The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: The Patrick Ewing Wheelhouse (feat. David Samson)

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

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Cuervo. The tequila that invented tequila. Proximo. Cuervo.com, please drink responsibly. Queerville. Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBattard podcast.

I'm sorry, I'm not gonna apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar. I'm sure David Sampson has a lot of opinions about what he or he would have done or not done as part of a tribute to a player that soon I will not be able to name because,

Jessica, I'm gonna make this bet with you before the end of the show. The stakes will be, and I will agree to the terms, I will not talk about this anymore, no matter who brings it up or how they bring it up, I will abstain, but in exchange for that, there has to be something of equal measure that you're giving me. I'll think about it. I keep saying stakes, so. I know, but in exchange for that, there has to be something of equal measure that you are giving me.

I'll think about it. You keep saying steaks, so I think he's trying to- I know, but can it be actual steaks? That's what I'm saying. I think that's what he was angling at. Delicious. It can't be actually steaks. Can you eat steak?

No, it can't. Tuna steak? You can eat steak. You can have a tuna steak, right? I can have, yeah, I can have fish and stuff. I can have chicken. Tuna steak? Churroco you can't have?

No, no steak. Why? Just can't have it. It reacts badly with my body. What do you want? What do you ask? You new here? What's up? How long have you been here, Billy?

Come on. I'll go through the list if you want. I can't have paprika. Like we could do that. You'd like that. That hurts. I'm gonna do that for three hours. I just want to get to David.

I never thought I'd say that. Hey David. Hey David. Billy. It's baseball season, baby. It is. It starts tomorrow. I have a fantasy draft tonight.

Nine o'clock is very late for a fantasy draft. Baseball fantasy drafts are like 24 rounds. I don't like this one bit, but I have to do it. I need to know who is your first pick because there are a lot of players that people may not be focused on because of your inside information, you may be able to get somebody really good.

It's a good question. So my league, no one cares about this, so we gotta get through this very quickly. So my league, each team gets four keepers. So I need to kind of go through the list of the keepers and even see who's available. It's a whole thing. And somehow it always sneaks up on me.

So I need to cram after the show today. So we'll see. So I'll give you a spoiler alert. The first pick should always be Jimmy Butler. That's right, Billy. You didn't think that I was not listening to the start of the show, to the entire first segment, where your guys are talking incessantly about Butler

and the ridiculousness of that video. There's no way Pat Riley should have approved. You weren't talking about that, were you? What kind of segue was that when you guys were doing baseball? Was that was that you trying to just talk about what you wanted to talk about? Because he was trying to talk baseball in his fantasy league with you, and you decided to make it about the subject. We agreed we weren't going to talk about anymore right now.

Yeah, because that was Billy saying David and I got a text here offline say, which no one's supposed to know about. Hey, we only have a second to talk about baseball. We got to talk about Butler. So that's why I want to do that. It was very important to me to get to Jimmy. I actually talked about it in my MLB preview show on Nothing Personal,

which I don't have a clip for you to show, which I wish I had, but I don't. But I did a whole preview of the season, but I did work in the craziness of the decision of whether or not you do a video whether Who approves that how it works because we have that kind of stuff all the time Dan. So what would you have done? Oh because of the way he left there's no video We would not have even told the umpire to pause the game at the first at bat of that player if that player came Back to have an at-bat against us because normally you have to get permission from the umpire actually, in order to pause the game

for the player to step out, tip the cap, get the ovation from the 749 people there. So we don't do that, we wouldn't have done that for a player who left in that way. I mean, that's being an ass though, right? Everybody would have noticed that and it would have inflamed the entire situation. Like this is, is this not a part,

I mean, I don't even say this to mock you. The Miami Heat has an organization, they try to represent class. I don't know that that's something that you guys were- I resent the implication, Dan. Listen, we did not honor Bobby Cox because Bobby Cox said things that were against our organization. I'm sure

it's somewhere that you can look up. It was, it became a big deal, but we stuck to our principles that if you're going to be critical of us, we're not going to open a window for you to be celebrated. So I don't think that it's about class. It's about accountability, which is a concept that I wish more people understood. You can't act like Jimmy acted and expect that it's gonna be butterflies and unicorns when you come back. It should be, you're an enemy on a different team. See you later.

