The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: The Milt Plum Show

Episode Date: January 9, 2025

Brock Bowers. Pretty good, huh? You know who else is pretty good? Cam Ward. You know who Greg Cote thinks was even better? Legendary Penn State quarterback, 89-year-old Milt Plum. The show devolves into researching the iconic career and legacy left behind by Milt which included one of the most ridiculous individual performances you will ever hear about. After regaling Greg with stories of his guy Milt, Dan and Amin move the show to a discussion about the development and evaluation of quarterbacks, and how we continue to get things so wrong. Plus, there was a controversy about this year's Most Valuable Lobo, and Greg Cote has all the details about the epic race. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You're listening to DraftKings Network. Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries

that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face and the habitual liar. This episode of the Dan LeBattard show with Stu Gatz is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours.

I did want to talk some football because this week has not had very much football in it and we are now ramping up to some of the fun stuff in both crescendos. The minor leagues of football and the major

leagues of football. the major leagues of football after a season of everyone Macheteing each other so that you get just an assortment of more games than you've ever had and more injuries one of the statistics I saw the other day was that now that Bowers is the best Tight end receiver or receiver of any kind for receptions as a rookie he is in a class with puka naku and jalen wattle and just an assortment of and neighbors of just rookies in the modern age where all there is an unguardable thing if i put system with quarterback and make timing it doesn't matter if you even have patrick certain that thing is going to get a hundred catches

because we are matter if you even have Patrick Sertan. That thing is going to get a hundred catches because we are, because systems and athletes have combined so that the power forward is so that when I'm watching Arizona and McBride, I'm like that can't be guarded by anybody. Like if he runs out there and turns around, he's much bigger than Jason Witten and Jason Witten can get out there in a suit right now and get you six yards on a catch. Yeah and it's not often that you can identify that in college. You could with Brock Bowers. You knew like the last couple years that he was playing. This guy's ready for the NFL right now and he'd be pretty damn good. Same thing with the true freshman in Ohio, St. Jeremiah Smith. You plug that

guy into the the NFL right now he's a team's number one. Well the thing I wanted to ask you guys okay because I find this part fascinating and Lucy I want to ask for your expertise here as somebody who's been watching everybody in college football on the field and on television, okay? It is so rare for me. One of the reasons I'm arriving at the viewpoint that Cam Ward is a professional quarterback better than I thought he was and better than anyone thought he was because he wasn't gonna be one of the first to take it

until we just all saw that season it is so rare for me to say while watching a college quarterback who we dropped back and but but but and that's as well as a ball can be thrown where does he get the audacity of knowing it happens five or six times a game with him? And I don't see it with other quarterbacks and I think quarterback analysis really stinks.

Like it stinks because of all the things that go into either derailing Baker Mayfield or Bryce Young before you even get a chance to understand how the finances wrecked everything there or the offensive line did because cj stroud hasn't regressed no one can play quarterback the pressures common from center guard except tom brady history of the sport no one can do it in even tom brady can't do

it that well because there's so many things that go into that position lucy tell me how many times you're watching a college football game this season and you're watching the quarterback is i didn't do this for should or i did not do this for sure door sanders where does he get the audacity to make that throw six and seven times as if he's unbothered i saw someone describe it is like cam ward is

probably five percent too confident in Cam Ward. And if you just knock it down 5% it'd be perfect. But he played very different than anyone else this season where you're out on watching Miami football and you're knowing that he will win whatever game he steps out and plays for them. And I will say this year is a little different because it's not a particularly kind of stacked quarterback class, which is something we sort of knew coming into this season.

Quinn Ubers was hurt this season a little bit disappointing. Carson Beck had a down year. Like there wasn't as much competition to sort of compare him with, but he had like an insanely good season and he played with a confidence we haven't really seen in a college quarterback since I don't know, maybe Joe Burrow and just the swag that he had. Dan part of this also is like the greatness of greatness. Right? True greatness wants to know the limits of its greatness.

I remember there was a playoff game where Steve Nash threw like two behind the back passes with his left hand. One of them was in between someone's legs. It's in the fourth quarter of a playoff game. And I was asking someone, like why would he do that? Why would he even risk that?

