The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: The Kawhi Laugh-Off

Episode Date: October 31, 2025

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After 30 gigabytes, customers may experience slower speeds. Customers will pay $25 a month as long as they remain active on the Boost Mobile Unlimited Plan. Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by Draft Kings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging.

I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar. This episode of the Dan Levitart show is presented by Draft Kings. Draft Kings, the crown is yours. A couple of leftover stats from last night. Can you get me the stat of the day music?

here real quick. I've just got a couple of dolphin stats from last night's game as the dolphins fall to two and seven and this entire season halfway through can be swept out to see as can all of the leaders and management and whatever remains of what you consider their top players. Two or seven. Put it on the poll. Should it say in the standings, two a seven. of the day, start of the day, this year, start of the day. Start of the day, start of the day, this year, start of the day.

Start of the day, start of the day, this year, start of the day. Start of the day, start of the day, in this year, start of the day. So both Washington's who play for the dolphins fumbled last night. It's not just that their quarterback leads the league in interceptions. The Ravens had caused all of four turnovers this season.

They got three of them last night, but that is not the stat of the day. You guys know they rely on A-chan way too much. You know they're going to break the entirety of what's left of his body. You know that you are frustrated by the number of bubble screens and quick passes at the line of scrimmage. Do you guys want to guess? Give me the total, Juju, if you do not mind. Total scrimmage yards for A-chan last night, because I mentioned. that the dolphins and time of possession and yardage were right there with the Ravens

all game and shouldn't have been down 14 to 6 in the first half, but five times they were inside of the 30, and they ended up with six points for the game. 108 yards from scrimmage, Denno. Do you want to guess how many of those? Anybody want to guess how many A. Chan had in the second half while Derek Henry was grinding the dolphins to dust after eight-carriage. for 30 yards. Derek Henry ends up with 100

whatever yards he ends up with. You want to guess how many from scrimmage yards A. Chan had in the second half last night. Say 32. One. He had 10 targets. Had 10 targets in the game. One yard in the second half once the Ravens figured out.

Okay, that's all they've got. They've only got that. They've got the sideways pass. That's it? Man, that sucks, huh? That's pretty terrible. That's not great. It's not a great situation. Chris Cody, can you tell me through that talking horses mask that is one of the laziest costumes I have ever seen?

I love it. It's the best. Lazyest costume I've seen since I was in college and I just wore a Miller-Light case on my head because I didn't have anything else. So I was a case of beer for Halloween. I don't want to throw stones here, Dan, but when your wife leaves town, your costumes take a big dip, if we're going to be honest here. Also, Dan, you'd be a keg. Not a case. That was on call for, man. Also, Chris, does Chris look like a Chicago bull right now?

He does. He does. You know what he looks like? The scarecrow. The scarecrow and Batman. For Batman begins. I agree. If he were Chicago Bowl.

Put it on the poll as well at Lebitard show. Are you tired of your local show doing Halloween costumes on Halloween and then talking about their Halloween costumes all of Halloween? But can you get me the Hampton Furrowe? Farms, Nuttiest fan winner. All right. Yes, you. Hit it.

All right, guys. Congrats to this old guy who took his shirt off. He's this week's winner of the Nuddiest fan. Get Nuddy with Hampton Farms, the official peanut of bowl season. Keep an eye out for Lucy Rodin at Ohio State if you think you are your fans. Nuddiest fan. Chris, I'll screw it up again. Yeah, I will tell you, you screwed it up in more ways than you know in that you were

the joke of your mouth moving was covered by the reed that you were doing, so we didn't even get the joke of the horse's mouth. It's like an offensive coordinator trying to call plays with their covering his mouth. They're like, wait a second, I need to see what he's saying. He is, right. It is not good

when the only joke you have in your costume is your mouth moving, and what he triggers for you is a coach trying to disguise anyone seeing his mouth. He's like, Carl Shenahan. Why were you guys so excited talking about a $20,000 robot. I don't know this story

that you guys were talking about, nor do I know why you were so excited talking about this story. You don't know about this? This is truly, we're finally in the future, Dan. Remember the movie I Robot, how they had domesticated robot servants helping people?

