The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Sartorial Eloquence

Episode Date: November 11, 2024

Lucy continues to be silenced as we bring in Domonique Foxworth to discuss more headlines from around the NFL. We dive into the Pittsburgh Steelers-Washington Commanders game that caused a rift between Jess and Domonique's producer, Charlie. Domonique still doesn't believe in the Steelers as they barrel towards an epic matchup with the Baltimore Ravens next week. Plus, Patrick Mahomes looks slow as the Chiefs keep getting away with it, Domonique's Maryland Terrapins put a scare into the Oregon Ducks, and now, at this point, it seems like we're just purposefully avoiding the Miami Hurricanes result. Finally, we get to the Canes losing to Georgia Tech and dive deep into how this impacts Miami's season going forward. Is Cam Ward's Heisman campaign over? Did this loss actually hurt Miami that much? That defense is really bad, huh? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere,

fat face and the habitual liar. What's up, Dom? Dominique, how are you? What's up, Chris? Christopher? How are you? Hey, bud. You guys make me happy.

It's good to see all of your smiling faces. You make us happy. I didn't know you were coming on the show today, Dominique. I was just texting you because I was listening to your podcast. Oh, okay. I appreciate it. You make us happy. I didn't know you were coming on the show today, Dominique. I was just texting you because I was listening to your podcast. Oh, okay. I appreciate it. You're welcome.

Either way. Tell Charlie to suck it. I can't, oh, you're, I see you now. I have the, the screen is, is chopped up. So you're the top in the right corner. They got some bright lights on you and they are, they are whiting you all the way out on my screen, right?

Yes. hey Lucy. Hi, I haven't been allowed to speak today. Do you think that's all right? No, I don't actually. Thank you. You know a lot about college football. I think that you should be allowed to speak. I think so too.

I haven't listened, so I don't know. I guess I should ask more questions. I don't know, it's possible that you could have said something so egregious that I should be on probation I literally didn't even I didn't get the chance to say anything. That was the problem I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry about that and somebody tell Mike I'm sorry, and I love him too about this weekend. It really hurt my feelings. They won't even let us talk about that. Oh I'm not a hater. I was rooting for Miami.

I enjoyed it being good. Now, I guess Georgia Tech had one good weekend, but now one good, exciting team is less good and less exciting. It kind of fucking sucks. I thought it was fun. All right, we're coming back here. Lucy is claiming she's being silenced, she's being censored, but this is just scheduled. Dominic Foxworth is here now and he clearly doesn't want to talk about the University

of Miami football team. He's here to talk about professional football. And so Lucy, I'm sorry, we're going to have to postpone it for a little while. It's not because we're against women and it'm sorry, we're gonna have to postpone it for a little while. It's not because we're against women, and it's not because we don't wanna celebrate the University of Miami losing, it's just because Dom was scheduled here.

Usually when you have to say it's not because we're against women, it means it's because you're against women. Okay, well I don't know who you have me being more against here, women or against talking about Georgia Tech defeating the University of Miami? Which am I more against do you think? Well, not interested in your opinion actually.

Let's get to Dominique Foxworth now because the Dominique Foxworth show is something that a lot of people are listening to now on Mondays and every day, but especially on Mondays because his football analysis is a little bit better and more thorough than everyone else's. Let me start with a couple of things, is his football analysis is a little bit better and more thorough than everyone else's. Let me start with a couple of things, one of which is where would you say you would start any show today

if you were talking professional football, if you only had one storyline and you had to say, this is the storyline of the day on a fun Sunday? First of all, I'm gonna need you to do your podcast rankings at some point, because you say that foolishness about everybody who has a show anywhere. This is the best thing ever.

Mina's show is the best. You won good football. Go to God Bless Football. It's the best. Ron McGill knows more about animals than anybody and anything. Like the hyperbole, I want real truth. Like if my show is great, then say it's great.

But you know you don't even listen to it, do you Dan? I didn't say your show was great. I said that the analysis was better than most I find in the places where I'm looking for the astute. I didn't say it was a great show. I said the analysis was good. You're good with words. I've also never listened.

Yeah, and I don't like your producer. Never have. Charlie Kravitz is overrated. Industry-wide, everyone knows him. I will not stand for you disrespecting my co-host, but the producer, producer Charlie, he can get it. Charlie, the co-host, the vanilla snack, as the ladies call him, he is not underrated.

