The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Should Kendrick Play 'Not Like Us'?

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

Willow has made her her way into the studio and her presence absolutely terrifies David Samson. Kendrick Lamar is playing the Super Bowl Halftime Show this weekend and we discuss something none of us had considered before: what would the consequences be if he plays 'Not Like Us' in front of an audience as big as the Super Bowl's? How could this impact the defamation suit that Drake currently has against Kendrick? Is the juice worth the squeeze? Plus, Canelo Alvarez and Jake Paul announced a mega fight that was almost immediately called off. Can the Paul brothers be considered marketing geniuses? Is our bar for being considered a genius too low? Also, Dan Patrick's crew is making jokes about Dan and we're not happy about it, Pablo Picasso drove a car, Jess was on the Maury show, and details about the meeting between Jimmy Butler and Pat Riley have emerged. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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She doesn't. Okay. She never has. I was very worried about her. Her? Her. That's why she said she. Very worried.

Are you guys excited for the halftime show? So Carl, who just got Willow out of here to save David, has a take about the halftime show, which I hadn't really contemplated. I really thought you were just steamrolling past Jess, like, nah, we're gonna talk about something else. No, we're teammates. Oh, okay.

We're running a weave. How's the ball back and forth? You see that, David? It's a thing of Oh, okay. We're running a weave. We're having the ball back and forth. You see that, David? It's a thing of beauty, Chris. The take Carl had though, Jess. Okay, so Kendrick Lamar's doing the halftime show and I walked in this morning and I was like, oh, well what if they, this whole thing with Drake was kayfabe

and Drake came out and they did Poetic Justice together and it was like this whole big like fake beef so that they could have this crazy Super Bowl halftime show. And everyone was like, oh, that's so, that would be so funny. And then Carl was like, he can't play not like us because he'll get sued because of this defamation lawsuit. Like the damages will be even higher if he plays it during the Super Bowl.

So his take was he can't play that song. Which I look at Carl is, I trust Carl on music. He has a depth of knowledge that is- That implies you don't entr trust him in other areas. Well, I- He doesn't trust him on baking, cooking. Yeah. Directions. We all know that.

Directions. Directions. Just, you trust him to get you from point A to point B. Oh, I was just making up random things, but yeah, directions. I had not considered that Kendrick might not play the song that everybody is waiting for him to play. That he won a Grammy over, right?

That he won a Grammy. It would have come out though, because they've been rehearsing all week. Don't we assume there would have been a leak? That would be big news if he were playing that song. Or if he weren't playing that song. Is he clear from the legalities if he gets up to that lyric and then like stops

and lets the audience say the inappropriate stuff that Drake is worried about. That's the other thing, they never actually play an entire song in any of these things. It's a medley, right? But you know, Roy brought that up, but you know he wants to, even if it's a part of that song, he wants it to be the part that gets that line.

But in that theory, wouldn't he be able to sue him or whatever, have grounds if he plays that anywhere, any concert with people at and cameras there? Why the Super Bowl is the one, obviously more eyes on it, but isn't that the same concept of just performing it at a concert? Like the concert, didn't he do it like 12 times in a row at a concert a few months back?

I think the theory though is that the Super Bowl is more watched than any of those things. And so the damages if he is found guilty, would then increase. And the NFL controls it. There's a set list. It's all totally rehearsed. The move in, the move out.

But doesn't the NFL want to be like viral? Like isn't there part of the NFL? Like we want this moment. You want everyone to sing about the. No, I know, but. But also Chris doesn't care about the lawsuit. I'm agreeing with you Chris. But also Chris, I like the idea of the NFL saying,

damn, no one's talking about the Super Bowl. How do we give it some spice? How do we go viral? But the idea of the NFL looking at Kendrick and be like, we got you, we'll cover it. Can you imagine the gigantic L that Drake's going to take when thousands of people in that stadium and everybody at home just say is A minor.

