The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: The Dark Side of the Rainbow

Episode Date: June 29, 2023

The first segment of Hour 1 is a real mind goblin. David is a hugger, pizza parties should always include a cheese pizza, and we take a quick trip to tummy ache city. Then, Dan stops by the studio to discuss the new dynamics between AROD and Derek Jeter on the Fox baseball pregame show, and Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Charlie Savage is here to explain why he's credited with discovering an incredible coincidence between the Wizard of Oz and Pink Floyd. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. Welcome to the big suite, presented by Giraffe King. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there.

That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. Yeah, Ligma Parkinson's. Ligma Parkinson's. Ligma Parkinson's. Okay, I didn't know he actually was sick. I was, I just don't like the song.

It's like a thing young people say 10 years ago. Yeah. That's just like, Bofa. Right. I was hoping no one heard me say it also. They all saw you shrink. Yeah.

I didn't, I thought you said it in my ear. Because this is surely someone's judgment can't be this big. Pull back the curtain. Pull back the curtain. Maybe I did. Pull back the curtain on this show. Off it times with Jess and I are on the show at the same time. We're doing a completely different show,

especially when I have controls, like when I'm not in the third seat, that as David pointed out yesterday, it doesn't have any of the fancy controls that allow you to talk there and then talk back to you whatever And so we do all these jokes that never make it on air That's very helpful to the audience. Mostly untoward. Hey David. Have you ever had legma? I don't know what that is. I've been you don't look left out of this entire You never had legma you're all pressing buttons. You've never had Legma. You're doing a show.

You've never had Legma. I don't know what Legma is. Legma balls. That is quality. That's what you're doing. That's what. You're doing a show. That's why it's a second show.

No, no, that's not even a third show. It's just distracting from what we're trying to do here. What are we trying to do here? We're trying to just get through it. It's a real mind gobbling. That's an A-day. That's an A-day. Ligma?

Balls. Do you have to say the ball? I'm not gonna do it. I'm getting older than Charlotte. I can't say Ligma. What? You just said it though. I think I'm trying to be young if I do that.

I am a wham. You think I'm young? Sorry to say that. Are you saying that? Maybe you have Suggma. Go ahead. It's truly a mind gobbling I am a lamb. It's a man. Sorry to say, are you saying that? Maybe you have Suggma. Go ahead. It's truly a mind goblin. Press a button.

Press a button and tell me what Suggma is. Ha! You got this. And there goes Jessica out of the room. Do you know my Cuban friend Dale Ham? I would rather you keep imitating the weekend. Do you know my Cuban friend Dale Ham. Ha! I would rather you keep imitating the weekend. Do you know my Cuban friend Dale Ham? No. Who is Cuban?

You don't know Dale Ham? Dale Ham. Absolute show stopper. I mean, what's a mind goblin? We're spending up all night reading CBAs, trying to make the audience smarter and entertain and you're doing jokes with the button press that makes it so no one else can hear That's the beauty of the show. Oh, no, that's not it. The beauty is when you don't press the button and you do it.

You sit out loud. No, sometimes it's all about getting that ripple effect in that room. It's still hammined. I've been trying to figure out how to incorporate both fun to a sentence for the past five minutes. At ease as well, Dallet Hymn. We can wait for you. How much more time in the year? No, I can't land the plane. So this is it. So you took off with no chance in sight

of adding to the show at all, just telling me that there's nothing I got here. That's why I was brought in, David. I'm a... Nebulous. I'm looking for my friend, Huggand Kiss, first name Amanda. Have you seen her?

No. Where is she? Amanda HuggandKiss. I'm looking for Amanda HuggandKiss. I'm looking for Amanda HuggandKiss. I'm looking for Amanda HuggandKiss. Oh, I get it. I'm a Hugger.

That's a classic bit. Is it bothersome to people to hug? Depends on who you're hugging. Do you have to get permission when you do a man hug? When I come in here and I haven't seen people for a long time. What kind of hug are we talking? Two hands around the back? Or the one where you do one hand, the breath, the breath.

