The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: The "Palpable Dread" Around Jimmy Butler

Episode Date: January 17, 2025

Do you remember Canadian reggae artist "Snow?" Did you know he was white? Did you know because of his name? Then, we promised ourselves we'd stop talking about Jimmy Butler, but this new piece from Ramona Shelburne is just too good. Palpable dread? Disgust? Jimmy hasn't even started? Tonight's game and Kevin Love's IG are both going to be a movie. Plus, we use Andrew Hawkins' football expertise ahead of Playoff games returning tomorrow to let us know the difference between "a guy," "the guy," and the new submission of "a dude." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to the Big Sui presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBoutard podcast. I'm sorry. I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys?

I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face and the habitual liar. Can you get your joy back here on the court? Probably not. Jimmy Butler's got a trait he's demanding, doesn't wanna play force-po. For seven games now he's out, he's suspended, vibes are at an all-time low. Though we can't forget when Jimmy made the heat of finals seem. He's become a menace, Riley's gotten way too up for his shit

Jimmy Bucket ain't just gonna stand there in the corner And y'all he's 35, no he ain't gettin' any younger He's lost a couple steps, no longer alpha or a killer Best reveal the situation that you caught up in her He's done this almost everywhere else that he's been How can we be surprised that he's doing it again? Now we can test the market for an old malcontent To wanna talk or think about all of the money that we spended.

Says he'd play for Atlanta? Just not the Heat. Maybe even for Toronto? Just not the Heat. Send his ass to Indiana? Just not the Heat. Could even trade him to Utah? Just not the Heat. Could get his joy back in Denver? Just not the Heat. Could sell his coffee as a clipper? Just not the Heat. Maybe a buck or a blazer? Just not the Heat. Says he'll play anywhere? Just not the heat, could sell his coffee as a clipper Just not the heat, maybe a buck or a blazer Just not the heat, says he'll play anywhere Just not the heat I'm a big fan of spoof music, always have been, always will be. If I didn't have to make money it probably would be what I would do on a daily basis.

There was some cultural appropriation there. No, man, Andrew Streeter, look at me. But it's all good. Look at me, Andrew. You get the Lewis Pinnock Award. That's a sinophobe thing. You get the Lewis Pinnock Award. A plus 100%, don't let him tell you otherwise, man.

You know what it reminded me, what's the song, who sings the song informer snow snow For when I realized that was a white dude his name is snow So is young jeezies I Thought he was selling cocaine a Mean did any of us know a mean had an amazingly nasally fake snow in his repertoire? We're not gonna just steamroll past this. What?

It was literal snow, because he's from Canada. He's from Canada, that's the other one. Yeah, so I was supposed to hear, and think that this dude was a white person from Canada doing Jamaican dance hall music. That was the through line I was supposed to take from that. Listening on the radio as an 11 year old. Snow, that's why they call him Snow. Marketing in the 90s was incredibly direct.

They weren't trying to be subtle or anything. He's from Canada, he's white. Snow. No, I disagree. I disagree, because I think back then, it's like in my neighborhood, Tiny, the homie Tiny was 6'6", 285. No, but not for white guys.

You know? Vanilla Ice was on the nose. Vanilla Ice. Vanilla Ice was on the nose. They hit him twice. But I think they were playing into the fact that you would hear the music and not just think, oh, that is a, that's ironic, you know what I'm saying?

There was a rap group, and I only know this because I went back to my mom's house in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, and in this old box, she had this box of trading cards of MTV Raps trading cards. Oh, wow, okay. And on this card, there was a young rap group named Young Black Teenagers, yes. Wasn't DJ Scribble in that? And on this card, there was a young rap group named Young Black Teenagers, yes.

Wasn't DJ Scribble in that? Yes. Three white dudes called Young Black Teenagers. So if you hear the music, and the group name is Young Black Teenagers, you're not gonna be like, oh, it must be three white guys. They shifted the paradigm.

So when I hear snow, and I hear Caribbean music, Canadian white dude. I will admit right here next to you as someone who's eighteen years older than you i think that i also the first time i heard that song and snow and informer i also thought originally when i heard the voice that it was a black person who was singing i think i'm a bit cynical here but uh... i would't believe that a black group would call themselves young black teenagers. In the 90s? 92?