Does anyone know what are we talking about? Like'm much will this cost Kendrick if he does it when there's a lawsuit and he loses the lawsuit I want to ask David because your lawyer ballpark like what number are we looking at here is is this a if you were advising Kendrick Lamar would you say hey this opens us up to immense liability time to throw away all journalistic credibility and get reckless. Here is something we like to call reckless speculation. You're good. What is, what am I, I'm not doing anything journalistic.

Just answer the question. It's inappropriate. I'm tired of you. It's bullshit that you've been in that chair the whole week. Why couldn't Ameen sit in the chair? Why couldn't I sit in the chair? You're great in the chair, Ameen. Thank you.

I just find it hard to imagine that it's just, and now he's pressing buttons, putting people, whatever. He's asking questions. You're not, I could've started with that button with his old Kevin Love stuff. That was- Why guys? Why, why, why, why, why?

Is that you again? You're not good. So how would you advise Kendrick Lamar? The juice is not nearly worth the squeeze. What is here's how the damage is all lawyers say about everything. So let's start with that. Like the lawyers are always going to be like, don't do something because a lawyer's job is to protect a client from doing something that would put the client

in a position of weakness, either financially or criminally or civilly with specific performance. You don't want to have your client do that. There's no way that Kendrick Lamar has anyone around him suggesting he does anything, but there's no formula. Hey, there's 100 million people watching the Super Bowl on TV around the world. There's 60,000 in the Caesar Dome.

Therefore, it's one dollar per person. That sort of math is not how they do it. So The Washington Post did an analysis of this. In parallel, just discovered this now, but it's helpful journalistically speaking to avoid recklessness. They interviewed a guy named Ken White, a First Amendment lawyer and criminal defense attorney.

Drake, of course, has already accused Universal Music Group of Defamation for promoting the song in question. White told the Post this, quote, "'I would probably tell them that there's a high risk "'you're gonna get sued. "'So don't do it unless you're ready "'for a big expensive litigation.

"'Maybe that's just kind of the cost of doing business.'" So there's nothing in there about the amount because there's more people. There's also nothing in there, I'm sorry, because there's also nothing in there in terms of whether he can say the words or just play the beat, right? Just playing the beat at certain points

throughout the performance, I think, is something that gets people connected and they obviously light up for it. The other thing that I think about this is- That would piss off everyone. Well, maybe, it could piss them off, but it could be the only happy medium there. Let the audience sing.

But if I can get to the lyric and then let the crowd do it. It's the only case of me wanting to hear the audience happy medium there. Let the audience sing. But if I get to the lyric and then let the crowd do it. It's the only case of me wanting to hear the audience sing a song I think I normally hate when going to a concert. No, man. That's a karaoke move. See, that's a karaoke move. You sing a song that has a part that everybody knows and loves.

And then you put the mic in the air. Then you put the mic out like that. Go ahead and sing it for me. And then you look at the crowd and you realize, I control you all. But the other part about this is if you're Kendrick, and this is sort of a career celebration for you, right? How much of this time do you really wanna spend

stomping on Drake's grave? Because that would assume that that is what made you to this level. Kendrick has been building up to this, and then this just happens to be part of his story. The last year has been him just doing this, it's pretty important, I would say. Yeah, I would say that too, but if I'm Kendrick,

I want people to respect everything I've done before this and not think I'm just a diss track guy. Didn't he win a bunch of Grammys last week? He did, he won record of the year. I hear you Izzy, but I think if you play, it's only one of probably 10 songs he's going to play parts of during it, but everyone's gonna be mad if he doesn't play it.

Everyone. Yeah. They're gonna just say, oh, you were scared. Not everyone But everyone's gonna be mad if he doesn't play it. Everyone. Yeah. They're gonna just say, oh, you were scared. Not everyone, Drake's gonna be fine. Is there a market for this? Because I would say- Everyone minus Drake. I would say he will not play it.

I think he does. I'm sure there is a market for this. I guarantee, I'm gonna go out there, I think he does it. I don't know if he says the lyric. We will hear a portion of that song. To Izzy's point, they're going to play the instrumental, for sure, because there's nothing in the instrumental that, right, if- Do you know that though?

