The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Wearing Nothing But a Ribbon (feat. Domonique Foxworth)

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

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Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by Draft Kings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it.

And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar. Hey, yo, this episode of the Dan Levitart show is presented by Draft Kings. Draft Kings! The crown is yours. Let's play for Dominique Foxworth some sound here of a chance. Chiefs fan ripping Josh Allen. Always funny when old people rip athletes, I feel like. Buffalo defense. Ned hit Josh Allen in the nuts.

If he has any. Of all his injuries. Deck his ass. Chicken shit. You ran out of them. 60-yard boot. Deck his ass. Hell yeah.

Chicken shit. Bunch up in the nuts. If he's got any. She knows ball. And balls, yes. Drake May appears to have taken the top of the division. Did you hear from anybody, Dominique, before the season, you told us, the Colts were going to be good. Did you hear from anybody before the season that would have predicted 11 games in that the Patriots would have the best record in the sport?

Absolutely not. I think we thought the O-line would take more time to come together. And we thought Drake May was a good quarterback, but not developing to the guy that he is now. And the defense still, as good as it's played, they still have some shortcomings. They give up big plays every now and then. a little more often than you would like, but Mike Frable's done something special there really quickly. And I know that you're going to call me out for just when you can't explain something to say the coaching just did it, but I can't explain it. So I guess maybe it's the coach. It's the only

thing that we don't understand fully. Dominique, is it possible to build chemistry with someone by watching them on TV when you were in middle school? I missed something. Obviously, I missed something. I haven't listened to the show. Drake May was asked when he started trusting Stefan Diggs and he said when he started watching him when he was 13 in middle school. Yeah. I mean, I was going to say hell no. But I guess in that case, I was like you, Dan, I had to sound off last night. Is that something they said in the broadcast or something? Post-game interview. It's something Drake was saying, we pulled the Kentucky fraud chickens on him because we don't, Tony said correctly that trust is a two-way street.

It's not when you want somebody to get open. So like I feel like in that case, trust in a receiver is about knowing that he's going to be open and knowing he's going to catch the ball. It's definitely, don't you have any athletes that you trust? Do you not trust Patrick Mahomes? Never met him. Trust them at the end of a game. You don't ask Patrick Mahomes.

I mean, I wouldn't ask. You just literally made my point, Dominique. I don't know Patrick Mahomes, but I trust him. Drake May, who's 13 years old. Not a two-way street. Okay, but my point is this. The two-way street is later. You were here in the segment.

I already explained it. So, now you, Dominic, hold on a second. So Drake May in middle school is watching Stefan digs get open on everybody, right? He trusts him from that angle of like, oh, if I know one thing, Stefan's going to get open if he's running a 15-yard out, right? Now the second part of the trust is Stefan Diggs meets Drake May. I trust that Drake May from throwing me the ball in practice, now the trust is a two-way

street. I trust him now. Trust that he's not going to throw me into getting hit or anything. Exactly. So I feel like is Tony the only one who believes that this is possible? because I've got to be honest, Tony. I love you. Don't like my company.

I don't like if everybody else is there, Amin and Dan and Chris and Mike and everyone else are like now. Towers are all cowards that don't want to speak up is what it is. This is nonsense. I think you're right. I agree with you. But I'm going to have to rethink it before I fully commit. We got to win some other people over.

I mean, I think it's a responsible thing to do. Dominique, are the Packers unsirious or are they just too hurt? Unsurious. Unfortunately, I think the answer is that they are currently an unscernic. serious outfit because it's not one thing like if it was just there too hurt at the offensive line and that was the problem that's one thing they're just too hurt at the receivers and that was a problem that's another thing they're having pre-snap penalties on big important downs and their quarterback occasionally throws back across his body into the chest of a defender it's just

a bunch of different things and that's the part that makes them feel unsurious like it feels better when there's one thing you can point to like this is when this guy comes back or if we can correct this thing. Part of their problem, and I guess it could give you some optimism if you are a Packers fan, it's like we can put all these things to decide, but their problem is I don't know exactly how to fix what's wrong with them because every game, or even in the course of the Eagles game, there are a number of different problems, and they were all different throughout the course of the game on offense. But you don't think they win that game if Jaden Reed is simply out there because that is a huge absence for them. When anything breaks out, when Love needs to make a play, he looks for Jaden Reed,

and he's been out since week two. Yeah, I'm sure. that that would help, but I mean, they lost to the Panthers and they lost to the Browns also. So, like, that's part of the problem for me is it's not just, I think we can get away with small sample size explaining away a bad performance for a lot of teams in this league, but the sample size isn't that small for their offense underachieving and, like, games that they should play better. And, like, I would be fine if this Eagles game popped up if we didn't have those other games to point back to and say, yeah, their offense is kind of inconsistent and doesn't show up when they need them most.

