The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: What Is Your Spaghetti Policy? (feat. The 65-Inch Jewish Texan)

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

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Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by Draft Kings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other damnline. Levitard podcast. I'm sorry. I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar. This episode of the Dan Levitart show is presented by Draft Kings. Draft Kings. The crown is yours. David Samson is here with us.

Nothing Personal is the name of the podcast, and I keep telling you to listen to it. He's developed an unusual connection with his audience that is seeing some humanity as he comes through a very difficult time and tries to do his show, which is better on sports business than any I've heard. And I will tell you, the sporting class with Pablo Tori finds out, is the best sports business podcast that there is, if you listen to it, you will find more expertise in an hour than you will find anywhere else in podcasting. I don't think I have that wrong. I've listened to enough people in this business who don't know what they're talking about, David, that it makes me wonder, honestly, how often you're listening to people on television talking with expertise about sports business and you're like, this person's an amateur. This person is speaking about this very poorly.

It is amazing what happens when people have no idea what they're talking about but think they do or they think they're journalists and they're not and they have opinions that are based on the belief that they have, which isn't actually ground in any reality. And then we sit there and decide, are we going to react to that? Are we going to say no, that's not the case? And I spent too much in my career trying to explain to people what was real. And it turned a few people off. So I apologize for that.

Good thing. We got nothing but journalists in this room right here, David. Was that a shot at Zaslow? Was that a shot? It's just funny. Like Zaz, I love you, man. You're not a journalist. My degree says otherwise.

really that's your rebuttal clip it i know i i want to be nice because zaz has been super nice so i'm having an issue because i'm not a journalist and i don't know how to not be show grace to people or showing grace to me but zaz i'm just going to escape my personal situation for one minute and say just because you have a degree in journalism does not make you a journalist are you a lawyer i am admitted to the bar but i'm not a practicing lawyer if i said to you David, are you a lawyer? Your answer is what? Yes or no?

Yes. Okay, then. I have a law degree. You should have been like, I'm not a practicing journalist. Same here? No, but that, but if you're saying that, Saz, then I'm good. If you're saying that you're not a practicing journalist, then I'm good. All I say is I'm a journalist.

And sometimes I do come in here and I report things. And you know what, Dan? A lot of times those are right. He's been on fire. He's broken more news than you. He's had like five stories in the last six months that you haven't had, David. Like, he's been a newsbreaker. I'm not a newsbreaker, Dan.

Is this the first time you're listening to Nothing Personal? You'd say that you listen every day. I don't break news on nothing personal. I'm just saying that as a jerk, he's got the degree you mentioned, and he breaks stories. What were these stories? Well, hold on. What's the last story you broke, Zaz? Nico Harrison being fired?

He had it before anybody. The day of? You said he should get fired. No, no, no. I said he's going to be fired. No, no, no. He reported it as fact. Okay.

No, he's got like five in the last... Yeah, yeah, yeah. One. I also reported that Jimmy Butler, Steph Corrie, and Jamon Green are not playing the game here, and everyone won a lot of money. I think Jujo included. That wasn't a report.

He did report that. None of these are, but let's move on. Three. Oh, we're still doing this? He's got more. He's had... Yeah, Dan keeps saying he got more. So far, two of them, not actual reports, but we keep moving.

Let me think about it. He had sucks up. Didn't you have the Florida coach first? Oh, okay. Yes, that's right. Yeah, no, he totally had that. That was Zaz exclusive. I had Lane Kiffin going, Ellisier.

What are you doing? Yeah. You were on the group chat. How dare you? He's a reporter. You guys are questioning, anyway, you guys are questioning his credentials. He's saying he's a journalist and all of you. Anyway, all right.

I could talk about this for a long time, but there's sports business stuff to talk about. And the Bears moving to Indiana, what are we doing there? I want everyone to stay calm. The Bears are not moving to Indiana, but they're threat. So page one of the new stadium playbook is when you're not getting the amount of money from the taxpayers that you want, you threaten to go somewhere. So the CEO of the Bears released an open letter to the fans yesterday saying the whole Arlington racetrack stadium that we told you was a go. Actually, we can't get enough public money. So now we've got to look elsewhere, including Northwest Indiana, which is me.

