The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Roy's Smoldering Blaze Alibi

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

Hawk gives his insight on the Browns drafting Shedeur Sanders, Mike Ryan previews Pat Riley's exit press conference and Roy tells us where he was when his neighbor's house set on fire. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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This seems like a sicko's delight, this UFC card. Very good card, Mike. There's also been something else that's been dropped off. The MMA Hangout. Unfortunatly not doing a stream tonight on Saturday. Just this one. I don't think that's fortuitous. It's unfortunatous.

Yeah, that's closer to it. Is that a word? I think re-fortuitous. I don't know about that. Il-fortortunous. Yeah, that's closer to it. Is that a word? I think re fortuitous Yeah, I don't know about that. I like it. Oh fortuitous That one for sure. Yeah that one for sure, but no one may hang out for UFC 315 We'll be back doubling up on in the month of June. We've got two cards We've got UFC 316 and we've got 317 UFC International Fight Week at the end of June We've got Sean O'Malley versus

Marabdowalish Veely in Newark on the 7th of June. So we got a packed June, but you know, we're going to take this one off to recalibrate and retool for June. Are they feeding Aldo to Zabi or what's the deal here? Aldo dude, Aldo's held his own. Like he's probably one of the legends of the sport in his Aldo's held his own. He's probably one of the legends of the sport in his division. But he's still kind of fighting well. So what I'm more interested to see is Bala Muhammad beat Leon Edwards in London at a 4 o'clock AM card.

Now the question is, is he good enough to win this fight against Jack Della Maddalena? And then what he wants to do. One of the great names to say. JDM, yeah, Jack Della. Say say one more time Jack Della, Madelena Jack Della Madelena. Yeah from down under Jack Della Madelena. Yeah, JDM so if Islam who's the owner of the pound-for-pound best fighter on the planet Islam Akashev He's the 155 champ. He's looking at 170 which is the next division up and saying if Balak Muhammad beats JDM I'm gonna go fight

Balak Muhammad who I know I can beat to take the 170 crown beat to division champ for 155 and 170 so there's a lot of things happening in the next couple of months where Elio Toporia might have who he's fighting now that he's moved up to lightweight from featherweight so a lot of exciting things happening in UFC 315 unfortunately MMA Hangout will not be streaming live, but we will be streaming live on the 7th for UFC, June 7th, excuse me, for UFC 316, and then June 28th for UFC 317 International Fight Week.

Fortuitously. Actually, the sports weekend gets going at 1 o'clock here, because there's a time on our tradition that starts at 1 PM Eastern today. You think Hawk knows what it is? The end of season Pat Riley presser. And Billy, I know you're charged up about this. Look, there is a certain special specter hanging over this one that hasn't hung over

a Pat Riley postseason presser before. Pat Riley postseason presser, that's a good one. That's another one. Jack Della Madalena. I feel like he doesn't, I think what you're hinting at is is he going to announce that he's stepping down or aside in any regard. I feel like that would be built up more.

That would be a video they would release. I feel like that's just not just gonna be Pat walking up to a stand, hey I'm done. I think we're gonna get something bigger than that. And Mike's giving me a look. Mike's giving you a look. There'd be buzz about. You know something?

Mike, what's up? You know something? I don't think Pat would I mean ever retire first LeBron or Pat Riley Wow LeBron yeah LeBron LeBron retires first I don't think Pat is capable you know I know man I think Billy nailed it. I saw I saw like an Instagram post There was a slide thing and I love I love a good slide where I have to go and it like teases once the next It's like Jackie Chan announces when he will retire and I was like oh, I gotta go to slide two to figure out Yeah, and I go to slide two and she says never We'll say though when when Pat stepped aside as head coach,

that was a shock. And now he did come back. It was a shock to him as well. I thought, what the hell did I just do? He did come back. But he didn't have this big hullabaloo surrounding his stepping down. Hullabaloo, that's a good one.

