The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: The Show With The Regional Legend

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

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In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries that if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now here's the marching man to nowhere, Fat Face and the Habitual Liar. In a few days, we're gonna put on for sale

and give you all of the information on this Poppy Challenge. We've got Poppy coming out of retirement. We're gonna have a few people come out of retirement. Poppy's mad because the artists are taking liberties with his body. He says that's not his. Well. It's not his but my my mother and I say it is his body But there's no way of knowing what who the NFL legend is that he's gonna challenge in dominoes April 13th Hawk

No, not a no not a bones player. Huh? Could have told by the Legend either Could have told by the outline. Not a legend either. Ooh, that hurts. Hold on. Hold the hell on. We're not going to do this. Do you remember that first touchdown pass he caught? Thank you. Do we have that on tap?

Because clearly, I don't think you realize the pioneer that I am to sub-5-9 football players. I don't believe. Okay. So are you... Okay, you're making a qualification that I was to sub-five-nine football players. I don't believe, okay, okay, so are you, okay, you're making a qualification that I was not making because if it's a legend to five-nine football players, if it's an amusement ride and I have to stand and be this tall to get on the ride, then I will allow the fact that, and I don't mean it as an insult to say,

look, man, I'm insulted right now. I'm insulted. Why wouldn't I be an NFL legend? Yeah. I mean, I was 50 under 40 in the athletic. The famed publication that you guys talked about this Jimmy Butler article in, that sounds like an NFL legend to me.

Dan, Hawk was offensive, you're offensive. Thank you. I mean, continue, Dan. By the way, we can't play NFL clips. We can apparently play along, came Pauly, but we can't do sound though. No sound. No sound. Make it rain. Luckily, my can't play NFL clips. We can apparently play a long game, Polly, but we can't do anything with the NFL. No sound, yeah. No sound.

Make it rain! Luckily, my highlights don't need sound. I don't mean it as an insult to you. You keep taking things that I say here as a diminishment of your skill. To say someone is not a legend is not to insult them. I would say he's Brown's legend status. I would say you're wrong.

Yeah, he's a luminary for the Browns, no doubt. You try to make confirming the legend. And now you're saying a hawk is it? Luminary is good. Come on, Farris! That dude ain't no legend. Let me speak on behalf of Browns fans, because when I was one, it honestly

says more about the franchise since they came back. But Hawk is a legend. We need to go into that. Sorry. All decade team for the Browns. Look, voted on. He's like, he's better than De'Von Bess. And everyone in town loved De'Von Bess.

He's a luminary. Let me put it this way. If someone asked me, I mean, name good Browns players ever. First one is Jim Brown, obviously. Number two. This is clearly the standard we should all be using. I'm just saying, Jim Brown, Miles Garrett. Antonio.

Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas. Kevin. Hawk, Hawk number four. Probably. Mount Rushmore. I feel like I insulted you by invoking Von Best. Yeah that was good. No you were really good for the Browns. You were. He is a luminary and also he stuck around the franchise. He had an opportunity to go to New England. He's like no I like the bad shit. Come on start a podcast with Joe Thomas because I like the bad shit. No, no, I operate great in chaos Also, you know what culture starts with dances. You love that word so much. It starts with someone saying I'm not gonna run when things get hard. Come on now staying right here. That sounds like Thomas him and Joe Thomas said hey, it'd be easy to go join the Patriots, be bandwagoners, win rings and stuff. No, no.

Change start, be the change you wanna see in the world, Dan. But win rings and stuff, no. No. Look, Joe Thomas had the opportunity, you were there, right, when Joe and Peyton wanted him to go over to Denver and Joe Thomas almost got traded to Denver, you had the opportunity to play with Brady. These are guys that were on a football team

that won one game in two seasons. I was okay with my status as a legendary NFL player, Dan. You are smarter than what is happening right now. What are you talking? I know that. No, I'm about to explain to you. I'm always smarter than what's happening. This is what just happened, okay?

You disagree with me for saying that you're not a legend, you get offended. You turn to Mike and then what does Mike say? Mike says something that I totally agree with He's like you were very good and you were a luminary. He never said you were a legend He said you were very good and that you were a luminary and I would say the same thing But he's saying it in a different tone and so you're agreeing with him even though he's saying the same thing I'm saying he's trying to shove you under the bus Mike

He really is but he's a classic shitster in talking it out I now see the light you are indeed a legend no no no no it made me realize like wait a second to Von best no hot was way better than the one thank you Von best is a luminary and you called the Von best a legend this is still America the Von best was good this is still America put that out there love that Hawaii team right out of the slot I like, I used to watch his film, like damn. They should call you Andrew Best. Honestly, the reason why Devon Best was on my mind is I'm pretty sure Poppy's fighting him.

Because the teaser that I saw on the placard that went up on the main feed, it looks like your dad is fighting Devon. There is no telling who my father is going up against. Or Chief Keef. But we will give. I'm almost sure that's Ricky Williams. I love at the bottom it says if the coward accepts.

So he hasn't said yes yet. Not yet, no. We might have to throw Andrew Hawkins in there and just claim he's a legend. You should have said, but Andrew Hawkins is not a coward. I would have been okay with that. There you go, there you go.