Running the Marlins saying, you know what, Miami, we're so angry, we're going to look in Broward. Like, that'll really get everyone's going. No, I threatened to move to Texas or Vegas or Oregon. You don't threaten to move to northwest Indiana. But then the governor of Indiana came out and said, we are all in on getting the bears here to northwest Indiana. I laughed at the whole thing. The whole thing's crazy. David, didn't you wear a cowboy hat in order to kind of like...

He did. I did. I wanted people to think I was a Texan, a little 65-inch Jewish Texan. I had cowboy boots, too. How effective is this move going to be? Because this is a page out of the Chief's playbook, and the Chiefs are probably positioned even better because they're in a border town. Getting Kansas to throw public money at this, that makes Kansas feel like it's big time. It's a big league market now.

So, like, how often are we going to see this, or is this just unique to the geography? Oh, no. You want people fighting against each other as much as possible. And when you can have two different state legislatures who are each fighting to give you money or a local municipality versus a state, really for teams, it's just dollars. And the more competition, the better. And so the interesting thing about the chiefs is Kansas, it's like the person at the prom, who is the last one and she's just, or he's just standing there and then all of a sudden,

in baseball they used to be called slump busters. And so what that means is it's sort of last and that's just what you're doing. That's what Kansas is to the chiefs. It's a slump buster. And that's what Indiana is to the bears. It's just not going to happen. David, I have a number of things I want to throw at you at one time just to increase the degree of difficulty of what we're doing here. Can you find on your phone a best photo of you in Cowboy Hat, Boots as we play you stuttering earlier in the show as a professional broadcaster. And we put on the screen a guy eating spaghetti, a weird choice out of a bag at a recent Chicago game, because spaghetti, I mean, what is the worst food I can put in a bag for you to say someone fat can't be doing that? I'm not saying this person is fat, that you and I, if we did this in public, Chris Cody, this would be a sort of.

of eternal shame eating spaghetti right out of a bag. It's not something we've ever seen before. Looks delightful, honestly. As Amin asks you a business question, David, send us the photo over to Lewis of you in a cowboy hat and cowboy boot. Well, first of all, the spaghetti out of a bag thing, me and Jeremy that's an always sunny thing.

Yeah, what's your spaghetti policy? Right? So I don't think of a fat person. I think of Charlie Kelly, moron eating spaghetti out of a bag. But David, I wanted to know, you know, you say, oh, this is just posturing and you try to pit communities against each other to get the money up. What did you think at the time? I know this was a long time ago when the NBA was like, we're going to move this team to Oklahoma City out of

Seattle. Remember, I had some experience with Oklahoma City and that is, there was a minor league team there called the Oklahoma City 89ers. I didn't work for Jeffrey Lurray at the time, but I went to Oklahoma City and was a part of that city many, many times. And it was not a big league city by any stretch. It was a straight minor league town. And there was so much going on with the Seattle Sonics. And I was a fan back in the downtown Freddie Brown days, you know, and then up toward Jack Sykma. And then Kevin Durant comes. But what happened is that team got sold to someone who it was clear they had an interest in moving to Oklahoma City. And it turns out it was an amazing move. It's one of the great dynasties potentially in NBA history. But now Adam Silver is

bending over backwards to get a team back in Seattle. And the irony is the city of Seattle is going to pay more to get the team back than they would have paid to keep the original team there. And that's what I try to explain to cities all the time. So no, Oklahoma City is not a big league city. But again, does it matter? Green Bay is not a big league city. And if you've got a big league team, I guess by definition, you're a big league city. I'd like for you guys to come up with hypotheticals that either Chris or I, I might go to the Jake Paul fight. If I was in one of the good seats eating a food out of a bag, what would be the most embarrassing photo?