pre-snap penalties, and I was railing about this earlier in the week in the way that Tom Coughlin might, but I really want an answer from you on this. If my team is at home, given the military complex of the week of preparation that is football, if I'm playing at home, is it my reasonable right as a coach to believe that the entirety of the season, not a single one of my players, will ever false start at home when they come out of the huddle? Because they've been told what the snap count is, and they should know the snap count. This is absolutely unreasonable. I heard you doing this rant earlier, and I get where you come from, but it's spoken by

like someone who never put their hand in the dirt. You got to put your hand in the dirt. Can you imagine the number of things in Dan? You of all people, I think you appreciate the intelligence that it requires to play this game. None of the other things do I have to remember if I don't remember the first thing. Like, if I don't, if I get the first thing wrong, all the other things I have to remember become irrelevant. I feel there must be offensive linemen throughout the sport who have never had a false start penalty,

who have had 10-year careers without having a false start. There must be. Possibly, maybe. I strongly doubt that there's a starting offensive lineman that's had 10-year career and never jumped off sides. But I think you're right. And part of the problem or part of the reason why it happens is because it's so obvious and so easy. And it's so like run in the middle. it's not the thing that you're thinking about when you approach the line

and you see a super athlete trying to rush you and there's a motion that you have to be aware of and you've got to check the protection and the defense is shifting and in your mind this is the biggest third down of the game it might tilt the balance of your career and you're in a contract year. Then you move. I don't understand how you don't see how this is possible

that you could overlook something so obvious. Because the ha-ha is to fool them. They told me in the huddle what that was. They told me. But Dan, you never put your hand in the dirt, though. That's the issue. You're having this conversation. It was too busy holding a piece of paper in the air.

Can we get just like a small, like, mason jar of dirt so Dan can stick his hand in it and see if he feels the same about this BS-ass take? You just got to feel a dirt. It'll help you understand. You've never seen Miles Garrett on the other side. Did you get an off-sides penalty of the entirety of your career? Were you playing bump and running? Did you ever jump off sides? No.

Like, it's impossible for me to jump off sides. He's going to yard the way. If he did, I'd be impressed. Yeah, I would blitz every occasion from the corner spot, but I would wait and react or from the nickel or something like that. Even in high school, in college, I'd never really jump upside. Did I have other stupid penalties on occasion? Yeah, those things happen because you're thinking about 100 other things.

I can't find anything on pre-snap penalties, but Zach Martin retired never having held over 6,600 snaps. A corner jumping offside. Especially stupid. Dog, that would be amazing. I'd love to see that. I mean, the quick jam. Like, that could potentially happen if you're doing a quick jam, but it's, I mean, that's really unlike it.

Think about the quarterback's cadence for him to get the cornerback? What happened? Oh, God damn. So if it happened to somebody, what you would say, well, he was thinking about so many other things. He's got so many other responsibilities that he has to be thinking of. Dad, you never forget to unload the dishwasher. You never forgot to do something around the holl. that is obvious and simple.

Not Dan, Dan's never made a mistake. You never forget anything. It's a steel trap. It's not a mistake. It's not a mistake if they told me in the huddle when we were going. They told me. I told you to do the dishes.

I listened to this show for decades. You messed up your own name one time, Dan. Shut the hell up. Like, your brain is not so much better than everyone else's. I understand how ridiculous it is, but it doesn't happen that often. There's not a ton of false starts because. the hard count guy guys, but occasionally it's going to happen. I don't think I messed

up my own name. When did I mess up my own name? If you had to bet. If you had a bet. Hey, hey, dad, the fact that you can't remember it, case and point. Steel trap? Nah, that's a wood trap you got up there now, man. Mike Ryan is always criticizing various forms

of my text behavior. Why did he include you on a group text with 30 people you do not know? I love it. Mike is such a good guy. I was talking about tennis and he has a tennis group chat. Yeah. And so I got it in tennis group chat and I want to engage.

Like, I don't want to be a bad taxer. I've been working on getting better at it. However, I don't know nobody, so I don't know how to act. Oh, yeah. I say, it's you. It's like three people in there that I know. And so I got jokes that I want to say. I don't know if I get, it's just a bunch of, you know, the phone numbers come up.

