The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Stories From An NFL Shower

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

Dan is up to his old tricks creating tensions between two members of the show as he sparks a debate between Andrew Hawkins and Izzy about Izzy's naked hot tub habits. If you shower before getting into a hot tub, are you good? Izzy has all the answers about how sweat and pores work. Then, Dion Dawkins of the Buffalo Bills wants there to be an offensive lineman of the year award and we complete the investigation about whether or not Hawk called Larry Bird boring. Plus, how much money could Travis Hunter make if he came back to college? Also, Mike has an update on former Miami Hurricanes quarterback Tyler Van Dyke and why he is transferring to SMU, Pete Carroll is coming back to the NFL, and Taylor wants Mike Florio to keep his coach's name out of his mouth. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not gonna apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there.

That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face and the habitual liar. This episode of the Dan LeBatault show with Stugatsi is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Put it on the pole please, Juju. Would the six-win Wizards win 50 games with Jokic on their team? Six wins is what the Wizards have, they are dreadful. I have a number of different videos

that I would like to play for the audience, but first, Andrew Hawkins, I think, I feel like wants to attack Izzy. Mike Ryan is accusing me of creating tensions everywhere and that he asked me if I'm doing a bit, but this is you volunteering something during the break about Izzy, so you might as well take it up with him. I don't think you'm doing a bit. But this is you volunteering something during the break about Izzy, so you might as well take it up with him.

I don't think you're doing a bit. I think you're just genuinely attacking the character of people within the room, that's number one. Number two, Izzy, it was asked in a NFL locker room about if guys are naked going into the cold plunge in the hot tub. That is a findable offense in a locker room. Now granted it is a workplace and it's not Europe.

So that's an important asterisk in the conversation. But if a guy got in the cold tub, in the hot tub, naked, they would be banned by the rest of the players. And it doesn't make quite, it doesn't quite make sense because you're just wearing tights. It doesn't actually do anything different, but I just think the idea that it doesn't quite make sense because you're just wearing tights. It doesn't actually do anything different but I just think the idea that it makes you feel like there's more germs entering if a naked body

is going into those spaces. The balls are going too. I don't think you understand how water works, right? This actually happened to me when I was doing this and everybody was in the sauna and still could see me, I went from the sauna to the cold plunge to the whirlpool without showering in between, right? I showered before and then I had this,

I wanna say German gentleman, could've been Austrian, come up to me as I was in the whirlpool while other people were kinda standing around sort of kerning me saying, excuse me, next time if you could please take a shower. I was like, well thank you, one of the people who work here never told me to do that. I took a shower beforehand,

and also I'm not sure you know how sweat works, right? Because it's not like it just comes out dirty, and if I get into the whirlpool, I'm going to sweat anyway whether I took a shower or not. Sorry, I'm just taking it out on this dude. You know what, I think I'm with him. I think I need my mind to be relaxed, to say okay, you at least washed something off

and you got in with a clean body into the space. Otherwise it feels like you're cleaning your body in the shared space. But we're all in the shared space supposedly clean beforehand. Again, this is a matter of not knowing how pores work Okay, so you you showered before you got in I mean thoroughly he has accused you of knowing my character is being assassinated Everything is being my intellect you don't know how pores or water work and cover your balls

Please cover your balls. I mean can we put that? water work and cover your balls please cover your balls I mean that's could we put that boy in the door no if I cover them with my hands would that make you happy no it feels like you're trying to do a photo shoot or something the other thing that gets on my nerves at NFL locker rooms and this is where you can't you got to be naked I just want to remind people I was not in doing this in an NFL locker room I was doing he was playing for the Indianapolis Colts and he was naked in both the cold plunge and hot tub and refused to shower before, in the middle, or after.

But I hate that NFL locker rooms have shared showers. It makes no sense. I think I've brought that up on this show before. These are billion dollar organizations. We should not be showering like it's 1920 in the military. You are so right about this. They don't even do that at Bonnaroo. It doesn't make any sense.

These are like multi-millionaires who then have to all get naked and go into the same shower. There are times where guys share showerhead because there's not enough showerheads in What? Visiting locker rooms. What? Yes.