Cause like sometimes you just gotta know, can I do that? Am I good enough to do that? And so, you know, what, what, what Lucy said in terms of 5% more confident than he probably should be, that's the kind of the hallmark of greatness is that I want to know where my limit is. Like he could play within his limit,

but he said, what if my limit is a little further and in that is that exploration of something in the beyond. The reason that I'm bringing all of this up and it's the it really is the only reason I'm bringing it all up okay. We obsess with this sport. It's fascinating to us. The most important and valuable position in the sport can be a bit of a mystery. Six or seven guys can play it well enough that all of us are like, oh my god, and we miss all the time. The best ever Tom Brady six round pick. Nobody saw it. The two quarterbacks we're going to be arguing about in these playoffs in the NFL, is he good enough?

Can he win the big one is in the mvp are two quarterbacks a more jackson and josh allen that uh... nobody saw whatever it is that they needed to see from those two people in college that i just saw from cam ward like that's for sure a professional at that position the audacity the way that he's playing the arm strength all of it how can we keep getting this this wrong cam ward was available to everybody and the moment that i saw him play on like that's as well as that can be done

in college for a minute he just kept doing it every week and it didn't matter who his skill guys were it really didn't end up mattering lecture door sanders had another top five pick as his wide receiver so i'm watching a quarterback and when i come by the opinion this is the best i've ever seen at the university of miami that's clearly a pro that those are all throws that if someone harnesses what all that is that's gone from fifth round pick available to anybody to write to the top

of the draft and possibly the number one overall pick i really like chador though like i'd not that you come across diminishing Shador, I think you do by comparison, because I would really like to see Shador behind a good offensive line. I understand he had a couple of great weapons on his offense in terms of talent, more weapons at his disposal than Cam Ward did,

but he certainly did not have Cam Ward's line. And I think through the evaluation process too, there's plenty of things like what you guys said, like 5% too confident. That is absolutely the case with Cam Ward. He makes some weird mistakes. Wouldn't you rather that, that 5% not confident enough? Yeah, but Shador does the same thing.

Shador tries to see where his limits are too. Shador makes some of the best throws that I've seen in the college game. Those two guys are really good options. I think Shador's gonna end up being the number one pick. Not even talking about like franchise, it's just because through the eval process, K-Mor does have tiny hands. Lucy though, the thing that I wanted to ask you about this, because whenever it is that football made the evolutions of someone's discovered the back shoulder

throw, like what that is, whenever that got invented, I don't know if you guys have a time frame for when you saw the first time the back shoulder throw of Guy is covered, oh, that can't be covered if you do it that way. That was done on purpose. Like I remember Brett Favre doing back shoulder throws. Like sometimes we don't know

where they're actually trying to put it though. The thing though about college quarterbacking, right? That to me has made it so that Cam Ward and Shador Sanders were playing to the eye, right? I've admitted to you a number of different times, I'm not good at quarterback evaluation. I don't know how to see if the end is near for Tom Brady. I didn't think Josh Allen was any good.

But when I'm watching Cam Ward and Shador Sanders, I'm watching the field and I don't need to be Mike Tannenbaum or anybody else to know. Those are the only two quarterbacks in that sport who are making all of the professional throws. Not just the back shoulders and oversimplification, but there is no third quarterback I saw this season that I would draft high because I saw anything

that looked like the top end of professional football. Did you? No, not one. I'm an Iowa football fan. I'm not used to watching good quarterbacks ever. I think something that I, like as a sports fan, always kind of sit and just like think about is that there are 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL.

