The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Stan Van In or Stan Van Out? (feat. Jeremy Taché)

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

Jeremy joins us live from loanDepot Park to tell us what the crew chief had to say about the controversial call in last night's Marlins game, even though he never actually spoke to the crew chief. Plus, Mike Ryan offers to eat a hat if 250,000 people bought last weekend's Jake Paul fight. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBittard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries That if they're just there that hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it And now here's the marching band to nowhere fat face and the habitual liar

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as though Big Dumpers having an all-timeer. It's unbelievable. It's not for a catcher for anybody. He's awesome. It's not for a catcher. I'm watching yesterday. Jacob Mizorowski for the Brewers, another one of these guys who throws 100 miles an hour and it doesn't even make sense because he's so skinny and it's just all slingshot.

It's six seven, if that guy weighs 190 pounds, it would be a lot and it's all slingshot. And I saw that seven, if that guy weighs 190 pounds, it would be a lot. And it's all slingshot. And I saw that Clayton Kershaw just got his 3000 strikeout last night, which is impressive until you consider that Randy Johnson has about 5000. Because the slingshotting of a baseball when you're 6'10", from the arm angle that's on top of you makes it nearly impossible to hit. Like I've seen guys against Misrowski contort themselves into a corkscrew. Professional hitters trying to hit his slider because it goes from the center of the plate to their knees. He also, and I was surprised by

this, has like 400 career strikeouts less than Max Scherzer. I don't think that you have the numbers right. Clayton Kershaw has 400 strikeouts less than Max Scherzer. Okay so Kershaw, I thought you were doing Mizorowski. No no he has substantially less. Not that many less, given how he started. Like, he's the first pitcher ever to come out of the box. His first three games doesn't allow any hits, and he's just striking everybody out.

Point remains, if you want to sit in your seat and cheer on Ubaldo Jimenez, download the game time out today. It is the point that remains. Did you guys see yesterday, I don't know if you guys care about this at all, but they moved Lindor out of the leadoff spot for the first time against Mizorowski. They beat him, the Mets did, and they got the grand slam from Ninmo, who was playing

instead of Lindor in the leadoff spot because the manager is brilliant. I did, it was the main topic at the dinner table last night. Jeremy, 3,000 strikeouts, he's joining us live from Marlins Park, 3,000 strikeouts, does it still mean anything? We've got Pitch Clock later in the show, we're gonna be obsessed with baseball in the last hour. We've got Jerry Bruckheimer, the director of the F1 movie, and what else has he made, Billy?

What else has he? Well, the producer of the F1 movie. The producer, excuse me. Yeah, he's attached to everything, Pirates of the Caribbean, Top Gun, Maverick, Bad Boys, National Treasure, Black Hawk down days of thunder kangaroo Jack crimson tie Caribbean the first one you mentioned why is kangaroo Jack in there one that you mentioned at all big moneymaker pirates huge moneymaker

Yeah, pirates was massive. I don't like pirates. Oh, you're you hate Disney. I forgot pirates was massive How do you pronounce it Caribbean or Caribbean when it's royal?, it's Royal Caribbean. When it's pirate, it's Pirates of the Caribbean. That's the correct way, Caribbean. That is actually accurate. For some reason, Billy put it in such great perspective. He really did. He did it very well. So Jeremy is out at Marlins Park.

You can see all of the pageantry, everybody getting ready for July 4th at a sold out Marlins Park, where an umpire with bad reflexes ruined baseball last night. How bad was it Jeremy in the Marlins Clubhouse were they mad at the umpire? They weren't necessarily mad at the umpire. They were frustrated.

It's one of those things. Kyle Stowers hit the ball 111 miles an hour off the bat. It was one of the hardest hit balls of the game. And so, you know, the umpire did his best to get it out of the way. Unfortunately, these reflexes were very slow and it just clipped off the back of his heel, but there's no room for interpretation on the rule.

It's a dead ball and they're gonna need to call Michael Hill, former GM of the Marlins, who's now part of the rules committee to see if they can change that rule and make it an interpretation type of rule. I want my judges to be arbiters. I want them to use judgment. I don't want my rules to be absolute.

That was clearly at the very least something that was going to allow Sanchez to get to third base. It doesn't make sense to have a rule so absolute that you have arbiters who don't arbitrate. Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. And I think the Marlins were feeling the same way. We spoke with the crew chief of the umpiring crew after the game. And he said, rule is cut and dry.