It kind of caught people by surprise. So what is different about this Pat Riley postseason presser is vibes I don't think have ever been this down around this franchise has become evident that he failed. You know, it wasn't just the players, coaches, there was an architectural flaw around this team. And this season gave credence to the fact that yeah I know at the end of the day you made it to two finals one is an eighth seed one in the bubble one you went on an improbable run no one's ever gonna take that away from you but also it worked against the best interest of this

franchise over the last two seasons because it tricked you into thinking that that team was championship caliber and it just got hot. They were fluky. It pains me to say that. There were so many great memories. Beating Boston's ass. I love it. It's great.

Great memories. But that team was not gonna get over the hump as it was built. They needed a player better than Jimmy Butler. This president failed the franchise. So what do we want here, an apology? I do. It's just like, oh, okay. I don't wanna hear it. Good luck with that. I'm not one of those people that's pushing Pat Riley out the franchise. So what do we want here, an apology? I do. It's just like, wow, okay. I don't wanna hear him just-

Don't lie to my dad. I'm not one of those people that's pushing Pat Riley out the door. I'm one of those people that have been holding him accountable, and apologizing to the audience for all the water that I carried for him over the years. Acknowledge how bad it is.

Yeah, I wanna hear you say, I'm sorry, this one's on me. I shouldn't have put out that press release. I shouldn't have put one of the game's most volatile players, I shouldn't have backed him into a corner and nuked my season by having him hold it hostage because I misread that because of my own ego and pride. That's what I want to hear from Pat Riley,

an acknowledgement that it wasn't just on Jimmy Butler. It was you and Jimmy Butler clashing heads, having this power struggle that was beyond stupid for a team that finished 10th in the Eastern Conference. That would be incredible. It's not gonna happen. I think we will get, I think there will be an acknowledgement of this hasn't been our best year yet.

Nah, we're moving forward with people who wanna be here. No, you have to be accountable. I mean, there will be very limited accountability. There will be a line or two of it's not good right now. I know we need to fix this. What comes first, an apology or a retirement for Pat Riley? A retirement. A retirement. I'm just trying to get a gauge. I think that, I know we need to fix this. What comes first, an apology or a retirement for Pat Riley? A retirement. A retirement.

I'm trying to get engaged. I think that, I think. I'm just ranking the system. I think. So LeBron retires. You don't think this one got to him? You don't think that, like, you don't think that this season in particular

was a thudding acknowledgement that they had it wrong. He's had to have heard the noise. Like, you have to acknowledge it. No, he has. He has. Like, the stuff that he's leaked out, like the one South Beach Sessions, like the unwashed thing that he did with Dan,

like he's heard the chatter. He knows. He knows. He knows he lost me over the course of the season. I know that. He knows that he's got to pay Terry Rozier 26 and a half million dollars next year. The Rozier thing.

Can he just be like, Yeah. My bad. My bad. It's already been leaked out to beat riders. They know. They know. With finality, they botched that one.

And he'll probably acknowledge that today, but there's huge obstacles here. What are you going to give the fan base to excite them? Pat Riley is always good about that. But I think what I want, more than anything, is a pound of flesh. I want an acknowled acknowledgement that your ego, your pride got in the way.

That you failed in putting the right roster for one of the greatest head coaches ever together. But also, because of BS, you kind of interfered with the season and you made it worse than it should have been by not trading Jimmy over the summer, by backing him into a corner, by upping the ANT, and if you believe what Jimmy's leaked out to the athletic, by having a ridiculous meeting with Jimmy Butler that he turned around and used against you.

Like we need to acknowledge that we failed here and you don't have much time Pat, like you're getting up there. I want Pat to ride off in the sunset with the ultimate glory of a championship because that guy, one of the greatest head coaches of all time, certainly one of the greatest executives of all time, one of the greatest motivators of all time, one of the great personalities in that sport, certainly a South Florida hero. I've always maintained this team could go winless next year. Pat Riley gets to decide how he wants to go out. There is no Miami Heat franchise. There is no legacy. There is no culture. There are no banners without Pat Riley.

If there is one, this will say nothing franchise before Pat Riley got here. If there is anybody in this town that deserves to write their way out, it's Pat Riley. Just don't be delusional. Don't pee on my shoe and tell me it's rain. Don't like get me excited for next year, but acknowledge that you kinda let me down. The thing is when you're talking about writing the storybook ending for Pat Riley like you look at the landscape of the NBA right now

And the heat are so far away From winning a title with the current roster construction and with the options that are coming out as far as free agents as far as Players you can trade for there's so many teams that are so loaded and ready to take that next step as younger teams like the Houston Rockets. There's teams out there that you're like, oh, they're so much closer. For the Heat to chase that championship, it's like, how many years can Pat chase?