Because it might just be, Izzy might be right, it might just be if any portion of that song plays. Isn't that the instrumental? A choir, get a choir to come out and sing it. You know what, I hadn't considered just the escalating indignity of this if this becomes a Supreme Court case. Oh no.

Clarence Thomas is gonna decide on this shit? If Drake... His wife will. If the people who control Clarence Thomas, yeah, get to decide this case. Look, I, man, if they teach this class in law school... First Amendment? Constitutionality?

If they teach Drake's 2024, 2025 as a case study in law school. First Amendment? Constitutionality? If they teach Drake's 2024, 2025 as a case study in law school. Have you seen what he's doing now or where he's been? He's on the other side of the planet, first of all. Can't be any farther away from Super Bowl. He's trying to hide and fail. Okay, so the poetic justice collaboration on stage probably not happening,

because that was my favorite conspiracy theory that I thought of this morning. He walked out on stage with a vest with bullet holes in it and smoke coming out of it as if to say, hey, they shot me but I'm still alive. It's like, it's frankly corny. He's mad corny for that. Oh, that's a callback.

So good. So good. Southern would have made it better with a drawl. Southern, not prospector. Why does it mean waving a piece of paper in front of us? Well, I'm picking up the topic sheet. Oh, okay. And I'm feeling this thing slowly meet its mortal demise.

And I'm like, well, let's see what else is on the sheet. It was circling a drain that you cannot possibly set your feet atop. We're not on topics? We're not out of topics. This topic is out of gas though. Oh. That's why it was just-

That was transition time. That was a call back to me not liking drain. This topic is out of gas though. Oh. That's why it was just a transition time. That was a call back to me not liking drain. This is all just a bunch of inside jokes. You get that Dave? Fritzie was right. Yep. This is what Friday shows are for. We get to call back from earlier in the week.

It's a reward to the listeners who have stuck with us throughout the week, right? We are operating at levels that are clearly deeper than the average listener. Kendrick levels. I was very focused on Jake Paul all night. This Canelo thing? Oh, that's a big thing.

It's a big thing that Canelo, they had a deal and then Canelo changed his mind. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I missed this. This is major news. They announced a Netflix fight. And then Canelo said, I got a better idea. I'm not gonna fight Paul.

I'm instead gonna do a four series fight with an actual fighter, which left Paul with nobody. Wait, so how did this happen? Boy, I hope I didn't miss this. This is my moment to bring something to the group. Signs four fight deal with Riyadh season. Nixon, Jake, Paul, Bout. This is according to MMA Junkie.

After it was announced that it was a brilliant Netflix move, more people than Tyson Paul would have been Alvarez Paul. And because we would have watched Paul get his ass kicked, they were gonna do it at 200 pounds, and it was gonna be huge money, huge everything. Oh wow, here it is. And then he changed his mind, overnight.

So it was supposed to be May 3rd in Las Vegas, that was the imminent fight between, super fight between Jake Paul and Canelo Alvarez. But in a stunning development, according to this is mycopinjuridiusbin.com, Alvarez changed course and instead completed a four fight deal, yeah, with Riyadh Season, of course, going now to Saudi Arabia.

What a, what a, what a mad lib. What a perfect 2025 mad lib. I'm looking at the tweet that announced it from Turki Alar Shih, who is the chairman of Saudi. I'm glad you're here to pronounce these names correctly. He's the chairman of Saudi Arabia's General Entertainment Authority. He announced it with this Twitter post.

It's a picture of a lion, and it says, don't mess with the lion, lion emoji. Four fights for Canelo with Riyadh season. The deal is done, boxing glove emoji. A lion, lion emoji, doesn't sleep over the opinion of a sheep. Sheep emoji. Fear the lion, lion emoji. Not the jungle.

And then I think it is the emoji of a person going like this, doing the X sign in front of them. And it always blows my mind when grown people, not teenagers, but people in their 30s, 40s, and older, sprinkle an inordinate amount of emojis throughout their posts. Yeah, it's the Nancy Pelosi Wakanda Forever thing. It absolutely is.