I'm saying if I was doing spaghetti out of a bag, whether it's always sunny joke or not, it's simply something I cannot do in public. There's no way for me to eat spaghetti out of a bag. Pudding, particularly tapioca pudding. Hands down. If you're eating pudding or moose out of a Ziploc? Out of a Ziploc bag, yeah.

More disgusting than carbs in the middle of the night with sauce on them? Like, you guys got to be cute. At least it's a meal. Spaghetti is a pretty good visual. It's a special, Chris, would you ever be photographed? Let's do that. Let's do that at the Jake Paul fight. Let's you and me go to the Jake Paul fight and just go with bags of disgusting food to eat.

What if it's lasagna? I don't think you can do much worse than spaghetti. But Mike's got a business question for you here, David, because what's going on with the FIFA prices is interesting. And what's going on with the Jake Paul ticket prices or ticket discounts is interesting. Well, let's stay with the Jake Paul thing, since we're there already. There's emails going out. Email blast. Two-for-one specials, ticket specials for Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua.

That's not good news, right? That means this thing is struggling. There's billboards saying low-ticket alerts, and that's also a move and an indicator that there's actually not a low-ticket alert. Oh, wait. You're saying when the low-ticket alert comes, that means that people pretend, like, at a restaurant where you put red, what's the damn name of it? I'm having a day here, Dan, the red ropes that indicate

the exclusive velvet ropes. And then you walk in the restaurant, you're like, dude, there's a million tables here. Why is there a line outside? Or when you're waiting to get to a club in Vegas, and by the time you get in, there's plenty of room on the dance floor. So I think that what we do when we're selling tickets

and we're pretending that there is demand is we make up the demand. But when we're the promoter and it's actually our money, then I have no shame. If I need to get tickets moved that I know we're not being moved, I'm going to do a bogo. I'm going to cut the prices because I know that $5 is better than $1. So it just depends on supply and demand.

But Jake Paul hasn't experienced this yet, but it's very normal for any entertainment act, which is really what he is. It's just an entertainment act. He's not a boxer. He's just entertainer. So it's very normal that you will do these things as demand and supply ebbs and flows. Maybe claim chowder?

What kind of draw is this to the consumer? Hey, come see Jake Paul get pummeled. I do think that if they are indeed struggling to sell tickets like these specials suggest, maybe we should look at this as a business plan as is this perhaps the end? Or does Jake Paul require the tomato can to move tickets? Well, he's a promoter now, as you know. So he's smart about what he does. He's not just getting purses.

He's actually taking it on both ends. And so when you get in that business, you are not going to have an A plus every single time, but you still promote the C pluses and the B minuses and the Bs. And the fact that he is participating in it on both sides makes a C plus still profitable. Just like in school, you get a C plus, you get to move on to the next class. So I'm not worried about his marketability because he's already diversified his business interests so much that he's not a fighter. He is a business mogul, and that I have great respect for.

Ramen noodles? Let's turn our attention to the FIFA World Cup. It appears as though FIFA bowed to the pressure of the European sports consumer. We've said several times, American consumers beaten down by the system and ticket fees and all that. In Europe, they have actual power, and they rose hell, raised hell. And they actually brought about change. Does this say more about their power? or the lack of demand here in the United States at FIFA probably overestimated.

What change? Are you talking about the $60 tickets like $500 per side for supporters? The Arrowhead Stadium C graphic is crazy. But I do think that the demand, I do think that FIFA overestimated what kind of demand there would be here. And I do think it correlates to the economy. No, I don't think it correlates to the economy. I think it correlates to people have actual fear for World Cup. You count on travel, and I think that there are people, especially after watching last night's

presidential address, I would say that if I am from out of the country, I would probably have no interest in coming to our country right now, especially if what they're going to do is what they say they're going to do as it relates to five years of social media history and your electronic signature history in order to secure permission to come into the country, I would say that that would have a quashing impact. There is not enough local soccer interest in the U.S. United States with U.S.-born people to fill up any stadium anytime, so you do need people to travel, and my guess is that it is way less than they thought.