One hand and then one hand around the back. I'm the one hand around, and then the other hand, mostly at my side. Unless I have a different type of person relationship long standing, in which case I'll do the two hand. Right. Let me give you the tiers right here. Tier one is just a regular dab, and you keep a stiff arm in between,

there's no closest. Tier two is dab, and then you pull them close, but no other additional thing. Tier two is, that and then you pull them close, but no other additional thing. Tier three is, that close and then, other hand, that's on the back. Tier four is,

two arms, hold on, hold on and brace. And then on the side, this isn't in the tiers, it's just kind of an alternate, it's the side hug, which is usually when you're hugging too many people,

that once you're like, hey, how's it going, side hug here, side hug here, side hug here, or if you have something under your hand, you're carrying, you give a side hug. Those are all the different types of hugs and salutations you can give. I would say that the embrace, two arms around, that is the most intimate of the hugs and that's only reserved for close friends that you haven't seen in a long time or any intimate what's it called when you walk into the studio and no one says good morning hello or any words at all. Is that the opposite of the two arm wrap around intimate hug?

When no one says hello, I don't know. I don't, you know, I don't say hello, I don't think. I think we've gotten a lot better at that, though. When I started working here, you kind of just showed up and people kind of, if you're lucky, you get like a grunt. Now, some people say hi. You're so particular about these things. You're like obsessive compulsive about how people greet you.

Are you OCD? I think it's in Post-CDs. Nooo! Thank you, Mike. Oh, is that another one? Thank God. Got you there, David. Walked right into that one.

He's like Hawkeye over here, right between the eyes. This has been an awe-inspiring. Like the Imagine Dragons of these types of jokes. Do you like Imagine Dragons? There was a concert outside the hotel last night. Do you like Imagine Dragons? Do you like cigarettes after sex? I saw them yesterday.

Do you like Imagine Dragons? I know the Imagine Dragons. Imagine Dragon Bees notes. Someone's got to send this hour to Sabin. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha break. Oh, did I let the cat out of the bag? From where I'm sitting, it's not a OCD issue for greeting. It's what I think helps a workplace. Where's your bag of candy? It's still the first hour. It's in my bag right here to my right. Candy's nuts fit. You really are the imagined dragger for this. Mike, I'm going to give you the next few minutes to come up with a top five of ways you can get me to say things that will make you all laugh

while the button's being pressed. Whenever you come up with, we're just gonna keep going with it. I think reading's matter. Do you like pudding? Good one. No, I don't like pudding. Pudding these nuts and you move. Do you know that there is pork in pudding? Sometimes, sometimes. Del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del-del- Okay. There's some non, there's some non animal Delta. You have to read the, you have to, yes, you have to, I didn't know you had to read it

until a year ago. Oh, dude, as a kid, everything we bought from the supermarket at the read it and see if it says anything about, because some things will say vegetable buy product and then some things will say vegetable and slash or animal buy product and that's an automatic no because that means they took the pigs, snout and tail and hooves and they made Bill Cosby do a commercial about it.

Don't you worry. I think it's wrong when you're ordering food for a group of people to order only things that have pork in it. And it happened. Save no tube, bro. Yesterday with pizza. When you order pizzas for a party,

is it not acceptable to have some pizzas that don't have fork? David, I'm glad you brought up this. You got a piece of party? This is- Wait, someone ordered only pizzas yesterday. Hold on, hold on. This is- I prefer Wendy's.

I've never had a Wendy's party. Wendy's not straggler across your face. Ah! Oh. Jean Parmesan! Ah! Did it again! Jean! Jean! Yo, no. David, ah, I did it again.

Yeah, no, David, I'm glad this is one of my signature battles, because since the dawn of time, whenever I were actually since I left my house, went to college. Close, close, close, close, close, close. The concept of, hey guys, let's get pizza. Cool, what do you want? Cheese. Jesus, boring. One, just cheese.

Who is just cheese? All right, what do you guys like? Pepperoni, I don't eat that. Sausage, I don't eat that. But, okay, so we'll order a bunch and they order like five pizzas, right? And one will be super pig here and super duper pig here and super duper and it'll be the one cheese pizza and I'm like well everyone said cheese is

boring so it's almost like I'm gonna have this cheese pizza to myself wrong wrong because all the people that Jesus buying when they come to people I think I'll have a slice of you should be allowed to touch the cheese pizza if you are willing to eat meat on your pizza. Exactly. If you are anti-cheese as a selection, because the reality is there should be like, if there are five pizzas, two of them should have pork on them or whatever, and three should be cheese.