And you're welcome. I would have liked a full page ad in the paper from Jimmy thanking Pat Riley for allowing him to get paid this season because I would have suspended him the rest of the year or if the union made me, I would have sat him at the I would have suspended him the rest of the year or if the union made me, I would have sat him at the end of the bench

for the rest of the year. I think David, the issue here is, it's not about Jimmy Butler, it's what you project to the rest of basketball. And for them, I think they did the right thing. This is like, yes, you might be angry about things someone has said and done. Yes, internally you might be, go F yourself.

But you say the thing that causes the least amount of waves. In the same way that David, you said that when the Panthers won the Stanley Cup, if you had been in the Marlins, you guys would have been MFing like, damn. But externally you say congratulations to the Panthers. Why?

Is it because you owe anything to them? No, it's because you wanna project that, hey, we are a place that does it right even when we have been wronged. And that is what you want carrying forward, not those are the petty guys that hate when the other team across town won their championship. Yeah, I would do that for a team in my city, absolutely,

but that has nothing to do with rewarding player empowerment or rewarding what Jimmy Butler did to get himself out of Miami. You're comparing apples to peanuts. No, I'm not. I'm saying to you, what's the reward? Just like what's the harm in saying congratulations over there? What's the reward in not doing a 30 second of that video?

That wasn't, I mean, it was kind of toothless to be honest with you, but they did the bare minimum so that no one can ever say, oh you petty MFers, you guys didn't do anything when this guy came back. Which is again, it's not about Jimmy Butler, it's about every future free agent, every future star player who'd wanna come here, they don't wanna have the feeling that hey man, if I ever force my way out or have to force my way out,

they're gonna bury me too. That's what it's about. Let's go to an alternate universe of me and let's go to the universe where there was no video. Are you spending the first 40 minutes of the show sit talking about the fact that the Heat are a classless organization for not honoring Jimmy Butler with a video

and then imagining that it would have been whether it was a great one minute video with sound or whether it was an ordinary video, is that what your position would have been had there been none? If there had been no video, it absolutely would have been the A1 topic of, oh my God, they didn't even play the video.

And I'm gonna tell you what, David, yesterday they did the intros, a guard from da da da, Moses Moody, a blah blah blah Ford from Michigan State, Draymond Green. And then after four, I was like waiting for the guys just to say, and number 10, Jimmy Bala. I thought they were gonna do that, and that was it.

And then there was a silence, and I was like, holy shit, are they just gonna announce four guys and then move on to the home? I literally thought that's where they were going with, because that video took a delay, Jeremy, back me up. It did, no, there was like a three second delay that felt like an eternity because you were wondering what's gonna happen right now.

And had they gone directly from four guys, all right now we're gonna start talking about the Heat. Absolutely that would have been a one not only for our show but every sports show across the country. So we'll make Dan crazy but I wanna mention the name John Condon. John Condon was a very famous announcer at Madison Square Garden. And when a former player would come back, he would announce, and he was an amazing announcer.

And when a player would come back, number four, Jimmy Butler. And it would just be sort of a matter of fact, get the job done, you've got to announce the starting line. David, I'm going to tell you right now. I know John Condon. You sir, I know John Condon fan, because when Patrick Ewing came back as a Seattle Sonic, he and they announced and number 30, Patrick Yoak. He did that because it was, hold on. Are you comparing Patrick Ewing? He did not talk his way out of New York. That was the hell he did. He did way out of New York, that was what New York chose.

The hell he did it, that's the reason why they traded him. David, this is my wheelhouse now, this is my wheelhouse. Patrick Ewing was like, pay me a gajillion dollars. The Knicks were like, you're 100 years old and you just broke your wrist and you tore your Achilles and did all these things, we don't wanna do that. So then he said, well then trade me. And then he ends up getting traded to Seattle

in a three-way deal that sends Glenn Rice from the Lakers to the Knicks. I just, I- It was one of the worst trades in the history of the Knicks. Sure. The fact that they took back assets for that when they just could have let him go. Sure.

