The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: The Remarkable Belt Revelation

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

Two heartbreaking losses for basketball fans in Miami lead the conversation after the Blue Blood Canes were taken down by Kentucky and the Heat dropped their In-Season Tournament game to Damian Lillard and the Bucks. Then, the cast of Oddball (Amin Elhassan & Charlotte Wilder) join us and it leads us to an unbelievable moment of unity around the use of belts. Plus, Airplane Repo, Amin's new friend, Knicks fans need a fake title, and the potential end of the Golden State Warriors as Klay Thompson's play diminishes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. Welcome to the big suite presented by Giraffe King. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants, just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries

that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. Welcome to the big Sui, more national in scope, but last night was a pretty terrible night down here in South Florida sports.

I'm glad you asked. There was a heart-breaking close loss in Kentucky for the blue-blooded Miami Hurricanes. That'll happen. On the slight bump in the road, that'll happen to blue blood programs. Yeah, you'll lose a close game in Kentucky, you move on with your season.

You cost me money. Credit to Kentucky. They made all their season. You cost me money credit to Kentucky They made all their shots right did you know that read Shepard's parents were at that game at no clue Man oh man did the entire storyline and I imagine Kentucky do they love the just the look of shepherd just the look of it Yeah, but you know a lot of a lot of upside down use but again close loss You can't hold that against them 22 points Mike. I mean, that's a couple positions Florida panthers Tough one north of the border they get a point. That's difficult

But they had actually won the game on a penalty shot But there was a video review that ruled I think correctly that Rodriguez hit the puck twice You can't hit the penalty shot twice. Where's Rodriguez with an S at the end? Uh, and then Toronto goes on one. It still counts. What does Tony? It still counts. What's the matter? It's something like a set. Put it on the pole, please. Is there something about una seta?

But the, uh, the national TNT game featured a local team in the Miami Heat. Uh, I cannot tell you the grudge that I am now harboring against Jimmy Butler for not toughing it out for the NC's internament. He should be ashamed of himself. Seriously, a game that big with all those stakes and IST game and he sits out. I mean, I think yesterday with everything

that was going on with the NC's internament showed why it's not a bad idea because you can hate on it all you want last night in the NBA was made vastly more interesting because of the internment stakes that we have assigned to it because you know yes this is not only a loss against the Milwaukee bucks which got a hate going up against Damien Lillard in crunch time when I'm throwing Josh Richardson at him. Like, that is just not the future I envisioned for myself entering this season. That was a great basketball game.

That was a fun basketball game. That game had a ton of energy on it. Bam is playing out of his mind. I'm very happy with my defensive player of the year ticket. There is not a lot of big men that can come out to the top of the three point line and I so up Damian Lillard. That was crazy. Yeah.

To watch that was Mike, I know he's done it. I'm not going to get used to it. I'm not going to normalize that BAM makes it so that Damian Lillard can't get a shot off when I'm already disoriented by the lack of normal and Shaq's yelling the last seven minutes of the game, here is when you go through Lillard. Yannis get out of the way, Lillard, Lillard, Lillard, the rest of the way and then they put BAM on him. That game was exceptionally fun

and on top of everything else because this part to me symbolically is just four R times amazing. The idea that you have to incentivize with yet more money for these guys to play with an intensity that isn't load management and that brings the crowd fever to a place where it feels like something between playoff basketball and regular season basketball because it's a playoff game Jimmy Butler would have been playing I guess I get a focus on bam because we have kind of become accustomed to him being able to do that this is

In our lifetimes one of the greatest clutch performers ever in Damien Lillard a guy that is known to be able to get a shot off from anywhere on the court Especially in those moments and for him to not be able to get a shot off, to have it stuffed by Bam who picked him up at the three point line, crazy, crazy athletic. I don't understand when I look at the odds of defensive player of the year. How he's like fourth or fifth, it just boggles the mind, but that was a great game. Hakez got some national recognition.