And how many years can he try and build a championship roster that it's like, we're getting really up there? And how open can he be about all the failures that he's perceived to have done, especially this season, with that on the back burner? Basically, you start to build your own case to get you out of there. I wouldn't self-incriminate that way,

but I get why you want that kind of accountability. And look, Bayom's still young. He's technically in the prime of his career, it feels like he's older than he actually is. But I don't know, it's not like when they had the down year, you knew that when they drafted Michael Beasley, didn't get lucky enough to get the top pick, and Derrick Rose, you still had a player

in the prime of his career that you knew could get you there in Dwyane Wade. Is the superstar player that could be a piece on a championship team on this roster, we know that that's not the case because they were in the play-in as a 10 seed and got in and got thoroughly dismantled by a team that is by the way down O2 to the Indiana Phasers.

Getting exposed. Yeah, hurt. I'll be it, but still. It's not just that the Cleveland Cavaliers are great, in fact, they're looking a little funny under the light. You were just really, really bad. It worked out better that they got Michael Beasley, right? Because had they gotten Derrick Rose,

they never would have had a big three. You never know how that shakes out. You would not have had the big three if you had Derrick Rose. I think you have a big three with Derrick Rose. You know? If Derrick Rose is part of it, do you have a big three? Do you get Bosch instead of LeBron?

Derrick Rose won an MVP, dude. Derrick Rose went on to win an MVP. Well, they took that one away from LeBron. They did. It was Paul Trix. I don't know if you have LeBron. Paul Trix. You Rose won a 100-win MVP. They took that one away from LeBron. They did. It was Paul Trix. I don't know if you have LeBron. You probably don't have Chris Bosh. And you have three little guys, well, two little guys

on the perimeter in Dwyane Wade and Derek Rose. And maybe you revolutionized basketball before, and you put LeBron at the four, and there's just no Chris Bosh. But come on, man. That's tough. I'd rather have had Derek Rose. Putting Bosh at the four was revolutionary at that point, tooch but that come on man that's revolutionary at that point too yeah rather had Derek Rose and then Michael Beasley then he's

now yeah I would have taken busy but Halleballoo is a great white saying it is that's like a top tier that like why I oughta if they snapped with that one over my dead body is a goat white phrase that That's a good one. My favorite is I don't give a rat's ass is like For me, I'll do that one. Yeah, Hall of Fame white say there is a good one like spitting right there We did a lot of like Cuervo red It's top tier. I wore a backwards hat and in the comments like did that hat come with instructions? Top tier old man banter. That's a great Cody line.

Top tier. You got my ass. You're right. I don't know how to put hats on. It didn't come with instructions. I didn't know what side was up front. You got me. Folks, listen up.

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That dude sucks. That dude's a terrible football player. Dave Davis is a bad football player. He's a bad football player, has been for several years. You haven't needed to look for that one, but they gave him a three for 39 deal, which I thought was interesting. And then they cut him after 14 months. He played in a really weird AFC championship game and I know he went, he was incredible. He was great, but so was Josh out. Come on man. Dave Davis is bad. He's's gonna go back to Buffalo and he's going to resurge like What prompted the Jaguars to give him that contract in the first place because he has Josh Allen did the Bills get Elijah Moore?

I believe they did that was last week's don't What do you think about that? I like Elijah Moore man. There is that I think he's a really good slot I think he needs to be with the quarterback like Josh Allen who can give him the time to get open his key is separation But that takes time. You don't get a lot of time in Cleveland Unfortunately, the next news Panthers cut Jadavian Clowney Wow, he was on the roster. Shout out to Jadavian Clowney. For a year. I was not looking then Now you're not looking again. Did you know that Jadani Clowney was a Carolina Panthers? You guys look like Star Trek.