So I'm gonna get back. So you're Jake Paul. Ruth Konda Forever. Think about what you've done in business. You are at the height, you announced something with Logan, a reality show, you are fighting on all cylinders, operating on all cylinders, you get to announce this thing,

which is gonna be the biggest thing ever, and in one hour, it all got usurped. And now what's he gonna do? He's totally screwed, I mean. Yeah, he absolutely is. He's gonna have to fight his brother for real? No, he's not gonna fight his brother. He's gotta do something.

He's gotta have a fight that follows up Tyson. He had two things announced. First, against his brother. Turned out to be wrong. It's just a commercial for a reality show. Not a fight. There's gotta be some 40 year old MMA fighter out there. Or, I don't know.

It's gonna be someone who is, that's the thing about the Canelo fight. It's like, that guy's in his prime, right? That's not the Jake Paul formula. The formula is- He wants it to be. He wants to be a genuine winning fighter. Does he?

If you're trying to fight Canelo, I mean he clearly does, no? I thought that was the whole purpose of the Canelo fight. Is it possible that we're just gonna say this thing and that it's not actually gonna happen? Like, maybe this Canelo thing? A triple switcheroo. Yeah.

Oh, that it's gonna go back to Canelo, Paul? No. Where Jake pitches to Canelo, all right, we're never actually gonna fight. Yeah. Let's announce we're gonna fight. Yeah. And then you cancel it,

just to get me in the news, just so people think you would've fought me. I'm real, I'm real, I try to fight Canelo. I try to fight, I had Canelo, here's some money, we don't have to fight. Don't you need more than a day for that? The Paul, honestly, the Pauls are so good at marketing that I don't wanna put that past them

of doing something like that. Where Canelo says, look Jake, I'm never fighting you. But just for pub, I might tease it a little bit. I'll give you one day. One day. It is funny that we're at a point where rank total incompetence can plausibly be a really smart chess move.

But Paul's proven to be brilliant in marketing, by the way, on a side note. But when you can't distinguish between intent and incompetence, it's hard to diagnose. The sweet spot, yeah! You just described the show perfectly. Ha ha ha, there it is.

There was an inflection point here though, right? Canelo to Amin's point, 34 years old, raining tight, I mean, all boxing belts are on some level, also fake made up things that are corrupted, but holds the WBA, WBC, IBF, Super Middleweight titles. Legitimate superstar, and there was a moment here when I heard that fight, the Jake Paul original announcement, like boxing is, this is, again,

everybody's been trying to kill boxing for decades. This felt like the latest and maybe one of the biggest indignities because Canelo was turning his back on actual fights he could have made money on. And here, of course, David, is Saudi Arabia saving boxing. So the only thing I thought of when I saw it is that he had a deal with Paul

that he was gonna make X dollars. And Saudi Arabia came in and said, listen Canelo. Guess what we have. We have X plus Y. We have whatever you need because we have a budget. We don't have a budget. Give me four fights and Canelo, it was a deal that got done in a day, which is hard to do deals like that. So Canelo had a call. What I was dreaming about last night

is the call from Canelo to Paul because Paul didn't discover it on Twitter. Right. There was a deal that obviously had an escape clause and he escaped in a day. Unless that was the deal all along. I mean now we're talking conspiracy. Yeah, well I mean. We'll see what Jake Paul's next gonna say. The reason why it raises above conspiracy in this sense,

that we know that this individual's not above these kind of things. I don't think he's a marketing genius. I just think he does tactics that most people would say, okay, that's kind of corny. We're not going to do that. We're going to, we're going to do this for real. And he's not afraid to pull these kind of quote unquote stunts for the publicity. It's, I don't know, like, oh, no one ever thought about announcing it and then not actually doing it. I mean, it's not that brilliant of a move.