No! I mean now, yeah, we get it now. In 92. Not now, not in 92, not in 83, not in 74. Tap the bottle and twist the cap was an absolute banger though. I just wanna be clear to both of you, right? Hawk, you're here age-wise,

Dan, you're here, I'm sort of in the middle, bridging the two generations together. Hawk, you grew up in Pennsylvania? Yeah, Pennsylvania. You, right here in South Florida. I was in Sudan and I knew snow was white. I was in a country where power being on for consecutive days for 24 hours

was like, oh my God, what happened? Who messed up? How did you know he was white? From the very first time, because his name was Snow. His name was- I think that was your culture. It was very literal where you're at. That was introduced to him.

That's not how we are here, man. It is a very literal culture. That was when MTV was still breaking music, so the music video kind of introduced him. Like, wow, this is crazy. It'd be fun, except for the fact we didn't get music videos yeah I understand exactly what's his real name Darren Kenneth O'Brien oh my god you know what's funny I mean that's perfect but if you look at him he looks like a

Darren Kenneth O'Brien he does like does that's it looks Irish he also looks like snow you look yeah but if you call if I'm like yo meet the homie Dko you'd be like oh, okay No, do you know I'm saying good? Former Well that look yeah, you do that again, or was that a one-time only performance because it really was him as snow Insulted that a white person is impersonating a black person. Not insulted. I mean, okay, whatever. It was a very good impersonation.

Like that's Snow Track Bangs. Look at him. First of all, look at him. It's not like a regular white guy in rap where you see him in the E. No, it is infuriating cultural appropriation. No, it's not. Informa. Na na na na na na na na na na na.

That's not a good... He wasn't he no No, can we not we can't play you know what the song is about like it's just a ridiculous thing for my man Okay, oh, yeah, I've been about Why do you and I feel like idiots here like why doesn't mean get to be the one who's right on this 20 years later? I don't let it means takes Just inform how I feel about myself in form You know I found out he was white

Looking at an old Jim Carrey sketch. Yes living color Can we play that do we have the rights to play that because that we purchase the rights of? Get right on that let me know me end up marrying you. I mean I don't wanna give us any lawsuits here. Skipper's in town, he's a part of Unrivaled, a giant league that's now in town. I do believe I am, hell yeah. We're buying giant property, so I don't think we've done it this morning,

but get on that. Wait, tell me this, why can we play the Shaba Ranks instrumental song? Could we? It was Shaba Ranks adjacent. Okay. What Shaba Ranks song did we play? We had a royalty free song to open things.

So let me backtrack for just a second here because we have actual Jimmy Butler, I'm going to put it in quotes news, okay, and the reason I'm putting it in quotes is the following, okay, I just had an email chain with the company where they're like 1-800-FLOWERS is ready to go, and I'm like, all right, I'm ready to threaten America that they gotta buy flowers, and what's got to put on the email chain was, just tell them you're gonna talk more about Jimmy Butler.

Because our audience is done with all of the conversation around this, but then a morsel trickles in and Jeremy and Mike Ryan get engaged. Mike Ryan hasn't wanted to have a Heat conversation. Mike, look, listen to me, Heat fans, spoiled, spoiled, entitled Heat fans. All the obnoxious things that Mike Ryan is as a hurricane, earned and burned through fire,

living and slaving at the knee of LeBron, Wade and Bosch will beat you all, I'll show you. I'll show you, and then all the basketball after that is less interesting because of course. Because the starting point is the three guys on a stage marching around, you get all the free agents, yes, Miami against the world, Miami against the world. Went to two finals after those guys left.

Understood. Miami against the world Miami against the world went to two finals after those guys left understood that obnoxious guy is entitled to put the titles in entitled I beat the Celtics all the time don't embarrass me in front of the Celtics and when you do okay I'm out and I'm not interested anymore not interested in the conversation you failed Baman hero not enough and now Jimmy Butler is at the middle of a mess and what's the latest reporting because when Ramona Shelburne gets in the game, everybody get out of the way, get out of the way. Because the details for some reason when she

investigates them are a little bit spicier than they are anywhere else. I'm going to read you a passage from the article that she put out just 15 minutes ago, that included details like Jimmy staying 30 miles away from the heat during the 2023 finals, and all sorts of discontent. But it says teammates, coaches and staffers have already grown weary sources said while heat sources say they expect Butler to return Friday against the nuggets and are fully prepared for him to play.