I didn't know that. The fact that he's still playing is give him a round of applause is what that means. Why would he sign with Carolina? Money. One year deal. That's what he does for the last decade. Yeah, but he's a mercenary.

But isn't he a mercenary with teams that got a chance? Got a chance to call. Those didn't direct deposit. Exactly. Or is that like an I'm? Got a chance to call. Those didn't direct the positive. Exactly. Or was that like an I'm coming home type of deal? Yeah, maybe that's it. It's like, hey, you're offering me how much? Yeah, I'll take that.

All right, last one here. The legend, the goat, Tom Brady, who is mentee is, Chedure Sanders says, use the slide as motivation, Chedure. Chip. Chip. Chip on the shoulder. I would love to talk about the Cleveland Brown situation with the noted Browns luminary, Andrew Hawkins. But I don't know if I can look at it.

We can look. We can look. We can look. Yeah, we can look. We're good. Yeah, haven't had an opportunity to talk to you about this craziness. Now, the Kim Ward thing never happened for Cleveland.

That means I'm back to, you know. I know. That was the worst part. We didn't get Mike back. I have that down as my point here. The Cleveland Browns fan base did not bring Mike Ryan back into the fold because we didn't get Cam Ward. Are you a Titans guy now?

Not starting to jump in, but you said you were gonna kind of follow him. So are you the Titans your squad? Yeah, I support Baker and Lord knows I love Cam Ward. I'm going to be rooting for Cam Ward there. I might become a Titans guy. We'll see how that plays out organically. One thing that I'm not is I'm not a Browns guy. Yeah.

That should have been the godfather offer. And honestly, it should have been talked about in the holes at Berea. Like, they should have talked about, is it Berea or Berea? Berea? I think I made it a taco. Berea. Berea?

JJ, it's delicious. It's Nylander. Place in LA? Nylander, Berea. Yeah, so? JJ, delicious. It's Nylander. Place in LA? Nylander, Borea. Yeah, so they don't get the quarterback that's going to turn their franchise around. Instead, they get two of them. Get two of them.

There you go. I know that Hard Knocks is up in the air. In fact, they were going to go to college, and then Jordan got in the way. Can we just do Netflix, quarterback, but just stay in Cleveland? I just want to see the way. Can we just do Netflix, quarterback, but just stay in Cleveland? Just train camp. I just want to see the battle.

I want to see the first position meeting of the offseason at Cleveland. Now, to me, knowing how Jimmy Haslam operates over there, the Shador thing, and just watching Andrew Barry go be on camera and have to, like like Safanski's fake clap, this was a Jimmy Haslem call, was it not? I do not have that information. I don't think we need it.

I think I was thinking very similar things during the time. I think it was a great pick. My son has been on Cloud 9 since then, and my son is 13, what generation is he? Gen Alpha? Or is that Gen Z? Yeah. That kind of thing. Anyway, Shador, if you're on Brownsland

and you're a Gen Alpha kid, I mean, when I say he's had a newfound swagger since the NFL draft just because Shador is on the roster, it's going to do a lot there. Has anyone ever been done dirtier than Dylan Gabriel? Yeah, that was a dirty situation. RG3? I mean, but RG3 was so very clearly the guy

and got the base excited, he wasn't sweating Kirk Cousins. The bigger name was picked first there. Yeah, this is a way different situation. Dylan Gabriel is not a bigger name than Chador Sanders Not even remotely close. That's another thing. They shouldn't have taken Dylan Gabriel in the third round That was a ridiculous big dumb pick. You think it was too high? Yeah way too high. He's high Yeah in that video we played a few weeks ago. Oh really? Yeah, I think Kirk was a fourth-rounder

Okay, still close enough for you To the history is that Shanahan's were like they weren weren't big on RG3, and they're like, we need somebody else, Justin Kay. Kirk had a bit of a career. That had the whole situation in how it's gone down historically is all played a piece to it. You remember when RG3 at the time was looking around at the greatest coaching

staff ever assembled and been like, you don't know what you're talking about. And then you fast forward eight years, and he's still like, they didn't know what they're talking about. Our king. And there's like They like yeah Robert Daniel