The way that this works is that ultimately, if a ball hits the umpire in the infield, not only is it a dead ball, but unless the runners are being forced to go to the next base. So say, for example, there were runners on first and second, and Hazel Sanchez would have been forced to third. But if not, they have to go to the next base. So say for example, there were runners on first and second and Jesus Sanchez would have been forced to third. But if not, they have to go back to the base in which they came.

And he said that Clayton McCullough came out and said, well, that's kind of a crappy play. And he said, I agree. And that was basically the extent of the conversation because there was nothing else that they can do. He did say like, if the media wants to, if the teams want to, having conversations with the commissioner's office about changing that rule is something that umpires would be open to, but at

the same time it opens a can of worms when you're looking at interpretation like that because what if the ball had deflected to the second baseman or for example what if the second baseman was shifted more toward the middle and had it not hit the umpire maybe there would have been a double play so it's it's kind of a complicated slippery slope. Unfortunately the Marlins were on the back end of a play that the crew chief said he hadn't seen in like 15 years. I think well yeah because of garbage reflexes. I think that the Marlins should protest if only because one of my favorite things in

all of baseball is when a protest is launched and then the umpire has to turn to the stat guy, and he has to signal pee for a protest. The way that you would write it on a steamed up shower if you were trying to leave the pee on the door, it's one of the most, put it on the poll, what's more primitive, using chain links to measure where the football should go, something that they're eradicating,

or the umpire pantomiming a P to tell the official scorer in the press box that the game is under protest. When you say that you talk to the crew chief, have they changed the way they do this in baseball? When I covered baseball, only one reporter was allowed to talk to the crew chief. So it's not a we, you didn't talk to the crew chief so it's not a we you didn't talk to the crew chief there's no we hear somebody was sent and you took their quotes correct that's exactly right Danny Alvarez of l extra

bossy went okay so there's no way you tried to claim that You were there at 9.45 in the morning talking to the crew chief. You didn't talk to the crew chief. There was no talking to the crew chief by a group. There was no we, there was an I. There was one I. Like Uncle Mike. There's no I in we. Jeremy, you're on the scene right now. We don't get access like this a lot.

I need you to go out into the field, show us where the umpire was, really walk us through what happened. He's not gonna be allowed. The groundskeepers would love it. I don't know if the grounds crew's gonna let me do it. Come on, come on. Act like you own the place. Let's see going to be allowed. The groundskeepers would love that. I don't know if the grounds crews are going to let me do it. Come on.

Act like you own the place. Let's see this. Do you see right now where that man with the rake is far from me? No, get closer. Standing right there. Get out there. No, I can't.

I can't. I can't get to the dirt. No. I don't see it. This is not going to happen. Hop over a line. Just get in the infield. Hop over the line.

I'm not going to get fired. I've done 17 games. Don't walk through the field. I'm not gonna get fired by whom? Enough Jeremy. He should be fired by, as a journalist, saying he talked to the crew chief when he didn't. Liar. There's lying to us. There was not a we that talked to the crew chief. A royal we.

You send one guy in. Royal we. By the way, those umpireires rooms you can't describe it because there was no we there. They're so small you can't get multiple people in there they used to be so small. I don't know if they've expanded them. They've got the 2 know that's all that to put us and then they've got a small bathroom area for all the umpires.

The managers are spot as well as the same way like you can fit the 8 or so chairs in there that you need for people to be able to be able to ask the manager questions, but it's the size of like a broom closet. Essentially, if that would have the umpire and just fallen dead, it seems hard to believe they would have just awarded the runner first base like they're just been like, all right, you're on first. If it if it killed the umpire.

No, if it would have hit the umpire and the ball would have fallen. That is the question. Is it a basic question? All right, put it on the poll at Lebatard Show. I'm sorry, I couldn't hear it. No, you got it, you heard it right. At Lebatard Show, you heard it correctly.