Tell me more. It's like, you're like, I have to go in and then it's like oh you done Okay, cool, and then you jump in because there's seven showerheads for 73 people But it's ridiculous is that shared showerheads because right now what what you just created for me is I've got Oh, I've got Deon Dawkins and Josh Allen under the same showerhead at the same time. And so the visual you've created. Can I, I'm gonna tell you exactly how this works. You go into a space, let's say we're playing

at the Buffalo Beals, who have the worst visiting locker room in the NFL, there's half the showerheads don't work, and there's like nine, right? Again, there's 70 of us. So either everybody showers one at a time, and we leave at four in the morning or Showers are just hitting the ground and Dion Dawkins is on one side Josh Allen is on the other careful. You're writing fanfiction, right?

So it's soaking up and then one gets in leaves It's like basically you share and go back and forth. That can't be right. I'm telling you, bro. That can't be right. People like different temperatures of shower. No, man. Half the time there's no hot water, Dan.

It doesn't matter what, this is literally almost like prison. It doesn't make any sense. It is such a simple ask. Like in every gym you go to, right? There's walls between showers. I would argue I want full walls between urinals. They build new stadiums and facilities every year,

and they have so many upgrades. They have LED, LCD screens, video walls. Well, the visiting locker room is made bad on purpose, is it not? It's a home locker room, too. They do all these upgrades, but yet every single time, the shower heads are right next to each other with no curtain, no divider.

I see your feet. Like, it's ridiculous, man. It is. You are out here giving us access that we have not had before. You worked with the Players Association, right? No one listens to me, man. All right, Miami Home Locker Room

is the second worst thing about Miami. Okay, you've written that down as well. Thank you. I really do just enjoy creating, mixing and matching, just putting Laramie Tunsell next to CJ Stroud and just both of them just showering under the same, and CJ saying, that's a little warm, I'd like it a little colder,

what you're describing doesn't make sense. The crazy part is, as you're saying it in this way where it sounds so ridiculous, it doesn't register in my brain as ridiculous because it literally is the reality. You lived it. You're just telling a fact. Can you give me the name of somebody

that you were bothered because they were just a little too comfortable with their nudity in the locker room? It was excessive. You don't need to be prancing. For the record, I did not give Dan this list of questions. Gotta be a lot of them. There is nobody, I can't think of anyone that was like, oh, they're too comfortable being nude in the locker room

because you're there all day. It is what it is. There are people that are too comfortable in the shower. Like there's a protocol that needs to be followed. Like for example, we're all in there naked. Everyone showers facing the wall. And then you got guys that'll shower facing out. Like that's just not the protocol

or face timing in the shower. We have players who will be face timing their wife or girl in the shower and it's like, hey man, we gotta draw the line somewhere. This is not the proper place to be having a conversation with somebody else. This person was fined, no? Like this can't happen on the regular.

Nah, he was not fined. He was he was not fine you didn't answer my question yeah you avoided my question what was your question naming someone who who was too comfortable I thought it was clear what Hawkins was doing that's okay if he doesn't want to play the game that's fine I'm just gonna call him out in front of everybody for not playing the game and I I'm going to re-ask the question. Because he didn't answer the question. You played for Pat Shermer, right? Did he ever say anything ever that excited you?

I didn't play for Pat Shermer. No? Shermer was before me. Yeah. OK. Did you hear Pat Shermer's stories about, man, that guy was like a real firecracker? No, I have not heard a Pat Shermer story.

Can we play for the people? I'm not also outing people that are too comfortable in the locker room. That's what you want me to do. I have avoided the question on purpose. Okay, I don't need their mentions to be blowing up. Right, I just don't think of it as, I understand the locker room is sacred.

I just thought perhaps you had a friendship with somebody and because insults can be the language of intimacy among men, that maybe there would be somebody, yes, I've made fun of this person because he likes to swagger or waddle through the locker room. I gotta correct chat GPT real quick. They're supposed to cure cancer and they don't know when Pat Shermer was coaching the Browns.

Okay, so he's pretty stubborn. He will indeed look up things until he proves that your memory is wrong on who you played for. No, no, no, I'm trying to get the computers to take over. If I was the guest, I would say Shermer was 2011 to 2013. I really don't know why Mike decided to bring this to a patch. I was like, I wanted to ask about,