He's got a little fan base brewing, a little fan base think that Charlie and his curls is kinda cute. Jessica's shaking her head, I don't know what she thinks of Charlie, but that didn't seem like a proving. He's a Commanders fan. He was my enemy yesterday, and now moving forward, he will be my friend who I think that I'm better than.

Dominique is out here as one of the few. You're not gonna like what Dominique has to say about your Steelers. He doesn't believe that they can hold up with Russell Wilson throwing 50-50 balls all the time. She knows. I listened to the show. I listened to the show.

I listen to the show on my way into work this morning. I know what Dominique thinks, and I know what Bill thinks of the Steelers. And you know what? That's fine. No one needs to believe in the Steelers. I'm having a great time. There's been seven Sundays this year where I've gone to sleep in my little bed, happy watching Mike Tomlin press conferences where he's saying that he's a degenerate.

And you know what? That's all I need to sustain me through this long, cold winter, Dan. Mike Tomlin is lovable and we all love him and the Steelers are a really fun team that I think are gonna make the playoffs and probably have a chance to win a game or so. But that good sleep that you've been having,

oh, it's gonna go away when you look at who you got coming up on the schedule because you have the best quarterback and the best offense in football and not to mention Derrick Henry. So as good as your defense has been, this will be a very big test for them going up against the Ravens,

but you're gonna score like 35 points against the Ravens defense though. So you got that going, shoot out is what you got. Who's better, eight and two Steelers or four and six Bengals? I think the eight and two Steelers are better. Like the Bengals defense has been an issue in there. Inconsistency is a problem.

I think they give games away. They give games away, whereas the Steelers never give games away. I appreciate a well said from Chris Cody. It is nice. It is very nice. It's like Michael Jordan commenting on me jumping from the free throw line. It is impressive. The king of stutter stumbles has pointed out one of my stutter stumbles I feel like I've made it now the Chiefs are the blank best team in football this year based on how you do the measurements

Fourth Third I don't know like I know that this is the tough thing about the watching the Chiefs is They are entering that territory where they are no longer lovable and they feel like they have a curse on the rest of the league. I know you do point differential a lot and it's a great measurement, particularly for this team

because they line up well with last year's eight and one Eagles team with like a 50 something point differential. And when you have a team that's undefeated and has a chance to go undefeated throughout the whole season, you think about the Oh seven Patriots, which we looked up the Oh seven, Oh seven Patriots at this point. Well said were 230 point differential. I believe right now, the chiefs are at like a 50 point differential. The tough thing about counting them out though, is the things that they do well.

It does feel like are sustainable. Like it's ridiculous. point differential. The tough thing about counting them out though is the things that they do well. It does feel like are sustainable, like it's ridiculous. Patrick Mahomes on third down and Patrick Mahomes in that team is outscoring everybody by a tremendous margin in the fourth quarter. Those things do match up kinda with the theory of

this team just hits the switch. So I hate to say that it's possible that they can do it cause I've never seen it done before. But if any team can do it, they can do it But blocking a field goal is an absolute fluke. Okay, but wait a minute though, Dom when you mentioned the 07 Patriots That's the best team of my lifetime They overwhelmed throttled everyone and then they lost in the Super Bowl This Chiefs team is not anything like that and the worst part about this Chiefs team to me

They've ruined what I used to enjoy about Patrick Mahomes because salary cap, everyone's gonna be equal, you gotta pay everyone. Now I'm watching the Chiefs and it's like, yeah, on third and five, he's gonna run for six yards and they're gonna keep getting it, but I don't like playing football that way. Like that, what that team used to be

versus what I'm watching now, it's like, okay, they'll make their third down conversions cause he's amazing, but you're always doing it in nine yard windows? Like this is crud football I'm watching offensively that needed an off, that needed a blocked field goal to win yesterday cause my home's got two scores. Yeah, I mean, but I think you're right.

And maybe the salary cap has some impact on it, but we can't blame the salary cap altogether because we're looking at again, to go back to the Ravens, the best offensive football, one of the best offenses of all time. They paid their quarterback too. Like there are ways around falling into this dark trap of blaming good players for getting the money they deserve for ruining the fun of our offense or the fun of our league. So I don't think it's all on a salary cap. They've missed on draft picks like Sky Moore and Clyde Edwards, a layer like these were the players that were supposed to launch this offense into the stratosphere

and keep it going. And they have some major issues with like the tackle, the left tackle at a certain point in that game, Patrick Mahomes stopped dropping back with his back to his left tackle and he started backpedaling because he could not bear the idea of turning his back to the left tackle because he kept getting hit in the back by Benito. So like yeah there are problems with this team and yeah when you pay your quarterback it gets harder you have to trade people away but there's no reason for this offense to be so boring and some of the issues that they're having is tight man coverage. They don't got

