The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: The Honey Hole (feat. Domonique Foxworth)

Episode Date: October 3, 2025

"Where's the sugar slot at?" Jeremy has words for Tony after yesterday's accusations. Roy continues to blame his wife for something that was obviously his fault. Domonique teaches us some new football terminology. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there.

That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here. the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar. This episode of the Dan Lebitard show was presented by Draft Kings. Draft Kings, the crown is yours. Tony has built a nice little side hustle that involves MMA, MMA hangouts. He does live streams during some UFC events.

I'd like to see him start doing some boxing, but he's going to be hanging out here tomorrow night, the Dead Flamingo. You can watch him live if you want to, follow the UFC action. Those are a lot of fun. He has a lot of fun with them. MMA Hangout, presented by Boost Mobile, UFC 320. Main Card Fight, Anklev versus Panera. Jeremy, Tony came after you yesterday and made the accusation accusing you of, you know, Botox, I think. Yeah, that's exactly. Having, having work done. From Mr. Creatine himself.

Ooh. Damn. If anyone's artificially inflating the way that they look, I mean, it's certainly not me. lacking for confidence and just because everybody around here's been not reckless he's talked about it himself here is something we like to call reckless speculation yeah he's talked about you're good yeah you know I'm just saying I don't need anything to affirm myself I'm good in where I'm at you know you don't sound defensive I feel confident where I'm at you know everybody's been been publicly kind of praising the way I look which I don't love the way that that works with weight, but I'll take it.

And look, I'm just going to say it. That hat was pulling my eyebrows back. I look crazy in that photo. But to accuse me of Botox, throwing stones from a glass house, my friend. You don't want to go much further. You're good now. You're thin enough. Yeah.

I felt like there was a little extra on Mr. Creatine. Yeah, well, I don't need enhancements, you know? I'm not here trying to change much. I'm just trying to be healthy, Dan. I don't think that creatine counts as a natural. supplement, but I do think creatine is viewed as not immoral, that it is not...

Tony would take steroids, let's be honest. Like, who do you... I think... There's probably like four or five people here that would take steroids. I think. Number one on the list. Do you want to name them? Do you think there are four or five people who would take steroids? The top five people in the office? That would take steroids or HGH.

You don't think? Who do you think? Mike would take steroids. Mike Ryan or Fentis? Fuentes might take steroids. Wentz strikes me as too lazy for steroids. I can see Fuentes' thing in steroids. I think that Tony would take steroids. My grind for sure.

I think Jeremy would take steroids. What about Dominique? You do. Dominique would not take steroids. He's a moral creature. He only accuses the Brian Flores dolphins of being unethical. He does not. He has his dignity and his moral rectitude.

Who do you believe Dominique would be our top three rankings on potential steroid users in the office here? Well, I mean, I think definitely Tony's near the top. The idea of someone being too lazy to take steroids, wow. I mean, I thought the point of taking steroids was so you didn't have to work that hard, Fuentes? Like, you're too lazy to cheat? That's a level of laziness that I didn't know existed. But yeah, I mean, I think Mike cares about his appearance, but I don't think, I think Mike has a little more integrity in that to take steroids. I really think it's just Tony.

Like, Tony's the only one. I think high school baseball Chris would take steroids because other people were taking steroids, but then he wouldn't follow up with like the next cycle. So it wouldn't be super effective. He would get those steroid boobs because he just did like three cycles and then didn't finish the job. The steroids, man, like I, I think I was naive and thought no one was using PEDs while I played. And like anyone who was using it got caught. But then I got older and started to realize that they add new substances to the list almost every year.

and that like for all leagues they add new substances almost every year to the list so I'm like well why do you need to add that probably because you found some of that somewhere you're trying to keep it out the league going forward and then the HGH testing is just too difficult to keep up with

because you got to do like blood testing and all that stuff so I don't know feel like I left some money on the table yeah do you look back and say man I should have done steroids everyone was doing it like what was I thinking I think I mean with HGH it like increases everything grows and like increases your chances of cancer and stuff like that. So I kind of don't really have any regrets, honestly.