I was trying to get him away from the thing that you want to answer. No, I appreciate it. And then chat GPT, I asked, hey, did Hawkins ever play for Pat Shermer? And they were like, yeah, he did. And I'm like, you stupid computer. The sound and the video that I have here,

because I've got an assortment of videos that I want to play for you. But we mentioned Deon Dawkins. And he showed up at a game, which this struck me as odd, and a bit primal. Just showed up at the game, did the walk that everybody does in the nice clothes, shirtless. And Deion Dawkins is 300 and something odd pounds,

and he's a wonderful lineman. And he's making an argument here on behalf of something, and I wanna see if you would agree with this from Deion Dawkins' video. Do you have that sound, please? Okay, you do not have Deion Dawkins, and Roy has left the room for some reason. At any point that you guys want to give me

that Deion Dawkins sound, you let me know, because Deion Dawkins is arguing on behalf of, he wants an offensive lineman of the year. He wants somebody, I assume it's offensive lineman, I think it may be offensive or defensive lineman. It would make sense that it would be offensive lineman, I think it may be offensive or defensive lineman. It would make sense it would be offensive lineman because defensive lineman can be defensive players of the year offensive lineman would never. So let me hear that sound real quick, please.

That is a part of this league to be able to get an award for being great. And I'll circle back on, you know, offensive lineman don't have awards for being great. You know, there's not a protector of the year award. I'm knocking at so many doors now to get this award going. And I'm going to head spirit and make sure that this gets done before I'm done playing because so many greats, there's so many greats. And if we have great quarterbacks, we have great running backs, we have

rushing titles, we have quarterback passing titles. All those titles are reflections of the old linemen, which are the protectors. Okay, couple of questions. Number one, what did him walking into the stadium shirtless have to do with anything? We were talking about guys who were comfortable with their nudity.

Okay, so there was a segue. All right, I didn't see the connection between that and the- But you did understand all the Pat Shermer questions you were getting for some reason. It's a Browns fan. As much as he says he's not, I know what's in his heart. I know exactly where Pat Shermer came from. I was trying to move the conversation along and guess who brought it right back. Who brought it? So the lineman of the year war. First off, Deion Dawkins is, he's an interesting offensive lineman because he gives you receiver energy. And you don't typically, there are offensive linemen

like that, but he is a very much like, hey, look at me, you know? Because that's how receivers are. I'm shirtless. Yeah, exactly. Look at me perhaps when I'm nude in the locker room. I'm very good, you know? I look at my clothes, look how dope I dress.

I will take my shirt off. He wants the attention for how good he is. So this makes sense and I'm okay with that Another part that that just came to me. Yokich is like an offensive lineman in the NBA That is his personality the way yokage goes about his business life is Like kind of the O line that they're like, hey where it's a thankless job It is I'm just here to do what I need to do and then I'm going home to Probably my farm or my tractors or my horses, which is kind of how it is So rare for an offensive lineman to seek attention. No, it's not it doesn't come along with the territory It's actually like when people scout offensive lineman

They look for one to understand that they're a unit You're like you are a thankless job. Like you make one bad play and that's the only time you'll ever be talked about even though you have a 99% success rate. That is how it works. I don't understand how it's taken this long for somebody to bring this up.

Like it's such an obvious void that's been there. It is the one area of that sport that doesn't get rewarded. Everything else can be. Even in, I mean, in college, do they have that at the Home Depot Awards? Do they have, I think it's the Home Depot. They have Outland. Yep, the Outland.

It's interior lineman, right? So in the NFL, absolutely. It's an entirely different situation. And please stop doing that to Jokic. If an offensive lineman could throw the ball, catch the ball, intercept the ball, and then I would maybe make that comparison. I just mean personality-wise.

He has the personality of an offensive lineman. Hawkins and I aren't disagreeing with you guys. We get it. We understand. It's just, you know. He's just got no energy to him. There's nothing there. But I don't think he's watching that many Nuggets games.

I'm just gonna say it. I'm not watching any games, because it's on his watch. Which is a problem. I'm telling you now, I'm not watching a lot of Nuggets games. I'll see them when they're in the playoffs, like everybody else. But the ratings say that that makes sense. But what you and Mike are saying though

is really offensive to just people who really love basketball. Okay, so sorry. Okay. Be better. It was as if I started watching Patrick Mahomes this year and him winning these close games and like, he's doing some things,

but I'd be like, he's okay, but I have no context for that. That is not true. We opened this with who's better, Michael Jordan or Jokic, and it's crazy that I said Michael Jordan. Now I'm insane because I fell for the Nike marketing since I've been six. Mike Ryan just said of Jokic, be better. No, I said of the sport be better

okay you put a lot of words and a lot of miles today they well let's go to an investigation here let's go because andrew hawkins we now finally have the video here of this andrew hawkins investigation there seem to be a slight bias here where he said larry bird was boring as a player as well so if you guys can please get me the proof. He is claiming that Izzy was the one who mentioned Larry Bird, that it is not him who brought up Larry Bird and he cannot be accused of bias here. Let's hear the sound. Let's see the investigation.