Because they're more than 50%. Everybody's cheese. Everybody's cheese. What do you fist bump it back there about wilder? Oh, well I Said that I grew up having to take all the cheese off of my pizzas because I'm a little Jewish guy who had little tummy X based off of like I'm Jewish too, so we fist bumped so it was it you fist bump because you're Jewish. Yeah, just shout out the Do's you mean ask what happened back here?

That's sometimes you need to shout out the juice Where's the fish on my way? So you would just have bread and sauce. Yeah, essentially it was really embarrassing and sad You want a pound you're a brave little boy with a brave little tummy eight. Yeah, it was really cute You want a pound it is amazing sure Mike. I would love a pound one a pound Who have lactic acid and who have what's the acid where you can't lactose lactose intolerant never existed when I was a kid now people of the allergies not existed people just would have terrible diarrhea not know why I am convinced that most people are lactose intolerant and just suffer

needlessly lactose is a sugar by the way it's not an acid I'm not. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

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I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. down the lactose so that you don't get a tummy ache. But like, I have so many friends. They're like, oh, I'm gonna go get a big milkshake at Killwins, but I'm gonna have a tummy ache after. And I'm like, yeah, because you're lactose intolerant.

They're like, no. And I'm like, yes. I think most people have lactose problems. You know why? Because the mayor of Tummy-A-X City doesn't do a good enough job of cleaning up the streets. That's true. It just allows all this stuff to happen.

I stopped drinking milk and eating dairy ever since I got into fitness. I had to have a frittin' milk three day. Set, go ahead, Mike. Finish us off. Give me one great one. Whoa! I don't even need the pot. I don't even need the pot.

Wow. This is such a good segment. I don't even need a pot of juice! I don't even need a pot of juice! Wow! This is such a good segment. What a mind goblin, what a mind goblin of a segment. I would like some pizza and I'd like some milk and I'd like a fist bump just from anyone about anything one time. Hello, can I help you? I'm in Barcelona and the creatures are everywhere. ¡One time! I don't want to play this game. No, you were saying, man, I could do such a great game. Oh, I don't want to play this game. He's like, man, I can talk to you. This is who we're going to trust.

Let me do it. Let's let him mean do it, I think. Still got. I think you could do it, Chris, because you did a great game. I think you could do it. I think you could do it. Chris, I think you could do it. Chris, I think you could do it. Chris, I think you could do it. Chris, I think't want to play this game. He's like, man, I can't talk to you. This is who we're gonna like him. This is who we're gonna trust.

I mean, you do it. Let's let him mean do it, I think. Stooots. I think you could do it, Chris, because you did a great Charles Barkley. You're one for one there. Did no one just hear the segment we just did with the mean. We cannot be taking-

The mean judgment is not the best. How so from the local drunk on whether or not you should do the impersonation of a black man stumbling over his words. Like you don't see the bad. There was most of moody moody moody moody moody moody moody. That it sounds worse. And careful man. We got it.

Like we cannot do this. It's too close to the line. This is where the line is something legitimately funny. Can't be funny because we're scared our ginger is going to do something racist by accident. Carry the hell on, Dan. Rachel. Dan, the line is where we feel alive, though. This is the Dalai Labahtar show with the Stugats.

I have some regret about not getting to some video over the weekend that made me smile all weekend in the plastic, plastic, forced on way that Arod smile was just stuck to his face as he faked his way through trying to be incredibly pleased that he and Derek Jeter were sharing a set. Those two in their history is complicated and funny and amazing. A. Rod goes to the Yankees and is so not jitter that even though he's the better shortstop, he can't play shortstop because he's got to get over to the side for jitter. Their relationship was a mess which is surprising that it got out in public because none of jitters stuff ends up getting

out in public and then as fox is in London to celebrate baseball being global they tried out jitter and a rod on the same set and the video from that I couldn't stop laughing at how pasted on a rod's teeth were like it was just teeth the entire time and him moving back and forth half mannequin half you know wax sculpture and I'm not even talking about like the surgery on his face he's he's he's looked awfully young I don't know that if it's surgery I'm not making fun surgery. I'm making fun of how uncomfortable he was sitting next to Jeeter and Samson is here and he's got actual inside information on what their relationship Actually is because he pitted them against each other to raise the value of the marlins to a place. It should never have been It's not fake

Lot of this a lot of this is manufactured like wrestling the thing with with Jeter and Arod, and Arod's taken a hit recently with J-Logon and now Jeter coming to Fox which he did not want to have happen at all. Didn't want to share this. But Arod works everywhere. He works at Fox and ESPN. He doesn't want to share either stage with him. Arod does not like sharing anything with anybody.