Who would ask that type of question? Put it on the poll at Lebatard Show. Are you automatically awarded first base if you accidentally kill the umpire with a line drive off your bat, because I think you are. Well, tell Danny to ask. I do think that, yeah, technically that would be the case. It would be a dead ball, it would be a dead umpire,

and it would be so. All right, see you later, Jeremy. Thank you, that's good analysis from you. Did you guys know that the Kansas City Royals are not named after royalty, but rather a big livestock show? Had no idea. Yeah, in the 1890s, there was a big livestock show. I had no idea. Yeah in the 1890s

there was a big livestock show called the the royal livestock and they just adopted the crown because it made a hell of a lot more sense and logo tied to livestock. Jeremy you know something about me right? You know when I'm grilling outside and it's summertime you know how I supplement my summertime? Of course I do. I make a miller time. Of course. That beautiful white can. Oh when it's so hot outside I just I just put it right to my forehead right there And just roll it sometimes right on the forehead cool my body down And then I crack it open in some relief and then that first sip brother does that first sip? That is a top five sequence of events that you can possibly go through

I'm just serenity now when I just imagined that first sip of Miller Lite. Just think about it, it's making me happy. Dude, the sun is out, it's nice, you have your friends showing up, you got your family there, you just had your first sip of Miller Lite, and you know what? You're happy. You're blissful. You're fulfilled. I've been stocking my cooler with Miller Lite for years, and for good reason. It's brewed for taste.

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I like that, I dig that. So they were originally named because they were athletic. Yeah. I mean, you see that a lot in soccer, athletic club, any team that's an AC or Atletico Madrid, I dig that. We should do more ACs. The Marlins actually weren't humans before, it was Marlins, and that's why they named them that.

We talked to the crew chief. He didn't talk to the crew chief, he wasn't even near the crew chief, he's pretending to be near the crew chief. When didn't talk to the crew chief. He wasn't even near the crew chief. He's pretending to be near the crew chief. When Jerry Bruckheimer joins us, this is one of my favorite things here lately, do you think he'll comment at all on Zaslow and his appearance, or are we just gonna go,

we're gonna go all summer with people just coming on the show, getting a question from Zaslow, looking at Zaslow. Like his shirt? I mean, I was hoping that we'd go the entire summer without referencing, I thought that was a plan. Do you think he'll notice how confident I am? Is that what you're saying? I mean, you're breaking Zas's bet.

When we made the bet initially, it was like, you wear that, you wear that every, you change it, and we don't reference it at all. I'm not breaking the bet, I'm simply allowing for a few more people who have been on the outside and may not have been listening the day that Zazz lost that bet, to give them the opportunity at the funny that's available

when a stranger appears and starts asking us questions about Zazz. Well, I mean, do you think Jerry Bruckheimer was listening that day? It's safe to say he probably was not. Here, Zazz, I have a plan. When Bruckheimer does join us, why don't you tone the look down?

He's gonna join us later in the show. I wanted to ask Billy something here about what David Sampson is doing on Nothing Personal. I don't know if you guys saw that he had Stan Van Gundy on and the game he played with Stan Van Gundy, and it shows a very... What are you say?

It shows a very Primitive form of creativity that doesn't quite rise to the level of genius that billions do gods have on god bless football and Stupadity he played the game with Stan Van Gundy Stan Van in or Stan Van out Doesn't make any sense doesn't make any sense At all make it Samson just say he wants to be me already. Jeez Louise Stan Van in or Stan Van out Doesn't make any sense. Like I don't know, I don't know what he's doing with Stan Van Gundy.

I mean, I understand the game, but I don't understand naming it Stan Van In or Stan Van Out. Why'd he start doing guests? I thought his whole thing was just listening to me. He's got an extra hour. Two hours of film. Oh boy, can't carry.

I mean what? Stan Van In or Stan Van Out is an objectively bad name, correct? How did the game work? Like what was something that he would be Stan Van In or Stan Van Out of? I think I understand how the game works, but I don't understand how David would play this game. Like, Stan Van Into This Coffin? It's tacos!

You go to my funeral? Yeah, one of the great things about you is always asking questions that I can't answer, so I was- You brought it up! Like, what should the Heat heat do I was Stan Van out as soon as I saw the name as soon as I saw the name of the thing I didn't see where it is that they went after that we'll play that with we're gonna steal that next time he joins yeah good steal something from David no just Stan Van in or Stan Van exactly right yeah that's just our game now. Stan Van Inn or Stan Van Out. If you guess up, we're gonna play Stan Van Inn

or Stan Van Out. Let's play it amongst each other. Let's play it with Zazz, if you want. I'm ready. Something I wanted to ask you, Billy, because I was legitimately confused by it, and I wonder if you have a theory on it. I wanna talk about Tony behind his back for a second.

