The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Smelling Salts for the Ankle

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

Mike Ryan joins the show from California to celebrate the Canes' incredible victory that he was in attendance for. Was that targeting? What about that ineligible man downfield? Are the Canes back to work? We turn our attention the NFL and cover some of the big storylines from the weekend, including Aaron Rodgers and the Jets losing to the Vikings in London, Andrew Van Ginkel always being in the end zone and the Dolphins escaping the Patriots. Plus, why was Josh Allen allowed back in the game? And why do people keep coming up to people on our show and asking for gambling advice? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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there. It can all be delivered with DoorDash. So this football season, don't stress about the cooking. Kick back and enjoy game day thanks to DoorDash. DoorDash, your door to more. Download the DoorDash app now to order your game day favorites. Welcome to the big suey presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBittard podcast. I'm sorry. I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it.

And now here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face and the habitual liar. Let's get Mike Ryan's correspondent opinions on this. We are bringing him in. He was in California. Maybe he's still in California. It looks like there is a hotel room behind him. Your appraisal of what it is that happened Saturday as David tries to poo-poo that victory and

is weirdly taking the lane of being someone who's saying, not that exciting, what's the big deal? It's only October. Your thoughts, Mike Ryan, as you saw exactly how it is if your team is going to lose this season? It'll look something like that. It'll look like it looked for five of the top 11 teams in the nation. I think what this weekend proved is that winning is really hard and when you have the day-in-day outgrind of a difficult conference, it's tricky to pull off as Tennessee and Alabama found out. It's an interesting thing what's happening with Miami and their victories

because people look at their schedule and say, Miami's got an easy schedule. And yeah, that's what game day typically does. They go to spots that are easy for opposing teams, I guess. That was the nation's number one defense. And Miami's offense is absolutely incredible. It's arguably. That was the nation's number one defense. And Miami's offense is absolutely incredible. It's arguably the best in the nation. The stats back that up. And you saw on Saturday the best of Cam Ward and some of the worst. And sometimes he'll put you in that

position. But it's amazing that these terrible, and that pick six was atrocious. These terrible turnovers don't really mean anything to him he's pretty resilient in that way I don't think that that's the Achilles heel of the University of Miami he will have three touchdown two interception games I believe the Achilles heel of the University of Miami is their defense allows too many giant plays yeah they've certainly surrendered big chunk plays and this was actually something that kind of kind of popped a little bit during During fall camp they're giving something away in their tendencies

Defensively because the last two weeks the opposing head coaches have have really taken their lunch It needs to be addressed entering this season. The the secondary was a real concern particularly corner. They've had injuries there They haven't really found a solution Hopefully some of the young guys can continue to progress and maybe move Mish Powell to Nichol. But the big chunk plays are a huge issue, even though Ott was relatively contained outside of a controversial long touchdown. Yeah, they need to figure that out. The opposing running backs are seemingly pulling away. And their offense on the running game, Miami hasn't really been able, outside of Jordan Lyle against USF,

and AJ Allen, I believe, against FAMU, they haven't really been able to pop off these huge runs when they get into the second level. Are we talking about this if the game went as it was supposed to go, which is just Miami beating them soundly from start to finish? That's not how it went.

But why are we talking, because they were down, they played so badly, and they were forced into a position to come back, and they did? Because it's an unusual comeback, that's why. If this was a much less interesting game, would we be talking about this? Like probably not as much, David, isn't that obvious? 6.30 in the morning for Mike.

6.30, you got him up to talk about this game? How's Cynthia doing, by the way, right next to you? She's in that bed. She's in that bed right now. It's been a great trip. I will say that it was an unbelievable experience, and David, you could poo poo it if you want. Like I said, that is the nation's number one defense,

and that was an incredible atmosphere, and the hospitality's been nice here in Berkeley outside of the actual game. When the game got going, that kind of felt like a legitimate hostile crowd. Them identifying where the opposing coaches wives were and going at them, security being lax and really letting those folks do whatever they wanna do.

The broadcast for whatever reason, completely ignored dozens of bottles being thrown at Miami football players after that game. It was a great game, a great finish, and if you wanna just look at it and say, well, what happened here? Miami didn't cover a 10 point spread. That's not really what happened in that game.