I wish that no one was doing it. But it was also like the thing was the you could get an exemption for like certain amphetamines. So like people would have, who had ADHD would use get an exemption. But it's essentially you want speed. So like you could you can get a prescription and then you could. And that was for the NFL so that you could use like Adderall or something like that and there is some performance enhancing like nature to having that even I mean even

if you're not including the physical part it's like a mental focusing that could help you that a lot of guys would use back when I played I don't know if they're still doing that but it was a thing you can't even get I'm smelling salts anymore you got to bring your own salts they have they say so like not to make light of this situation but like was there like a doctor that you guys knew you'd go to and the doctor would be like okay Dominique we have to You'd be like, what, what, what? And you just like, like, looking around the room and like, oh, well, Dominique, I guess he has ADD. Like, we got to give them trusting here.

I mean, I don't know. I didn't meet that doctor, but we had team doctors, but I guess to get a prescription, you'd have to go to an outside doctor. But the harder part, I think, was getting exemptions. I think the league wasn't just, like, giving exemptions to everybody. So to getting an exemption, that was the more difficult part. But I imagine, like, of all the doctors that there are in the world and how football obsessed we are, you probably just had to go to a doctor and say, hey, hey, doctor.

Doc, having a hard time concentrating. You want us to win this weekend, right? Ricky Williams talks about doctors going down, or not doctors, but flight attendants going down on the team flight on the way home with just a tray filled with all sorts of pain pills on them. I would imagine that you found yourself surrounded by a resplendence of pain pills, no? No. Honestly, like, I saw some crazy things on some team flights.

But the tray of pain pills wasn't it. Like, there was, guys needed, like, there's, there is some need for that stuff. So I'm sure there were people abusing it. There people abuse everything in this world. But the doctors and the trainers knew the guys who needed the stuff and then you would get it as you were going back to your seat because they would be like in the front of the plane. But it wasn't like, and it would be like in a bag, it'd be discreet. It wasn't a big thing.

People walking through the aisles with trays. That's, I feel like some 1960s stuff where they were smoking cigarettes. halftime. That seems wild to me. Wild things you've seen on the flights. Go on. Oh yeah. I'm not telling us. I mean, fights, stuff like that. Yeah. All the rest of that stuff, nah. You're not getting that out of me. Well, I'll tell you in private. I'm not telling people on this broadcast. But yeah, fights. We'll just leave it at that. I'll call you later. Dominique, earlier today, Roy revealed that he burned his hands. And then he went on to blame his wife for saying something that upset him and distracted him.

and then he grabbed a hot pan without the glove on because, again, it was his wife's fault for saying something to him. That's right. Do we believe that it was Roy or his wife's fault for burning his hand? Well, I mean, I think we all know that it's Roy's fault for burning his hands. I mean, I don't think Roy was blaming her. He was just explaining the circumstances for why he ended up being distracted, right? No, he was blaming her.

He said it was her fault. I was explaining how much of it that it was her fault. Well, I mean, it depends on what she said. Like, what did she say? She's saying something absurd? That is, I mean... I don't remember because I burnt my hand, Dominique. Okay, so it wasn't that big.

He's like, the Panthers are missing the playoffs. Well, in that case, Barcliffe isn't that important. Oh, it was in both hands. Something truly blasphemous. I thought, Dominique, that the 49ers produced the single most impressive victory I've seen from any team this season. Tell me why I'm wrong. Give me another one that was more impressive than what the 49ers. Niners did without quarterback one, wide receiver one, wide receiver two, wide receiver three,

defensive end one and tight end one. It was a very impressive win. I don't know that I could tell you one that was more impressive, but I think I could explain it in a way that makes it a little less impressive. So like we can go through all the X's and O's things, but also football because they're like so few possessions, the outcomes can be fickle. And when the Rams had two fumbles, a miss field goal, a drop pass that led to a miss field goal, a blocked extra point.