It might actually be Devon Peth. I want to talk to you about some of the football things going on because I was surprised perhaps I should not have been. Oh, so Joey Bosa is just going to be released. Okay, that's how we're doing that one. Uh, DK Metcalf is just going to ask for a trade. He's going to leave Seattle because his contract is up in a year.

Max Crosby is going to stay with the Raiders, going to be paid more than any non quarterback in the entire league. And Mike Florio is saying that if Sam Darnold signs a two-year deal in Minnesota, JJ McCarthy is gonna ask for a trade. And your thoughts there, Andrew, on all of those things and NFL free agency or what? Isn't it fun?

Isn't it fun to be able to make moves that matter, that surprise you? I think for so long in the NFL, it was like, you know, they're not going to trade this player. You know that this guy is going to have an OK market when he hits free agency to have things like actual sparks. It does feel like the NBA feels around free agency, like J.J. McCarthy potentially being traded after not taking a snap

and being as highly drafted as he is that special, because it could potentially change the trajectory of another franchise who needs a quarterback, but not in position to do so. Let me talk to you about this Minnesota situation, because they got unmasked in the playoffs the way we thought they would get unmasked with Darnold being Darnold.

Not totally fair to have a road game after they've had that kind of season, and fires made things complicated. It was in Arizona, their road game. Yes, like it's. They were playing a team not from Arizona. And so when I present to you the idea of, if the Vikings were to do it,

what has been the more traditional way before the rookie quarterback, you needed to get value in the first three years out of them, when they fast forwarded all these curves. Wouldn't the way the NFL would have done this at any time previously in his history is you get Sam Darnold for two more years and you allow JJ McCarthy to work his way into the position over three years. Like that's how we would do it. That's how Aaron Rodgers did it under Brett Favre, right? Not that they're the same person, but once you draft McCarthy, the finances of it

are such that you need to play him, correct? Yeah. And I agree with that take. I actually think they should let Sam Darnold walk, which is crazy because he had the season that he had and you don't typically see a quarterback hit free agency that had that kind of year. But when you look at the Minnesota Vikings, if I am them, I'm looking at Kirk Cousins

and I'm looking at Sam Darnold and I'm looking at them, Sam Darnold previously and also Kirk Cousins after he left. And I'm gonna say, I think I have the guy in KOC that can get me the max amount of production from JJ McCarthy under this system, like I've done with the other two quarterbacks. There's not gonna be a plethora of people lining up

for Sam Darnold, like it's gonna be quarterback Nittie Teeth, but there's still gonna be the, we've seen him in other situations. And the same goes for Kirk Cousins. I think you take advantage of that rookie contract so you can continue to build the roster around him. I think the Minnesota Vikings are more valuable to a quarterback than Sam Darnold is to a team.

Like, the skill people Minnesota has, like, I would think someone like Kirk Cousins would be like, get me back there, please. I don't even know, I don't understand what happened with her cousins last year with the gm is like i didn't know his arm was hurt and he falls off being able to throw a football nine games into the season or like how is that a noodle arm all of a sudden i i i want to be the quarterback in minnesota i would think that minnesota's more attractive to quarterbacks than sam

darnold is two teams i think think that's a great assessment. I think what they have as coaching staff, even organizationally, shout out to Josh McCown, another Browns and NFL legend. I'm not gonna let Dan say anything different as a quarterback coach there in KOC. Kevin O'Connell who runs the offense. I do think that that is a more attractive proposition

than Sam Darnold. And that's not a knock on Sam Darnold. It's great for the season that he had, but there's still such a risk associated with it. And it was magnified on the biggest stage in the biggest game of the magical season. Well, I mean, this reminds me of Miami Heat circa 10 years ago, where it's like,

your thing is we find diamonds in the rough. The rock that no one wanted, I take a pause, oh, it's pretty good. So, Caleb Martin, not bad. Caleb Martin, well, I mean, Birdman. The guy I think about is Hassan Whiteside,

Dion Waiters, and James Johnson, right? Bumpy. Those guys played well, and then the Heat were like, we have to pay them. I'm like, no! They're going right, is that? Okay, mwah, have fun, congratulations, I hope you have a great career somewhere else and get paid what you need to pay them. I'm like, no! They're going rate is that? Okay, have fun, congratulations, I hope you have a great career somewhere else and get paid what you need to get paid.

They finally learned that lesson. They finally learned that lesson. So the Vikings are saying, wait, hold on, we're the ones that make their cousins look like this. We probably did the same thing with San Darno. If someone wants to pay him that, Viacom deals. All good. Yeah, trust it. They got to trust the organization. You got to trust that we are the ones, whether it's the receiving court, whether it's the offensive coordinator, whatever it is. That's it.

We make quarterbacks here. We don't have to pay for quarterbacks unless they are the next coming, which we all agree Sam Darnold is not. That's business. That is like when you do any business deal, you want to be the piece of the deal that is the value. By law. You're connected to me and then when you leave me, you won to be the piece of the deal that is the value. You're connected to me, and then when you leave me, you won't be as successful, and I gotta trust myself

in that that is the case. That's what the Patriots did for years. I also am curious, cause Dan said, you could put me at quarterback, and now I'm- What a visual. Imagine Dan starting at quarterback for the Vikings. Man. Yellow nachos!