Everyone knows that this kid, he's a little bit older than your standard rookie, but this kid has got a ton of promise, has a big body, fits the heat culture quotes quite well, but I was really pissed off that we didn't see Jimmy Butler there. I thought for sure he'd turn it on and rub some dirt on it for this big game, that really stunk. And also you should fear the Bucks

because Chris Middleton becoming their third player. Oh, God. Their third best player in those moments is killer. Mike, I'm glad you brought up a Jaime Hakka's dream. He has the Zeta. He has the Zeta. But he has something else

and I'm ready to make an announcement here and now for Real Hooper Nation. Okay. Oh, wow. And now, when an announcement is announced, he's so close on. Right. What is it?

What is it? What is it? Are you the president of Real Hooper Nation? Tony and me are definitely in it. And now it's been announced. So hold on, no matter what it is, what is your interpretation? What is, are you the president of real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, Tony and me are definitely in it. Real Hoopers know has a nation and I am probably the spokesperson for real Hoopers nation on this national platform. Co-chair me. Might can maybe be a co-chair,

I have to see some of his credentials. The Wembee take is obviously not helping him. Well, I gotta take for you. I'm hoping you got the same take as Co-chair. So, what I was gonna say is, Jaime Hakez Jr. is saucy. Whoa! Same take.

He is saucy. Whoa! I co-sign on that, but here's my take. Okay. Jaime Hakez Jr. is the rookie of the year. Oh, come on. I love that mic set.

He's not your standard age for a rookie because he played four years in college Exactly Rookie should be a lot of change 1997 yes When he drove to the to the middle of the paint he remembers new metal he's 22 behind the back little stepway fade 20 also that was beautiful sauce Rookie the year not come on what do you mean come on? Thank you Billy and your honor I threw it out there I

Been on to this Evan Rodriguez by the way from Canada. I'm looking. I'm looking I mean you can be Latino from Canada his dad from Europe Spanish Hold on hold on can be Latino from Canada. Is that from Europe? So, well, is he Spanish? No, he's Spanish. Wait, hold on, hold on. Hold on. Tony, are you Spanish? Tony, are you saying no?

You cannot be. I'm saying that the chances of you having a Rodriguez with an S is more likely that you're either Brazilian Portuguese or somewhere in that nation, right, in that nationality, more so than it is Hispanic. Okay. Is he Native American the need a seta. But is he Native American the same way that that five-year-old, that five-year-old, is he Hispanic the same way that that five-year-old-

Like, he started Canada, so he's not Native American. Yeah. That is not one you want to fumble your way through, Danny. Like, I'm Google living in the country, he has Native American. I don't know what you're going for. What I was going for is a call back on the joke to the five year old at the chiefs game. At least it wasn't a dangerous one. And I was looking for his actual name

because they're claiming he's Native American, but his first name is Alchro-A-Holden. And so I was confused by that. I have no reason not to believe the parents and everything. Like this whole thing makes me so sad and depressed because it's just internet rot brain and it's not a real discussion. Also, we were in a group chat with Pablo

and he correctly pointed out that head dresses in that stadium have been banned since 2020. So, and the pivot from the people that have been holding up and I do agree that the fact that this kid has become the face of something, the kid, a five year old, allegedly or whatever, child shouldn't be the face of really anything. I find it wholly unfair,

but the franchise and the NFL had banned that garb, regardless of, maybe he applies a context at gate check-in, like, no, I'm actually Native American and I'm celebrating my heritage. I don't really care. I don't know how this has become a thing. In the year of our Lord, 2023, where Deadspin is back in, just because it was a headline grabber,

and you get associated with it because it was a retweet, I'm very confused by all of this. It's all very dumb to me. Well, but this is the thing about the word dumb, right? Because I found that a lot of these discourses descend into the following, right? Whenever it is that you say internet brain rot or stupid or dumb, whenever someone feels that headed their way, conversationaly, the defensiveness starts, the fight starts, when you start telling them that their belief system is dumb and the other thing that's in play here is whenever you throw the word racist around too, that something is racist.