The 49ers had a fumble that the refs decided wasn't a fumble on forward progress. Mack Jones threw an interception down the middle of the field that was dropped by one linebacker. Had he not caught it, it would have gone right into the back to the safety who was waiting for it.

All these things happened in the game to make the results seem different. So I don't think the 49ers are better than the Rams today, which is I know an absurd thing to say because they're four and one and leading their division that the Rams are in. And I don't think that the 49ers played better than them overall last night. But all the pivotal kind of it could go this way or could go that way type of plays that decide a game.

When you fumble in the red zone, you have a pitch that bounces off a running back's face. All those things went in the 49ers direction. But, I mean, McCorkels did. I mean, he played well. He had the two-faced suit on. That's a big night for McCorm. There just haven't been that kind of surprise in the league. I know Cleveland beat Green Bay, but to be an eight and a half point.

dog to be that injured. Does Kyle Shanahan have some sort of secrets when it comes to helping quarterbacks be better? Because while you mentioned that Mack Jones did have some bad throws, it was by percentage. It was only

two off target throws according to PFF on 49 dropbacks. Yeah. PFF is a great resource. But one day I want them to release the play-by-play grading system because I've had some disagreements with them over the years where people that I thought had good games, they said had bad games, but that's a whole

another conversation. I think Mack Jones was really good last night, and the one bad throw that I'm talking about wasn't the problem. But it seems that what Kyle Shanahan is able to do is through formations and motions, he makes the things look more complicated to the defense than they are to the quarterback. And the Rams have like a marriage of things on their defense that don't match up really well. They have small corners who haven't performed very well in a really great defensive line. So like, if you have a really good defensive line, love to have big corners who are comfortable pressing or good corners who have great lateral movement who can press to buy you an extra tenth of a second, two tenths of a second for the

pressure to get home because they were winning up front, but they were getting rid of the ball so quickly and they were attacking the linebackers into cornerbacks, which are kind of the weaker points of the Rams defense. So I think from a scheme standpoint, I'll give Kyle Shanhan a ton of credit because it never looks that hard for his quarterback. It never looks that confusing. The reeds seem pretty obvious and they attack horizontally, which I think creates like a higher percentage of success. If you're going like vertically down the field, it's harder to have success on those deeper passes. So they like stretch your defense horizontally and they attack the weak parts of every defense that they play. But the things that they do from week to

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some limp dab. Oh, no. Damn, damn, damn. Stugats. I disowned them. I threw him right under the bus. I was like, whose kid is that out here dishing out limp dab? This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. If Shanahan had lost that game last night,

it would be 19 times that his teams have blown double-digit leads. That's by a factor of like 10 more than any other coach in the league. What's happening, and playoffs included, what's happening there? I mean, I think he gets conservative. He's a conservative type of play caller. What I always kind of respected about Kyle Shanhan was he doesn't want to get the third down. It feels like the way he calls his plays, like, I don't want to get the third down. And that's great because when you're trailing, that's great because he's going to throw early.

He's going to run more tricky plays and screens and stuff to kind of create explosives. But later in the games, like I see that again, but he's trying to run the ball, they run the clock. And the defenses are not playing with the same level of aggressiveness. And I think Kyle Shanahan's offense gets stagnant and kind of boring when he has a lead. And I think it catches up to him. And then he's just been traditionally kind of conservative on fourth downs. And the funny thing is the greatest criticism of Kyle Shanahan, single play call and criticism, was him being too aggressive in that Falcons game when he was the offensive coordinator and decided to throw in that situation.

So that turned bad on him. And I think that burned him. And I think it's in the back of his mind from here on out. I'm not doing no damn dropback passes when I have a lead and the game is within reach. I want to ask you about the decision making in overtime. How many coaches, and I know all of the formulas have changed on going forward on fourth down? Give me the number of coaches in the league that you believe in that fourth and one situation with his team down by three and in field goal range who are going forward on fourth and one instead of trying to kick the field goal to just tie the game in overtime because the game ends if you don't make it. And I say this as someone who always prefers the coach to show confidence in his offensive players to get a single yard.

