The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: The Business Of Media...

Episode Date: March 6, 2024

Jessica and Samson continue to discuss the impact of Dartmouth student athletes joining a union. Stugotz is excited and concerned about the Mannings taking over the broadcasting space with Belichick and Saban. Dan, once again, wants to talk about the business of media before taking the show to the business of reality shows as Love Is Blind has taken over the office. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to DraftKings Network. Welcome to the big sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBatard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not gonna apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants

just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. It's true though, David, that at any point in the last, I don't know how many years, the NCAA could have just

introduced their own compensation model for athletes who are making their universities tons and tons of money and haven't done it until very recently, the new head of the NCAA has proposed a model we don't have to get into the details of, but this is kind of, all of these things are coming to a head at once, and I think it's why the Dartmouth case is so interesting, because it's happening at a time that I think

most people that watch college sports have changed their minds on the amateurism model and think that why shouldn't athletes get paid to do the work that they're doing when Debo Sweeney's making $10 million a year and Nick Saban was making more than that. It's just it the model has completely shifted with the rise of streaming and with the television rights. But that's their job. So I view it, I don't get paid when I was in college or law school.

I was investing in what my future would be or investing in my education. The people who play college tennis, they play it because they're good enough to play college tennis. They love the fact that they get to be on a team It's not a huge moneymaker Just like it's just as important for me in academics the someone who focuses on such a minor part of

Research that may or may not make a difference in anyone's life But it's pretty cool to learn about paleontology not that I'm picking on paleontologists versus someone who's trying to cure cancer The endowments may be different, but that doesn't mean necessarily that their pay is different. So I think it's important to understand the difference when you consider someone an employee. That's what we're talking about.

The definition of what it means to be a unionized employee, it means you get the same protections, whether you're doing something that's really worthwhile and worth a lot of money to your employer or not. And that allows the employer to make different decisions about your future. I think that's the central question though. And I think most people would argue that the athletes

perform the same types of jobs as employees of the schools that they play for. I was an employee of the Notre Dame Athletic Department when I was a student there and I got paid to cover sports where athletes were not making money to play the sports themselves. And I think that that's really fascinating and something that the Supreme Court itself was like, this doesn't really make any sense anymore. But if you had to be paid overtime, I guess, is you'd just be fired. Or they wouldn't allow you to work overtime hours, in which case you

wouldn't be able to do the job the way you'd want to do it, or to the best of your ability. I was making $7.25 an hour, so. You did it for the love of the game, right? No, I did it because it was money and job experience. But yeah, I mean, that's the central question though. Is it a job, like they're not doing it,

that you're not playing football because you love football, maybe some players are. A lot of them are playing it because they're not playing football because you love football. Maybe some players are, a lot of them are playing it because they want to go on to the next level. So it's a very like, it's an interesting question. And I think that most people would tell you, they don't know if this is even the best thing to happen if naming athletes, employees is the, is going to be great for them. I don't even know if most athletes would tell you that they want this, but I think what's interesting about the Dartmouth basketball players is that

they were able to vote and have the choice, and 13 of them chose to do it, and that was the majority. So they were able to join their local union. I think I also read that a couple of the players on the men's basketball team at Dartmouth are actually part-time employees at the school and part of the local union as part of their other jobs on campus. So they were, you know, that is another factor.

They're already part of this union and thought why would this basketball job that we have not qualify for the same types of benefits? I will tell- Would you bring it down to high school? Because once college, once everyone's an employee, what about the best high school players at these schools where they are feeders to college and feeders to pros and you've got people playing high school basketball for the purpose of being a professional basketball player or

Friday night lights in Texas? You don't think that's a big business? What about high school kids being employees of the high school? That's a great question. And now we're talking about minors. So I think it brings up a lot of other legal issues. And I truly don't know the answer. I'm not smart enough to give you one.

But I think there's a lot of people that would argue that it's probably not a good thing to have such high level, underage people performing jobs that are making the adults that can exploit them a lot of money without any sort of benefits or rights that they have a say in. Nobody is smart enough to figure this out. It's all collapsing around us now and they've been trying to figure this out and I will just tell the audience again, I remember how we covered this 10 years ago and this seems

like a more seismic time in what it is that we're talking about because this, you've seen what happens now that we were talking about it as an idea that would collapse amateurism back then but now we've seen it collapse and the numbers are there for everyone to see and look and they're making all the important rules right now and no one actually knows what the correct answer is we wanted the ncaa to fall because it was unjust but we don't actually have a solution for what happens when that happens, and the quarterback at USC is making $10 million

in two seasons. One of the things that John Skipper and I and Pablo Torre talk about on the sporting class is that all the big 10 right now in SEC and they're trying to maybe break away or they're trying to get buys if the CFP expands, and everyone's interested in getting rid of the NCAA and getting rid of governance.