Well, now some company has made one, and it only costs about $20,000 or $500 a month. But, Dan, less you know, Okay. This is the future, but it's not here that fast. Like, we still got some time before the robots take over the planet because of the fact that this robot, 20 grand, it doesn't really do things that you need it to do. Like, it's kind of like half-ass robot, right? Like, you're there and it's like, oh, well, can you do this? And I'm like, nah, not really. I can't really do that? I'm not, I'm not particularly eager to get to the future when we all realize. Do you realize how flippant we were laughing about robots and AI when we were? We were all fooling around with it and Robin Williams' family and Martin Luther King's family and Stephen Hawking's family is saying, not funny when you put Stephen Hawking's on a skateboard and they're offended by how real some of that stuff looks. Robin Williams' daughter was really upset about how her father's image is used. Look, those are, I agree with the families 100%.

I am 100% behind all the families who think that this is abhorrent. But have you seen some of them? Yeah, it's funny. No, but I'm just wondering, see, I'm wondering if this clip in the future, in which we defend, the robots have taken over, and they didn't like how we made fun of them or how we underestimated them. They do dishes? That's what I'm saying, Chris. Let's do dishes. Let's see.

Well, he's trying to, okay. Can you grab it there, buddy? Hold up. We've all been there. We've all been here. He's trying to close a dishwasher right now. He's got the bend down good. Good, though.

Make the stallion knees. Yeah, here we go. Pull it up. Pull it up. There are some things you can bend. Wait a second. There are some things you can bend your back. You know, it's like keep your back straight when you lift something up.

Like you can, there are some things that you can have a little tilt in your back for. So you guys are laughing because clearly the robots. He's been taught how to lift and it's just not helping them here. The robot's not as fast as we are yet at closing a dishwasher, but better at squats. Yeah. Strong squat. Yeah. Good form on the squad.

You had to keep your back. You had to sit on the heel. Push up. So you guys aren't afraid yet. Not yet, Dan. Dan, I want these robots to do my laundry. That's why I sit around in a bathrobe all day with tie pods in the background. I would whoop that robot.

I would destroy that robot if we had to fight. That was Kauai's laugh. Sorry, Das. Yo, yo, yeah, yeah. Oh, the horse does a better Kauai laugh. Why? He can call him to the horse. And the horse does a little horse.

He has horns. The horse has a better Kauai laugh than Juju. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The mouth movie. And if you don't remember, that was just Kauai laughing at not knowing where someone was seated. An outburst of laughter saying, I can't even see where you're seated as Roy scampers, because you can't do your own job today. Hey, let me help him. Because you decided, Roy tries to scamper to see if he can find the Kauai Leonard laugh to support you so that we can make the music.

You laugh. He laughs. He laughs. You laugh. He laughs. He laughs. He just spelled laugh for us. He's losing steam guys. I want to punish him. I want him to do it the rest of the show and have it haunts him all weekend. The job requires judgment. He spent Four Mies Jimmy Johnson was caught rapping in a tailgate

Wrapping what He was rapping a Rich Tommy Kwan Really? Shout out to the boy You haven't seen this, Tony? How old is Jimmy Johnson? He's 80 now? Is he over 80 years old?

obviously a Miami Hurricanes icon. I don't know. Would we put him on the University of Miami Mount Rushmore if I told you all personalities all time, right? Obviously he'd be the only executive or coach who might get a consideration. But if I tell you, Mount Rushmore, University of Miami, all time. Michael Irvin's going to be up there. Ray Lewis is going to be up there. Mike Ryan. You're going to get Warren Sapp is going to get into the. discussion, but I guess I got to put Jimmy Johnson on the top four, right? I have to say Jimmy Johnson has someone, because it's enduring, right? It's not comes and goes. It's he's still always his feeling. Him around the program is a spirit, is a soul, is something that echoes for eternity. Plus the big chill down in the Keys, Dan, when you have that fishing tournament, when all the UM guys of old and all the UM guys of new, all the sudden link up together with the big chill in Key Largo and all the boys go out and fish all day and then come back and have some cold Miller lights.