You were ahead of the curve on this because I remember like almost a decade ago hearing you talk about like, would I rather be confident or am I more confident in my ability to get one yard or put the defense out there and stop them and all the other things and hit the extra, or excuse me, hit the field goal and then put my defense out there. Like I think getting one yard makes more sense. I wish I could give you an accurate answer, but the times are changing and they still are in flux. I think we are moving to a point where the vast majority of the league will go for it. I'm not sure if we're there yet. I think in that situation, there are a lot of things being weighed.

But when you're the better team and you're at home and you expect the win, I think almost 100% of coaches in that situation would go for it. If you're the 49ers in that situation and you're on the road, and you're dealing with a ton of injuries or like the Cowboys is a good example when they're playing the Packers. I think the Cowboys were perfectly fine with a tie at that point. I think the underdog in those situations and the road team might be more prone to do it. But most of the time, we can get a yard, especially when the offense is your strength running up the middle. That's a little bit predictable, but I still think most coaches would go for in that situation. Give me the names of players you believe to be better defensive players than Fred Warner.

better. That's a tough one. Miles Garrett is probably more impactful and he the same way Fred Warner is versatile and can impact the pass and run. I think the reason why Fred Warner is so special is linebackers have gotten smaller and Fred Warner is one of those guys. And so teams are started to offensive, but started to get bigger linemen and try more aggressive downhill rushing attack in order to like attack the fact that we're getting smaller. And the line. to be able to cover guys and do and run down outside zone. But Fred Warner is someone who is a smaller linebacker, but still plays the run with a physicality and aggressiveness.

So like when we hear people saying we're devaluing running backs, we're devaluing off the ball linebackers, not the right ones. The right ones are as worth it as anyone, especially. And I think this is the reason why Fred Warner exists and is in San Francisco is because Kyle Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan's disciples are, like intentionally, week to week, I think the first thing they look at is what linebacker can we attack?

Is he small so we can run at him? They do that every week. Is he too big? So we're going to put him in isolation and take advantage of him? Yeah. So I think that Kyle Shanahan, when looking for linebackers,

him along with John Lynch, they're looking for guys like this. And when they find one like Fred Warner, they'll pay him whatever he wants because they know how teams like them look at approaching defenses like theirs. You were critical via text at some of our analysis recently when we were talking about the lack of explosive plays in the league, the number of plays that are just checkdowns or thrown balls at the line of scrimmage. And one of the things I was lamenting is just the fear of the turnover.

The turnover has become such a valuable thing that people aren't taking risks down field. Our analysis you thought was bad. What was bad about it? I didn't think that your analysis was, your individual analysis was bad. I think that generally it's a kind of a thing that's annoyed me for the past few years in football analysis as people talk about how two high safeties have taken away the deep threat. And it's just not a true statement. Like that cover two was the second cover coverage ever invented.

Like there are ways to attack the honey holes on the side, deep middle. Like you think of those scene passes that Dak Prescott throws all the time down the middle is like those are designed to be cover two. Cover four is, I mean, it's wide open to posts and deep. digs. Like there are ways to attack all of these coverages. You can do a speedo concept, a dagger. Like there are tons of ways to attack the concept. So I think that if explosive plays are down, and I looked it up. There were 111, I think, last week, explosive plays against two high versus 150 versus single high. So it just like kind of feels like wrong analysis that a lot of people have been propagating. And it felt like you guys were kind of doing the same

thing, which is not your fault. But I think it's important to be clear that if If explosive plays are going down, it's not because people are playing with too high safeties. It's, for whatever reason, it might be the risk aversion to turnovers. It could be protection. It could be lack of playmakers. It could be quarterback's inaccuracy. But I think the explosive plays can't really be stopped by. And like single high, you can play cover two sounds like a better coverage.

But like single high, you can be playing cover three, which is three guys deep, which you would suggest you would think means that it's even harder to. to get a big place. But we don't think of cover three the same way we think of cover two. Man, where have I been? I've never heard honey holes before. Is that a spot on the field? What other delicious areas of the feel are there?

