The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: The Dinner to Fix Sports

Episode Date: July 9, 2024

Did Domonique, Pablo, David, and Charlie have the most boring dinner at Carbone of all-time? Their discussion on sports unions carries over from the dinner table as David and Domonique break down the reasons why disbanding a union might actually make sense for the athletes in said union. Then, LeBron once yelled at Domonique, JuJu asks "What's Good?," and David might be able to taste after all. Plus, Chris asks for the crew to continue to bore him while he searches for sound, so we dive into the intricacies of the latest news surrounding NFL Sunday Ticket. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, Fat Face and the Habitual Liar. I started last night's dinner pretty annoyed with Pablo.

Yeah, you're welcome, by the way. Oh, yeah, so first of all, as anyone who knows Pablo and our relationship knows that Pablo has a history of not paying when we go do anything. He paid last night, so I'm proud of you. Thank you so much. All jokes aside. Oh, you charge it to the game?

Yes. I have not. Don't charge it to the game. His eyebrows went up when you said that. Pablo's gonna charge it. You have it wrong. Don't charge it to the game, baby. I have not done anything.

He is 100% expensing at me. I'll have you know, hey John. Triple East Landerer. John, no business was done last night. Let him know, Skippy. So much business was done. So much business was done. I do believe, you know, my treat.

I do believe I will pay for that. Well, in that case. Let me tell you what Pablo, and I'll let you guys be the judge of this situation. The menus were so large. Like the largest menus in the world. So you're admitting that you were wrong. No, I'm admitting that it was a very nice thing

to go to this. Cheesecake factory? I mean literally, like the size of the menu. Love that reference. Bigger. It was like opening up a poster board. Thinner. It's only two pages. Cheesecake's actually not that big, but it's just a very thick. It's too much. So this is what happened. Hate that. Yesterday after the show, which again, Pablo, you did a great job hosting. Sullivan, incredible job finding the guests. The video team, outstanding. Like yesterday I thought was a really good show, especially for the first time we were all together.

We agreed to do a back alley milk chug. We did. With Nick Cirillo, who David Samson fired and took his pension away. After the show, you're not gonna derail me from this. After the show, Pablo said, "'You wanna go to dinner later?' And Charlie and I are like, "'Sure.'" And Pablo said, "'I got a lot of work? And Charlie and I are like, sure.

Pablo said, I got a lot of work to do and pointed to Charlie and asked Charlie to make reservations. Charlie said, OK. So Charlie and I went to lunch. And during the lunch, Charlie was looking on Rezzy. And Charlie and I were talking. You know Pablo is kind of a restaurant snob. So he actually put a good deal of effort

showing me restaurants. You think Pablo like this. You think like this. Before he finally selected a restaurant deal of effort showing me restaurants You think Pablo like this you think like this before he finally selected a restaurant and so we get back It's around 4 35 o'clock and Charlie sends a message to the group chat with the Rezzi Reservation at a very fine restaurant to which I just responded. Okay, and I did too. Yes, you did and Okay, no not to you and Pablo 30 minutes later said, I just texted my friend,

see if we could get us a table at Carbone. That's not exactly what happened. That's not exactly what happened. He actually said, if you check it, cause he didn't mention the name of the restaurant. What he said is, I may have a connect to a better restaurant, would you be open to that? That's not what I said I was.

What a lame, look at me, Louis, whack maneuver. The maneuver was to call it a connect. That is very wild. None of this happened. It's all nasty work. Only this was documented. It is documented, and I'm happy to read it. And you know you have it too.

So not to interject too much, but I would like to add that when Pablo assigned the restaurant picking, me and Dominique both were like, are you sure? You're gonna be the one who actually wants to pick the restaurant. And you're like, I am too busy, I have grandiose plans recording PTFO. Charlie and I have, and David too,

I think we got real husband type energy, where it's like, I'm gonna fight over that. Where we going? Cool, I'm down. Here's the credit card, let's eat. Pablo, eh, not as much husband energy. Very high maintenance. There's always one in a group.

Yeah, which is fine. Which is fine. If you want to be that person, then pick the gosh darn restaurant. And don't have my man stressing trying to make sure that he can accommodate you. And then wait, because you had texted your boy before that. Your connect, as soon as you text your connect.