And if you watched that game, you'd realize that that was as improbable a comeback victory as Miami has ever had, including that Duke victory where Cornelda helped out in the kickoff return. That was an unreal comeback and Miami never wins that game. Only good teams find victory in that situation. I think despite Miami having a difficult time against Virginia Tech, who now all of a sudden with that Vanderbilt result, they look a lot tougher on the air. They thoroughly handled Stanford and Cal went to Auburn and didn't really sweat the Auburn Tigers and Florida now looks even better. I think Miami's schedule is actually probably a little bit better and

they have the highest ranked strength of schedule outside of teams with one. So like they have the highest strength of schedule in the top 10 amongst the undefeated teams, for whatever that's worth. For the audio audience, Mike Ryan is in a hotel room at 6.30 in the morning. He's swigging some sort of drink that could be Red Bull, it could be water. And I'm wondering, when you check into the hotel, do you choose stage left to be empty of the bed

that I see in the background, or is that your normal position at your house, or did you think ahead knowing you were gonna be on the edge? Excellent follow up. Izzy, what did you have for Mike? That's a critical thing. Thank you, Dan. That's on my spot.

That's on my spot, usually. See, they did it. Two straight weeks, Mike, with very stressful instant replay reviews. Your thoughts on targeting, no targeting. The targeting thing, when it happened live, I was like, he hit him too hard. He hit him too hard and because it was a quarterback, people think that the rules change.

Just like the previous week, people think that the rules change for whatever reason in the end zone because I think it's a weird thing. The Virginia Tech game, you have, when you were a runner, if the ball just sneaks over the pile on, it's immediately a touchdown and And I think that really clogged people's view of the touchdown pass. But I didn't think it was targeting, but I'm biased. I will say that they looked at it pretty thoroughly and they slowed it down and it didn't look like targeting.

It just looked like he hit him very hard. And thankfully Mendoza, who was really tough, who's a Miami kid, he came back in that game, but he was wearing that hit because he had wide open wide receivers in that final drive I don't know if any if the TV broadcast picked up on that but they were just bad throws there Cal could have absolutely pushed that ball in that final drive but I think because of the previous hit Mendoza was a bit loopy. What about the illegal man down field on the Miami touchdown? So those blockers were engaged and that's what

makes the RPO so difficult to defend. The RPO essentially just a quarterback and one receiver know that there might possibly be a pass here. So RPO there's usually vagaries and people let that one go because those linemen are engaged in a block but if you want to do that fine. Cam Ward got hit in the face on the very same place so they're offsetting. If you want to back up Miami it's still second down. They easily made their way for 91 yards. I think that it's probably a little bit more advantageous for Miami if they call that because there's less time on the clock. Mike, I need to stop you just because the guy with a bag on his head just whispered in my ear, this is worse

than anything I've ever said in Heat Homerdom, and Izzy is burst out laughing that you, at this point if the University of Miami killed somebody on the field with a machete you would say that guy had it coming to him. I mean if people don't know the rules when it comes to the illegal man downfield I'm sorry. But that was that was targeting though Mike it was targeting. It was shoulder to shoulder and he's not a defensive defenseless player he's a running back that's not a defenseless player. He's a running back.

He just hit him hard. They looked at it. They did look at it and Brock Osweiler was screaming, that's an automatic targeting call. This is why commentators frame these discussions. We talked about this last week. It's not. If it were, it would have been called as such. I've been in those stands for several away games where the exact same play happens and it's targeting.

Mike, you were watching the replay and you were saying to yourself confidently, nope, hit him in the shoulder. Yeah, just like I was saying the week before that, nope, it wasn't a catch. I wasn't watching these things on TV, so I guess I don't have that. I saw on the group chat that Reece Davis was pushing back on Brock Osweiler, for those that were awake, couldn't probably confirm that. Also, did we get down to whether or not there was a voter from Wyoming that had Miami 16?

And I swear to God, he thinks Miami lost that game. That he voted as if Miami lost that game. It was really late, Mike. It was so late over here. I know you're in California, but that voter was definitely asleep by 2 a.m. Yeah, I heard a bunch of people say after the game, you know that was targeting, and it was like,

yeah, you kind of blew a 25 point lead. We're gonna hang on to the targeting as if that were the difference. It's like the chief bailout of all bailouts there, please call targeting because they hit us so hard as they were mounting this incredible comeback. They looked at it, it wasn't targeting. Let's move on.

I like how Loopy Fernando when he got up was still sharp enough to say, oh, I clearly got hit in the head, you guys should take a look at that, and that's when they finally took a look at it. Well, if he clearly got hit in the head, why was he out there at the final drive? Same reason Josh Allen was, yes,

because it's an inexact science. Okay, the training staff sends a guy back out there because he got hit in his shoulder. He got hit hard. They review it. It's not targeting. Okay, fine. If you want to say it's targeting,

then I guess Miami owes everything to the refs. I like Lupe Fernando as a character. Lupe Fernando was trying to bring Cal back. This is the part that I'm grateful for, and this part's not up for dispute. Wherever it is that you want to dispute, anything related to the University of Miami football team. They're wildly interesting again, just period.