The difference between Arod and Jeter, other than steroids, which Jeter never did. And Arod did. The difference between A-Rod and Jeter, other than steroids, which Jeter never did. And A-Rod did. The difference is, they have the feeling that what they did on the baseball field will translate into the business world. And that's really the only thing I took advantage of, is that they were so interested in how to get into the business of ownership. And we see what players LeBron wants to get an expansion team in Vegas.

And now everyone's all excited. It started when I was younger with a guy named Mario Lemieux, who people may not remember. And the reason he got into ownership is his team was bankrupt and he was owed money. And he said, it's better to own a team than to play on a team. So A-Rod always thought this. And now A-Rod is in the media. And he and Jeter still look at each other and it's not good baseball is not happy they were fine with jeter running the marlins they were fine when he was fired by bruscherman and they

were fine when fox said hey how about we bring in jeter now because he's become a pitch man what they did not properly calculate is that the buy-in from a rod is just not there and we saw saw it manifest itself already. So it's a concern because you can't throw people together. We've talked about what happens when you throw talent together. If it doesn't work, it's a big deal for MLB and for Fox. But why won't it work? Why won't he just be professional?

A-Rod's pretty interchangeably. He's not that good at it. I don't think Geter's going to be that good at it. They're just going to be really famous. That is what the baseball pre and post games are and you know, it is rare. We talk about Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith. That's and Shaq, that's rare to have both talent on the court. But they're not going to have it. All they're going to do is take the Red Sox and Yankees from that era. You know, Ortiz and Pedro and all you guys that dominated baseball 20 years ago back when baseball made stars that looked like that

We'll just throw you all on the same set or around each other and we'll see what comes from it because it doesn't matter Whether you get along or not you can have a really good pregame show if one person's like a rod if one person's like Derek Cheater Poppy is a great television character and he had a good friendship with A-Rod and I do think it kind of worked. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Derek Cheter, but NHL on TNT. TNT's pre and post show is outstanding. They're getting something out of Gretzky and I've always thought Gretzky was bad. Gretzky is not good at television.

In fact, they realize that Gretzky isn't there and they bring Gretzky in intermittently as opposed to regularly, like he did last, like they did last season, but they have all this great chemistry on the rest of the day is, and the fun is infectious, and it ends up being a good supplement. Having the great one on your pregame show

brings a gravity and a respectability while you're getting all these people on the tent, and also, by happy chance he's starting to have fun with the other people and it's a good mix. But when you have two people that are cut from the cloth of Derek, Teter and A-Rod, how is that going to work? There isn't enough big poppy to go around. It's boring.

It's how it's going to work. And I think that anyone who watched that, you were laughing. You were laughing at the theater of it I was winsene. I'm laughing at the discomfort. There was one time I saw them interviewed on a business channel and both of them clearly didn't want to be around each other Like if I were to say to you hey a rod put him on a set with somebody He's least likely to have chemistry with jitter's gonna be very high on my list of people That can be a rods pier or better than him and have a whole history of past that that looks across the day

I said a rod and says I know you're a fraud I I I hated what a fraud you were When you were in my clubhouse with me as the highest paid player and you never liked that I was the captain, that you were never gonna be able to be me in pinstripes, that you were gonna go, that you were gonna resurrect your career by going to offices where Manfred was kicking over a briefcase to a ledge

that you weren't using steroids, lying to everybody like that's how, you went on Michael K show and Francesc It's just a torrent of lies, and then you're suspended for a year and Jeeter gets out of New York Clean and and doesn't get dirty until he comes down here And he's dirty now and fails is he dirty? Well, that's as Jeremy Jeremy's around the club, but afraid to say things still about jeeter

I've I've since you are you are your your I've noticed this about you. Derek Jeter was also this is the part that's difficult and I think it's part of why my opinion on Derek Jeter is as strong and emotional as it is as he was my first ever favorite player. And then fast forward years later and I covered a Marlon's team where he's the owner and ultimately really didn't complete the job that he set out to do. The thing with Derek Jeter and A-Rod here that's so frustrating, I think, from the former Jeter fan perspective is A-Rod's won. Like A-Rod won. The battle of the two of them. Jeter got into ownership.