Dano, that right there is family. That right there is the University of Miami. Before we play it, Juju, can you give us an appraisal? Because I haven't seen it. I've only heard about it. Obviously, an 80-year-old man rapping, I'm going to go ahead and guess that, oh, he's 82 years old. 82 years old.

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That's not true, Dan. Okay, Tony, you can catch up. A thousand impersonations. That's not bad, man. Finally. Not terrible. Pretty good. Stugats.

Yours is terrible. You just got to get a little redder. A little pinker. You're right there, man. Yours is not. You're biting me. What do you mean? Oh, this is good, Dave.

That's actually not bad. This is good. That's not terrible. We've got to come together. A little southern twilight. A little George Bush in that one. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. Put it on the poll at Levitar show.

Has there ever been an 82-year-old? who raps well because I've got to think even though hip hop hip hop is only hip hop hip hop is only 50 years old I'm guessing that you guys are going to say that it Kendrick and

and Jay Z they will at 80 be able to still rap correct like they won't seem ridiculous rapping at 82 will they that's not going to age poorly is it right because hip hop itself just turned 50 a couple years ago so that's what we got to remember We've never seen these 60-70-year-old rappers,

so we shouldn't laugh at them. They're pioneers. But what would be your appraisal of how Jimmy Johnson did? Oh, yeah. I think Jimmy Johnson gives off, look, man, I did everything I wanted to do in life. Now I'm out here at this tailgate, man. Put on that quine, man.

I got something for y'all, boy, man. Come on, let's go. Play it. Let's watch it. I wish I can rap, but I can't rap, but I do love to you. Y'all see Coatts? Do it, do it, do it! Do it, do it!

I got it, I got it! I always had it! Ah! Ha! Ha! Make you get that right for work! You know you feel some type for a word. Go, go to you!

You! I know you feel some type of way. My daddy said that I'll be much ain't off to you. enthusiasm is 90% of the effort. Enthusiasm is 90% of the effort. He tried to sell it. He's 82 years old. He came off as younger than 82.

Dan, he's doing ad libs, right? A lot of, he's not rapping the words. He's giving the hype to the crowd. Let's go, let's go. He had the timing of, like, when to go. He did a lot of, a little bit of call and response there. I told Tony this last night. I was happy to see this last night.

I tried to pass the microphone around at Flanagan's, and Tony noticed fairly early as I gave the microphone erroneously to Dave Damashak that Tony needed. to help the crowd and help me as somebody who cares about me. And Tony went in and grabbed and did some crowd hype work as he was, as I was, profoundly disappointed by Cody's effort and Damashak's effort and a general indifference about thanking our customers for loving us the way they do. Well, Dan, the issue was, right?

It's like when you grab a rebound, right? You're off on the break. You got to know where your spots are, right? You can't give the ball to the center crashing through if he's not a guy that can handle the ball. So you're getting the ball. You're getting off the rebound. You're like, all right, I'm going, right? You're Magic Johnson.

All of a sudden, you pass over to Kareem, who's in the middle of the court, like, Dave Damashek, hey, I'm in this. DJ Laz is playing Gulo in the back of my pit bull. Here's Dave Damashick, and he's like, hey, guys, Pittsburgh. All right, everybody's like, who the fuck is this guy? He goes, what TV's the Penguins game on? Who the hell is this guy? A bad decision by me.