It's not any diluters on that. Their offense is good enough that Cam Ward is somebody who deserves his Heisman credentials. The statistics don't lie. This is statistically the best start a University of Miami quarterback has ever had. And that's a long list of great quarterbacks that have done impressive statistical things. He is wildly confident, on occasion too confident,

and he makes them unbelievably interesting. They're 44 minutes interesting. We did a little Missouri, I'm sorry, we did a little Vanderbilt, Alabama, but yes, we're a Miami show and we are talking a lot about the University of Miami today because again they had a comeback the school hasn't had in a century David. You can continue in this century I should say. You can complain about it all you want but

it's a game we haven't seen in 25 years. I don't know, were there more wildly interesting games in football yesterday, in professional football? Did you think there were a lot of things that were more interesting than the way the University of Miami won? For me, there were. Go ahead, what are they?

I'm just trying to speak about allocation. Aren't you in charge of allocating time? We got a four hour show. We're gonna be doing three more hours of show after this. I mean, Lamar Jackson against the Bengals was pretty damn good. It was good, I agree with you. That's as well as Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow can play.

Give me Mike Ryan, since he mentioned the Cornelder, the Cornelder game against Duke. This is the last time the University of Miami felt like this on a Monday. 27-24, Squipkick, just fall down on it or whatever. No, they're going to try the lateral. Pass it to the other side of the field, this never works. Caught by Cornelder, pitches it back to Ja'Quon Johnson at the Miami 30, delaying the inevitable.

Looking for a block, pitches it backwards. As many laterals now as BS pass interference penalties on that last drive. Walton now pitches it back to Johnson. we're gonna keep going with this toss it back here comes another pitch Cornell there has it there was a back to the Plumbers 9-1-1 goal line Dallas Crawford looking for a block gets one Definitely not a block in the back. He throws it across to the 30 to Cornelder big legal block He's got it to the 40 Cornelder crossing El Palacio de los Hugo Smithfield Cornelder speeding now to the 40 speeding ticket fighour.com hold on now dashing down the Dandy Bear

sideline so what your kid has ringworm Dandy Bear Elder inside the Gus McChaddle red zone Cornelder he's at the 10 he's at the 5 Lindy Eric Scotty Mike Miami Presently no flags on the field and certainly no one will have a problem with how this game ended. Oh Wait, we don't speak English, oh everyone hates us! What is your problem David? You still think we're...it's the local hour! David, what do you want us to be talking about in the local hour? Why did you ask if this is the local hour?

Let's send Mike Ryan out on a song about him. He's a Golden Cane, he's one of the biggest University of Miami boosters that there are nationally. Let's serenade him on the way out I have to hire Mario Costobal I am the reason players get paid I only wanted to see Joseph Gatkin Joseph Gatkin laughing cause I have a golden cane Golden cane, golden cane Golden cane, golden came Golden'm a golden king. Thank you, Mike. Congratulations on your 6-0 start. Back to work.

Just very seriously, back to work. Back to work came in under. I had that over two and a half and he didn't say it once. Good seeing you, Mike. Good seeing you, go Cains. It's a bye, Cynthia. Bye, Cynthia. Hey DraftKings fans, are you ready to elevate

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Remember to follow all traffic signals. Be careful along our tracks and only make left turns where it's safe to do so. Be alert, be aware, and stay safe. Don LeBattard! We love you, we've got you, we've all got each other. Let's go. Right now. Stugats! One, two, three, Brett. One, two, three, Brett! This is the Don LeBattard Show with the Stugats! I think we can all agree that the takeaway that everyone had off of professional football yesterday is how in the hell is Van Ginkle always in the end zone.

I again forgot that there was an early game. This happens to me with the first couple of London games every single year. I'm noticed I'm arriving in the third quarter of, oh, Minnesota's up 17-7. I didn't catch any of this. Van Ginkle now has, I think I've still got this right. He's got more touchdowns than the combination

of Josh Jacobs, Tyree Hill, Travis Kelce, and Garrett Wilson. I mean, that guy was doing that when he was a Dolphin, which you know is a sign he is a great player. The Dolphins, I know this isn't local stuff, but the Dolphins had a Van Ginkle and a Van Noy who always make plays. Let them both go.