He just didn't want to be let go. So the Knicks moved him. But without debating Patrick Ewing, we're talking about how the Knicks handled his return. He did not leave an ablaze of hatred and rancor when it came to his relationship with the public and with the Knicks the way Jimmy did. Jimmy had been suspended, I can't remember,

I mean, is it twice or three times during the course of this season alone? Yes, but- It was not like that with Patrick. But that was a Miami Heat decision, right? Miami Heat took, and I'm not saying it was the right decision or the wrong decision, I'm just saying it's very, very rare the path that they took, not only to suspend them, but then to choose to fine him through the rules of the CBA

at the higher fine amount than what is a typical suspension. So that was more about the heat, the heat behaving in a way that was unorthodox in the situation than about Jimmy Butler doing something that was highly unheard of. You can't say something's unorthodox actually when it's in the four corners of a CBA. You know that. You have to operate within the confines. I know, no, no, but it's actually bargain. Don't play verbal gymnastics with me.

When I say unorthodox, you know what I mean? I'm not saying they went outside of the rules of the CBA. I'm saying they took a path that is least taken among teams who are faced with that kind of situation, which happens yearly in our league. Nobody takes the path that they took, but they took it. It was well within their right to, but we all know that's not a recourse. In the same way that David, if you took my sandwich out of the fridge, I could call the cops and say theft. And it would be within my right to say this guy stole my lunch even

though it had my name on it, even though we know that most people are just grown up enough to handle it without turning it into a 911 call. I mean, it would be petty larceny at best unless you got his amazing sandwich from the deli. That's my point, David. What Jimmy Butler did was grand theft auto. Oh man, you're- It's not just that he missed a plane.

GTA? This was a pattern of behavior over the course of years. Even when they were winning, you had a heat organization that couldn't stand him. You're playing a semantics game right now. I'm telling you that a lot of the rancor, or there was a good amount of rancor that was created by how the heat

reacted to the situation, and I'm not saying that they were wrong to do that. I'm just saying it's part of the pie that was baked. And so when you talk about, hey, Patrick Ewing, or John Condon never does that. I'm like, well, he did it for Patrick Ewing. He was like, well, Patrick Ewing didn't leave in bad terms. Yes, he did.

It wasn't cuddly as a guy. It was great. Hey, no, we got you too, Patrick. Have fun. It wasn't like that. Both sides were kind of hurt because the Knicks wanted him to retire Nick. And he was like, I want to get paid paid and he ended up leaving as a result and so

But yet when he came back they did not say F that guy who the hell does he think he is that he should get paid you know what? Just say his name regular John Do that because it doesn't take much to just do the thing So everyone gives a good nice golf clap and then if you want to boo every time he touches it after that, you're well within your right. No one booed Patrick Ewing when he touched the ball as a member of any team. He was celebrated every single time. It's just a bad example.

I do know there are players that we could have mentioned. You could have mentioned you could have mentioned a Latrella Spreewell as an example. But Patrick Ewing to me was just a bad example. We seem to have dueling wheelhouses here and I'd like to get to the bottom of it. I'd like to see who's got the better wheelhouse here between Amin and David Sampson. And even though it's not the most current thing to talk about today, who's got it right

when it came to Patrick Ewing? Is it Amin, who knows his basketball history, or is it David Sampson, who was a heckler at one time, who would sit in the stands and legitimately heckle Nick's basketball team? And they booed Patrick Ewing while he was a Nick, at one time, who would sit in the stands and legitimately heckle Knicks basketball team. And they booed Patrick Owen while he was a Knick, by the way. So we're gonna do that one.

I would never heckle the Knicks. That's incorrect, actually. I would only heckle the road teams because I was lucky enough to sit two rows behind the owners of every team that came into the garden. And it was about 20 feet from the visitors' bench. So Charles Barkley's given me the finger and threatened to fight me.