And everyone loves that idea until they have to govern, until they live in a world of anarchy without governance. And I'm not saying that I'm pro-government or anti-government or the size. We can talk politics later. I'm saying you better have a solution for what's next. And what's happening here in college sports and what's happening with some of these conferences is

they're just satisfied saying we don't like what's now. So therefore let's get rid of it with sort of reckless disregard toward what will happen then. And I'm very focused on then because as you learned with the Northwestern Deal 10 years ago, now comes really fast. That I think is why we are in this mess to begin with because people that may have had the foresight 15 years ago

to say, hmm, I can see how this is changing and this is not gonna work. This is not gonna work in 2024 and 2025, didn't do anything about it. They just tried to cling on to amateurism as long as possible. And that's why I'm not even convinced, I'm not even sure that there is a model that works anymore. I don't know if unionizing

employees is going to be the best thing for the entire student-athlete community as a whole, including every school, every athlete. I don't know if the NCAA's plan is going to be the best thing. I don't know if doing state-by-state legislation is going to be the best thing. I don't know if doing state by state legislation is going to be the best thing. It's all very messy and complicated and that's because no one had any sort of foresight to look ahead and think, hmm, this is not going to work at some point and that point has come.

How are you not distracted by what Tony's doing? I can barely do this segment. I have no, I'm trying to power through it. I'm sorry. Listen, in terms, I'm trying to power through it. I'm sorry. Listen, in terms of, I need to tell the audience this because some people are watching and some people are listening. The degree of difficulty on what Jessica just did,

nevermind what Neo was doing behind her. The degree of Neo was very distracting and I was having a hard time not laughing as Jessica gave very good. Look, I will tell you right now that that conversation is not happening anywhere else with people who have this expertise over what we're talking about. Also not happening with Neil behind them. That's correct. And the expertise that they're giving you, you're like, okay, maybe the Dartmouth

kids can figure it out. They're the kids at Dartmouth. They're, they're guessing, all right, we'll bet on ourselves and the idea that athletes and human bodies are going to have rights and we're going to need some protections from whatever the greed is that's upcoming because it's going to get more and more. David, these players are going to be more and more free, more and more disposable. They're going to change economies at schools. More college football coaches aren't going to want to coach college football because they're at the whims of 16 and 17 year olds. Nick Saban got out.

Yeah, I mean, like it's total chaos. So the question, what comes from chaos and the general thought is that innovation can come from chaos. The other side of that coin is the continued chaos comes from chaos. And I think we're right now with that amazing inflection point where there are smart enough people who can figure this out. They just haven't had the willingness

and they haven't been forced to. What I think is happening with this Dartmouth situation and with the NLRB and with the possibility of super leagues, et cetera, I think there's no more delay. There have to be answers. We're not gonna be sitting here 10 years from now. Well, I may, all of us may be, except you Dan,

talking about it from this perspective, because we will have changes that will already have happened, and we'll be able to evaluate what those changes are. Did he kill dad? What? Where are you going? No, no, no, no, not dead. I'm talking about on a desert island with Valerie Okay, that's not what happened. They're you try to learn a plane crash permanent date where a Valerie

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Well, Charlie sent, Charlie had this, Charlie as far as I know, so just Charlie's title in my phone. Are you gonna say anything? Stugats. And how familiar were you at the time with Chewbacca? Like how, your upbringing had how much Chewbacca in it? This is the Don Lebatard Show with the Stu Gats.

