. That was 30 years ago how I felt leaving Vegas.

I come in here yesterday and I'm not kidding you, with my blood saturated by Marguerite assault, I fell to my knees and I tossed the lob to Stugatz of LeBron wanted to be traded to Golden State. And the ball went flying out of bounds, cause Stugatz didn't know how to talk about LeBron, didn't have anything for me. You know what happened today?

He comes in here and he's like, how does Golden State not get LeBron James? How does LeBron James not go to Golden State so that that could be the end of his career? 24 hours later, row, row, row your boat. Stugatz has something for me on LeBron. I could have used it on air. But this Vegas thing is like a disease.

I mean, I've gotten over the flu quicker than I've gotten over Las Vegas. It just won't leave me. Yesterday I was yelling at Las Vegas, like get out of me. It won't leave. I took a nap yesterday that was so strong. I got sleep paralysis on my couch. Yes It was terrifying. Oh, what is sleep paralysis? Who are you cramping up?

You're awake, but you can't move but like you're you're kind of just like frozen in one spot It's not good on Monday. I went home and I went to sleep I got home like relatively early like in the two o'clock hour. I was like, I gotta pick my daughter up around by five So I was like, I got a nap. I got a time for a nap here. I drool napped to like five thirty. I had to, I was like late to get my daughter drool. Oh, those drool napped are crazy. And my house we just call them naps.

Put it on the pole, please, Juju at Levitator show. Do you love a nap in which you drool? My sleep paralysis demon, by the way, was just two gots. Thank you. rule. My sleep paralysis demon by the way was just two gots. Thank you. Jess, have you ever had a hangover for three days before? Yeah.

So this is not as drunk as you have been then. I've never been this overtired, I think for five days. This is this part not so much. Can you explain to me, because I thought the Vegas flight that I had was bad, Stu, guys, I've told you before, I don't know how the executive decisions get made on serving beans in a flying tube for five hours.

Like, you cannot do that because some people are rude, and they take advantage of the fact that you don't know who the farder is, and I don't know who those people are. Sorry. Those people are wildly, wildly inconsiderate. Stugatz thinks that he muffles those farts. He thinks he's got a technique to keep those under control.

Right, into the cushion. Into the cushion, he does. Oh, I had to sit in first class. Wah, they serve me beans. By the way, you can pre-order in first class. And you can get a cheeseburger if you like. I mean, first class farts smell different, though. I'm just telling you these farts,

I don't understand how they were serving beans in any part of the plane. You can't serve beans. This fart pairs well with a Qiyanti. That's how I felt. Flying for four hours, I felt like I had a face full of fart in me from trough. You know what I had in coach?

Someone just threw pretzels at my face. Do you call over the flight attendant to wave the air away from you? I will tell you when I started flying first class, it was after flying coach from China with someone who was eating fish on the plane. I'm like, I will never do this in 14 hours of fried fish. But the reason I bring it up is I thought,

I thought I had a terrible flight from Vegas, and then Jessica, who's been following flights like no one in America, told me the story of a flight, Stugans, in which, and I can't believe this is true, maggots were falling out of the overhead onto passengers because, was it a Delta flight? It was a Delta flight from Amsterdam to Detroit.

Maggots started falling out of the overhead bin onto people. Apparently it was in a passengers carry-on bag that had rotten fish inside of it. Oh. How does that get through? Put it on the pole please, Juju, at LeBantard Show. Do you expect rotten fish to be kept off the plane by airport security?

You're blaming me. You're blaming these security gates? Stubbant, I can't get a bottle of cologne or a lotion on the plane. You can't allow a rotten fish on the plane. They're stopping me. I've got all sorts of clearances that I can get because the government has all my information

and I can't get a bottle of lotion on the plane. It can't allow a rotten fish on the plane. They actually ended up turning the flight around and according to people, upon landing back in Amsterdam, the carry-on was placed into another bag and burned. Like a bonfire? They took it out back and they... It smells so gnarly.

I mean... You're setting it on fire. The most unpleasant flight I've had in my life was 14 hours next to somebody who was pulling fried fish out of a bag, an exotic fried fish of some sort, and it can't, I mean, come on, Stu, do you like when, how often is fish being cooked in your house, does it ever, fish is a problem under all circumstances? Every night, Leemann catches a snapper,

he filets that bad boy, fries it up, we eat it, but it's fresh and it smells delicious, Dano. It smells good in the house, fish can smell bad even if it's fresh, but overhead maggot fish on a tube, on a flying tube that now has to go back to Amsterdam. You already headed from the Vegas equivalent internationally to Detroit.