Why are we putting scare quotes around a word I never said? I would never say that. As soon as you text your connect, you text us, hey, working on a reservation, my bad. Charlie, you off the hook. I working on a reservation, my bad. Charlie, you off the hook. That's it. I need the exact phrasing on the connect. Quote, I asked a friend about a reservation

at a good restaurant. A connect. Damn close to what I said. There's no penalty to cancel this other restaurant, right, question mark? See, just say let's cancel it. That's the part that's annoying there, of like, you guys cool, if we change, it's like. I didn't have the reservation yet, guys. That's the part that's annoying there, of like, you guys cool if we change, it's like.

I didn't have the reservation yet, guys. That's not the part, that is annoying. It may turn out to be nothing, to be honest. This reservation helps immensely, thank you Charlie. I'm trying to manage the feelings of these quote unquote husbands. So ridiculous. Do you know why Dominique's actually mad?

Cause Pablo was late. No, he's going to Carbone again on Wednesday. Exactly! He's getting double boned. He's getting double boned and he had white pants on, he was afraid of soiling his white pants with expensive ass Italian meatballs, which were delicious.

You didn't even order the meatballs. Again, speaking of your lack of husband energy, Pablo arranged this so we get to the table. I did kind of panic at the order. It's family style. So like, all right, and Pablo, Pablo arranged this so we get to the table. I did kind of panic at the order. It's family style. So like, all right, and Pablo, you arranged this. So pick out what we gonna get. You got it. Set it up, Pablo.

You guys like family style? It was very stressful. It was very stressful. And so Pablo goes to the restaurant, he orders a bunch of stuff, no damn meatballs. Top three things on the Carbone menu is the meatballs. And I said, excuse me miss, could you go ahead and put a little meatballs on there?

Cause I don't want these. They came here, some people never been here, they may never come back, they only want meatballs. If anybody wants some lasagna verde, I have like three pounds of it in my fridge, by the way. You took the leftovers? I'm a golden corral guy myself. Yeah, me too brother.

I thought the experience was delightful other than the fact that Pablo was late my pre-dinner was at bubble gum Pablo was late late. You're all staying in the same place aren't you I got a elevator 57 p.m.. And it was 655 as appointed I got down that's late at 650 Samson got down at 653, Charlie got down at 655, you after that. And Chris after that, might I add.

No respect. Who works for you. No respect. And Chris's defense. That's at the table for five? I didn't even know I went. It was a PTFO, you may not know, one of the 29 people who worked for Pablo.

Billy wouldn't have enjoyed it. We talked a lot about Puerto Rico belonging in the Olympics. I didn't say they didn't belong. We actually had a few interesting conversations, one of which was about sports unions, where I was ready to fight David as I always am, and then he agreed with me. This was the most shocking thing of the entire evening.

They agreed? An in-depth discussion about unions in sports between David Sampson and Dominique Foxworth that ended up being a startling amount of harmony and agreement. I was thinking how upset Dan would have been at that dinner because all he wants is for us to disagree and for there to be issues and problems

and everybody fighting in the chaos of it. But the best part about having an intellectual discourse is sometimes you just lay down your king and say that is a great point, I'm gonna think of it that way, you're right. And everybody should do that during conversations. And you don't often do that on the air. But at the restaurant, we both did that.

On a high level, I won. I won at dinner, I won on the air yesterday. Name a time when I was wrong, I didn't lay down. The king was still standing, I'll have you know. Can I help explain why you guys actually agreed on stuff though? I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me the time I was wrong in a conversation with David Sampson.

It's never happened. Never, you're always right. I called Jessica Lucy yesterday, but it's not here. I said in a conversation with David Sampson, I apologize, Jessica Lucy. I like that you're repping that, Juju. Like you're making, you're taking care that we don't possibly sully them.

I like that you're repping the word repping. I don't. You were explaining something. So the thing about unions to both Dominique and David is, and I don't want to step on the points that you guys want to make here, but it's that the actual key to getting what you want inside of one of these boardrooms where owners are negotiating with players is the mutual recognition that a union actually isn't the best way to accomplish the goals that the players especially might actually have.

I think the point that I was making is that there is a fundamental power asymmetry that is almost impossible to address. If you look at the value of one percentage point of revenue for the owners, it equates to a larger sum of money over, into perpetuity. They hand the teams out to their kids. For the players, it equates to tens of thousands of dollars per player, which most likely will be eaten up

by the most popular players. So if you're arguing that we need to go on strike in order to get what we want, actually, the players who go on strike will not get what they want. Whereas like other unions, police officers union. Teamsters. Yeah, teamsters.