And this is such a tough job in such a difficult position that there are not 32 people in the world who are like excellent at something, which is crazy. And then you go look at the, at the college ranks where overall like college quarterbacks aren't that good. Like this is the highest level that a lot of these players are going to like play at. It's just sort of one of those things,

which is kind of why I like college football is because I'm like, this is yucky and it's gross and it's funny. But like when it comes to quarterback evaluation, I don't think anybody except for maybe the Packers are good at that. And it's really difficult too, it comes to quarterback evaluation, I don't think anybody, except for maybe the Packers, are good at that. And it's really difficult too, because I fall into the trap. The Canes have reportedly been shopping for a quarterback

in a transfer portal, so I'm watching tape on all these guys, and I fall in love with every single one of them, because they make insane throws. I've seen it a couple times this year. Nussmeier from LSU, you'll want to tear your hair out half the game, and you'll swear this guy's gonna be an NFL bus, and then you pull off like three throws in a

game you're like where the hell did that come from Jalen Daniels in Kansas also capable of blowing you away with certain throws I'm gonna say something I'm gonna be vulnerable for a second you know I believe the Cade McNamara was gonna be a really good quarterback for Iowa and that was tough and that ended up being really wrong. The guy Iowa got now is gonna be super good. He's gonna be awesome. But it's one of those things where like,

especially when you're in the transfer portal and the market is so different than it is right now, like you're convinced every single guy is gonna be the savior for your program. And like, overall college quarterbacks, there's nothing good. We've all got one. Let's all go around the room.

I thought Chad Henney was gonna be great in the answer for the Dolphins. Roy? Penitent. I love Brady Quinn. I thought KJ Jefferson was gonna save my college football program. David Carr had the best Fresno State season I've ever seen. Wow.

He took Pat Hill to the mountaintop. Mike Norvell thought DJ Weungalai was gonna save his program. You didn't do that vulnerably. I already did mine. I said Cade McNamara. That's even more embarrassing. We need more.

The thing about this to me that is the most interesting, because how can it not be what Lucy is saying about, so give me all the other things that have the degree of difficulty if we all look at it and say there are seven, eight people doing this really well while it's a position everyone wants, everyone is fighting over, everyone who's playing football starts with the idea of I'd like to be that person and at the end of the food chain you get to seven or eight of them and someone's gonna sign Aaron Rodgers because once you get into the 15s everyone's interchangeable and you just don't want interceptions so uh... give me all the other jobs when if if

if i say to all of you basketball and football's economies are something that uh... it's not just the inner cities fighting for money in basketball it's the globe fighting for money com because comp competitive people fighting for money in american sports the most valuable position in every way the what everybody wants to be joe burrow everybody wants to be

in sports the star of everything how is it that i can't find for you just about anything else not astronaut not anything else that's going to have the degree of difficulty of if I make everyone compete for it, I'm still gonna only have like eight or nine great ones. Oh, I would argue that NBA head coach is in that bucket. There aren't 30 great NBA head coaches. And despite how many people,

you think about how many people are playing quarterback, but it's kinda like there are physical things that you need to be quarterback at some level, obviously as a kid, whatever, but once you get to teenager, you gotta have certain physical attributes to play quarterback. So it kind of like eliminates the population,

a good deal of the population. You talk about head coaching, basketball, I mean, theoretically, it's like, hey, if you're reasonably smart enough and have a good enough feel for basketball you should be able to do it and yet there aren't 30 great ones in the world. Everyone says though quarterback is the hardest position to play in sports. I don't think people look at coaching that way though they probably should because that's

a lot of things that a coach has to be good at and we can do it for the NFL as well. As I'm watching clock management I'm like, oh my god, there aren't eight good ones of any of this in the entire sport because they also have to be good at math. It's not all the other shit of how do you get this play in in 24 seconds and what's the personnel group and whatever it is that we don't even understand what's happening in those headsets all game. And the interpersonal relationships because you could be great at all that stuff and just be shitty at dealing with human beings and Lose the lose the plot that way and not as in demand as a quarterback or a head coach But probably more rare is the number one

Running back with no spell that has been doing it as long and as effective as Derek Henry That's even more rare than the franchise quarterback, because he is such an outlier. I thought he was going to be getting old the second he entered the league. I was waiting for all those carries to catch up with him, and they still haven't. He still has blazing straight line speed. In the modern day, maybe a starting pitcher

that can go more than five innings, because those types of aces, like real aces that can carry your staff and affect things that way, don't really exist anymore. Do they not exist or has the strategy gone away from that? No, they can't do it. It's both. They get hurt. It's both.