Brian Flores is the D coordinator for Van Ginkle with the Dolphins and now with Minnesota. That's the scheme that, like, I give Flores is the D coordinator for Van Ginkle with the Dolphins end now with Minnesota. That's the scheme that like, I give Flores credit as much as Van Ginkle for like, they put 22 guys at the line of scrimmage and then half of them dropped back and it's just very confusing. But how is one guy always in the right spot

at every single play and it's Van Ginkle? Is Brian Flores the best defense, with Belichick out of the league, who is the best defensive mind going right now? He's getting a lot of credit, obviously, Minnesota. What are the undefeated teams in the league? It's Kansas City and Minnesota. Is there a third one?

What is the third? Is there a third unbeaten team in the NFL? That league is kind of crazy in terms of parity. The Bengals are now one and four. The Ravens are a very barely three and two. You have, you know, the Cowboys are barely at 500. And so because the Vikings are five and oh and because none of us understand

how the Vikings are five and oh with Sam Darnold, even though all of us know, not a Super Bowl champion, I'm sorry, you can give Flores all the credit you want. You can give O'Connell all the credit you want, you can give Sam Darnold all the credit you want. There will be no circumstance under which Sam Darnold is winning the Super Bowl. Dan, there was a point during yesterday's game

where I had written off the Sam Darnold experience for the season. He had started to sort of scramble a little bit, didn't really look good. There was a screenplay that he gave up on, like immediately, and just threw into the ground where there was nobody around him, looked like he was starting to see ghosts, and then the fourth quarter happened,

and it just looked like, hey, he's five and oh now, what can I say? Andrew Van Ginkle is tied for third on the Vikings in touchdowns. The Sam Darnold play you're talking about there is he actually was a smart play, where Sam Darnold saw that it was gonna get blown up and just threw it into the floor on purpose.

But he saw it way too soon, Dan. Like, you could make something happen there, but come on, he just didn't have. He gave up on it very quickly, you're right. Also, can you guys tell me, because I missed the first half of that game, what happened with Sauce Gardner? That he was just incapable of dealing with Justin Jefferson?

He was getting a lot of penalties. And I saw that people were being critical of Sauce Gardener, who I think of, if it's not Sir Tan, I think of Sauce Gardener as the best cornerback in the league. He had like a six-place stretch, where he had two bad penalties and a dropped easy interception.

It was like the worst stretch of this like great cornerbacks career. So I think that's what you're talking about. But there were a lot of calls, there were a few if you look at the replays. Jefferson got a few calls that he shouldn't have. So it kind of balanced out. It's a league that requires superstar treatment.

So we've seen that. I don't know why we keep talking about that. We talk about the parody. Can we talk about anything, David? I'd like to talk about the game. It's an unbelievable thing to watch Aaron Rodgers continue to be thought of as someone who can win in the NFL. And I think it's clear that he cannot.

The thing that happened yesterday that I'm not used to seeing from Aaron Rodgers is he lost the game. They had three interceptions and he doesn't throw interceptions. He sort of reinvented the way the position is played in terms of not making the mistakes that cost you and at the end of the game he had a chance to win it and they're doing a lot of five yard slants that Van Ginkle can jump on because they're doing so much intermediary stuff and then when he throws it

to Mike Williams he throws it in a terrible place at the end of the game. They said that that was his sixth, I believe, career pick six that Aaron Rodgers has thrown, which you're thinking, I don't know if that's a lot or not, Peyton Manning had like 27. So it seems like it's an ability he has to not throw pick sixes.

I think the only saving grace is that the rest of the AFC East yesterday looked so bad. The Bills game was some weird late game management to lose that one on a field goal. Josh Allen looked like he got hurt, but then he came back in, which was weird. And then of course the Patriots-Dolphins game. Ugh. Look, as a Dolphins fan, I can judge that that's concussed.

Josh Allen was concussed there. Next game, if they let him play, if it happens again, that's when the fingers things happen. So, as a Dolphins fan, I can spot this and I'm telling you he's concussed. To David's point, Aaron Rodgers, like a lot of his stuff that he does when he was in his prime, a lot more physicality, right?

There's a lot more running out of the pocket, a lot more of these dimes in small windows. Now, I feel like he relies on a lot of that quarterback to receiver chemistry. Like, let me throw a back shoulder. It requires more than just putting it at the right spot. It requires the receiver to know that I'm throwing a back shoulder.

Push off just the right time, get back. And all that stuff is, yeah, obviously, it's a quarterback and a receiver, but it's not the receiver throwing you open. It's not the quarterback throwing you open. It's the receiver doing a lot of the work there. So it feels like Aaron's success is really dependent on how good those receivers are at reading him.