But when you watch it, it is not exciting the way that we've been taught to be excited about people playing basketball. That's why Michael Jordan has that kind of thing over him is because we had never seen somebody move like that on a basketball court. About Larry Bird. Also boring. So you're a racist. Can we go back and check the tape again

of when I already said that I'm the one who brought it up and that you're the one who called him boring? Run that tape back. I didn't even, I couldn't even remember it. Dan had me so flustered with the fact that he was giving it to me that I'm the one who called him boring, run that tape back. I didn't even, I couldn't even remember it. Dan had me so flustered with the fact that he was giving it to me that I'm the one who brought up Larry Bird. I had no idea who even brought it up.

Can we find you for this, Dan? Put it on the poll at Lebatard Show. Venmo it. Cover your balls, yes or no, at Lebatard Show. Put it on the poll. Only the balls. Well, but you, look, you cannot walk from the sauna to the whirlpool and make no stops

and no cares about anything. I'm with Hawk on this. And I understand, and it's not because I don't understand how pores work, and it's not because I don't understand how water works. Balls are buoyant. It's, put it on the pole at Levittard Show, are balls buoyant?

And also put it on the pole, is the league dying on J balls buoyant and also put it on the pole is the league dying on Yokiches? Come on It is come on it is You can't go straight from the sauna To the whirlpool nude in front of people. They're not even in the same building. Maybe maybe if it's only Maybe if it's only your sauna and only your whirlpool, you can do that one. They were connected by a walk bridge.

He went from one building to the next, and I don't know, pours now? This is ridiculous. Walk bridge, it's just Izzy striding. He didn't even dry off. He just. I showered before, it's okay. What the hell are you doing, man? Just shouting at anyone who will listen.

I showered this morning. You don't know how water works. You don't know how pores work. You don't know how towels work. I'm clean. Don't tell me to cover my balls. I didn't say any of those things. You did say.

There was also not a bridge, it was just a glass door. It's ridiculous. Hey Jeremy. Yes Mike? Have you ever had a fireside conversation during a football Sunday during the winter? Sure. We don't have a lot of fireplaces down here, but I've had the premise of it. I wish I could, but it's South Florida. When it gets down to the 60s, we're like, we're bundled up, but certainly no fireplaces. Still too warm for that. But we do have our football Sundays.

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He gives him one of these, and he gives him one of those. This is the Don LeVarTar Show with the StuGuts! ["The Stuguts Theme"] I want to get Hawk's thoughts on something else here. Travis Hunter is saying something and this is funny to think about right because Travis Hunter was we had video of him in his kitchen with all of the awards and I would be for every position getting an award. I'd like to know every year who's the best

cornerback. Please tell me every year. You know is it Patrick Sardin? Is it Stingley? Like I'd to know. Somebody tell me who gets the award for being the best cornerback. But Travis Hunter, who may be the number one overall pick. I don't know. Shador was teasing Cam Ward here last night saying that Travis is going to be the number one pick. Well, the Titans seemingly kind of, I watched the clip and I'm like, did they give away who they're taking number one? Because they hinted at a generational talent, which is why Shador and Cam had their generational talent debate, but it kind of felt like they tipped their hand

a little bit with Travis Hunter, which is the whole Tennessee thing is weird. I theorized when Lewis Riddick was campaigning and Deion Sanders was campaigning, oh, Rand Carthons out, that's a big opening. And then I talked to people close to the situation. Are you familiar with the power dynamic in Tennessee? It's weird.

Rand Karthon brought in an assistant GM in Chad Brinker. Rand Karthon then signed an extension. And he agreed to a whole new power dynamic that had his assistant GM surpass him in the corporate hierarchy and become president of football operations. Now, I've done some digging. It seems as though something was planted in someone's ear

and ran Carthons out, and the guy that's still there was the guy that he brought in as his assistant GM. So any kind of pipe dreams of Shador Sanders and Lewis Riddick and all that, I found out very quickly after I theorized that, that no, Brinkerson control over there. And he ran out the guy that brought him in. So Travis Hunter, here's the sound on him talking

about how little money Cam Ward was getting and how prices are rising all over the sport. How's all these people getting this much money, bruh? Like this NIL market, you see like it resets every four months. Oh, let me go test it out, bruh. I'm finna go test it out, bruh. Let me go test it out. I'm gonna go test it out Let me go

Let me see if I get me a honeymoon Let me see you let me see my Let me see if I can go back and you know, what another house man and cuz 10 million dollars ain't make that in college right Let me negotiate. Let me go get on make that in college right let me negotiate let me go get on the phone hey Travis I'm gonna hit the border right quick bro $10 million bro I mean it's not accurate I know that but like still like bro right well that part it's not accurate I know that but still and also Travis if I may ages they're different Carson Begg is two years older than you, so that's out.