There's a lot of holes. So like the rat, what we call like a rat coverage is because you want someone in the hole. The hole is considered like the middle of the field. Go on. Low middle of the field. But the honey hole is like those sideline spots.

Yeah, the good stuff. Where like cover two corners are responsible for the flats and the deep cover two safeties are deep half. And as you can imagine, the further you get away from the corner, the closer you get to the safety, that's where the spot is. You want to be able to hold that corner down low with somebody running down there and hold that safety in the middle with someone in the seam and then squeeze it right into that sideline spot.

It's not a little sugar slot. Where's the sugar slot at? I mean, I think that's for a late night show. Can you tell me who in the league comes the closest to having what Stafford and Puka Nakua have? Ooh, man, Stafford, it wasn't on display fully last night, but I'm sure that you guys have seen the highlights. I think I laughed a few years ago when he won the Super Bowl, and Dan Orlovsky was saying that he's a future Hall of Famer because he won that Super Bowl. All right, let's not get carried away. But if he could put another Super Bowl on his resume, the highlights that he puts out there, we don't, maybe it's East Coast bias.

We don't talk about him or celebrate him as much, but he is incredible. What? Someone else who has that, like Burroughs injured. I would look at those guys. I was saying Goff and St. Brown came the closest to me in terms of having just the timing. But it's not like what Nakua and Stafford have. And I'm confused by the fact that they've been able to turn Nakua into exactly what Cooper Cup was. Yeah, I'm shocked by the ability for, or the same.

season that Pooka Naku is having so far. And I'm not shocked because I don't think that he's good, but it's been incredibly impressive. And I think it's the combination of a bunch of things. We talk about football in all the many variables that could go wrong or go right to make things work out. I think it's the combination of Pooka's like unique body type and athleticism and the coach and the quarterback and having Devante Adams on one side. Like all those things come together in them. They have probably the most effective rushing attack in football and a play action scheme genius. And you can get it to Puka anywhere.

Like he's not quite Tyreek Hill, but in that way, it's like, I can screen it to you, I can deep pass to you, I can deep in, I can deep out. You can run lead block on an ISO, which then sets up other play actions and matchups against linebackers and safeties that are certainly overmatched. So I think it's all those things combined. It's kind of made this perfect storm for Puka to be right now the best receiver in football. Dominique, can you clarify or clear up, I guess, a debate we were having earlier this week on the show. Now, my football career was tragically cut short, so I don't have as much of the respect as someone like you did who played in the NFL.

And Greg has been covering, you know, the NFL for years and years since before, you know, mergers and all that. So, like, he's a historian of the game, but people also somewhat think that he's a kook. And I think you're the perfect person to kind of settle this debate as a former Maryland Terrapin here. Greg was saying that the helmets used to be made of turtle slash tortoise shell. Dan is disputing that claim. As a former terrapin, can you confirm or deny that there were turtle cell helmets at some point in time? I've never heard that there were turtle shell helmets until I was listening to Greg Cody say that. But, I mean, I wasn't watching football before the merger, like Greg Cody, and I wasn't covering it.

So maybe, I don't know. The Internet also, I think, has no recollection of that. Yeah, but there's AI now. You go to Google AI and it'll tell you anything you want to know, basically. It's honestly, like, the searching has basically become, how can we make you happy? It's very, like, people pleasing. It's like, what result do we think you want to hear? That's what we're going to give you.

Well, yeah, that's not what you want out of the source that we go through for all our facts. but I think you're going to like tip Dan into playing we're all going to die and then we have to talk about the fall of all our great institutions which is not fun let's just talk about punching players like actually we're going to ask you about that in a second put it on the poll please do you know what a terrapin is yes or no and just and just show Dominique the video that we have exclusive video of Tyreek Hill on the way to the hospital falling out of the ambulance here somebody was following the car or the ambulance, and you can see

there that he criminally underreported that story. You would think this is B all over ESPN. I don't understand why this isn't a bigger story. Well, probably because he landed softly, yes, that's probably why it's not a bigger. That's unfortunate.