I don't think I said you could put me at quarterback. You did say it like. Omaha, steaks! The phrase me at quarterback came out of your mouth and me and me in lock ties. The thing that we're discussing right now, I can't believe that in 2025 I'm having a conversation about Sam Darnold being worth money at quarterback.

They just did it with any quarterback. That's any quarterback. I've seen enough of Sam Darnold over the entirety of my life to know when Sam Darnold is being something that his talent level and when it's being manufactured for him. And there are only two teams that I believe could have done that for him. San Francisco and Minnesota.

I don't think there's a third. San Francisco kind of did it for him too. I'm gonna disagree with that. I'm gonna disagree with that. Not fully. Number one, I don't believe Dan could play quarterback in the NFL. I am 1000% certain he could not do anywhere.

I can throw a bubble screen, just a quick bubble screen. No, it would be pick six. That's a big bubble. Okay, as an NFL legend, I can promise you, you will not complete a bubble screen. All right? Number two, what Sam Darnold has, because I don't wanna position him just as a pedestrian.

Like, yeah, he's not lived up to the expectation and that is how you judge players from where you came in your expectation how below or above you get to that last year was the first glimpse we saw him above but he has the tangibles whenever you're drafted top 10 you have the physical tools to be elite and that's what he showed that to your point when you mix that with great offensive strategy and a coach who understands quarterbacks and how to maximize it you take advantage of that elite level talent that not every quarterback in the NFL has just because you're there. Hold on you're telling me

that Dan can't hike and just throw a quick pass out? No absolutely not. I think he could do that now he might get killed. Both things. Oh, no things will be you will be killed And it won't be okay. So so listen to me and you're correct Andrew Hawkins that Sam Darnold was he drafted six? He's got a skill set that would get you drafted within the top six In overall, all right third overall. So that skill set is not up for dispute I'm just saying that there are a lot of quarterbacks that I can grab from any pile of top three picks who haven't had Success and I can do with them what Sam Darnold has done because my analysis is not unlike these Announcers who were calling the playoff game and had it all figured out from outside the pocket

Blue cheese blue cheese red velvet Red velvet, red velvet. I'm doing a thing Dan. No one out pizzas a hut. No one out pizzas a hut is that. That's damn good. Look, look. That's damn good Mike. Did you say look? Yeah. The whole, we've been talking a lot of great football and I've actually recused myself from talking because this whole segment nobody should have been looking. I don't, I don't get, I don't get it. Hawk We've been talking a lot of great football and I've actually recused myself from talking because this whole segment Nobody's been should have been looking. I don't get It's time for a new game don't look now Well, that's it that's our imaging

Whose voice is that? Boy, what happens like in a month? Is it still a new game? It's a new game. All right Who's going first? Because we got two guys who are blindfolded right now. We got Mike. Who's blindfolded? Ha, it's clever. Tony has his glasses on top of the blindfold. Oh, what's this? Oh, that's Mike. Uh,, Dan don't look now, but did you know that quietly? It's cord there. Where's my mic? There's Dan. Did you know quietly? The Kansas City Chiefs traded all-pro-gar Joe Tooney to the Bears

That quiet don't look now. Do not look now. So I'm talking about our first take. Oh God. Don't look now, but the Cowboys also restructured Dax Contract, who obviously we know just made $240 million last year. They're restructuring to add $36 million worth of cap to their budget. Thank you.

I like this game. How long is that cord? I don't know, it's wrapped around like six times What else do you have Tony because as an audio bit Really work. Well, no, here's the thing. I usually somebody else gives a take there They're looking and then I tell them don't look cuz he can't look right because I don't know who's gonna talk then that's the thing Well, it's great as he did actually try to look around the room for eye contact with either me or Chris to speak, but you can't see. Well, so here's the thing though. Mike just tripped over a couch?

This show requires chemistry and it's supposed to be an audio show first, not a video show. Mike has hurt himself. Frankie is helping him. That's a high comedy though. That's a liability. He might have really hurt himself. That's a corporate liability. Tony, just give us all your football and just assume when you stop talking Hawkins will have some great expertise

Okay, excellent. I'm trying to get the bit first. Well the bit are you looking? These China look he's wearing a monocle of some sort. So he's definitely looking he's looking at not only looking too much He's not what you are looking to my skippers glasses. Those ones that skipper use not do believe you can use those. Yeah, they're prescriptions I can't see you can't it's don't look now don't look don't not cuz he just told you the prescription You can't see anything technically. He's not looking excellent. And by the way, Dan I'm obviously listening through auditory mediums because I can't see the show's working perfectly. Yeah, okay Just let you know that cuz you're watching I'm not watching But I don't like excluding the audio audience with video bits.

I'm with them. I'm with them right now, listening. So here's the thing. We have a lot of free ages, a lot of big names moving around. Could we see in the conversation that you were having about JJ McCarthy, about Sam Darnold, should they sit McCarthy, should they pay Sam Darnold? What if?

Don't look. Don't look, though. What if a team signs? I know this is going to be crazy. What if a team signs? I know this could be crazy What if a team in the top three signs Aaron Rodgers? Maybe the Giants sign Aaron Rodgers you draft cam ward you allow him to sit a couple of years Try to pick Aaron Rod the good football part of Aaron Rodgers his brain man. You let him kind of Coagulate and mingle with him and figure out okay This is how I can be a great NFL quarterback.