I hope the microphones caught all that because what just happened, what I just saw, okay, delighted me and infuriated me because under his breath Stugots was communicating secretly with Neo back there and Juju and Neo were doing their whole show, their own show on the side as Jessica and David Samson talked about the serious stuff. And what Stugots said to Tony while looking at him in the leering, lascivious fashion, he has looked at him since Tony got aboard the pirate ship is I'm pondering. I'm, he was, he was talking to him breathily. Like I, I, I'm feeling a ponder coming and he's sort of teasing, he's teasing Tony because

he wants to go to the ponder file because he thinks there's some NFL stuff in the ponder file and it's under Tony's nipple. Oh, I see it. Yes. And, and Stugatz is going a little crazy because he wants to ponder NFL things and we will in a moment because there's a lot of franchising going on. Stugatz, there's a tag day. Yeah. Well, there's just a little, there's just a little after football, you're addicted,

you're crashed, you're hungover for a month. No more football. Where's the football? And now movement 50 days from the NFL draft. And now it's just, it's all heroin sustaining. You just need little bits of news, little crumbs. We will get to that in a second. But Stu gots, Billy, you saw Stu gots his genuine enthusiasm right before that, before he started leering at Tony again. He just saw some news, some industry news come across his computer that made him swell with delight because he's got Bella check. He's got Saban.

He's got a podcast. He's got Omaha productions. Yeah. Getting in business, the mannings getting in business with Bella check and Saban to telecast something opposite or next to football. Alternate broadcast with Bella check and Saban courtesy of Omaha productions. I mean, I am delighted by this because I think it'll be great. It's a great idea. I'd love to see those two watching a football game and breaking it down, but I'm also concerned the mannings are taking over the media

We had this idea on the show last week. I know And it's gone. I think it's gonna be excuse me the flim Reaper I think it's gonna be boring as a mother trucker really. Yes No, they need they need someone steering it. It can't be the two of them. Like they need someone that they need. Snoop Dogg, Snoop Dogg, Snoop Dogg, I love that idea. That's a great idea. I was thinking like Kevin Clark, but... No, please. That's a great idea. I cannot think of more opposites than Kevin Clark and Snoop Dogg. That's why I laughed. Totally different wavelengths. Juju's idea is better.

Sorry, Kevin. Would you watch Snoop Dogg and Bill Belichick and Nick Saban, Dan? Would you watch Belichick and Saban without Snoop Dogg? No, not without Snoop Dogg. Really? No, I would still tune in. Now that Snoop Dogg is in, I can't watch this. This project can't exist without Snoop Dogg, I don't think.

But he's not it. Well, but he has to be. Now that he's been mentioned, we need to payton Eli. Omaha, Tyner. If you're listening, get Snoop Dogg. Tyner, you're addressing Tyner directly. Well, whoever's out there listening, he has access. Omaha. Exactly. Right. So do me a favor. I'm not going to do this now, because I know the volatility it causes anytime I go into industry talk. I know it's a, it's a weird thing to God. Today's kind of weird. The business of the industry, you know, I'm fascinated

by it because we've devoted our lives to it, but our audience has a very strong rejection of it. But anytime I do it, the numbers spike, I do it less than I should because the numbers go through the roof anytime. I'm talking about the industry, but our audiences doesn't want it. They're fed up with the industry. If they like the industry, they'd be watching those shows I'm talking about instead of consuming us. So they get very mad at me when I'm talking about, holy shit, man, what paid manning and Shannon Sharpe and Pat McAfee are doing. It's really interesting.

And Stephen A Smith's about to break the bank cause he's worth more than all of them. Like, it's like interesting. And Stephen A. Smith's about to break the bank because he's worth more than all of them. Like, it's interesting. Why are you talking like that? Because I keep thinking it's interesting and the audience keeps telling me it's not. Yeah, but the numbers spike. Yes, the audience.

No, our audience, our audience that knows the story is tired of like, I don't wanna hear about the, our audience. They're like, hey, we're here, we're with you. Stop talking about the rest of the industry. Right, to our audience is like hearing Batman talk about how great the flash is. Like, we like you Batman, we don't care about the flash.

But we're also in the industry of numbers spiking. Have you seen Spider-Man? He's great. Oh man, I started watching that at the dentist yesterday. Spidey. Spider-Man 3 was on. It looked terrible. Why did theyidey. Spider-Man 3 was on. It looked terrible. Why did they make a third Spider-Man?

There's this woman dangling from a building and her boyfriend's down there with her dad and they're just like, oh no. She's about to fall to her death. Which was the Spider-Man? Toby McGuire, I think. It was an old movie. And I got some bad news from the dentist.