What are we doing here Rob? I think Dylan Gabriel and should door Sanders is so interesting because Shadoor really does have first round tape like I feel like through the draft process And I know this has been talked about it You know a nauseam, but like it was a tanked process from the very beginning but it's like when you're watching somebody like him because it's it doesn't stand out as a rocket arm. It doesn't stand out as any of these like specific qualities were like, oh yeah, no, this is top 10 status. Everything outside of that is now what you're judging them on

and I'm sure hindsight is 20-20, and if they could go back, they would go through the process differently. But there is a list of people who have tanked his draft status. First, it was Dion, right, for a lot of reasons. But mostly because he had Shador last of his three children. Can you please do me the favor, though,

and say Shador tanked his draft status the most? Well, he's on the list. But we're going to start with Deion because I have a theory that if Shiloh Sanders and Shador Sanders swapped personalities, they both would have been drafted in the first two rounds. Because Shador has a defensive backs personality and you can't have that at the quarterback position, but he is the closest thing to his father in personality of, hey, I don't care about what's going on.

If it ain't for me, then it ain't for me. I'm gonna go out there and play. And when you're looking for a CEO of a team in a locker room, that's a tough personality to have because there's so many other factors that need to also be at their best for you to be at your best. Whereas at a DB, on an island,

my job, we could be down 50-nothing. And if I stop this guy from catching the ball, I'm him, and I'm getting a big contract for it. Not really how the quarterback position works. And I think that demeanor is one thing that hurt Shador, to your point, about how he's gone through the process or answered some of the questions the same way that you would expect Dion to answer him.

Yeah, the further away you get from the ball and the NFL, the more boisterous the personality historically. You can have it that way. That's what we want out of my DBs. Yeah, and we've seen it with guys with certain talent levels fall under the weight of that. Johnny Manziel, never that good. But it was something that he said about Baker,

and they wrote Baker off. And even Tom Brady still has an issue with it. Baker's still kind of beefing with Tom Brady because he has a different way to do it. But he has a special arm. I'm not sure if Shador has a special arm. What I do see when I look at Shador's tape is I see a team that had the most wide receivers in the NFL

draft drafted. There was a lot of weapons there. An NFL mind, say what you will about him, Lord knows I have my feelings, but Pat Shermer like that has NFL experience. From high school, working with the best coaches, you mentioned it yourself. He was learning at the knee of Tom Brady.

Everything around Shadora Sanders was kind of built for him to excel. And I think that hurt him. I think Shadora Sanders is a good quarterback, and I'm not just saying this. I think he is better than people are giving him credit for, because I think all those factors, when you look at what is sports nepotism,

basically a version of it, you're thinking, oh, everything is set the stage for you. Whereas the only real test we have is when you throw it through the fire. So yes, your dad coaching you from little league all the way through your college career, no matter how good you are, is gonna make people question.

And when it feels like everything is built for your success, it's gonna make people question your ability. But I will say, when you look on camera on film, he is doing things that a lot of quarterbacks can't do. He has a feel, he has a timing, he doesn't get rattled in the pocket, he doesn't get rattled with pressure, he makes big time throws and getting punched in the face.

And even when you drive the quarterback top 10, that is still a question mark. Like, are you gonna stand in there, make the right throw when you have NFL caliber linebackers with that speed moving at the speed of Mack trucks coming to hit you? And Shador does that really well, but I think all the other factors to your point may give people the out of saying, well, this, then that is great and this. And yeah, he does have really well, but I think all the other factors to your point give people the out of saying, well, this,

that is great and this, and yeah, he does have really great receivers, but most good quarterbacks make receivers look good as well. Here's where I'm most concerned, though. We all acknowledge that he was put in a situation in Colorado pretty much since birth to have him excel. And he's going to Cleveland, a franchise that

doesn't do that for its quarterback. That is not a place. It's not a place where, what about the Cleveland Browns organization and the lack of stability makes you think that Shador, who maxed out as a fifth round draft pick, despite all that stuff that was positive around him, that was built for him to succeed, now all of a sudden he gets to Cleveland,

he's not gonna have that. I just don't think it's gonna work because it never works for this franchise. I mean, that sounds like you're setting the stage for the Hallmark movie of a Cleveland Brown Super Bowl, man. That's like, that's what he needs. Yeah, but it might be for Kenny Pickett. Yeah, maybe, maybe.