anybody that can beat tight man coverage and as good as Deandre Hopkins is, he's going to win contested catches. And you expect Xavier Worthy to be the weapon that destroys all these defenses, but Patrick can't hit them on target sometimes. And sometimes Xavier Worthy seems to play like he's a rookie who's never played in NFL. And all these things come to become some big problem. But what happens is you get them in the fourth quarter and Patrick finds a way to scramble where he's running like his knees don't like each other and it's so uncomfortable and ugly, but he gets a conversion and it hits Travis Kelcey

in the middle of the field, well said. Has that not been weird to all of you to see Patrick Mahomes, who's not an old man, his body, his age so much that he is now officially slow? Like he's not, like not that he was ever that much is now officially slow but he's he's not like not that not that he was ever that much faster than everyone but i do see this i feel like i remember the way that his youth has been extinguished i've watched it televised

he's no longer a young person he's he's a he's running around like an old person yeah he he has an awkward gate like like he doesn't run smooth he he remind me of what damn reno look like running with the football late in his career he he just he's older he plays older than it looks in terms of running well but beyond that though uh... dominic help me with something uh... given your expertise on how the athleticism in the sport has changed

i feel like in college in pros every weekend I'm watching something and see somewhere a catch made that I'm like, man that's one of the best catches I've ever seen. Pickens made one of these catches in the game yesterday where he's flipping his body around in mid-flight and I'm like does anybody know how hard it is to do what that man just did in the end zone because that catch I don't know if it's even going to get a lot of attention today but it's one of the best catches I've ever seen. We had a reverse hurdle last week. Like I agree with you, the athletes and the explosiveness

and the coordination and talent is at an all time high. I think that's one of the positive kind of repercussions of like the professionalization of youth athletics is that you get guys where you sort through and find the right player at the right position for the right sport a lot earlier and a lot more often. And then they're practicing and they're watching and they have access to all these highlights from the time that they're eight, nine, 10 years old and they're working on things and they're learning things

until they get to the point where we see it materialized on Sundays. I'm not sure when this eventually stops. I guess it depends on what the inputs are and how those particularly change. And I think right now we're at a situation where professional sports has been so ingrained in our culture that prior to this, like when I was younger and prior to that, it was like, yeah, you would want to be a professional athlete, but it was like pre-free agency. And that happened in 93. And that started to change where it felt like it was like pre-free agency and that happened in 93 and that started to change where it felt like it was a real career path and I think that the results is what we're seeing on Sunday.

I'm not sure if it starts to tail off and we don't keep getting ridiculous athletes because at some point, once you have a Derrick Henry, at some point you're like, look, it don't get no better than this. I mean Lamar Jackson, it don't get no better than this. We cannot imagine that there are going to be some athletes at this level. You have these one handed catches like OBJ caught the ball with three fingers like 50 yards down the field. I can't imagine that at some point someone's just going to go index thumb and snatch it

out of the sky. Like we're done. We're done evolving. It is crazy. You're seeing yourself as an athlete during your prime and you're realizing even though you're one of the most confident people I've ever met and would have had to be to climb to the top of that sport,

you're still looking at people and being like, I don't understand. The physical nature of what it is that I'm watching in the last 10 years has gotten so much better that I feel old watching it. Don't be stupid, Dan. I'm a ridiculous world-class athlete, so I'll cook them kids.

If I was fresh and I ain't tearin' my ACL, I'd get my knee right, my quad strength. Now, I'm talking about everyone else, not me. I would fit right in in this era, in any era. Chris Cody, do you have a read here that would support that commentary? This segment is presented by LinkedIn jobs. Post your job for free at linkedin.com slash prep.

Terms and conditions apply. Read it perfectly. LinkedIn.com slash prep, terms and conditions apply. Read it perfectly. I'm proud to have Dominique Foxworth, and I'm sure LinkedIn is proud to have that analysis of I'm still better than all these kids, I just gotta get my quad right. Yeah, it's just the right one.