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Stugats. One, two, three, Brett. One, two, three. Brett. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. Chris Cody, I need your help with an editorial decision. I'd like for you and Jeremy to stop fooling around. I have a number of topics that I need to get in front of David Samson, but I don't know where to go because Trista wants to talk to him about the CBA negotiations.

He's got strong opinions on what's going on with the Oscars and YouTube that I think would actually be something that people didn't know about everything that's changing and streaming. but you just told me that you have the sound of Jimmy Cephalo calling the Miami Miracle and Grunk fooling everybody by not being athletic at the goal line. And let's see if you guys can figure out what would you go to here among those three things, Chris? Cephalo. Let's hear the sound of Jimmy Cephalo trying to call what was a number of different laterals. Kenyon Drake at the end scores after about six passes to beat the Patriots at home on the last play. game and gronk stumbles at the end daniel last shot back control they throw it down they try to pitch

it and they do the parker marker pitches it and it's drag 30 20 that counts he's got a tackle oh no way he goes out the dolphin's winner unbelievable are you kidding me oh oh oh That is unbelievable! I don't believe what I just saw! There are no flags. No flag. And the game is... Oh, you.

The previous play. 69 yards. They've got to review it. The question is, would he have been able to tiptoe that sideline? I think he did. Oh, my gosh. Yet under the hood with M. Morse, the official automotive group of the Miami Dolphin cheerleaders, family-owned and operant for over 70 years.

It's at Edmorse.com today. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I left that part in. That call was great. Zaz has got it wrong. I can't believe that it was a 70-yard touchdown play, though. It only picked up around like Yard 25.

Your supplies, they were ranked last on all full-ounsings, local NFL broadcasts team. I think Zaz has got this wrong. No, it was not. Like, they didn't give any details other than saying pitch to Parker and out Drake. Like, they're not giving any details. And they don't go. Ah! Oh!

I thought it was spectacular, especially the Ed Morris, of course. If that's radio, how can you say I can't believe what I just saw? We can't see it. We're listening to it. If you're Joe Buck, you can say it because we're watching it on TV what Kirk Gibson's done. But on radio, obviously we're not seen it. So don't you tell me that you can't believe. believe what you can't. That was the worst call I've ever heard. No. No, I love it, David. It says,

I can't believe what I just saw. What did you see? Tell me. No, I know. Journalist Zaz reported that all that that call was when he was driving around listening on the radio was Cephalo saying something happened at the 10-yard line. And that's not what that call was. Look. I thought that call was very unclear. I actually don't know the play you're talking about, and I still don't know the play. Okay. That's an interesting way to gauge it because he has no idea what we're talking about. Like, I'm already wrapping my brain around. This is the miracle of Miami and it's like a huge, like, last play. But David's approaching this as like, you're just playing it for him. I understand how he doesn't know what happened. You know what? I'm now going to ask him to recreate what he thinks happened based on that call. Tell me what you think happened on that call since you don't know the play we're talking about. So it sounded like there was some sort of either an interception, return at the end of a half or the end of a game. And it sounded maybe like a lateral and then 30, 20, 10.

So then they screamed. So I assume there was a touchdown. But I don't know if they won a game or if they tied a game or if it was a playoff game or a preseason game. So I don't, and I don't know the players involved at all. I didn't recognize any names. The interception would explain why Grunkowski is out there better than what actually happened. Let me try this again, David.

It's the end of an NFL football game. that's just been decided. I'm going to play it for you again here, including with the advertisement, which is the funniest thing about the entire thing. It's my favorite part about listening to the local college broadcasts on Sirius XM. The furniture, the local furniture store that's sponsoring the 20 yards.

I also love the start of it. He is, like, could care less at the beginning of this. Tanner Hill. There's no chance. No, no. So this is the end of the game, David. And you're going to hear a couple of names. Tell me what happened here at the end of the miracle.