If you wanna make $10 million, you can come back to school. Would Miami take him, you think? I guarantee you if Travis Hunter came back to school, he'd get that number. If he were 23, the way Carson Beck is 23, he'd get that inaccurate number. This feels like every music biopic for music artists when at the point they like,

wait a minute, let me see that contract. And it's like way too late. He's like, I wasn't getting that. It's like, whoa. They pay SEC winning quarterbacks more money than corners, huh? There is so much weird stuff going on all around this sport. Was it an East Carolina punter who's 31 who just entered the portal?

There was a punter somewhere. What is happening with Van Dyke? So Van Dyke leaves Miami, goes to Wisconsin, and now he goes to SMU. I thought that was gonna be better in Wisconsin than it was, and SMU already has a playoff quarterback. They have a playoff quarterback who totally short-circuited in Happy Valley.

I guess, shout out to that game day atmosphere, because I was watching that game and wondering, is this guy on the take? I haven't seen someone unravel like that in quite some time. But Tyler Van Dyke, I haven't Googled it or asked chat GPT, but I'm assuming he's 38 years old. He looks it. So Tyler Van Dyke transfers to SMU. Makes sense in that. Rhett Lashley is the head coach there. He's the offensive coordinator down here in Miami when Tyler Van Dyke had his best year when he put up a crazy stretch. Was it seven games of 500 yards passing? It was just insane. So he goes to Wisconsin, tears his ACL in that Alabama game.

It wasn't going great for him in Wisconsin prior to. Honestly, the best he ever looked was that first drive against Alabama. It's a weird spot for him to go to. Does this mean that they're pushing out SMU starting quarterback? No, apparently not. The plan is for Tyler Van Dyke to essentially help with the offense. They have De'Erick King over there as a quarterbacks coach and they are building out their staff

and they essentially want Tyler Van Dyke to help coach while he rehabs that knee injury, get a medical redshirt and then the plan is for Tyler Van Dyke to help coach while he rehabs that knee injury, get a medical red shirt, and then the plan is for Tyler Van Dyke, who I think was starting during COVID, to play next year as QB1. That's crazy. I love it. Give guys all the eligibility.

Let them just keep playing. It's professional football now. Let's see these long careers. Let's see these 10 year careers. What do you make of what Quinn Ures did? Because Quinn Ures, I guarantee you, would have made way more money going back to college. But he decided to go to the pros.

And I've talked to people that are in the scouting departments in the NFL. It's not a great quarterback class. We'll see how he does. But right now, they have a mid-round grade on the guy. There's no way he commands what he would have in the NIL space, which is definitely in the neighborhood of seven million, eight million dollars. Do you think he stays the quarterback there next year

if he stayed at Texas? No, he definitely wasn't gonna play again at Texas. Right. Definitely wasn't gonna play again at Texas. And let me tell you a little something about this whole transfer portal thing and the tampering. Happen to know, happen to know? Let me tell you something.

Every agent in America that represents a college athlete worth a damn has reached out to every school in the nation. Every agent in America that represents a college athlete worth a damn has reached out to every school in the nation. This notion, like Wisconsin, tampering, like you have no idea the names that are reaching out to schools all across the nations that never actually enter the transfer portal that just raise their own value in between.

So there is reverse tampering, if there is anything like that. There is no way Quinn Uors was going to say at Texas because he had Arch Manning behind him. Quinn Uors' representation definitely knew that. That's how you get the reports out there of what his market value is and what schools are willing to pay.

When he's not in the portal, how do we know this? Because the whole thing is shady because of the contract. What was leaked is that he would get $6 million of that he had a $6 million offer to not go to the contract. What was leaked is that he would get six million dollars or that he had a six million dollar offer to not go to the NFL. You're gonna now start, well, you already have college programs that will compete with the NFL to keep their players from going to the NFL.

East Carolina University's punter Luke Larson is officially entering the transfer portal following his fourth and now final year with the Pirates. At 32 years of age, Larson is officially the oldest player in both the transfer portal and college football. I would tell college players the same thing I tell all my nieces and nephews. Stay in college as long as you can.