And it's been a whole, it was a whole part of my life. It was a Robin, oh God, I'm having a moment on live TV. Robin Thicker. I was gonna say Robin Thicker. Thicker? Thicker with an F. Thicker. You know why I knew that?

Because it's my wheelhouse. I think he's gonna out wheelhouse you here. He got him, he got him there, he got him. I think he's gonna out wheelhouse you here. Samson, I think you've met your match here. Like whatever you think you know here, you don't know. This is hallowed ground right here. Like you want to talk about the World Cup or something else like cricket?

Well, OK, I'll concede. In the 80s and 90s, NBA, that's my wheelhouse. That's before I was ever in the sports business. I was so deep into the NBA that I can talk about Larry Demick all night long, Lionel Richie. Please don't. Please don't. I can do whatever you want, but you don't accuse me of not having an NBA wheelhouse.

What I'm accusing both of you of here, because it feels like you guys are misremembering a whole lot of things. The money got in Patrick Ewing's way as well. The endings on these things are never, they're hardly ever what you want them to be. Like that's, it is so very hard to break up with an aging superstar.

Dan, you know what this is like? This is like the Seinfeld episode where he had the perfect breakup and no one believed him. Like, what? No, that doesn't happen. Like no. No, we really both looked at it. We're just friends. We're just friends This is nothing like a Seinfeld episode Isn't it actually is is it this episode at least? Guys notice that a record number of college players entered a transport order yesterday and said what the what transfer portal?

That's what that was. That's a true story, Billy. What a crazy thing that they have the portal open during the tournament when we should be focusing on the Sweet 16. And you all got what you want. You wanted players to get paid. You wanted them to be in the union. Now 700 plus of them go into the portal. It's crazy. You and Skipper were arguing about this and it seemed like one of the best arguments i've seen between you two because uh... you do a great job on the sporting class with pablo torre and john skipper talking about sports business and he said something that got aggregated which is

that march madness and all this stuff can go to pay per view and you can stop nl entirely the entire mess of free market capitalism. Not surprising that he would want some governance over that. I was surprised to hear you say, no, freedom for everybody. Well, that's actually always been my position, Dan. I'm the one who fought with the union in baseball. I wanted players to get free agency immediately and have it every single year. And now, a player in baseball, they have to be with the team for six years before they get free agency immediately and have it every single year. And now a player in baseball, they have to be with the team

for six years before they get free agency. And the union would never agree to it because they thought that players wouldn't be able to earn their pay each year. And you'd be actually losing money as a player to do that. And I was willing to say always be free. And that's what college players are. They are free agents. Even when they sign long longterm NIL deals,

if they're not paid or there's any way to get into the portal, which there is, they just go to the next highest bidder. And what Skipper was saying is what he wants is just a super conference. He wants Yankees Red Sox every day, every game on national television. He wants North Carolina Duke every game, every round of every series, every round of every series

and every round of the NCAA tournament. And to me, one of the exciting things are the upsets. And what he countered with is that an upset would be anybody who's not favored. If it's North Carolina Duke and North Carolina is favored by five and Duke wins, that's an upset that would make fans happy. And I just had a fundamental

disagreement. It's really fun to root for the underdog during these tournaments. David, I have to agree with you. I think that someone did this years ago, I think about 10 years ago, but what is the perfect formula for March Madness? And the perfect formula is first couple of days, upsets, we get to sweet 16. I want to say you want two or three Cinderella's We get to sweet 16. I want to say you want two or three Cinderella's by the elite eight Maybe one by final four you want four blue bloods So there is an element you need that little bit of people like wow st. Mary's really making a run But by the time we get to the end we don't want to know the numbers are good on this tournament Everybody wants the action its uniforms running up and down and it's all a lot of fun

But when you're talking about some of the stuff that you guys are talking about which is the business of this that keeps becoming more and more expensive with streaming and more and more isolated the solution Fragment and I should say when John skipper says the solution is stop what you're doing now and make it something that is is stop what you're doing now and make it something that is pay-per-view and have it be something that is more Organized as a made-for-television event his quote specifically was why wouldn't you create four super conferences 64 teams? And that's your governing body who else has a governing body, which is an independent third party Why don't four college conferences go? Hey, we're going to do our own basketball tournament, 64 teams. We'll sell that for $1.5 billion and we'll divide that amongst our schools and we'll further separate the haves from the have nots.

