The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: The Land of No Expectations (feat. Steve Goldstein)

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

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So, Stu just gave me some information that he was talking to you, Chris Cody, and he was asking you if you could get Derby picks, Kentucky Derby picks from any person and he gave you three option. It was the bear. No, I gave him three options on guest. I gave him options. It was the bear. No, I gave him three options on guest. I gave him Chris Follica the bear to make derby picks because we have no idea what we're doing. I gave him Chris Sims because he loves to give Billy

a hard time and then I gave him a third option of Steve Goldstein, the voice of the Florida Panthers. You know what I picked. And Chris Quote, he quickly fired back at me, Steve Goldstein please. All right, well let's bring on Steve Goldstein. Into my veins, give me this Panther talk into my veins right now.

Of the Florida Panthers, as much as I wanna talk to him about the pickup game that we had several years ago with Joe Rose and Ira Winderman and Eric Reed for Eric Reed, focus shoulder, and I got the nickname fade away from Joe Rose, which I'm so proud of. I don't wanna talk, there's no time for that, Goldy. We gotta talk about how much better the Panthers are than the Lightning.

Why is it the Panthers turn to just be dominant right now? Izzy, forget about the hockey. I want to talk all about that pick up game. Assess my game, so do I. Okay, I got Sandman across the board tomorrow in the Derby. And the funniest thing is I was over in Tampa, Panthers took him out in five. I saw Nikita Kucherov and he asked me,

do you know who Jeremy Tashay is? What? No, I cannot imagine that that's true. Everybody knows Jeremy Tashay. So those are the important things. We can get to the hockey in a second. No, honestly. Hey Goldie, love you too. Yeah, of course, of course.

It's amazing is what's going on with the Panthers. We are really in a golden age and in South Florida, if you look back at the early 70s dolphins, the big three for the heat, that stretch that they had, that's really the only comparable. The hurricanes, late 80s, early 90s with all those championships, this Panther run that started a few years ago

and still the window is wide open for the next few years, including the next few weeks, they're just a machine. They could beat you however you want. You want to open it up and score goals. They can do that. You want to grind it out, one nothing and have a tight game right to the end. They do not change the way they play.

They know their identity and they got a lot of guys that buy in basically everybody buys in and they're even willing to sacrifice their own game to get wins. And then obviously we all know that's what it takes to win in sports. Now the Tampa Bay Lightning led the league in scoring. There were top five in penalty kill and power play. But it's like everybody forgot that once the Panthers got to full health Aside from Aaron Eklund who was suspended That the Panthers fully healthy are actually going to take care of the Lightning in the first round considering what the Panthers were a couple

Years ago when they were just a transition team and now they're a four-track team We've seen that that style of play that the Lightning have actually does not work in the playoffs. So explain to me why all the media decided to go with the Lightning to win this series. Well, Roy, you know, you're at Amerenbank Arena all the time. So you watched the Panthers play the last couple of months. Now you knew Matthew Kachuk was out. Marshann was out for those three weeks in March. Then he just started coming back, getting his game going.

Eklad was out of the lineup. You know, you don't take all those guys out of the lineup and have you be exactly the same. Then Bennett missed a few games. Hulikov missed a few games. So the Panthers were kind of maybe not intentionally, but they were playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers.

And that wasn't the team we knew we were going to see not intentionally, but they were playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers. And that wasn't the team we knew we were going to see when the lights went on in the Stanley Cup playoffs. They get to game one against Tampa Bay. Matthew Kachuck had never played a game with Seth Jones and Brad Moshe, like, like ever. So it was just a different team. And yet Paul Maurice kind of spreading out that ice time because you can't do what they've done. 209 games the last couple of years, best four-checking team in the league, intense physical hockey. You physically cannot do that for 82 games

and have enough left in the tank for a couple of months. And I just think, as you mentioned the media, a lot of people just bought into it and said, well, the Panthers aren't quite that good, but they didn't look underlying about the reasons the last six weeks they weren't quite playing at their optimist optimal level. And you know, obviously everybody's swinging a miss on picking Tampa Bay and it's amazing. The series wasn't even close looking at you, Bob was shoes and lightning. Goldie, can you make the argument that this Panther team is better than last year's Panther team that won the Stanley Cup? You know, I've been wrestling with that, Stu. You know, yeah, you can.

