The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: The Loss Rating Scale

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

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See rules at website for participating area and other important details sponsored by Diageo Americas, Inc. New York, New York. Welcome to the big suey presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants

just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face and the habitual liar. I have in front of me Diana Rusini's what I'm hearing about NFL trade deadline,

13 players, 18 teams to watch closely. Oh wow. I can't do this. Wow. I can't watch 18 teams closely. Put it on. It'd be easier for you to tell me the teams that I don't have to watch closely. Put it on the poll at LeBataard Show. Can you watch 18 teams closely? Yes or no?

We could disperse the players amongst us and we each keep an eye on two or three players. Well, this one's already old news. Give me the breaking news sound, even though we're an hour late into trade deadline day. We've got something, thank you. She's writing, the team has checked in, the Lions. They've been hunting a pass rusher

with numerous teams around the league, including Cleveland with the hopes of landing Zedaria Smith, who they've now landed. They have now landed Zedaria Smith. That's right. Zedaria Smith has been landed. No team more than Dan Campbell and the Lions could hunt for a lineman, a pass rusher. Yes, they hunt for a pass rusher, an edge rusher. They hunt for violence.

They hunt because they lost Hutchinson. They've got one of like the seven guys in the league who can have four sacks a game and he's hurt. And so now they got poor man. After Tannenbaum was out here saying trade everything in for Miles Garrett, they get a very poor man's Miles Garrett here in Zedaria Smith, but he's a pass rusher and it's what they wanted. And they didn't have to trade everything. Right. Well, this is what the chiefs can do when you're a piece away. You don't go after Devonte Adams, you just go DeAndre Hopkins and you can make it work and now they're 8-0 and they've won 14 straight and we're talking about all

the other teams in the leagues when everyone's 4-5. And how many two win teams do we have in that league? Is a third of the league terrible? Yes. Yep. Yes. Yeah, but all in the hunt. Mm-hmm everyone. Yeah Half of the league is average. That's a good pickup for Detroit. Sure. I like it. Sure. I like it Cool, did we feel better about their chances? No, we've got till 4 p.m. Today for someone to up the stakes on Detroit I heard on the way in I heard people arguing. I think was Floria's show Do you take the Lions or the field in the NFC? Do you take the Lions or the field? Can we make that a social media tile?

Dan, do you like their chances? Sure. That's great engagement, Bate. I like their chances yesterday, I have to be honest. I would take the Lions, by the way. You want me to do it another way? Okay, this is the greatest team in Lions history, and it just got better. That's I mean yeah but that's how you do it but I mean this

this is the season with most expectations in Lions history and they've exceeded them and they just did it again not too wordy okay other than the seasons when Detroit won the NFL championship you mean? If it happens in the 50s it doesn't count. Bobby Lane. I mean come on. You've got to have a Super Bowl. No before the Super Bowl is not football. You're an old man. You don't remember those games. No I don't. I was a toddler. You don't legitimize 1957 championships pre-Super Bowl. So what Vince Lombardi did with the Green Bay Packers doesn't even count. It didn't happen.

It's during Red Arbac's age, yes, but they all had second jobs as plumbers. You can erase them from the record books if you like. They're all- Yeah, Bill- The fullback looked like you back then. Bill Russell didn't win 11 NBA titles. Sorry, Bill.

Didn't happen. We weren't there to watch it. That's right. Didn't happen. We weren't there to watch it. Didn't happen. You were 6'9 center. You couldn't play power forward today if you're Bill Russell. Oh, stop that. Going after Bill Russell. I mean, knock it off. How dare you? He's got no game. Put that on the scroll. Bill Russell had no game? Offensive game. What do you think would happen to Bill? You tell me what you think would happen to Bill Russell in the paint right now with today's

player. You tell me how you think that would go for Bill Russell. A double, double machine winning championships. That's what would happen if Bill Russell was playing today. Put some respect on his name, man. He was 6'9". I don't care. He played like he.

That's right. Yeah. Hit me hip and Rudy Gobert right out of the paint. Please go look at his offensive averages. He was 6'9", he played like he was 7'2". What day are we playing? Because half the days of Stars don't play, so Bill Russell would be eating people up. Stugats, go ahead and look.

I don't think you know what Bill Russell's numbers are. I don't think you have any idea how limited an offensive player he was. You have no idea what you're talking about right now. You're just waving around Bill Russell's championships. Well, of course. I mean, who wouldn't? He's got 15 of them or something like that. But can we meet in the middle?

Against a bunch of people who look like Cody and dribbled with both hands and were wearing a belt around their shorts. He averaged 15 points per game for his career. I mean, solid. No game is insulting. Can we just meet in the middle, Dan? I meanaged 15 points per game for his career. I mean solid. No game is insulting. Can we just meet in the middle Dan? I mean he has no game. Not today. Can't we judge people in their era instead of saying oh babe Ruth against today's pitchers? Irrelevant. Irrelevant. He dominated in his time. That's all we ask athletes to do. I'm not going to say how would LeBron

have played back in 1890. Doesn't matter. Irrelevant. Man, he would have been good. Oh my god. Can you imagine? Better than Jordan. 1890? They didn't play the sport yet back then. Greg Cody is in. He has placed his book in front of him. He came in a little bit late today and there were some conflicting opinions about how he feels about the Dolphins because I believe he was Misrepresented in the other room when people said that he was happy with a quality loss No Billy said that well, I thought they were misrepresenting you I'm pretty sure was Stu got there Billions to got to both gotten to a point where they just don't care what they're saying anymore. What is that supposed to be?

What there's no factual no factual basis in anything you guys say. And so you had Greg Cody on the opposite side of an argument. There's no way Greg Cody's coming into this dolphin season with a moral victory that makes them fall to two and six. I think Greg will enjoy this. What happened, Greg, so you know, is you send me and Dan your topics when you come in every week.