Miami. Daniel, last shot, back to Cheryl. They throw it down. They try to pitch it, and they do. Parker. Parker pitches it. And it's Drake. Drake. 30, 20.

The council's got a tackle. Oh, that's a man. He got to be. The Dolphist winner. It's unbelievable. Are you kidding? Unbelievable! I don't believe what I just saw!

Oh! There are no flag! No flag! And the game is to review the previous day. They've got to review it. The question is, would he have been able to tiptoe that sideline? I think he did. Oh my gosh!

Get under the hood with that side line. Morris, the official automotive group of the Miami Dolphin Cheerleaders, family owned it operated for over 70 years. Visit Edmorest.com today. Did he mention, did he mention Kenny Sills caught the initial pass? No. No. All right. So they're at the 30, they're at the 31 yard line, and Tanna Hill does a Hail Mary, but it doesn't, it's not as far as he can go. He does, like I would say, maybe a 20-yard completion, and somebody catches it, and then laterals it to somebody else who goes,

down the sideline and scores and I'm showing my ignorance here. I thought Grankowski, I was thinking Brady's tight end, but that can't be because it's got to be the defense of a team. So I'm not thinking straight of who the defender was, but apparently there was a defender who could not push the dolphin player out of bounds. And Ed Morse is a sponsor. All right. I just watched the play. If you listen back to it, you would think that Devante Parker caught the pass. You don't know how far that pass went. he did not catch the pass. Kenny Sills caught the pass, lateral did to Devante Parker,

who then lateral did to Kenyon Drake, and Bill Belichick, the greatest head coach of all time, had Rob Grunkowski his tight end as a last line of defense as a knock it down kind of guy expecting, I guess, an 80-yard pass from Ryan Tannehill. You can find so many funny sounds in that. Please find all of them. I think we have some disagreement here, though, David,

on how it is that you've been talking about the WNBA collective bargaining agreement. So Trista, the floor is yours. Yeah, so I just saw the athletic reported, David, that the WMBAPA is countering. And they asked for 33% of a revenue split. Now I think it's down to about 30%. I asked Nefisa Collier at this unrivaled event in the middle of the WMBA All-Star weekend, what percentage they wanted.

And we now finally found out what that was. It seems like this is getting contentious. but I guess to you, what's the percentage that you think gets this deal done? Oh, I don't think Adam Silver has any interest in pegging it to a percentage at all. And Adam Silver addressed the media during the League Cup final in Vegas and said that he'll get involved if they want him to. But here's a surprise. He's been involved from the beginning.

What he was saying is, will I go to the actual table? You don't need the commissioner of the NBA to be at this table at any time. But what they've done is they've extended the deadline. first by 30 days, 40 days. So it's been a total of 70 days, which all you're doing is delaying a work stoppage. You want to get to that work stoppage because that's a legal term of art.

You want to get to some sort of lockout or strike so then it can go to the next stage of these negotiations. But the biggest misunderstanding here is that the players in the WMBA want to have a pegged revenue number the way they have it in the NBA. And Adam Silver is saying no, because the NBA owners are saying no because that's not taking into account all of the money

that the WMBA owners need to profit and take off the table to pay down debt that has been accruing over the decades of losses. So that is why they're not having a meeting of the minds on any percentage, which is why the NBA is offering minimum salaries increasing like up to a million dollars because then you can absolutely chart and express what you're your expenses will be, and then what your profits will be. So, David, the reports are, I think the WMBA's stance is 15%. There is a percentage they're pegging it to. It's 15%.