There remains a palpable dread at what he might do and the environment, the ongoing chaos might create quote. I don't know how he can come back to this locker room, one source close to the team said. Said another, quote, we don't want him back, unquote. And then a source close to Butler says, Jimmy hasn't even really started. Are you guys just that jaded?

We had palpable dread, chaos, Jimmy hasn't even begun to make shit uncomfortable. He's teased what color he's dyed his hair for tonight. That's a mystery in itself. This is a guy that every franchise in which he's wheeled his way out of, say for maybe Philadelphia, he has burned it to the ground.

And it's usually been behind closed doors. Now he is ending his suspension in the regular season and reportedly teammates don't want him back. And we may have a Timberwolves practice play out in front of the nation on court in a finals rematch. This is actually fascinating. And Kevin loves Instagram has been like the best TV show in 2025 because he has been posting all the way through it, trolling everybody in the process.

There was a boys to men Photoshop and then yesterday this one, he posts this, which is the, I'm not bleeping going anywhere from the Wolf of Wall Street. And it says live look, Jimmy, after his meeting with Mickey hashtag hashtag get my joy back, and Jimmy Butler liked it. So this is what Kevin Love's role has been throughout all of this, which is trying to kind of keep everything mended, where he's trolling Jimmy online. He really has been kind of the connector between

the veterans and the young players on this team for a few years. A lot of people give him credit for saving that locker room a couple years ago when they were the eight seed that went to the finals because Kyle Lowry and Jimmy Butler were sort of a separate entity from the rest of those young players. And when he came out at the buyout window

and signed with the Heat, it changed a lot of what was going on there. He has been this guy, he's still trying to be this guy. And the Heat gave him credit for speaking up in meetings on this road trip to kind of help them get back together. So the irony of all that is, way back when, when the Cavs added Richard Jefferson by a trade in, I think Channing Fry, those guys arrived to a Cavs team

that they felt was fractured, clickish, all too serious. And the first thing those two guys did was, they said, everybody's getting on this text, this group text. And they would just send memes and they lighten the mood and that's how that team got close. And so to see Kevin Love take that lesson from earlier, this is why you have vets, because they go through things earlier

and then they know how to play it forward in the future. I understand the Jimmy Butler fatigue. I feel it too. But if you told me, Hey, there is palpable dread and fear of chaos going around Oklahoma City and Milwaukee tonight. I'm tuning into that game to see palpable dread, chaos. And this guy hasn't even begun to make stuff uncomfortable. I'm there for sure. I don't even really know what the hell is going on with Jimmy Butler. I've been on the show for three weeks and you guys mentioned it and I kind of just try to stay quiet because I don't want anybody to know that I have no idea what the hell is going on but I've slowly caught

up. Okay but so let me put in front of you the power dynamics at play because I suspect that you will find the entirety of this story interesting. Let's begin with Kevin Love's part in it because Kevin Love has been through the fire, had panic attacks, went public with the idea of, man, the pressure when you're the third guy traded next to LeBron to win the championship, it's kind of disorienting. So Kevin Love went from leading the league

in rebounding a couple of times, being the number one guy on an eight seed Timberwolves team, to do we trade him for clay Thompson no you're getting the whole thing right now Hawk go way back I don't real quick you guys didn't want to give too much no yeah so now we've rewound it to go through the whole clay Thompson trade yeah I don't have to do it now we're in 2013 I don't continue that I'm listening okay related to a I'm with you I like it you're in 2003 he's in 2000 I'm always in 2003 John's member of the Beach Boys neither here nor there, but we continue

Jimmy Butler if he's going to escalate things now I mean has the possibility of making a real giant mess Which is an interesting way to end things at the 15 years of player empowerment Where it goes from Miami has LeBron and at the end the wheels fall off the thing, because a player has gotten so much power that he can nuke your franchise if he's willing to make it messy enough. I'm sorry, let me ask this question.