And one of them today was no points for good try. Dolphins fall again as Buffalo Curse continues. And Billy and I were saying perhaps we should change the standings and how we do it in the NFL where you should get some credit for a quality loss. That's all we were saying. Well, we were saying, cause Dan even before you got here, Greg,

was even saying, well, the numbers, you know, the play may have not been the right one, but the numbers said that was the right play. And he was disagreeing with the numbers. We kept going back to the numbers, the numbers, the numbers. And we said, well, here's a number, like, because obviously the math doesn't always end up working out. I can advise you this is probably the most prudent thing to do, but it doesn't always work out.

So you're saying there's no such thing as a moral victory, essentially, right? So what we were saying is sometimes there's some tough luck losses And you should get credit for said tough luck losses not in the win-loss Standings like a tie in hockey like you guys would give Tampa Bay a quality loss last night Yes, I think yeah, there's there should be because there's blowouts and then there's quality losses, right? So what if and we're just kind of throwing this out there, and look, baseball had rule changes. Yeah. But you do get points if you lose after regulation.

Anyways, the point was, Greg, we were saying, what if we reserve one of these now expanded playoff spots to the team that has the most quality losses? So they're hard luck losers, but it's because of circumstances that were beyond their control sometimes and maybe they should get a seat at the table. That's all we said. Not crazy.

Dolphins are still losing the first round. Yeah well. Not only was that not a good win, it was a particularly bad win. A particularly frustrating loss. Let's start again Greg. It's been a minute. The comedians threw you off. You came in late. We could start the whole show again if you want. Because I think he's disoriented. He came in and then all of a sudden Roy Wood's talking. No one's introduced Roy Wood. We could start the show over. It was very disorienting. We could start the whole thing. I knew Roy Wood was on. I saw him up there. I love him. He's really good. You were saying it's not a bad loss It's not a good loss. It's just a loss. It's a particularly bad loss

Because the Dolphins wait, that's a whole nother category Wow and things are BL Yeah, we do need to extend the standings particularly bad law. Look who wants to play the game Dallas Cowboy you think I believe what I'm arguing right now? I think so. The Ravens lost to the Raiders early in the season. We're not talking about that. I want to contrast the two Dolphin losses to Buffalo this year. When they lose 31 to 10 at home, they deserve to lose. There's reasons all over the field why they lost by that margin margin including 3-0 in turnover differentials this game on sunday they they had every reason to win the game

to a played great he had the fifth best quarterback game in the league played their best game of the season and lost anyway and they also had a hundred and forty yards rushing for the first time for the fourth straight game for the first time in 2009 this is what the Dolphins this was what was at stake for the Dolphins lest you not understand how the bills have dominated this division And even if you can pray for hey, maybe everyone gets hurt in the second half Maybe Josh Allen gets hurt and all of a sudden somebody wins the division at 10 and 7 because whatever What you saw on Sunday is the is the dolphins at their very best still lost

the dolphins with jalen ramsey getting the rare interception on josh allen at the goal line still lost at the dolphins lost josh allen is running past your entire secondary galloping past it running for thirty yards it's a penalty it's not a touchdown anymore you still lost to the buffalo bills in a game that only one team was playing for its season and its blueprint there was only the bills lose that game it doesn't matter at all they still believe they can beat the dolphins in every turn still have a huge uh...

uh... they have a huge top of the division the dolphins are playing to get the heat off their coach the dolphins are playing to get off like rex ryan is calling him mcgenius they're making fun of the division the dolphins are playing to get the heat off their coach the dolphins are playing to get off like mcrex ryan is calling him mcgenius they're making fun of the dolphins now they were playing to not have their season ended against buffalo they were playing to have a second half of the season worth playing and now they're taking calls on kalaus campbell because why would he remain here the last part of his career right but that was a quality loss as opposed to the bad loss to the Dolphins had earlier

in the season to the Buffalo Bulls. That was a quality loss, Dan. To me, I saw a team that could beat any team on any field on any given Sunday. That's what I saw. Okay. When they play their best, they don't win. That's discouraging. It's a deal. It's a discouraging loss. But they come close. Okay, so you want to change the standings to have seven, okay, seven different standings, including particularly bad loss.

Is that the worst of the distinction? Also CC, come close. Okay, but what's the worst of the distinction? Since we're now having the standings have nine columns, what's the worst? But there's more than nine in the standings presently, so why not add a couple? The worst is EDL, especially discouraging loss.

That's the worst? An EDL is worse than a particularly bad loss. Yes, depending on the doctor. Particularly bad loss is next to last? Discouraging is very difficult to quantify. We're just doing this all vibes. Exactly. Vibes is a good stat.

No, but you guys did this before. We basically need a committee for this. Put it on the poll,ju at lebatard show What do you prefer to go by in overtime? the math or the vibes No one changes the vibes quite like Patrick my homes get the ball has anyone ever asked the question Which do you prefer vibes or math with the answer math? Right.

And late in the football game, I prefer to play probabilities than I would your vibes. I prefer to win. Probabilities you touted your own for for the season and don't take into account the greatest quarterback of all time and the fact that you only have Cade Auden out there. They do.

And you're also on our side. I don't know why we're having a spirited debate right now. It's weird. Cade Auden is gonna be a pro bowler. Yeah, really good. He's the puka nakuha of this year. You're right. Billy. I'm gonna write a song about him. Billy get the puka naku a song there real quick Chris but Billy's big board bets came in. He had all he had that game pegged last night. He had exactly how it

is Baker Mayfield was going to play and he won a three-team parlay. Well it's not a parlay they're individual things. The 25 and 12 on the season. If you make it a parlay and one leg loses, you lose a parlay. But all of your bets would have won last night. Well, Billy was 3-0, and he was texting me towards the end of the game because he was nervous. Yeah, he said, I believe in Baker 100%. No, he said you hated Baker is what you said to me.