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Don LeBattard. Govick the Frog here, live from Middle Rock Media Studios here in Miami. Stugatz. The Germans are advancing on France in World War II. This is the Don Lebatard show with the Stugatz. I don't think he's a marketing genius either. I do think he exists in a time that reflects his natural superpower more than any other

time that sports has existed in, which is just getting attention for anything is monetizable. Is that an insult to your geniusness that you don't want to call him a genius because you don't want to be associated with someone like Jake Paul? Does it offend you because people view you? I just think we need to have a higher bar for what genius is. Boy, oh boy. I was gonna say, you can't answer that question

and look good there, Pablo. If you're in the business world, what Jake Paul's done and you don't respect it. Both Paul brothers. Like I'm with you, I'm with David. Like in terms of marketing, it's undeniable. I mean, my view has always been like on the Kardashians. It's like they are playing the game

better than anybody else's. The question of does that make them geniuses, I think is a fair debate. I don't mean that they can go on Celebrity Jeopardy or Family Feud. I'm not, or they can go to Harvard. I'm not talking about equals MC squared. Well Kim did.

Apparently she got some sort of law degree there, right? So did Pablo. A business school degree, right, Pablo? She went to one of those business school courses that I think maybe Kevin Love went to. One of the great memes of all time. Yes. Posing in front of it. Use it anytime I don't buy something.

I think you can be a genius without an Ivy League education. No, absolutely. No one disputes that. But I think- You're a genius strawman builder. So we had a badger. The the the we live in a time where the economy rewards attention. Right. Chris Hayes actually wrote a book about this. Yes. He was on PTFO talking about it.

Nice. How about that? So and the idea is that David just the ability to grab people's attention, that is the most rewarded thing right now. You don't even have to hold the attention. It's the most important and scarcest resource at this point. Because everyone's attention is so fractured. We're being bombarded by messaging from our devices, from everything around us, right?

Because of that, our attention spans are shorter than they've ever been. So the idea that I can get your attention, even for a brief moment, there is a value to that. Now, is there genius in being shameless? I don't know. Like, if we talk about the Kardashians, the startup capital, if you will,

of why they became rich and famous was because they decided, okay, we will reveal things about ourselves that most people would say, ah, I'm above that. Is that genius or is that just, you know, I don't care. Dan LeBittard, for four hours a day, five days a week, gets a huge loyal audience to listen in a fractured world, to listen to even when he's not here,

to listen to what we're doing, and you're not gonna call Dan a genius for the ability to put together in his mind a show that grabs people's attention I it's genius. I'm glad you brought up Dan because we wanted to play a clip of Dan Patrick talking about Dan from their one-on-one conversation earlier this week in New Orleans. It was a deep dive and I I just kept he wanted to talk about, you know, my personal journey and my health and I just was like, nah, I don't think so. I don't want to do that.

Yeah, Seaton. There was a point where Dan Levitard asked Dan Patrick, what was love like in the house? And I was like, oh man, we might have to go see Dan. I was yelling up, there's a trade, there's been a trade. Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler. I thought that I was there with Sally Jessie Raphael or Dr. Phil.

So Dan Patrick did not want introspection. Kids today don't appreciate Sally Jessie Raphael. And those glasses. Those red glasses. I would like to add, they're not allowed to make those jokes. Okay, Raphael. And those glasses. Those glasses. I would like to add, they're not allowed to make those jokes. OK, only we can make those jokes. Thank you. Yeah, that's our Dan.

And the only person who bullies him. You make fun of your Dan. That's our Dan. That's our Dan. That's our Dan. That, David? Yes. That's not our Dan?

No? I'm chantless. OK. There she is. Yes. You're not, you're not. That's not our dad? No? I'm chantless. Okay. I want, on the, there's, There she is. Is she alive? Yes. Thank you.

Is that a find? The era, the era, the era of 90s daytime talk shows. Right, I wanna talk about this, right? Because I've had this topic for like weeks now, and it just never finds a way. Now, finally we found a way that on ramp you're welcome i was watching a clip online jerry springer

and the topic of the show is my boyfriend is cheating on me on snapchat and it blew my mind that jerry springer show and snapchat existed in the same time as a good found out there was a someone who was alive during the civil war. It's like when I found out there was a, someone who was alive during the Civil War who also saw Neil Armstrong walk on the moon. It just, it blows my mind when these two things occupy the same space, and I'm like, there's no way.