I know you guys don't like that when I do that, but do we have the sound of Dwayne Wade on his podcast talking about it? If we can cue that up, because it's a real interesting window into exactly what you're talking about, Dan. The thing that is interesting to me is everyone, like Mike said, palpable dread, right? Palpable dread and what's going to happen in chaos, right? This is so great. It reminds me of when I went, oh, you know what? We got the Duane Wade thing. This is more important. I was just filibustering.

Go. So in this space with the Heat, man, I don't know what's going to happen and I don't comment on the trade, but I know what Jimmy Butler has done for the Miami Heat and it shouldn't have to be as ugly as it is right now. And I don't like this staying on our organization. I don't like the fact that people feel that they can comment and talk about like that whole notion that people saying people that because of Jimmy Butler situation, the Hal Power rally has handled things that guys are not going to come to Miami. Y'all can quit that right now. It ain't going to be a day that a basketball player ain't going to make $300 million to play in Miami.

It will not be a day that you ain't going to raise your hand and go make 300 million to be the star of Miami. So let's quit that narrative. Let's quit that narrative right now. Sign me up. I go deal with some structure for four. Let's quit that narrative right now. I go deal with some structure for four. To give Jimmy credit, man, Jimmy came in when they was losing the face of their franchise and became the face of the franchise. That's hard to do. He became the person that those kids want to buy his jersey, wear his jersey. You know what I'm saying? And so the relationship was the heat was a soft landing spot for Jimmy. And Jimmy was exactly the star that the heat needed for six years, finals, big moments that they've had together. It should not end.

It's ended tragically. This is tragic. This is a tragic way to end a relationship. And so as a former player, it's ugly on our franchise. It's a stain on our franchise that we continue to have the way that the relationships break up but also too on the other side you don't run that organization as a player so you get to that space sometime where you want to do things your way it's Pat Rowdy way minor penalty two minutes spreading

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Please do not share with anyone under legal drinking age. Don Lebatard. It sounds to me like everybody could use a hug because a hug is always the right size. Stugats! All I have put in my body today is three cups of coffee and an entire cup of honey. Don't let him fool you, he said in the break that he's jittery. This is the Don Lebatar Show with the Stugats! He also said it's a stain on the organization that every star leaves here, like even him felt like he had the most balance. They push everyone out at some point.

So yes, I thought the sound that you guys had was the sound that really went viral. You didn't you had a different sound, which is good and informative. Yeah, great. But not what we're talking about. It wasn't even the right podcast. To be honest, it was. You're now the guy who, but not what we talked about. That wasn't even the right podcast. Can we be honest? You're now the guy who's just gonna throw it to the video room without telling anybody.

Let's put that in Amin's hands. That seems safe. That was a great video. So it was a great video. It was informative. It wasn't the point I was trying to make, because the one I was trying to make when he said, LeBron came here, and I said, but it's not LeBron's way,

it's Pat Riley's way. It's not Dwayne Wade's way, it's Pat Riley's way. And so it's their organization. You're just gonna have to accept that at some point. They're gonna do it how they wanna do it. And so for Jimmy Butler, who I see a lot of people, I do have a question. I see everyone has been repeating this.

They let Jimmy Butler do way more than they let LeBron Wade and Zo and Shaq do. I've heard that repeat that exact same way, same phrasing, multiple places, multiple people, but everyone dances around it. What exactly did they let him do that they didn't let the other guys do? I mean, I can tell you from my experience

what that means, which is he controls when he speaks to the media in a way that no player has ever with the Heat. During the Big Three era, those guys, during every practice, every shoot around, every game, that's just one Miniscule right example. Let me let me so Hawk Let me explain just the history this part of the history has to be in front of people so they understand