The part that's confusing to me about some of this, if you want to actually discuss it, honestly, if you want to not do this in bad faith, I remember in the 1990s, you got to the beginning of the 1990s, I'm at the Atlanta Braves, Minnesota Twins World Series. And outside of that world series, about nine or ten people, Native Americans, are protesting the Atlanta Tomahawk chop. And I went over there to just talk to them and then was just made sad that they weren't being heard. And so when this conversation gets this angry, this divisive, when it is being used as a platform

for victimhoods to gods, like it's, you have right now in Donald Trump, you have somebody who, the one thing he hasn't had as a white person is victimhood and now he wants victim't had as a white person is victimhood, and now he wants victimhood too as a platform. When you start trying to take away the power from the powerful that they've already had by simply saying, hey I object to this can you hear me out on this? And they hear it as this is offensive, this is

stupid, this is racist, and they hear it as an argument. We get to the point where we are now where no one actually wants to discuss this stuff anymore because they're not equal in fair fights, they're not honest fights, they're not honest debates or disagreements. Wait a second. You were at the Jack Borers game. I was. What?

Yes. Oh my God. I think one of the all-time great starts in majorly baseball history Perhaps the greatest start in majorly baseball history. That was this takes could not be any higher That was it that was your takeaway I'm gonna share my personal experience with this story I saw it online and I didn't even notice the face paint. I swear I just assumed that's you know It's fan colors and I just noticed a headd, because I saw two stills, the end zone,

which said, end racism, and a child wearing a head dress, which is loaded, and I thought that that was the entire thing. And then a couple of days later, I find out that the people that are holding this kid up and making him a victim, which I kind of agree, he is a victim in all of this. They're ignoring the headdress, which is the only thing that I really saw the first time. And the only time that they're actually paying attention to the headdress, and they don't

understand this is, okay, let's take everybody further word, the child is of Native American ancestry. Well, that absolves it. So you actually see what the issue is here, right? Yeah. So, no wait, now it's convenient that someone is Native American. Well, how could it be offensive

if he's Native American? Then you're already conceding that the headdress is an issue if he's not. The part though that is frustrating conversational about this, and this is the part I won't get to get, if somebody, anybody tells you, hey, I'm sensitive about this. this is the part I won't get to got if somebody anybody tells you hey I'm sensitive about this. This is to my people. This is something that's objectionable

I'm not yelling at you about it those people protesting outside this was 30 years ago's to got outside the Jack Morris game Like they they were asking they were they were requesting for he tossed 10 shut out ittings man It was incredible not nine not the standard nine jack went 10 he tossed 10 shut out ittings in a game seven and won the twins the world series I mean that's when baseball was baseball damn right gene larket a little base hit I mean wow gene larket. Don libattard. Were you guys building out the a rod bathroom of your imaginations? Is that what I heard you discussing during the break?

Towels with an A on them. You know the thing you slide the toilet paper on? That's a baseball bat. Hey, like that. Still gots. You think he actually calls it the throne? Probably does. It's an actual throne. An actual throne.

An actual throne, dude. There's gotta be a full length mirror in there somewhere. I imagine somewhere in his house he has a replica of David, but with his head on it. This is the Don Limita show with this two guts. The crew from Oddball has thundered into the room. You've got the star of the show Charlotte Wilder and also a mean L Hassan is here. Oddball is every day except for Mondays.

Do you guys why were you giggling to yourself before the microphones came on here? You were just where you looked. Just a meme was moving your pants. There was a belt. I was thinking about belts. I don't wear belts anymore. I don't need a belt. I don't like belts, belts getting away. When you say you don't wear belts anymore, have you transitioned to like drawstring pants?

No, no. Listen, I've arrived at an age right now, if the pants fall down, they fall down, it's just a belt is like one extra thing I don't need, they're not making waist 35, 35 inch waist anymore like they used to. And so I probably need a belt, but I'm not wearing a belt because I've stopped caring about myself. Can I give you a suggestion where the pants have a belt in them that you never take off? Get out of here.

They just, you just keep the belt in there. That's the move I have. I have multiple belts. They're already in the jeans. So whenever I pull out the jeans, I put them on, they already have a belt. Wow. I'm not looping any belts anymore, okay? I'm really embarrassed to say this is killing me, but I wouldn't be an honest journalist if I didn't say, I also do this. Yeah.