And then Baker came through with a touchdown pass, and you hit all your bets. But I love how Billy cares, because I imagine Billy doesn't have more than $ five, $10 on these games, but he cares that the listeners are taking his advice and he does not want them to lose. Billy and Juju take this very seriously and have done it very well.

They care deeply about the bets they're making and they often get them right in a way like last night that was lopsided because they're actually studying the games. But this is rarefied air. Cody is offering perhaps to write, them right in a way like last night that was lopsided because they're actually studying the games but this is rarefied air cody is offering perhaps to write i'd call come at i thought had a song in him i'm surprised to hear you say that you're willing to do another puka kind of song yeah his name is But when his hammy got a tear, he saw Pooka standing there. His blade diminished, Hussle take over. Nakua hopped into the car, McVeigh has maybe found a star.

And then that Stafford threw him 25 and 2. Oh, there's a brand new kid in town out of VYU. They call him Pooka, Pooka Nakua. His quarterback is not named Tooa. For all we study that sport, I tell you right now the field and the Rams are healthy. The field and the NFC, but the Rams are healthy. I'm taking the Lions. I know a lot of people are taking the Lions today, halfway through the season, without accounting for what injuries are going to be the second half of the season. One more comment.

Christian McCaffrey is about to come back. Don't quit on the 49ers. Mike's been there for a month, but I would say to you right now, if I put the Lions at home against healthy Rams or healthy 49ers, none of you are surprised if the 49ers or the Rams win. Not at all. Not surprised in any way, because football happened. We saw that game week one. It was really close. By the way, you can still get the Rams as of yesterday on DraftKings Sportsbook and Plus Juice to make the postseason. It's an interesting team because we get forgetful very quick in that sport. I understand how Mahomes has done it recently but before Mahomes and Reed it was McVeigh was smarter than

everyone and when they're healthy they look a bit smarter than everyone like when when they're healthy which isn't all that often because they're turning their wide receivers to nubs because of how they play offense right and and how physical those receivers are their bodies are being turned to dissolve dust Williams is a good running back Puka is back Cooper is back and I guess you're. Now that I'm thinking about it, we should not be surprised if the, if the Rams make a deep play. One late night text over a couple glasses of wine to Aaron Donald from being favored. Everybody in the league is four and five. And it's basically, can you just get to the playoffs with McCaffrey healthy? Can you get, can you get into the games that

matter and then go to a playoff game in Philadelphia where McCaffrey doesn. Can you get into the games that matter and then go to a playoff game in Philadelphia where McCaffrey doesn't have to be our quarterback because the other seven guys are injured? By the way, there are nine to win teams in the NFL since you asked earlier. Nine. Plus 450 to win the NFC for the San Francisco 49ers that will do the thing where they get the guys back and then all of a sudden there's a fishy line to them on the road, but you trust Kyle Shanahan to at least get to the Super Bowl. Speaking of getting guys back, they got the Andre Hopkins via trade but they're going

to get Pacheco and Rice back. The Chiefs are going to get those guys back. They're overwhelming. How confident are we on Rice coming back? Okay, wait a minute. Hold on. Stu gots minor penalty, two a minute. Hold on. I said it was positive. I said positive. Stu got minor penalty two minutes for Chief's talk. You can't say they're overwhelming. You can't say anything. They've won 14 in a row. You've been doubting them the entire time. Yeah. So. Okay, get out of here. It was positive. You can't talk about the Chiefs. I'm setting something up. You're not allowed to talk. You're not allowed to have opinions

on the Chiefs. You spent the entire postseason last year doubting them and now you're not allowed to talk you're not allowed to have opinions on the Chiefs You spent the entire postseason last year doubting them and now you're saying they're overwhelming when all they do is win one score games They're all they're a play away from losing all the time But that plays third down and my homes has got the ball and you're going to lose when that happens I don't know that you guys want to do this, but I was looking at their schedule They have like one tough game left. This team could go undefeated in the regular season. You want to go this but I was looking at their schedule they have like one tough game left this team could go undefeated in the regular season you want to go game by game we can do it if you want I don't want to do it I never want to do

that with you like they do more than everybody else and it's been explained to me that it's actually legal and my eyes are lying to me that no no no they can do that but they see see, it feels like cheating. You're right. The chiefs have, we talked about the tush push, the tush push, the tush push. The chiefs have a play where they are actively allowed to cheat and never get called for it

because America, your eyes are lying to you. They've gamed the system, they're doing something that you've always known to be illegal, it is now legal, but only when the chiefs do it. No one else has this particular timing. They continue to get away with it. Also a correction, Rishi Rice, not expected back till next season.

I didn't think Pacheco was either. We'll see. No, Pacheco is. Pacheco might be end of the month. Pacheco is expected back, but not Rishi Rice. Broken leg. Sometimes the bones are easier than tendons. Yeah. I mean, they won't be back for next week

against the Broncos, but that's probably a win regardless. The Broncos are funny because you guys, they're pretty good. You can talk yourself into Bo Nicks who's older than Aaron Rodgers. I Just love so I just love that That is now what people are looking at the Broncos because they can get into the playoffs in the AFC because everyone's hurt and Four and five and five and four is good enough right now. It's so stupid It really is like honestly what we're watching trying to convince ourselves none of us think the Broncos have any reasonable chance but can they get in the playoffs? Of course they can because everyone's five and four. Everyone's four

and five and hurt. It's truly a testament to how wonderful slash awful that Thursday nighter between the Colts and the Broncos was a couple years ago with Matt Ryan and Russell Wilson because it convinced everybody that the Denver Broncos are bad. Look at where they finished last year. They weren't that bad and they turned it around after getting thoroughly dismantled by the Miami Dolphins defensively.