The real world is not the business, man. It's a great place. College is awesome. How much would you pay to go back to college as to know what you know now and to just go back and get another year of college? Like you're putting out all that great Toledo tape and an SEC school comes sniffing around.

I don't think he's thinking about football though. I'm just talking about life. In totality, I think it's all. I'd maximize it all. I would put some bread up. I would put a lot of money up to go back and do it again. The fact that you were at Toledo Rocket hurt you, right? No, I don't think it did.

They didn't hurt you at the, like getting looks at the next level. If you were the same size, the quickest man on the planet, but you were doing so at Tennessee, it would have gone better for you, right? What hurt me was my coaches sucked. They kinda sucked.

And I wasn't like being showcased or anything like that, but it weirdly helped me because when it was time to get to the NFL, there was no history on me. So there was no like, oh, you know, you had these injuries and this and this, you didn't do this versus this. Nobody scouted me, so it was a blank slate,

which helped me actually get my opportunity Weirdly that's very weird right, but that is the truth Let me ask you this did you know your coaches sucked while they were sucking or did you have to get good coaching later to? realize your coaches sucked um That's I don't want to be harsh, but you already started where it's the truth about Mike. I'm sorry said that he sucked you know it was very much like I Did everything I was supposed to do I try I worked my butt off and I you know you feel crazy this is why I'm so like you feel crazy when you go through something and you

Have a confidence about yourself, and you you work at and you feel like man I feel like I'm good, but everything around me says otherwise So then when life happens, and you were the one who, I feel like I'm good, but everything around me says otherwise. So then when life happens, and you were the one who was effing right, then yeah, I don't give those people a pass, because I felt like a lunatic at that time that I could play in the NFL. And they told me I was a lunatic,

and people told me I was crazy, and then I'm here and it's like, oh, you persevered, it's like, kiss my ass, all right? Because those were hard years. So no, I don't give those guys a pass because I knew what it was then and I felt like they knew too But yet it I had to go the track that I had about Patton. I like Patton. Penn was a good. Yeah Yeah, he could be a good dude, but were there ever times you were in the huddle like I don't know about coach No, there was that he was a defensive coach and like he was like more focused here

We had Kyle Shanahan. You had Kyle and Mike McHale. Who was like, yeah, we're running the offense. And Petten was like, all right, cool. There's that viral clip of him suggesting an offensive play one time. And Kyle looks at him like, why are you talking to me? That was kind of what it was with Petten.

Petten was a great guy, great coach, more on the defense than the offensive side. I enjoyed Petton. You know, we weren't very successful. We worked for like 10 games. We went seven and four, which was significant in Cleveland. And then you put in Johnny. Then we put in Johnny and we made a documentary.

It's crazy. We made a 30 for 30, guys. It's crazy that Johnny played with Mike Evans. Put it on the poll, please, at Levitard Show. Does it surprise you at all that Andrew Hawkins is stubborn about his arrogance? Why don't you people realize that I'm great and belong in the NFL?

Clearly there's something wrong with all of you. I'm 5'7", 171, what are we missing here? Are you blind? You didn't watch Hunter Renfro at Clemson and been like, I could've killed that role. I would've killed that role if Clemson gave me a look. I know I'm not white like Renfro So I maybe wouldn't have had like the whole fan base behind me, but I would have just destroyed that role

Renfro? Renfro's a beast bro. He was great in college. I don't disrespect Renfro. I'm not disrespecting him I'm just saying you're better. Okay. I'm not gonna argue anybody because I'm bad at it, but Renfro is... Renfro? I like him. Boring. Wes Welker? Boring. No, those guys aren't boring. He says I'm better but Renfro is Renfro like them boring Special place in the NFL for all those Steve Largent we all love those guys No, Steve Largent was on the name a route after Wes Welker Eric Decker Welker's film is who I watched the most in that dicker getting to the NFL. I thought I said Decker Welker is actually to me even more underrated than what people say. They talk about Welker, I don't think people

actually understand how incredible he was from a technique perspective and all things. Why is he a great coach? I used to study his film religiously. Like every catch, every route, I would have them, my brother would get it from the Patriots, they would send it to me and I'm in Canada and I'm breaking down literally every, I stole so much from Welker. What is there to steal? Isn't it just quickness? You're either