I don't like doing that. You don't mind talking behind his back or in front of his back. You are someone who is publicly a bit of a nemesis to Tony and I want to ask you if you've noticed this week something that happened because I couldn't help but notice it. When Tony originally joined us something he did that I found curious that was unlike anyone else in our environment is he immediately put on Instagram him making a bunch of jumpers. And I'm like, wow, that's sort of the opposite of what we do around here.

Normally what we'd show is a mean missing the jumpers. We're not the show that makes a bunch of jumpers, we're the show that misses a bunch of jumpers. Did he say on the caption, like, hey, I got a new job? No, he was just introducing himself to our audience with, look, I'm wet from the perimeter. He felt the need to do that and One of the things that he did this week that I wanted to ask you guys about because there's a note off on Tony that

I recognized throughout Miami on just being Hyper Latin he comes back from Vegas and UFC where he was supposed to spar with someone and did not and Twice this week he has threatened to fight people on air threatened to fight you and threatened to fight Kugler And I'm like, what is that since when does anyone around here address any sort of problem by on air? Threatening to hey, do you want to fight? This is the last stop on, I'm not going to win the argument, so I'm going to win by beating your face. Is that how we do things around here? And so I just was curious if you guys noticed

that this is a direct result of returning from UFC in Vegas where a whole bunch of that crowd is brainwashed into, that's how we problem solve in 2025. We just beat your face in. Or get guns. Oh, that's a step further. Yeah, it's hard to improvise. We're not expecting guns, but yes, that is what we do.

In all those fails, you threaten to fight. I think maybe his cup is just filling up. You know, he's had it a little bit too much and he's gotta let it out some way or another and he was supposed to fight that UFC fighter Who allegedly then ducked him and ran away which by the way, can I just say yesterday? I said, you know what? This is why I love Twitter. It's because a show fan Directly tweeted at the guy and said hey

Tony said you ran away from him Is that true? And he tagged all of us. And then I went to see his account and I saw, well, he doesn't have like the largest of followings, but also he's not the most active. So I think- Tony Burner? I don't remember his name.

Was that his name? No, I'm asking, could it have been Tony's Burner? No, no, I think Tony would not want this guy, cause let's be real, Tony lied about the fact that the guy ran away ducking him. He's obviously not avoiding him. He had some sort of obligation or whatever that he had to go. But someone reached out to him directly to say,

hey, this guy's calling you a scaredy cat. Is that the case? And I don't know if he's gonna see it or not, but I feel like what we need to do is like, whatever, whoever's verified, whatever, like maybe let's kind of get that out there. So in the name of journalism, we can get to the bottom of what really happened here.

Once he sees the blue check marks, maybe it'll call attention to him and then he'll see, oh, this guy said I was ducking him or not. Is it true that the other day on one of Stu Gatz's properties, he had on Frank Isola and they played- Iceman. Isola or Asola.

Now that's a game. That's how you play. Jealous. I think that's true. I think that's true. I think that's true. Do you guys wanna play that? Do you guys wanna play Isola? With Stan Van Gundy?

Do you wanna play Stan Van in or Stan Van out without Stan Van Gundy? With Isola. And play Isola or Asola with Stan Van Gundy? If you guys wanna do that, go ahead and set that up. Should get the Iceman to play the Stan game. Isola or Asola? So do you think that Tony should be threatening

to fight people? I just think it's weird. Yeah, I think he's getting mad. I think it's a lot of creatine that's flowing through his veins. Really? Yeah, he's looking good. Like if you saw that video, you can see he's a bigger guy

and I think he's also younger, shorter fuse and he's all hopped up on performance enhancers. Tony threatening to fight people, Isola or Asola? I will say this, once this gets back to him, he's not gonna be happy. If you think he's gonna come in on Monday or Tuesday or whatever day in a better mood, I don't think that's gonna be the case.

Well, but it's not about his mood. His mood's always good. He's got one of the best attitudes around here. No, people who, no, no, no. What do you mean no? No, I mean, when you're threatening to fight people, you don't have the best attitude around here. That's clearly the opposite.

I would say that Tony is one of the few people over the last four years that I've gone out of my way to thank for his general attitude around everything here. But on air this week, he's threatened to fight two people. Two people! He's pretty good at not crossing the bars, too. Yeah, he's a kiss-ass. Why?