You may be in that job for 20, 30 years. So the sacrifice that you would make in order to get a larger piece of the pie may over time build up to be worth it. And that's the fundamental. Our biggest weapon actually is not a nuclear weapon in the way that we want it to seem, whereas for them, it actually is.

And then you compound that by the fact that they have influence in media and players and players and owners are both, I think, sensitive to how they are viewed by the fans. and players and owners are both, I think, sensitive to how they are viewed by the fans. But the owners don't get the direct ire from the fans in the way that players do. Because one part of that, I would say, is because a lot of people don't know the owners. And the second part of it is American people, frankly,

they respect the owners and what the owners have accomplished more than they do the players. I've seen some owners get some pretty bad press. But I would say that you have one problem. As owners get younger, the Gulf is gonna get even bigger because their time horizons are even longer. When you've got octogenarian owners who have not won a title,

they don't wanna shut the game down, they don't want to shut the game down because they don't want to waste another year without a World Series or without an NBA Championship. But you're seeing turnover in ownership ranks. And I think that's gonna even unbalance the power even more. And I think also with a lot of the valuations of the teams going up so high, the people who are getting into ownership

are collections of people who actually want to make money, which is different than older owners who are in this to win championships. And then if you are- Well, it's a different basis. Right, I mean, it's a different reason for owning the team. So then the CBA negotiations becomes about making my investment worthwhile,

which is different than, so there's a different amount of leverage if you don't care about the thing that I care about as much as I care about it. Well, you're seeing it now because private equity, that's the biggest thing going on right now. With private equity being invested into sports teams, they do not care about anything but ROI.

And they can pretend they do in the press conference, but no, the way they make their money, excuse me, is by making money. So the question I have then is what is the actual leverage, what's the most leverage, what is the actual nuclear option for a union, Dominique, when you enter a negotiation against the David Sampson's of sports? Well, the nuclear option is something

that's incredibly risky for both sides, is to decertify the union. Disband that. Yeah, or to disband the union and become an association. And that would then expose the league to antitrust laws. Because right now they can exist as a legal cartel because we're protected by the union. All the teams can cooperate.

If you disband it, which is how we got free agency in football, is what a lot of people don't know that the settlement, a lot of people don't know that the settlement, a part of the settlement was that the NFL required that we reconvene as a union because that gives them the protection to not expose themselves to trouble damages. But the problem is, then you open it up to the legal system

and depends on what judge you get, they might then decide that you're still in the wrong. So it's a real tough place to be in for a union. And you'd have a hard time arguing that the NFL players would be better off not in a union today. Back then, I absolutely understand why that path happened, but the antitrust, as we saw with the lawsuit going on with the NFL right now over Sunday ticket.

That was really over the antitrust exemption as it relates to broadcasting. And the argument was, is that exemption for over the air? Does it apply to these streaming services? So that is a bigger legal issue that the owners are dealing with and that impacts players because of the way you share revenue. Man, what an obnoxious dinner this was last night.

It was something. It wasn't obnoxious dinner this was last night. It was something. It wasn't obnoxious, it was. It was, I loved it. Here's how I'll fix everything. It was kind of that actually. We all sort of said, as the greatest representative of the class of people that we work inside of, what would we do?

And David Sampson, if a union were to decertify, disband, and then enter that process, what would the response be from owners, briefly? Very briefly, what owners would simply say is, we're gonna not do a, we don't need to do a CBA. We don't need to protect any of the majority of the union, which is the union's meant to protect the bottom. So we're gonna just let the bottom people,

we're gonna let them disappear, and we're only gonna deal with the elite elite. It's a dream actually. Yeah, there will be no floor, there'll be no salary cap, there'll be no draft, all the illegal things that you do, there'll be no revenue sharing. So I think that a lot of the smaller market teams

will be pissed, the big market teams will be happier. And then they would declare this. I think that there shouldn't be a mental health month anymore. Stu Gatz here for my friends over at Simply Safe. Imagine a burglary at your home. If you're picturing a shady character sneaking about under the cloak of night, you may be surprised to learn that according to the FBI, most break-ins happen during broad daylight

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Yeah, relationships and going forward, mistakes made there. I would like to say one last thing about our pretentious conversation. I'm shocked that you want the last word against David Samson. Not against, why are they trying to pit us against each other, man?