Like, that's a bad flight. How far into the flight were they? Do you know? Two hours. Really? So they had to go back two hours to Amsterdam and burn the bay. Oh my God.

Because maggots are falling out of the sky. Hmm. Lucy, you wanna clear the vibes in here? You wanna clear the fish smell in here? You wanna make it a little? Breathe in and don't smell fish. Hold it. Breathe out.

One more time, breathe in. And breathe out. I will improve the vibes here by pointing out to Lucy that Caitlyn Clark is about to have the best day ever, which means that Lucy's about to have the best day ever because there's no one who makes her happier in the world than Caitlyn Clark. I hate that you only left me about a minute to talk about this, but that's okay. I'll bleed it into the next segment. I have zero problem doing that tonight

Caitlin will most likely break the all-time scoring record in women's college basketball She is eight points away from being the all-time leading scorer She's only like 200 or so points away for being the all-time scorer men's or women's This is we're playing kind of a tennis, Michigan, not doing their best right now. It should happen in the first quarter. It will be such a remarkable moment for women's basketball, for me personally,

which is the most important part. Court side seats are going for like $10,000 a pop. This is like one of the toughest tickets to get an event like get into. I'm just, it is gonna be such a good day for me. It's gonna be a great day for Caitlin. It's gonna be a great day for Caitlin. It's gonna be a great day for everyone. Ah, I'm so excited.

8 p.m. tonight, they play Michigan. You still have 45 seconds. They know, well I went through it really fast in my head because I looked at the clock and I was like, oh my God, well I can't talk about everything that Caitlin means to me. Like she's changed my life. She's changed all of our lives.

She's changed women's basketball. She's changed college sports in general. Like it's kind of tough because you sit here and you get to watch this run and let me just tell you, I think. Like, it's kind of tough because you sit here and you get to watch this run. And let me just tell you, I think the scoring, it's kind of getting to her head a little bit. The record, she hasn't played her best the last few games. Kelsey Plum came out and was like,

girl, when I had to do this, it was really tough. People didn't really think about, you know, what I was going through. So I'm happy that Caitlin's just gonna get it over with tonight. She gets to do it in front of a home crowd. And she's gonna be the all-time leading scorer. That's amazing. Everyone should be cheering right now. Everybody clap!

Row, row, row your boat. Gently down the stream. Oh, Dr. U. Katelyn. Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily. The Dan Lebatard show with Stugatz is sponsored by BetterHelp. Imagine a person who values their relationships with someone deeply. They might have encountered challenges in communication, understanding, or differing perspectives over time. A common misconception about relationships is that they have to be easy to be right,

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It was easy. Boom. Stugatz! It's such a lane for you. Just everything in college football is awesome. Any single thing that happens she gets deliriously happy about don't you miss viewing sports through that prism though like I'm envious of Lucy like I wish that I could

still be happy this is the done levitar show with this two guys like Lucy said Caitlin didn't have her best quarter on Sunday and Kelsey Plum, who holds the record, actually tweeted at her before that and said congratulations on the record and really your entire season. I appreciate what you do for the game, much respect and love. See you at the next level, hopefully sooner than later. Caitlin proceeded to not score the eight points she needed to beat the record and then Kelsey Plum quote, tweeted and said, my bad, next game. And you got that Mulkey saying that nobody on her team

shoots 40 times a game. Actually, you know what, this is a good segue because there's something I've wanted to talk about here. Cheryl Swoops, women's basketball legend, has been starting a lot of beef with Iowa fans, Caitlyn Clark fans coming out. This has made me so upset, but it was like a few weeks ago, just come out and being like, you know,

Caitlyn's doing this in your fifth year. She's had all this extra time. She's got 40 shots a game. Just some of the same narrative we've heard from Kim Mulkey and other coaches around the country, which I don't understand why you hate Caitlyn. I don't, she's amazing for the game. She's growing the game.

She's amazing to watch. Caitlyn did her fourth year. She lost time because of COVID. She's doing this, like if she had had that full season to start off her career, she would have done this faster. And more impressively, like it's one of these things that's been weird to watch, like, and I know I'm so, so biased because I love her so much,

but I'm like, how could anybody hate her? And it makes me so angry that people aren't rooting for her. She's amazing. You say it's weird to watch, and to me me it's something I've gotten tired of over 30 years where athletic Greatness the way that we cover it now is so poison Contaminated you got to have takes that basically anyone who's doing anything great is gonna be inundated with haters Look at what's happening all around Shannon sharp and McAfee and who it is that gets mad about what's happening around Shannon Sharpe and McAfee.