It's amazing because you win a championship. How can you be better until you actually win the championship again? Yeah. But when you look at Brad Marsh and on a third line, this guy's future hall of famer, those two young Finns, they're all of a sudden scoring goals like Sam Reinhardt is because of Brad Marsh and, and then you look at the defense where you took Eklat out of the lineup and you really never missed a beat. Um,

you really can make the case that overall they're a better team. Plus you have another year of experience. So they get to a game seven, which by the way, through the Eastern Conference playoffs the last two years, they never do. They beat everybody in five or six. But if it does come down to it, let's say against Toronto and there's a game seven coming up in two weeks, they know what it takes to win a game seven, because they've already been there and done that.

So on a lot of levels, yes, you can make that case that they're better than they were a year ago. All right, let's look forward here. Toronto Maple Leafs, Panthers, what scares you? I'm gonna make this pretty general. What scares you about this Toronto team? Cody, what scares me about Toronto is eating the shawarma in the street off one of those carts, you know, by Union Station.

I I'm not sure I'm going to go there. As far as the hockey look, they've gotten a more tighter defensive system with Craig Barube. It's very ironic. Anthony Stolar's, who is the Panthers backup backup last year will be the goaltender against Bobrovsky but overall to me seven game series all things being equal I don't think Toronto can grind it out four times to beat the Panthers so of course Matthews Marner, Nylander the terrific offense that they had but the Panthers have proven time and time again the last two years they can shut down the offense. As Roy said, you know, Tampa Bay tries this run and gun.

It doesn't work in the playoffs and it doesn't work against the Florida Panthers defense. So you never want to get too cocky, but not a huge, scary team to me. But they have adjusted a little bit. You saw the game last night, you know, they're trying to play more like the Panthers where, hey, two to one in the third period were comfortable. But the area I look at, the Panthers are the best floor checking team in the NHL.

And even against the Ottawa Cenders, Toronto is in the bottom third of playoff teams defensively at giving up four check chances. So I think the Panthers can outlast them and I think it's great. They're starting on the road because they go in there and they get one of the first two games. I think they're in good shape. Goldie Jeremy's giving me a look and it's just saying too cocky man. I'm getting worried. I don't know. I think I'm getting worried. Everybody's so confident. Everybody, everybody in this room is confident.

They've earned the right to be cocky. Of course, of course. Everybody so confident everybody everybody in this room is confident Of course Happy that they're starting not you can't not Scary, I'm gonna jump in here. I'm with Goldie. I love being on the road the first two games You just got to get one of them and you're coming home the whole night that does feel good I'm not saying that they don't deserve it by the way the Florida Panthers. They're the best team in hockey They were the best team in hockey last year, they've only gotten better. We saw through last year's run, the difference was there was this era, because it hasn't happened yet, there's still a little bit of fear. There's a little bit of fear. And now

I feel like all the way around every conversation, everybody is just so confident. They've done it. And it's the Toronto Maple Leafs, they haven't been past the second round in 20 years. What are you talking about, Aaron? Dangerous, Goldie. There's all this level of confidence. A parade of bass bags. You know, maybe Tashay's right.

Let's go Leafs in seven. OK, that'll be the prediction. Thank you, Goldie. Make everybody feel better. Got to turn it safe. Then when the cats go in there and kick them in the teeth, we can all rip Tashay. Thank you very much.

Because everyone knows who he is anyway. I'm the punching bag here anyway. We're good. I'll be the punching bag on that too. Goal that we had, actually he's gonna be a punching bag when he gets back, but Mike Ryan took a while to really get in on this Brad Marsha and pick up saying he wasn't very good.

Tell us what he's been doing lately. Oh, he's still waiting for Marsha to have a bad spot, a bad moment, believe me. What has he brought to the team lately? First of all, all you know they lost some chatty guys you know some guys like cousins in lombard that brought a little that juice to the table so maybe it's a little more of a serious team he brings all of that and more he does not shut up it's great and it's always positive so when you get the positive guy on the bench

always positive. So when you get the positive guy on the bench and he's going to the Hall of Fame, it's a great situation. The other thing is he's slotted in with those two young Finns. It might be the best third line since the 1970s Montreal Canadiens. They're down on the four in a row. I don't even know you look at that Canadians game with that. You know, is he just look up Google Yvonne porn Pornwaya and get back to me, okay, brother? Just, you know, look that up. So you look at the matchup, that they're on a third line. So like in the Tampa series, right? You can let Barkov and Ryan Harnover,