What has been begotten over the last 15 years Riley is Belichick? The whole thing Patriot way Heat way 15 years LeBron, you come here to learn and once you've learned you can take it with you, but you learned it here. Jimmy, you learned it here. Like, you can take it with you, but we build that, not you. Organizations win championships, Jerry Krause, that stuff. So LeBron comes with the power and then at the end of 2014, no I got it, I'm going to go now build a league, $ dollars with maverick carter

because i got it i got it on the go to hollywood do what you did during showtime i got it may in my crew are going to make leagues and by hollywood i don't need you anymore what do you mean you don't need me anymore what do you mean to break my heart you but yet like i will say that's the weakest i've ever seen pat riley embarrassed like that in public and And this cannot feel good either. Like this, this, and so what might it escalate to when last year they had Udonis on the bench

and when he went at Spoh, Udonis was there. Jimmy will make this a mess and the player will win on the, at the end if he's willing to be shameless. Like that's how Damien L Liller didn't get here. And one of the things you see happening now is Pat Riley burned by the Frankenstein monster that he birthed. But Dan, there's a couple things, right? Yeah.

Number one, I get it. By the way, you done this two years ago. That wasn't last year. But number one is the part about this. Chris Haynes talked to you guys the other day. And I was shocked that not only no one on this show, Number one is the part about this, Chris Haynes talked to you guys the other day, and I was shocked that not only no one on this show, but nobody outside of this show reacted to this thing.

The part where they said Jimmy Butler and Pat Riley have not spoken, have not texted, have not met face to face, had not, excuse me, from at least the end of the season which was in April To the January 2nd meeting where they were like you're not giving us enough That is staggering. I remember speaking to Ramona Shelburne years ago I was on the jump Ramona Shelburne broke a story at the top of the show that Magic Johnson president of the Lakers had not spoken to Luke Walton head coach of the Lakers for two weeks and I was like, what?

How is that possible? And I said, man, Luke, better get your resume ready. When that happens, this is a massive fracture. That was two weeks. Now Chris Haynes is telling me six months these guys haven't communicated. So this is what I'm telling you. When Jeremy says that LeBron and Wade met several times a day,

when LeBron came to Miami at 25, Wade's team, Wade's rules, Wade was doing Riley's work, we meet with the press, okay LeBron would say. Right. Shaq had it conformed too, right? Shaq didn't want that. He didn't want to, but he had to. Shaq didn't like it.

Shaq would get into fights about it. Shaq is the first one to test, is Riley in charge? Yes, he's in charge. At the end, Shaq, you're gonna be outside with your stuff. And that bald guy, security, is gonna be walking you out. You can't go get your stuff. We're gonna kick you out of the building. Shaq had Wade here too, though, at least to be like,

I know Shaq was bigger than Wade, but Wade's still there doing it, whereas Butler, he's the guy. I'm trying to follow. I think I'm more confused now than at the beginning, so I'm sure it'll crystallize at some point. But we're in a bunch, we went even, we did go back to 03 a couple times there.

And I almost got stuck. So I'm just trying to make sure it sounds like Jimmy Butler and Pat Riley have a riff? Yeah. You're going on? Palpable dread, fear, chaos. I would tune in. Haven't watched, will watch,

if that's gonna be on the docket. And then I will also say, from a Jimmy Butler perspective, how did he come to Miami? Was this known information? Does he typically behave like this? Yes. Yes, always. Okay, so when you play stupid games, do you win stupid prizes is my question.

And again, I'm still getting the information dance. So I apologize I'm like trying to put it together. But in that example, you said you don't get to go What do you mean? You don't need me if that was the case prior to and you sign up for it or his or feels like he shouldn't be surprised by a Duck being a duck. Man, you're getting it. I don't know. We thought we could change him, and for a long time, we felt like we did.

First few years. Yeah, Miami Dells had. The fourth marriage was the best marriage. Now, that's not what happened. What happened is you guys thought, or the organization thought, yeah, the reason he broke up with all those other people is the stuff that we love, right?