That's the time that Damashek decides to shut up. our thanks to Jimmy Flanagan and the rest of the Flanagan's crew. I told him and I will I will tell others there are not a whole lot of things in Miami, a transient town, that I can say, hey, you are an iconic thing in this market. You have been somebody who is around celebrations and good things in Miami for a long time. And so we are honored to partner with a group of people who don't do a whole lot of partnership because they don't lend that icon stuff casually or flippantly. So when they throw a party, they surprise us with DJ Las and they go get, they know what

in this town has some resonance. There aren't a lot of things. It's a transient town. So our thanks to Flanagan's for supporting us the way they do. Shout out to Flanagan's and also shout out to the city of Kendall. I had no idea. What a wonderful part of town. All the years I've been coming to Miami, I had no idea of the immigrants,

amounts of talent in the city of Kendall. Now you get it. Unincorporated by the way no city. We have no mayor. We have no rules. As you could tell. And I had an incredible speech prepared last night. Oh man, that was rough. I had the wonderful speech prepared. I had written it. It took me all week to write.

They gave me the microphone and as soon as I was like, the music came up. DJ last through on Kulo! Hard networked out. Hard networked out, you boy. it was perfect timing

it was like and another thing I immediately grabbed the microphone back and accused DJ Laz of racism yes you did yes you did in which he played it louder the thing that is I don't know where I'd rank it in terms of most moving when we get to interact with the people who have as I told many of you last night just a super intimate relationship with their entertainment

option. Like you can listen to anything. You can have a relationship with anything, but the fact that we're in your car with you, we're on your workouts with you, we're in some spaces where you might otherwise be alone creates a relationship that is, I believe, super unusual. When you're spending two and three hours a day with us, many of you board at work are not loving your jobs very much and we allow you a couple of hours to get away from your job when you're with us very high on the list of things that I find moving about what happened last night is people flying in to be with us in Kendall or taking these enormously long drives to be with us in Kendall and then furthermore get introduced to you.

to oh i'm from kansas this shit's crazy the diversity you guys have here not in kansas is crazy and why are none of the people wearing very much clothes like i remember tony cornheiser said this to me one time when he came back from miami he hates to fly and he was just in a hotel lobby he was in a hotel lobby and he's like is no one in your town dressed like why isn't anyone wearing clothes? And I'm like, Tony, you're 50. How are you already 80? And it's, well, but it is because if you're from Kansas, that diversity is just not something that you're, it's, you're just not around that. So thank you, thank you again to Flanagan's and for everyone who came out. And the effort that the, all the staff made dressing up.

Shut up to Daniel. Everybody except for me. Yeah, Roy, four religious grounds. And again, I don't want to violate any of Roy's freedoms but he's a sucker I'm a sucker oh did you just call him the S word? Oh my God no one's calling you on an S-U it's a

Halloween I can call you a Halloween sucker I'm offended Dan well I know is it on religious grounds or that I didn't go hard art yes I mean you are here and in defending perk I find

you to be largely alone because Kendrick Perkin exists to say inflammatory things. It's sort of his whole role. He does not mind torching whatever basketball relationships he had in the past while being in public, a person who is really critical as a former player of other players, while having a championship resume, but also a resume that statistically a lot of the players he criticizes can say, well, who the hell were you to be telling me all this when you were a screen setter and a defensive player, but you are somebody who's a perk advocate because you love the wrestling elements of sports entertainment and many broadcasters, most broadcasters, and certainly most former players, are totally unwilling to do what Kendrick Perkins does.

Yeah, let me do a regular voice because this is a serious defense I'm going to do of Perk. I think, first of all, Perk, like Shaq, is someone who plays a character on TV, and that character is easy to call dumb or slow-witted or whatever, and especially with a country accent the way Perk talks, it's even easier to do that than it is for Shaq. But he's really smart. He watches a lot of film.

