The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey; The 50-Cent Piece

Episode Date: September 18, 2024

Pablo Torre saved the day of Family Feud in in incredible fashion and our show still isn't over it. However, in typical Greg Cote fashion, he is simply not impressed and thinks his answer would have been better. Is there such thing as a 50-cent piece? That leads us to discuss how what Feud answers would be like if 100 Greg Cotes were surveyed. Plus, Stugotz has questions about the Feud in general. Then, David Samson joints the show to discuss the new Aaron Hernandez show written by Domonique Foxworth, Shedeur Sanders as a celebrity in Boulder and Tennessee's new ticket pricing fiasco. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That if they're just there that hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face and the habitual liar. This is what I would like to present to you guys, because you specifically, Amin and Greg. Because yesterday we did something, and I want to analyze this and basically the culture

that we have here that I believe can be a feeding frenzy of negativity We have seen and Tony can speak to this as someone who loves Billy and hates Billy We live in an environment where people will not only seize on your mistakes. They will and this is strange for teamwork Enjoy the failures of their teammates more than the successes of their teammates. Put it on the pole please, Juju. Do you enjoy the failure of your teammates more than the successes of your teammates? The reason I bring all of this up is I want to play for you again from yesterday what I believe to be the dream scenario in my favorite game show of all time, Family

Feud. A friend of ours had the dream scenario. They were awful all game. This was an epically bad game. But at the end, Pablo Torre rushes in and feels so good that he seems like Russell Crowe and Gladiator in terms of confidence, are you not entertained, when he's standing next to Steve Harvey after saying thank you John Legend

is something that he just said. In the middle of his star bleeping celebrity life, he is winning here and I felt that this clip, which I got a vicarious thrill from, that no one here was happy for him. You need 37 points. Name a coin you throw into a fountain to make a wish. You said the penny.

Yes. Survey said. Oh my god. Why? No! No! No! No! No! Penny!

Penny was the number one answer! I want to ask Amin and Cody why it was that I got nothing that seemed like happiness for someone that we care about around here. Well, I think first of all, why is Pablo wearing a suit? He's not hosting the show.

Everyone else on his team is dressed kinda casually. Pablo shows up in a suit like he's gonna take Steve Harvey's job. What's that all about? That's a good point. I also thought he got very lucky with that answer. My answer would have been 50 cent piece. But I'm surprised Penny won. That would have gotten zero. been 50 cent piece, but I'm surprised penny won.

That would have gotten zero. A 50 cent piece. That would have gotten zero. Nobody would answer. No one else would say that. No one of the 100 people surveyed would say that. We're talking about a coin. The more you invest in the fountain. It was the number one answer. Well, that's because we don't know that. Did he say that? We're doing away with the coin. It was. It got 60 something points. But that doesn't make it right. That's exactly true. Look, Canada abolished the penny in 2012 and we're about to follow. It cost, it cost 2.1 cent to make a penny. So if you manufacture seven billion pennies, you're spending

over 14 billion dollars to do it. It doesn't make economic sense. So the 50 cent piece... It's an inefficient coin. I don't think that math was right. Inefficient coin. It makes a better splash. Exactly right. And I get what Greg's coming from here. He's saying, you know what, you want to toss in the fountain to make a wish? I want it to be as much wish as possible. Let me send the most valuable coin I can

and then it will be the most powerful wish I can make. Right, you wanna impress people. Exactly, and impress that fountain. Everybody else is flipping pennies in there and here's me with my big shiny silver coin going like that. Everybody's wooing and eyeing. You have it like the fast track at Disneyland, right? Like you flip that coin and they're like,

this way Mr. Cody. Right, exactly. Or pass all these other witches. Yes, thank you. I would like to ask the audience by poll, is there such a thing as a 50 cent piece? Have you ever seen a 50 cent piece? Yes.

I have not, and should the penny be abolished? also want to go back and check Greg Cody's math on this because I believe he was he was Trump after the debate I won 87 to 3 like he was just making up numbers there I the 14 that none of that math sounded right. Okay, look it up He said it cost 2.1 cents to make a penny and if you you make seven billion pennies, it costs you 14 billion dollars. A little bit over. They're eating the dogs. No, I believe I'm right. Now, I would have to look it up.