they take care of point Kucherov, Gensel. They kind of cancel each other out. Then the Bennett line, you know, when this series go up against Tavares, they'll probably cancel each other out. Then you Bennett line, you know, in this series go up against Tavares, they'll probably cancel each other out. Then you go to that third line and you got Rad Marshand there. He's the most talented guy of anybody. And he also makes those two young Finns, Lundell and Losterine and think

offensively a little bit more like get to the net and I'll get you the puck. So Marshand has been amazing. I didn't know his hands were quite that good. And I didn't know he was quite as fast as he is right now. I think that layoff really helped him at his age in the mid 30s. So in every way, the guy has been fantastic. And you know what I love about Kachuk and Bennett and Marshan and these guys, you know, the reputation of being, you know, the physicality and after these guys have cut all of that out. They're just playing hockey and the other team maybe has that in their mind that, hey,

these guys might bring some of that to the table and they're really not. So Marsha is fitting. So Bill Zito does, and that staff does an amazing job. Here's what we need. Here's the piece we need Let's go out and fill that hole and Marshan's been a big part of it But emotionally, what do you say to Panther fans? Because there's group these Panther group chats are filled with a couple of these kind of guys The Panther fans that care so much about the Panthers that they're like, oh, I hate the Bruins. I've always hated Marshan I will never.

Go to hell. Like, while Kachuk and Maurice and guys on the actual team have accepted him, these emotional Panther fans that are way too prideful to root for Marshawn. Why, Cody, are you worried he's going to lick you or something? Is that your? I'm not one of them. This is not me.

That was his move. I love Marshawn. I just wanted to bring out Marshawn licking you. That was his move. I love Marshaan. I just wanted to bring up Marshaan licking you. That's all really the matter of the contest. Stu Gotz loves that. So I just want to bring it up. Thank you guys for this. You know, it's the same thing.

Go back to the Yankees, right? They win World Series with Darrell Strawberry, Dwight Gooden, Wade Boggs, Roger Klum, with a bunch of Mets and Red Sox. Once the guy gets to your team, and by the way, he is a great guy, even just walking by him, you know, and what I do, always says,

hi, terrific guy, funny as heck. That's the way it is in sports. So bleep off to those Panther fans, bleep off is what we're saying. You know, you can say that, and maybe I won't, but I don't disagree with you, yeah. Just, you know, suck it up and try to get another ring. Has he licked you? He has not, yeah, and I don't disagree with you. Yeah, just, you know, suck it up and try to get another ring. Has he licked you?

He has not yet and I'm very disappointed still, you know what I mean? It's, there's no love there. Yeah, so you said the internet, it was the Calgary Flames, the 3M line, is that the internet says it was Goudreau, Gordon, Coleman, is that right? There you go, okay.

So that's when Tampa was winning those cups. Yes, they had Barclay Goodrell Blake Coleman on the wings Yanni Gordon the middle they were great. No one could match up with them. I Think these guys are more downtown on Lundell has got a ton of talent. So Similar and by the way, the lightning won two cups with with back-to-back with that line So there's the similarity I guess guess you could say, but make no mistake. Brad Marsh and is a more talented player than all of those guys. You talk about how deep the Florida Panthers are.

Mackie Samus Gavridge only played 36 minutes in that series against Tampa and Jesper Jesper, uh, both Chris played 40 minutes. I mean, are these guys going to see any time during this series versus Toronto? You know, Roy, I think a lot of these players, the depth players, and we even saw this last year with a Pozo and Lombard and Cousins, you know, I think a lot of them are interchangeable as long as they're healthy and you've got that top nine and I keep Evan Rodriguez in there who, by the way, with all the stars, he's the one that led the Panthers in scoring in the Stanley Cup final against the Edmonton Oilers people kind of forget that

So you look at that top nine that they have? It's loaded. We all know what happens in the playoffs. We've already seen it you get injuries you get suspensions You need 15 16 forwards. So the fact that they have that to me is great I'm sure at some point Sam Miskevich gets back in. You know, the thing with Mackie as a young player, and you know Roy, you're at the games, he's got that speed, he's got that offensive ability, he's not really a fourth line guy. So if you're going to play him, I think you need to play him up in the lineup.

And Rodriguez has been so good right now with, with Benedict and Kachuk and Bar-Shan's on that line with one Dell that it's a great thing to have. But I would think if they go on this run and they go far in the playoffs again, yeah, at some point, you know, a Boquist could pop up a nice time. Mackie Samuskevich gets back in there. But to your point, you got guys that scored double digits and goals during the regular season. And you need that depth to get all the way through.