Behind the scenes, I... Oh yeah, the stuff he says about you. He is a victim. Oh, he's a kiss ass. Behind the scenes, he's a victim. He's a victim. Oh, sorry. Mike's on? Coogler and you though, choosing you two to fight. When you two. That's a classic bully thing.

He thinks that he can beat up the nerds. That's fine. Matchmaking like Jake Paul. Never heard of Revenge of the Nerds. I saw Tony. I don't know how that movie works, but I assume the nerds win at the end and the bullies lose.

The nerds actually all die. Really? Yeah. Like the umpire. Yeah, hit by a ball. I saw Tony went on a podcast and the headline was, on this podcast we broke down

how 10 Day Tony went from a throwaway joke to a whole identity. To a brand, I think is the word. From that moment, a nickname became a character and a character became a brand Yeah, it's a note off. He has an agent now. Are you laughing? That's just that's a pretentious sentence. I mean it feels right it. This is the podcast putting it out So I'm not like a Nike commercial

Well written it's well fall seven times get up eight. It's well branded Mike Ryan mentioned Jake Paul, who is now ranked, he's ranked 14th. He's beaten no one and he's ranked 14th and he will probably get a title fight based on nothing more than it will draw dollars. The WBA has ranked him 14th in the cruiserweight division. If you're ranked even as low as 14, you are able to schedule a title fight and for it to be ordained by the WBA and that's

probably got to be the next evolution here. Is that what's next up that he's shot? Because if he actually tries to climb the ladder on the rankings he's gonna get his ass kicked and I think he needs to go straight to the top of the mountain. The WBA has opened that portal and I really think that's the only thing that's left for this. Jake Paul what what has it been? Eight years of this? Of him like doing this thing? It's a good run. You say, you'd be right in saying that Jake Paul, his ascent is one of the most unusual stories in boxing. But to me, almost as surprising as the entirety of that story is that it didn't get derailed when he lost. It's weird, right?

It's weird. He lost to a guy that was probably the toughest test in terms of age and boxing acumen. He lost and then he just kept being successful. I don't know if it's as successful, certainly with the Mike Tyson thing, that was a huge bonanza. That represents the greatest of the successes.

Fighting live on Netflix against Tyson represents him arriving at the greatest of his successes after losing a fight. People have to be reminded that he lost that fight. That was one of the rare fights that was just on ESPN+. They sweep that one under the rug. Tommy Fury is how good? How good?

I got no idea how good any of these celebrity types or boxing adjacent to anybody that fights Jake Paul is. I really don't. I have no idea how good any of these celebrity types or or boxing adjacent anybody that fights Jake Paul is I really don't I have no way of knowing they don't really have other people to fight against the guy that he just beat was lost Anderson Silva a couple of fights ago, not in an MMA fight in a boxing fight and Anderson Silva is hella old. So I thought the conversation that we were having when we were on ESPN that is if Jake Paul loses, man, this whole thing is done, so he needs to choose wisely. He lost, and then he just went right back to the old parlor tricks of- Ranked, he's ranked! I don't know how this continues to work.

All right, but the part that you're surprised about is that people are still interested, right? Like that's where you're surprised about. Not that people are still interested. Because what else are they gonna be surprised about? That the whole thing continues to ride along as if he's a great boxer. It's just money, that's all it is. No, but if you're ranked 14th in the world, you've been legitimized by those rankings

more than you have been by anything you've done in your career so far in boxing. Those rankings, no matter what you think of boxing, making him someone who is in a weight class one of the top 15 fighters in the world brings him to a space he does not merit it's all attention based it's all based on dollars he will bring in it's all marketing he absolutely does not merit being one of the top 15 fighters in his weight class he's only there because of the amount of fame his name I'm just happy for an evolution on this because now the talking point when it comes to Jake Paul, I mean, he had the sideshow attraction with Mike Tyson, which largely the concern was is Mike Tyson going to die?

Because hell, Mike Tyson almost died in training for that fight. Now the talking point for Jake Paul is this is kind of getting old, right? No one's really watching these fights anymore. No one's watching. I don't think you can say that, Mike. I don't know who, like they had, the Club World Cups going on with the zone, so maybe more eyes got to this fight.