It is shocking to me what a socialist capitalist he is pretending to be in that instance. And that was part of what we talked about on the sporting class was that it's hard to have it both ways the way he wants it. So I hear that quote and I heard it live Jeremy and I just tried to push back a little bit and talk about a world where that exists because wouldn't you look at the U.S. and argue that there's a world where it's a really few number of haves and a real big number of have nots and how is it that you are coming to grips with that and he's suggesting that there is a college basketball formula and football and professional sports formula where you are focused solely on the haves.

Well when you ask how does that working out for the haves it's working out great in this country right there billion like rich people are richer than they've ever been before but I want to ask you David did you ever watch the documentary on Apple TV or Apple plus about the Super League in? In Europe about how they try to create a Super League because American businessmen came in and said hey Chelsea. Hey, man You why are you guys like in this UEFA thing make your own thing keep all the money and then what ended up happening was the grassroots like fandom was so upset by this massive departure from what was tradition that they upended the whole thing. It ruined the business deal and everyone got scared

and backed out. That would have been a great business deal was ruined by you can't do that to the customer. It can't be that, the greed and the capitalism can't be that overt. That was the line. Right, but at the time I remember watching him like yeah of course in Europe because they stick to their you know you know standards of traditions way more than we do here we are much more malleable people that's

why we have a lot more convenient things here than in Europe but having said that I wonder if this would have been the line David do you think the people would have risen up and say no, I'm a Duke fan. I'm a North Carolina fan. I don't want to go to this weird Super League thing. I want to play. I want to watch Wolford have a chance to kind of play one of us. So what's interesting about that, and yes, of course, I've seen it and covered it.

What fascinated, do you remember who led that? It was led by the American owners of EPL teams who were trying to do things like John Henry couldn't do as owner of the Red Sox, cause he doesn't have the votes, cause he would do it right now today. He would create a super league and major league baseball. And when he do it with his penguins, you know, wait to see, but in terms of baseball,

that's what he's wanted. Why would, except when he owned the Marlins, why would I pay money for teams to beat me when I can just keep paying the teams around me who are as big as I am, and we can keep a bigger share of the money? And what we used to say to him, John, what happened to you?

I can't believe how you've changed given what you now own versus what you did. But do you think that your revenue would be the same if your schedule was that you played the Yankees, Dodgers and Cubs 50 times each in 150 game season? So the argument has always been that you need to have a full league. And what John Skipper was saying is, was sort of an amalgam of the concept, which is keep it at 64 teams, but forget these automatic bids from these ridiculous conferences that no one's ever heard of.

Forget Yale having an opportunity to beat Texas A&M in the first round. Just keep it to the four main conferences. So then what happens, Amin, is the ACC and Big East say, here's an idea, why don't we merge? This was Dan Hurley thinking about this, talking to Coach K. Let's form a 29 team conference

and see if we can't be the big man on campus. And so where everybody is simply going to is, they want the lion's share of the money, the year in which they deserve it, and they don't think about the years in which they stink. And that's how this happens. It's been one year, okay? It's a super small sample size,

but Chalk won and it was not madness It was it wasn't what it usually is for buzzer beaters and upsets and everything else 12 over a 5 is not any kind of rare it often happens. So there weren't any stunners and Jay will Williams says That NIL has ended the Cinderella based on this year. That seems to me like that wouldn't have any tethers to truth, it's a one sample size situation. But is there a chance that this keeps happening this way

because of money differences in the sport? Like what, it seems like an overreaction that he's saying this one year that's an aberration. I'd like to jump in for a second David. Number one, a couple years ago Miami went to a Final Four fueled off of just snorting pure uncut NIL. Right? Like that's how they did it.