It's a bunch of strangers from all over the country talking about tennis. And I can't really fully engage because. I don't know who these people are. I don't want them to think I'm crazy because what I would say, if it was just me, Mike and Amin, would be very different than what I would say, depending on who's in the chat. Dominique, I'll back up on this one because I think John Isner is in it, and I made some sort of, like, to hell with Georgia remark,

and I don't think he took it well. I was like, oh, I thought they were all like, tell me, tell me here. Exactly. Exactly. I didn't know John Isner was in there. Now I'm definitely not going to share my bullshit tennis opinions with a professional tennis player. I don't know anything. So you don't know.

You don't know how to act here. Amina is acting the way that he always acts, but you simply don't know how to act. I had to pull back because I thought I could act the way I always act. And then, like, I didn't get a warm response. It was like, oh, okay. You know what this kind of party. I also, yeah, I don't know.

I don't want to get into that situation because I had a couple jokes pop up. And then there are some people who are freewheeling. They send some things that they feel confident about. And I'm like, can I like this? I want them to know that this is safe. But I also don't want anybody else to think I'm on this team if this is the wrong place. No, you can't act the same way at work as you do amongst your friends. Have you heard of Goldbelly?

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John Malaney That's the $2 yeah Yeah that's a bad fine Wow everybody started shaking their head I mean he's arguably

the most popular comedian right now James Mulvaney Stugats Put it on the poll Girm is John Mulvaney the most popular

columnist At Levitarch Oh my god comedian Dan Jesus get it together Excuse me comedian my bad This is the

Don Lebatar show with the Stugats Amin was right earlier in the show when I was saying I don't expect Patriots regression from Drake May and he's saying well what carryover is there from you thinking this organization has been good for 20 years and what I'm waving around is that you know per Doug Claussen year two quarterbacks with two 200 plus passing yards in each of the first 11 games of a season.

The list is 2018 Patrick Mahomes, MVP, 1984, Dan Marino MVP, 225, 2025 Drake May. Like, that's the list of people who have done it. Oh, did you just mess up a year? How could you mess up the year? It's the year that we're in right now. He didn't forget it. He just, he merely misspoke. But, Dominique, I guess my point was Dan was saying, we're not going to see any regression from Drake May. And I said, well, what proof is that?

I was like, well, because the organization, I said, Dan, most of the people working there were and weren't there from when they were dominant previously. I mean, there's a couple of people. Yeah, but not just the organization. Also, year two quarterbacks don't have this kind of pocket presence. He's great. I'm just saying this game has a way of figuring people out, of bringing it back down to earth. I remember there's a point where you guys were swooning over Justin Herbert. And yeah, he's still great, but it's not like what you were talking about in his first or second year.

And so, Dominique, is it possible that, like, can you unequivocally, not unequivocally, but can you confidently say, no, it's smooth sailing from here on now? I think the Patriots are going to be good offensively for 10 years if he doesn't get hurt. Yeah, I mean, I think that you guys are saying two different things. I think that what you can say about the Patriots for the rest of Drake May's healthy career, you can probably pretty confidently say they're going to be pretty good. But, I mean, those names that you mentioned, Patrick Mahomes stands out. Like, he's had some years, and that offense just is really. recent as last year, and part of this year I've had some pretty rough runs right there. So I think is he going to be this level of quarterback all the time?

Of course not. He's going to have some years where things don't work out the way that he plans, be it injuries or his own, like, decision-making, things will change. But I think it's pretty fair to say that he's going to be one of the best quarterbacks in the league for years to come. So the Patriots are safe there. So a C.J. Stroud type thing is never going to happen to him. I mean, I would say that the thing that's happened to C.J. Stroud,

is part CJ Stroud, but mostly they won't protect my man. And so I think if you put C.J. Stroud in a slightly better situation and his receivers can stay healthy, I think C.J. Stroud, you see it. And to be honest, C.J. Stroud's first year, we were raving about how impressive he was because it was relative to our expectations for him. Like, if you go back and look at the stats from that season, it wasn't all that great. Like, it was good. And he was attacking deep down field. He was playing in a way that we didn't expect.