Well, you do that. No, I don't. You don't need Pablo's help. I don't do it, I just feel like sometimes you say things that have to be refuted aggressively. What do you want to refute? Yes, Dominique.

Nothing, it's nothing that, good job, you learned from yesterday. I don't want to refute anything. I think that the way that you set up the question about to allow me to get into decertification, I think was perfect. But I would say that I want to make it clear that I think it's an incredibly risky maneuver. It's something I've been talking about for

probably close to a decade now with radical take that if i'm given control of the union i'm gonna disband this union it was i mean it's yeah and i think it's it probably is still you're at a disadvantage and also like to the point you're making and i think this could lead us into a conversation about the sunday ticket suit is that not only do the players benefit from the protections that the union provide, including a salary floor and benefits and all those sorts of things, but they benefit from the fact that the league is allowed to behave as a cartel

in the marketplace. And they can function as one unit in order to do things like sell TV rights, which raises the revenue, which increases the players' salaries. But life is pretty good for a lot of players in professional sports. It's good enough that I think it,

not many of them are interested in taking the risk that they would have to take to gain advantages. See, I think it's only good for a few. So I'm interested in your, you obviously are way more involved in the NFL, the union. Do you believe that your union is truly represented, the majority of people I would assume are at the bottom and don't make it, don't ever get rich playing football?

Agreed. I think that it is, you're probably right. It's best for the people at the top. The problem is the people at the bottom, the way that, again, and this is very strategic of leagues in general, by creating a minimum salary that changes based on how many years you spent in the league, you force out the guys who aren't great. And you get guys back in the league for three more years, who will only be in the league for three more years. So they do not have the level of cash or buy-in to be willing to sacrifice enough to get the gains that they need. The people who are in the league long enough and in the union long enough have

signed big contracts. And those are the guys who are like, hey, let's blow this all up to fix it for these other guys that we barely even know. Hell no. It's just, it speaks to the power dynamics which are all based on the time horizon in CBA negotiations. What you're saying there is that because there's a minimum amount of time that you need to have been in the league employed to qualify for something like a pension

and be vested, you have owners, GMs, that are cutting people loose before that if they're not actually worth the extra cost that getting them to the product would cost. I wouldn't say that at all. Yeah, not exactly. I think the point that I'm making is that in order to, so no one grows up saying, I can't wait to get in the union so I can participate

in a CBA negotiation fight or a labor stoppage. They wanna get to the NFL to play. So it takes more than three to five years for guys to understand, whoa we're not getting a fair shake. And by that time if you're still in the league you have like graduated from the group that is getting the short-end and stick to the group that is making enough money that I don't want to create waves. So it's hard to galvanize an entire group when the way that CBA is structured,

there's a divide right down the middle, or not even down the middle. There's 25% of the league that's getting caked up. Then everyone else is in and out revolving door. I can see Chris falling asleep. All I'm missing right now is a little spicy rigatoni. And then a little nap right around the corner. I got a little pick me up.

Billy Gill. Me? What's good? What's good? All my friends are here today. Nice. Dominique, what's good? I'm undefeated in debates versus David Sampson.

Charlie Cravit swears that dinner was more interesting than this. We talked about this for five was like i was mostly drinking eating pasta yeah i guess i was this is all dinner is like this last like five minutes here everyone else we got to this conversation because i was telling them that one of the biggest mistakes that i felt that i made at the basketball union was um just hubris frankly don't want to hear your stories behind the

closed doors of how rich people in sports actually operate. They're too sleepy for that apparently. Did I tell you about the time LeBron James yelled at me? That's a great story. Was Brian there? Was Brian there? That you wanna hear.

We were at summer league and so there are rep meetings and LeBron was on the executive committee and I was in like the upper management of the union for the basketball team, for the basketball league. You were the COO. Yeah, and so we had a meeting with just them and it was like Steph, LeBron, Steve Blake was on it, like guys like that were.

Where's Steve Blake from? Steph, LeBron, Steve Blake. Where's the look up on Louis Button? Steph, LeBron, you Blake. Or Steph LeBron. You're going through all these people you've met with? Yeah, so anyway, we're in a meeting, and LeBron really wanted to address lifetime medical for players when they retire.