They tightened up. They're a team that you trust defensively. The Broncos have, this is true of a lot of teams in the league. It's partially true of the Vikings. Maybe you think they're a good team or maybe you think they're a good half a team. The Broncos have what appears to be a good enough defense to beat the bad teams like the Jets on the road

if Aaron Rodgers doesn't do it exactly right at the end. Therefore, the Jets are one of the league's bad teams and there are tons of them. Half of the, it feels like between a third and a half of the league is bad football teams. The confusing part about the Broncos is they went to Tampa, Tampa coming off of quality wins against the Philadelphia Eagles and the Detroit Lions and they went into Tampa and they controlled that game from start to finish. So yeah they

can TCB against bad teams but they can also mess around and win one. If you're the Broncos look Sean Payton is still feeling the echoes of people put seven the Dolphins put 70 on him and made an announcement to the league that it's no longer Payton's time they put 70 on Sean Payton and since then he's gone about 500 he wins about half of his games and the Denver Broncos do a thing that not everyone can do in the sport which you just mentioned two road games that they won Tampa and New York you went on the road and beat another one of these three and six and four and five teams. You said that the Dolphins loss to the

Bills was a bad loss was that a bad win for the Bills because that's a team that you think is so much superior to them and and it's gonna be a bad loss. Was that a bad win for the Bills? Because that's a team that you think is so much superior to them. And it's gonna be a tough test. I think for- There's a bad win now too? Well no, I'm wondering if Great W. Great W. Thinks it's a bad win because they're one of the teams

that poses a threat to the Chiefs and they play in week 11. Billy, do me a favor before you ask any more questions the rest of this show. Get me the spectrum that you want now on the standings of good wins, bad wins, particularly bad wins. I wanna know what your grading scale is so that I can do this with some finality, please.

I will tell you this in terms of that spectrum. When you win a division game on the road, it can never be a bad win. It can be an average win in AW. An AW. A win's a win. A non-descript win. A win's a win. A win's a win. A win's a win. Right. So you guys, wait a minute, you guys really want to do this every week?

How many columns are there? We're not sure yet. It's a work in progress. You think the Chiefs could pull one out there in Buffalo? So are wins and losses actually in these standings anymore? No. They are, yes they are. This is just for the extra wild card spot.

You could have somebody going into the playoffs with a record of 1, 2, 3, 7, and 6. This is just for the extra wild card spot. You can have somebody going into the playoffs with a record of one, two, three, seven, and six. You guys sound ridiculous. Last night was an AW for the Chiefs. This is what I am saying, Mike Ryan, and it is where I am willing to side genuinely authentically with Billy Gill and Stu Gatze. If you wish to tell me now

that we are going to completely change sports and wins and losses are not gonna be in the standings anymore but they're gonna be 10 opinions sports fans can give to make the standings what they are which is I don't believe that the Vikings are actually, or I don't believe the Steelers are a two loss team, I believe they're a four loss team and I'm gonna just magically make opinions

that recreate the standings I'm here with Billy and Stu gots for Billy for God. You're wrecking the game You're actually describing the college football playoff I Believe that what you guys are doing is you're just saying I don't want wins and losses I want to be able to say whether that win or loss was deserved whether it was particularly bad I believe incorrectly. That's not what we're saying. We're saying wins and losses are still very much a thing,

but if there's a fringe wild card team at the end of, you know, there at the end, maybe we give a chance to a bad luck loser that should have a better record. So if a wild card team is nine and seven, but they lead the league in bad wins, or 10 and seven, excuse me. And they, right, they lead the league. Ten and seven. Or ten and seven. You gotta do a seven team. It's a ring out.

Right. They lead the league in bad wins. We're saying take the team that went eight and nine, but has a ton of quality losses. That's all we're saying. It seems ridiculous to you. It's different. But this is a conversation that is happening verbatim inside

the college football playoff committee. Dan, it's literally your favorite stat point differential. I think we have to reach a point where we understand that a good loss can be better than a bad win. I think NFL football games should be judged like Olympic gymnastics. With a judge. At the end of the game you've got a panel of three. At the end of the game, somebody holds up a five for the Chiefs overtime win last night. Somebody else holds up a six for Tampa Chiefs overtime win last night.

Somebody else holds up a six for Tampa Bay's narrow loss. A judging system. And beating the spread, by the way. It's not a foreign concept. Have you guys ever heard quality not quantity? That's what we're doing with wins. Quality wins, quality losses, not quantity. Just for the final playoff spot.

Stugats, more muscular. Mm-hmm. I have lost 10 pounds. Have you?. You still got more muscular. Mm-hmm. I have lost 10 pounds. Have you? Yeah, using my Peloton. I've had the Peloton in my house, so my daughter, she wanted me to get a Peloton. Yeah.

I did. She used it a couple of times. Yeah, great endorsement. But once she left to college and the Peloton was just sitting there in my office and it wasn't being used, I said, you know what? I got to use this. And I have lost 10 to 12 pounds, Billy. So I started using Peloton as a bike,

obviously that's like what they're known for. But recently I discovered all of the other classes that they have. They have like a series of weightlifting classes, they have programs, which for me the programs is great because I don't have to think about what I'm doing. If not I just go and I pick a class at random and I don't know that I'm actually accomplishing anything.

I would like some recommendations on classes because I keep going to the same class. Okay. It's the Grateful Dead class by the way. You do like a four week core program with Emma Lovewell. Right. I would recommend that one. Okay. Anyone can do that.