And some other stuff. Right? The NIL and the transport portal actually accelerates this because people are going to be able to bring up a bag of money and say, look, let me go after this kid who, for whatever reason, didn't get enough touches or enough shots or enough minutes in his situation, and it's going to create more randomness. I think, you know, to pretend like this is a result

of NIL, first of all, this is not the first year of NIL, this is not first year transfer portal. To me, it's just gonna increase the randomness. What do you think, David? It's two things. One, it's just going to increase the randomness. What do you think, David? It's two things. One, it's people saying that Yankees Dodgers were in the World Series last year. Look how broken baseball is. But the year before was the Rangers and Diamondbacks. So you certainly can't look at a one year sample. And the second thing I would offer you is we talked about Steph Curry earlier in the show today. Steph Curry has made a commitment that he wants to see, and I mean, this is not my wheelhouse, Davidson.

He wants to see them become a force. If he wants to pour in the type of money required to do the type of recruiting to make Davidson look like and feel like Duke, I'm all for that. Let him do that for his alma mater and let teams decide which years they're going to really go for it or not. That makes it like any other league where sometimes you're winning, sometimes you're losing, but never be in the middle. Howdy everybody, it's Mike Ryan. Have you heard of

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to see who has the greater wheelhouse. It's one of the most pathetic things to ever happen around here, but they're both entrenched in their positions that they know more about the Patrick Ewing era than the other one does. Before I do that though, I want to ask you, the group as well, have any of you seen Adolescents on Netflix? Literally just talking about them on the last episode, Dan. I don't know if you want to spoil it. Have you seen the whole thing yet? I have, yes.

Spoiler Wednesday, so be careful. It doesn't come out on Sundays on Sundays also we can't talk about it alright So anyway, this is one of the most popular shows on Netflix and David. I need you to what happened David What do you it's it's already all out? What do you mean an episode is coming out on Sunday? No, no, I'm saying it didn't cuz we talked about White Lotus for spoiler Wednesday So the shows that come out Sunday the spoiler day is when he's just worried in general our audience has reacted very poorly to me Particularly ruining shows because I told them all that Goggins came out with his penis what? So Wednesday, it's okay. It was Isaac's by the way no no no no Isaac's is a different thing That's a different thing about Goggins on righteous gemstone. I'm talking, yes. You're talking about White Lotus.

Get your front, get your penises right, David, okay? Please, thank you. I would appreciate it. I would like to be trying to be serious. No, you're smug though, you're smug, okay? I was talking about a different penis, and you're like, no, no, I know which penis you're talking about.

Let me correct you with my penis. It's annoying. I have no illusion that I'm anything other than Jewish. I would like to just point out. You've got an illusion. You never heard that? I don't want to do this.

Literally never heard that. I don't want to do this. You brought it up, Dan. I brought it up. You did bring up the penis. You're talking about penises. Not yours. I was not talking about yours in any way.

Didn't care about yours. Wasn't asking about yours. I'm not talking about yours in any way, didn't care about yours, wasn't asking about yours. Wait, I'm curious what just happened. I sort of didn't really understand it. I heard penis. Then I heard Jewish. I heard something about Jewish penises and my ears perked up.

Samson, can you extrapolate? Well, I can only elongate the segment if you'd like me to, but the fact is that it is thought to be that Jewish men do not have large penises. That's been the expression, and people often say, hey, I'm Jewish only from the waist up. Wow. Well, that's not my experience.

Mine either. Shout out to Lehman, huh? Mystery Crateheads, no. Can we talk about adolescence for two minutes here without spoiling it? Yeah, yeah, let's talk about it. Don't spoil it though. Again, I'm on the last episode. I'm halfway through the last episode, David, Can we talk about adolescence for two minutes here without spoiling it? Don't spoil it though. Again, I'm on the last episode. I'm halfway through the last episode, David, where they're driving in the car and there's that long scene of them driving in the car. Okay, that is so did you know watching this show that the father is also the writer? Did you know that going into it?

I did not. I know he's in Peaky Blinders, and I love them in Peaky Blinders. OK, so Stephen Graham wrote a four episode arc called Adolescents, and he cast a kid who had never acted before. That kid was so good, David. I was stunned. I get so mad at child actors for being cruddy and things that I would otherwise like, because it's hard to be a good child actor.