You always do. You always believe you're right. Somebody vet me. I have confirmed it costs 2.72 cents to make a penny. Wow, I underestimated that. Yeah, he underestimated. Okay, but I was on the right track, Jack. So it costs 14 billion dollars to make a penny. Wow. I underestimated that. Yeah, he underestimated. Okay, but I was on the right track, Tech. So it cost 14 billion dollars to make... More. 7 billion. Yeah, more. It's a horrible business model. I don't know if you guys remember, it just

reminded me of my childhood. One of the wrestlers who was my favorite was the great Kabuki. He didn't have any wrestling skills, but he would blow a mysterious blue mist in your face greg just throw a bunch of numbers that i said he just blew a bunch of numbers that i say is like and because he surprised us by having the initial fact which was wrong two point one cent sense to make a penny we then got disoriented by everything that he said after that none of the math on that seems like it was correct you gotta give me credit for 2.1 I mean it's a the

answer is 2.7 the point is we're spending more than twice what we need to spend to make an archaic useless coin when's the last time you used a penny hmm use this cash all the time right I do actually use change on occasion, but most often what I do with change is just leave it for whoever it is I'm buying something from. Well now I'm wondering, Greg, how much does it cost to make a 50 cent piece?

Because it seems like that's the way we could fix this economy, right? We just start printing 50 cent pieces that cost 12 cents to make, and we're making what? 38 cents a piece. that's a very good point by you yeah you know I want all of you to imagine Greg Cody in this scenario where he needs to get the number one answer and 37 points to win and and they're like a coin you throw in a fountain and now they've shilling

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What do I got here? I got a Magnum condom. Um, we won't get that out. That's shocking. Stugatz. Here's a picture of Christopher when he was like three years old. Right next to the condom.

Yeah. Yeah, he's that. That's a subtle reminder. Yeah, forever out of here. Never forget. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the Stugatz. I've been sitting on this game show take for a while. It's a pet peeve of mine.

And it relates to the family feud. I do not like any game in which you could dominate for the first three quarters and then all of a sudden the rules change and the dollar value is triple and the team that did nothing the entire game, they swoop in at the very end and they win said game. Imagine if the NFL decided, hey, fourth quarter touchdowns are worth triple the points. Imagine that, it's ridiculous. Kirk Cousins Hall of Famer.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Don't even get me started there. Do you get three touchdown passes? Don't the points escalate every game? I think the second one, the values are double. So it slowly increases. I think it's like points and then it's double

and then it's triple. But like the single and double are not gonna add up to enough to get you the 300 regardless. Look, this is Greg's whole argument against the wild card, right? All over again, the idea that you could play 162 games and that really doesn't matter because someone could come in at the end and just overcome.

But I submit to you, like Dan said, that's what makes baseball fun now, is that everyone knows they're still in it, even if that deficit is huge. Same thing in Family Feud. You could get your ass kicked, like Pablo, for most of the game. They were terrible. They were terrible all game,

and he got the ending, the dream ending, but they were really bad all game. That's great drama, that's great TV. Isn't the money ball something that you like in the three point shooting contest? Don't you like, is that different? Yeah, it's not an official game, you know, it's just a contest, different than a game.

You gotta respect the game show, like it's not, that's the official game. Yeah, but, to be fair, neither is what Pablo did. That's not real family feud. That's celebrity family feud. They're playing for charity. No one's actually playing with stakes, right? Real families, they play for stakes.

They're like, man, I need this money. This is gonna fund the college education, perhaps. Bring an uncle, bring a cousin, bring a brother, bring a sister, otherwise not the real family feud. I'm with a mean on that. Exactly, you gotta win a Dodge Caravan or it doesn't count. But to Stu Gotz's point, it's the slacker mentality, right? We're rewarding the slacker who does a light jog throughout the whole game and thinks he can speed up at the end and all of a sudden win the grand prize. No, the beginning counts too.