He's very well connected across different levels of basketball, youth basketball, college basketball. He's got great intel reports. What he was saying about Jop, obviously, He wasn't saying, I made you a star. He wasn't saying, oh, I taught you how to play basketball, which is where everyone took the comment. Let me just tell people, as part of context,

let me just explain to them what happened with John Morant so that they understand what it is that you're defending. Because John Morant was also, he also misinterpreted, if you're saying it's misinterpreted. It seemed like Kendrick Perkins was saying to Tony Allen and Zach Randolph, the In the Mud podcast that I thought was made up. It is not made up

Out the mud That's a bad mistake It's a bad mistake It's not in the mud It's out the mud That's the opposite That's the worst I couldn't have done it a lot worse

Than that The opposite of Elmo Yes It is the opposite of Elmo To go in the mud Instead of out the mud I feel really Dumb

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah He said basically, or it sounded like he said, that the reason that ESPN covered John Morant

and the reason for John Morant's fame and stature and stardom is Perk saying, I brought ESPN to Memphis, got spent millions of dollars, he said, to get ESPN to support what John Morant is in Memphis and helped with creating his stardom. Right. What Perk is saying, and this also goes back to something that I always notice is that there's always an assumption that ESPN as a company knows best, and they always do the right thing. So here the assumption is Perk, John's exciting and they're winning.

Of course ESPN was going to go there. No, they weren't. No, they weren't because the people who make these decisions, and again, to do the whole show from somewhere, it's not like, oh, logically, yes, this guy's a great player. we got to help promote for the game that we broadcast. They're like, really? Memphis is John Miranda? They don't know. They really don't know.

So it does take people being forceful in the same way that First Take is doing shows from HBCUs. That's because people are saying we have to do this. Not because someone at ESPN is like, you know what we should do this week? We should go do an HBCU. So what Perk is saying is, yes, you're a great player and you're exciting and that you have millions of fans. but the idea that ESPN would do a show is because I was campaigning behind the scenes for that to happen.

And lest anybody think that I'm off when I say this, remember this, last year, Oklahoma City Thunder were amazing from the year before. They weren't on Christmas Day. And everyone was like, how could the Thunder not be on Christmas Day? I said, because the broadcasters are the ones saying, really? Oklahoma, I don't know. Now they're on all the time

because we know they're great. They win the championship. but it really takes sometimes individuals behind the scenes who are emphasizing and saying, no, you have to do this. Now, the part where Perk loses me is he does the whole like, oh, you made me look bad. Man, it ain't John Moran's job to help you look good, Perk, right? Like, that's neither here nor there. That's just the way things work. Your decision to pump up and hype up John Morant as a TV product is career-driven.

It's not because he's your boy and you're doing him a face. And so the way Perk was kind of making his argument felt like a very personal level And so I'm still cool with a dad, but I'm not cool with job like no you did what you did because it was the right thing For your career and for the job itself to do the job not necessarily Because oh I'm doing my boy a favor I mean can you explain the millions of dollars situations like like how does that what does he mean by that I spent millions of dollars to get yes I did that ESP he's saying it costs a lot to get a whole production crew it doesn't cost It costs millions. Maybe it does it. Millions to get a crew of ESPN people out to Memphis to do stuff from Memphis. It costs plenty. It costs a lot of money. It's not like merely, hey, a camera and a stick mic and we're good. There's a lot of moving parts there. Well, and Kendrick getting that to happen, like, that's why we constantly talk about why it's important to have a diversity of thought and a diversity of people in these production rooms, right?

Because you need people who are coming up with these ideas of, hey, this is a place that nobody else is talking about, that there can be something interesting happening. It's why having Tony in a production room would get people down to Kendall, which is something that's really exciting and cool because nobody from Connecticut is thinking about that. And that's why having Kendrick Perkins around and going, hey, this thing that's happening in Memphis, it's exciting and there's energy around it. So let's get our people out there to do something like this. It's why it's so important to have so many different voices in the room. All your favorite NBA players are back. In Draft King Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA is D. D.D.P.C. to bet on NBA stars this season.

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Don Lebertard. Chris Cody does an impression. Just be careful. Dangerous game. This is a dangerous game. I don't want to play this game. No, he was saying, man, I could do such a great Kendrick. No, I don't want to play this game.