The right one, once you get an ACL surgery, sometimes your quads, they don't fire like they used to. Mine neither. It's a little depressing sometimes. Where are you on the way that coaches in the sport have gone the entire other way on fourth down? Yesterday during that Steelers-Commanders game, in his own territory, Mike Tomlin on fourth and one

in a critical slot went for it while the announcers were saying 10 minutes left in the game fourth quarter, you gotta punt it here. What is your make of the way, your take on the way that all of this has changed so it's the most common thing in the world now where the announcers are more risk-averse than the coaches are? Yeah well I'm happy that we're at a point that is acceptable to even consider and that there's a question there because you're right I think some of the the best way to go

about this is if you put yourself on the other side, what would you rather have happen? And most of the time, I want you to punt the ball as the fan of the other team or someone who has some stake in this game, or you're just watching because you care a lot about football. I tend to want them to punt the ball because I feel more comfortable. One yard is not a big distance and it puts the game away. And then it really works really well when you can catch Johnny Newton, a young player

with a nice hard count at the end of the game, which is something also that you can do that. We've never seen work, but it's starting to work apparently now because our players are getting young and they're super athletes who are not as smart as we were back in the day. See how you turn that, Dan? That's the difference between a man or a smarter athlete. Well, I saw Jessica, I agree with Jessica. Jessica yesterday said that that's the best play in football.

It's better than the Hail Mary. You outsmart the other team, you make them jump offside, you leave with the smug satisfaction of we were smarter than you too. It's not just that we beat you. It's at the end we outmaneuvered you and then we just knelt on the ball. I hate that play.

Oh, I love it. It never works. There's nine out of 10 times, no one jumps. All you have done is forced us to watch an uneventful non-snap. But it happened to work this time. But you know what? That means that we're going to see this 15 more times the rest of the season.

It's not going to work. Just punt the ball and go for it. Don't come out there and line up It's not pump faking on me Am I the only one that felt bad for that guy the rookie that jumped hands immediately on the head and made me sad I mean I had the Steelers so I was happy but it was like oh poor guy No, the whole world knew they weren't gonna like there was no play drawn there. They the whole world knew it didn't matter It was he's super He's been really good to this so far this season which is like pretty disappointing and it looked like he was shedding tears on the Siren, so yeah, I felt a little bad as bad for him as good

I felt for I'm Bryce young because I had the same feeling where I saw him, just big grin on his face. I was like, aw, look at that kid, he's happy, it's nice. I'm sure his mentions won't be a dumpster fire at all. I'm sure that the Washington fans with a season of expectations will just shrug that one off and say, ah, it happens, kid. People make mistakes, we're all human. Mm-hmm. I mean, to be fair, if there is a fan base

that will forgive him, it's Washington, because it's been sad here for a long long time there have been so many moral victories i think the commanders are undefeated this see this season the games that they've won and the games they lost they felt so good about hanging in there against the ravens they felt really good well i guess maybe they're getting to the point now where they're starting to be some expectations but i do think generally this fan base is a lot like the Texans were last year where not much was expected and they're overachieving.

So everyone's just incredibly happy. And then they stole that win on the hail Mary play. I think if there's a fan base that's willing to forgive and Johnny Newton's been a revelation on that D line, I think a lot of people here in DC will hug Johnny and Jayden Daniels and accept just about anything from them as long as no one lets Jayden get hurt. Do you guys have a favorite play from yesterday because I have one that I like better than all the others and it's again Josh Allen. Josh Allen rolling to the sideline and

just before getting to the sideline right before the first half throws it wailed down the field and he's the only one in the sport who completes these passes and Matt Collins not only catches it, but with eight seconds left, gets up off the ground 40 yards down the field, and then runs out of bounds so they don't have to use their timeout. There aren't a lot of quarterbacks in the history of the sport who make that play, and he consistently does. Do you have a favorite play from yesterday, Dom?

I mean, Drake May did a similar, like Josh Allen near the sideline pass. That was awesome. Baker Mayfield held off one of the bosses with a stiff arm while delivering a perfect pass. I just about any of the interceptions to five interceptions that Jared golf through last night and still managed to win like yeah, there was some really really incredible plays. I think one of my favorite plays though, after the game was Micah Parsons throwing his head coach

under the bus, it was pretty great. Tell us more about what's happening in Dallas because Micah Parsons makes a difference, but not, you know, I mean, they were good in the first half defensively and they were able to slow Philadelphia simply because Micah Parsons was there. But I could see why Micah Parsons would look around at his team and feel like oh no

one here is as excellent at what they do as I am at what I do. Yeah but he hasn't been excellent all this season because he hasn't been playing much and I am never one to tell someone like you can only do one thing at a time but you're going to get some backlash when it feels like you are a much more active podcast host and a pretty good podcast host than you are a football player. And when you show up and dominate and then after the game you suggest that the coach is kind of lazy, like that's a hard thing for people to listen to.