So I was wondering, do you guys have other examples of that where two things from completely different eras actually coincided in the same era? I was shocked to learn that Pablo Picasso died in the 70s. I thought he was from like the 1300s. That's insane. I have, you could have told me any era in history,

I would have said, yep, Pablo was probably there. Pablo Picasso drove a car. Yeah, there's like photographs of him. This blows my mind that you guys thought he was like from the Italian Renaissance or something. I thought he was like from the AB, the BC area. The BC area. The AB. But like you've seen what. The BC area. The AB.

But like you've seen what his art looks like. The AB. Please do not ask him to describe cubism, Jessica. But like. Let me get my AB joke out that Jeremy is doing the, oh god damn it. Oh man, window closed. Windows, just small windows.

I'm not alone on this. Some comedian did a whole bit on this. This is a shocking thing that Picasso died in the 70s. I was gonna ask, by the way, why is Chris Cody equipped with a Pablo Picasso take and then I just heard the explanation. Yeah. Is that the same game? Yes. One of my favorite details by the way I mean on the 90s era the golden era of daytime talk show right because keep in mind Sally Jesse Raphael yes Jerry Springer yes Maury Povich. Yes. Oprah Winfrey.

Yes. Keep going. Keep going. Phil Donahue. I actually don't know Sally Jesse Raphael. What show did she host? I recognized the lady you put up there, but I did not know her by name.

What? What about Ricky Lake? Ricky Lake. What about Jenny Jones? Jenny Jones. Oh, Jenny Jones. Ricky Lake I remember for sure. You don't remember Sally Jesse Raphael?

She hosted the Sally Jesse Raphael show. When we put up the picture, I recognized her by looking at her, but I would not didn't know her name I recognize the cursive font that spells out Sally like that's how much it's burned into my brain now Here's the crazy part were these people geniuses or did they just capitalize on the the moment? More than I do you capitalize on moment TV shows. Montell Williams? Mm-hmm. Richard Bay.

Richard Bay. That was a late night. A late night, anyway. You're saying they had TV shows. You just gave Dan all this credit. Like, he's this genius. It's like, he has a podcast. I'm not saying.

No, no, no, okay. I'm just saying, what's the difference between Dan and what Jerry Springer did? 20 years. How long did Jerry Springer go? Take the under. No. What are you talking about? Jerry Springer go? Take the under. No.

What are you talking about? Jerry Springer's show was running through 2018. I just told you they had an episode where they were talking about Snapchat! This is like saying, like, Johnny Carson had an episode where he was talking about Hinge or Tinder. Like, it's insane that these two things are happening at the same time. 27 seasons. 27 seasons of the Springer Show.

Is that 27 years or 27 seasons? I think we can meet in the middle on this. I'm not saying let's call Dan a genius and Springer's not. Hold on. You know who is a genius? Me. 31 season long run. At the top of his game. Mori Povich.

Yeah. The king. You are not the father. Former guest. Did you interview him? I've been the father. Former guest, my close personal friend. I've been on an episode of Maury. What? Yes. Were you the father?

Ryan Nanny took us to a taping of the Maury Povich show. To watch. Yes, because they have film in Stamford, Connecticut. It was like a ESPY Nation field trip. He took the whole video team there. One of our coworkers loved Maury. So he just took us all. We sat there.