He has his legion of fans, I get that, but I don't see the growth model with getting the layman. The casual sports fan that's like, yeah, I'm not gonna fall for this. If you're gonna get me to fall for this, dig up a danger holy field or something like that. I think the next logical step in this tale is for him to finally get a title fight,

and that'll be big, and that'll be a worthy hype train. He gets a title fight, and then he'll promptly get his ass kicked. I'm with Mike. I watched the Tyson one. Didn't have any interest in the last one. It would have to be, I'll check it out. I'm interested in it and following it,

but tuning into the fight, it's gotta be another big name. Yeah, but you guys have this wrong though. You have it wrong on a couple of fronts. One, when Mike says nobody's watching, you can't have Netflix Live Tyson that recently and tell me nobody's watching. Yeah, we all watch that one. Okay, but the other thing that I think

that you have wrong is. But did you watch any of the other fights leading up to that? No, the one that stuck out was the one with Tyson and there was a morbid curiosity. I didn't even know the last one was happening. He's had like six since he's lost and I don't know how many of them

have even garnered national attention. This is the part that you have wrong though, okay? You just skipped merrily past when you said he's got his legion of fans. He can get people outside of that, that's fine. But we are- I can't aim another cruiserweight. We are in the age, go ahead and read that Tony, 10 day Tony pod description again.

We are in the age of brand management, marketing, and it's not merit-based. It's do you have your own legion of fans and can we stack on top of that? This is happening throughout the throughout the content industry if you have a legion of fans in boxing. You're a spectacle or if you have such a thing and this is how it is that he has climbed and the fact that he's been legitimized by a top 15

ranking is insulting to any rankings that have ever been put forth in this spot. I'm happy exists because I like how he goes at Dana White. I like how he touts fair pay for fighters. I like what he does with some of the cards, especially when it comes to women's boxing and women's combat sports. I dig it. I think it is a spectacle, but I'm bored of it. I acknowledge the spectacle that it is. I will also tell you I've seen three of his fights and only one recently, and that's because I wanted to see if Mike Tyson was gonna die in the ring or not.

I understand that you and Chris were bored, but you guys do understand a bit here that you've aged out, and so has Jake Paul. So has Jake Paul on where youth influence is. He also has been around long enough that he's aged out some with young people But you do realize that as dads you're not the demo. No, but young people's not boxing's demo Yeah, I think as dads we are I think I think I'm like

You think Stu gots his daughters watched him fight Chavez jr. I don't like so I'm saying that the demo that Jake Lem Jake Paul is bringing is a younger, different than boxing demo. No doubt. And that's why he's ranked number 14. No doubt, but we're a sports show and we've referenced a spectacle. I'm running out of ways to talk about this guy. I'm grateful for this new evolution in it,

for him to be ranked. And also part of me is hoping that, all right, can we be about done with that? Because I feel like we've done this for a long time. So what's the play if you're Jake Paul though? I don't think you got to go to the top. No, I don't think you fight one time though. You think, because you think you risk it all.

It's an all or nothing bet. I'm going to go ahead and say, I'm going to get exposed right now by fighting the best in one fight for one last punctuation spectator. Here's what I'm saying. I don't think he's ever gonna have another opportunity to fight for a title, picking the fights that he did. Maybe he can keep climbing the rankings,

fighting tomato cans that lose to Anderson Silva. He can. But if he wants to actually, like at that point, I know it's boxing and he's already ranked, but this is a joke. If he's not actually gonna go through any other ranked boxers and just keep climbing because you got to fight number one you gotta go straight to number one would he do that in boxing throughout history what you do is you line up your

guy who can't fight against tomato cans to continue to make the money stay ranked and don't ever get exposed just keep doing pay-per-view spectacles because all you are is a spectacle you don't actually have to finally test it until you're done with the money train until it's your last bet I actually think I can make an argument that no matter what happens even if he gets his ass kicked in a title fight the hype for him actually getting a legit title fight with a merit of actually being ranked will be an infusion into his brand into the mainstream again people that follow boxing.

He loses that fight, gets his ass kicked by whoever the champion is. He can go right back, as he's already shown with the Tommy Fury laws, that he can go right back to fighting people that are related to more famous boxers. I know you say you're getting tired of talking about it. What division is he again? Is it cruiserweight? Cruiserweight.