It is. Thoughts and prayers. It is unfortunate. You need your medical team. I think they would trust him more than that, but I guess Tyreek Hill becomes less valuable when all of a sudden he can't run routes for you so people will become careless that way.

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Football. Football. This is the Dan Levitars show with the Stugats. finds out coverage of the Clippers scandal. And Ramona Shelburne was on a radio show in Los Angeles, and this back and forth took place. Tell me what your thoughts are here. Ramona Shelburne, of course, the ESPN reporter,

an exceptional journalist. She's the one who did the interview with Steve Ballmer. She's the one who asked some of the toughest questions at Clippers Media Day. Listen to this. And I asked questions. Then I could have kept going, but somebody kind of reached out and grabbed the mic from me. Somebody from Clipper PR.

Yeah, it was like, okay, you're done now. And then it went to a team reporter, a team TV reporter who asked about being healthy during the offseason. And then the next one was like the team radio person. And they asked another question that was more basketball related. Right. Then it got back to, I think, Law Murray from the athletic who asked an aspiration question. But it was something about how do you not make it a distraction or something. And he gave a whatever kind of answer to that.

So it was done. It was fluff. And then it was done. And I will say this. It's important to note. Because people are like, why are you the only ones asking, why were you the only one asking those questions? There were five or six other reporters in the room, Chris Mannix from Sports Illustrated, Beth Harris from the AP, all that we're going to go down the same line of questioning that you did.

We had all talked before the press conference and I said, okay, so we're all going to ask aspiration questions, right? Because this is his first public statement. Right. Like whoever gets this, like let's tag team, you know, like whatever. Sure. Listen to whatever everybody else asks and let's make sure we ask. ask, we've got to cover all the bases here because this is probably the one and only time he'll address it. And they all had their hands raised and they weren't being called on.

Chris Manick said that was true. He tweeted that and Pablo Tori says, quote, five to six other reporters wanted to ask follow-up questions in the one setting where he might ever have to talk about this and seems like the real question is why they didn't get that chance. Yeah, I mean, journalism, at least in this particular case, seems to be some. somewhat alive and the camaraderie of the journalists. The journalists seemed like they had a game plan in the way that the Clippers did not. What I was surprised by, and I'm sure it's pretty obvious to most people, is how poorly they answered the questions that were asked of them. If you're not going to answer any questions, then don't answer the questions.

But if you are going to answer the questions, I think to relate it back to football in some ways, is they're going to challenge you based on what you did poorly the week before. If you couldn't stop outside zone last week, you know what you're going to give. on the first, first down, outside zone. So I'm shocked that the Clippers showed up and did not have a stop for the outside zone. And then their move for it was like, we're just going to ignore these people. It kind of, to me, makes it worse. I don't know how they could handle this any more poorly than they have,

but seems like they probably are going to find a way to continue doing it. But, I mean, I'm glad that Ramona and other reporters stepped up and got together and asked the questions. I also think that I'm on Nick Wright's. Like, generally, I care about it because it's interesting, but I don't really care. Like, getting players extra money, knock yourself out. Let's play the sound first of Kauai Leonard's back and forth, and then we'll do Lawrence Frank as well and get both Dominique's general reaction to both sounds and to ask him who should have been better answering these questions between the two Clipper figures.