Apparently, I brush too hard. Oh no. Overbrush your hair. I am an overbrush. Just like Buddy from Love is Blind, he'd be brushing his teeth. Jimmy, yeah, Jimmy. Oh my god. He'd be brushing his teeth way too hard. He'd be brushing his girl every time he already. Yeah, the mechanical toothbrush apparently. Too much for my delicate little teethies. Juju, I have been interested because you have apparently also caught this love is blind bug And I was told that now this does not happen very often around here I don't know if Billy is actually getting up at six o'clock in the morning to get caught up But evidently he's got something close to the same affliction you guys got with this show that you're obsessed with. This is the new reality show that everybody is going to like now because the people are so weird.

Right. I locked it on the show just because everybody else is locked in. So whenever everybody else is digging, sometimes you want to dig as well. I think there are diabolical sociopaths involved in this show. It's one brother, he broke up with his wife a boy fiance and hopped on the damn jet ski. What the hell was that? Whoa. I wasn't there yet. It's okay. I don't care. I just know who you're talking about when you say Jetski. I know exactly who this is. No, no, there's another there's another Jetski. You don't know that. This is not the Jetski person. This is the second Jetski. Really? From my understanding, Juju, they played out the Tim Robinson sketch with the

zipline where he was on the show just to go on the Jetsby like Tim Robinson was on the dating show just so he could zip line into the pool But I haven't I I gave up on the show after episode one. I cannot do it You have to like watch it but like not Super close that's how I've been doing this season. I watch it for like three or four seasons and I was like I can't I think it's too much too much black She says she looked like what she says you know, I can find Megan Fox Look if she wouldn't have said it I would have saw it on her you feel me But you just can't say I look like Megan Fox you feel me. She's a beautiful woman. We do do that

I heard from my friend who watches the show apparently the guy that she was talking to Said that he heard that he looks like Christian McCaffrey, but they edited it out. I don't know if that's true, but if it is, they edited it and she looked way like really bad and he looks nothing like Christian McCaffrey. He looks opposite of Christian McCaffrey if you ask me. Last week Dragonfly Jones was on, you said he looked like Doug Funney, which I thought was like a really good comparison Yeah, you got the same hair

Yeah, Billy 6 a.m. This is cuz you're saying it's too much your but you want to keep up I'm not used to seeing this from you You're normally our industry leader when it comes to this dumb sugar television You're the one who cares about it more than everyone else But it sounds like you can't even keep up anymore. And you just said, it's too much, which isn't what's happening right now with Love Applying. No, it's because like, this season is a little bit different because,

and I say this respectfully, if there's any contestants watching, they're all terrible people. So like typically- They're not all terrible. They're not all terrible. Mostly. Johnny and Amy are fine.

They are fine. They are lovely. Okay, but mostly they're all like not great. Are and Amy are fine. They are fine. They are lovely. Okay, but mostly they're all like not great. Are they the ones who haven't had sex yet because she doesn't want to take birth control and I guess he doesn't know how to pull out? Right. That's him exactly, spot on.

Well, okay, so typically I don't like this part of the show because like the dating in the pods is fine and then they go on the honeymoon and that's fine. And then when they get like to the apartment together is where I really don't like watching it because they all start fighting, they're all terrible people to each other and it just makes me uncomfortable.

And then I try to just fast forward to see who gets married and who doesn't. And the answer is none of them should get married ever because you've known each other for like two or three weeks. Like it's insane, but whatever. So I didn't wanna watch this season, but then there was all this hubbub and hullabaloo going on about this season and everybody was watching it. And my wife wanted to watch it. And I was like, I really don't to watch this season, but then there was all this hubbub and hullabaloo going on about this season

And everybody was watching it and my wife wanted to watch it and I was like I really don't want to watch you're not a follower On these things you're a leader. You are not a follower Well, I'm trying to get in on this other one that I think is called love in translation or something like that love Translation something like that. I don't know exactly what it's called the concept of that show is there's there's 12 international women Vying for three American guys what is called the concept of that show is there's, there's 12 international women vying for three American guys. They don't speak other languages. The women don't speak English. Can they fall in love without communicating with each other? I guarantee you someone will fall in love.

So that's one that I want to check out. I think they can see each other. They can see each other, but they can't communicate with each other. They can't actually talk to each other. Dangerous camp right here. This is a dangerous camp. It says three men and 12 international women are brought together on a remote paradise island for a chance to find romance. And here's the twist. Neither the women nor the men speak English and can't use translators. Well, the men speak English. I've seen the men speak English. The women don't speak English. They can't use translators. They can't communicate. It has horrible reviews. That's the word I'm interested, yeah. Of course, what's the content?