But the way they're getting around it is by saying, okay, and we'll have higher maximums for the top tier players, but also within that, we're going to take away some of the benefits because all of these proposals up till now I've had, well, this is 30% of revenues minus the benefits paid out like housing and transportation and all that. So what they're trying to say is, hey, we'll get rid of housing, but we'll have the max salary be higher. And I was just interested, you know, in your experience, how many times do leagues do that? Where it's like, I'm going to try and cater to the elites because that's a big headline,

and this is going to screw over the constituency. No, it's funny. The union tends to do that more than we do. But we just keep a piece of paper, and we put a value to everything. So we know the exact price per team to establish housing for the players. We know the exact price per percentage of ERISA benefits that we would give, which are retirement benefits. We know what it means for every team's payroll if the minimum is 250 grand instead of 150 grand.

So we're just trading off a column during CBA negotiations, where if we give this, we want that back. And what the owners always say is that they want to come out ahead on their columns. They want to get more than they give. So that's why there's no specific landing point to any issue during a negotiation because all the issues are intertwined and you tend to settle everything at the end. And that's when an agreement comes. But until that point, you've actually agreed to nothing. Well, the truth is you agree to a bunch of stupid stuff that you get out of the way when negotiations first start. And then you get an issues list of like 50 items that

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This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. If the players are not going to move on a revenue split versus derive revenue share off of a fixed number, what is your opinion on what happens? Maybe the end of the WMBA, the players will move. There's not going to be a fixed number. It doesn't make sense to me for the WMBA to demand that, for the players to demand that right now. I understand the biggest thing they did wrong, they said this is their moment. and so they've put a lot of pressure on themselves to make huge changes in the collective bargaining agreement

because this is their moment. What you try to do is make incremental benefits through the course of multiple agreements. And so I don't think they should have gone for everything they're going for right now because they put themselves in a corner where they feel like they have to get it or it's like a major loss.

What did you say on the front end of this? He said the end of the WMBA? What are you saying is going to happen? if let's be clear dan people are not talking about this enough we talked about it on the sporting class and and obviously you know john skipper's involvement in unrivaled but you also have talked about what project b is you understand there are players who are getting paid multi millions of dollars to go play in another league in another country this is the moment if you had any ability to invest and you wanted to start a league to compete with the w nba this is the

time. Every player is a free agent. All of them want money and need money. If you have a well capitalized and well-funded business, the way Project B may be, that could be the end of the WNBA. And I promise you that Adam Silver is thinking about that and the players are thinking about that. How real is that? How real is what you're saying? How real is it to be possible? the idea that because you're meeting a moment where profound asks are being made of a business by a group that has never been stronger than it is right now about asking for money in a culture where it will be very unpopular if the WNBA does what you're saying, how probable is that?

It'll be unpopular if the WMBA folds, unpopular to who? To the large majority of the – I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. If what you're saying that there have been expansion fees paid and they're trying to expand and they've got broadcast deals that were totally pinned to the NBA deals, is that what you mean by unpopular? What I'm telling you is that if the players get too greedy, it will be the end of the WMBA. And that's not the end of the world for that because they have options. I don't hear anyone saying, though, that we're on the precipice of it sort of collapsing and needing to reinvent itself. I haven't heard that anywhere. It's just because people are not actually paying attention to what's real about this.

negotiation because they believe that this is their moment because of all the great press around Caitlin Clark and the excitement of the WMBA. And I am not in any way impugning the right of players to make as much money as they can because if you can go overseas, if you can go to unrivaled, if you can go make a living and it's a better living, go make it. It's like on any business. If you can make more money at the ringer, people are going to go to the ringer. That's how it goes in life and in the WNBA, if the players can make more money elsewhere, they're going to go elsewhere and that's what's going to happen. Too soon.

Too soon. It seemed like a very specific example. Too soon. Too soon. I don't think it's too soon or too much. The joke you made in the middle there, it's too soon. No, okay. No, it's too soon.