Cedric Tillman, why receiver one? But it is how football works. You gotta go through some hard times to give yourself the motivation So yeah, Tom Brady giving him that advice is sound advice But also it's needed like you gotta go through hard things in order to figure out how you process this So the chips are stacked against them for the first time in his career No matter what he says in a press conference of like yeah, you know've been through hard times though you've you've grown up I'm sure things are hard things are hard for everybody but comparatively to some of the other

stories we've seen like this is his first real bit of football adversity he's not a B people are turning their backs on you now now is that gonna drive you and this is gonna tell us who you are if you come out on the other side you've now practiced the process that actually push you to maximize what the talent is that you have. I just don't even understand the setup, though. Can he even get off to a good start, given what's in that quarterback room there? Maybe not.

Because Joe Flacco's going to be getting reps, because you look at the quarterback room, and I guess you assume Joe will enter their offseason training program as QB1. You don't think so? I mean right now I guess but I don't think. They have too many quarterbacks for a quarterback battle right now. Like how do you even like you need three. They get rid of one. If I was to guess I think they get rid of Kenny Pickett. You think? I mean how bonkers they just traded for him. They're gonna trade Kenny Pickett before they

even put him in a in an orange helmet. I mean, what did they lose there? Fifth rounder? Come on. DTR, too? You know what? As a famous quote, Jimmy Haslam told me when he was quoting me and when he was quoting me for free agency, a famous quote was, I'm not trying to win the Cap Cup.

And he's OK with losing compensation if it means this team is better. I mean, they've got Jerry Judy. They've got Njoku, they've got a running game that is proof of concept and they just brought in Judkins, right? So, I mean. They like Dylan.

I think Shador is gonna surprise them as well. I think it ends up being those two. Maybe they start with Joe Flacco and they put themselves in a situation where they have some capital down the line, but I think they got two really good quarterbacks in this draft. You know who tanks Shador's draft status the most, Mike?

It was an inside job. It was Cam Ward. Think about every video you saw of them together. Yeah, Cam Ward would die. And it's like the whole, they're friends, right? They're buddies, they've trained. And every time it'd be like, yeah, all I care about is football, you can rap.

Or, man, you don't like to work hard. That's weird, because I love to work hard. And every, as more and more the videos came out. You're a Jim Ward now? This is insane. I was like- I am not blaming Cam Ward. I was like, whoa, hold on now.

Cause everything that Cam Ward was saying was true. With friends like that, who needs enemies, bro? He's got a point, he's got a point. Come on, dude. The point is that Cam Ward accurately called out should door? I'm just saying you'd have to put it on film. It feels like dry hating is what if you Accumulate all the videos dry hating put it together And it's like if you're going if those are the two one and two quarterback

And it's like well Let's see them together and how they interact, how they train. And he's keep saying stuff like, yeah, all I eat, sleep and breathe football because I ain't got nothing else. All I care about is winning. You got everything else. And Shador is not, he playing into it.

He's not even aware. I'm wanting to be like, Shador, bro, catch the game, man. You're not- Of course he's playing into it. You catch the game, dude. You're not gonna win that mental battle. You're not gonna win that, first off, you're not gonna win that arm battle against Cam Ward if you're not playing into it you get you catch the game you're not gonna win that mental battle you're not gonna win that first off you're not gonna win that arm battle against cam ward if you're chador sanders and you're not winning the mental battle because that dude ran the wing t in high school I

saw that video I was like man Ken was a nerd there's at least five there's at least five videos of them together yeah I was like where it has that same your tone everything they talk about what was weird is like he turns genius by can he turn that around on chador because Shador was like You were late to practice it starts with cam ward was doing the unprofessional thing Nobody pays attention that I can board dunks on him so hard. He's like yeah, you were waiting on me But when I got here, I was a friggin man, and you were just you were the unprofessional one How how did that happen to Shador Sanders that's all I call dude. That's a

That's the most concerning part for Shador to lose that banter right there because Shador was there on time and everyone thinks that he's the clown. Everyone thought he got clowned. He's the one that shows up late. He's the one that doesn't work hard. Man, genius by Ken Ward, man.