He's like, man, I can talk to us like him. This is who we're going to trust with this. Let's let Amin do it, I think. Stugats. I think you could do it, Chris. Because you did a great Charles Barkley. You're one for one there. Did no one just hear the segment we just did with Amin?

We cannot be taking counsel from the local drunk on whether or not you should do the impersonation of a black man stumbling over his words. Like you don't see the bad judgment in that. There was. Moza Moody? Moody Moody Moses. Don't. Don't do you need that.

It sounds worse. Be careful, man. We got to, like, we cannot do this. It's too close to the line. This is where the line is. Something legitimately funny can't be funny because we're scared. Our ginger's going to do something racist by accident. Carry the hell on, Dan.

Rachel. Dan, the line is where we feel alive, though. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stucats. Well, when you talk about diversity, See, I want to ask you this, I mean, because I know that Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes sort of object to how Shannon Sharp did his job on first take or on undisputed where you're trafficking in the black on black crime of, I'm going to be loudly critical of other black people. Stephen A. Smith gets a lot of this objection, a lot of very strong objection to the idea of you. need to do better when talking about other black people and being critical of other black people because you two are a black voice and leader that needs to be judicious about how it is that

you take your criticism and turn it into profit. Kendrick Perkins is doing something that is objected to by other basketball people who say you're using your platform gained from being a guy who set screens and average four points a game but was a champion to be more critical of athletes than almost all other broadcasters in your position and the um i'm not saying critical critical of their play or critical of other issues well but because well john morant johns not a play thing that wasn't about correct it was about behavior but there i want you to walk me through As someone who has to be, you have to walk this line. You have to make choices every time you're being critical of do I want to be somebody

who is a critic of my own culture and how careful do I have to be when everyone else is already piling on John Morant. John Morant is already getting piled on for behavior and so I want your assessment of this. So the background, he's doing the Out the Mud podcast. That is a Memphis Grizzlies type podcast. Those guys were Memphis Grizzlies icons, T.A. and Zibo. So it's not like he was doing our show. And then he said, you know what I'm going to talk about today?

I'm going to talk about John Moran. So there's a context to why he was talking about it, where he was talking about it. The criticism, again, what he said is that, look, I vouched for you, in essence. I vouched for you with the worldwide leader. That means something. That doesn't mean I helped you play. That doesn't mean I helped you win. You did all that on your own.

That doesn't mean I made you exciting or marketable or someone who should get a shoe deal. You did all that on your own. But there is a difference when that place comes to Memphis. He doesn't play in New York. He doesn't play in L.A. He doesn't play down here in Miami where it's, oh, yeah, let's do a road show there.

It's a city nobody likes to go to. Let's be honest, right? And so that's what Perk is saying that. Again, my thing is when you make it personal like, oh, you let me down. Like, no, man, you're doing your job. you did a great job of doing your job and leave it at that. And I think, so when we talk about criticizing, right, whether it's Stephen A or Shannon

or Perk or whoever, I think when the criticisms are nuanced and fair, I think people can accept that. The thing is about those guys on those shows is often there's no room for nuance and it's a lot of it is theatrical and over the top. And so when you are basically blunting everything out, then people feel like, wait a second, You're just profiting by talking about me in a bad way because that's what gets clicks and views and likes. And I think that's a fair counter argument, but this idea that any of us who do this job, we're not allowed to criticize, but what is the job? We're not cheerleaders.

Your team has a department that does that. Your personal team has people who do that, all the positive stuff. Our job is to explain the people what happened and what went wrong and what went right. And in that course of that, some people are going to be held accountable if it's fair, if we're not making stuff up, if we're not, you know, or we're not going overly personal with the criticisms, then I don't think anyone has a problem with that. Yeah, I think that's what the problem was with this. He made it more personal than it should be. He said, I don't F with John Morant. It wasn't that he said, I don't like his play or I don't like his decisions.