We love that he's demanding. We love that he goes out there and gives it his all. We love those things about him. That he challenges the other players. It must not have been a challenge. That he's not afraid of confrontation, which Dan, in today's league, more than ever, having people who are not confrontation averse is such a, like it's such a game changer. Because everyone's like passive aggressive

and in their feelings. I love that, let's do least conflict averse people in the NBA. Jimmy Butler's number one. Well I wanted him to finish his, I wanted him to finish his point because I don't know like the modern makeup of an NBA baller and how Jimmy Butler

is just so different than that. When Jimmy Butler, I mean, I loved basketball at a time where everyone was kind of more built like Jimmy Butler from an intensity and approach to the game type of thing. And there were way more fights in the locker room. Now everything seems to be a little bit more harmonious. It is. I mean, it's like, I've had players tell me,

I mean, you couldn't work in the league anymore. I said, why not? It's like, because you can't talk to the kids the way you used to talk to people. And they're like, what do you mean? It's like, no, if you say something, the kid will go sulk for two weeks and be in his feelings about it,

rather than like take the challenge or even just tell you to go after yourself or whatever. Right? And so Jimmy Butler is a throwback in that way. He is a throwback to a time when guys just, like were just assholes to each time when guys just like were just assholes to each other and everyone just dealt with it. When I hear the Ramona Shelburne story about people like oh no he's coming back it's like that's what

I'm talking about because in another era those guys would have picked up the phone and told them you'll go after yourself you're not in the soccer room anymore right if you felt like that for real like you hey you turn your back on us and we're gonna move on well This is the players would okay, but look so so Hawk seriously though. What are we in for here? I know people are tired of this But if you have at the crossroads of conflict the guy who's not afraid of conflict and now he's walking into Bam out of bio and Tyler heroes locker room Tyler, when he has to get into a fight, he's taking Jimmy's team.

He's taking his shots, gonna take his spot in the All-Star game. It is now Tyler's team, and they're gonna be like, a little bit worse, but he'll get his. He'll get what Jimmy Butler was getting, and they'll try to make him more of a star. What is that locker room gonna be like

if you've got a guy coming in, and we're arguing about money and shots and minutes and he's willing to embarrass your franchise, a franchise that's a military complex of it's us against them. Are you the guy or not? And that is the Pat Riley. Are you the dude that can continue to rebuild or not? It's going to be uncomfortable. Change always is. But when you have two big dogs and one says, I'm the guy, which means I should call the shots, and the other one says, I'm the guy,

and I should call the shots, and they wanna leave, if I'm with that person or we're like tied to the hip, then go do your thing, because I have no absolutely any fear that I'm not gonna still be the guy, I'm not gonna be who I say I am, which is the person who can continue to reload with D Wade, LeBron, Jimmy Butler, Hero, they'll be somebody else, go do your thing.

We're not having the fun conversation. The fun conversation here is, who's the person who said we don't want them back? I have a theory. Well, every time there's a leak, you ask who benefits the most from this leak. Now, I don't believe this to actually be the leak, but the person that benefits most from this leak, if the palpable dread subsides and there isn't chaos

and there isn't fear and hell, they may go out and be galvanized and win this game, Kevin Love. Light wolves. He benefits the most. Take me, take me. He benefits the most from it, okay? Now, it's not a source on the team, it's a source near the team.

Maybe that's a way to protect your source that might be an actual player. But if I'm Kevin Love and what I bring to the table the most is my ability to bring those folks together in the locker room, why don't I establish that this locker room's a total mess until Uncle Kev gets involved. Oh, so he makes it a mess.

And then when Jimmy walks in, he's like, guys, guys, I'm Kevin Love. I know how to, thanks, I heard it. I'm gonna bring everybody together. I'm gonna inform, yeah, check it out, and then we're like boom, boom, down, and everyone's like, oh yeah, yeah, we should looky boom, boom down.

We should look, we should look. Hey, yo, that's crazy, fam. Hey, yo, Murda, you wildin', fam, that's crazy.. Hey yo Murda you wildin fam that's crazy. Hey yo Cammy, yo he's wildin fam. We have covered this story a bunch. But one thing that we didn't actually touch on was the NBAPA's involvement. Because remember the suspension came down and it's like okay you can suspend somebody for that. The NBA came out immediately with a statement.

The union. Yeah the union came out with a statement. And then it was reported that the Heat were ready for this, delivered pages and video citing examples of why they were justified in their actions to suspend Jimmy Butler and not a peep since then. Jimmy Butler hasn't publicly objected to the suspension. He fulfilled the suspension. he's done his time.