And whether it's true or false, that tends to not be the case for most teams. It's like, if you have a criticism of somebody on your team, you handle it in house and it feels like the wheels have come completely off in Dallas and Jerry Jones seems to be moving further and further from reality if he believes that this team is going to be competitive and they only got to do a couple things to get things right.

The tension down there is going to be hot, like the spotlight's gonna be hot, but the talent is not there to support the amount of attention that they're gonna get, which only makes it boil more and more, because they get so many questions. They're a national story, and they stink. Sunlight in your eyes?

Oh gosh, yeah. Sounds like you were singing a song. Everyone can be blamed. That would be a beautiful start to a song. You are the sunlight in my eyes. Sunlight in your eyes, okay, let's think of a way to sing that song, where I will produce a song about the Dallas Cowboys, sunlight in my eyes. Sunlight in your eyes. Okay, let's think of a way to sing that song where I will produce a song about the Dallas Cowboys, Sunlight in my Eyes.

Mike Ryan, we can finally get to some college football with Dominique. Surely, you will have some questions that will satisfy Lucy because she yearns for college football talk. Dominique, you closely follow your Maryland Terrapins and they had Oregon this week and I'm not exactly sure if in college football, there is a complete great team that you'll find consensus on that says this team is dominant. But I think most people might venture to say Oregon,

what were your thoughts on them? We had them on the ropes, Mike. We had them right where we wanted them. We were only down 14 in the fourth quarter. Everything was going according to plan. It was a tough loss. I mean, I think you're right. This team, this is, and maybe this is the future of college football and that, uh,

there it's not going to be any great teams that pull away because of the way that NIL has changed things in the transfer portal. I'm sure you know this better than I, um, I like it so far. I'm not sure how much I'm going to like it into the future because I do love those marquee matchups where I know, I know that everything's going to come down to this particular Saturday, but it feels a lot more like the NFL, which I really enjoy. So I think it's encouraging.

It sucks though, because the stories are going away to some degree. Like the Georgia being dominant was always a story. Alabama being dominant was always a story and that felt good and was exciting. And this year, like I was on the Miami bandwagon. Like I have relationships with people in Miami. I was enjoying it.

Cam was fun. That was awesome. And then it reminds me of like the college basketball tournament where everyone gets excited for upsets. And then they realize at the end of the season in the final four that they're upset that the teams that are left are some terrible

like mid-market teams, names we don't know, brands that we don't like, it's just, it's disappointing. So it was fun, the upset was fun, but I'm gonna miss Miami. I guess they'll still make the playoff because they'll dominate the ACC. Do you guys have not flawed college football teams? Is there such a

thing like is Ohio State and Oregon the closest thing that we're coming to not flawed college football teams allegedly? Indiana? Are they not flawed? Impossible. Yeah I mean they're I actually kind of like it a little bit better this way because it did get kind of old. I thought Georgia was gonna 3P you know last year and that didn't happen. It's fun knowing that. Now they're not even likely, percentage-wise, to make the playoffs, correct?

No, I mean, they would have to win this weekend against Tennessee. I kind of like it because the SEC every year has always been Alabama at the top, Georgia at the top, and now you have Vanderbilt upset, and Ole Miss is competitive. I kind of like that we're in sort of a different age where we're not seeing the same four teams every year. And I think with the playoff expanding, I don't think we're running the risk as much of teams we don't know and don't really like that much, you know, making the playoff

with the sense that, yeah, you will have a Boise State in there. You do get a Big 12 and an ACC automatic bid and those conferences aren't as strong, but you're still going to have Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, Alabama in the playoff. So I think it still gives the chance for the teams that are better than the rest to rise above the top. It's just the only thing that I'm concerned with that is everyone is playing a lot more games, so there's a lot more opportunity to mess up.

Dom, I'm assuming that they will lose at some point here, but I have been surprised to see, and it's one of the great surprises of the season to me, that Colorado would quietly start hitting Dion Sanders' $100,000 bonuses on seven wins, that he's made $400,000 because quietly, the part that I'm stunned by is quietly, Deion Sanders' team is a lot better than any of us expected it to be.