No, they don't exist. They're worried about the arms. No, they ruin the arms by doing it. Like that's a separate conversation, but these guys simply cannot be effective that third or fourth time through the order, the way that starting pitchers of the old days used to be able to. Nobody pitches 200 innings anymore. Right. I mean it's crazy. No it's and it's wild to see the

longevity like Justin Verlander is a perfect example a guy who's done that over and over and overcome injuries and now he's gonna be making he's getting paid a lot to go to San Francisco and he's gonna try to make 10 or more starts at age 42 or older that's there's 12 guys ever go to San Francisco and he's going to try to make 10 or more starts at age 42 or older. There's 12 guys ever who have done that. So it's a rarity. This is a message from sponsor Intuit Turbo Tax. Guys, taxes was waiting and wondering and worrying if you're going to get any money

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Don LeBattard. You don't remember the idea for a home run call? I was probably like, that kind of thing. Something? Okay, no. The home run call was that kind of probably like that kind of thing Something okay. No the home run call was that kind of swing that kind of thing Stugats oh It's a good call. Thank you And plus it doesn't matter who's hitting it like you're not tailing her to a particular name You know all that jazz you know you don't gonna do that

jazz you know you don't gotta do that you know that would be a great call. That kind of swing, that kind of thing. This is the Don Lebatar show with the Stugats. With quarterbacking it always amazes me how we're afraid to admit what an inexact science the analysis of that position is. And the evidence is from where Tom Brady was drafted to Cam Ward. Anybody remember Todd Marinovich? He was supposed to be the next great thing.

And he didn't even make it at all. And so it's milk plum, if I'm gonna throw in an old thing. Please stop. We got the point. you don't have to, you don't have to, milk, milk plum. Marenovich was good enough. We got it, we got it. That's not a real name.

Milk plum was supposed to be the next great quarterback. Lucy, do me a favor, a new segment all of a sudden, because Marenovich was planning, I don't know what. Milk plum. Milk plum was born in 1935. Damn right. He's 89 years old. You know what, hold on, You know what, let's stop.

Get him on the phone. He was invented before the phone. Let me, for just a second, stop everything we're doing. During the break, okay, Amin Elhassen, because we cannot help ourselves around some of these sports conversations, from the beyond, he shouted at me that my Cam Ward take that he's the best quarterback in University of Miami history and that I can make an argument on behalf of him

being the most prolific single season any of us have ever seen at the University of Miami. Amin said to me Rick Barry would like a word and I'm like you know what I did I got that wrong Rick Barry would like a word. And I'm like, you know what? I did, I got that wrong. Rick Berry would like a word. But if it happened in the 1950s in sports, did it really happen? Put it on the poll please, Juju, at Levitard Show. If it happened in the 1950s in sports,

did it really happen? Because, Milk Plum is not something you should have done and I now want information on milk plum to see if he was as good in the nineteen thirties as you remember him he was more reason than that i think he played in the sixties as did Rick Barron in the thirties he played from 57 to 69 milk plum. He had a long career but it was not the the height of the NFL What was it supposed to be he had a good 12 year career at the position? Good is a relative word isn't it at 21 touchdowns one year and only five interceptions that year. I'm sorry I'm sorry. I did this to all of you. I'm sorry. Yeah It's also Pat Burrell in 1996. He had more interceptions than touchdowns

for his career. Hello, there you go. That doesn't help your argument. So did Joe Namath. So did Joe Namath, that's right. Pat Burrell hit 484 in 1996. I think it's the best in NCAA history. Do you guys not find it amazing what it is that I am talking about?