Nobody knows what they're saying. So anyways, my wife wanted to watch this season, so I'm kind of catching up, but I'm watching it very passively in the background while it's going on. But these people are all a mess. The guys are just horrible people. The guys are terrible people. If you're the translator on that show, you're trying to work your way in, you're like, hey, what's

up? There's no translator. There's no translator. I hear you, baby. No, there's no translator. But if there was a translator, yes, Chris. Leave my mommy. What's up? They can't let us on those shows, Dan. I don't know if you've noticed. So what they do on Love is Blind, they go to a different city and they've done a Chicago One of thousands They cannot do a Miami. Can you imagine? Me no like I was a kid do you so much? Oh my god

I was never good on that show. I'm sweating. He would be my wife would hate it But we would dominate you would die. It's not a team thing. You and your wife are married. No, you would dominate. He would dominate. You don't get it Billy, you just don't get it. As a trans, I'm drugged up to it, I told you guys. That's why I've slid to the side of the table. It's like Jake Tapper, you woke up at 5 a.m. and erection.

Get that sound again for me please, so I could put the context around Billy's erection. Yeah, well, I'm there for you that way. In a way that you're not there for me. I will segue seamlessly from that into Jake Tapper because I too am a professional newsman. Explanation was not, they didn't like Donald Trump. They said he participated in an erection and I have to, an insurrection, sorry, an insurrection, and I have to say I got up at five this morning to do Casey Hunt's show and I'm exhausted.

Fly, it was fly. We are now whoopee cushions and erections. He would not be able to talk with Tony behind him doing matrix moves, that's for sure. Be a professional for Christ's sake. doing matrix moves that's for sure be a professional for Christ sake Tony the neo costume is that's what you'd wear on one of these shows it's the opening act yeah I'd probably come in with one of these and just be like oh yeah it's just Spanish it's just gibberish it's language. It's not the person. I'm just saying tell me, tell me something. Talk to me.

Tell me something. I need your number. Don Lebatard. Let's go to 80. His name is Bo. Wow. I think Billy typed an eight instead of a B. Fine.

It's a clear state of mind. Two dollars. Two guts. Number eight. It's Chris Carter state of mind. Two gods. Number eight. It's Chris Carter on the line. C.C. GCC Don Lebatar show with the two gods. Chris Cody, can you do me a favor, please?

Because Yeti is the real genius behind He-Ha 3 as Jeremy and Greg Cody try to hog all of his creative juices. Because Yeti is a listener to this show, and we love the people who contribute musically to our show just because they love to have a space where they can make things. Yeti has hustled his way into the system, and I would like for him in the next segment to produce for us some music

That sort of makes fun of when it is that I go to industry talk So the people can just skip it if they if our audience doesn't want it And so juju can slice it up and send it out to social media and everybody eats it up because our audience doesn't want it But other people do find interesting that the cages at the top of Disney's, Stugatz, Igers, Igers having, you know, he's going viral yesterday because he's talking about Disney. And this is one of the great business CEO stories of our time. He got out at the perfect time, Stugatz, right before the pandemic, virus hits parks and cruises and

entertainment and the whole shit collapses on and he was out and the next ceo was going to be the one who ruined Disney and then he becomes rushing back in to save it and now at the top of streaming and business Disney has to make you know we're behind Netflix but we got dead Deadpool and Wolverine coming out. It's going to be a giant Marvel movie. And at ESPN, Shannon Sharp has gotten into the game at the top where he and Stephen A. Smith. All right.

Let's get that music before I start talking about this because I, if I'm going to bore the audience, I want to put it in a place where they could just skip by it easily. And I want it to have professional framing. So we'll do that next segment. But Stugatz is genuinely interested in Bella check and Saban calling football games. And I think Billy's got it right where he's saying, man, it's important. The host you get the mannings are very good together. They'd be better if they had a host. No, they'd be better if they had Snoop Dogg. Like that's, I can't, I can't choose you. Put this in my head and I cannot see this show working with you.