Didn't exactly do a great job as an owner and now is out of it. And where is he sitting next to A-Rod joking on TV, opening up a package from big poppy that has a red socks jersey having to pretend to be all of these things. He's the pitch man. He's got the paint it on smile. He's the fraud too. And that part is honestly infuriating if you're looking at the jeeter image. Je Cheaters always been a fraud. Well sure, sure, but this is its expose here, right? Like did this element of exposure?

Ask people in the know about Derek Jeter, and I'll start. Happy to start. All right, you can start. You have nothing to do with the fact. I'm thankful to him for being so dumb as to do what he did with the Marlins. So I'm thankful to him, so I'm not criticizing him at all. But Jeremy, you didn't even object to Samson calling Jeeter a fraud. I kind of started it.

You know, he ended up here saying all these things that he was going to do, he didn't exactly follow through on those. And now the big thing with Jeeter was always like, like, he was the pristine. He was a loof. He was this bigger character, sort of like Michael Jordan, where he didn't have to do any of the other things that these guys stoop to in their post career. So your sales, you're watching baseball's pregame show and you feel like jeeter's the Vegas casino greeter. The guy walking downtown in the sand's hotel, the retired athlete just

cashing in on the last embers of his fame went when he used to be Jordan in New York. He got the documentary that was 10 parts that he negotiated with Disney. He got the documentary with full editorial. It was not a documentary. I did Michael Jordan. It was a love. So his last dance. If last dance comes out not during COVID, it doesn't get the reception.

No, it was, no, Michael Jordan keeps that fascination. Michael Jordan was a failure. You can't remember a single thing about a team of his in ownership, a play. You can't remember a play that happened when Michael Jordan owned that team and that failure will not stick to him. He catches out 10 times the price tag

and that failure will not stick to him. Yeah, man 10 times the price tag and that failure will not stick to him. He lost plenty of money year over year. Do you? Thank you, Mike. He operated it at a loss. I didn't say I don't know anything about the Hornets other than what he bought it and what he sold it for. He's a very good at business, but Jordan is not a failure for what he did at the ownership level. His team just weren't good. And he's an athlete just because you're the goat. I'm saying the stain of ownership failure doesn't stick to him. The way Jeremy just slandered and slimed Jeater with it by saying he's, he's saying A-Rod one that Jeater's got to go and ask A-Rod's permission to be on that set so that he can

give baseball opinion. I didn't quite say that, but I did say, and the reality is with Jeter and the Marlins, is it look, at least Michael Jordan sort of stuck it out and continued to do the job, even amidst the failure, trying to improve the team. Derek Jeter made eye contact with a Vissail Garcia to breakfast and signed him to a $55 million contract. Like, it is weird the way that it all went down there.

And I was fine. When Geter left the Marlins, it was fine. It wasn't like I was sitting here, you know, criticizing the guy's character. He got fire Jeremy. But it is fine. But it is the part that changes it is when he now becomes the commercialized pitch man that A-Rod is. Like, his whole thing was, I'm better morally than A-Rod and now they're sitting at the

same table laughing over a Red Sox jersey. It's just not the stuff I ever expected to see from Derek Jeter post career. Billy, your thoughts? I thought the jersey thing was kind of funny. Did you not like it? It was stupid. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't the highest of humor, but you know. That's what we want out of our...

If you're an executive, that's what you're looking for. That's what they're looking for. I mean, that is a moment exactly what they're looking for. It got traffic on social media. I circulated it. Shenanigans. Well, if you circulated it. I mean, that is the barometer.

That's the... How was that London trip? It seemed stupid to me. Metal arc turned me down. I asked to go to London. I thought it was important to have representation. Television is as silly as just put Geter and A-Rod out there. Have them open a box, Tata.