That kid was so good. He had never acted before. That's insane. And one of the rules, he had never taken an acting class. When they did the casting, and Stephen Graham has gone public with this, we would not look at video or tape or auditions of anyone who had any acting experience of any kind.

Like in your eighth grade school play, I would have been eliminated for doing my sister Eileen in seventh grade. This guy, Steven Graham said, we're gonna find a kid who is completely, my sister Eileen, is that an old reference too, Danny, you making fun of that? I mean, no, I didn't make fun of anything,

but Tony made a face. I maled what? Tony made a face. Look, David, David. Is that come on, Eileen? What am I gonna do? David, your every segment for so long is that. As you say things like that,

and Tony has a look like that, and it's everybody because yes, that was the correct way to react to that reference. Go ahead, tell us about your sister, Eileen. Go ahead. No, no, that's the name of to react to that reference. Go ahead, tell us about your sister Eileen, go ahead. It's, no, no, that's the name of the show. I know. It's a play. My sister Eileen, go ahead.

Who's on first, David? What? What's on second? The fact of the, him, him? Him, what are you doing? Him, what are you, no, wait a minute. Wait a minute. I miss Greg Coney. You would love this episode.

Wait a minute. I don't know who's on third. What was that? What was that? That was Akbar Demistique right there. Him, him. That was me losing a fiver is what that was. No, that's a bigger fine than that, I feel like.

I feel like that. You can't make up the fines. They're agreed to. Well. So CBA yeah we have a set fine that people are supposed to pay into the Venmo bucket and what I just did was a word garble and a word garble is a fiver is it are we finding for what's got five on it don't worry about it all right so five dollars so you were saying about adolescents. I was saying that what, to Tony, that what they did with this kid is they brought him in

and they just said, they gave him the script and they just started talking to him and saying, can you read some lines? They cast him and he ends up giving what is probably the best performance by a child actor without recency bias or hyperbole that you'll see in your life. And will he grow up to be an amazing actor

and to be Daniel Day-Lewis or Denzel Washington? Who knows, but he'll always have adolescence. But the reason to watch the show is that it is an, and I watched it with subtitles, even though it's in English, because there's so many references that Stephen Graham makes in the dialogue. It is really about how you deal with a child

and how you deal with the internet and how you deal with thinking that you know what your child's doing when they close their door and how kids, we all used to close our doors when we were growing up, except when we closed our doors, we were maxed from where the wild things are. It was just our imagination. Now kids, when they closed our doors, we were maxed from where the wild things are. It was just our imagination. Now kids, when they close their doors,

it's actually opening a door to the entire world. And it's scary, don't do it to me, Dan. Don't tell me it's on. No, Jessica was laughing about, I don't know what Jessica was laughing about. I wanna know what she was laughing about. Sorry, no, I just, some people only need their imagination sometimes.

What wild things are. Are we gonna argue over the point that kids, when they're sent to their rooms with electronic devices have access to more things than when I was growing up and got sent to my room, it's a different world and parents are on the other side of the door, not understanding what's actually happening with a child. No, we're not gonna argue over that. That is very true. I agree with you.

And it should scare the bejesus out of us. And when you watch this four episode arc, you are seeing a manifestation of what could be happening in your very own house with your own kids. And it is horrifying. And it's not a horror movie. It is horrifying, but it is so well done, so well acted. And I horrifying and it's not a horror movie It is horrifying but it is so well done so well acted and I just think it's critical that you all watch it David quick Question because I haven't watched the show Are you telling me in the show the kid gets like sent to his room for punishment and they let him take like his iPad With him no, no, I'll answer that for you. No, okay All right So this is that just so that I can tell the audience what the show is, because

it's worth watching. It's shot very well, differently, a lot of lingering shots, one shots, and the child actor is extraordinary. But where you arrive, if you're a parent watching this, is on the playing of probabilities as a parent, you don't guarantee yourself anything and whatever guilt you have is just failing as a parent to its its heartbreaking and it'll it'll reach you what this is trying to tell the story of it's not

sending a kid to his room and bad things are happening there in a simplistic sense without spoiling the movie a child is capable of murder and you don't know it because you think you know your child what happened wait you guys had no idea with electronic you like that's exactly a spoiler Dan to be fair okay and I'm on your side on this it is Wednesday it is Wednesday but yeah look at the if you look at the description on Netflix The hook is there's something that happens where somebody's murdered. That's all I even knew about that show at this point