Kauai first, please. What is your understanding of the endorsement deal that you had at the company that was, this has been talked to Aspiration, and did you perform any services? for them? When you say understanding, what do you mean? Like the of the contract you signed and how much money you were to receive, what you were supposed to perform for those services? I understand that full contract and the services that I had to do. Like I said, I don't deal with the conspiracies or the clickbait analysts or journalism that's going on. So that's what it is. I think the allegation was that you didn't perform any services for

Is that accurate or I don't think it's accurate, but it's old. This is all new to you guys. The company went bankrupt a while ago, so we already knew this was going to happen. You were named as like the largest creditor in the bankruptcy filing, right? Did you actually get the money that was owed to you in the contract? No, but the company went belly up. It was fraud, as everybody know, if you want any more questions, are more details about that company, you need to ask the owner or whoever else is involved

in the fraud that went on. Right. I think they said they owed you $7 million or something, right? I'm not sure. I've got to look back at the books, but no, it's more than that for sure. Do you have any idea of how much you actually made on that? No, it was like two, three, four years ago. His game plan was to say this is old news or fake news, and this is. is Lawrence Frank. He's the president of the Clippers. He was just as bad. Which was, has Dennis Robertson, Kauai's uncle ever asked for any extra benefits that

wouldn't be allowable under the NBA Settler cap directly to you? There's no lot coming out about his asks. Yeah, look, Dennis knows the rules, Kauai knows the rules, Mitch Franklin knows the rules and we know the rules. Is that a guess or another? Yes, we all know the rules. your thoughts there, Dominique? Well, to your question, I think I would expect Lawrence Frank to be more prepared for that. And his answer was even worse than Kauai's, which I felt like wasn't very good either. Like Kauai, I don't handle those things. I hire people to take care of that for me. If you want to talk about a pin down, ISO, how I get to my spot on the ISO, or on the elbow, then that's fine. How great I am at defense. My knee health. If you want to talk about

those things. Those are things that I'm intimately involved in. These other things are not. You should talk to someone else, the general manager or someone about that. So would you like to talk about the prospects for this season for me and the team? And for Lawrence Frank, the idea that he thinks

that the right answer is to say that I know the rules and then not respond directly to the question. It just makes it worse. Like his answer is all this stuff is under investigation right now. I wish that I could give you more information. I'm learning of some of these things right along with you.

Would you like to talk about this season coming forward? And answer every question about aspiration just like that. I don't get how that's so hard. Yeah, it's not actually. I'm going to get to Cam Schlittler in a second, a very unfortunate name for that guy, for a number of reasons, by the way. It's Schlittler.

You know, that's complicated because of the shit, because of the Hitler, and right in the middle of it, an L, which a pitcher never wants anywhere near his name. But yesterday, Schlittler ends up with double-digit strikeouts. He's never done that at any level of baseball. It's single A or double A, triple A. It's never happened before.

He's in his 85th day. He's a rookie. And Jeremy has top five unfortunate names anywhere in baseball or just all of sports. Just in sports generally. Schlittler was so good yesterday, but it's almost impossible to be that good with that name. So O-L-I, Danny Woodhead. The tabloids did the headline today, holy schlitt. That's really good.

But wood and head together, not great. Dylan, number five, Dylan Bundy. I don't know of a lot of Bundy's other than Ted. That's the main one that comes to mind. I mean, ow. Number four, Randy the Big Unit Johnson, which Ian Carmel has pointed out, means horny, the big penis, penis. Number three,

why are these bad names? Ha, ha, Clinton Dix. I mean, Clinton Dix is just a... Any laughter around that. Yeah, it's just, you know, it's unfortunate. James, don't call me Jim Jones. And number one, Cam Schlittler.

What are your thoughts on that list, Dominique? I mean, there are a couple names in there that were bad, but I feel like the majority of those names pretty awesome like hi hi clinton dicks great awesome name also slightly unfortunate i'm not saying they're bad names i'm saying they're unfortunate names well i feel like you put them in you put them in community with slittler like we just dan just laid out all the reasons why slittler is a problem but i mean i'm not going to lie i have no idea why's james johnson in there james jones jim jones yeah but you turned drinking the kool-lade chris burman at the end there you're like

James, don't call me Jim Jones. I felt like I was watching. James Jones is Jim Jones. What do you want for me? It turned into a sports center anchor. Who I am at my core, guys. What I was meant to do, and instead I'm here. Whoa.

Major penalty, five minutes, spruiting comedy. James, don't call me Jim Jones. You know, you try. You just put in an effort. Sometimes don't try. And then you get accused of Botox. I know that this, like, shouldn't have surprised me. and it was news that we expected, right?