That we, every time, not Pat Burrell, Pat the Bat. find it amazing what it is that I am talking about. Every time, not Pat Burrell, Pat the Bat, I am driving around and whenever I'm driving around, on some station somewhere, Charlie Weiss or Rich Gannon or somebody's talking about football, no matter what time of day it is, on satellite radio, the economy around football and people who analyze football is more fertile than any other sports economy I think maybe

that's the same thing in sports and in soccer overseas we analyze the holy hell out of this sport because there cannot be enough content about this sport you cannot put enough football on your television during the day dwarfing all other sports how was it possible that we're sitting here talking after all of this analysis about how professional football coaches professional basketball coaches and professional quarterbacks can't possibly do the job well because it

can't be done well by anybody and everyone analyzing it doesn't know how it's done well by anybody and everyone analyzing it doesn't know how it's done well explain it to me because we're covering the holy hell out of all of this and the teams are in the playoffs of the ones who have the healthy quarterbacks we do a lot of things with salary cap all the games are even but what happens at the end all it's a stunner that joe burrows not the playoff because he's one of the good ones we know it and all of those make the playoffs but we didn't always know it look at some of the quarterbacks who had great

seasons they were written off five years ago jared gulf sam darnold baker mayfield you know we we write off quarterbacks too quickly five years later there at the top of their game better statistical seasons then then patrick what what's the point of all the analysis if at the end it's just going to be the best teams are going to be the eight or nine of the ten quarterbacks that's not the analysis though the analysis is or

the teams have put together a complete thing so it's like how many these quarterbacks are bad because they had terrible offensive lines how many scorebacks are bad because they didn't have a good receiving court how many quarterbacks are bad because the the't have a good receiving corps? How many of the quarterbacks were bad because the coach was not good enough? So like, we keep trying to boil it down to, oh, it's this one thing, he's the reason why they won. But in the words of Jerry Krause, organizations win championships. Well, but you say this, okay, yes, organizations might win championships, but I do wonder as we spend all these times analyzing these things that we see

getting emotional about it and and separating the winners and the losers from whatever it is their flaws in character traits are these are soft they're not tough enough however it is that uh... you know winning is measured the thing that i think it's underestimated by all of the people talking about in covering sports except the people who are in the fire of it, is how hard it is to have all of the things in place that allow you to be something or someone who consistently wins when younger, cheaper people are always coming for your jobs. Like where smarter people, the coaches are getting smarter, where can I make...

Football has been crazy. Like when you've seen what's happened in sports where basketball goes toward the three-point line or the second baseman in baseball is pulling math out of his back pocket because he's got to be behind second base instead of on second base, what football is doing with the machinery of cost efficiency is making it so that the great quarterback Lamar Jackson that can make you great for seven years makes it so that your Organization can't destroy him as long as he doesn't get hurt as long as he doesn't get hurt He can cover every leadership mistake not that you're not that John Harbaugh is making a lot of leadership mistakes

But when you say that the Ravens organizations win, yeah But if Lamar Jackson gets hurt, they will immediately stop winning. Of course, because it's not to say that he isn't an important or pivotal part of it. It's to say that he isn't the only part of it. And the success and failure is not solely hinged on him and his performance. There are other parts that play a role in this. By the way, not to drag the show back to the milk plum world but i just discovered a fascinating stat on milk plum in a college game in nineteen fifty five against syracuse milk plum through a touchdown pass intercepted a pass scored the game tying

touchdown and then kicks extra point to win the game an underachiever according to greg cody brought his name up to point out that he never achieved anything compared to what he was supposed to achieve. It's because of college exploits like that that people thought he was gonna be the next big superstar in the NFL, which he never became. I kinda see it now.

If you saw, there was a prospect. We, we, ourselves watching Travis Hunter play, oh, he plays offense and defense. This dude threw a touchdown pass. I don't think anybody. Inaccepted the pass, you did, you did i thought i don't think any themselves not a lot haha

scored the game tied touchdown which again that doesn't mean to the best he scored the touchdown himself then kick the extra point how would he not be the absolute apex college football predator. Mike, who was the quarterback's coach? Zagacki. He's right. How?