and we were like projecting he's going to be one of the best quarterbacks in league based on what we were seeing. But in that year, I think he, yeah, I think his QBR was like in the 60s or, yeah, like the 60s or high 50s. It wasn't like he was in the 80s bawling out the way Drake May is right now. The Giants seem to have a young quarterback at a desirable contract and they have young skill guys that are hurt. But what do you do with that head coach vacancy if you're the New York Giants? I mean, I think the obvious trap is to go try to find the best offensive. mind. And we underappreciate the minds of defensive coaches. I think you can see a lot of the best head coaches in football right now came from the defensive side of the ball. Of course,

there's some good offensive coaches also. But I think given the last several years, 10 years or so, of Giants football has kind of been disjointed and like unorganized. I think they need to hire somebody who can kind of get the whole organization in alignment, which is weird because they kept Joe Shane, who he's not incentivized to hire somebody who has the track record. or the power or the know-how to take over an entire organization because he's the general manager. He doesn't want to give up any of that power. So there's some complications there with the ownership group

that might make it more difficult. But I don't think that he should focus on a hire that's only for the quarterback. Dominique, Dart has been in concussion protocol four times already. He's diagnosed with one against the Bears, but he's been protocol four times. How would you, if you were the Giants, protect him for the rest of the season?

Because the last thing we want is another tool on our hands. Yeah, I think that he obviously needs to protect himself. And I think implicit in your question is like, would you sit him out or would you play him? It's like, no, I think I would definitely play him. He needs to reps. He needs to learn. And these are lower stakes situations. And I think that's part of what he needs to understand is in the course of a game, if it's first and 10 in the second quarter,

we don't need like Super Bowl John Elway helicopter dives. And I understand he thinks he's bringing, or he is bringing some energy to this team and setting the tempo and you'll see Patrick Mahomes do stuff like this at times too but I think he needs this experience to understand even in that game we saw Caleb had a bunch of a few big runs early in the game

he slides later in the game he's diving for the goal line like I think understanding the situation is more important for him and you're not going to be able to demonstrate that unless you get him out on the field I have yet to locate Dan screwing up his old name but I did find multiple examples of him screwing up other names we start with John Malaney

who is the comedian is it it, James Mulvaney? Ah, COVID. Dominique. Go ahead, Dan. No, I just, I, I, you want to defend yourself, Dan? That, not defend myself.

That sentence represents me looking in the mirror and recognizing in the middle of the pandemic, I've descended into old age. Is it James Mulvaney? It's the moment that I put the tombstone on. That's where it is that I got old. It wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't James Mulvaney.

in your defense, you were just asking the question. Did you like mess his name up like three more times in that same little block? They're like, I think Chris was taking it easy. If I remember correctly, you couldn't get it at all. You needed Mike to come in and save you. We've got a bunch of big games here on the slate for Sunday. For big games. Dominique, which big game is the biggest of the big games?

Big games. Oh, is that, that's a Zaslo, right? We get a big game. That's my bad. Tell that man to get some clothes Show his wife some respect Don't go on a date And a wrestling shirt, man

That's what I was trying to tell him He needs to go like the ones That we have like the knit shirt With some linen pants Yeah, get a little sexy You do not want to see Zaslo The knit shirt I want Tony to dress Zaslo

I want to do this The problem with that is Or I think Zazlo What he doesn't understand Is he's created such a low expectation That he would kill If he just popped out one night People like me and Tony

That's fly all the time I'm like, I don't get no extra points when I'm fly. My wife is just like, yeah, you're supposed to be fly. That's how you are. But Zaz has created such a low bar. All that man got to do is put on a button. Just one button. Get you a polo with one damn button.

And she's going to be like, oh, my gosh. She's going to do the special thing that you love, Zazz. But anyway, the Rams and the Seahawks. That's the game to me. Like that seems like those are the best two teams in the NFC right now and two of the teams that seem to have the fewest weaknesses of anybody in NFL. I think when you look at their track record, one of the problems with a lot of the teams in football right now is they don't have a lot of great, really impressive wins, and that's in part because there aren't a lot of great teams to beat. But whoever wins that game, and it's another test for Sam Darnold, who he had a couple bad games against the Rams in recent history and a couple bad games in a bit situation.

So we're going to be looking forward to seeing how he performs in that game. So, yeah, that's the biggest of the bigs to me. Dan screws up the bear, Chris Felica. Chris Falica. Oh, it was penis-related, too. He's in the tennis set. You said about a month ago before I heard anyone else saying it that Smith and Jigba is the best receiver in the sport,

and then I look up every time in the second quarter and it's four catches for 82 yards. Everyone knows the ball's going to him and no one can stop it. It feels like Justin Jefferson. No, he feels, it's funny because nothing about his play, excuse me, jumps out the way that you see Justin Jefferson. But then if you watch him very closely, you'll see the nuances in his route running and you see the way that he finds the holes in zones.