But that's Jimmy, right? Like that's also Jimmy, like, oh, oh you think this is gonna hurt me? Nope, I'm gonna serve coffee and have fun. Right, but what was in the video? Also from Ramona's piece, Butler, sources close to him said, was furious at the length of the suspension.

There had been a possibility that the meeting could have resulted in a reduced suspension and fine sources said, but Butler would have had to show, quote, a lot more contrition. Instead, he doubled down. I can just see Hawk's head just continuing to spin, so I'm gonna give you a little second here to breathe.

This episode of the Dan LeBattard Show is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. I mean, I'm gonna give you the floor to give us your best 15 Jimmy Butler seconds and be done with this topic because we're actively annoying America with this topic at this point.

With every last morsel, don't wanna keep talking about it and then a morsel comes in and everyone starts talking about it. The thing I wanted to play for Hawk because he did the thing where he's, you're not a guy, that guy, the guy, a guy, and it made me think what our football analysis would be of this Cause I'm that guy so I pick up your slack Yeah? But what about this? If I'm just a guy

Won't recognize a blitz when it's disguised I'm throwing picks when we're in overtime That's just what happens if I'm just a guy I got some questions Sam Donnell That QB throwin' Or Dino Smith That QB throwin' it Rock Purdy That QB throwin' it Or Geno Smith That QB throwin' it

Brock Purdy That QB throwin' it Kyler Murray That QB throwin' it Lemme see what you got, Bonix That QB throwin' it Michael Panix That QB throwin' it

CJ Stroud That QB throwin' it Alaska Loud That QB throwin' it Are you that guy? That QB throwin' it Are you that guy? That QB throwin' it

Are you that guy? That QB throwin' it Are you that guy? That QB throwin' it Are you that guy? That QB throwin' it Are you that guy? Are you that guy? Are you that guy? Are you that guy? Are you that guy? Are you that guy? Are you that guy? Are you that guy? Are you that guy? Are you that guy?

Are you that guy? Are you that guy? Are you that guy? Are you that guy? Jeremy Tachay as Timbaland, Luis Pinoch. That guy, uh guy. You got CJ Stroud in there as uh guy, Purdy as a guy Sam Darnold as a guy I was just trying to make names rhyme. He was asking questions

No, but I'm asking all of you when you talk about Jeremy like that was you that was me. Yeah, that's me. Thanks, man Incredible spoof music. Thank you very much I don't understand why you guys aren't scared of Justin Timberlake's lawyers But somehow the ball brothers lawyers have shaken this whole establishment. Well this is proper parody, whereas if you just play a clip of a song. Spoof music is more. Well spoof music, alright, so this is proper spoof music. Thank you for that correction, Jeremy.

You really took all the life out of it. I was just, I always do. You're a damn copyright lawyer. Sorry, that's a bad explanation. The difference between a guy and the guy, okay, you've got two MVPs playing in a football game and it's going to be in the snow and They're both MVP worthy and Lamar Jackson has changed the entirety of the position Please explain to me when we talk about a guy and the guy in that sport. Yeah, they're what?

Five the guys at that position by your identification. Are there six maybe four Maybe maybe four and a possible. I would say my homes Lamar Allen and burrow are Bonafide guys bonafide guys. Bonafide. Five, the closest is probably Stafford. What? Matt Stafford, he has an ability, and over time he's like, he just knows it.

He's an older that guy. He's an older that guy, but in this age, he might be that guy. Do you have somebody else you think should be in there? The kid from Washington. He's a guy. He's a guy else you think should be in there? The kid from Washington. Well, he's a guy. This is a great moment. He's young.

He's great young. Here's what? You said the guy. Is it the guy or the guy? The guy. And this week will tell us a lot about Jaden Daniels. I'm a huge Jaden Daniels believer. As I am a CJ Stroud, he took a step back this year.

That's undeniable. And if you asked me this time last year, CJ Stroud was a guy. I still think he is the guy, but there's gonna be growing pains. And I think next year for Jaden Daniels, we'll determine that. I can't make you a the guy in the first two years of year.