It's a rhetorical question, granted, but you're right. Zagacki? Mike, who was the quarterback coach for our beloved Plum? Milk Plum's quarterback coach was Joe Paterno. Oh, no. Oh my God. And you say coaching. beloved plum Milk plums quarterback coach was Joe Paterno And you say coaching so you went Todd Marinovich right it was obvious what you were saying It's an old enough reverence like it's from 40 years ago. Yeah, and then you decide to know I can do older than that Yeah Milk plum came to mind

You know, I know but but you'd already done, you'd already done Marinovich. Marinovich is, it's the gold standard of, look, if you don't know the Marinovich story, his father created a quarterback from the crib. His father realized everything we're talking about. There are only eight of these in the world. If I make the ninth one, we can all get rich. He was Richard Williams before Richard Williams. He was, Tiger Woods' dad was his name before his time.

Earl Woods. Earl Woods. But he was those things without actually getting, why did you say that that way? Why did you say that from on high, far away from the microphone? Earl Woods. Again, it was already said.

Earl Woods is a funny name, I'm sorry. Am I right, Roy? Put it on the poll at LeBoutard Show, is Earl is a funny name, I'm sorry. Am I right, Roy? Put it on the poll at LeBretard Show. Is Earl Woods a funny name? I would urge everyone listening to this, okay? If you wanna see documentaries well made, the Tiger Woods documentary without Tiger Woods,

didn't need Tiger Woods, on HBO Max, done by Armin Kiteyan and others is excellent. And one of the heartbreaking facts in there that is amazing is that Earl Woods, whose name Greg Cody thinks is funny, got his wife so angry with his infidelities that then indeed plagued his son the same way, that Earl Woods, great father to the great prodigy,

Tiger Woods, is buried somewhere in an unmarked, unnamed grave because of the amount of spite that Tiger Woods' mother has for how her husband behaved in public in a way that embarrassed and disgraced their family. Or the amount of infidelity. That's correct. Like what if that's what it was, right? Just the sheer number.

I mean, that's, I said earlier this week we're talking about the jimmy butler thing okay cuz i i always find this interesting that the number one reason for divorces in this country is money everything happening with tariko would you be a lot of money the number one reason for love turning to hate because my god it was a good run with jimmy butler like it really was that's wildly successful and it's really great and really fun and five years of magic successful relationship the way to go from love to hate number one way get divorced find what happens in the separation what are you doing I just

received even more late breaking news about Milk Plum. Okay, so in the NFL draft that year, he got drafted by the Browns in the second round. I thought you were gonna say by the military. Their first round pick, Milk Plum goes second round to the Browns. Their first round pick was this guy named Jim Brown. What a draft.

And then in 1960. How many Zagakos did you get for that one? Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, watch this. Watch this build. In 1960, he set a record for the passer rating that was not broken until Joe Montana in 1989. Ladies and gentlemen, Grant Cody made a good point.

Milk Plum is an excellent example. First gruntled and now this. Good job, Greg. This is his flu game, Dan. You all thought I was Plum crazy. I wasn't. I did that room laugh that hard at that. That was not funny.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Major penalty, five minutes, rooming comedy. Oh Major penalty five minutes rooting comedy So when I tell you I have known the character that Greg Cody does out of the side of his mouth for 50 years

That is condescending and sarcastic another thing that I have known if we're gonna do old references. Honest to God, it's a conversation that I've had with Greg Cody. I'm gonna say for 35 years, he has described himself as the Caesar Tovar of comedy. Yeah. Please find the baseball player Caesar Tovar. He did not take walks, he did not get on base, he did not get hit by pitch.

Cesar Tovar took hacks. But he also batted 180. And I think for his career, I think he was a terrible, I think he was a pretty terrible hitter. But I'm annoyed by these conversations with Greg Cody when he makes the joke that he just did and I say, really, what are you doing there? And he says, infield single.

He claims that those are hits, that what he just did, you're plum crazy, no you're not. He's claiming that that is an on base, that that joke Is worthy of success and gets to first base. He tried to stretch an infield single into a double No, he he but he's no he didn't get on base that it's not it's fielders choice They that's what they got on base Infield pop-up it's We've been doing this for 35 years.

I'll say pop-up. But he always makes what I say are outs hit. So he's got to be in Barry Bonds. He thinks he is Barry Bonds of making jokes. He does. He doesn't think he's Cesar Tovar. He pretends to be Cesar Tovar. How am I the only one frustrated by this?