Any level starts out easy and then you work your way up. And then there's like a core program two that you can do after core program one. If you want to do that. Yeah. If you graduate. Wait a second. You have to graduate course one to get to course two, the harder course. Well, you can start a course two if you want,

but I eased my way in. I did course one first. Then you can do some strength classes with Andy. Love a strength class with Andy. He really puts me through it. I get up and I'm like a sweaty mess and I'm kind of disgusting and I love it. You know the thing about Peloton, Stugats?

What? Peloton coaches, they walk the walk. Really? Yeah. Do they talk the talk? They have sub three hour marathon runner coaches. They have military trained athlete coaches, former college basketball player coaches, and so many other well rounded coaches on their team.

All this experience really shows in their classes. You're never short of challenging. You can do some resistance band classes. I got some resistance bands lately. You're my teacher. Am I? Yeah. You know, no, I'm not. Well, I just go with the program so that I don't have to think

because I don't know. I don't actually know what I'm doing. Anyways, what's the like Mr. Olympia, right? Is that what it's called? Yes. The one where you go and you're like lifting like giant boulders. Yeah. Hey, we should talk to Magnus again. That's Mr. Olympia. Yeah. Yes. What did I say? Olympus. Did I? I don't know. Anyways, find your push, find your power with Peloton at OnePeloton.com Find your push, find your power with Peloton at OnePeloton.com. Folks, the NBA is finally back. A new season means new ways to get in on the action at DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA.

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My microphone's on. Stu Gatz. Paint the scene. The paint the scene is I gotta go to work. Good night. This is the Don LeVatar Show with the Stugats. Who had a better weekend? The Dolphins while losing or the Eagles while winning? Okay, I'm not going to do this with you guys where you come in every Tuesday and you continually, this is now two or three straight weeks where you guys come in here and you make some sort of argument as zero championships is better than one championship or it's almost better. What I want to talk about with Greg Cody that happened on mainstream serious

Cowboys are buyers Wow Wow, who told you Adam Schefter did okay Panthers are trading Jonathan Mingo wide receiver to the Cowboys What a small deal great football name the Panthers got rid of them. This is a message though It's gonna affect week 12. Cowboys aren't gonna be selling it is a good football name This is a message though. It's gonna affect week 12. Cowboys aren't gonna be selling. It is a good football name The thing that I wanted to ask Greg Cody Because I was a bit surprised to see this as analysis and I don't know whether you guys observe the same thing or not It's not something I've ever seen said on television in the way that it was said by Dominique Foxworth In his analysis of the Dolphins game,

which yesterday I told you, I believe, Kevin Harland's Uh-Oh should go down in broadcasting history as the greatest call ever made when Tua broke free from the pocket on fourth and four, ran down the middle of the field, and he just uttered fear. Dominique Foxworth said on ESPN television, or was it on the Dominique Foxworth podcast, he said that the Bills were afraid to hit Tua, that they were being gentle with him, that they didn't want to perhaps have happened to them again what happened in a game when they

played previous this season and that they were being gentle and that he found it shocking. Is that your appraisal of what it is that you guys watched on Sunday? Because Dominique is the only one I've ever heard with this opinion. Never mind this opinion this weekend. I've never heard it said before about professional football. I don't think anybody on the Bills team would admit it, but I think he's right. and i think good good for the bills by the way because there are two ways to make a tackle there's a violent way and a less violent way and i think the understanding throughout the nfl as i've said in written is that the next

concussion likely or very possibly will end to his career and i don't think anybody wants that on their head. You're agreeing with Dominique Foxworth's take that the Bills were being gentle with Tua. I, you know, there's degrees of gentle and violent. In the NFL, there's no such thing as a soft, gentle tackle, but there are ways to tackle or to sack that are less violent. How are you speaking on this? I mean, he's true.

He's right, though. You can't put all your weight in this. The NFL is literally trying to legislate a more safe way to tackle. Chris, it would be human nature to not go after Tua after what you've seen from Tua, especially that team, where it happened on a field they were playing on. I'll trust the guy playing.

I just was watching the game, and I never thought, like, ooh, they're taking it easy on him. Well, when he scrambled, they let him just dive. They weren't going after him when he was running. I find it ridiculous, but I never played the game. Dominique does, and he knows what goes through players' minds, so I give him credit there. But last time they played, I did see a famous collision

between Damar Hamlin and Tua, so I don't know. I'm going to take it a step further. The last time the Bills played before this, sent to away for a month, and had us as a football loving community a bit concussed in unison on like, well how am I supposed to feel about this? That this guy is the center, this guy I like is at the center of the field good hope, the offense, he plays well, I like him, he's going to be at the center of all brain scrambling conversations for a month. He triggered that discussion. It happened on a field. You can't

make this shit up. He collided with a person who had been dead in a Bills uniform and they had to cancel a game one night because Damar Hamlin died on the field. and when Tua comes back, he's playing in a way that makes the broadcaster utter through America, echoing from sea to shining sea. Uh-oh, because you're afraid for him. Dominique, not only do I agree with Dominique's appraisal of this that I've never heard before uttered in football, not just because he's a professional football player he's also he's watching and breaking down film the the reason that I agree is because I do understand the

humanity in being on the field when that happened that that bills teams to gods they've had the emotional residue of one of our guys died on the field and we canceled the game. They've got on prime time television, oh my God, we made that quarterback spasm on the field and made America cluck about it in fear, holding rosary beads about the brain damage this sport does for a month. And then he comes back and the broadcaster yells,

uh-oh, and Bill's fans who donate Who donate giant amounts because they understand the violence and they give giant amounts to charity Because they understand the gladiator spectacle. We're watching That to have finds himself in that game With Dominic Foxworth appraisal not just that it was happening he was shocked to see it happening because he comes from the world

where ed read and ray louis are prowling around your locker room and those people are hunters and they do not do kindness winning is the only thing that matters dominic use the word shocking to describe it to hit he was surprised by his own appraisal. This was on his podcast, by the way. Dominique, it's interesting because this is not your normal concussion. We saw Tua react to the concussion in a way physically that we have never seen a player really react to a concussion before. So this is

the first one with the fingers. Well, yeah, and even the second one, even the latest one. Yeah, even the latest one. Yeah, even the latest one. We have seen other concussions like that. Stugats hit. They're not. For the most part, Josh Allen gets hurt. He bangs his head on the ground. He goes into the blue tent. He comes back out and he plays five plays later. We are making the amateur unscientific diagnosis of it does seem like his brain injuries are a little more physically obviously easy to diagnose But when you see what you saw out on the field, I would be hesitant to hit two as well