Wanna make sure Bronnie was covered? And I said that we should make sure that the league pays for that. And LeBron was like, no. We'll ask them to pay for it. If they don't pay for it, we'll pay for it. And I was like, well, we're in negotiations, sir. So how about we not just go-

Mr. King James, sir. I mean, I was younger and more arrogant. And so I wasn't like- More arrogant. Yeah, more, more than now. Yeah, I wasn't as deferential as I guess he expected, so he put his foot down and essentially like, no, we are paying, and it's like an incredibly noble point,

and it's like I have no leg to stand on, you're LeBron James, you're also right, and I'm just a new guy who is five, 11. So how fast did you give up? I pushed back twice and then he yelled and I was like, we're done. But you guys were on the same side. Yeah, not in that argument.

It's music to my ears when you want the infighting like that. It wasn't fighting, it was. You're coming up with your positions though. Right, yeah. You guys don't have infighting, obviously. Yeah, a ton of them. Yeah, obviously.

But having LeBron James try to give a position instead of you, it would be as though you want to be, you wanna play. He hired you to do a job and then didn't let you do it. It also seems weird that you were trying to get more for him and he was like, no, I want less, please. No, I think that it was, from his perspective, it was something too important to leave up to us trying to negotiate it, which I respect

He was willing to it's your job. Yeah This is I'm not alert I'm not and this is where I disagree and this is where a lot of the problems came at my time with the Union was Like it's this arrogance that I'm here to do to run this union when in actuality you are there to here to do to run this union when in actuality you are there to enact the will of the players they own the union the unions plan is not going to be effective unless everyone the most important people buy in which are the players and if I say LeBron James shut up I'm smarter than you this is the way we do it if he doesn't believe in it the players won't believe in it and then we

have no leverage you have to sell your intelligence better because this is, you're bringing up what happens in negotiations when you guys negotiate with your employer. When you negotiate your own contract. Dawn. You don't know best about what you should be getting from management. You are a great example, Pablo.

During your contract negotiation, it was like amateur hour, but that's not your job. You're a Harvard educated, Pablo. During your contract negotiation, it was like amateur hour. But that's not your job. You're a Harvard educated PTFO guy, but certainly you were not equipped to negotiate your own contract. I think that's the problem. You just revealed a lot.

I think that's an insult. I don't know what happened there. You know, it's good when you're on the plane and then no one, like you're on a window seat and the aisle seat guy is here already and nobody comes for the middle seat, the whole plane ride, elbows everywhere. That's good.

That is good. You give a little fist bump to the guy, like in the eyes, like no one's here. Look at us, Joe. You can pretend that you're the nicest guy in the room, but do you, when they're walking back and you've got the middle seat open, are you giving like dirty looks?

Like you better not be sitting there. Are you talking about like I'm Southwest? Right, no, you just wind up, you just get fat. Or like dirty looks? Like you better not be sitting there. Or when it's a big person. It's like when Forrest Gump was trying to find him in his bus and he's like, can't sit here. You smell your armpit and then make a face. You like make a face, you're like, ooh. So one of the tricks you can use, and it totally works,

especially post COVID, it's the cough trick. It is fancy. Is that what you've been doing the entire week? That's similar to the smell the armpit thing. I don't get the's the cough trick. It is fans. Is that what you've been doing the entire week? That's similar to the smell the armpit thing. I don't get the smell of the armpit. It's just like you're checking yourself and you make a face. Oh, so you smell.

On Amtrak, as Dominique knows. That's funny. Assigned seats now. What? No, but you ride first class on the Acela. No. So when COVID hit, they started assigning seats. The Acela used to be find your own seat.

Yeah, but now it's assigned seat. But I do remember. I know what an Acela is, but for Billy. So from DC to New York, there's a slightly faster train, still slower than the fastest trains in the world because of politics and money. Like our Bright Line, we have Bright Line. Yeah, so it goes.

It doesn't kill as many people though. It goes from DC to New York and stops a bunch of different plays. I mean, yeah, it goes all the way to Boston, but it stops it like Delaware. And so if you are on the East Coast, and you're going up to New York a lot, you take the lot. I learned that I had jumped the shark on pre-COVID

on the Assela, because I always wear a hoodie and I always am black, so people choose not to sit next to me. And then there came a time when a little old lady got on the train and there were a bunch of old-whippin' seats, and she sat right next to me with my hoodie on, it's pulled down, I'm looking as intimidating as I possibly can look, and I realize, I'm cooked.