Cesar Tovar had a year where he finished seventh in MVP voting, but his OPS plus was 97, which meant he was below league average. What were we doing back then to figure out if guys were good? Are you guys with me on the idea? You're watching an awful lot of college football, Lucy. The fact that we can't analyze that we don't have even rudimentary, accurate, empirical knowledge about how do we discover,

find, and train the person who's going to play that position well, can it be played well by more than 10 people in the world at any given time? What's the question? Yeah. Are you, you're just lamenting the poor back evaluation? I just can't believe, I can't, no, it's not that I'm. We're never gonna fix that. No, you're just lamenting. I just can't believe I can't know it's not that I'm never gonna fix No, no, no, I'm not cam war. The guy that you're touting was a zero star in high school

I'm not I'm not lamenting cow. Look I assume at this point. We're all in agreement We don't do this. Well, what I'm saying to you is what is the point of? The world being overrun by people analyzing something that clearly no one's analyzing well. No, but some are. You could, there are, look, Josh Allen is an example, was a polarizing prospect. There are people that went to the mat

saying Josh Allen's gonna be good. And since they nailed that, because it was a risk reward situation, their reputation within their sport is made. No matter how many times they're wrong, it'll ultimately catch up to them. It was only Tannenbaum who was doing that. Of any of the network people, he was the only one doing that and Justin Herbert. I think it's so situationally like, it really depends. Especially in like the college game where you look at a player like Kyle McCord who didn't, he didn't have a bad year at Ohio State by

any means, but like just wasn't the right fit there. You could say that, okay, they didn't, you know, they weren't able to predict what he would be correctly. He goes to Syracuse, has a phenomenal year, receives Heisman votes. He has such a great season. So like, even though there are people getting it wrong, it really does like matter so much the situation where like, you can get it wrong for your situation, but someone else can get it right. We're like, that's just kind of the joy of football is are you gonna have a good quarterback?

Is it gonna work out? Like, what like it's so insane. If we think about it, one of my favorite fan events to go to is the NFL draft because like, you have to be kind of nuts to go stand outside in Detroit in April at night to just hear a name be called because you genuinely don't know how it's going to play out it's sort of why we like football i guess art and the pints like it because i don't know what let let me do it let me do it through this route because you've heard me obsess a little bit today about her vote this week about the sean watson and

everything that's happened with him because i will tell you whatever you think of the texans presently the greatest threat in the middle of some of what was happening with the chiefs was to sean watson was up twenty four nothing against the chiefs and that chiefs team that had tyreek hill and needed all of the things that were big play that chiefs team would not be able to do against houston and dishawn watson the

third the racing of the twenty four point lead that quarterback was at the top of the sport and then everything ends up short-circuiting the place i want to go now when it comes to a analysis of that position is we are all watching presently what is the single greatest greatest Detroit Lions team there's ever been because things that happened in the 1950s in sports did not actually happen. The quarterback for that team is Jared Goff. He was let go by the Rams.

Everyone thought that was a good decision. Everyone thought that the Rams upgraded. Everyone thought that Jared Goff was a transitional quarterback to whatever it is that the detroit lions would do next we also jared gulf single greatest coaching achievement of bill belichick's lifetime is he beat jared gulf with tom brady as his quarterback and he only needed tom brady to get 13 points that was enough to win tom brady one of his seven super bowls serious breathing going on for my dad right now. Yeah. Yeah. What's the alternative? Not breathing?

Sounds like in one of those like hip hop beats from like the early 2000s when they were trying to make everything super sensual and you just heard the deep breathing going underneath a Timbaland beat, that's what you sound like right now, Greg. Okay, that's what I was going for. Yeah, I know.