Very specific. Yeah, it was too specific. Give me a date. Predict it now. Tell me when this is going to happen because it sounds to me like you're predicting it's going to happen because you know business and you know the problems involved with we think we're worth more and this is the moment to capitalize on more and we've never been stronger as a movement not just WMBA league but a women's movement we will get our worth you know where that can collapse with

optics and everywhere else when the pressure of this rises give me a date I'm telling you right now that there is not going to be an agreement before the new year before this extra extension which and January 7th, I believe. I think there are more moves to be made by both sides, but an agreement is not a guarantee. And if the Players Association believes that Adam Silver is going to cave,

they are wrong. I can't give you a date because it's not even journalistically proper to give a date because this negotiation could go on for three months, six months. He could go on for two years negotiating with a players union.

We've seen that in sports. You just don't know. I would be very careful being cocky if I'm the WMBA Players Association, but finding optionality matters, and that's what the women have been doing. So I give them credit for that. But I'll tell you, owners don't care. If the WNBA folds, they will be just fine. What is the movie you're reviewing this week?

Only if anyone's watched it, the Alex A. Rod documentary. I assume you did, Dan. I have failed to watch it, but only because I learned that he had some hand in being able to control the content, and therefore I thought it would be manipulated so I didn't bother to watch it. So does that mean you didn't watch the last dance? I did watch the last dance. So good. So why? There was nothing else going on. You'd watch the last dance, but not Alex V.A. Rod, when there's way more Miami in Alex V.A. Rod than in the last dance. Was it good? I found it enjoyable. I enjoyed the fact that I could speak to him about it both before and after

I watched it and understand what the game is and the game has been the game has been a very calculated planned not surprising a desire to rehabilitate an image and everything has happened exactly in step this is a person a rod who was loathed within baseball circles just despised and think about where he's come. He is now the face of on-air talent on a network, on Fox, on the biggest MLB partner. He is now an owner of a team, the Minnesota Timberwolves, something that he's wanted to be an owner since the beginning of his post-playing career. That's how you got $1.2 billion off of Jeter is by pitting him against A-Rod. Well, I, yeah, they hate each other so much. It's unreal. And when they pretend to like each other on Fox, it always makes me laugh.

Like, does anyone believe that they're being jocular? That makes me laugh. But in any case, yes, Arod wanted to buy the Marlins. And so did you see the Jorge Moss tweet about buying the Marlins after Inter-Miamis one, Mike Ryan? I did not. Someone asked Jorge Moss to buy the Marlins after he brought the championship to Inter-M-M-L-S-Cup. And he wrote, that ship has sailed or that time has passed. And I smiled because Jorge Moss was a bitter of the Marlins.

And he did not win the day that, that day, because it just wasn't the right time for him and his family. But I'm smiling at all of the people who were involved in Marlins, who are now involved in other things. And Arod has moved on his way, and so has Jorge Moss. The only one who is not able to move on, of course, is Jeter because he shouldn't have been there in the first place. So it's all an interesting thing.

The documentary is worth watching, especially to remind people mind people of how low Alex fell and how high he has climbed. And just his personal story, people may not remember. He was one of, he was maybe the second greatest baseball player I ever, well, certainly one of the top five greatest baseball players I ever saw play. Shepard's Pie? I have not seen David Samson smile like that in a few months. The Jeter shouldn't have been there in the first place.

what crept out sinisterly from behind that beard at enjoying Jeter shouldn't have been there in the first place was, but it's sinister. The glee you got from it was super unusual. I haven't seen you smile. He's a bad person and he knows it.

Everyone knows it. He's totally fake. And I just, everyone, it's so crazy because with Jeter, everyone's just over him. Not everyone knows he's a bad person, David. Like, what are you saying? People who are, around him no one no one thinks that David David you're wrong Dan I'm sorry but you're just wrong

on this you really are but that's okay like you're not being you think that you think the public knows as a captain as a no I said people are people who fans don't know athletes you know they say don't meet your heroes fans don't know players they know players on the field Zaz you don't know to a what you've interviewed him five times whatever you don't know the first thing about him no one knows anything about derrick jeter or andy pettit or horrid posada or any of them and dan you're included the only one you know about are people or your friends you know about rickie williams or pat riley because you're friends what you cover the marlin so all of a sudden you know about these people off the field chili does everyone know put it on the poll

you please. Does everyone know that the captain, Derek Jeter, is a bad person? I didn't say everyone. I said those who know him. Why do you misquote me for purposes of your show trying to get clicks? I didn't say everything. David, I agree. I agree with what you're saying, but you did say everyone. I didn't say everyone. Play it back. You guys are so good at playing stuff back. You got the stutter back in like three seconds. Professional broadcaster, David Samson. First time I've heard you speechless. I've never heard you speechless before. Did Zaslo get you?