I did something yesterday. I was working from home and I did something that I quite frankly haven't done in my entire life. I binged an entire series in one day. That was only six episodes. But I'm a big NASCAR fan and I caught up to it. Sounds like you weren't working from home if you watched the entire series.

I mean, math will tell you that it's almost impossible. Really? I think if anybody can understand how crazy this job can be away from it, it might be you. So yeah, I was working plenty. But I watched six 45-minute episodes, beginning with the morning coffee and throughout the day until late at night. Not a crazy day in sports.

Was able to follow them on the two TVs. And I watched NASCAR Full Speed Season 2 on Netflix. And it was awesome. Clearly, because I burned through it an entire day. Now I know Formula One set the template for this stuff. Everybody wants a Formula One style Netflix show for their sport. Many have tried, many have failed,

many have actually put up respectable efforts. But there's something about motorsports that really leans in. And I really love this show. And I didn't feel alienated by it, by somebody that, as somebody that follows the sport week to week, I didn't feel like they were talking to somebody as somebody that follows a sport week to week, I didn't feel like they were talking to me dumb.

I appreciated the insight that they had in terms of context that they offered. I certainly appreciated the access. I don't think there's really many athletes like Denny Hamlin on the planet that talks so much shit yet haven't won a championship. Like Denny Hamlin like straight up, like they do a super cut of the stuff that he did.

Denny Hamlin once went into Alex Bowman, while Alex Bowman won a race doing his spin-out stuff. Denny Hamlin crashed into Bowman's car, gave him double middle fingers, and just kept pushing on the gas. It's like the most insane person ever. And I really, really would give this show the highest endorsement.

I know Billy's our motorsports expert. I don't know if you plan on getting around to it. Our boy Blaney is heavily featured in this, Billy. If I could pay $10,000 to be on one shuttle, it would be his wife's shuttle to go to El Homestead. That looked fun. Really? That looked fun.

Yeah, he's kind of like a supermodel for fiance at the time. Cuervo train was fun. Cuervo train wasn't easy. Oh my God. Yeah, but Talladega, they feature Talladega. It's really well done, so I would give that a really high endorsement. Roy, I don't know if you have time

for watching many series at home, but I overheard you before the show talking about a house fire, and I was not up to speed. Was this your house that caught on fire? No, next door neighbor's house caught on fire. That's scary. It was interesting. What kind of blaze it

It felt like a smoldering blaze, but there were like five ladder trucks outside trying to put that thing out So that that is a smoldering blaze. Yeah, that is a small if you got I don't know What I think more than two fire trucks is concerning. Yeah. Yeah, cuz one you're like, maybe somebody slipped and fell Was it a situation? You may use those like protocol like you gotta show up up with five one guy was next to him like oh Yeah, I'll go with you does feel like a smoldering situation Was this you discovering it and like making the call or you just saw the trucks out there So you got there late kind of thing no I was in the middle of

being a guest on a Panthers podcast when an E came in and said a House is on fire wait. This is the house right next door to you? Yeah, right next door to the tree. Is this the one that you fight with them over the tree? Yes. Oh. Yes, I finally found out. Wait a second.

Crime suspect over here. Wait a second. Someone's been complaining about that tree for a long time. Did the tree make it? Again, I was in the middle of a podcast. Yeah, perfect crime. Perfect alibi. You have your alibi.

Did the tree survive? Were you on camera? Is there video of the podcast only audio time stamp there's video I love how quick he gave us his alibi When you're telling a story about a house burning down alibi is the funniest part because I had to leave in the middle of it Because the firemen said hey you gotta get out They were going to houses surrounding it, like hey, you got to a vac?

Wow. Because for sure, I found out when the fireman told me. I was in the office, I had no idea, outside of my wife telling me. That's right. I didn't treat it seriously because she didn't say it was the next door neighbor. I thought it was across the street.

But it was the next door neighbor. Which by the way, I found out the house has been vacant for two months. Wow. Did we find out what started it? Were you found out when you were inside the house? Lighting it on fire? No, I found out outside.

And then I put my mask down and I thought, there's nobody in here. Not a single person.