quick or not, like you have to learn the footwork, yes, but if you're not that quick. No, I mean the quickness, whatever your ability is, is your ability, right? But it's not just like, it's not like you get talent out of a crackerjack box and because you have this talent, you get to be there. Wes Welker was extremely quick, but it's in the technique of what he does when he changes direction. It's understanding defensive rules,

defensive back rules, and everything, and changing what you do in your route to deceive. So one thing that Welker would do, he was great with, we call it his eyes and his head, and when he's going right, the timing of when he turned his head left, because he knew if the receiver sees me turn my head a certain way,

or my eyes a certain way within a route, they're gonna change their hips, and then at this point I'll be able to cut. I stole it all. Like I would make notes in literally every little piece of it. I don't think I would've made the NFL had I not had access to Wes Welker tape. One of my favorite stats that would illustrate to you

why it is the AFC East was what it was when the Patriots and Dolphins were both in it. Wes Welker, 50 career touchdowns. One of them for the Dolphins. Nice. One of them. I love that stuff. One of them for the Dolphins.

And here's his experience with his neighbors when he was a Dolphin. I just moved into a house and one of my neighbors said, you play for the Dolphins? I was like, yeah. He told me no one's born 12 last year. Ha ha ha. for the Dolphins? I was like, yeah. He told me no one's born 12 last year. He and I think it was Zach Thomas one time got confused outside of a restaurant with a valet

and somebody just handed Zach Thomas his car keys. What do you mean that happened? That happens routinely to me. You get handed car keys at a valet? Yes, I get handed car keys at a valet? Yes, I get handed car keys at a valet. I get, you know, hey, will you put this, do you guys have this in a size six? Is it because of how you dress?

This is while I was in the NFL. Wow. This is hey, you can't enter through here. Really, because I'm the starting wide receiver. Maybe you should call somebody. Routinely. What's the most embarrassing one you have there,. What's the most embarrassing one you have there? What's the most memorable one you have?

Routinely confused with the valet, someone just hands you a set of car keys. Because you're in settings where it's like, oh, there's so and so players are here, right? And so anybody who's not 6'6", 275 pounds, incredibly jacked, they must be here working. Because this is the entrance where only players can come in. And so the five, seven guy with a sweater,

pulling up in a 2006 Chevy Impala, they're just not gonna assume that, oh, here goes that superstar wide out that we got. But why did they think you were a valet person? Were you just hanging around the keys at an event and they would throw them at you? Yeah, because I'm standing in the front. I'm standing in the front.

I don't like how that makes me feel. Hey man, it's life, bro. I'm sorry, I feel like I should apologize. Nah, don't apologize, man. This is how it works, man. It's okay, I put it more to the fact that I am a very relatable size. It's a car stealing opportunity, is it, it's okay. I put it more to the fact that I am a very relatable size. It's a car stealing opportunity, is it not?

Of course, of course. I'm not saying I didn't think about it, is he? I'm just saying this is what happens. I just feel bad. Just making sure we're on the same page. Because of the racism. Because of the racism and all. Hawk, man, couple of D1 athletes.

Hey, you and me, where the hell did you just come from? Yeah, it's an excellent question. I wanted the shower conversation you guys were having earlier. The most alone I've ever felt is my first day as a college football player in that locker room when I realized people just didn't go home and shower and we all had to kind of shower there.

Also, Mike Florio, keep my head coach's name out your mouth, you're embarrassing yourself right now. Linking him to every job. All right, get out of here. I don't know why it is you're always around. Les Taylor is a life adage we should all live by. We were talking about coaches that suck so let's go to one that is viewed as the best there's ever been in college football. He did a really good revealing interview with the pivot.

Ryan Clark is doing a lot of good work and he's also fighting with everybody which I enjoy. Is his lapel getting bigger? Ryan Clark has evidently stepped publicly to Marcellus Wiley which seems unwise but Ryan Clark doesn't mind fighting with people. Saban former Toledo head coach by the way. I was surprised to hear Saban say this was his greatest regret they asked him about a coaching regret see if this one surprises you guys at all. When I left Ellis Ute, that was probably professionally the biggest mistake that I ever made. Not because we didn't have success in Miami, because I enjoyed coaching in Miami, but I found out in that experience that I like coaching in Miami. But I found out in that experience

that I like coaching in college better because you could develop players personally, academically, athletically, and all that, a little more than in pro ball. Even though I love the status of coaching in pro football and the kind of guys you coach and you're coaching in the best league against the best players, I loved all that.