He's kind of a technician in that way. But he still, what shocks me is without having explosive, like crazy, crazy speed. He is the best deep ball play. in football so far this year. And I think we get enamored. I'm a sucker for this, especially around draft time, is with the numbers, like the big numbers, guys who run fast, guys who are really tall

and who look good in their uniform and have put up ridiculous stats in college. And forget that there's so many other things about the game that I think can work out. And you get in a good situation, like he's in with that quarterback Sam Darno right now. He's, to me, at least, right now the best receiver. What you're saying there, does it have any precedent for you guys?

when you think off the top of your head. Oh, best deep threat in the sport. Not that fast. Jerry Rice. Not that fast. Jerry Rice is a decent. Jerry Rice is absolutely a great example. I would say Mike Evans, too.

Good deep threat, not that fast. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to make it seem like he's slow. It's just like when you think of the deep threat, you think of somebody like Xavier Worthy, right? Who's like setting records flying back, Rishishaheed, who they just grabbed. on the Seahawks also, like those guys that are just running past people.

But yeah. See, Jerry Rice doesn't, Jerry Rice, while obviously no question, great, everyone says, best receiver ever, it's a consensus thing. It's not let's throw him the Randy Moss deep balls. Like Randy Moss was faster than everyone else. Tyreek Hill is faster than everyone else. You can't be the best deep ball, not to my way of thinking. You cannot be the best deep ball threat in that league unless you're faster than the corners.

I watched the games with Randy Moss two weeks ago and I was nervous the whole time. We were, um, no, I mean, I dropped the name to say. Look at me, he, Roy. I like that. Whoa, a mean, dirt. I don't, I don't condone that. I mean, I don't condone that. I thought we disgusted. I thought we discussed it.

I thought we discussed it. That's bad. I thought we erased this from the soundboard. By the way, I had a suggestion that they erased the whole soundboard for Dan and just leave him like, just the penalties. Yeah. That's it. I don't know why I mean press that. Wow, what a quote.

By the way, let me say something. Do you guys know what Dan did? Because we've been attacking him about his memory and ability to remember names and stuff. He said, you know what? I'm not going to say J.S.N. I'm going to say the whole damn name.

He just said the last name, which was a choice. That was, that was, no, it's a flex. You know that Jackson doesn't spell it CK. You know, he spells it with an X. That's cool as hell, right? That's cool as hell. Like Xenopo. You sell.

all of a sudden it's a cool word now. We move on to Dan screwing up the names Lou Williams and Montrez-Harrell. What you're doing that's not fair is you keep mentioning Lou Harris and Lou Williams and Montrell Harris. You keep mentioning. Harold.

Harold, excuse me. It's still not my name that you got me getting wrong there. You got me getting an assortment of names wrong, not my own name. Montel Jordan? It's not their snap count. It's the quarterback snap count.

What difference does it make? The same way, the first thing you hear when you're leaving the huddle and the last thing you hear when you're leaving the huddle is the snap count when you're looking at that sheet of people

that you're talking about the name. Like, that's the one. The reason why I chose names because it's so obvious that you assume that you won't mess it up. I mean, let's get off my guys back. We move on to Dan trying to say

Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets. A means Golden State, gold, Georgia Tech yellow jackets. Have you begun yet? buying gifts. Have you started? What is the correct time? Yes, I'd like to transition out of you burying me in a library filled of my mistakes. Yes, I'd like to transition out of that. Hold on, hold on, hold on. That one was recent, so it should be fresh in your mind.

I would like you to explain to us what the hell was happening. Yellow Golden State Jackets? What is that? Yeah. That's our new name. We were talking about. Golden State, Gold, Georgia Tech Yellow Jacket. The second Golden State is him mocking himself. He, like, mocks himself for saying Golden State. Oh, okay. Don Lebertard.