He's winning the Oscar for you then, because what Aaron Rodgers is doing, if you watch that game, the 9.30 a.m. Eastern game, he is blaming receivers. He's shaking his head when the receivers are in the wrong place or they don't run the right route, or at the end of the game, oh, that pass, oh, and he's going like this with his arms

where I'm just saying he is trying to think in his mind, and athletes do this all the time. When they get older and they've been superstars, they don't acknowledge the fact that their skills have been limited. They refuse to. You have to rip the uniform off their back. Aaron Rodgers clearly is not Aaron Rodgers.

It's also great coaching from the Vikings to know his tendencies. Like that Van Ginkle pick, they explained how that's an Aaron Rodgers tendency to get it out really quick into the flat. And so he turned around right after the ball was snapped and was in the perfect spot for that pick six. So that's good coaching from the defense. And also that last interception, like you said, Dan, that was just a poorly placed ball, and the corner was able to turn around and snag it, and Rodgers wanted a penalty flag because, how could he? But it was a pretty badly placed, like if he put it over the wide receiver's right shoulder,

probably would have been a touchdown. He's also not evolving with the times. Like I heard that he's very anti-motion, and everyone's offense these days, that's how you get all the advantages. So he just is kind of stuck in his ways and like Jess said, he has his same check calls, like oh, it's gonna be quick slants

and that's why Van Ginkle read that shit. One of the things, that's good analysis, that's why Van Ginkle read that shit. One of the things that is interesting about where it is that teams placed value in the offseason. Lazard and third receivers are being paid better than Derek Henry. Derek Henry, the Ravens got him one year nine million dollars and the Ravens who had a record-breaking rushing offense a couple of years ago have a better rushing offense this year

with Derek Henry and Lamar Jackson. That entire game yesterday, the best game of the day, the Bengals and Ravens, Derrick Henry got held to no run was more than seven yards until the one that won the game that went 50 yards. But now it would seem that Devontae Adams is somebody that someone is going to trade for. And I don't know if you guys saw what Devonte Adams did on his social media this weekend. He put up a picture of Edgar Allan Poe, which I was not expecting. That one caught me off guard, and you know. Then he would know who that is, or that he would post it?

Just all of it was confusing to me. I wasn't expecting the tell of, the poem is, quote quote the raven, that's a raven reference, correct? It could be Edgar Allen, Josh Allen. Could just be a big fan of spooky season, Dan. I mean, you guys aren't aware of this, but it's October, it's fall.

Everyone's getting a little spooky. We're reading spooky Edgar Allen Poe poems. Edgar, you know, Edgar Martinez, Seattle. You know, there's a lot of options here. Okay, but I believe he was going for Edgar Allen. Poe Boy, where do they make Poe Boys? To Saints. New Orleans.

He sounds like idiots. Ooh, today's actually the anniversary of Edgar Allen Poe's death, October 7th, 1849. Maybe that's what he was referencing in early celebration. Paying his respects. Wow. Respect the troops. You guys didn't find this as weird.

The Patriots. As I did, that he was just putting up a photo. I'm checking Javonty Adams' social media and there's just a photo of Edgar Allan Poe. Put it on the poll please, Juju, at LeBataard Show. Do you recognize Edgar Allan Poe on site? Edgar Allan Poe, EAP, easily accessible place. What's an easy accessible place that he could be in?

I'm going deep with this. Please stop. The microphones in this show. Are you okay? Getting emotional? Who hurt you? Very emotional. What are you doing?

What is that? Is that a kerchief? What are you? I carry a handkerchief around. You're wiping around at your nose. What happened? Are you leaking from your nose? What's happening there?

I was laughing. Have you ever laughed so hard that all of a sudden you started crying? I was laughing. Have you ever laughed so hard that all of a sudden you started crying? I'm laughing at you checking Adam's social media and seeing Edgar Allan Poe. That makes me laugh. Oh yeah, Dan totally follows him on Instagram.

Totally. I totally know exactly what Edgar Allan Poe looks like when you show me a black and white photo of Edgar Allan Poe. No one needed to explain any of that to me. I thought that he was someone who wrote our Declaration of Independence when I first saw it. I wouldn't have recognized. There's no way that everyone recognized Edgar Allan Poe.

I mean, yes there is. You recognized him? Yes, David. I wasn't in college three decades ago, respectfully. That is not respectful. I'm gonna leave for a minute. That is not in any way respectful. You don't have to leave.