Wait, so you want Snoop on the Manning Cast? No, no, no, I want the Belichick Saban Cast. The Belichick Saban Cast, yeah. No, I, it's just, it's not going to work without Snoop Dogg. It simply won't. He's the only person that's going to do this. Yep. A far second place. If Snoop can't do it schedule wise. Kevin Clark. Kyle Brandt. Kevin Clark. Kevin Kevin Clark Kyle Brandt Kevin Clark Kevin Clark Kyle Brantz. No, how Brantz got he's got a good personality beef cake We're going from Snoop dog. No, I said I love Kyle Brad I'm saying if Snoop can't do it because of scheduling. No, well you guys have a lot of ideas

But actually Peyton Manning's doing these things You guys have a lot of opinions about what would work, but there's going to be a bidding war here for Jason Kelsey, a bidding war. I don't know how much, where he's going to start between NBC, CBS, ESPN, name your job. How about Metal Arc? Yeah. Metal Arc. We're up there. Don't do that.

We should go after Belichick too. I mean, hope you like, hope you like crying on your broadcast. Dan comes into work and we're all gone, but Bill Belichick's here with Jason Kelsey There's no food You guys do find interesting I would imagine you must you must Okay, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are now going to compete with lebron james at the business of broadcasting and creating content they're going to reinvent themselves in the next incarnation of however it is that you push your brand into the next century it's gonna be brady against

lebron and yet mannings here saying now i can get a sb and work for me too. I can make Omaha production, something that uses ESPN, the NFL so that I can compete with Brady in broadcasting for $375 million because while he's over here paid to talk about the game, I'm going to be paid more because I know how to play the game with my relationships to create giant business. And I call Bella check and and say you guys want to do something fun That would make us all look good and I'll slice you off millions of dollars here, and I won't bother you very much I am fascinated by it, but do you want to wait for the sounder first or I actually just got a text from yeti?

It's ready like he's already here. It's ready. Yeah, he, it's ready. Like, it's already here. It's ready. Yeti says it's ready. Do you get annoyed every time Dan Levitar pontificates about the sports media industry? Well, too bad, mother f***ing. You know she don't give a damn about what he's gonna say. It's time for sports media talk today. You know who I think's on the hot seat? Who? Whitworth. Really? I think if Kelsey's out there,

Thursday night football is calling. That seems like a possible hot seat. It's nothing against him. It's the hoodies with the blazer. The hoodie and the blazer combo and need to stop stop it big bro Really love you Jason Whitworth. Hmm. No, he's great. I have Jason Kelsey more so on Sundays though Maybe Monday night something like that He's too splashy

We talked to Matt Sims this week on God bless football Chris better watch out with his own family Yeah, very charming that Matt Sims. week on God bless football. Chris, better watch out with his own family. Oh my God. Very charming that Matt Sims. Yes he is. Better looking too. Forgive me on this, when you say Whitworth on the hot seat, I thought the reports were that NBC and, was it NBC? It wasn't, it was not, I didn't think it was Amazon. It was NBC, ESPN and CBS would be bidding for Jason Kelsey

and once you have two bidders on that once you got, and all of these are league partners and they want, man, that Kelsey think here, hey, let's break off Kelsey a percentage for Taylor Swift. That was lovely. Thank you for increasing ratings for the last couple of seasons. Here's a wonderful broadcasting job. Right. I'm trying to think of the people on NBC who would most likely be on the hot seat. If that played out, it would probably be Dungey, right? Jason Garrett. Garrett's good. Never. Garrett is out. No, stop that. I don't think so. Garrett is on a seat already. Jason Garrett is the most professional broadcaster on the planet. They also told me how to play. He's also a plug and play guy. Like when there's two games, he's in there. He's in the booth. Yes, he is. He's calling Notre Dame games this year,

but Jack Collinsworth apparently has been taken off the broadcast. So they're doubling, I guess tripling down on Jason. Jack's safe. He works there, he's not going anywhere. He's a third year in a row. Doing Notre Dame. Stugatz, how can I make interesting to you

and the audience the following? Because it's interesting to me as somebody who has grown up in this industry and seen the things that Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith and others in this atmosphere where they've had the playground to do broadcasting things together, Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith turned that into two networks that were feeding off of argument television, both of them making $8 million a year at two different networks as Fox tries to keep up with ESPN by building some of the same things ESPN did the same way with the same people.