I took my son to the barbershop, get a haircut, and my man gave out some limp dab. Oh, no. Damn, damn. Stugats. I disowned him. I threw him right under the bus. I was like, whose kid is that out here dishing out,

limp-dap. This is the Dan Leibatar show with the Stoogads. I am not a good gift giver or gift buyer. Unfortunately, my wife takes care of all those things, and I only have to buy one gift for her. And I've already started thinking about it for Christmas as it comes up, and I'm terrible at it. I don't know if you guys got suggestions, if you know what to do,

it's like you don't get the credit I feel like that for buying an expensive gift it's like nice you get expensive gifts but you're supposed to get something really thoughtful and I just suck it I'm not that thoughtful it's a lot it's a lot of pressure right to have to you seem like a good gift giver Dan you seem like you are a good gift giver I try to get gifts yes that know my wife what are you proud of what what I'm putting together this year no not this year just like over the force of, like, your entire, it doesn't even have to be this relationship. All the relationships, I'm, honestly, I'm trying to cheat and steal one of your, you seem like, I do, I do, I do scavenger hunts. So I do things that are funny and nice and thoughtful, so it's six, seven, I don't work for my gift.

Eight gifts, yeah. Go downstairs and open up the, that doesn't feel like much of a gift. Look underneath the, the flowers, the flowers in the lobby. Hey, hold on, hold on, what's the final, where's the final? Is it like you laying in the bed? Yeah. Is that the final spot? an arrow down. Here it is.

A beautiful. That is. How did you guys see through me so well? It's me on a bears spin rock with an arrow pointing down in my penis. Yes, that's the big gift at the end. There are those Lexus ribbons on it. It's simply to remember. It is.

It's me just wearing one of those ribbons you put on an SUV when you're giving it. You send her all around Miami. hot-ass Miami sweating and thinking and tired and come back present baby how did this get turned around on me I was asking the group

how they are at gift giving how did this get turned all of you are thoughtless Mike you're not a thoughtless gift giver there's no way that you're a thoughtless romantic I got nothing on you pal I'm nothing on you

I am thoughtless compared to you you're doing a scavenger hunt aren't you for your anniversary look at Jeremy's sweater there's no way he's thoughtless come on I didn't even know Jeremy was here I was trying not to talk

so that you wouldn't also bully me for wearing this cardigan I think be honest with you I think you look kind of fly I gotta like it I gotta like it I think you need a little jewelry

I know you need a little jewelry I know I was given a chain I had one it broke because it was cheap because it wasn't real obviously I'm not spending that type of money I need a thousand dollars from Dan over the weekend hopefully the chief's cover minus three and a half but look

walking down the street. Oh, never mind. Never mind. Never mind. I thought I didn't, it says Miami on it. Oh, yeah. It's a Miami heat. It's Miami heat. You get it. Court culture. You know, shout out court culture. Shout out that guy who stopped me on the way here. Shout out the concierge down here at the Elser who was giving me compliments.

Shout out a means guy at the American Airlines lounge yesterday. Joseph, the bartender. Yeah, Joseph the bartender. Dominique, look what you did. Can I tell you, yeah, I'm sorry. Can I tell you the gift that I got my wife that I thought she was going to really appreciate that. it didn't work out. It was a few anniversaries ago.

And my wife like really loves music and especially like old music, 90s R&B. Like we all love 90s R&B. A lot of Drew Hill playing in the house, a lot of Jodicey, a lot of that type of stuff playing at all times. So I mean, of course I took her dinner and all that stuff.

And then the one like thing that I thought she would find like funny and also appreciate was I got a cameo from Cisco telling us happy anniversary and he mispronounced my name it was like perfect it was funny he was like I don't know don't quade he wanted to say it and like I thought it's perfect it was funny it's good she was like oh okay I was like I got Cisco song song Dom you're telling me Cisco's on cameo he was a few years ago I don't know what he's doing now you know who else is on cameo me at Darth a me you can order a cameo right now birthdays who bar mitz was bot

Missions, whatever, anniversaries, I do it all. At Darth a mean, we're running a special right now. Don't miss it. You got that special, too? Funerals, too. I'll send you the Cisco video if I can find it. He's unavailable right now, Cisco. I was looking up to see how much it would cost.

So wait, the gift, you say you're a bad gift giver, and yet you're sitting here trying to give your wife something that is both thoughtful and funny, and she finds it neither. Yeah, that's called being a bad gift giver, Dan, because I'm trying. I would love, there are plenty of things that I'm not good at

but I don't try so it's fine. When I'm trying, I'm gonna do this. One year, I think, surprisingly, I wrote her a terrible poem a long time ago,

which again, I was like, this will be, no, no, that's a good effort. Good effort. To be clear, I mean,

I knew I'm not a poet. I was like, this will be funny and also get across the point that I'm trying to get across. And that was actually a gift that it worked out. And then,

of course, there's like, you buy diamonds, every anniversary or every so often, and those go over well, but it never gets to quite the reaction of like something that's thoughtful where it's like, oh, you nailed it. Now, I want to be good at these things. So I remember that, but you can't go back to it.