They taped three episodes, and then we took a bus back to our office. Did you get a paternity episode? It was a paternity episode. I think it was a polygraph episode. Did you get a phobia episode? No, didn't get a phobia episode. But I grew up watching Maury

because it was always on in the middle of the day. Yep, you get home from school. Yeah, it was always on. My babysitter loved Maury, so I just watched it every single day. In the case of 27 year old Jessica, you are not the storyteller. Oh, I thought you said you were on an episode

of the Maury Show. I was, the camera cut to me like, I was in the front row. I didn't mean like I was a participant. Dude, you can't say I was on the Maury Show, and then be like, oh, like I went to, I't say I was on the Maury show and I would've been more fun Like I went to I saw a taping and they got me in the crowd is different from I was on the Maury show I was on the Conan O'Brien show on the more show. I had you like taping them revealing that Lehman was actually telling the truth and you go

She goes to the back they always go to the back all the way the camera that follows them Oh, you ran as well, I told you. He was fishing. No cameras, no cameras, no cameras. She goes to the back, they always go to the back. The camera that follows them. So I talked to Maury about this on the show. It's a really good episode. I'm not just plugging that because I'm here to plug my show. We talked about all of this. What he used to do is, I mean,

is running around the studio. What he used to do is, I mean, he would go to the lengths of making sure he pronounced every child whose paternity in question their name correctly. He would, he was, he was a, Mori Povich, his dad, Shirley Povich, legendary sports writer,

he's in the sports media coaching tree. Is Amin okay? It's a lot of noise. We need someone mic'd up to play the Mori role to go back there and be like, listen, it's fine, man. Just everything's gonna be all right. My favorite thing, Amin, that Mori told me was that even though he and Jerry Springer,

Jerry Springer, by the way, the late, great Jerry Springer, Mori Povich still with us, still going strong. What Mori told me is that Mori Povich still checks the ratings to see whose rerun is beating the other. He's still taking pride in beating Jerry Springer from the, I mean, well, one of them is no longer with us. You said from the grave.

Maury Povich is 86 and he's still with us. Absolutely, absolutely. But was Maury Pich ever mayor of Cincinnati? Jerry Springer has that on his side. Mm-hmm, doesn't help the ratings. Oh. Well. The question though of ratings and why we should admire R. Dan

is because as Chris Hayes points out in this book as well, the easiest thing to do now, getting back to the genius conversation, is to grab attention. The hardest thing to do is hold it. So if you've been listening to us this week, if you listen to Dan this week, four hours a day, just know that you are paying the ultimate compliment

to our Dan. You are here for the long haul. It's the whole thing. I mean, you know those guys who go to like South Korea and they cause a scene? Oh yeah. That guy. The TikTok.

Yes. I forget it. Somali something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The point being, he basically yells fire in a crowded theater, everybody looks at him, and he's grabbed attention. Yes.

A lot harder is to go into a theater, yell fire, or take out whatever. Do whatever you can. Take off your clothes and then say, and now proceed to listen to me for the next two hours. That is hard. Or buy my coin. Is Salt Bae a genius?

No. Come on, that thing was- He's made a lot of money capitalizing off of- I can't put salt on anything now without doing this. Just sprinkling salt on things. When you come up with a way to do what everybody else does with their steak, but they happen to do it either this way or they do it this way

I don't like any of those movements from you David. None of them. I love all those movements Do you? Do you? Every last one of them. You ever see how much salt he wastes? Can you imagine being the guy from the floor at the Salt Bay restaurant? Oh man that guy's He's working overtime. I don't think you automatically get genius status just because you made a lot of money doing like one thing. I think that you could be really good at it, but there's also like ways to make a lot of money doing one thing that, you know, are sprinkling salt. Where are the geniuses with no attention?

Oh man, they're everywhere. Also, I have a, I have a more importantly, two things that existed at the same time. Grover Cleveland and butt plugs. Really? That's crazy. That's crazy. Butt plugs I assume were with cavemen.

What? What'd you get, fashioning it out of rock? Whittle it down? Og is like, you know what I think would kind of feel good? Let's spice it up. Just a little butt plug. Does this concept not blow your minds of the things that you had no kind of connection?

I love this category. I'm thinking of a good one. I'm thinking of a good one. A lot of what comes my way is that we're now closer to 2018 than we are with 19. I'm trying to find out and you're not giving me the space to find out. I sounded like you were thinking of one and you didn't

want to share it with us, you were just gonna keep it to yourself. Yeah, that's what I thought, I thought we were filibustering for you to think of me. Sorry, I'm trying to be your partner. I'm viewing my content Spank Bank, this is a private experience. Spank Bank, huh?