He said, I don't F with that man. And so when you say that, it's hard to come back no matter what you. you say after that it's like oh it's smoke well when you mentioned smoke the thing that i uh love about all the smoke is that those guys in their 40s can do everything they're doing without any of it looking inauthentic or preening because they are consistently themselves and it's why people do like them so much because you know that all of that is authentic not just their relationship but everything they're doing and those two guys specifically say of Shannon Sharp no I'm not doing it the way that you do it where that access that you

have is different than the access that we have and we're going to stay in our lane over here and we don't respect the way that you do it in your lane over there and there's just an undercurrent of everything that I'm talking about here that makes it complicated, right? Because I don't think that anybody would say of Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson that they're cheerleaders, but I also don't say that anyone would say of them that they're inauthentic. I don't think so either, but again, their show is different. They have an interview show. If I'm bringing in, I'm sitting down with Juju. We're going to talk about Juju's career. We're going to ask Juju about fun stories. We're talking about hard times that he went

through. It is an interview-based show. It is not an analysis of what's happening where juju, your team's down 40, and you're kind of over here, like, doing the N1 mix tape stuff and turning it over, just kind of laughing and running back up court. There's a difference there in the nature of the show. And again, this goes back to Dan where I talked about, people not understanding the different role, not having any nuance, people who conflate Stephen A. Smith with Tim Legler, with Mike Breen, with, like, no, these are all different roles in different jobs, much like these shows are different shows. A debate show is about debating. It's really not about being nuanced. It's not about teaching you about the game versus

a studio show is more about teaching and an interview show is more feature driven. Like, hey, let's get to know these people. All important context, but when you do a debate show, you're going to end up in circumstances where as a black person, you're going to be offered a lot of singular judgments, case-by-case judgments, how critical do you want to be here of another black person? Like, are you going to pile on with everyone else when everyone else is already piling on? The daily nature of debate makes those decisions come up daily, and you have to be nuanced when you're making decisions between, do I separate, and can I be discerning enough to separate what my cultural responsibilities are from my job responsibilities.

Like, it's a decision that has to be made on every story that's coming across your desk that involves criticizing a black athlete. Yeah, but, again, I feel like it all depends. Again, if John Morant has a bad game, I'm not supposed to, like, I don't understand, like, because I'm black and he's black, I'm not supposed to say he had a bad game. I'm supposed to just go along with it. Like, I think the cultural stuff involves just keeping it respectful, like keeping it respectful, like keeping it about the basketball. Like, we're not going to go and pile along and say the same thing that every other network is saying.

If you're not going to provide, like you say, some nuance to the situation, the pile long is extra when it comes from a brother. But at the same time, what you do, I can talk about, like you say, if you have a bad game, bro, it was a bad game. If you got caught with guns, I'm sorry, bro. I got to talk about it. The thing is, too, like, is, do people want nuance, right? Like, it just feels like everybody wants clips. Everybody wants, oh, I saw what Stephen A said or what Shannon said or what this person or what Camus said.

Like, I see this in clips of 30 seconds on TikTok. Do people want the nuance behind that? That's the crazy thing. Because, Tony, everyone claims, oh. Remember the Russell Westbrook documentary? And I would say 40% of it was, you talk about the media, and it's just Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayliss, and Colin Cowhart again and again. And I'm like, you complain about the media, but you're really talking about three very particular guys

to do a particular type of show. There's a zillion. I never heard nobody say like, oh, that Zach Lowe. Part of it is because Zach Lowe stuff is nuanced, but also part of it's because y'all don't listen to it. Right? Like if you are one of these athletes, you're like, oh, where's the nuanced analysis?

Oh, it's right here. I ain't listening to that shit. Right? Like, what do you want? Do you want the nuanced, smart stuff? right here. If you don't, if your perception of media is just debate culture, then you're part of the problem. When you talk about podcasts, I recommend strongly the Mina Kimes podcast with Lenny if you want a bombardment of useful information that will help you with your gambling edges

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