And we've realized that over the years so right now I'm you know for those guys it is what it is in the lineup. And talk about how big the acquisition of Seth Jones has been especially concerned that Aaron Echblad has been suspended twice now. Twice that's right and he has one more game he'll sit out game one in Toronto Echblad. Seth Jones is another reason why Bill Zito and that Panther staff, they do it as well as anybody in all of sports. They see a guy that they know very well, because remember, Zito was in Columbus when Seth Jones was there. One of the Panthers front office

guys is Paul Fenton. He was in Nashville when they drafted Seth Jones. They've got a huge book on this guy. He's in a bad situation in Toronto, in Chicago. He's on a bad team. Just call it what it is. If he comes here, here's where we slot him in. Here's the way we play defense. So big, long reach, rangy defenseman that can skate is exactly what fits in Paul Maurice's system. Let's go get him because despite what he's doing over there, that's not who he is. You can go to Forsling, you can go to Mikala, you can go to Jones, Verhage, Ryan Hartbent,

on and on the list goes. They recognize these guys, they bring them in and Jones has been just fantastic. And to me, they got them for five more years at $7 million a year. It's a bargain. Goldie, now you have to run. We appreciate the time.

Quickly here on the way out, your Mount Rushmore of people who have covered the Florida Panthers. Wait, is he putting himself on it? Oh my goodness. That is, I gotta think about this. Mike Russo. Wow.

Okay. And current George Richards is still around. I'll throw him in there. He is still around, confirmed. You're not talking broadcasters. Just anyone who has covered the Panthers. I mean there's someone, listen, I don't want to get in there.

Dave Dwork. Oh wow, that's the guy. Doing twerk. Then there's some dude I see in the chicken fingers and the free food in the press spots. I think his name is Roy. No, that's. Might be part of a.

Oh, sorry, that's Wah. Wow. It's that guy. It's that guy. Wah Bellamy. Congratulations. Wah Bellamy. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you Goldie. I appreciate you. All right, boys, see ya. Thank you Goldie. Wow, what an honor you, Goldie. I appreciate you. All right, boys. See you. Thank you, Goldie. Wow, what an honor. See you guys.

I love that, man. What an honor, Ru-wah. Thank you. Thank you. Roy, you made the Mount Rushmore. Yes, yes, I'm very proud. You went Dwork. I'm very proud.

Being Dwork, yeah, I'm very happy about that. The hockey show was made. Dwork first, though. Yeah, hockey show coming up later. Greg's gonna be outraged. Cody. Folks, listen up. Boxing's biggest weekend is here and DraftKings Sportsbook is bringing the heat. On Friday Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney and Tia Fimo Lopez throw down in Times Square. On Saturday,

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You're a Panther group chat though. No, I think, no, but dude dude you're so wrong on that we've been terrified of this team forever and I think there's a different energy where the Panthers they want the lightning Stu guts I want t-shirts made for this Panther run what could be this Panther run our Panther group chat we're not afraid of the lightning that's a tagline for world three this is the done libertar show with his two guards speaking of Cody he owns a horse you have a top five list of is it people in

sports or athletes who can note horses? So the Kentucky Derby is this weekend. That always comes around and surprises me. Like that and the Tour de France. You just, wow, look, it's starting. You have no idea. The Tour de France doesn't really surprise me. I just don't care about it.

No, that's true. You know? And I'm not certain I care about the Derby as well. Nope. But I do have a top five list of athletes who can note horse racing. I got news for you with races of all kinds. It needs to be on one day. If your race takes three weeks, I don't care about it. What about the Olympics? What

race takes three weeks in the Olympics? What Chris is saying is the Indy 500, they do 500 laps in a day. He doesn't need stages with his race., well whatever it is Tour de France? Wow I thought it was 500. Okay. I thought it was 500 laps So anything with wheels is just the 500 lap race. You don't want stages with your race It's just like yeah, like if I'm running if I'm biking this race and I win it I've only won it for today So it's just annoying. You want a stage the first 10th of the NBA season. That's what it is.

It's a bike race season. It's just a bunch of stages. Do you have OLIs? What about the Masters? That's like a four day affair. It's an event, not a race. I am much different. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. I wish it were six rounds to be honest with you. One more mess. Starting on Tuesday? Yes. I have six O.L.I's. You know what I don't like?