Jess is about to be so disappointed. Uh-huh. It's good to be back. You just take your pants off and just leave them there with the belt on. Yes, I do too. What if you have this? Wow, there are dozens of amazing me too.

Why have separate belts for separate pants? So you have one belt for a specific pair of pants? Yes, I love it. This is so lazy. You can't even unloop the belt from a belt buckle. Why? Like the God said, you can't fold them and put them away if there's a belt on. You know what?

You actually can. Well, actually, no, I do have one pair of pants I have to hang because the belt is too stiff, but the other one those fold up real nice. So you just drop crowd and that's it. Yes. Yeah, actually this morning, I forgot to put my sneakers on. But boy, I put my sneakers on

Like You say they're overworking me Everyday Except for Monday so I'm on saying when did you notice when in the proceedings? Did you notice something feels all notice something feels all something when you walk outside I got both shoes on and I walked over to the bathroom to do my to like check that my face is okay and I was like I was like it's cold it was cold I had Charlotte like

patting her pockets to make sure she's got her phone in her keys and like wait a second we're in my pocket just underpants so it's just skin then it becomes you check your mouth you realize you don't have pants on because you're like, wait a minute, I feel skin, the Stugots admission here though. The Stugots admission that I find a little practically impossible to believe is if indeed they're not making 34s and 35 wastes away they used to and you're not wearing a belt

Then your pants have to be falling off your shorts have to be falling off because if you've outgrown This your body shape is gonna make it so if you're walking around the belt It the practical purpose of the belt. I know you weren't using it for fashion No, the practical purpose of the belt is to hold your pants up. It's needed. Yes. Were you guys like me when I was younger, and this is like a weird mission, I didn't need a belt. My body held my pants up.

Good. If they were gonna go down, there were things that stopped them from going down. So I don't need a belt until later in the day. Deep hips? Yeah, but hips, yeah, right. I'm fine without the belt until we hit like noon, 12, 12, 31 o'clockclock and then if I start walking up stairs

Which I never do I try to avoid stairs at all costs the pants start falling down So I'm good until about noon one o'clock and then in the afternoon as the jeans start to stretch out a little bit I wish I had my belt no, it's not the jeans stretching out It's that you're seated here for five hours not walking around long distances and if you had to walk more distance your pants would start falling. I do really like Dan being like so concerned with the belt while he's dressed like this. He's like, it's just like what? Just like what? I don't notice any. Stukats is making an admission that I did not think that he had in him.

And I don't know when this started, because he did say to us just moments ago, I'm done with belts. He made an announcement. And I don't know how you can be if your body is changing in a way that makes your pants fall down. The pants are changing, Dan, I'm not changing. This is also by the way where pockets are not your friend.

Like, if you load up your pockets, they right-hated working against you. Yep. You gotta be judicious with how much and what you can put in your pants. Very light. I have not been able and none of us have been able to talk. What's wrong with these people?

What do you mean, stuff in your pockets are pulling down your pants? Oh, no, that video of me, that they always play that makes it look like I'm chasing after an ice cream truck because I'm just sprinting. I am wearing shorts there that have the microphone in the pocket.

The pocket. Yeah, the packet is so heavy. People think that I have to run holding up my shorts because the packet for the microphone that's so heavy, so you can hear my heavy breathing makes it look like I run while holding up my shorts which makes me look even less athletic than I am. I had a phase when I was in college,

it's actually when I was interning here that I took the drawstring out of my pajama pants and was using that as a belt on jeans. It was still comfortable. What? Comfortable. So comfortable. You were using the pajama draw string on hard pants. Yeah, it was a solid, I call jeans.

It was a solid gray. Yeah. I used to use a shoelace. I'm with Billy on the... See, what a shoelace. We're gonna see that here. Tony, a second ago, you just said, what is wrong with all of you?