I'm- You realize that this lady is celebrating Black History Month every month? No, she not. She just didn't see me as a threat, and now my feelings for her. It's like it's one of the few benefits. One of the few benefits.

One of the few benefits is nobody wants to be around me. But why do you wanna sit next to me, lady? Go sit over there. That guy has on a suit. Where did all of the white American boys go Goodie worked out better in my head. That's on me. Did you say anything to her? No, I mean I talked to her on the trip Oh, you see you did. Yeah, but she sat down. I was like you got me That's got me awesome. Talk Union

Put it asleep Awesome. Talk union. Yeah. Put her to sleep. So anyway, that is a trick that you can use. You don't have to leave it up in the air. So I would just think about that when you're going forward. I use a tuna sandwich.

No, but then that impacts you too. I love tuna sandwiches. The smell of tuna sandwiches on a plane. I love tuna. I think that's wrong when people do that. Yeah, great. I love tuna too. You love the smell of tuna sandwiches on a plane.

I don't say I love the smell of it, but I do. He just said I love tuna and I agree with him. 17 Americas. Yeah. What? Wait, David, in your current state, if you saw someone with a tuna sandwich not being able to smell it,

would you be like, I'm gonna ruin this person's day and take the seat next to him? So I would not sit next to that person. Just sit down and be like, got extra? Having nothing to do with the smell, I'd be worried about crumbs, I'd be worried about sort of mess. Hold on.

But it's not the smell. So the smell, I can walk through New York City like a champion now. It doesn't impact me at all. Last night, we went to one of the most delicious restaurants in the country. You said it smelled good? Did you catch him?

Did he say it? Stephen Wanda's situation? Yeah. I said it smelled good? Did you catch him? Did he say it? Stephen Leiners situation? Yeah. I said it smelled good. No, no, no, no, no, no. I caught you saying it. I didn't realize it. But looking back, you ate that crouton.

You said, mmm. And I said, the crouton's amazing. Yes, it was. You can taste. You've been lying, Stephen. I'm lying. It's true. Got his ass.

I have full taste because of the crouton. We got him. Take it true. I have full taste. Cause of the crouton. We got him! Take it back. You finally got me. Spare has been lying for attention. The crouton was slick and crisp and buttery and it was, I'd never tasted a crouton like that. But you tasted it last night?

I, yes. So you can taste? I don't know that I tasted it the way you tasted it. I don't know that it had the flavor that you had the flavor of, but it felt amazing. You sound like a celebrity that's like a guest judge on a cooking show. Like where you're trying to hang with like the guys

that know like, they're thinking like, this tastes slick and crunchy and buttery. This is delicious. Cause like I've always envied those celebrities that go on those shows. They're crutch words. How do they know so much? it's like oh, no, they're just saying words. I've never heard a crouton described as slick though Yeah, I was sort of bags of sand Wasn't so yeah

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I like when we have different EPs and you learn their moves. I like that Chris's move is I'm just going to sit around and for somebody say something funny clip that baby clip that he's trying to make everyone forget Zurbia so just highlighting every other mistake so we so we can't get Zurbia clipped until you're not in the EP chair huh all right send me Zurbia yes you don't need to protect yourself. This is a safe area. We want you to feel good and relaxed. We want to report back to Dan that everything was great,

that this crew that was put together got along. I don't think we're in a position to talk about Caitlin Clark, this is what Dan would say. Jessica and Lucy aren't here, we shouldn't be talking about women's sports. Ah, this is a, I'm never here when that sentence comes out of his mouth. I'm not sure if that's what she was doing right there,

but I feel like one of the top, in America, no one watches more WNBA than me. That's Rebecca Lobo included. Count them. So, finished, I'm so sorry for interrupting. Oh no, no, no, that's perfect. Listen, let's go. You got a I'm like, salute, salute, salute. So, finish, I'm so sorry for interrupting. Oh, no, no, no, that's perfect. Listen, let's go. You got a minute for us, you got something,

you got some takes, what you got going on here? I mean, I can do it whenever we ready. If the producers are ready, I can go, but. Hey, get my man a sound bed. I'll give you a thumbs up when I'm ready. Well, fine. Oh, cheers, God Chris. Hey, Chris, find something with a little something to it.