In that way, A-Rod, A-Rod. It wasn't just a box. It was a jersey, a red socks jersey. And then it had Geter on the back. But he played for the Yankees. They're rivals, Dan. David, if I may as someone that's trying to take away all our meals over here, I would rather have a bagel

with cream cheese than have you fly to London and watch the Cardinals. You do get bagels with cream cheese, it's just not H&H now. I didn't like both teams wearing their home whites, not a fan of that. So don't team in at home team. I saw that of that. So, bro, team and at home team. I saw that the Red Sox the other day,

this was offensive to me. I saw the Red Sox were 19 and four in yellow jerseys. And I'm like, get that out of here. Get those yellow jerseys. Get the yellow jerseys out of here. The Red Sox shouldn't be in yellow jerseys. It doesn't bother you that the NBA has home teams playing in dark jerseys now.

It only bothered me this one time in the history of fabric. Red socks shouldn't be wearing yellow jerseys, but they're 19 and four wearing the jerseys. TV really is that easy. Open a box and just have a set of teeth for a face. Works for Gretzky. Don Lebertard Ravens good double up the colds and they are good against every team to

accept the Steelers. I mean, so that's a 14 point win there for the Raven. Yeah. Double up to touch that. Spugats. I think double up is a score like if the colds have 10 and you double them up, you scored 20. I don't think double up.

That's what you do when I do it differently. Okay, but I don't think that double them up like you explain it to me As if I was a part of my way I understand but that's not technically doubling up like I think you use the phrase wrong or something Happen double up plus four. Yes, exactly. Okay. That's what he meant. Of course, um who touched out you never cease to Amazing, he's amazing. He really is he's just he's he's breathtaking in his stupidity. This is the Dane lebatar show with the Stugats. Stugats is Charlie Savage started his career down here in Miami. A cub reporter at the Miami Herald went on to win the Pulitzer Prize as a Washington correspondent for the New York Times covering national security civil liberties and the law important things that is not why we're

having him on we're having him on because you and David Samson, stoners and grateful dead guys might appreciate something that he is credited with having discovered because he wrote the first article or one of the first discovered pointing out that if you start Pink Floyd's album Dark Side of the Moon at just the right time, the Wizard of Oz has a rock opera soundtrack for many minutes. I think it's something that was kind of always lurking around dark side of the moon. He just put it on paper. That is correct.

So he's not the discoverer But he gets credit David you are someone who who enjoys his substances. Would you be Someone who would enjoy this particular experiment. I did not know about this until preparing for today I'm fascinated though. I do want to say Charlie that this is not why I know how good you are. You are not defined by this. Oh, that said, it's damn cool. Well, let me jump in and say thanks for having me on here. Yes, absolutely. I did not invent or discover this thing. Part of what I just wrote about for the New York Times magazine in this experience that I think is why you guys are having me on is that because this article I wrote about it when I was 19 years old as a summer

intern at a small paper in my hometown in Indiana after my freshman year in college appears to be the first documented recorded instance of people talking about it, it gets perversely credited as the sort of origin story of this thing because there's nothing earlier to point to. But absolutely, I didn't discover it. It was a word of mouth thing. It was floating around. It was on the early internet. And I just happened to be the person that first, you know, put pen to paper about it. And so it's completely undeserved credit. And because I've gone on to have this career as a national security reporter, actually

one that fancy price for the Boston Globe before I came to the Times, I got to give respect to Boston. It just as I always give respect to Miami. It just haunts it. It's like it's barnacled itself to my career. And people keep bringing it up. And it has nothing to do with really just haunts it. It's like it's barnacled itself to my career and people keep bringing it up and it has nothing to do with really who I am professionally and yet I can't escape it.

And so I've sort of made my peace with that at this point. Do you feel like it's defined your career? Do you feel that way? I hope come on. Come on. Well, not defined it until this day. I mean, we're having a mom to talk about this. Exactly.

You guys never wanted to talk about presidential power and drones and the books ever about stuff like that. Did you? I do actually, but you don't. I don't. Your most recent article was for the New York Times Magazine about this particular subject, which suggests that all of the smart important things

you've written in your life, all of them do indeed pale, including the Pulitzer Prize winning stuff in the face of this particular article, because you gave stoners 43 minutes of, holy shit, it's weird that this links up this way. Bliss. I almost feel like we, for your listeners who like your colleague here, haven't tried this before.