You don't get to penalize yourself. You don't get to penalize yourself. That's not how that one works. I don't understand how it is that people are always calling their own penalties. Well, Willow's here, Dan, so she needs a little bit of time to play with the dog and then come on right back. That's what it was, is she wants a break.

Yeah, no, you gotta sit there. The penalty is got to sit there and watch David clean his runny nose Got a stare right at it. Did you guys see yesterday that? Andy Dalton in with two minutes left in the first half was seven for eight for 15 yards That's what the Carolina there's no way he's back seven for eight for 15 yards was the stat line on Andy Dalton he had a good run as a as Stu got was in Chicago with Billy and God bless football doing both that game the Andy Dalton red rifle game and Chicago Bears football I don't know if that one was

worse though than Dolphins Patriots. Dolphins Patriots was an excruciating misery to watch. The Dolphins special teams, dreadful. And Mike McDaniel, the last three weeks have aged him about a dozen years. This poor guy has been, like I feel like he has been thrown through like a dry clean presser, like a tumble in the dry cleaner

where he has just been, just, he's in tatters. He didn't think this one through, this look through. He didn't say to himself, hey, what if we suck this year? What am I gonna look like? Because if you're winning, you look like Coach Miami, you're the man, but if you're not winning, you just look like you walked out of, I don't know, 11 at five in the morning, and you put your glasses

back on and realized, oh shit, I'm on camera. I don't know if you guys have noticed this, but the 509 yards that Kirk Cousins had in the last game that we saw Kirk Cousins play represents more yards than the Patriots had thrown for in all four of the games before yesterday combined. I can't imagine what Patriot fans are feeling watching that football team after what they had

for 20 years, where the Dolphins were favored in that football game. The Dolphins shouldn't be favored against anybody. That was shocking. And the Patriots, they had a touchdown at the end of the game that didn't count because there was no toe drag. That was a devastating call to end the game on.

That's a weird rule. That like if you're going backwards, you gotta get the heel down. If you're going forward and the toes just drag, that's enough. It's an odd, what if you're going sideways? I spent time last night thinking about, because there was someone who talked about the heel toe. It's not the first time it's come up this year. What if you're going sideways? I spent time last night thinking about,

because there was someone who talked about the heel toe. It's not the first time it's come up this year. And there's a competition committee that goes through those rules. And I was trying to understand the provenance of that. What are they trying to guard against? Because that should be a legitimate touchdown at the end of that game.

I actually turned it off because my pick of the day was the Patriots and they scored and that's it. The Patriots were going to cover and then I looked back many minutes later and it was disallowed and I didn't know what happened and I went back and it was the heel toe issue. Well, the NFL is crazy to me. I spent that entire game obviously not paying attention

to the football on the field, but thinking about just how long ago it was that the Dolphins scored 70 points against the Denver Broncos. And am I wrong, was it not just, was it two years ago or one year ago? It was last season, right? That was last year.

It was last season, and they were so much fun. They had built up all this energy in people to the point where last week before that game against that horrible game last week, people were telling me on the streets, hey, I got this crazy parlay, Tyreek's gonna go crazy tonight. And I'm like, do you know who's playing quarterback?

Tyreek's not doing anything tonight. And then I'm flipping through the channels and the Washington commanders are doing crazy things and it makes me not wanna change the channel. And I'm like, man, the NFL, it's like that. Everything changes in the snap of a finger, and last year I was being told that being a fan of the Dolphins made me a loser

because they didn't win a playoff game, and what, like at least I had a good season. This year has been absolute crap. Have you ever been watching a game on a normal broadcast so it's like not Red Zone, I am just sticking with this game, but you want the Red Zone treatment for the game. It's like I just want this screen to go black for Patriots Dolphins and when they get in the Red Zone,

let it be up. Like put music on, you know how sometimes YouTube TV has like the, this is just a, yeah, moment of zen. Just give me that and then when there's something important happening, show me the game. I love when you can skip the ad and get that extra moment of zen for like an extra five seconds. Man, those are nice. The whole game lived between like the ad and get that extra moment of Zen for like an extra five seconds man Those are nice

The whole game lived between like the 40 and the 40 just in midfield and it was just gross and I didn't want to watch Any of it? What would you be doing during this period? Would you just be sitting there staring at the blank screen? Just resting my eyes. It was funny I was watching red zone at a buddy's house and we made the decision we're like, alright big TV gets Dolphins small TV gets red zone Let's see how long we make it. Now you really gotta focus in on the B when it's like on top of the flower and try, like that, if you really stare at that for a while, man, that is so relaxing.