Don't give him a whack sound bed. All right, we can look, we can take a break to find the sound bed. Yeah, take a with a little something to it. Don't give him a whack sound bed. All right, we can take a break to find the sound bed. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I want Chris Cody to audition for us the potential sound beds. I like that, I like that. I'll let you know when I have them. He's got all this board in front of him.

We always get in trouble for that, like calling for video when the video guys aren't ready or asking the EP to be ready with something. in front of him. We always get in trouble for that, like calling for video when the video guys aren't ready or asking the EP to be ready with something. I thought the job of the EP, and I could be totally wrong, is just to know what we're doing before we do it. He's not a mind reader. I do think that we do have a little opportunity here though

to sneak back into a little bit more sports business talk, or should we put the sports business talk later in the show? Have we gone too heavy sports business? Cause we haven't done- This is a good dilemma for Chris Cody. We haven't- Chris Cody, do you wanna hear more hyper intelligent first class sports business discussion?

Or do you wanna play the sounds that we've asked you to play? Bore me. This is not a good sign for the rest of the show. We could do locker room. It's not boring. NFL Sunday ticket, I think Dominique, is not boring. I agree that it's not boring,

but I'm looking in the shipping container and they are our audience surrogates. And as soon as you said NFL Sunday ticket lawsuit, everybody looked down. Look at them. I like that they were, everybody on the stand was taking opportunity to talk shit about that everybody on the stand was taking opportunity to talk shit about each other on the record.

Like that was interesting to me. But Roger Goodell was like, you know what? The NFL network kinda sucked. So you know what we're gonna do? We're gonna sell our product to Amazon for $20 billion. Jerry Jones, talk shit on the angles. What would it take to interest people? This is really where my head is.

Did you hear a little bit of music just I did I did not I did I heard it That was an accident Jerry Jones Jerry Jones nice try Jerry Jones took shots at the Bengals Than he hates the Bengals what's the number Jerry Jones took shots at the back in RCB negotiates Jerry Jones openly? And it was always the Bengals as that, getting after them because they took forever to sell the naming rights to the stadium. And so, because of revenue sharing, if you can get over a certain threshold, you don't have to pay money to certain teams.

And all the teams in the league were selling their stadium naming rights, and the owner of the Bengals was like, nope, we are going to celebrate my dad and keep his name up there. And Jerry's like, you're not maximizing profits, why should I have to send you money? So that's one of the reasons why he hated it. Steinbrenner used to say that, and it made me crazy, because it doesn't matter. If you're not sending it to the Brown family,

you'd be sending it, it'd be recalculated, and it'd go to different people. It's not like Jerry Jones would get a discount in relation, in lockstep, to what the Bengals' naming rights deal with. It just feels like a free rider problem, where it's like you guys, and this is the issue with operating as a cartel,

which is very different than European sports, is that you get to be a free rider in certain situations. You don't even have to be competitive. If you don't want to, you just sit back and make money. And that's how we get pissed off when they make a lot of money and complain about us wanting more money. The amount of money at stake in this lawsuit

when you account for the treble damages, which is again, triple the damages, which happens under antitrust law, is $14.4 billion. Under a violation of antitrust law, but I wanna get it down more granular. And what I was trying to get to with Billy and maybe getting everyone's interest, what's the amount of money that you want in your pocket?

What refund would you take? I mean, I'm never gonna have a refund. No, no, I mean. So this is awesome. You might actually, I just put in a claim for the NBA Top Shot settlement. So did I. Yeah, but they said you're gonna get like three cents

per Top Shot you own or something. I want my nickel. They will send to me, or in the form of a Target or Amazon gift. What'd you pick? Did you pick the debit card? Did you pick the gift card? I picked the gift card.

Oh my God. What, from where? I want a gift card. I feel like a member of the shipping container now. I know it. YouTube, Adam Jamison from YouTube says, shut up in business, so keep the party going. No, I don't care. Hey Adam, respectfully, Chris, you got some music?

Oh. Oh, shit. Where y'all been hiding these slaps? That ain't it, that ain't it, bro. It's better than I anticipated. It's better than we expected. Hold up, you got Lucy Sal? I mean, you got... Oh my God, again.