How much criticism arrives in all sorts of forms in our industry because someone is climbing in a way that makes others uncomfortable and is obvious. I will tell you this to God's cause I mentioned it yesterday. Nick Wright is gonna get it and should get an enormous amount of money from Fox. One of the great joys for me of watching his ascent from Kansas City radios to God's. He's at the parade hugging everyone before it becomes tragic from Kansas City radio. No one gets to make this rise and the zig that he has done while

everyone else is zagging is simply to believe in LeBron James and Patrick Mahomes during this time. Because everyone else is figuring out the ways to try to tear them down and tell you, hey, he's not Jordan. He's not Tom Brady. And therefore, he's not as great as you think he is. Caitlin Clark is not who. Like, who are we putting her up against because you can say compiler five years if you insist on hating. He hasn't played five years though that's literally a lie. No but she got the extra year so there is something going on in college sports where 23 and 24 year olds are playing against 18 years. Yeah she's in her fourth year she has the opportunity to stay for a fifth year after the season. God would I love for her to do that but I don't believe she's going to just listening

to her press conferences, how she sounds after games. Like she's been very open about, I'm treating the season as it's my last. So she's not taking that extra time. It's just wild. Like I have had the most fun in my entire life, the past few years being an Iowa women's basketball fan,

just like taking in all these moments and enjoying it. And it's something I wish more people would do. Like we get to watch Greatness all the time. We get to watch Patrick Mahomes. We get to watch Caitlin Clark. Like why don't we just sit, have a good time, just enjoy the things that are ahead of us because we may never see it again.

Boom. But then Lucy, you see Iowa fans like making t-shirts that say don't be a Cheryl, disrespecting one of the legends of women's basketball. And you see how like maybe she was wrong, Cheryl Swoops was wrong in the number of games that Caitlin's played, but it does become a situation where now you're minimizing the achievements of a woman

who was a pioneer in women's basketball. And I think you can't take Caitlin Clark out of a wider conversation about how women's basketball in general is covered, especially from the angle of race and the angle of sexuality and all of the things that we've talked about on the show like a hundred times, but I think that that is also part of the story here.

Can we discuss this part, those two guys? When you have a pioneer, okay, worth celebrating, where it's not just that she's great, it's that everywhere she pops up now is an event. The idea that we're talking about $10,000 courtside seats for something in women's basketball is a seminal symbolic achievement. It's great. And you can tear it down.

And furthermore, in the content industry, Stugatz, you're rewarded for finding all of the ways that that's less great than you think it is because talking again and again about how great it is isn't good for the content machine. Just celebrating and being like, wow, Caitlin, Clark, amazing, or, hey, Mahomes, you're amazing, or LeBron, you're amazing. The vibes that Lucy wants around sports are what the vibes should be, but cannot be in

the way that we cover sports or in the way that America is right now, we will pollute the escape hatch with all of our criticisms and we will soak it in our own unhappinesses. Allow me to help the conversation because I cover all sports the same, by championships and ranks. Caitlin Clark has to win a championship. She cannot go down and-

She's won several big tin championships. No, she has to win a national championship. I'm a boy. Yeah, Lucy, you cannot go down as the greatest college basketball player of all time without winning a national championship. You can't do it. You cannot do it. And Caitlin Clark, who was generally considered the greatest player to ever play women's basketball. She's not. You cannot do that without winning at least one title. This is her last opportunity. She's going to go to the WNBA. She should go to the WNBA, but if she doesn't win a title, I'm not certain she'll be in my top five

college basketball players of all time. How about that? What? Okay, so here's my answer. Help in the conversation. I mean, this is the way it should be covered. Not Lottie, Dottie, let's all celebrate Caitlin Clark. This is real equality. Caitlin Clark needs to win a championship. I love you, but go win something. I love you less. So here's my take on this.

Well, I'm obviously super biased. I'm not going to say that Caitlin Clark is the best basketball player of all time. She's the best basketball player I have been able to watch in the college game. That's something that like, it always makes me think about college football, college basketball in a sense where there's such a larger field and it's so much more competitive. Iowa doesn't have any other major or cruise. We are not Yukon. That it's not South Carolina. What she's done is arguably more impressive to me because if Caitlyn Clark was not on that team, Iowa would be in the tournament,

probably losing the first round, second round. So it's, I think I get the title argument, but it just makes me wanna throw up a little bit. Lucy, you will in future generations be able to explain to the disrespectful kids what Caitlyn Clark actually meant to basketball and to sports I would like to explain to you more if she won a title this year stew this year see you

in Cleveland back to you do you think they have a shot at winning the championship this year Lucy I actually really do I want to know it's a little nervous South Carolina is amazing and South Carolina definitely they are they're upset about what happened in the tournament last year when I watched Iowa's game against Penn State not a particularly amazing team Caitlin not her best game had a stalky though. Wow was she playing great? Kate Martin Wow did she look good if the if they like the surrounding cast for Caitlin can step up a little It's very tough to beat this Iowa team. I'll tell you that let me clear the air on something