You gotta pay your dues, slacker. I should be a fan of this. Right, you just realized that. You just realized. You should absolutely be the guy who gets to lollygag all game, stroll in, and in the end he gets to be the hero. You were asking yesterday when we played the clip of Pablo, it's like that's the best feeling that you can ever have coming back.

And this is not a popular, probably correct vision or take to have on the situation, but I was like, yeah, if Pablo wouldn't have money for himself, he'd probably be happier, right? Like, it's nice to win for charity, right? But also very low stakes, like worst case, like, eh. Sorry, David Chang, charity doesn't get this 50,000. If he won it for himself, I think he'd be a lot happier.

Dude, I would have been doing laps around the studio, and then I would have been pointing at all my family members like, you screwed up, you screwed up, you screwed up, I won this. Wait, I have a question for the rich people in the room. So if you win a game show show and you win $25,000 for charity for someone else, does that become a tax write-off for you?

I don't have any experience in this. I imagine David Sampson will be able to answer this question for us. We will ask him as our resident financial expert in a second. I saw that David Sampson was also, I believe at Metal Arc Media, there was no one who was actually happier for Pablo in that situation than David Sampson.

I saw no other happiness anywhere in our building for Pablo and it struck me as super strange because this is, this is a moment I believe any of us would have loved having. Mina Kimes, I believe when you guys talk about the money of this, Mina Kimes, the most valuable thing for her here is either look good playing or don't look bad. Not money, not money for charity, not money for herself. Just don't make a fool of yourself or be great

enough that people think you're great at this. And they made fools of themselves before Pablo rescued them. They were terrible. I mean, nobody got any answers right. Like they kept, they didn't get any- Out of touch with society. They, their answers were so Ivy league that they were good answers,

but not for the hundred people surveyed. It's like first thing you buy if you leave your wife or girlfriend and somebody said car, it was the number one answer, muscle car. But then they went motorcycle, which I think is a decent answer, but it got the big X like many of their answers did because they were not doing common person

Yeah, you got to dumb it down Dumb it down. Oh, no, that's to me. Look, I'm not you know, there's nothing against the people voting in Family Feud I've never been asked to vote on a subject but You got to think in terms of who were the hundred people voting and chances are they're not Ivy Leaguers, that's all I mean. This was like a buzzer beater for Pablo for nerds, right? Like, cause he's never played real basketball before. Like this must feel like when you let that thing go

and then all of a sudden you see it and it's like going into the hoop and you're like, oh my God, I'm gonna hit this, I'm gonna hit this. Boom, and it goes in and he's like, let's go! Tony, I'll do you one better. It's a half court buzzer beater. Because it looked like it was over. This is a Hail Mary heave that he threw and he just will

off the glass yeah yeah pretty easy question though in all fairness yeah yeah you would have got it wrong 50 cent piece you know I think for myself I don't think in terms of what what would a hundred people say what would a hundred Greg say wait a, I like that game. I like what would 100 Greggs say? I like that. A little wordy for a game show title. It would say me!

It would just say me again and again. David Sampson is with us now. Oh my god, I think somebody hit this boom and it goes in and he's saying let's go! Turn down that sound. Call it, Billy, I appreciate that reminder, Tony. Put it on the poll, Juju, at LeBotardShow. Is Pablo winning Family Feud like a buzzer beater for nerds?

Because I think Jeopardy might be that, but I also think that Family Feud can qualify Sampson, can you hear us? Nothing personal is the name of his podcast Why do you seem to be like the only person at metal arc media who is happy for Pablo Turing? I? Can't imagine why everyone wasn't happy watching one of our own Kick some serious celebrity family feud ass. Now, of course, it is way easier to be a great closer

when your starter stinks. And David was so bad in the first round, but Pablo did it under pressure. Congratulations, I loved it. I would say he kicked ass. He got one good answer that saved the day. Well, no, he went into the final round and he needed 150 points because David Chang was so bad.

He needed 150 points. But he wasn't a closer. He played the entire game. He was terrible all game long. No, but David is right though. When you do that, when you're in that situation, it means all the number one answers have been left for you. It was easy.