I don't like the tennis ones that it's like a month. That it's like the Australian Open. And it's like this is still going on. That's the only reason why I know what Fortnite is is because of tennis. I think that the Miami Open, it felt like three weekends in a row. People were like, I'm going to the Miami Open.

It's like, it's still going on? Yeah, but these are- What's taking so long? These are tournaments, different than a race. I don't care. No one remembers who wins the Miami Open. You can get that done in two days. No, you're right, you're right. Yeah.

How many people, to Billy's point, how many people start a tennis tournament? Like 64? Is it something like that? I think it's just open invite whoever wants to participate Yeah, and then they just slowly wean off people you know it's like challengers Sure, just open invite anybody want to go up to Paris and play Yeah, you're pretty good. You're the third. Just wear white and you're good. You can play

That's true Anyway, I was saying I have six O.L.I. All right, let's go. You got to hit them then. Kenny Main. Alindo Moray. Quinton Post. Orlando Pace.

Connor Stallions. Paul Furlong. Who's that? Soccer player. Ah, okay. I think. Number five, Nay Nay Hilario. That name's always gonna make me laugh.

It's made several lists, yes. Especially when you know he dropped the hilarious and it's still a great name. Either one on its own is a great name. If you would have dropped the Nae Nae, hilarious would have been an amazing name. Number four, Colt McCoy. Number three, Matt Trainor. Number two, Michael Gallup.

Number one, Trot Nixon. Thank you. That's amazing. I like the Linda Mare. That was really good. Trot Nixon Friday. Kenny Mayne as an OLI. It was great.

When you think of Trot Nixon, what's the first thing that comes to mind? Red socks. Really? I think of wearing your pants high, showing the socks. Or a guy that doesn't look like he should be doing it. He didn't give off like he wears his socks high. He gives off, Billy, tell me if I'm wrong here, major asshole.

That's what I think of when I think of Trot Nix. Like JJ Reddick? No, that that would be my first thought. His hat was always really, really dirty. That's one thing I remember about Trot Nix. Did you have a bad experience with Trot Nix in there? No, it feels like every time people talked about him, it was like he was a jerk to them.

And he's just got a little bit of a, hey, that guy could be mean type of face. Type of face? The funny thing is, I kind of see what you're doing. Sorry, I'm sorry, Trot. He's probably a very nice guy. According to Google's AI overview, yes, Trot Nixon is generally considered a nice person

and a good teammate. But I'm going to go ahead and look. AI overviews are wrong about everything. We've lost our ability to find information. I'll find out more. Ask about Dan Lebatard. What does it say about Dan Lebatard? Okay, I'll Google, is Dan Lebatard nice?

Because that's what I Googled for Trot Nixon. Is Dan Lebatard nice? No, I know who he is. I wanna see what AI thinks. Dan Lebatard is known for his often contrarian and controversial opinions, earning his nickname the hateable Dan Lebatard. Wow, so not nice.

What? While he is a popular figure in sports media, particularly with the hateable Dan Lebatard. Wow, so not nice. What? While he is a popular figure in sports media, particularly with the show The Dan Lebatard Show with Stu Gotts, his outspoken nature and unconventional style may not be universally perceived as nice. There it is. Google AI says Trotniction is nice,

but Dan Lebatard is not. This is fun, do Greg Cody now. I was gonna say do Jeremy Tash. The nicest. Oh, all right. You'd be so sad if it said that you were a jerk. I'll go Greg Cody first. Is Greg Cody now?

A-Hai's not gonna know who Jeremy is. Greg Cody's niceness seems to be a point of discussion with reviews highlighting his humor and star status while some also express frustration with his co-host Chris's behavior. Some listeners appreciate- I swear to God it says it. Some listeners appreciate the show's dynamic

and find Greg hilarious, while others find Chris's constant complaints or excessive talking to be detrimental to the show's overall enjoyment. Overall, Greg seems to be well regarded for his comedic talent, but his show's dynamic, particularly the role of his co-host, is subject to miscommunication. That's such a win for you,

because it doesn't even mention the Dan Leventard show. It's just the Greg Cody show. Is Greg Cody nice gets Chris ripped by Google AI. I did not see that coming. Well, you deserve it. I was like, let's do Greg Cody. Be nicer to your dad, man. At least I should get paid like a cove.