What's happening there? Yeah, I don't know. I think your answer is the fact that we're not paying attention to it is shocking. And I will go back to one thing that Lucy was saying, is I think she's right. Generally, there have been more, it's just me being old and having a hard time

accepting the new way that college football works, because there have been more like game's just me being old and having a hard time accepting the new way that college football works because there have been more like game of the century type weekends and more games that I felt like I had to watch this season than I remember in previous seasons. So that's been fun and that's going to keep going on. But I have no answer for the Deion Sanders thing. The part that's surprising is that it's quiet. I'm not surprised that they're doing pretty well. They're not in one of those top tier situations where they're going to get a bunch of attention, but we should be there. I do have one complaint though. Like no one stopped down to celebrate how I did the Dan move

where you sneak a double entendre in there and then everyone thinks that you're a fancy writer because you're like, Hey, the upsets happen. And then at the end you are upset. That was such a Levitonian move. That was not worth it. No one said, ooh, you're a writer. Yeah, well done. And he was impressed by himself. It was off the top of the dome. Like that was, I'm in the middle, no? The Golden Dome.

I think the thing with Colorado is that, like I don't wanna say, but like sort of the novelty of the situation has kind of worn off because it was so overdone last year where all we were talking about was Colorado and although that team is a lot better and like you said it's so much better than we expected we've kind of seen all Dion sort of just like his big personality in the antics with this team that it's not as fun. Obviously this weekend had kind of a weird moment with the tortilla that I don't feel

like it's safe for me to talk about. But Colorado really controls their own destiny right now, which is kind of crazy. The Big 12 is wide open. Iowa State lost for the second week in a row. BYU is still undefeated, but Colorado wins out and they make it to the playoff. But it's crazy because their viewership numbers are down like 50%. No one is watching Colorado and no one's talking about Colorado. I'll say, Lucy, it's Dan's fault.

It's Dan's fault. He was going way too hard for Colorado last year when they were not as good. They've been better this year, but also the Big 12 as a conference is just much more even than the Pac-12 was last year. So even though they don't have much of a run game, their defense can't really stop the run very well.

They're in it because the Big 12 is just a very strange conference this year. Their schedule coming up is tricky. They're gonna have to the Big 12 is just a very strange conference this year. Their schedule coming up is tricky. They're going to have to go on the road at Kansas, which is going to be tough for them. But this is Dan's fault because we took up all the oxygen with Colorado Talk last year and now no one has the appetite for it. So this is just because of the schedule. That's convenient that it happens when he starts winning. That's awfully convenient that now no one has the appetite for it.

He started winning last year. they were 3-0, that's why it started, but their team wasn't as good as it is this year, so then when they went on their losing streak, we were all like, what the hell? You guys stole this, this team was great. And they were fun to watch, I'm not denying that, but they were winning last year, that's why it all started. I mean, a year ago, when they started off 3-0,

they became the most hyped team in all of sports Not just college football and and they ended up whatever they did for wins for wins after a 3-0 start Huge disappointment and now they're pretty good, but they're still ranked 18 Just wait just stop okay He inherited the worst program in the in the country and Mario Cristobal and Deion Sanders have done good jobs in their second and third year respectively. I'm not gonna move the goalposts on what those investments were.

Those have cashed, both of those have cashed. Like it may not be enduring, they may change, but don't move the goalposts on Deion. He's lost, he's got a team that's a lot better than any of us thought it was and he changed the expectations by beating TCU at the beginning of last season. Like, he's made them good,

and you can question how good if you want, but I'm not gonna question how good his quarterback is, and I'm not gonna question how good his wide receiver is, because both of them have been best players in the country type of good. All right, I'll say it. Travis Hunter shoved a tortilla down his pants during the middle of the game.

What? It was very odd. It was very weird. I believe he signed it after. Yeah. Weird. Why is this seem so, I mean, since I have access to Lucy and Jess right now, I would like to know, like,

why is it that they're much better? And a question for Greg also, is that a new shirt? It is a new shirt. Thank you. Oh yeah, that's nice. It's from my press box collection. I think Cheddar signed the tortilla. The one that was in Travis's pants?