That was an easy run for Pablo. Yeah, correct. Yeah. And the questions were actually easy for Pablo and I was thinking about on Celebrity Family Feud, did they survey people with the easier questions? Penny is such an obvious answer that I figured David would have done it in the first round

but when it was available with no buzzer, Pablo was saying, oh my God, I can't believe that I got to say Penny. Well, you say it's easier. Put this on the poll as well, Juju, at LeBotard Show, is celebrity family feud or the real family feud or a real family feud? Because both teams were so bad,

the sudden death question they had to go to in which they had to answer one question correctly quicker than the other person is, what color do you associate with camouflage? Oh, come on. Yes. That's tricky. Green.

Not red? Top one answer on the board. The big brown. What was the answer? Green and brown make up camouflage. They're equal partners. They're not equal partners. We surveyed 100 Greg Coadies.

It's a great game because somebody would answer that Greg and get it wrong because the correct answer is Brown. Am I the only one who associates camouflage with green and brown in equal measure? I feel like creating a whole menu of questions asking Greg and then we should play family feud What do a hundred Greg Cody say when surveyed? Let's do that Greg during one of the breaks Let's figure out how to play what 100 Greggs That wish granting is not based on the amount of the coin dropped in the fountain. It is not that rich people get their wishes granted more than poor people.

It's not about penny versus dime versus a 50 cent piece. Okay, we've all looked in a fountain, right? I question whether penny is the correct answer. Okay, I see a lot of quarters in there. I see a lot of silver. I don't see many pennies in a fountain. There's a lot of quarters in there i see a lot of silver i don't see many pennies in a problem there's a lot of time question the idiot who throws the silver in wasting the forty nine cents uh... put on the poll please do do rich people get wishes granted more than

poor people i think you're gonna lose this one david i think uh... i got a loss of the and i'm saying it's not correlated to the value of the coin that's placed in the fountain. I Think it is. I mean it makes common sense that it would be right you know if you invest a lot of money in in a stock and The money hits and the stock hits you win more money than if you invest a dollar in a penny stock, right? The genie of the wishing Well is a capitalist as well, David. Yeah.

Put it on the poll, is the Genie of the Wishing Well a capitalist as well at Levitard Show? And also put on the poll, is your wish, fountain wish more likely to be granted if you throw more money in? Well, it's like buying a raffle ticket. You could buy one or you could buy 50. If you're doing a 50 cent piece,

you have 50 tickets to this raffle. David, I have a serious question for you. On game shows where money is won for charity, who gets the write-off? Is it the game show or is it the winner of the money that then goes to charity in their name? No, the game show is the addition. The only way you get a write-off

is if you take your money and donate it. So if Pablo won 25,000 for himself, is the issue you're the only way you get a write-off is if you take your money and donate so if public one twenty five thousand brimself you would pay taxes on that is those income and then he could give away twenty five thousand and then you get to write off half but long story short now pablo got no nothing from that other than permanent viewed street cred

let me ask you a couple of questions from things going on the in uh... the world uh... i want to get to the uh... diddy story in a second can you guys share what you're laughing about is that you guys doing a private show that can't be shared and so you just enjoying each other's company and disrupting what it is that i'm doing well i just fed him is here what a waste of charity work and i'm right off and even doing it for? Is there any particular reason? Usually that seat spits that line into the microphone instead of backs away from the microphone laughing.

Usually the way that that works is it goes from Billy to Stugatsen and then gets said, not you enjoy the show so much privately that you distract me. He's a funny guy, what can I say? Yeah, but he was giving you a line. He wasn't trying to be funny for you. He was giving you something to say on air. I'm not a professional comedian.

He wanted you to slip it in. Back to you, Dan. You're a professional broadcaster, allegedly. The Tennessee football story, not the Titans, okay, who have become the first team since 2002 to go consecutive games with a block punt, a fumble, and an interception, but the college Tennessee volunteers who are exceptional,

they are now adding a 10% surcharge to their ticket and that stadium is full every Saturday, so that's a lot of money and it's just to buy players. I love the overt capitalism of this David, but I can't imagine that people aren't going to become A, uncomfortable with the overt capitalism of this, David, but I can't imagine that people aren't going to become, A, uncomfortable with the overt capitalism of this, and that this is gonna keep getting better or worse, depending on your perspective. It's actually fantastic marketing by Tennessee.