Is Stu Gottz nice? OK. Actually, I have a new question for Jeremy. You should ask AI, do you know who I am? Ask ChatGBT that. Do that next. I want to see it. OK, I'll do that next.

Hold on. Is Stu Gottz nice? I I wanna see if I'm nice. John Stugots Wiener, known for his character on The Dan LeBattard Show, presents a persona that is quote, not typically considered nice in the traditional sense. He's known for his loud opinionated and sometimes exaggerated commentary on sports.

While some viewers enjoy his comedic take on sports, his clown prince persona, others find, and his clown prince persona, others find, and his clown prince persona, others find his demeanor to be annoying or even offensive. In the traditional sense. Oh, f*** you AI. You should do a show with AI. Like a show that's just reacting to AI talking about things.

The answer. Alright, now I gotta know if I'm nice. Yeah, I'm going to Izzy next. And mind you, I'm just Googling this. I think you gotta go my full government name I don't think you can go is Israel. Yeah, it this thing is smart. It will be like, oh Izzy you mean Israel Gutierrez former What we got former there AI overview gives me nothing on Izzy it just goes immediately to his Instagram page No, that

Visual evidence that I'm nice. I'd rather be non-existent with it than the way they think of me Oh, that was I don't like that. Wow, I'm gonna start being nicer. Hmm. Thanks. Hey, I let's look up Roy full government name Wah Bellamy Who else can we look up? Both Chris and Roy do not come up either. I'm looking for myself. I came up out. No, not just my Twitter Well, how about Billy find out Billy Gill? In the AI nepotism page relax. No card. No Billy either really my bus are famous enough

All right, not in the traditional sense, but you're some version of nice to guts He is you're nice. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that.

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I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm, get off me, I'm not that mean to my dad, but a robot tells you you're mean to your dad, it's like, wow, I gotta think about this. The funny thing is, is I often get from Yeti and my dad, like, oh, there were some comments about you being, I'm like, oh, that's one, apparently there's a lot of these comments. Enough that Google AI knows about it. Geez, I'm just trying to be funny with my dad,

I'm sorry, I love him. Right. Find a funny way of showing that. Yeah, but it comes across as mean. That's fair. I mean, he does do things that are-, but it comes across as mean. That's fair. I mean, he does do things that are- You walk a fine line when you're trying to be funny all the time.

Right. Occasionally it comes across as mean. I know, that's fair. Especially when your dad's not in a good mood. Yeah. Right. As the 26th best guest in show history, I like to say I like the dynamic.

Thank you. I think he handles it very well and he knows that you're not being serious. Right. That's what I mean. We have a great relationship off air. So that's why I don't often change my ways because I know him and I are good,

but the audience definitely doesn't like it. Yes, numerous accounts indicate that Steve Goldstein was known for his humor, kindness, generosity, and intelligence. Yeah. Ooh, we're talking about the wrong Steve Goldstein. Oh, that's not something. I'm gonna find out soon.

What? Wow, wow. This is a dead professor. Do Amin Elhassen. Ooh. I'd be disappointed if Amin was on there and I was not. We'll do a show together. Feelings are getting hurt.

Here we go. Amin is not there, but the first auto-fill on Google was is Amin Elhassen married? He'll never tell us anything. I would've thought he got mad at Dan the other day when he referred to one of his children as a specific gender, and he hates that. What happened to Amin Elhassan's face, is there?

That's just how he looks. Stu, you had an interesting thought that, I feel like maybe we share some brain wavelengths here. Okay, well that's scary for you. Not as scary as that sound from Roy was. Because. Well we're trying to find more people from our universe here. Mina Kimes generally appears to be perceived

as both positive and an approachable person. Both online and in person, based on her interactions and public persona. Pablo. On it. When you're done with Pablo, David Sampson please. Oh, oh no. I wanna hear the, please. Oh, we know the answer. I want to hear the answer out loud.

You know the answer to all these things. You know the people. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. It's difficult to definitively say whether Pablo Torey is nice in a general sense, as that is a subjective term. It seems like Google AI took on his condescension. Stu gots, we were joking before the show. Who are we talking about Stu gots,

where we were talking about the land of no expectations? I wanna create like a fictional place where we put all the athletes in sports that we just like, they can be average. It was the Marlins pitcher, I can't remember. Oh, Sandy. Yes. Well yeah, we're accusing Sandy, Jeremy.