That's the thing. Dan, you can only put your sexy body at the end of a scavenger hunt once. You can't do that every year. Oh, no, that arrow has been used for nine or ten years now. It's the same ribbon I'm wearing as a thong every single year. It's all tattered. You mentioned Jeremy getting complimented by strangers. Is that something that you do at all? Are you comfortable enough? Are you

man enough, Dominique, to just compliment a stranger with no agenda? I've been trying to do that more often because I recognize, like, I go to New York for work every week, and it's probably once or twice a year, somebody will say something nice to me. And I will remember it for my whole life. So this is my goal going forward. Does anybody else do that? Like, I think it takes a bit of confidence, and you have to be careful, obviously, because some people think you're hitting on him. But my wife's hairdresser came over a couple days ago and his cologne smelled great. It's like, that smelled great. He's been telling everybody that I said his cologne smells great. And I just understand how good that feels. And I want to do it more often. And Dan, you do a really good job

hosting this show, man. You're really impressive and talented and awesome. And I love the gray in your beard. It is actually a very easy way to make something stick with somebody in a way that brightens up somebody's day. I don't imagine Amin does very much of that. No, this is the Doc Rivers Press conference, right? Someone asks you a question, say, what a smart question. And then they love you forever after that. So I think in professional settings,

oddly enough, I think it's a very effective tool. That's what I use it. When you tell someone like, hey man, if you're a guest on a podcast, like, oh man, thanks for having me. I'm big fan of the show. You know, never listen to that episode. What's your favorite episode? But you say that. You just say, well, you know what you do? I do a little Google search, right? Just so you have one in the

holster? Yeah, one in the holster. I can talk about, like, semi-intelligently. But like on the street saying like, hey man, that's a nice sweater. Nah, man. Yeah, but that's all agenda based. You're not doing something to spread feel good. You're just lying. You're just lying to spread your own agenda. Well, that's what he's doing. No, he's complimenting

a stranger for no reason other than to make him feel good. I'm saying when I get a genuine compliment from somebody it makes me feel good and I try to do that more often and you made that point about going on shows. Is there anything that you get all the time because people check my Wikipedia before I

going their show and they always bring up that I was born in England like they're the first person to find that and I have to go through the same thing of like yeah my dad was in the military no I didn't have that accent we left before then but every time I go on the show I know that you've checked my wiki because if you say hey you're born in England huh good day that that is worse I think that's worse than not knowing anything about you correct for them to just cite the first sentence of your Wikipedia is so lazy that it's offensive to you as a former professional athlete. It's funny

to me because I know what they did. They looked at it and they were like, oh, that's so random. No one probably brings this up. I'm going to shock them by bringing this up off the bat and it's going to soften them up. It's going to be great. And I play along. Oh, yeah. My day, Middle Day. Happy Veterans Day.

It's cool. But it's really not that interesting a story because I don't remember anything. I think they're going to get something out of it. Like, did you play soccer girl? it? Like, no, I don't remember at all. We stationed there. I was born. Like fishing chips? That was it. Poor, blimey.

Did you start with a good A? Like, I feel like it started with a good A. Oh, it sounded more Australian. I was very confused. I wanted to ask both you and mean something that's happening over in MLS where they seem to have made a bad business decision

putting their games behind a paywall. And Inter Miami right now is in the middle of what is going to be a one-month period playing the first round of MLS with Leonel Messi. Yes, I mean. I won't lie. When you started with, I wanted to ask you and me a question. I go, what black topic are we going to have to tackle today? No business.

No business. We're trying to be tough. It was right here. Donique was born in English. Oh, that's right. I made the same face as you. As soon as he was like, I want to ask you to mean a question. Oh, man.

We're about to get into it. Yes, Colin Kaepernick, I blackball. I went with a business question asking my front office guys for some expertise on decisions a league made in growth and expansion of his league. I tell you Apple as a partner, everybody

would say yes. But now they're going to make their games free next year because they did real damage to their league by putting all of their games behind a paywall. Free behind the normal paywall. They were like double paywall. You had to have... Two paywall. You had to have like MLS season pass.