It was about midway through the second quarter. We're like, all right, flipping it. Dolphins on the small TV, Red Zone on the big TV. Sometimes there's just a view of like the sand and the beach and there's like the ocean water crashing. And those are the best, the worst part is when you can't find your remote in time to skip that ad and you have to watch those extra five seconds of ad,

but you know there's some zen coming. I could feel off of David, even though he didn't say anything, and I think he's still stewing in this particular stew, that David does not believe that people were walking up to you on the streets talking about their parlays. Absolutely. What streets?

This literally happened to me yesterday. Someone walked up to me and they were like, so Dolphins are playing the Patriots today. I got a survivor pool. What do you think about this game? And I was like, I don't, man, I don't like giving advice on stuff. Like, I don't know, but definitely don't pick the Dolphins for your Survivor League

That's a mistake because we I work for this show. It's like hey, dude Who should I who should I start this guy or this guy? They don't think because of this show People that don't listen they're making conversation people that don't listen. It's they just think like oh sports job Who should I start. It's not because. It's people that don't listen. They just think like, oh, sports job. Who should I start? It's like, dude, my team's one in four. The guy showed me the Hard Rock Bet screen. Like, he showed me he had the bet. I'm not lying to you.

You let a stranger, so you talked that long, that they got out their phone and showed you their screen of their wager. Well, I was leaving the medical marijuana dispensary, and everybody's super friendly when you walk out of those things and this guy was just like, hey bro, I noticed you in there

but I didn't wanna talk to you. Hey, I got this crazy parlay with Tyree Kill and I was like, go for it man. I'm not even kidding, this happened to me yesterday. Oh, you work for DraftKings, right? So let me tell you about all my bets today. This happened to me yesterday, David. This is a real thing.

I am not an expert and I hate giving advice but I did say take the commanders for your survivor pool and guess what? They're one of five people left in their survivor pool. I think that's fantastic that you work for DraftKings and that you're giving betting advice. I like that we're put in that position. You literally said I wasn't.

I think that people think you do is what's making me smile. And I'm picturing everyone on the streets right now. I had the Patriots in my Survivor Pool and it was my second Survivor Pool having lost in week two of the first one. Okay, Jessica, I don't want you talking behind your hand to Jeremy and both of you giggling, avoiding the audience while you talk amongst yourselves.

Like that is the rudest, what you guys just did there, where you think you're concealed because this makes it clear that No one can see what it is that you're saying because you got a hand in front of your lips What did you two just say at David's expense? Please that Lewis got in our ear and went yo this guy sucks Lewis We've got a penalty five minutes, major asshole. Go sit in the penalty box Lewis.

We don't need you doing a private show that distracts Jessica and Jeremy from the one that we're presently doing. At least cover your mouth when you say that Lewis. The things that happened in football yesterday that were interesting, you've got a handful of them. You've got Bengals, obviously, and Ravens, was a lot of fun. Quarterbacks playing at the top of the sport.

Lamar Jackson fumbled the game away at the end, and the Bengals kicker missed a 53-yard field goal, when in the other interesting game, Houston and Bills, the kicker makes the 59 yard field goal and we're now deciding these games by nothing from 59 yards out and the difference between Atlanta being at the top of its division is that Kuh will make 59 yard field goals at the end of game. It was just a bunch of games where everyone was trying to give the game away. You mentioned Lamar giving it away.

Joe Burrow with the weirdest interception, they have the ball, they can run the clock out, throws a quick slant interception. The Ravens are back in the game. All of a sudden there were a lot of examples of teams just giving away games. Well, you say there are a lot of examples, but this is what I would say about yesterday's play because you had a couple of hundred yard plays. that doesn't happen very often you had no reason whatsoever to watch Broncos Raiders no need to watch that no need to watch Patriots Dolphins there's a lot of slop

being played everywhere but Bills Texans you know both of those teams to be good Lewis you haven't been in there long enough that hasn't been five minutes get back in the seat you haven't been in there long enough. That hasn't been five minutes. Get back in the seat. You haven't been in there long enough. Bills and Texans, you know that both of those teams are good. But Josh Allen rarely plays that poorly. Josh Allen was clearly concussed. Josh Allen got smelling salts.