Think about what fans want. If they're going to games, they're spending their money, they want good players, they want a good team, they don't wanna go see their crappy home team. So Tennessee is saying, listen, we're gonna have to pay our players here and it's happening now. You all wanted it, you've got it,

but if you want us to get the best players, we're gonna have to pay the most, so we're gonna charge you. It is the dream for an owner or for a university, because now they're just, they're the same as owners to do PSL or to do ticket surcharges, to find a way to get the customer to pay more. It's like when Uber would charge a fuel surcharge or the airplanes do. Everyone's looking to pass costs along to the final consumer.

And what better consumers are there than college football fans who will pay anything in order to watch their team and they want their team to be good. So I think this was just smart of them to come out and say it smart and just the start, correct? Because now this is going to get more and more aggressive where you can make it a 20% surcharge. If you're in Texas and you want to keep up with tennessee you can make it a thirty percent surcharge well again you're you're making a percentage is it doesn't matter you can

increase your ticket prices and allocate any amount of money you want to players and then not to endowed science chairs but karen carpenter said it we've only just begun you wanna see n i l you want it you wanted players to be employees you wanted wanted players to get paid, it's here, it's happening. David, I'm curious what you think of this idea because we're seeing it in the NFL now. Is private equity going to come into college football in a way where an Elon Musk type billionaire all of a sudden owns 30% of the Michigan Wolverines or any other college.

Hey, hey Greg, it's happening now. Jay Williams just did a panel and he said he wants to buy 49% of the Duke basketball program and there are programs out there right now trying to raise money in order to pay the players over the table and now you have private equity firms. Steven Ross right in your hometown wants to sell part of the Dolphins and the way to get the best valuation may be to go to a private equity firm.

But the thing that people aren't focusing on is that Steve Ross, good example, let's say his team is worth $7 billion plus the Grand Prix and everything else. PE firms want investment returns. And do you think the Dolphins will be worth 10 billion, 13 billion, is there a bubble coming? Because PE firms are not interested in sports per se,

they're interested in a return. But it is a new source of money that is going to be gotten for owners. It is fairly amazing to see that Phil Knight was getting the Oregon Ducks cheap and was way ahead of the curve because this has already been in play for a while but now it's getting more competitive and it's about to get crazy because Phil Knight has basically, Nike has basically owned that program for a

while now but I want to play some sound for you here david of what the results are of this i'm gonna go out to colorado this is a four win team and it's super interesting what's happening around colorado for a lot of reasons listen to what dion sanders is saying is one of the results of the fact that now these are no longer amateurs they are paid professionals what i said you genuinely love these kids, I genuinely really do.

It's not about what they can do for me on the football field, it's about what I can help them with in life. Landscape has changed in football. Once upon a time, you guys never attacked college players. Now they're making more money than y'all. And some of y'all are envious and jealous about that. So you're on the tech.

It was hands off a college player because he's an amateur Remember remember that guys Now his hands-on go at him any kind of way you want they're making more money than me and I'm mad about it When you attack him attack him attack him these guys are sensitive. They've never been attacked They hadn't gone through what a grown man what I've been going through with y'all for years. They haven't done that. So It is what it is. I know you're gonna do your job and what you must do, but your job does not say attack. The personal stuff, leave it to be personal,

because if we start flipping the script on y'all, you won't like it. I can ease it. Thank you, Lord, for stopping me there. Ooh, that was almost a good one. That would've went viral. David, he is so right on all of that. The biggest divider between the athlete and the customer is money, and when he spits at

the reporters, you're jealous because they're making more money than you. This is something that infects sports. I'm sorry, I must be confused here. Are you saying that the media's never gone after college players until they started getting overtly paid? There were no negative articles written about the hurricanes or the gators or the badgers or the Wolverines prior to this time period.