And then you got your guy in a couple years. Tony, not the control, but don't look now, but Mike found his way to the control room and I'm really worried that he's gonna short out the circuits and we're gonna get a power outage like we did. Yeah, that's not good. Oh, damn it, Mike. Yeah, this is not good.

This is... My God. Well, I hate that take, Tony, so you can look at that, please. Oh. Mike, stop. Mike, Mike, stop hitting stuff, please. You hate that take. Tony, so you can look at that, please. Oh. Mike, stop. Mike, stop hitting stuff, please. The cameras are on.

So now it really is an audio medium only. OK, stop. My good. All right, let's finish up. Let's finish it up. Don't look now, but. Is that you, Tony? Yes, Tony.

I'm not looking, Dan. That was an audio toss. It was an audio toss. It was an audio toss. It made it a lot easier than that. Your segment Tony. Well, it's everybody's segment, Dan, by the way. But Hawk said he hated that take. So I was allowing Hawk to not look and give me the take. Rebuttal. I do not want Aaron Rodgers ruining my rookie quarterback. He is not at the I'm going to mint to you and make you better stage of his life.

Let me make this make sense for Hawk. Please. This segment is presented by Smirnoff. It's the world's number one vodka. Please drink responsibly. So now the glasses really make sense. Don't look now. What are your thoughts on the Giants being that kind? I want to go through a bunch of football stuff with you.

Aaron Rodgers to the Giants. Or not looking? I want to be done with don't look. Don't look now. Do you want my answer, Dan? I do not I want Andrew I need Mike back in here I need him to stop wandering around the studio knocking over sounds and I need Andrew Hawkins this splash professional football expertise

Not legend come on top of the media game DK mad calf requesting a trade your thoughts are what there if I'm the Seahawks I entertain it. I don't think they're incredibly close to a championship because of their quarterback situation not that it's bad. I like Gino But if I'm them I'm collecting assets to make a you know a rebuild to actually put you in position in a conference that has the Rams or division with the Rams and Obviously the the 49ers now if I'm DK, he said he wants to go to a contender. There are very few that actually have a chance. So I'm curious of which offense

he could actually fit in in his style. I don't think it's the Ravens. Bills, that doesn't feel like a fit to me. And really it's Patrick Mahomes. When I'm talking about like, who has the best chance of making a run at this? To me, it's those three teams, unless the Philadelphia Eagles are saying

A.J. Brown could wanna go somewhere else, and that's their solution to replace him. Houston? I mean, I think, Nico Collins to me. He's your Alpha One already. Nico Collins is not a big drop off from DK, if a drop off at all. No, he's not a drop off at all,

but I don't, if you're just going to a contender, it assume that dk has to go as a number one do contender like that because it does assume that his philadelphia just one with two number ones and when he's asking to be a number one and i see cincinnati's franchising t higgins and i'm watching are we going to do this to say quam barkley running game where we can actually try and do something where that the secret is that we're going have two number one wide receivers because I don't the the the Seahawks were mad evidently that on the day lockets retiring after ten years regional legend yeah he is NFL legend I'm not gonna let

you just lock it is not an NFL legend he's a regional legend there's a height requirement for you to consider somebody a legend is that what it is put it on the pole at LeBoward show is's a height requirement for you to consider somebody a legend. Is that what it is? Put it on the poll at Lebatard Show. Is there a height requirement before you're willing to make someone a legend at Lebatard Show? Name me some more consistent wide receivers over the last decade than Tyler Lockett. I love Tyler Lockett.

I'm not saying he's very good. No, you don't. You do not love Tyler Lockett. Listen to me. Put it on the poll. You do not love Tyler Lockett. Does Dan love Tyler Lockett? He does not.

Very good. Luminary and the number two receiver on his own team. No, he's a Seah. You do not love Tyler Lockett. He does not. You don't. Very good luminary and the number two receiver on his own team. No, he's a Seahawks legend. Again, regional legend. I said that. Regional legend? It feels like you're cutting them a little bit.

It is, because the Seahawks are still in the NFL. Tyler Lockett. Tyler Lockett was never their number one receiver. So what is it? You only think Hall of Famers are legends? Is that what the criteria is? Generally, that's where- The definition, no?

All right, so then change it to Hall of Famer, Dan. What's the definition? Like if he led the team in receiving yards, that makes him the number one receiver, doesn't it? Okay, how many times did he lead the team in receiving yards? While we're at it, if you're saying Hall of... No big deal, just how many times did he do it?

No, but how many thousand yard seasons does Tyler lock? I'll stand down. He's got four. Four. That's good. Four more than you have, for more than you have down a lock. That is true. He's a he's a third round pick This is not this is not a diminishment of Tyler lock it to say he's not a Hall of Fame legend He might be a Seahawks Hall of Famer there's already a descriptor for Hall of Famer is called Hall of Famer Legend and Hall of Famer are not he's a Seahawks Hall of Famer. He's not an NFL Hall of Famer is called Hall of Famer. Legend and Hall of Famer are not synonymous. But he'd be a Seahawks Hall of Famer.

He's not an NFL Hall of Famer. Those are two different Hall of Famers. He's still an NFL legend though. For separate seasons, he's led them in receiving yards. Calling him a regional legend is really undercutting. Like I've won two regional Emmys. Tim Ruddy. Are we really?