Because that reaction to me is not the normal reaction to someone getting a concussion Sometimes you don't even know a guy is concussed. I also think it's different with a division rival that you see twice a year I just think there is a difference there. There's more. You're more like, oh, I care about these guys. I see them twice a year. There's more of an intimacy between the two teams. They know each other more. You guys sound crazy right now.

I don't wanna dismiss Dominique, but I think you guys are way off on this. I think Dominique. I think that they were just playing football and he didn't get injured. So now we're saying that they were trying not to, like they were trying to play football. These are human beings.

You don't think there's human nature that says, I'm a defensive player about to tackle to a tongue of aloha I don't want to be the guy who ends this guy's a lot of thinking we're asking this guy to do while trying to Hit him or wasn't doing much of that thinking on Sunday Poir Poir who's played for both of these teams in all of these games continues to To to harm people with his hits. You mentioned division rivalries, REEK 13 Raiders head to Kansas City. Close one last time, I think they blew him out. It's a Friday special, day after Thanksgiving.

Watch out. So are you saying it? Put your name on it. Like go ahead and say it. The Chiefs are going undefeated. Well I have them 13 and 0 thus far. We haven't moved on to week 14. That's against the Chargers.

That's probably a poor game to go. But just get through it. I don't need to get the whole schedule. Just say it. At Browns, that's a win. Then next week versus the Texans, tricky team. Jessica, I promised your thoughts on- It could be a QL.

Indiana, because one of the things that I wanted to get to that we didn't get to- Oh, thank God. You know when you have to pee real bad? My goodness. I've been trying because it's his, you know, Tua, it's a sensitive topic. Yeah.

But Dak Prescott's been put on the IR. He might be off of it by now. Yeah. I've been waiting so long. So wait a minute, you just said the cowboys were fired. You let Joe Rose scoop us on this. Yeah. I will never forgive you, Chris.

We had this 15 minutes ago. Oh my god. But I thought they count. I was getting antsy. Right. Uncomfortable for me physically. I thought they're open for business. I mean. You said the Cowboys were fire. They got Cooper Rush a weapon. Alright. I'm good now. How much more breaking news are you guys expecting?

I'll let you know when it comes in but I had to sit on that massive scoop for a while. I was very depressed this morning. I heard Adam Schefter on the ESPN Radio Morning Show saying he does not expect anything big to happen today. Setting expectations low. This is from Rusini. What I'm hearing about NFL trade deadline, 13 players, 18 teams to watch closely. And we haven't even talked about the committee tonight.

Who's gonna surprise us tonight in the top 12? Are we gonna be able to argue and yell about anything or is Miami gonna be ranked? I think we're gonna be arguing and yelling quite a bit tonight. Jess, I have a question about the committee. Are they gonna be projecting, because a lot of people, like on three,

puts out every week the playoff bracket prediction. Is the committee just gonna rank these one through 12? Are they gonna take into account where they think they would rank the the conference champions? I actually was wondering the same thing. I know they're doing a ranking tonight so I think that you would then put that into the bracket based off what we know about how the bracket will look. I don't think they're making a bracket to like reverse engineer a ranking out of. Right but it's like the big 12 leader gonna be four. Well it depends of where they rank but it's like the big 12 leader gonna be four. Well it

depends of where they rank the big 12 like the highest ranked big 12 team. Like right now for example like Boise State in the AP poll is only a couple spots behind BYU. I think BYU is nine and Boise State's 12. So if the committee likes Boise State more than BYU they'd be the projected higher ranked team. Wow. Conference champions. That would send shockwaves through the game. Shockwaves? It could, it'll be interesting. BYU does have a pretty solid win for us at BYU.

Well is it interesting or shockwaves? Well I don't think there's, it's the first ranking. I think there's a whole month of football left. It is exciting though because it's the first time they've done the ranking in the new college football playoff system. So this is how we're gonna be able to figure out what they're thinking for the subsequent weeks

when there are more upsets. How they're gonna do it. I'm gonna surprise you right now, but I saw a tweet yesterday that suggested BYU should easily be ranked over Miami because of who they beat and I got so mad and then I looked it up and I was like, he's right. Yeah, that sucks when that happens.

Damn it, you're right. SMU's a good win. Jessica this is what I want to ask you though because everyone is all in on man this has been a fun first half of the season and yes I'd prefer 12 teams and give me more football more football more football but seven of the top 25 lost this weekend and the impact of that is what because if at any other point during college football seven of the top 25 lost this weekend and the impact of that is what because if at any other point during college football seven of a top 25 had lost before now it would have ended a whole bunch of seasons and that's not what happened this time so the impact of this weekend is going to be what Texas A&M is the big impact Clemson is the big impact I mean they all matter to an extent but I think that like there's a there's a whole month of football left so yeah like you're

right there are going to be teams that make the playoff who lost big games or embarrassing games in the case of Notre Dame if they end up making the playoff but when you expand the playoff field and you have a lot of conferences like the ACC in the Big 12 where there's not one standout obviously with the exception of like Miami and BYU are both undefeated but haven't played a really tough ranked matchup yet. Then yeah, you're going to have some weird teams make it, but again, like the LSU and Alabama play this weekend. So it'll be interesting to see where they ranked them both, but one of those teams is going to lose and then they're going to be probably out of it because it'll be their third loss of the season.