Brother, I hate to do this to you. I'm not stressed how real a mistake that is. Pinnacle three box, my man. So that's it. All right, press the button, press the button. He's gotta go. I will, okay. And nobody said earlier,

but those are some 90s ass shorts you got on too, brother. They're stock 80s. Those quads. They're so high up his leg. Don't be scared of the quads. What about this one? No, I gotta figure this out.

I had the first one up there. Chris is leaking self-confidence. At a rate that is going to accelerate now that Dominique has left the room. So what interests me about the Sunday ticket lawsuit is that there were people. The shipping container might get money out of this. Who immediately went on the air and said,

you could be looking at $5,000 for every person who ever had Sunday ticket. And I went on Nothing Personal and said, if you're holding out for your five grand, do yourself a favor, like you're gonna turn blue. Because there's so many steps left. But the media reported, oh, it's trouble damages, it's 14 billion dollars, this could be $200 million per club,

and it was a whole McGilla. But it's gonna go all the way to the Supreme Court. The issue here. Which is a fascinating This is already cool if they would accept it And I think they will because getting rid of the antitrust exemption for broadcasting is a possibility but really it's combining over the air and streaming and If we're gonna say that streaming is now the same as over the air in every way That's a big deal. So the very basics of this are relatable truly

to anybody who watches the NFL. Or TV. Or TV. But it starts with a very basic premise that if you are a Saints fan living in Los Angeles or a Dolphins fan living in New York, to watch the games of the team that you love, you need to pay now $349.

To get every team in every game. To buy Sunday ticket. You don't get to buy a Malacart. You don't get to get now $349. To get every team in every game. To buy Sunday ticket. You don't get to buy a Malacart. You don't get to get a piece meal. You need to buy everything to get anything. And so lawsuits have been brought, a class action lawsuit has been brought, started by this sports bar,

and everybody joined in, all of these consumers, alleging that it's anti-competitive to force people to pay up to buy all of the NFL stuff when they only want some of the stuff. And that there are competitors out there who would have paid less for this ticket, ESPN, it came out of the trial, hey, let's do it for 70 bucks. And the NFL came out and said, no, thank you,

we like charging $359 to our people. And I get it, if the if the basically the customers will pay the price then you charge that price and Customers were paying the price for Sunday ticket But the thought is it could be available for cheaper elsewhere and Roger Goodell gambled on this not being a thing He would need to answer to to a a $15 billion judgment, and now it might go to the Supreme Court. It's gotta go first to an appellate level,

then to the Supreme Court, but we're talking years. So what happened is the media business personalities, not Skipper and not myself, were coming out and saying, get ready, you're getting money. And I just thought that was irresponsible, because people like Billy were thinking, hey, maybe I'll get some cash. It's not gonna happen.

I did not think that. Did you know for sure immediately? I will never get money from a class action lawsuit of any kind ever. You could opt in. I'll get 14 cents. I know how these things go. Also, I'm not gonna.

What? Huh? Class. I just to bring everybody behind the curtain here. If you're not watching on YouTube or the DraftKings Network, what you are seeing, what you should be seeing, is Chris Cody's face whenever he tries to press a button. And it's been the face of a man with zero confidence. You've been killing it, Chris. Small windows, sometimes the windows close on your fingers. But we now have a big window to do the thing

we've been waiting for, which is play music suitable for JuJu Gotti. Oh, I don't hate this one. Smooth. This is smooth, this is smooth. I think Lisa Leslie would like this one as well. Salute to Simone Augustus. It's as good as it's going to get right here.

Yeah. 50 seconds left. So I'm going to wait. Yeah, that's all right. We just tested out. One minute. I mean, WNBA. Pablo, I see you. Give me some Pablo. So I can give you a lot right now, but I'm going to wait to Pablo. I think it's too much. You got freestyle, Pablo. Are we about to do a cypher?

Yeah, cypher. David Samson, get in there. You got freestyle, Papa? Are we about to do a cipher? Cipher. David Sanderson, get in there. Can you freestyle, David? Let's go. I've actually never been able to do that. Try. Really?

I can only do 50 minutes. There has never been a less essential use of the word actually in the history of speech. Can you rhyme? Only when I have the time. You got 16 seconds. Oh, you just did it. Oh.

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