Groups are criticized. Players individually, generally we treated them as kids. Well, I would only say that if we take child actors as an example, when you give too much money to people who are too young and you don't have protections around them, bad things happen. Bad things have been happening around college sports for as long as I've been alive, for as long as I can remember. There's an entire new FX series that Dominique Foxworth was a part of about Aaron Hernandez

and what went on when he was in Florida. I'm not sure that it's in anyone's top five five list they are protective of players whether they're being paid or not i want to show you what it is that happens when you start giving this kind of fame to young people let's play this video of chidor sanders dion sanders is son just going to school now this is something obviously this happened for college quarterbacks for a long time the the way that young people are now around fame Feels reminiscent of how it is they were behaving around the Beatles a long time ago. Look at this I'm leaving the house! I'm leaving the house! I'm leaving the house!

I'm leaving the house! I'm leaving the house! I'm leaving the house! I'm leaving the house! I'm leaving the house! I'm leaving the house! I'm leaving the house! I'm leaving the house!

I'm leaving the house! I'm leaving the house! I'm leaving the house! I mean, that's a nice crowd, but that's not Beetlemania. I was there in 1963, believe me. Yes, of course, Beetlemania. Dan, I'll be honest with you, man. I saw Peter Warwick back in the day, and he got bigger crowds than that. Come on, what are you talking, beetles?

The beetles? That was seven women at the street corner. That was like when Ron Dane would walk through Madison. A great reference by both of you. The Heisman Trophy winner. Ron Dane and Peter Warwick is what you guys did. Yes, put it on the poll. Are Ron Dane and Peter Warwick like the Beatles

at LeBittard's show? The larger point is though, David, that you give young people this kind of celebrity given to any kind of people can be distorting in ways that are corruptive. Giving it to young people seems to be a bit of a sickness. This has been going on for a century. I'm just not understanding what your point is. Go back to the different strokes cast or the Mickey Mouse Club. So are you saying that right now college athletes are way more famous than

they've ever been I would argue there's tiktokers that are a thousand times saying well David, I'm saying the combination of fame money and power are corrosive to any human being given into 18 year olds in a way it's the combination of things that can be dangerous you're disputing that. I'm just saying it's not new. That's not an NIL take.

That's a take that you don't want any sort of youth to be involved in. The money is new. The combination of things, the criticism that is individuals, the attacks of the media, the attacks of the media about money, these things are new.

I'll tell you what the new part is. The new part is that every single one of those kids has access to everybody's opinion at any moment in their pocket. That's the new part. That's the part that I think also Dion confuses, which is what is the difference between being attacked by the media,

which would be Greg Cody writes a column about how some kid sucks, versus people tweeting, you suck. That's two different things, and it's not a function of whether the kids are getting paid or not, it's a function of we have this technology that allows everybody to say their opinion at any moment,

and anybody to devour all of everyone's opinions all at once, constantly 24-7. I can tell you guys this though, 20 years doing the show with Dan, until the kids started to get paid and he's still hesitant to do it, Dan would not rip college players. He would not rip their performance on the field.

I would, but Dan would not. Do you have, like, I don't feel like you ever do that, even now. Well, it was a rule I had, but sports radio changed that with college kids. Coming up, I never criticized a kid by name. I didn't think that was right. Well, my mentor at the Miami Herald, Edwin Pope, had a personal policy to not name a player who

had just been beaten for a game losing touchdown pass, for example, would not do it. Everything has changed and money is a large part of it. Dion Sanders makes a couple of great points. I disagree that it's a jealousy envy thing, but it's by large amount a money thing, right? I mean, we judge everybody and criticize everybody relative to their income. That's why Trevor Lawrence is under a lot more pressure than Brock Purdy right now, because he just got paid and he's still not playing that well. So when a previously amateur college player is now making tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of dollars, yes, he is subject to more criticism, to more spotlight than he used to be. David, can you tell me, we'll move on to other subjects here because i did

want to get to some other things uh... it seems to me based on allegations that i'm reading yesterday that uh... maybe did he's got extraordinary lawyers and maybe uh... the rich people people usually historically can get out of just about anything with their money but what I read from the details yesterday that seemed like that's someone who's not getting out of prison and when you don't give him bail like I thought he was a flight risk before I thought he was gonna go the Russell Simmons route as soon as this started

closing in on him when you're reading the details on Diddy, does this seem like someone who's going to be in prison for a long time? I think it's totally irresponsible to answer that, but what I will say is that he is going to not have an opportunity to get a plea deal. And the reason I think that this will go through a trial is because they want to make an example. They want him in prison for life and no one accepts a plea for life unless the alternative is capital punishment.