We'll put that on the agenda. The Dolphins celebrate former center Tim Ruddy. He's not a legend. Who's Tim Ruddy? I gotta legend. He's a former center. There you go. You're saying DK Metcalf is their number one receiver. Like, DK barely edged him in 2022 and 2023. Okay, so, put it on the poll at Levitard Show.

Is Tyler Lockett a legend? Just a question mark. I wanna ask you the question I was asking you before. The Seahawks were mad that Adam Schefter broke the news of Metcalfe's trade request on what was supposed to be the celebration of a decade-long career that whether I diminish it or not as legendary regionally had an emotional tie-in connection to the community do they have any right to be angry about that the news breaks when the news breaks why I get why they'd be upset by that. It does take the shine off of Lockett's punctuation.

Yeah, I mean, I'm never gonna be in favor of diminishing the star of a legend on a day that's supposed to celebrate him. And he is a legend, not regionally, nationally. But also, alongside of that, it is relevant to that conversation, that you're getting rid of a staple on your team who has been the source of production

at the receiver position for a decade, and the other one wants to leave. That's newsworthy and again, connected to the fact that you're releasing Tyler Lockett. And probably, and building around Geno Smith. Like they've committed to Geno Smith there. Tyler is the second most prolific receiver in franchise history.

He's second to Steve Largent in receptions, receiving yards and touchdowns. That's the only person he's behind. So Joey Galloway. If you're a Seahawks legend, that doesn't make you a legend of the game. Compiler. There's a difference here.

Jeff Konine is a Marlins legend. He's not a legend when it comes to baseball. You guys are doing this wrong though. You guys are assuming. Well, he's Dwyane Wade. Because you guys are taking insult somehow from regional legend, okay? That sounds insulting to someone

who's gone beyond the region. You're calling Hawk and Tyler Lockett the Jeremy Tashay's of football. I mean that's such an insult. Actually no. Wait a minute, I'm not saying the Jeremy Tashay. I'm saying the media South Florida Dan Lebatard of this region. I am Let me break this out everybody what Dan is trying to do is diffuse by doing the aw shucks

I'm just a regional damn. We all know you are a national legend in guys Come on Dan is Dan on this guys, everyone, come on, Dan is, he's fishing. I actually grew with Dan on this. Dan is, he's a national, like nationally, he's just a guy. Down here, he's a Mayan, not, I'm just saying a guy, but like he's one of the main guys,

but nationally, he's just thought of as, oh, there's a bunch of guys around that do national stuff. His reputation is greater than Tyler's. Hush your mouths. Let's, all right, you, hush your mouth. Guys in the back, let's all give Dan the constructive kind of like lift up that he's been looking for He wants a compliment. He was fishing for guess what? He caught himself a big mackerel Dan

Dan might be Tyler Lockett. No, he's a national guy. He's a national guy Everyone we all know Tyler Lockett. No he's a national guy. He's a national guy. Dan LeBattard is highly questionable. No nationally. We all know Tyler Lockett. He was H3 on PTI. No Tyler Lockett. He was H3 on PTI. How much higher does it get? H1 and 2. Okay. I'm with Chris Cody on this. I'm looking in the mirror and I'm like Chris you and I got this on Locked. Stop, you hosted a cable television program. A daily cable television program. They didn't give one to Tim Kalashaw. Tyler Lockett was second in receiving yards for the Seahawks. But there's clearly a place where Dan is celebrated the most. I'm telling you, regional people went on around the horn. They represented regions.

Bill Plasky represented California and LA specifically. Kalashaw, Texas, right? Kevin Black and so on. We got it, you know hosts. You know panelists, we gotcha. The show's dead now. Right, and exactly. Guess what's still going on?

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I talk to you about Miller time all the time, but we're in the winter time right now. And one of my favorite past times is to crack open a Miller light and enjoy myself some Miller time during the winter time. Because when there's a brisk chill in the air, it just makes everything right. My friends and I who live down here in South Florida can actually sit outside because it's not super muggy. We can thoroughly enjoy our Miller time together and for you listening I know there's a lot of things going on right now sports chief among them

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Don LeBretard. In terms of heat fans, you're the most irrational of us right now. What's the pivot? Oh, irrational! Stugats! How am I irrational? Did you not hear your voice there? If I were making a cartoon thing that was meant to symbolize irrational, that's the voice I would give.

The entire premise. This is the Don LeBathard Show with the Stugats. Speaking of interregionals, I want you guys to explain to me, Mike Ryan, you as a defender of the University of Miami, because when I think of regionals and playoffs, I think of University of Miami baseball. And yesterday, they had a steak sandwich milkshake at that the milkshake is famous

Go on. at what used to be Mark Light Stadium at A Rod Field that is now whatever it is presently called. I think it's that. It's still that. Pitbull Field, I thought. That milkshake is one of the famous items anywhere in college sports, but I mean,

when I saw a Philadelphia cheesesteak in an ice cream milkshake, I thought that was a joke. In the? Yeah, they did that. This was an unreal heat check. It's just a little one, by the way. Just a little one. Unreal heat check from Mark Lake.