Again, different phase, different time. Like, this was probably around like what, 2012, 2011? Yeah. Were you guys riding the railroads? What are you hobos? Did you have like your belongings? All of you again different phase different time like this is probably around like what 2012 2011 somewhere on there Where you guys riding the railroads? What are you hobos? Did you have like your belongings? It was it was the vibe it was the vibe a little bag attached to a stick Where you struggling with poverty could you not afford about a good or a bad guy with a killing a stand up? Was it a fashion style? It was a fashion choice at the time. What?

It actually swore on off belts. I don't wear any belts ever. Thank you. Yeah. It was a fashion choice at the time. It was a popular thing to wear a shoelace. There's no way a shoelace is fitting around a pair of pants. It did.

Well, that your waist since you say that it's no longer a 34 or 35. I thought of Billy the other day because he is more than anyone around here. Reality show obsessed. And I had to stop on a television show simply because of the name of it, because I didn't think it could possibly be about what the name of it suggested that it was about. And the name of the show was Airplane repo. I'm in.

No. Sounds great. And it is what you think it is. It's basically dog the bounty hunter for retrieving and this is the episode I was watching in this case, a helicopter. It wasn't even an airplane, but I was still curious, and I would imagine that this show would become redundant after time, and it had a little bit of that

South Beach towing field to the show where it's built up. The east was a legend. It felt like it might have been a little bit fake and stuff, but I'm actually curious as to how you go about repossessing in modern American 2023 when you can absolutely scam your way into an airplane and then have it repossessed. I was actually curious whether Billy would follow that show or whether that's a one-time watch.

No, I'm looking it up right now. So there's four seasons. There's four seasons of this? Yes. How do I watch this? As someone very into both transportation and reality shows, this feels right up my alley. Well, how into transportation would you say you are?

A good question. Pretty into it. OK. But that's all she's got on the matter. We're doing it. She's very passionate about it. She doesn't have any more information on it. On the topic of reality shows, there She's very passionate about it. She doesn't have any more information on that.

On the topic of reality shows, there is a new reality show that's coming out on Fox that I just find completely staggering. The title is We Are Family. Have you guys heard of it? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It's another singing show. It's another singing show,

but this isn't, hey, let's discover an unknown singer like on the voice. This isn't, hey, let's figure out who this person actually is, like the mass singer. This is people come up and then they sing, and then the judges have to guess based on the way they're singing who they're related to. Yes.

You have to guess based on the sound of their voice, who they might be related to. Yes. They did a dating show based on this too. Or what was that about? It was like the celebrity, like, you know, your third cousin would be on a gas who the celebrity is that they're related to what is up with this trend this uh... this is what i believe i believe that c-cellabries big-time singers and stuff they have hangers on they have

people who are mucous and they say you know what you gotta get off your ass and make your own money on done bank rolling you and the cousin or the third cousin whatever says you know what i think got to get off your ass and make your own money. I'm done bankrolling you. And the cousin or the third cousin or whatever says, you know what? I think I've got an idea. And this is how they generate their own income. They're still mooching off of the name of the celebrity, but the celebrity doesn't have to execute them any money.

They're making their own money. Big difference. So, God, this is right up here, Ali. This is so stupid. It is. It was not that I don't think of it. There was a story that I saw recently that I think goes with Dan's reality show.

I read that someone had recently purchased Elvis Presley's private plane and the most interesting part about it is the private plane has been untouched for several decades. It's just been decaying in the middle of the desert. Someone paid $4.4 million for this plane. We have a photo of it right now. And the inside's all red velvet.

And it's sort of a time capsule. You see this TV with turning knobs on it and you almost buy it to see what kind of mystery. What did Elvis Presley hide inside of this plane? Airplane rehab. Me and Billy go out to the desert, rehab this airplane, make it fly again. Tony, somebody already bought it with it.

Right, but they need to rehab it, right? It's in Plants City, Florida. Yeah, they're gonna work. They definitely hire you. I think you should team up with the property brothers because those hacks. No, not hacks. No, it means friends. It's my friend now, Jonathan.