Maybe we should explain what we're talking about. Yes, please. Thank you, Charlie, doing my job for me. Yes. The reason that you're on, because I I do want to talk to you about drones and the important work that you do, but the reason that you're on is because what a weird coincidence this is that everyone denies, even though when you're experimenting with marijuana and watching this show, watching this movie, rather, you two are taken away for 43 minutes about this can't be a coincidence. It's obviously tied to the film.

Well, you know, it's not a, all right, well, let's start at the beginning. The idea is you put on the Wizard of Oz, you hit mute on your television, and at the third roar of the MGM line that starts the movie, you hit play on your CD of the Dark side of the moon, the pink float album. Okay, actually, that's what you had to do, have to do in the old days of the 90s and so forth. Now, you can just go on YouTube and people have uploaded mashups already and done all the work for you, which one of my arguments is that actually makes it less interesting. It sort of drains a little

the mystique of the event of having to put this thing together, like we used to have to do. But once you do that and you're listening to the sound of the album while watching the visuals of the movie, it sinks up in weird and uncanny ways. Some of them, some of these coincidences or these alignments are lyrical, Dorothy runs away from home. The lyrical home home again, which, Wicked Witch of the West appears in black and confronts Dorothy in her blue dress and glint of the good witch to the couplet black, black, black and blue, blue, blue, and who knows which is which. At the end, the closing heartbeats play when Dorothy's listening to the 10 Wubman's empty chest. And then some of them are total.

So the tornado seems syncopated or choreographed to the great gig in the sky, rising to a frenzy as the twister rolls in. And then just when the debris knocks Dorothy out, it falls to the dreaminess and lullaby, rises again when the house goes up into the air and ends just when the house hits the ground and munchens land. And there's silence door three walks through the house. She opens the door to suddenly color munchkin land and just then the cords of money start and so forth.

This is one coincidence like after another, after another, throughout the movie, at least the first 43 minutes of the movie. Some of them are vivid, some of them are subtle, but it creates a flow. And this flow, this experience, this weird thing, which all the band members have always denied was intentional, just a coincidence, cosmic coincidence, as Roger Waters put it, is often called the dark side of the rainbow, the mashup of these two works. So back in 1995, after trying that out my freshman year in college, I wrote an article about it when I was a features intern at Fort Wayne, Indiana Journal Gazette, my hometown paper, I was writing for a generation X sort of lifestyle's page and thought nothing of it, but that article then I eventually put it online and it became no sort of gradually took on this more legendary status as as we were discussing earlier as the sort of stand-in of the mysterious

origins of whoever possibly for whatever reason the first thought of doing this, lost in the mists what the real origin of this is, and that article then has been credited as a stand-in for whatever the real origin turned out to be. What are the odds of all of these things linking up? Did you have you researched in any way or talked to anybody beyond band members I'm assuming that you believe when they say this is a total coincidence What are the odds against it being a total coincidence? I mean, so yeah, I have no reason to doubt what they said they didn't do this on purpose Why would they have kept it a secret all these years? They didn't have VCRs and the early 70s how they'd even you know readily

Reproduced it in the studio, etc etc I so other people have tried other mashups over time of, you know, playing this song in this movie, or in this other one in this other movie. And it does seem like there will always be some coincidences where the music shifts, you know, the drum starts playing, or the guitar comes in, or whatever, just as

something is happening on screen, it cuts from this scene to the next scene, and someone slams the door, you know, whatever, and it looks like the two have been aligned, and the mind will notice that and imbue it with meaning. What does not seem to be very common with anything else is the lyrical overlaps. There's just so many verbal alignments between what Roger Waters or David Gilmore is singing about at any particular moment and what's happening on the screen. That's why the density of that combined with stuff like the Great Gig in the Sky for Trinidadocene is why this particular mashup of these two huge 20th century mass entertainment works is so famous, has become so famous. We've talked about an album that is 60 years old for 10 minutes.