Shake, I can't defend this kind of behavior. I won't. I refuse to. There's Cheez Whiz, slices of steak, bread in it. They just smashed a cheesesteak into a vanilla ice cream shake. And as someone that had the chicken wing shake, that wasn't bad. It had a piece of chicken, it had buffalo sauce in it and celery like

that actually worked. This, there's no way this works. Try it. Any truth to the the the rumor that Pat Riley had the nutritionist pull it from from being sold at the games? Yo I'm in on this I'm asking this this is great video they're just making a Philly chicken putting it in the ice cream I'm in on this Dan Dan hold on a second Dan have you ever put a fry in a frosty? have you ever put a chicken nugget in a frosty? have you ever put a burger in a frosty? no and try this tea what it tastes like? just never cheese with first of all I just want to point out that Taffer what you're using your bare hands

what are you doing? Is anybody clocking how Dan is looking at me right now for asking the Pat Rowley question anyone clocking how I'm looking at this milkshake This is and of course Darren Ravel was there on the seat on the beat There can't be multiple people eating that there cannot be more than one person There are loyalists that will try every specialty shake Go get me one of those if I was there I'd try it to say to say that I survived the Villanova specialty shake But this one like when the whiz meets the ice cream

boys Salty, sweet. It's a good combo. I will say the cannoli one that they had was the best specialty shake I think they've ever had. It's not only vanilla ice cream and vanilla syrup that's topped with a mini cheese steak sandwich. I mean, it's disgusting.

That's disgusting. It is disgusting. It's the cheese whiz. I think it's the cheese whiz for me. You can't mix those things. It's not even the protein. It's the cheese whiz. I'm cool with the both dairy Put the bread in there who cares? I'm not even sure you can get me all those like I'm not even sure

It's it's not unpleasant to eat cheese steak over here and then bite of ice cream and go back No, that's pretty much like shake shacks entire business. That's fine Never bacon shakes business. Yeah, there's a Saturday night, that's fine. Never. Steak and Shake's business model. Yeah, no, there's a lot of people that like the salty with the sweet. But when you put it together, just imagine what the end of that milkshake may taste like. When everything settles.

You guys have been at a diner with a burger and a milkshake. You take a bite of the burger, and as you're chewing, Yeah, you know what guys? And as you're chewing, You take a sip. You wash it down with a little milkshake.

You're a small shake a little milkshake. You're a small town guy hawker. You're right. I am, but this is not 1948. Why are we ordering steaks and shakes? I'm going to tell you right now, anytime I've had a steak and a shake, I always have a glass of water because while I'm eating the food, the water is the beverage. And then your milkshake gets all melted.

First of all, when they give me the milkshake, it's a block of ice cream. As it should be. I can't even get it through the straw without making a scene basically Stop looking at me like that and so I need it to melt a little bit so it could it the whole purpose of a shake is it's Somewhat solid and somewhat liquid not imagine this one the whole purpose you guys all know you're all know that's when we play Jacksonville Everyone knows the time when you're drinking a milkshake and it gets a little blocked up.

And you're like, oh, there's a block there. You lift the straw up and there's a piece of steak blocking the straw. Oh, that's beautiful. That is the most disgusting thing I've ever heard in my life. It's so unpleasant. You do it when it's this temperature. When I had the chicken wing shake, it was 110 degrees out.

Oh my god. You get that Frank's red Hot coming out of your pores. The Andrew Hawkins just created the visual of someone on roller skates coming out to your car passenger side at the diner and putting some food on a tray that you're eating in the front seat of your car. Like pre-McDonald's revolutionizing

the process for fast food. It was like, oh, you pull up, I'll take a burger and a shake. Well, to be clear. Well, this nice little car got here, darling. And they go back and they roller skate and come back with the little cone hats. And what, you don't like that?

To be clear. No. To be clear, Hawk, they would be doing that. Not for you and I, though. No, no, no. You'd have to run back by the dumpster. That's right. You're longing.

Who's in the back? You're longing for a time when. You can go get some slops out the kitchen. Exactly. Tony's longing for a romantic time when Andrew Hawkins wasn't allowed to eat any of that food with the white people. Listen.

I'm talking about 2025. They got retro joints. No, we don't want retro joints. We don't want, we don't want those. Let's not retro that, all right? Let's keep it. No, no, I'm talking about. Let's keep it to Jordan.

I'm talking about Rolls-Royce. Let's not retro segregation. All right, let's keep no no, I'm talking about keep it to Jordan It's not retro sex segregation Tony. I'm talking about Dumbass like business model right there. How can we get the food to them faster? I got it We'll make them wear roller skates Come on that wait First of all, were they getting paid more than they would at regular restaurants? Because I would absolutely demand more money. You need a skill set beyond being able to take an order.

And the risk of injury? Oh, absolutely. What are the liabilities there? The insurance? Through the roof. It was a simpler time. It was a simpler time, Dan. You didn't have insurance back, Tony.