You think? No, I know. I know. He you reached out when After you met him just milling about the after you talked about meeting him after I thought about meeting him He sent a message and he was like how you know thought it was funny, you know, I was like oh, thank you And now me him and Zodashina we're all going out You were making fun of them when you were talking about not of them, not of them.

I was making fun of the gate agent who said, and I quote, every second counts. Every second counts. Give me a break. And now you are likes to got you. Consider yourself friends with one of the property brothers because they reached out via DM I learn from the best. That's all it takes. That's all it takes man, and I'm gonna parlay it all way into a show called airplane Rehab there it is

That airplane is only going the one that we just showed for 4.4 million dollars because it belongs to Elvis, right? It has no other course. I would pay five for a normal plan like that. I just I don't that that plane does not look like something that has any possibility of flight or any possibility of rehab. Wow. Why is it just been there the whole time?

In present state, no, but once the airplane rehabbers are done, let Tony spend some time with that point. Exactly right. It's the opportunity to turn it into a claw by thing. Or like a chic cafe. Still got you. Got a new business, buddy. Just sell things you say belong to Elvis.

Don Lebertard. Again, started on the breakfast line. Oh, man, I've been singing a song to myself one morning. Well, breakfast, blonde, do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do like that. This is the Don Lebatars show with this two gods. It does not matter what it is that I say to two gods about the in-season tournament, hey, you need to watch Rudy Gobert guarding Chet Homegren and how much Chet Homegren needs to learn. You have to watch this Sacramento Golden State game and the way that played out last night. It some of these games Golden State choked, huh? Have some of that's all you care about, right? That you can come over here and season tournament, you know, we must win game for

the Golden State Warriors and they lost it. Another reason for you to like this tournament instead of keep saying you're bored by it. More opportunities to accuse people of choking. That's a fair point by you. Mike and I were discussing though before the show started that we think LeBron is using this as a way to catch Michael Jordan. He thinks if he wins a couple of these, he has as many championships as Michael Jordan. He thinks if he wins a couple of these, he has as many championships as Michael Jordan. He's wrong. No, for sure, because this is what's going to happen 25 years from now, whoever stugatsu, the new version of stugatsu is going to be saying, how many NBA cups of Michael Jordan win zero? That's how many completely dishonest with the reality. Of course, there is one little plot hole in this.

Nah, and it's not that Michael Jordan never had the opportunity to win this. It's that what if the yet to be named corporate sponsored in season tournament is then named after Michael Jordan? Oh, checkmate. The Michael Jordan in season tournament. The interesting thing about first of all, you guys know that the script is right. It's going to be Nick's versus Kings because it needed, it needs the two fan bases that are most entitled to no success to justify set entitlement.

So it's like sorry Lakers and Celtic, none of that get out of here. It's going to be Nick's and Kings and whoever wins it will not shut the hell up about it forever. Like it would be fun. It needs to be nicks though. I think more so than Kings, it needs to be nicks. I think the nicks fans will say, because nicks fans will say, like, we don't care about it and then care about it so much. They're going to be like, oh, but, but we won the N.C.'s in tournament.

And that will give them hope through until they don't make the finals. And then they'll be like, well, but we have the, and Adam Silver need to fan base who is gonna care about this. And the Nix fans are gonna care so, it's so perfect. It's so perfect. Is this banner worthy? Absolutely.

For them, for the Nix for the Nix. For anyone else. No, the Nix will, they'll have a parade. I mean, I'm telling you, right Charlotte, would you just describe? That's not a hypothetical. Outside this door right now, Taylor, our intrepid producer that works with Lucy goes on the road with it, does all this great content.