I'm gonna use that game as an example. And I think Sugats has come around on this, so it's unfair, but I'm gonna hold this up because over the last few years, we've seen game of the century type of matchups with LSU and Alabama. And those ultimately didn't matter because there was always a rematch

later on in the postseason. And meanwhile, a whole bunch of people told me, you have to protect the sanctity of the college football season because games like that shouldn't matter when that game hasn't actually mattered with consequence until the postseason despite them routinely playing in the regular season. Now it matters. Now it matters you have a college football playoff eliminator game whoever loses that game is out of the discussion. I have come around. The problem is James Franklin doing what James Franklin does doesn't matter anymore. Blue chip.

Like he lost to Ohio State, he's still going to make it to the playoffs. Okay, but he's got to do two things in the playoffs. But your overall point is right. Like this weekend you have another game, Georgia and Ole Miss. That's a playoff game for Ole Miss. Not for Georgia, but for Ole Miss. But also the schedule is worked out for Penn State. There are going to be other years where their schedule in that conference is going to be tougher, and James Franklin isn't going to be able

to keep getting away with this. Wouldn't you say that 2022 LSU Alabama was a playoff eliminator? It was Alabama's second loss of the season. They were out of the playoff. But didn't they get back in? In 2022? Did they?

No, I think Jessica's got this right. But the overarching point is, as Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, and Ohio State have fought to rule this sport over the last five years. And Michigan. Well, Michigan snuck in there, Stu Kass, but Michigan didn't beat Ohio State. Like Michigan snuck in there last year,

but Michigan was not the power. You were firing abaugh many times over during the five year period I'm talking about, where you just had a handful of teams ruling the sport. And we have like, we can forget, oh, was that the nine six game that was played late in the season between LSU and Alabama

that I thought was gonna be an offensive game? There were like six giant SEC games over the last five years. And they blend together. But Jess is right about that one in 2022. It did end up being a CFP eliminator with a smaller CFP. So Mike, I agree with you. There are more games that have more consequences and that's a good thing. My fear is whoever wins that LSU game, are they going to do anything if they make the playoff? Like is LSU good enough to make a run? I have no idea. But that's why they play the games. And I think in this season, a more wide open season

than most, you can't just discount the team because they're in that opening round. You give them the opportunity to make some noise. Your argument is the same argument that was being made in 2021 about Cincinnati. Like, are they really gonna beat Georgia or Michigan in the playoff? No, they deserve to be in because they had a, you know,

undefeated season and beat a top 10 Notre Dame team. Yeah, that's the same. If it's four teams, six teams, 12 teams, there's going to be teams that make the playoff that don't have maybe a real shot. They're going to be 10, 14 point underdogs in the first round. But when you expand the playoff and the sport is as wide open as it is in terms of there's tons of talent, there's some really, really, really good teams, there's some really, really, really good teams, there's some really good teams, there's some just good teams, there's some great teams.

That just sort of is how it works. People like to cherry pick whenever those group of five teams get in and get blown out and you hold up outliers, but TCU was an outlier. They were not, that was a huge upset in the college football playoff, and it's a testament to why you give those teams a chance and they were coming from an even bigger conference so I I'm pro more great games I think this college football season is really stuck

out you look at the slate every week you got at least three games and you can get really excited about and talk yourself into having real consequence and it's only going to get better we're not even even though in games were past the midpoint of the season the see the college football season goes to January 20th. We're not even halfway done with this emotional experience. I would say even a game like Iowa State at Kansas, like that's a big game. Iowa State has one loss.

If they lose again, they're out of the playoffs. That is not a big game. That will never be a big game. I will not live long enough to have that be a big game. Please back away from the microphone. Indiana is playing playoff games every single week. They lose once in their outs. Let me explain to you what it is.

They played Michigan this week. Stugat, all of the rules are changing in the way that we are consuming all of this stuff and the explosion of minor league professional football into, yes, they're making some Saturdays feel like Sundays. I think most people listening to this would tell you they don't need a committee. I think the general appraisal is yeah give me a playoff with 12 teams and make six of them SEC teams. Make and throw LSU in there because I know they got a bunch of athletes even though I don't know if LSU is

actually any good. People are just going to look at the SEC and say, yep, those six, no Oklahoma this year, but give me those six, throw Texas in there because that's the reputation the SEC has earned for a long time now, but this is a new landscape where Northern Illinois goes into Notre Dame and some of these mid-tier teams can win on any of the Saturdays because it's not what your college football used to be. There were 20 teams that could win on any Saturday against another one of these teams. Any given Saturday. It's like a James Madison or something can go into North Carolina and all of a sudden you got 50 points at the half. Another new landscape Christmas Day games for the NFL. Chiefs it's Steelers. Oh it's bullshit because the Steelers have three games in 10 days. Chiefs, Ravens, and

I forget the third game. I think maybe the Bengals. It's three good teams in the span of like 10 days. Scales tipping towards Chiefs, you're saying? It's ridiculous. Oh, 100%, Billy. 16-0. Dan, I think Vandy's a better example of what you're saying than Northern Illinois, because they're able to get a quarterback, an offensive coordinator, and an assistant, and a handful of other players to transfer in, and then all of a sudden,

they're now going bowling. They beat Auburn at Auburn for the first time in school history. Vanderbilt's never won at Auburn before. Vanderbilt hasn't been Alabama and Auburn in the same season since 1955, and it's all because they're able to use the portal to get talent that helps them have a schematic advantage

against a lot of the teams in their conference. It's weird to me because Vanderbilt to me this year is what Missouri was last year where I'm like how did that happen? Where I'm like that doesn't happen in the SEC where one of these teams from down here can all of a sudden win the NIL and wait a minute, oh Missouri's a 10 win team. Oh Vanderbilt, if you made me right now pick 12 teams to play and you told me Vanderbilt had to be the 12th, I'd be like, yeah, probably. Go ahead and do it that way.