Tony's just longing for the good old days. I was just saying it was a simpler time. Dan, you're damn right it was a simpler time. They still do back Tony Tony just longing for the good old day it was a simple day right it was a simpler time they still do it at Johnny Rockets you go to Johnny Rockets they're still rules I have never seen a Johnny Rockets that wasn't in a mall no that's all so true you know all in Orlando wait a minute you say they're still using roller skates at Johnny Rockets it they're still doing that curbside look you guys like to make fun of me about an assortment of things but just last week I was telling you Hooters

can't be doing well and then they go bankrupt two days later look you guys like to make fun of me about an assortment of things but just last week I was telling you Hooters can't be doing well and then they go bankrupt two days later while you guys were on inside info I think you had inside yeah what is happening with Johnny Rockets it's is Jeremy making that up no one's still doing the roller blades are they when I was in college my what my then-girlfriend now wife had a roommate who worked at Johnny Rockets and she had to work every single day on roller skates. So I can try to confirm through her. Haven't talked to her in about 10 years.

Smiley face ketchup? Yeah, of course. That's always a winner. The only time I've actually eaten at a Johnny Rockets, I take that back, Jeremy, there was one. I was scouting. I think I went to a Villanova game or a Temple game in Philadelphia,

and I had to go eat, so I went down to wherever Philadelphia fooderies are are and back then it was like Cash only and all the cheese take places. I'm like I go like that is my corporate card, man I need to charge this I'm not paying for this out of pocket So I ended up going to a Johnny Rockets and let me just say one of the worst meals I've ever had That's not true. I burn out shit out of that burger, man No, it was a rocket is solid. It was dry as hell. He's back.

Every man. Come on, man. Hold on a second. I'm a burger connoisseur. Please make no mistake. I love burgers. I would never put them in a shake. Yeah, I will crush you and burger them, okay?

Johnny Rockets, though. You don't know my burger. Is a fine food establishment. And actually in Cincinnati, you could get the naked wings at Johnny Rockets, you know what it was called? The Pac-Man Jones special. Because Pac-Man Jones would go there

and say I don't want any sauces, and I'm sure he said it aggressively, that's my guy, he only does aggressive. I thought it was because of the strip club in Vegas. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So he got the naked wings, and I would go get the Pac-Man wings when I was at Johnny Rockets.

And they tasted amazing. By the way, every time we do anything, sorry, Dan, any time we do anything as a show, where we go, oh, we're going to McGillicutties or whatever, right? And it was like, what do we got? We got mozzarella sticks, and we got da-da-da-da-da, we got wings.

The wings are always bland, flavorless, seasonless, sauceless. Whose fault is that? Dan's. He can only have the wing itself. He can only have the sauce. Can we get Dan's separate wings and then the rest of us get something

like some lemon pepper, some hot sauce? King eats first, pal. Maybe they should name him. That's a legend. No, they should name him after Dan. Like a local legend. How about you host, Amin El-Hassan is highly questionable, and then you can have the wings how you want it

Oh, he's absolutely right. You know what I I should be purged then I should be punished I should be flogged because I disrespected a national and international legend not a regional one Christopher a National international legend the wings should be any way you want then just like this show by the way back to you Andrew Hawkins Why is Joey Bosa being released? Because we all get old, man. It just comes along with the territory. At some point, every local joker, as you like to describe NFL football players, every local joker will eventually get released.

And that's essentially what it is. The money, you try to get out before you're overpaying for an aging product. And that's the situation it is. The money, you try to get out before you're overpaying for an aging product. And that's the situation with Joey Bosen. The Chargers defense was very good last year. Kalil Mack has been very good there. Their pass rush is something that I fear.

And Jim Harbaugh isn't going to be able to recreate defense like that. They had a legitimate pass rush at a time that we're valuing it so much that the Raiders, who are not in any way close, the Raiders have not made a playoff game or have not won a playoff game in 24 years, longer than anybody, just gave Max Crosby,

who's undisputably great and the closest thing, the Sons of an Anarchy that there's been in the NFL at the moment, like just feels like Sons of Anarchy, all of it, they just gave him more guaranteed money than any non-quarterback. That doesn't seem like a good way to spend your money if you're not close, but the price on disrupting the quarterbacks is so high right now that whether you're Myles Garrett or Max Crosby or Joey Bosa, I would think that Joey Bosa still has a good deal of value.

When you say getting old, is he 29? How old is Bosa? Do I have this totally wrong? 29, yeah. He's been in the league for a while. That's not young. That's not young in football years, especially on the defensive line

where you're taking wear and tear. And they've gone through this a couple of times with Joey Bosa. He's had injury issues a bunch over the years, and they've always kind of figured out because his cap hits would hit so hard or he would have missed a season or half a year or be in and out and peppered

and they've typically figured it out because he is in such good standing with the organization. In my opinion, this likely came to a point where they're like, hey, we just gotta, he understood, they understood, and he's on the market. He'll be a, and for talking in receiver terms, he'll be a number two pass rusher somewhere and make somebody really good,

but he's not a guy that can man the ship anymore. There is a lot of money to be made in Jadaven Clowney just sitting out training camp and saying, I'll give you 17 Sundays, and I'm gonna go as hard as I can, and I'm just gonna be a mercenary. Joey Bosa could do that for years, could he not? Like, 29 is not old.

It's not young for a pass rusher, but it ain't old. I think my surprise there is Mac, if they're looking at their pass rushers and they're looking at aging, diminishing products, I know Mac had a good year last year. It was a good bounce back year for Khalil Mac, but he's older. Five years older.