See if you follow us here. Cause he has an eight ERA to start the season. We're thinking that he actually likes being in Miami. Can we be clear? You're thinking this. No, I'm thinking this. I didn't say anything. I'm throwing this out there as a theory,

that Sandy actually enjoys being in South Florida, and Stu Gott said maybe because he's cool getting paid well with no expectations, maybe just likes living here. So he is tanking his stats this early on here, just to avoid getting traded somewhere. If he wasn't coming off of Tommy John surgery, I would be all in with you on this. I would love that.

In the contract situation he's in, just take a few starts here and there so people get out on you for the trade deadline. But with enough time that he has left on the contract, I gotta think he's just, Sandy's a really competitive maniac and I just have to think that that can't be true, but I love where your head's at.

Okay, but it's people, just so I know what the game is. I'm picturing a beach, it's like a resort. Yes. It's the land of no expectations. Sandy's there on the beach, it's what's beat us. Sandy Beach. The players themselves have no expectations.

They want to be there, right? There's no pressure to win. It's not the Yankees, it's not the Lakers, it's just you can do your thing, you can be good, you can be bad, and there's gonna be no pressure from the media. Kyle, there's all this pressure on Luka Dankic, right? To win an NBA championship, make it to the finals, he's done it pressure on Luka Donkic, right? To win an

NBA championship, make it to the finals, he's done it once, but to win a title, right? But there are no pressure, there is no pressure on certain NBA guys. Bradley Beal. Bradley Beal is a good one. I mean, a mayor of this town not only doesn't want the expectations, but has a no trade clause, so it's just like, I control all this. He can't be the mayor. He might have a suite in the hotel, but I don't know if he's it's just like, I control all this. He can't be the mayor. He might have a suite in the hotel, but I don't know if he's the mayor. See, I put mayor because it's not like the highest thing, right, or I'd be president or king of it.

So mayor is just like that. Jordan Poole? Wow. Sean Casey. So Donovan Mitchell is a guy that should have expectations, but he lives in the land of no expectations. Even with them being the one seed, I still think they don't have expectations.

Right. That's crazy to say. That's kind of the perfect place to be, right? Which is you're actually on a great team that can do something, but no one expects it. No one's sitting here saying Donovan Mitchell needs to win an NBA championship. Okay, so why?

The people who are putting these people on, not the players themselves who want no expectations, right? Like the players are- This has nothing to do with what they want. It's all about media perception. This is all interesting too, because Donovan Mitchell, who you no expectations, right? Like the players are- This has nothing to do with what they want, it's all about media perception. This is all interesting too, because Donovan Mitchell, who you just mentioned, like you probably don't consider Donovan Mitchell

to be amongst the elite superstars of the game. But he's a first team all NBA player, so now would be the time that you would put expectations on the Cavs. Oh, you had the most dominant first round series in NBA history, why wouldn't you put the expectations on Cleveland? Yet they have no expectations, in fact, I would say the NBA doesn't want Cleveland

anywhere near their NBA finals, I mean. I just thought of a good one, this person, last two seasons, has been living at the land of no expectations, but his time is up, he needs to go, because next year, he's not gonna be at the land of no expectations. Oh boy. Wemby.

Oh yeah. He has been living in the land of no expectation. Oh boy. Wemby. Oh yeah. He has been living in the land of you are the future. No pressure though. Off of an injury though. I think you got De'Aaron Fox. I think it's his third year, right? Am I wrong? This is not the rookie year, right?

This is second year, right? Next year will be his third year. Right, that's what I mean. So we're entering that third year. You have De'Aaron Fox. You gotta make the playoffs next year, right? If you're Wemby? There's, yes, yes.

He is, he's been living he is. That's expectations! But he is, he's packing up. He's had a nice two year vacation. He's, you know that sad last day of vacation that's what he's got right now. Plus Chris, he's playing for an organization where Tim Duncan is one, David Robinson is one. Like the expectation is high there.

He had to book the entire first class though so he can really stretch out before he leaves. But Jeremy's got a decent one, I think. Jimmy Butler, he got to capitalize off of it. Being with the Heat, being an eight seed, there were no expectations. And then he, no but hold on, then he thrives up. Then the next two seasons, there were no expectations

for that team to be so good because everybody felt like he wasn't surrounded by talent and he's capitalized off of living in the land of no expectations but was just shipped to the land of no expectations. You can't say that with the heat culture, like all we do is win. How can we say that to us down here? Guys, when Jimmy Butler got here, Stan Van Gundy was saying, if he's your best player, your team's not very good. Right, his whole time down here, it was the land of no expectations. He was right. Can I argue that the red carpet is being rolled out.