Now, if you have Apple TV, you get access to the entire MLS. It is a capitulation on MLS's part to say, hey, this didn't work. Viewerships down attendance. You could always count on MLS attendance being strong. Attendance has dipped down to 2022 levels right now. Why do you think attendance is down? Do you think it's related? I don't know if it's related to it.

I mean, last year their attendance was good, but they had a huge boom with Messi being the novelty. And for it, I can understand it's sliding, but to slide to 2022 levels, that is not the sustainable growth model that they touted so proudly. Seems like Mike is the person that you should have asked this question to, but I think that you can tie the stretch, I don't think it's a stretch to tie the attendance going down to the viewership going down, because like you follow a team. You want to go to the games, you want to watch the games that you don't go to. I think you have more buy-in. And I think we all kind of pointed at this time as this being kind of a bad idea.

Because to your point, Dan, you said they're in a growth stage. Like, if you're in a growth stage, you want it as easily accessible as possible. And you may not want to try to maximize revenue. Any time a company is building, you'll see it. Like a new company is going to give you a bunch of promotions, give you a bunch of discounts, try to get you, make it so this product is a habit for you.

And you don't have to clear anything. It'll give you samples in the mall. They're trying to get you to stop and buy it. Like, they did the opposite. They're like, you've got to get reservations to come to this new restaurant that no one has heard of that no one really likes in a country that is barely into it. So, like, I think it was an interesting strategic move. It probably was financially more beneficial to them in the moment. But I think in long term, it's going to, it's already had a bit of a bit of a bit of it.

They're the worst crack dealers ever. We saw, we saw Spotify do a reversal when they try to make their podcast exclusive. We've seen the WWE's business. humble quite a bit. Netflix doesn't even release viewership numbers for Monday Night Raw, and now MLS is doing this. I understand as a commissioner of a league, he has to take like the big money deal, but in retrospect, this went against the best interests of the league by putting it behind this

paywall, a league that was trying to grow, a league that has the benefit of hosting a World Cup this coming summer. In retrospect, big mistake? Yeah, seems like it. I mean, I would have thought that W. I'm not a WWE guy, but like it's a long-standing business that has really locked in fan base and Netflix is probably the most common streaming service. I would have thought that if anything, if there was any league or entertainment property that could like survive and not be impacted by it, it would be the WWE. Of course, the NFL is one, but I even think if you put a paywall up for the NFL, it would have a dramatic negative impact on it.

But I guess we have those Christmas games to look at, right? Those are the Netflix games. Oh, I love to see the numbers. The Amazon games technically are paywalled game. Yeah. You guys, you cannot have a business decision. You can't have what I'm about to say. You actually struck gold on all things messy related,

and you didn't grow your league while it was happening. Like, those two things can't. Like, that is a management failure of the highest order to have the best player in the world deliver on being the best player in the world, and you're not growing your league while it happened. I think they were ambitious. They thought, like, people are going to be like, oh, messy, I don't care. The sight unseen, here's my money.

And what they found out is, again, this market is a tough nut to crack. I also think that it's possible that these decisions always seem so obvious to us on outside. But when you're in a room like that, there's a lot of different things competing pulling one way or the other. And I'm sure that they want their franchise values to grow up. Like, that's the most important thing. And they have to find a new way to demonstrate that franchise values are going up. I think the assumption was probably that they'll get more money from Apple with this paywall deal, like right now. And that'll show a jump in revenue, which will lead to increase the franchise values, which is what, like, we only look at ratings as the only measure.

But I think, like, franchise value and revenue, especially for a young league, is probably something that they're a lot more concerned about than we would think. So they probably went into it. I can't imagine that they thought that their numbers would go up. I'm sure they didn't think that they would crater, but they went into it. I'm assuming, thinking that they'll be able to demonstrate that this is a much more profitable business than originally thought to be. The Dominique Foxworth Show is something that all of you should listen to because it is smart and interesting and different.

You should stop in on the live watch on Sunday during Chiefs Must Win against the Broncos. The shipping container has a $5,000 bet. You should pop in at some point on Sunday, Dominic. Yeah, I like that. Nick Wright is making it real hard for us guests. We're all supposed to come in and... I was going to say, can you drop a little bit? Yeah, can you drop a little bit?

I know you got money. Let me go see. Let me go check these couch cushions, see what I can throw on top of that. Let me go see. In the couch cushion. See you later, Dominique. On the poll at Lebitard show, does Dominique actually have coins in his couch cushions? Folks, the leaves are turning.

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