But what's in the indictment is damning. And that's how all indictments are, but now you have to go prove it in front of a jury of your peers. And proof is not a thousand bottles of oil. As crazy as it is and what we heard about the freak-offs, and how awful and disgusting and disturbing, that's not our justice system.

You have to get into court and get people to see what happened and prove what happened beyond the reasonable out, which is super hard to do. But I'll tell you, from a optic standpoint, he lost already, but from a in-jail-for-life standpoint that remains to be seen. David, you say you don't expect the plea deal to happen. However, a lot of that I read through some of the court filings and it seems like they

have a lot of this has been captured by a camera in his house, and he has information of other people have participated in illicit activities ranging in severity. Couldn't there be a plea deal in which he flips on all these other people? Well, no, it's hard to have, the guy at the top isn't the one who does the flipping. You try to get people below to flip in order to get the guy at the top,

and you give people below a smaller sentence P. Diddy is the top. He's the one who they want So now there could be a plea deal if they say listen Let's do 25 years without the possibility of parole and his lawyer says, you know, you go to trial You're risking life and you're gonna live more than 25 years So I guess there's always a scenario where a plea deal could happen But if I'm P. Diddy, I'm probably not accepting 25 years I'd rather take my chances and hope that my celebrity wins the day, but it is not a good day to be P. Diddy.

It's Diddy. That's a fine. It is Diddy. He's been federally indicted on counts of sex trafficking, racketeering, transportation to engage in prostitution. The prosecutors asserted that women believe they simply couldn't refuse diddy's demand uh... without physical or emotional abuse or without fearing that their financial security would be put at risk uh... david when you say it's hard to do get a conviction generally speaking don't federal indictments of this kind uh... usually end up in a conviction or penalty about eighty percent of the time it seems like it'd be the opposite of hard to do.

This kind of thorough coming after Diddy, because they waited a long time. This has been an investigation that seems like it's super thorough. But grand juries do that all the time, Dan. You just have heard of Diddy. That's why this is getting your attention. Of course, you don't put down an indictment unless you think you're gonna win. The prosecutors have statistics, they wanna win.

And so getting a grand jury to agree to indict and doing the indictment and doing the arrest and all the processes, but you're only in the, you're in the third inning right now, and that's it. When it comes to this case, there's a lot more that has to happen. But again, you've given up five runs in the first if you're Diddy. P Diddy more like Plee Diddy. Oh, so close. I stumbled right at the end. Plee Diddy.

Send me away, Dan. Don't need your permission. Miner family, too many. Stumbling. Plee Diddy. More like Plee Diddy. Said it four times. You've workshopped it in my ear. I said go go with it, Sid Gutz, it's a good one.

It's good. Really good. Samson, you mentioned the Aaron Hernandez, Dominique Foxworth vehicle. You have watched the entire thing? I have. And your thoughts? I don't know if I can say that,

but yes, I have watched all 10 episodes, and I would simply say to everyone out there, and this is not because of Dominique, although he wrote episode five, which is phenomenal. He's the staff writer on the other nine episodes. It's a fantastic series. It caught me in episode one, which is available now, the first two,

and you don't wanna stop. While you have to wait a week in between, which stinks, this is not your normal Aaron Hernandez story where they're just sort of telling you everything you know. Even if you know his story, you're gonna learn everything you know, even if you know his story, you're gonna learn stuff and if you don't know his story, then you really are gonna be intrigued. But congratulations to Dominique, it's phenomenal.

Every episode is tight and most series can't say that. Yeah, you know what else I thought was tight, my relationship with Dominique. David Sampson got the screener and I didn't get it. I see how it is. Sampson, good talking to you. Nothing Personal is the name of the podcast. Every day at 8 a.m. he does a live show on YouTube,

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