I don't know about that. There was a hole in it. Okay. There's a lot of stuff going on. There was a hole in the middle of it. What is that signed tortilla worth? Whatever someone will pay for it. Well I assume, I don't know what the kids like with fame, but Travis Hunter seems to be very popular and Colorado seems still

seems to be very popular with young people because they're at least in part a little bit different than everything that surrounds them. It's rare that Shador Sanders spends some time lecturing us as a college quarterback. It's not something I'm used to hearing the college quarterbacks do because he's got a strength of voice that comes from growing up and watching what his father does in terms of strength so like he's one of the rare athletes I see leaning into whatever it is your buzzsaw of criticism might be. Are autographs still a thing? It's a good question. Do people still want autographs? No we do selfies now. Yeah selfies yeah. I mean it's a weird thing to

start with that it ever became a thing before, like if you actually think about it, it's like who was the first person? I guess it's like pre-photograph, it's like you want to prove that you met someone, is that why we have autographs? It's like I want you to sign this, notarize it. It is weird, you're right. Autographs are strange and they have been replaced almost entirely by the selfie because then you can have indeed the proof that doesn't require a notary on whether or

not you met that person or not. The signature doesn't even exist anymore does it? Like like when do you ask to sign your name? Nobody writes checks. I mean the the signature is dead. I've signed 500 coloring books in the last week. Put it on the poll at LeBittard Show. Is the signature dead? LebatardAF.com 500 coloring book signed by everybody that is here. Dominique, good seeing you. Always good seeing you, sir. Thank you for the time.

No, it was great. Thanks for having me also. Greg, nice shirt. Thank you. I know what that means tonight. Baby. Baby. Is that what it means?

I love a compliment because Dominique's sartorial eloquence is second to none Sartorial eloquence, that's right Sartorial eloquence that dress nice, right? Don't go together. They do yeah elegance. You mean no. No, I mean eloquence Look it up. Yeah, why are you trying to dress like a good off the top of the dome? Why are you trying to dump him down? I dress like I talk good. Off the top of the dome too.

Greg, he does it to me all the time, don't worry. Well, what is that? That's not correct. Sartorial eloquence is not correct. It's not a correct thing to say. Look up the word eloquence. Eloquence is to be grand in speech. It's to be, it's in speech.

Hey, my clothes talk. That's it, my clothes look so nice that they say something to you. This damn hoodie is telling a story. Thank you, Greg. That's it. My clothes look so nice that they say something to you. This damn hoodie is telling a story. Thank you, Greg. Damn right it is. The story is he's rich. That's the story.

Thank you guys. That is the story it tells. Thank you, Dominique. Good talking to you. Hey, podcasters. It's Mike Ryan. And let me tell you something. The NBA's got a lot going for it right now.

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This is the Don Lebathor show with the Stugats! Finally we can get to what it is that Lucy wanted to talk about and it's long overdue because this game that Miami played against Georgia Tech is Miami losing exactly the way that you imagined they would lose, out coached in a way that was bothersome when Georgia Tech doesn't actually have a quarterback. They're telling you which play they're gonna run by who it is they're playing and they still run the ball they convert easily on third and eighteens they

finished the game by running a sweep because you can't stop anybody and the thing that they did that no one's been able to do they took the team that is best in the country on third down offensively and totally neutralize them on third and fourth down ended Cam Ward's Heisman run over because he's not gonna have the signature wins that he needs he might get to the ceremony but he's not gonna

be able to beat the teams you're saying no Lucy. No I think Kim Ward still has a very good chance of winning the Heisman. I think you have to put Travis Hunter and Ash and Gentie in the conversation as well but like Ash and Gentie plays for Boise State and Travis Hunter doesn't really seem to have the juice that he had beginning the season I would still say that Cam Ward is the Heisman. What are the signature wins that he's not gonna be able to have a Signature win Georgia Tech was never gonna be a signature win the California win No, he needed to go on beaten I felt like he needed to go onen during the regular season and have some moments. I mean, if that's the case, then just potentially give it to Dylan Gabriel. I think he's got an ACC championship opportunity that would punch Miami's ticket to the CFP

were he to win it. And I think ballots are due two days after that. So I think that that's probably going to be the barometer that most people great them against. He can't afford another loss. There goes Miami's margin for error. But I think he's at plus 800 right now. These things, they ebb and flow.

I think three weeks from now, he'll be right back in the conversation. Syracuse and Wake Forest aren't gonna give you the ability to have whatever it is that's needed. He's gonna put up a couple of four touchdown games. Again. All right, so that's good. No, he's gonna be, he's gonna be statistic, no.