Skip Bayless made one of the biggest ego mistakes I have ever seen in the history of our business. With how he treated Shannon Sharp at the end in a way that people noticed, and Shannon Sharp broke free from what all that was. And this is one of the great success stories in the history of sports media, because like Stephen A. Smith's, who got Shannon Sharp was dead and buried. It was from CBS. He tried to make that old ass show on CBS young and there was no job for him there anymore. And then he was not doing the stardom rise. He has been a great loudmouth sports personality

hall of fame talent for 30 years. He had that one stint with us where he reviewed movies, but you know, and I thought he was on the rise then but he wasn't one of no one of the great jokes at our expenses the following the kelsey brothers could have been with stew got some shannon sharp we could have had him if we just paid him for movies whoo metal art media miss it haha will swing in and miss it let's get Bella check it also ain't you don't hit on me I mean,

but think about what just happened there. Shannon Sharp got back into the game, Stu got, because he elevated Skip Bayless's show and Skip Bayless thought Skip Bayless was the Skip Bayless show. Why would skip not think that though? I mean, Oh, I know this is how television works put up on the screen here Jason Garrett Tony was telling us before what's what's good at television. Here's the b-roll look at this two guys Jason Garrett is good at television. You cannot replace that most electric man on TV. Oh my god That cannot be replaced going no way No one no one can go eight and eight and respond for the camera.

What if it's not Chris Sims Hot Seas? What if it's Phil Sims Hot Seas? Wow. What is my Tariqo work? It's my Tariqo work. NBC, he's not going anywhere. Yeah, he's following games though. Tariqo is the golden boy.

He's a goose. But you could picture Jason Kelsey on the CBS desk, right? I heard Cowher's contract also is coming up apparently, which is why I think he was in that all velvet suit at the end of the season. He was dressing, right, Juju? He looked amazing. He looked so good.

My guy, the chin, anyways. You guys, wait a minute. I digress. This is the part that you guys are most interested in, and I will go down this path with you. You now have, please find me what the third competitor is reputed to be because I don't think Amazon and Whitworth is a big enough job. I think Jason Kelsey is about to get one of the big

jobs in broadcasting. He's going to be able to retire that way because the Kelsey commodity is hugely valuable right now. I saw from Marchand it was NBC CBS and ESPN. My question though, are they just trying to get Jason Kelsey on a desk or are they trying to bid for the whole podcast because we're talking about some money makers. Jessica, he's not here to be Jeff Saturday in retirement.

Jason Kelsey is going to get, and that's not a, And coach of the Colts Saturdays for the boys. Is he going to get super skinny? I know what you mean by that. I think he's going to go like the Pat McAfee route. Like he's going to, for this industry, he's looking to take it over. He's going to the front of the line.

Like this is what's happening with these guys competing for the dollars at the top of the industry. They realized that their own audiences, that they don't need these big brands anymore. It's going to be interesting because they'll do some NFL stuff in McAfee's case. He's doing college game day. So I can see him doing that, taking the podcast to ESPN and also being on their pregame show and replacing Teddy Brusky. I can see it. Is he going to get super skinny? How about just retire and enjoy your $81 million on vacation. Yes, look, it's skinnier, Chris. Jess, who thinks Chris is no longer an ESPN?

I thought he is, yeah, still. He's still there. I don't know what it is with Adam Schifte. I think it's on their main pregame. I like it. I'm not watching Fox, I'm watching CBS because I like Bill Cower. My Grammy used to have a huge crush on Howie Long.

Holy crap. Different grandma. She used to, every Sunday morning, Howie Long. Holy crap. Different grandma. She used to, every Sunday morning, she'd say, someone turn on Fox so I can see my boyfriend. And her boyfriend was Howie Long. Which is weird, because Terry Bradshaw was on that show and she was like a lifelong Steelers fan, season ticket holder, everything.

But Howie Long, he did it for her. Well, look at her. Better headline. Jessica. I mean, holy crap. Yeah, I don't know why we haven't signed a large deal Metal Arc media with your grandmother yet Jessica. I don't know. She should be doing advertising for us Yeah, there has been some behind-the-scenes discussions like oh would your grandma if one 800 flowers paid her like what I'm like

Yeah, she's a tremendous amounts of credit card bet she would take that money Just can't believe that. Jessica, can we play that sound again please? Because I believe this is something that we should have advertising around. I believe that we should make the, the Jessica, Jessica's entire family money off of her grandmother's personality. She's a, she's a live wire. We missed on the Kelsey. Hold on. So my grandma, we missed on Shannon chart. We're getting the studies. I do. I don't like this. I don't, I don't get paid for reads.

Okay. And all of a sudden she's getting a cut. Yeah, hold out. I don't like this. I'm holding out on her behalf. Don't tell her about this. Unionite. She doesn't watch the show.

Jessica, holy shit.