So yeah, let's defend it. You're good Of the show I don't think it's... The way we were doing this, if you guys told me on Wednesdays, I could say whatever I want. I can't say anything. I can't say what I want any other day. That's not a Sunday show. On Wednesdays, I can say whatever I want. Sunday show. Also, we had a strong four-minute prelude to that spoiler.

So anyone who's watching Adolescence hasn't got to that part, and you're like, oh, let me keep listening. That's your fault. It's also within the first six seconds of the show. Yes. So you're OK. You're clear. You're good. We should probably get back to Jimmy Butler.

No, no, no. Are you sure? We could. Come on. I'd love to. Dave, that third episode, the third episode, which is mostly focused on the young boy, his acting was incredible. So for you to tell me that he's never done acting before,

he's never taken a class before, third episode is is solely focused on him and what happens in where he's at with whom he's with and it's like Holy shit Tony there could be two Emmys there Billy. I'm sorry. There could be two Emmys one in that episode three Yes, both the therapist and the boy. Yes, so can I ask you as a question? So spoiler alert spoiler Wednesday Wednesday, spoiler alert. Turn off, and I can't spoil anything because I don't know, I'm just asking questions here. So this kid is never taking acting classes,

but he played the role perfectly of a little kid that turned out to be a murderer. Well, we don't know. We should probably start talking to someone. We don't know if he did it. If the kid's never learned how to act like a murderer and just naturally takes it up, I think we need to talk to someone.

Billy, as someone who also hasn't watched the show Let me answer your question some people are just born with it some people can become a character that they're not so convincingly that even local media people might be Suede to write things about these people they're gifted and we should cherish and praise them and really encourage I hope this kid has foster it. Yeah, yeah like hey you should do more of this kid you should have more opportunities like this and you should be compensated while you're still on the outside yeah I mean Amin is a top-tier actor we know that it's a it's a mean 1a Greg Cody 1b in terms of actors so he could've been Goggins Dan

yeah two movies what can I David, the baseball season is starting and I don't know whether I could muster any enthusiasm from Billy on the baseball season because of the state of the Marlins. Well, let me give you a way to do it. Tomorrow, all eyes are on Marlins Park. It's the best pitching matchup in all of baseball happening only moments from your studio right now

at about 4 10 PM. It may be sold out, but I bet there's tickets on the secondary market. But Paul Skeens of the Pittsburgh Pirates, who is the favorite to win the Cy Young Award as a second year player coming off his rookie of the year and third or second place finish last year, Jeremy, I don't remember which,

is going against Sandy Alcantara, who's coming back from injury, who's been locked in already. This is a matchup that you're not gonna get often throughout the season, whether you're a Dodger, Yankee, Mets fan, whoever you are, that's an unbelievable game. You may not have heard of the position players

for the Marlins or the Pirates, but the good old fashioned starting pitching matchup, get yourself to Marlins Park tomorrow for opening day. They're also selling, I think, special ticket packages where you can get a commemorative shirt of the matchup. David, wouldn't you guys sometimes do things where you would pitch your ace day two

because you knew you were gonna sell out opening day and then it's like, well, you can see Jose game two though. No, you wanna line up your rotation to, you want to line up your rotation for your best pitcher to start the first game. And we would always go against the other team's best pitcher and we knew it. And remember all the talk about who's your opening day starter.

It doesn't really matter because the rotations change so much during the course of the season, but no, you want your best out there no matter what opening day. Nothing personal is the name of the podcast. He does it daily, uh, beginning live every day at 8 AM. Thank you, David. Thank you. So I've been trying to be a little healthier here at the start of the year.

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