I'll share it with you guys later. It's Florida, there's no Spank Bank. Well, there's ways around that. With that attitude. While you're thinking of one, let me jump in real quick. Talk about the Venmo bucket one more time. I just want a little review from the week. David was fined on Wednesday for a phone interruption.

Pablo also on Wednesday for a phone interruption. Mike on Monday, $2 for a throat clear. Greg on Tuesday for $2 for a cough. Dan made a mistake. Yeah, that was paid double. Izzy for a throat clear. Greg on Tuesday for $2 for a cough. Dan made a mistake. Yeah, that was paid double. Izzy made a mistake yesterday. David had a phlegm today. There's $173 currently in our Venmo bucket.

So this is very exciting. What's the total for me? $22. Can I read to you guys from a text that Ryan Cortez has sent me? The other people who are seemingly from a wrong generation interacting with those from a different one Jimmy Butler and Pat Riley's meeting according to the athletic has some hints of our Dan quote Butler and Riley met in person on the afternoon of January 7th to establish some ground rules for how this messy situation would proceed.

What followed, according to sources on both sides, was instead an emotional two-hour sit-down that left Butler bewildered by his 79-year-old boss's behavior and Riley at a loss for how to reach the mercurial 35-year-old star. From Butler's vantage point, Riley was, quote, unhinged and disturbing, end quote, as a league source close to him described it. More specifically, Butler told those close to him that the longtime team president referenced Butler's recently deceased father several times during the meeting,

offered unsolicited and unwanted parenting advice, and even shed tears before ending the meeting by telling Butler he loved him. Ugh. That doesn't track. Are we sure that wasn't Dan in the meeting? Oh, that tracks. That doesn't track. Are we sure that wasn't Dan in the meeting? Oh, that tracks.

That tracks with a guy who's been doing this for so long. He's aging, he wants to be able to connect or get his message across to Jimmy Butler. He's just overly emotional at the time. This is a man who has done all kinds of tactics in a locker room to get his team motivated. Putting his face in a bucket of ice until he couldn't breathe.

So yeah, this is him just bringing it all out there. All the emotion that this Jimmy Butler situation created and taking it out. You know what part of this is, is exactly that. Is that Pat Riley has a mythology around him, right? And in his heyday, that mythology worked. He's a genius. And now it's just the ramblings of an old man

to the current generation, right? Miguel, the caller we heard earlier. So he's done more than one thing, Pat Riley. Genius. Coach and GM. Do you think Pat Riley? Copyright holder. Do you think he puts a hedge bet in? Let's stop talking over each other.

Do you guys think he puts a hedge bet in on the Eagles? Because he's gonna win so much money if the Chiefs win with three Pete that he puts a little bet in. You're saying what would a genius bet on because you have a lot of money riding on this game. He's gonna make X dollars with three Pete. Well, most of that goes to charity.

You don't hate to add it. I love the most. If I'm Riley, I'm putting like 200K on the Eagles. So this either way. The win-win. Well. Are you trying to have them then split, to win both by having the Chiefs win by one,

according to the current lines of Drakens? Oh, you bet the spread. Okay, I was just thinking money line, but yeah. I like to take the point in the half and then you can win, you split it. The Chiefs win by one? Hell yeah. That's genius. He can win by one? Hell yeah. That's genius.

He should, I mean, am I wrong though? You guys don't hedge with gambling when you have like a big win over here. If this hits, it's a win, you hedge, no? Okay. Hedge your bet. I'm an emotional hedger. I'm not a hedger.

I wanna win it all. Are we, are we almost done here, guys? What, we need to do awards. Oh. You You know what we have a little bit before the club. We'll treat our pre-club as a little award session. Coming up next, awards and the club. But there's still 15 seconds. I think you do that great. Chris Cody, EP of the week!

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