He sat there and he said, in season tournament is dumb, but if the nicks win though, now I'm all in. And that's what the banners should say. This is dumb by one. No, they're going to put it next to the Harry Styles and Billy Joel ones. They'll be like, I know it's not, it's

like that tear of banner. They're putting it right next to Willis Reed. Who are you kidding? The thing that I wanted to talk with Amin about, though, regarding the warriors, Stugots, because you've got now reports that uh... warrior players are annoyed that andrew wigens is not in shape and you've got a lot of people talking about man clay tompson because he doesn't look very good looks like he's lost confidence also looks like he's unhappy

because and they're making extrapolations his body has been broken he's aging and it looks like he's the one that's gonna get left out on values to God's on caching in all the things at the end. Hey, the company cares about me, right? The company cares about what I did. I helped build that arena. I made you a business that functions

because for 10 years, we built a thing that Dremont got paid and Steph got paid and Durant got paid and what about me, but his body's not working and he's clearly diminished and he's coming off of injury and I could feel and I mean you could speak to how sensitive he is or isn't because he has been cool and confident in his entire career but he would have reasons not to be announced to gods and one of the worst things that can happen to not just an athlete, but an employee is to be lacking confidence and now your employers seems to lack confidence

in you too. Right. But he did so much good for that franchise, so much waiting for that franchise. And I'm asking him, I'm not saying that I would do this, but I am asking you, would you take care of that guy at the end of his career? Would you give him a kiss at the end of the career? Well, the reason that I want to talk to a mean about this is because I don't think that you run your businesses on the emotion fuel.

You do take the customer's money in the emotion business that way, but Clay Thompson right now is going to get left out in the musical chairs as far as I can tell. I mean, I think it would be dumb for them to reward the loyalty, even though I always want loyalty rewarded. The problem is there is ripple effects, right? It's not just, hey, we can just say, hey, Clay, you don't have it anymore. Good luck. And it's Stefan Dreimon will show up to work happy and okay with it. I remember when Anderson Verrschau I Believe got cut like that impacted clay tremendously in a way that they didn't expect that turns out like that was his best friend on the road and

Him getting cut a guy who barely plays into the bench impacted one of their best players at the time. And so now years later, it's now it's clave. Something happens to clay. I think that would impact people on the team that aren't suffering right now. So you think, but you think they'll give him money based on the feelings of his teammates? It depends. It depends.

It's, it's, it's not a binary, right? It's how much money? This much money. Okay., right? It's how much money. This much money, okay, it's worth it. This much money, uh, max? Absolutely not. Do you understand those two guys? When we talk about how hard it is to keep some of these things together,

to me, it's weird, right? The tarant would even leave there. Hey, it was so easy for you guys. You guys were winning. Wasn't that fun, wasn't that great? We don't know what the internal pressures are, but clearly there's something about that intensity from game to game and day to day

that fries people, and they're at the end of this run. Right, like this is the part where I think every time people get confused, I'm like, look around. Which one of these things ever lasts? It's so hard to continue to do it, because it's what Pat Riley talked about years ago, the disease of me. You're constantly fighting all of these pressures,

both internal and external, that make it impossible for everyone to say, let's just come back and do exactly what we did the last time. Beyond the fact that like, hey, the ball might bounce this way, we might not get this call. This guy might get hurt and that's why we didn't win. Even if you were, everything was perfect.

People don't wanna do the same thing. They say, I sacrifice it, now it's my turn, right? And then vice versa, what's happening now is, okay, your turn is over and Clayton's like, no, it's not. And so you see him bristling against reporters, where they say, hey, like, do you think there's some goodwill that's bought because of what you've done? And he sneers at that, like, oh, so now I got goodwill,

that's why I'm playing. Well, he still thinks he can play. Of course he does. But he's not as good. But in his mind, that's not that for-off. I don't know if we're realizing it, but I'm excluded in like the Celtics from way before my time.

18. Is this the longest one of these cores have been together? They are the longest 10 year team. Like when you talk about guys who have been with one team, the longest, Lillard was at the top of the list and it was a bunch of war here. Another spurs unit was together for a while but I think in terms of like, they're over,

close to what, 13 years with these guys? The spurt, like Tony Parker was drafted in 2003. And that and that was the year both him and oh no, excuse me, Tony Parker was trapped in 2001 and him and Manuel and Tim won in 2003. So that was that went for 15 years, I want to say, like they, they, they're those three as the core. That's the blueprint. And, but again