That was Zaslo that stumped you. It's hard to win a debate against the real journalist. Checkmate. Real quick. The thing I love about Zazdan is that he actually is paying attention. He's so knowledgeable and fun to play with on and off the air. But he did render me speechless with his conversation about being a journalist. I was just laughing.

Yeah. Me as well. Do me a favor here, though. Give me the best of what you. you've got on people not understanding what the Oscars moving to YouTube. I will tell people, last couple of episodes of the sporting class, everything that's happening with Warner Brothers, with Netflix, like everything that's about to hit the consumer

that the consumer doesn't understand they're about to get mad about. Can you condense it for me in a couple of minutes? Yeah, that show came out today. We recorded that, and John Skipper, Pablo Torre and myself did a sporting class all about the Warner Brothers Discovery and what's happening with Paramount and Skydance and what's happening as well with Netflix. It is a fascinating business story where there is a hero and a villain

and it happens to be the same person and his name is David Zazlov and he is going to enrich himself tremendously, but I explain that and then John Skipper, who plays a very funny character except it's really him in terms of his position on these things

forgetting the fact that he was the evil empire at one point and now he's just full of love and happiness. And so it's a show, explaining what's happening with Netflix and Paramount and Warner Brothers Discovery. So it's well worth watching. Now, in terms of the Oscars, I didn't get to talk about that, but we should get Adnan here. But listen, YouTube is a network television property now, period.

It's okay to watch it. It used to be, oh, you're only on YouTube. I don't know about you guys. Did you ever say, oh, I used to be on ESPN. Now I'm on YouTube. Did you feel a little shame in that? YouTube's been very good to us. Oh, yes.

You shouldn't. It's the opposite of shame. When you get to say you're on YouTube and that you make a living on YouTube, it means that you've made it. And that's just different than it was five years ago. Forget 10 years ago. The Academy Awards are going to be streamed exclusively on YouTube, unthinkable since Disney acquired in 1976. But ABC and regular network television, it's done. It doesn't even matter anymore except for live sports.

What YouTube can do for the Academy Awards, the award show can go four hours. It can go eight hours. It can go two hours. You can swear, you can get naked, you can do whatever you want on YouTube, and it's going to be so positive for movies and for movie lovers.

And people viewed it as a booby prize to be off ABC and on YouTube. And I viewed it as an amazing evolution of the Academy Awards, bringing gravitas and bringing a new audience. into it. I was so excited, but the deal doesn't start until 29. It's going to start earlier. Disney's going to walk away before them. Wait for it. You can't get naked on YouTube. He's right. I tried.

Well, you can wear, you can just wear like a banana sack and a pasty. You can. Put it on the poll, please. Can you wear a banana sack and a pasty on YouTube? Also, David, I'm sorry to do this to you, but while you weren't multitasking and getting us the photo of you in cowboy hat and cowboy boots. Zazlo did uncover the incriminating evidence as a journalist that you did absolutely say, everyone in the world knows that the captain is a bad person.

Zazlo just gave me this sound while you were talking. I haven't seen you smile. He's a bad person, and he knows it. Everyone knows it. He's totally fake. And I just, everyone, it's so crazy because with Jeter, everyone's just over him. I'm sorry, Dave.

I had to do it. I'm sorry. Checkmate. You just got journaled. I just got absolutely jernoded. I'm sorry, David. Nothing personal is the name of the podcast. I guess you're going to have to just go with that.