Well, with the sick voice, I figured that was it. Yeah, sorry about that. Great description there by Jeremy. It was. As opposed to a encryption. Back to Jared Goff. What's the joke I mean just made? You weren't listening. You're too busy breathing. No, he was doing the bit. Just keep going. Jared Goff went from the rams to the lions nobody thought that was anything right now but nobody listening to my voice thought that'll make man campbell one of the geniuses in sports and they'll go forward on for down and here's it some added bonus fun from what the coordinators are doing

they'll have this play where the running back and jared goff pretend like they're falling down in the backfield which no one's doing so that the linebackers move up in their someone open again because jared goff is great at this one none of us thought that your graph was great at this except when he was at california where i'd like jerry goff and then

he went number one and all i was was wrong because at the beginning of his career jared goff was terrible didn't seem like he could play the position and then got with the city coordinators and now is jared goff really the favorite over mvp's josh allen and lamar jackson because of what you've seen detroit just did the minnesota it are you going to tell me that the eternal laughingstock detroit lions are

now the favorite and everyone listening to me is saying? Yeah, I believe that's the best team in the NFL Even though I saw them lose at home against Buffalo if you want to talk about elite level quarterback play with Jared Goff There's only one quarterback in NFL history that has had over the course of their entire career same season or not a season season with 4,000 passing yards. A season with 70 plus completion percentage. A season with 110 plus passer rating. A season with 15 plus wins as a starter. The 1QB is Jared Goff and he did it all this year. That's a pretty good case. I mean, I think Lamar should win it, but it's a pretty good

case. Lamar Jackson has to win the MVP. Do you hear what he just said though? That's never been done before. I heard it all in one season. I heard every second and you can make stats like that for Jamar. I mean the dual. I mean Jamar Chase also had a really good season. He wins another MVP. Does he have more MVPs and playoff wins? It could be. The medication is getting in. The medication, the breathing. Lamar you you were saying. Okay, Lamar Jackson. I don't have the stats in front of me. I'm not as smart as Jason.

You don't like him either? As Jason. What? It's my brother's name. Okay. You don't like him either is what I said. Lamar Jackson has, I think, like 47 touchdown passes and five interceptions, not to mention almost a thousand yards rushing. Nobody does that that he has to win the MVP award I don't care I don't I

think your touchdown totals a little bit high is it 41 to 4 41 to 4 at 47 okay the ratio I had the ratio right on the mark 47 to 5 statistically is about the same you know what you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right and and I cannot dispute the ratio We're the for correcting. Yeah, we know what you meant and you got the ratio I'm a key L Jack has to win the MVP award this year in my opinion I granted he was a Lobo, so I'm a little prejudiced in his very behalf, but okay, so it's Jamar That's probably where you again for some reason. I some reason, and I'm sorry, I do feel, forgive me, I'm going to need to ask the audience to forgive me and to have this be a sincere apology.

Dan, not to interrupt you. You're interrupting me. I know, but this is important because I don't think you heard the last thing he said. Chris says Jamar Chase is also on your on the Lobo. That's probably why you are confused. And he says, that's right, Jamar Chase, and VL. So, yeah, by your own admission, Lamar Jackson isn't even the MVP of your fantasy team. So happy you stopped.

That begs an explanation. Lamar, I had two fantasy teams, both called Lobos. Lamar started on one team, Jamar Chase on the other. So technically, again, I was right, but Jamar Chase won the MVPL MVL award in a controversial decision over Saquon Barkley Okay, you say that's nice. You say it that way and you save the whole thing you rock You got him like Orlowski got Shannon Sharp again again, though again Sorry

Jared Goff. Do any people listening to this understand the insanity of the fact that the Detroit Lions are favored to win the Super Bowl as an eternal laughing stock because they have this quarterback doing things at the position that none of us would regard as the best quarterback until seeing what we're presently seeing at the position that none of us would regard as the best quarterback until seeing what we're presently seeing at this position. We thought he was a creation of whatever it is McBey was doing. We think he's a creation now. All

of us would say that he's paid about where he should be being with Trevor Lawrence and Tua, but he's better than everybody by virtue of system and draft status and everything the Lions are doing and I find it Baffling that we analyze this sport this way with this much information and that we can't see that one coming That no one sees it coming when you didn't see coming that Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen were good enough to play the position Either that's true This is a new and improved and make everybody happy. You make them happy by making New Year's time a Miller time. It's a beer with taste you know you can depend on that won't let anybody down. No games, no gimmicks, just great

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