They evolved all three of those guys went through a transformation of oh, I can't do it the way I was doing it when we were winning before Tim was like, okay, I've got to be more of just a defensive guy and focus on that and Mono's like, okay, I'll come off the bench. Tony, okay, I'll reduce and lucky for them, they had Quy Leonard to ascend and take them to that last championship. I don't know how it's gonna end, but I don't think it's gonna end quietly. You know, it's like not with a bang,

but with a whimper, it's not gonna be with a whimper with a bang. I think you have Drainmon, you know, his emotional response to these things, Clay, and there's a lot of emotion here, and there's a lot of emotion they're showing Drainmon, his emotional response to these things, Clay, there's a lot of emotion here, and there's a lot of emotion they're showing. When Clay said, what, you want me to bench me?

It's like, oh, okay, this is a tut, we're hitting a bunch of nerves here, and I don't see how you can hit that many nerves on that many different people, and have it be like, okay, one guy's gone, that's fine. I don't know what that looks like, and I don't know how practically that works, but it seems like it's more of a powder keg situation.

So if you think about the bulls, the last dance, we keep talking about six championships, six championships. The reality is, it wasn't six championships. It was three championships with Mike and Scottie and a bunch of guys. It was six for Mike and Scottie, that's right. Mike's Scottie and Phil. Yes. But then like, then other three championships were completely different people. Mike and Scottie and a bunch of guys. It was six for Mike and Scottie, though. Yes, right. Mike's got him filled.

Yes. But then like the other three champions were completely different people. Steve Kerr, Randy Brown, Jabushler, Dennis Robman. None of those guys were around for the first three. Well, the core for the first three included Horace Gray. Yeah. The second three was Robin.

Was Robin, but even like the supporting characters, right? Like Kevan Looney. Right. Hasn't been there the entire time, but he's been there long enough. So when you have this many people together that long, at some point, like it has to flame out, it cannot continue. It's not just that.

When you say this many people there that long, you saw how quickly Durant got tired of Dremont. Dremont, under these conditions, these particular conditions, you got your money, we paid you after you punch Jordan pool, you turned Jordan pool, a champion into an echoing joke. We all watch Jordan pool win a championship. I mean, we mean, man, I love the algorithm that I'm on on IG. All I get is Jordan pooled wrestling videos and Jordan pool. All I get is Jordan Poole's old wrestling videos and Jordan pool all I get it. Jordan pool and the rest are being being the most chaotic rec rec list team in the

NBA. You got him as like this general patent champion. Serious. I do things the right way. And then I was punched by Dremont Green and my life turned into shambles. That's his villain origins. Yeah. That's not how he was all this is who he was. You just had him behind closed doors. And now the doors are over. You say that, but you get a whiff of the inner circle in a way, man, you know the gloss up that people get when we start covering them in championships.

Jordan Pools reputation was someone that you could trust in the finals. Like you could say it was a clown show in basketball, but a lot of people would have been willing to get, a lot of people watching Jordan Pull would have been willing to give him money. I always viewed Jordan Pull as a guy who was just lucky to play with Steph Curry,

Clay Thompson, and Drey Montgomery. To be honest with you, I never thought of him as a guy that I could trust in the finals. I think Drey Montgomery would agree. All right, but what did you think of Andrew Wiggins? You thought the same thing? I thought the guy who was lucky to play with Steph and Clay and Drey Montgomery.

Well, but his reputation has changed. Andrew Wiggins changed his reputation. Yes, by winning. Yes. But winning with them, you're saying that he's not responsible for it, but he changed. Andrew Wiggins arrived there as Jordan Poole. Well, Dan, it's what I've been saying about Kevin Durant forever. The Warriors won before Durant got there.

Durant was a luxury. They won't have to regatta forever. The Warriors won before Durant got there. Durant was a luxury. They won after he got there, but they also won before he got there and were the best team in NBA history. It's to got shot for your life. Andrew Wiggins, Jordan Poole. Oh, wow. Those are my only two choices. The Interall Rangeman's.

I intend to do that. I intend to do that. I think Wiggins gets it off before the shot clock expires, so I'm going in. I think we can get it off before the shot clock expires, so I'm going in.