You will never see me in Cleveland Back to you that let me clear the air on something you will never see me in Cleveland Back to you that's fair Quiet as it's kept we'll never see you in Sioux City either and we were very false to falls excuse me I'll pay the fine. We'll never see you in Sioux Falls either because evidently everybody what happened there How did all fall apart? He was going from one day to the next Well, it all fell apart because Stu gots never wanted to do it in the first no but he was ready to do it and now it's really hard it's never gonna happen now but it was going to happen I mean no wasn't because he was never he got everything that he asked for and he still had more yeah yeah and he still didn't go but it ended up

being a win because if you follow the local papers the person organizing it got into a bit of trouble Yes carton like yes, mm-hmm, and now it's gone forever. It's my laziness paid off I mean well it's respect that that would fall apart with a scam that doesn't involve you is a real upset He would have been tangled up in it royals. Yeah, it's always had his radar up about that guy Yeah, that is radar up about that guy. Yeah, like something about no one The place I was going to take this though Lucy because you will one day be able to explain what? Caitlyn Clark meant to people I want to show you a quick video right now a Bo Jackson I don't know what Bo Jackson means to you Joe Bo Jackson is at an Auburn game

and he is waving a pom-pom and carrot top comes over and wants to take a selfie and Bo Jackson tells him, hey how about you live life instead of take a picture of living life and runs Karetop out of the proceedings. Lucy what do you know about Bo Jackson, about his legend, about who he is because I would speak about Bo Jackson the way that you speak about Caitlin Clark. Well, I know he played two sports. I've watched, you don't know Bo, the 30 for 30, but it was probably like 10 years ago when I watched that. So like, he's not an athlete.

Like I know who Bo Jackson is. Also, was he the guy that couldn't get rid of his hiccups? I believe that was Bo Jackson. I think that is true. Yeah, so I know him for that as well. Good recall. That's a good thing to remember about Bo Jackson in word association.

Stu Gotts, what are your thoughts there? Play that video again. Bo Jackson insisting that the young people live life instead of take a picture of living life. He's coming over and he wants to- It's an aggressive head shake by him. Because he's like, live your life. I'm waving a pot here.

Live your life is awfully convenient for someone that doesn't want to take a selfie though. No but I totally agree you lose moments because you're stuck in your phone and you're trying to take pictures just enjoy the moment and have your own memories I mean. You can see his mouth he's like no I'm in the moment. Right yes enjoy it. This is clearly happening during the game so yeah yeah say no you're there to enjoy it like if it had happened at halftime, then I'd be like,

hey, you probably should have just taken the picture and be nice, but like, I get it. How about Bo getting in there with a nice, he's cheering right now, he's like, I'm cheering right now, look at this thing. Yeah, pom-pom also sets a perimeter. You're right. This is definitely a, I see both sides thing.

If you see Bo Jackson, one of the greatest running backs of all time in college football, you wanna take a selfie. Yeah, especially if you're at Auburn. Right, and if you're Bo Jackson, get the hell away from me, there's gameplay happening right now. I'm going to be able to explain to people for eternity that there was an athlete who played football

and professional baseball. There were two of them during that time. I got so spoiled as a kid. So spoiled as a kid growing up that I just thought it was normal that multiple athletes would be playing multiple sports at the exact same time. It still happens.

Jeff Samarjo was my example growing up. Yes. Oh, the shark. Jordan Faizon for Notre Dame. For the Golden Low Cross game yesterday. You say Samarjo. We had better examples examples We had better examples some Marge's peppers Some for Notre Dame and did some spots starting for the Cubs Jimmy Graham Hopefully north at Omer. I do some Arja Giants not some Arja Cubs did some did some Arja play a professional football No play

Definitely good of you no no again bow and deon did what do you mean you could have no they did at a high level there's modern examples dance specifically Notre Dame ones that I grew up with yeah but they did it the Samarjah didn't when you start with bow and deon you have to out do Dan there you didn't who's the last person that tried was it Tony Gonzalez Kyler Murray Russell Wilson played in a spring training game hey it's Mike Ryan recently got back from Las Vegas Nevada was there with some good friends some co-workersworkers, and it was a good time.

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