Like what other cruiserweights in the top 15 are you? We're not talking about any of them. Right. So that's the point. What other boxers are you talking about? So I know you're tired of talking about Jake Paul. You're not talking about any of them. Well, how can I break down a fight of like, all right, he's facing, you know,

Julio Cesar Chavez's grandson. I don't know. I'm not going to watch. It's not doing anything for me. Mike Tyson, okay cool. I think it's more about you not being a huge boxing guy. No, I like boxing fights. I like, if you have a super heavyweight clash or if I pay attention to boxing Twitter,

which I do and they say, hey, this is a good fight. I watch boxing. If it's on, I like watching boxing. There hasn't been like big fights to get people excited for, but I grew up in a generation where you'd go to a house party. Yes, me too.

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According to TechRadar, a quarter million buys Dazon got for this recent Paul Chavez Jr. fight. That feels unbelievable. A quarter million, 250,000 people bought that Jake Paul fight on Dazon. Who else is on that card? Like it could have been.

No one else is on that card. No one else is being advertised. They had obviously an undercard, but no one was being talked about there. Is that all Club World Cup? That just feels. According to Tech Radar, they they had obviously an undercard, but no one was being talked about there. Is that all Club World Cup? That just feels... According to TechRadar, they don't actually release the buys, but that's...

Okay, but Legion of Fans, again... Wait, they don't release the buys, they just made up the number? Yes, they just say the number. A lot of people do make up ratings these days. The ratings are less trustable than they have been in a long time in general, but you cannot say that Jake Paul does not have a legion of fans.

I don't think anyone said that. I said clearly he has his legion of fans. But there they are right there though, is what I'm saying. Anytime you can pop up on a pay-per-view, this was- I will eat a hat if 250,000 people bought that on Dezone. I will straight up eat a hat. Because where they're getting that number

is straight from Dezone, and I don't believe it Well, go ahead and reach out to skipper. He used to run the zone So go ahead and read you know what the zones gonna say 250,000 people on when we like, okay Let me wait that hot shot to skipper. He doesn't work for the zone anymore. Maybe he will believe us stand by that report They're not that number is all internal. They're not gonna release the actual number. I alright I don't how did a quarter million people buy this fight individually and no one we know actually watch cost 59.99 I don't even know anyone in the in the YouTube chat. It says I'll be honest. I don't know anyone that ordered it Okay, but you guys are dads

No, I am I think I would consider myself as somebody who has followed and been interested in this Jake Paul, like rise. You are the prototypical Jake Paul Mark for buying this. Don't young people have to ask their dad to buy it? Put it on the poll at LeBittard Show. Jake Paul's demo, 20 to 30 or 30 to 40 at LeBittard Show. What are we arguing?

That his fans are younger? What I'm arguing is that Chris and Mike are bad people to be speaking on behalf of this because they're not actually the demo that would buy that pay-per-view. Chat, if you bought it let us know please. Let us know if you bought this. I'm gonna try to do a straw sample here. Okay again though I would say that it skews younger. Jake Paul is an influencer, used to be an influencer who's more popular before he's lost some of that but over the last eight years i would say that people who are jake paul fans

are largely jake paul's age i would say that after forty a whole lot of people don't know anything about jake paul anything at all about jake paul because he's an internet phenomenon he's not he's not a phenomena he's a new kind of phenomenon i shouldn't say it's that new anymore but i don't know how i feel about you calling us all

but i'm out of it too i'm not i'm out of the demo to this isn't my demo i've objected to this on the grounds that boxing is great and he isn't like i'm offended that this is allowed to happen even having seen it happen a bunch of times in boxing, with just the big white guy who gets just thrown out there and then all of a sudden he's a draw because somebody wants to see either the allowed racism of Mexicans against black people

or white people against black people that we can celebrate as part of boxing and wrestling and some of the nonsense that we still hold onto. Returns are still early in our straw poll here in the comment section. Not a single yes, I ordered this fight. But we have an older audience. In fairness, someone did say they stole the fight. So that person saw it, but no one has ordered it.

That's why those random numbers show up, by the way, if you watch stuff on Bizzone. They illegally streamed it. I'm actually not sure that our audience would be the demo for Jake Paul in any way given that you just gave praise for Jake Paul being progressive in some of the boxing stuff he did but Jake Paul's past is littered with a bunch of stuff that's the opposite of that. Dan respectfully we're sports fans that buy premium live events for big time sporting events. We are the people he should be appealing to. Okay Mike respectfully Jake Paul. Oh I don don't believe this is gonna be respectfully.