And then at the end of that game, all of the Bills organization felt like it was playing concussed throwing from its own end zone as if they were trying to come back from behind the way that they were playing the end of that game made it feel like the Bills didn't know the score that they thought that they were behind and throwing from their own end zone because with a reckless quarterback they did three straight dangerous things that will be the worst time management you see in that sport this entire year. I read this stat from the story of that game and it's so Josh Allen, the Bills are the only team in the

last 45 years to be tied or leading in the final minute of the game inside their own five-yard line and throw three straight passes. That's per ESPN research. It was really weird because then the Texans got the ball back, did like a little dump pass into the middle of the field and had one of their timeouts. So they called a timeout and set up a long kick, which they made, which like, if that had, if they hadn't been able to get that pass off,

I don't know if the kicker makes it, cause it would have been like a 60 yard plus field goal. So it was really weird clock management from the Bills. And like you said, like they were deep in their own end zone. So I, I guess I understand trying to get some field position because if you run it three times, the Texans still get the ball back with good field position, but at least maybe you make them use some timeout.

So it was really, really strange. Crazy. Dan, how do we allow that? How do we allow him back in the game? Because if that, and I know there's a history there, but if that happens to Tua, or even anybody who's just deemed to be slightly more fragile than, you know, Caballo, Josh Allen over there,

they're not coming back into this game. When he left the game and I saw the replay, I was like, that's a sure thing, he's done. But they give him some smelling salts and he answers the right questions and he comes back because he's what, six whatever he is and 200 something pounds? Because that was so clear and obvious,

it was embarrassing. He obvious it was embarrassing he claimed It was an ankle like in the postgame. He's like I went into the tent. I hurt my ankle What are you guys talking about smelling salts for the ankle who doesn't say it's weird It was weird though And I think that physically there is something at play with the fact that people bounce off of him and he is 240 pounds and he looks bigger than most of the guys. The ground cannot bounce off. Like his head bounced off the ground. That's where the concussion came in.

I thought he was out. I thought he was actually unconscious. If you look at one of his hands, he did that reflex thing. It just wasn't as obvious because he was turned a different way. I'm concerned about the NFL doing that with Tua in the position he's in.

They are, they had the whole settlement and the whole purpose of the Blue Tent and the protocol is to stop the smelling salt situation, which was common in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and to make the exception the way they did for Josh Allen, I thought ruined all of the progress they've made in fighting concussions. There was one with CJ Stroud too,

where CJ Stroud takes a hard hit, you see the replay, it didn't seem like he banged his head, but he gets, they're about to do the next play, and you can hear the broadcast team being like, that was just a bad look, he should be checked out right now. And then the ref clearly gets a thing in his ear of, get him out. So while they're at the line of scrimmage,

they send him off the field. It was just funny, it's, hey, we think you're concussed, hurry up and run off the field, and get to the blue tent quickly. It's like, he should probably be walking, taking his time. But it's like, no, we gotta do the next play, you might be concussed, jog off the get to the blue tent quickly. It's like he should probably be walking, taking his time, but it's like no, we gotta do the next play. You might be concussed. Jog off the field to the blue tent.

It's an odd look. I don't know what the national storylines are today that everyone is talking about. Obviously, the Bengals falling to one and four in that particular game when Burrow played his best and still got outdone by Lamar Jackson being a little bit better and Derrick Henry at the end. But I do think at the top of the list, David, because I don't think there was that

much interesting yesterday, the top of the list has to be Jayden Daniels. Like the fact that, that the Washington commanders have erased 25 years of inept, 25 years of our stadiums falling apart. We can't have a nickname for our team that's not racist, we have sewage lines busting in the stadium, and now all of a sudden, in five games we've clearly fixed it because this is the first quarterback ever to open with five games where he throws for more than 1,000 yards and rushes for more than 250.

It's October. Okay, I don't know what to do if all you're gonna do is this. It's not all I'm gonna do, but Jaden Daniels I don't know what to do if all you're going to do is this. Not all I'm going to do. But Jaden Daniels has had a great start to his career. One of the best starts I could argue maybe the best starts of any quarterback that I can remember as a rookie, but to erase Daniel Snyder. Does that mean Josh Harris has done it? Josh Daniels. I'm talking about no Josh Harris, the owner of the commanders.

He's done it. He's erased race Daniel Snyder with five weeks. Is that our position? Jaden Daniels. I said Jaden, I didn't say Josh Daniels. This was just a mix up. I said Josh Harris. Jaden Daniels, Josh Daniels, Josh, I don't know. It's October.

That's what Dave's go-to move today is he's gonna just give the date again and again. We should break down his full season actually. David's right. October baseball. We haven break down his full season, actually. David's right. October baseball. We haven't even spoken October yet. Did I really say Josh Daniels? Okay.

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