Statistically, he's going to have the best stats, but I remember how stubborn everyone last year was on Jaden Daniels. They ended up being in a position at the end of last year where they couldn't ignore the stats because he was doing 10 yards at a time, but he had a number of games where you were remembering him be overwhelming against, like you just-

Against like middling SEC people because like sometimes he would get hurt against it. Like his marquee Heisman moments never really came on the most watched games last year. And he ended up winning that Heisman pretty easily. I think there's so much golf left in terms of the Heisman that yeah, you want to be hyperbolic and react. That was also my initial reaction was like, he probably lost to Heisman that, yeah, you want to be hyperbolic and react. That was also my initial reaction,

it was like, you probably lost to Heisman, and then I realized, no, this is pretty much where exactly a Heisman winner may want to be at this point in the season. Who would you pick to win the Heisman right now, Dan? No, it's a good question, because I think that I'd put at the top of anything that we're doing, I'm putting at the top the undefeated team

that Oregon is at the top, and I'm gonna reward the winning quarterback for winning is what I'm gonna do. That's not what that award is though. I think anybody that watches college football this year understands kind of what Dylan Gabriel is he'll execute that offense but in terms of individual spectacularness and most outstanding player conversations. I'm arguing that in the absence of Heisman moments in big games, the way that the voters traditionally do this, when you say, Lucy, you tell me I've had this wrong, but any Miami quarterback that's ever won has only won because at the end of the season, they're the winner.

It's not because they're the statistically best. I would just say that if you look at what Cam Ward means to this Miami team, and not just in the sense that like he's kind of the band aid that has fixed all of their problems for this season. Like he has far and away been one of the best players in college football if not the best this season. Where if you're going sort of with the okay I'm gonna choose the quarterback from the undefeated team I do think Dylan Gabriel is very good should be in the conversation. He's broken like a million and ten college football records because he's been playing so long. But like with the exception of that like that Ohio State game is probably his moment. But outside of

that there's not like one singular thing that I'm like yes Dylan Gabriel earned the high school. But in the absence of the singular thing they tend to go to who's the best player on the team that went unbeaten. That tends to be the thing that happens. Yeah, but that didn't happen last year, you know? I would just say that, like, I don't know if you're giving Cam Ward enough credit, because not only, I know that Miami didn't lose. It's not giving voters credit.

It has nothing to do with Cam Ward. My vote will go to him. It has nothing to do with Cam Ward. Well, then yeah, you voted for him. You're helping him out. Good job, Dan. You're lamenting a lack of moments. Who's had the Heisman

moments? Jalen Milrow had a Heisman moment against Georgia. Eshton Gentey performed admirably against Oregon on... I'm saying in the absence of Heisman moments I have seen traditionally this award goes to whoever it is is the best player on the team that wins the most. Virginia Tech and Cal, those are Heisman moments. Those are moments in which everybody that would be voting and interested in this race are watching and are made well aware of. I also feel like there's just more conversation happening about Cam Ward I think if you look at sort of the the national Heisman conversation we're talking about Cam

Ward more than we're talking about Dylan Gabriel which I think makes a difference it doesn't help organ that they're playing a lot of their games really late at night. They're playing it on Peacock. They're playing it in places where people can't see. And Cam Ward and this Miami team are, it's really in the national conversation, which I genuinely think helps his case quite a bit. I think we're talking about Cam Ward because he took a seven and six team that lost to Rutgers in a pissant bowl game and he almost single-handedly has made them what they are. Signature moments, three leading three second half ten-point deficit comebacks all for victories before the California game

that happened late at night and I will just tell you that while it is that Georgia Tech was good on third and fourth down that's the worst game I've seen him play this year. His throws were often away that made normally aren't and it's the game everyone was watching because now you were watching miami to lose and again i'm not making the argument against cam ward for myself as a voter i've just got a history with these people who do the voting on this thing they're not naturally inclined to vote for the Miami guy when I start doing the national stuff. And these statistics are great, but in a big spot where winning is the measurement at that

position, they lost one and they were a double digit favorite. And in that game, he was not good on third and fourth down. And they're the best team in the country on third and fourth down. They used to be, yeah. You guys do not respect Ashton Gentry enough. That's all I have to say about that I would just hold to me. I would just ultimately dare the voters to vote for a running back from Boise Yeah, he he's having an insane statistic. He's averaging like eight yards per carry against stock boxes He's incredible. He is so good and they he ran all over Oregon by the the way, the team that everyone says is, okay,

they're probably the best team, they're probably the most dominant team. He had like three touchdowns and 200 yards against them earlier this season, and they lost by three points. He's unreal. But I think if the voters face themselves with a Cam Ward that is leading a conference champion CFP appearing, Miami Hurricanes brand that finally wins an ACC championship, the end of the season, I think that's just too much that the position's too valued. I would essentially dare the voters to vote for a Boise Say Running Band. Season's Greetings, podcast audience. It's Mike Ryan.

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