So then I can't go back to LSU, go to Alabama, and no disrespect to Alabama, it's not Alabama versus LSU, it's just, Jimmy Sexton stood on the balcony when I was getting ready to leave LSU and make a decision about whether I went to Miami or stayed at LSU. And he said, what do you want your legacy

to be as a coach? Do you want to be Vince Lombardi or do you want to be Bear Bryant? And without hesitation, I said Bear Bryant. And he said, what are you doing going to Miami then? It's an interesting lack of self-awareness that Jimmy Johnson knew himself well enough that he's like i

will leave college i don't leave miami uh... it's my ego it's i need to test my ego against the best in the reason i bring this up is because uh... we're talking yesterday about something that i found fairly shocking which is dan hurley's argue with a referee uh... you cons basketball coach back-to-back champion clearly great and he says don't turn your back to me, I'm the best coach in the bleeping game.

If that's the ego of Hurley, what do you think the ego of Pat Riley is? What do you think the ego of Nick Saban is if that exists inside of Dan Hurley and gets spit out loud, can you explain to me these authority figures, the size of their egos after they have had success and where and why they have to test that ego

against the best? Because it's the only way to push yourself. You have to have a healthy amount of ego and everyone has their own opinion on what a healthy amount of ego is. When I saw Coach Hurley's thing, it didn't strike me at all. I loved it.

That he said it out loud and surprised you? It does not surprise me that when you're in the heat of battle, that is your mindset about yourself. I know the answer's more than anybody else. Nobody does this thing better than me. I'm not surprised that that's the mindset. I'm surprised that his rage made him speak it. He's in that. He's locked in. It's like an actor who is method acting. Like I am in this character. This is

who I am right now. So the fact that that is how he's approached every interaction at that stage does not surprise me. Whenever you're a character in a movie, it's okay this is who this person is and when I am locked in this is how I react. So you've heard of actors who now treat people on the set like the character would. They respond to everything whether the cameras on or off that's how I looked at Hurley. Is that yeah I want this ref to talk to me and in this character that I'm in and competition and being fierce don't you ever look away from me. I'm the best. Big breaking NFL news, Adam Schefter is reporting

that the Raiders and Pete Carroll are aiming to work on an agreement to make him their new head coach. Wow. That's where you give all the woos that you gave earlier about Larry Berkman. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I like it.

That's not a real song. I believe that Pete Carroll the bigger news there and Tom Brady returning to be his quarterback Player owner No, I'm just just speculating I think he has to divest Why is there no excitement for Pete Carroll being there? No, this is shocking. He's the oldest head coach in the league Tom Brady was controlling this job searches Diana Rusini told us and he's he's hired a coach that he beat in a Super Bowl Which is interesting the Raiders haven't won a playoff game in 22 years

Why doesn't anybody talk like we had played that saving clip and they said he said Jimmy Sexton asked him do you want to be Vince Lombardi or do you want to be Bear Bryant? At that point, Pete Carroll was dominating in USA. Why isn't Pete Carroll like one of these great comps? Because he did it in the college game and he did it in the pro game. That's a good question.

I think Pete Carroll, I don't know why Pete Carroll doesn't quite get that level of respect. Well, he lost a Super Bowl single-handedly. It was a bad loss. He blew out Payton. Blew him out. Blew him out and lost.

But he is single-handedly responsible for losing a Super Bowl. Like, when do you have those with a coaching decision that's that obvious? The game ends, Tom Brady's on the sideline, and Tom Brady has nothing to do with why it is the championships being won. Like, how often do you have a coaching decision

at the end of a game that's just like, yep, I'll remember forever that that coach made that decision? Are you saying that that's why he's not looked at that way, or you're saying that that's an indicator that he's not at the level with the other players? I am not tarnishing his legacy. I'm saying, if I say word association, Pete Carroll,

I don't know that people are going to one championships instead of lost championships. I don't think so. I think more people, I mean, me personally, I think yes, obviously you should have run the ball. I don't think that diminishes everything that he did. It's also was a great play. It was a great play by Malcolm Butler.

Yeah, D2 guy. I love that Pete Carroll, what he's done with USC, obviously, like we don't talk about it as probably much as we should, but also Seattle, even the decision to even have Russell Wilson as your quarterback was a tough decision to make in that situation. How old is he? Is Pete Carroll... Flynn had just got there with all the money they gave him. How old is... He was already the oldest coach when he was coaching, right? He's got to be in his late 70s. I would guess 73. I'm gonna guess slightly older than that. Hawkins is right on the money. Look at Hawkins right on the money. I may not know pores baby, but I had no age.

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