Let's do that, actually. Yeah, let's do the 12th. Dan's 12th right now. Let's do that. Let's do that. It's not the same conference. Let's just do the SEC plays against each other. Because you don't believe in Penn State.

Let's just do the SEC plays against each other. Oh, I don believe in Penn State. Let's just do the SEC plays against each other. Oh I don't want Penn State, I want LSU. Get out of here, give me Ole Miss. You just questioned LSU. 30 seconds ago. LSU lost to USC, USC just benched their quarterback. That was before. They can't keep getting away with this.

How does James Franklin and LSU keep doing this? They have some quality losses. LSU is ranked ahead of Texas A&M, they have one fewer win and they lost to Texas A&M. I don't know, if Penn State wins out the rest of their season, they deserve to be in the playoff. They will win out.

Okay, well why are you frustrated with that? Then they'll get to the playoff and maybe they'll get beat and you get to say, there you go, James Franklin, you're only the eighth best team in the nation. I'm frustrated about it because James Franklin could never get to the playoff when the playoff was 14.

So we expanded it and now he's being rewarded for being a lousy coach, but he's not gonna end up winning at the end of the day He's not lousy and terrible To subject ourselves to Penn State in the playoffs also I mean Billy like on a personal level I agree with you But like I I think that Stugats like you could say that about a lot of the coaches that are gonna end up in the playoff this year.

How many coaches in college football have won a national championship that are current head coaches? I don't know. Kirby, Dabo, and MacBrown, that's it. That's it, it's a small list. I just want Georgia, Alabama. Okay, that's the...

You got it. You might get it. There's gonna be a three loss this year I want to see it again wait Cody want to see that but you don't want to see James Franklin Cody snuck in with you guys you guys didn't hear Greg Cody Greg Cody tried to sneak in with a take that none of you had there is going to be a three lost team in the college football playoff. Yeah, everybody knows that. Yes, there will be. Absolutely. They'll sneak in at number 12 and they'll be the proverbial team you don't want to face in the first round.

I love the college football playoff. I love the expansion. And I said this when they expanded from four to 12, the arguing doesn't stop because now the team 13th is going to be, whoa, outrage, injustice. Colorado. Is that what they're going to say? Deion Sanders is going to be bickering to be the 12th team. Outrage. the team 13th is gonna be whoa outrage injustice Colorado that was a good guy on sand is gonna be bickering to be the 12th team but we knew that the outrage wouldn't match how do you leave Baylor and TCU out I think there's an

outrage at 12 and 13 is gonna be eight and nine because the difference between hosting and not hosting a game is gonna be probably like, who's loss to a seven win team was worse or whatever. It's gonna be something, it's gonna come down to something really stupid. That's when we start parts and that's when we start applying this logic. Who has more A.W.s. Exactly, I mean this is literally

what the committee argues. So Dan, who are your 12? Yeah, we didn't get those yet. I am with Cody and Stugat and Billy on the idea that the standings should no longer have wins and losses. It should just be. Well, that's what we're gonna.

The three last teams gonna get in because of quality losses. Keep laughing at this stat. It's a real thing. Also, they literally did last season based on vibes. They were like, Florida State should be in, but the vibes around Alabama are just so much better we're gonna put Alabama in so they've done it both ways it's a good six Greg why did you just put up a

judges six that's the rating scale we talked about yes so who got a six a six is Tampa's good loss edging out Kansas City's bad so we're back in the end of second I think it's important for all of us to know the scale before we take this edging out Kansas City's bad man. So we're back in the end of time. Hold on a second. I think it's important for all of us to know the scale before we take this any further. Is this a scale out of 10 or is this like Olympic scales where it's like a 6.12? Like what are the numbers here?

I like to round it off number. Okay, out of 10 or six the best? No, six is a good losing number. Let's make it an eight scale. Slightly above average. Yeah. One to eight. I like 10.

Billy, please stop. Billy, I don't don't need he's trying to get things in order I'm trying to help. He's not what do you mean? No, he's not trying to help there is confusion as to what that six represented Okay, good point. I don't know if you flip it over. It's a nine That is true. No Underlined He got your ass The six, to let you know it's a six. He got your ass. He did.

Boom. He was onto your shenanigans. He did, he put a line under it so there would be no confusion. This plan is foolproof. You know, I've got the fool for you. And the proof that I have that Cody and Billy and Stugats are only interested in malfeasance

is you guys are absolutely advocating for the standings to be just what you guys think was a good win or wasn't a good win. That's different than the committee average. It's Billy and Greg and Stu Gotts get together and decide who's good and who's not good. Damn right. One of my best friends in high school was named Mal Fiesence. Really? That's not true. No, at that time we didn't even know enough to make fun of him. He was a man.

I would have thought Mallory Thiesens. That's my uncle. How is Mal? How is Mal? What's Mal up to? I lost touch with him. I don't know. Mal Short for something?

Mallard. Malcolm? You don't know the name Mal? Mal? No, I've never. Put it on the panel, Mal Gibson. Are we still making Mal's? Malvin. What is Mal Short for? I don't know, I'm not named Mal. Why did you make that? Are we still making mouths Melvin what is mal what is now what is mal short?

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