Give me your two finest minutes on Democracy is falling apart. Well, I don't know about all that, but you know, it's, you know, this is a extremely interesting time. There's no doubt the lead candidate for the Republican nomination for president and the ex-president himself has been indicted federally as whether as well as in New York more may be coming. All eyes are turning down to where you are, South Florida, for Florida, but will be that trial at some point. The whole Trump era has been one unprecedented, norm breaking rules weren't written for

this situation, what's going to happen moment after another, and we just can't seem to get away from that, and it just keeps coming. So very interesting times to be alive and paying attention to all this stuff. Are you surprised in any way that with Republicans and each indictment, his popularity goes up? Well, I think that we're in a very polarized time and there's a natural sort of partisan rally around the flag affect back in the 90s when Republicans were impeaching

Bill Clinton. I think of Democrats, his popularity with Democrats went up as a result of that. And, you know, it may have even had been impeached yet the sort of going after Clinton so much may have actually contributed to his reelection in 1996 as well. So that's kind of how politics works. as well. So that's kind of how politics works. You know, whether that's sustainable, whether he actually, you know, if he actually gets convicted or something, does that break at some point? Do Republicans decide by, you know, backing governor to Santa's down in Florida again, where you are that they could have the same policies, but, you know, none of the baggage. You sort of political observers keep waiting for that to happen

and it keeps not happening, but that doesn't mean it will never happen. But that's where we are now. Charlie, give us one minute on drones if you can. One minute on drones. If you can. Yeah, yeah. It's a lazy question. Yeah, the great issue with drones is that it makes it so much easier to fire or missiles at,

especially terrorist suspects in badlands where we do not have troops on the ground and we don't have any other way, these inaccessible regions that we are shooting at people in situations that we never would have before, and the bar is much lower to doing that. And in situations where the intelligence may not be great because by definition, we don't have people on the ground. We're trying to piece together what's happening from the sky. Different presidents starting with Bush

and then especially Obama have wrestled with what the rules should be in these sort of quasi-war zone areas where there's not actually a fighting going on in any sustained way. There's no ground troops, but there's also not a normal country with a police force that can go and arrest somebody if they're plotting a terrorist attack and take care of the threat that way. And the rules keep expanding and contracting and expanding. So extracting it, Trump really took the handcuffs off that Obama had put on after there were a lot of blowback

from strikes that killed civilians, and Biden put them back on in terms of more centralized vending of all this stuff. At the same time, you know, of course, Biden pulled ground forces out of Afghanistan, which means drones are going to be the only game in town there when there's an, if and when national security officials feel there's a need. And so this, this sort of new 21st century technology that laws of war and so forth were not quite written for and with mine continues to be a real tension point in how we govern ourselves and what the rules are going to be for the world when it comes to, you know, abject violence in some points.

They're also cool though, like at parks to get like cool shots of things, right? The surveillance drones, absolutely. Yeah. And, you know, they're becoming more, just civilian surveillance drones or camera mounted drones are becoming cheaper and better all the time. There's all kinds of interesting privacy, you know, questions being difficult to be raised by that technology. You can just fly your drone and peeking your neighbor's window. At the same time, all kinds of cool journalism and just aerial shots of things that would have cost a fortune before are now readily available.

New technology always brings good and bad together and as we sort of adjust to what the possibilities are. Last question, Charlie, before we let you go, as a national security expert, what were your thoughts on boxes in Trump's bathroom, all of that absurdity? You know, those photographs and the text messages by Trump's aid who were moving the boxes cited in the indictment. It's pretty extraordinary. The sheer number of not just classified but top secret documents that the prosecutor here, Jackson,

it felt like he's able to charge, is kind of surprising to a lot of people. It's gonna raise a lot of difficulties in the months to come in terms of classified evidence because in this country, we have a right to public trial and public has a right to see trials. But the key evidence here was and is apparently notwithstanding what Trump keeps saying,

still very classified. And the sort of thing that the government doesn't want for an adversary is to know about. And so there's going to be a lot of difficulties to sort through behind closed doors with sealed filings and hearings that the public is not going to see in the coming months to sort sort out what evidence can be used in the eventual trial and the weirdness of substituting evidence, you know, summaries for what the actual thing is or a document that's redacted so the jury doesn't see the whole thing or the public see doesn't see the whole thing but the jury does all kinds of different options here. There are going to be months of fighting that we're going to kind of wonder out, wonder about from the outside because we're not going to be allowed in. Charlie, thank you for being on with us. Thank you for the expertise, sir, and thank you for

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