Because we saw the news that ESPN wasn't going to be doing baseball anymore after this season they were losing the baseball rates, right? But when it came out a couple days ago that the home run derby is going to be on Netflix next season, I felt so weird seeing that. Because, like, Berman hasn't done the home run derby in years, but that's just one of those things that's going to feel weird. That's the line for you on streaming.

We've reached your line. Yeah, Home Run Derby on Netflix was kind of like, I don't know about this guy. I feel like that's the type of thing. No, I mean, that's the type of thing that should be on Netflix. I agree with you that it feels weird. But, like, that's the type of event that you should put on Netflix that you can make it weirder and less connected to, like, real sports and more fun.

I think that, the dunk contest, all those things, put them on Netflix, make them fun and crazy because I don't know, I feel like those are not the things that I'm trying to watch normally, right? I guess. I'm just trying to figure out, like, how is Netflix? Netflix's going to force, like, Harry from Too Hot to Handle onto the Home Run Derby coverage, and am I going to be bothered by it? But we're already here with, like, football games. Like, the football game being on Netflix didn't do it for you? Like, this is what, like, this is just...

Honestly, can I tell you something? And, Dominique, you may, like, disagree with this. I don't really care what channel football games are on. Like, I'll find the game, and I'll watch it, and I don't know the difference a lot of the time. And especially, like, Netflix, where they just go and get people. from every other network anyways. It's hard for me to know once I'm like two quarters into the game, like to remember where I'm watching it and really care about that much.

I had a hard time because of I changed cable systems. I had a hard time the other day finding the NFL network for that Sunday morning 930 game. Like I was, I did not enjoy the process of trying to locate it just because, you know, I changed cable systems. And not all the cable systems have NFL network. So what's your new? So I eventually, like I gave up and switched over, well, I don't make commercials for anybody, but like there's some that are more efficient than others.

Like I don't really have those problems anymore. There was a stretch there where I couldn't find anything that I was confused, like an old man. And then I got some YouTube TV and I can figure it out. It's like the apps are pretty obvious. Yeah, like my cable doesn't have numbers for channels. Like it's not like channel 400 and this. It's just this is the network that I want. I just like find it alphabetically.

I'm going to keep this conversation going with Michelle Beatle in a second. But during the game yesterday, McMahon, the Yankee third basement, flipped over the dugout, catching a foul ball, flipped into the Red Sox dugout, like just really hands on the floor, legs over his head. And only one Red Sox helped him. All of the other Red Sox scattered because you don't help the opponent. What is your thought there as a decent and kind human being, but also a competitor, on what you should be doing if you're the opponent there? Well, he's going over the top to get an out, right? Yes.

I mean, man, better figure it out. Learn, figure it out for yourself. Isn't it playoffs? Playoffs? Yeah, you got, I can't help you. Sorry. I always think about this when in football, when guys are like running uncontrollably towards the sideline.

Like on their own sideline, someone will jump in to trying to stop them. Is there like unwritten rules with that? Like if it's another, if it's an opposing player, do you let him just run into the bench? If it's your guy, you try to stop them. How does that go? It's, you're protecting yourself most of the time. honestly like if you grab them it's better for you than it is for them there are really no rules about that you come into games normally it's like yeah everybody wants to be healthy if you do something

in the course of that game or something before that game and we know about it then there's some different rules about how you treat a particular player not normally a whole team but there are really no rules about that we all want to be healthy and safe the thing about football though is it's not like these other sports where you actually do get to hit each other so we're not looking for opportunities to take out some anger or mistreat someone. You're just like, all right, cool. There's a whole other play where I can come and punch you in the ribs. Why are these

sidelines so slippery? It seems like anytime they're trying to stop on the sideline, it's like slick. I feel like that's just a dangerous thing. I think that might be an old thing. I don't think we have that anymore. Okay. I put these tarps down now. No, before the game, they have to hose them down so that it's slippery. See you later,

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