That's what I'm saying. When I saw that with Joey Bosa, I'm like, okay, he's expensive, but that still has value. Joey Bosa on that side of 30, I don't associate. Now, I don't think because Bosa had this toe thing. Here's what, like his numbers are going to be down because I don't know how messed up it is to try and play for several games shooting up your foot, shooting up your foot. It was a huge injury for a pass rusher.

Joey Bosa. Isn't Khalil Mack a free agent? Yeah, he's also a free agent. Wow, so they don't have Cleaning house. This is what rebuilds look like. Hey, and also I have a great little Mac They made the playoffs. I have a good clue Mac story. I'll be I'll be really fast So I went to the University of Toledo, right? The gods favorite University Toledo Toledo and I came in with a rookie running back named Jalen Parmelee He's from Midland, Michigan. Is he related to Bernie Parmaley? Not related to Bernie Parmaley.

But I believe they were both dolphins. But he was drafted by the Miami Dolphins after our senior year. This guy was a freak specimen. I'm talking about 6'1", 230 pounds. He ran a 4'3". He vertical jumped 43 inches. He did not have an ounce of fat on him.

Like when we would be in the light, it was like, yo, that dude looks different than the rest of us, okay? He comes into his own. He has a really good junior and senior year, and he becomes a sixth grader. not have an ounce of fat on him. Like when we would be in the light, it was like, yo, that dude looks different than the rest of us, okay? He comes into his own, he has a really good junior and senior year, and he becomes a sixth round pick. Well, he had these tattoos on his arm that said, Florida born, Michigan raised, he was adopted.

And we would always joke with him like, you know, Jaylee, you were in Florida for two days. Like, you're not really from there, you're from Michigan. But he didn't know his birth family, all right. Wait a second! Fast forward. He didn't know his birth family? He didn't know his- Maybe it is Bernie Par Michigan. But he didn't know his birth family, all right. Wait a second. Fast forward. He didn't know his birth family? Maybe there's Bernie Parmaley.

He didn't know his birth family, fast forward, okay? So a couple years ago he calls me, and he's like, Hawk, how you doing? I'm like, I'm good. We actually played together in Cleveland, which was really cool. Me, him, and John Greco, who were freshmen together, we all played for Cleveland in the year we went one and 15.

There's a whole other conversation there, we won't get into it. Legends. Legends. So then he calls me a couple years ago, and's like, yo, Hawk, how you doing? I'm like, I'm good, man. Haven't heard from you. How you been? I'm good.

I found my birth family. I'm like, dude, congratulations, man. That's awesome. I believe his, his adopted family, they were sick. Something happened where he like wanted to get information about his medical history. And so I think he, maybe on ancestry.com, anyway, he found an uncle, found his birth family. He's like, yeah, I met them.

I'm going to meet them for the first time next week. I'm like, that's awesome, bro. Like, what are they like? He's like, I look just like my dad, and two of my brothers, he has three brothers, two of them are in the NFL. And I'm like, what? That's crazy.

He said, yeah, Khalil Mack is my brother. That's better than being related to Bernie Parmaley. Same mom, same dad, and Khalil Mack was his brother. That's better than being related to Bernie Parmaley. Same mom, same dad. And Khalil Mack was his brother. You talk about crazy NFL stories. Howdy folks, it's Mike Ryan. I talk to you about Miller time all the time, but we're in the winter time right now.

And one of my favorite past times is to crack open a Miller light and enjoy myself some Miller time during the winter time, because when there's a brisk chill in the air it just makes everything right. My friends and I who live down here in South Florida can actually sit outside because it's not super muggy. We can thoroughly enjoy our Miller time together. And for you listening I know there's a lot of things going on right now. Sports? Chief among them! Nothing more important than sports!

From basketball and hockey to game night, winter means more moments with the coolest people in your life. Make these moments even better with Miller Lite, the great tasting light beer for people who love beer. Now's the perfect time for friends, family, and a great tasting light beer. Tastes like Miller Time. And you know Miller Lite is brewed for taste. It hits different than other light beers and at just 96 calories and 3.2 grams of carbs

per 12 ounces, Miller Time is always a good time. Miller Lite, great taste, 96 calories. Go to MillerLite.com slash Dan to find delivery options near you, or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Tastes like Miller Time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. The Dan Levitard Show with StuGots is sponsored by BetterHelp. Who's in your support system and how have they changed your life? Think about your favorite leaders, mentors, idols, they don't all have the answers, but they do know when to ask for help.

In a world that glorifies hyperindependence, we sometimes forget that we thrive with support. We're stronger, healthier, and more resilient when we have people to lean on. Therapy is one of the best ways to build that support system. It helps with positive coping skills, setting boundaries, and becoming the best version of yourself. Here's the thing, therapy isn't just for those who've experienced major trauma. It's for everybody. Whether you're facing a big life transition, feeling overwhelmed, or just want to grow, therapy can help. That's where BetterHelp comes in. With over 30,000 credential therapists, you can find somebody who truly understands you. It's fully online, making therapy accessible, affordable, and convenient.

No waiting rooms, no long commutes, just the support you need whenever and wherever you need it. And by the way, if you ever feel like switching therapists, it's no cost to you whatsoever. Build your support system with BetterHelp. Visit betterhelp.com slash D-L-B today to get 10% off your first month. That's BetterHelp, H-E-L-P dot com slash D-L-B.