When you counter back respectfully, that's not respectfully. I don't believe you're respectful. Respectfully, like, you seem to know everything about erotic. We're the people that buy this stuff. How many Jake Paul fights have you bought? I saw the Netflix one, and I saw the ones on Triller, and I saw the ESPN Plus one at a bar

when he lost to Tommy Fury. So I think in all, probably in the neighborhood of four, he's had what? Close to a dozen of these. I'm not falling for it because it's not, it's not good or interesting to me. There have been a handful of times where it has been and it's either a circus part of a larger card with the Triller stuff that was happening around the pandemic was hilarious. Or I think he's actually going to lose. I would like to see him fight and go through

the promotion for a big time title fight. And I actually think he'll come out a winner no matter what there because it is a winning story. It is basically a YouTuber rocky type of story. I think his celebrity will grow and I think it'll give an infusion to him doing this sideshow attraction He does on the side after he promptly gets his ass kicked. Zazlo, I haven't noticed yet. You have either concealed it very well or You're somebody who is an expert in all things

But I have not yet seen where some of your sports weaknesses are in the doing of this show. Are you a baseball person? Like, do you care at all whether Clayton Kershaw got to 3,000 strikeouts last night? The big story of sports last night was celebrating this number that I don't think means anything to anybody anymore except for Clayton Kershaw and Tim Kirkjie and the most die hard of baseball people but 3,000 strikeouts, does it mean anything to you, to Billy, I would ask Jeremy here, but he's too busy lying about not talking to crew chiefs.

The strikeouts thing doesn't mean as much to me now. Stan Van's in doubt. Yeah, I'm Van out, I'm Stan Van out. It doesn't mean as much to me because now with the way the game's played, it's all home runs and strikeouts. There isn't a whole lot of in-between So, you know, I think we got to look at it within that context Kershaw getting to 3,000 Are you guys surprised at all that Randy Johnson has about 2,000 more strikeouts than Clayton Kershaw?

Clayton Kershaw has been pitching for so long. I feel like Nolan Ryan at 2,000 this season. I'm gonna look that up. Yeah, it's true. The Dodgers haven't been that good this year and yet they're nine games up or eight and a half games up on the Padres. No, they haven't been though. They're over 100s, 104 and a half wins on the season. They haven't actually been as good as they should be

but they're eight and a half games up on the Padres. You're so right about this becoming an all or nothing thing though. The skill level and it's not just, be but they're eight and a half games up on the Padres. You're so right about this becoming an all or nothing thing though. The skill level and it's not just, I will say the skill level is not just all strikeouts and home runs. Every single day I'm watching an outfielder climb the fence to steal a home run and I'm like how is this how how how's the defense up the middle so good for the Cubs? Where I'm I just can't believe that every time I'm watching a baseball highlight I'm seeing a center fielder climb the fence yesterday

I saw somebody do it and their glove wasn't even in the right place like it should have been Stretched out here, and then he's like on the fence He's like here, and he catches it over near his elbow in a way that I'm like how the hell are these guys this? Athletic I want to catch with his bare hands like the in Major League. Kevin Mitchell did that in a game. That's awesome. He did? I gotta see this. Oh, Mike, this, hold on a second.

I not know this, cause that's like my era. Guys, go ahead and get the video, please. I wanna watch this together. Mike, don't look it up on your phone. I wanna watch this together here, and I want people to find Kevin Mitchell. Do you know the play I'm talking about? No.

Okay. I mean, I know Kevin Mitchell. Do you know the play I'm talking about? No. Okay. I mean, I know Kevin Mitchell. I have said before that Jose Kinseko is the greatest play in baseball history. The ball bouncing off of his head and going for a home run. Mike, did you cheat and you looked at it? Look, I know you said they gotta find it, but I'm just trying to put it in the video

done so they can find it quickly. I have not seen the video, I just seen a still, and the still is incredible. No, the still is incredible. The still is incredible The video is even better. I don't know how he did it. We might only be able to put the still up All right, we're gonna look at it next but honestly just for punctuation here respectfully Mike Hey friends, it's Jarrah bear here and I'm here to tell you all about boost mobile, which is now a legit nationwide 5g network So I must take a break from the jokes here for a second

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