The finals twice. And the greatest guest in the history of this island, of No Man's Land, is on the way. That's not what this place is called. And what's it called? It's called No Man's Land. No Man's Land. No Man's Land is a different place.

Yeah, that's like, I would hate that. I would hate No Man's Land. Rolling out the red carpet for LeBron James. Wow. Ooh, for the first time in his entire career. His whole career has been the land of expectations. He's planning a trip there. He's like looking at like Expedia.

I would argue that championships has, like if you're triaging things that matter the most for him, championships has moved down the list. And what's more important for him, championships has moved down the list. And what's more important for him is another year of setting these ridiculous records. Wow, nobody's done this at 41 and having the ultimate retirement tour.

Like the perfect ending to him, not involve championship. No pressure whatsoever. What do you think has less expectations, LeBron James or Bronny James? Wow. That's a tough one, no it's not. What's the ceiling on Brawny James? His dad's ceiling?

No. Is that where he lives? As long as his dad plays. Do you think Izzy that LeBron would switch teams and end his career not playing with Brawny? Yeah, I think he would. I think Brawny would just be part of any deal LeBron's in. What's interesting is that it was just reported

by the Athletic that people close to LeBron James aren't ruling out the possibility of him finishing his career elsewhere from LA. No, of course. Isn't that the first whisper of an actual move? Like that's the only, it happens when you start saying right alright I have a hypothetical for you guys. I love it. It's a fun one. Okay, okay, so LeBron says you know what? Careers winding down I want things to end the right way

I want you know leave like on a positive note everywhere like it went back to Cleveland and did things the right way It's out in LA, delivered them a championship, but there's one spot that there may still be some bad blood there, and I want mad love, you know? So he calls and he says, hey, Mickey, listen. You're so fine. I don't like the way things ended. Wrapping up my Hall of Fame career.

I know that things are a little bit better between us. At some point, the number will be up in the rafters. Maybe a statue, who knows. But I wanna end things the right way. I'm not happy with the way things went. You and I, we've had a great relationship. I wanna do you a solid also. I was talking to KD, like KD's down.

We wanna have one last hurrah, like a big bang, to end the career, just a going out party. Maybe make a run, maybe we get you one more championship. Get us one more championship. But we're not doing this with Pat. That is just beyond repair. We're not, we wanna do this the right way, but no Pat. But you get me and you get KD.

And we figured it out, you know what? Andy's a genius with the numbers. He'll figure out how to make the numbers work. We're not here to break the bank, you know. We'll play with Ben, we'll play with Tyler, we'll play with whoever we have to. But it's gonna be me and KD, we wanna come to Miami and end our career here,

but we're not doing this with Pat. What do you do? And you build me the statue before we start playing, so I have a statue while I'm gone. Well, they'll figure that out, but the question is, what do you do? What do you do? Do you take Kevin Durant and LeBron James

if it means that Pat has gotta go? Absolutely. A 41-year-old LeBron James. But he comes with Kevin Durant. And a 38-year-old Kevin. A 35-year-old Kevin Durant. How old old Kevin. 35 year old Kevin Durant. How old is Pat Riley? What has he done for me lately?

No, I'm kidding. Wow. Of course you do that. Not only do you do that. Pat would do that. Pat Riley on the way out is like, you're welcome. That would be a way to go out.

That is the thing, right? You get them technically even if the only reason you get them is because they don't want to be with you and then you step out and you say, hey, congratulations, here you go, I'm gone. He walks off into the sunset before the championship is even won because he knows they're gonna win a championship.

I think that's that. Hands it off to the next front office. But then everyone that said, you know what, Pat was holding them back, then they get proven right, if they win a championship as soon as he's gone. And what does he care? Yeah, but he made the ultimate sacrifice.

Yes, I mean, oh my God, talk about heat culture. Holy crap. That's a way to go out. His career could end. I mean, oh my god talk about heat culture. Oh Way to go out Sacrifice my career for the betterment of the franchise. We'll even throw in throw in Jeremy to This is perhaps a deal that you've ever offered. Where do I go? Am I going to Los Angeles for a play to be named later? They would if this happens they will name maybe 9th Street after Billy Gill if I can't do the heat games Can I still do the Marlins games? Unbelievable Billy