I feel like I have the best quarterback that just has the debate of is he a guy or the guy? Jared Goff. But Jared Goff has the second most touchdown passes in the league when you include regular season and post season since 2023. Ironically enough, the guy that is first by a golf of six is Baker Mayfield, who is also a guy that has that debate.

Look, I think there's four the guys in the league that any given year they have an ability to take their team to the Super Bowl. The thing that you're doing though, and please, because these are the teams that are left, right, unsurprisingly, the quarterbacks you're mentioning, other than Burrow. Burrow's not there.

Burrow wasn't even in the dance. Not this time, but I'm just curious, when you do that to C.J. Stroud, because everyone comes to an agreement on C.J. Stroud has been worse. Nico Collins missed a part of the season. He's an important piece for them. But another one, by the way,

we just forget that he looked like that when he had a one and a two that played like a one and a two. But also, you as the football player, at some point, like week 11, they said they had twenty five sacks allowed for by their guards and center yeah and and not and that's worse than anyone in the league like that no body cut none

of the quarterbacks you mentioned can play quarterback that way not them and not their best maybe maybe josh allen lamar jackson to get away from it but what i'm saying is and i don't think that i was a terrible off at the blind play but i i was and Lamar Jackson could get away from it, but what I'm saying is, if the pressure's gonna come. I've seen Burrow with terrible offensive line play. It's why I was Panay Sul over Jamar Chase. But it was still, when you watch Burrow, he was a dude, and C.J. Stroud is a dude. I don't wanna make it seem like he's not gonna be there.

Is it the dude or the dude? He's not the dude yet. There's a step between a guy and the guy. It's not like a direct, you don't just step over a thin line Between you're not respecting this you keep saying a guy and a guy is in yeah, it's insulting No, it's it you we need is right. It's a dude. Okay, you need you need you need a Something. Okay. I got it. There's just a guy. Mm-hmm. There is a

Dude a dude, and then there's the guy. Okay, are you good with that? CJ Trout, Jaden Daniels are dudes. Baker Mayfield? They're dudes, Baker Mayfield is. He's not a Jack. He's a dude.

He's just a guy. He's a low-level dude. I just said he has the most touchdown passes over the last two years. Look, there's only 13 people in NFL history that passed for more than 40 touchdowns in a season Baker Mayfield is one of them a special What about what about hold on what about Tua? Be careful here. Where's Tua? It's a guy the guy or dude. I think he's a dude

Okay, I have to in the dude. Two is in the dude category. That's good I think he's a I think again you a dude Has to have certain circumstances can we find him for this to get over the rock party a dude Brock Purdy is a dude. Yeah, I think Brock Purdy is way more special than people give him credit for. Jalen Hurts? Dude category dude. Okay. So we got a lot of upper end of the dude Purdy is way more special than people give him credit for Jalen hurts Dude category dude, okay, so we got a lot of upper end of the dude Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of dudes that five to like twelve era bunch of dudes is is dudes Justin Herbert And look even the guys that are in the The guy category, but you get I have four right now, but her so did he slide out of do her Bert?

He's the dude. Come on, man. That's one of the worst quarterback performances you've ever seen in a player. You gotta have an ability to be like, yo, I can't find that on the street. Okay. That's not anywhere in the draft. That's not anywhere in free agency.

Herbert is a dude. All those guys have potentials to be the guy. Whatever their maturation time and their development time is to get there, changes. Even Lamar. Can you be a good football team with a Jag? Huh? Can you be a good football team with a Jag? Huh? Can you be a good football team with a Jag?

Who are the good football teams with a Jag in that position? Lamar Jagged. Can you be good with Lamar Jagged? We should have fined Dan for that mistake, and if we did, it would be with the Venmo. Patrick Lahomes here. Oh, Chris. We have a new sponsor.

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All right, so I'll take care of that off air. I can't believe this guy was insulting to those guys. You're a former professional football player. These people deserve your respect. If I gave any of those quarterbacks, the McCaffrey, Debo Samuel, Trent Williams, Healthy, Ayuk, Kittle, any of those quarterbacks would be the guy, any of them. So I guess I'm not getting my 15 seconds on Jimmy Butler. From fireside conversations to

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