The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Whomst Is This Guy?

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

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I'm sorry. I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries That if they're just there that hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now here's the marching band to nowhere, Fat Face and the Habitual Liar. This episode is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. What do you guys make of the reporting from Brian Windhorse that executives and agents

were calling him making fun of the Nets draft picks as the draft was in Brooklyn and they took all guards? They had five picks in the first round and just kept taking guards the way that Stugatz has suggested for years that NFL teams should just take quarterbacks in every round until they find one. What do you make of that from last night? Again, in an industry that is doing something last night that is highly unscientific, that is really super subjective,

a lot of people think that they know that the Nets and the Pelicans don't know what they're doing. And those people get to say something, I mean, without anyone ever remembering that they could be wrong because of how long it will take Brooklyn and New Orleans to make them actually wrong so it's one of the reasons that this thing is such a wonderful feeding frenzy for the media it's got no accountability in it Mel Kuyper every once in a while will bring back stuff that he said because it sticks but I assure you that anything

said last night making fun of the Brooklyn Nets is not something that's going to be resurrected three or four years from now if the Brooklyn Nets are ever any good. I think the Nets are in a different situation, right? They took a bunch of guys. I guarantee not all of them will be reporting to camp. They also got Danny Wolf from Michigan, who I really like. I think they've got room to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. The reason why people like me and Tony and some other people are like,

New Orleans, what are you doing? Is because they instantly put a bet on what they did, right? They said, hey, we're going to take this guy. Oh, by the way, how confident are we that this is going to work out? Immediately next year, unprotected first round pay. And that's the part that makes it egregious that makes it the way you talk about is right there's no accountability but guess what for the new orleans pelicans within twelve months we're gonna have accountability very quickly

yeah but those people have accountability and they lose their jobs because of that accountability the media can just have a frenzy not know who the players are not see any of them play not watch them because they're foreign and then all of a sudden have very strong opinions about whether your team did what it was supposed to it's one of the reasons I hate the NFL draft that the day after I don't know if my team's any better like nobody knows if their team's any better and it's just an exercise in in annual stupidity but everyone loves it so I I sit alone on the island of sports as I often do

Like I was last night super lonely watching baseball games with Jeremy instead of the NBA draft All the 13 Brooklyn Nets fans that are out there are probably not even thinking about like what this team could be They're trying to figure out who these guys are right like you guys you got a guy from Israel You're like who the hell's this guy they had a pick top eight and they picked a kid from BYU who's a decent guard but like he's a he's a guy that you're gonna have to project to be something good like later on they had Malawatch right there they had the kid that the Raptors drafted Colin Murray Boyles like there was players that they could have diversified their draft stock instead they got nine guards and a big who plays like a guard and it's like

what are we doing the reality though, is that even if they, if they got one of every position, they got a point guard, a shooting guard, a small forward, a power forward, and a center. Five first round picks. Nobody does five first round picks. If you got five, you got none. Yeah, pretty much.

You got beyond none. It's way too much, right? So the reality is they're not gonna bring all these guys together, right? And maybe some of these guys are never gonna play for the Brooklyn Nets. They might have their rights included into deals around the league.

And I think that's the part that you just gotta factor into all of this, is they don't have any sort of responsibility to anything because they've got the flexibility to do whatever they want because they're not supposed to be good next year. Put it on the poll at lebatard show has the draft Gone from what is this guy to who is this guy? whomst

Whomst is this guy I haven't used hoops put it on the pole as well at lebatard show Have you ever used the word hoops hoops there it is I also want to say something and look I love the French too many French guys in the NBA draft The last couple years. What are we doing? They're taking over One draft at a time. We'll see taking over. There's one guy taking over the rest of the guys they got approval to Alexander's are And Risa Shay was nice coming on the end of the season

But you're looking at these guys from France you like I've never heard it like who is this guy? We are not far whom's to this guy Yeah from Canada and France whooping our ass every time they see us on the block, but not that far You essay or not that far do not do that to yourself Don't sell yourself that pipe dream buddy, man. Let me tell you something you look at that Canada team MVP No, they're not bad right and then and then you start throwing that other Nemhart oh you want them hard hounding Steph Curry up and down the court we don't know how long he's got Lou Dordt Lou Dordt out there muscling up on people Benedict Matheran shooting every time he touches it RJ Barrett I'm running out of guys. You want Kelly Olenek on the block? Is Olenek's name actually maple, nickname?

It's Maple Dick? Yeah. I mean, yeah. Okay. If you know, you know. I don't. Thank you, Amin. Put it on the poll at LeBittard Show. Are we weeks away from Canada and France wiping the block with us? I feel like Amin is just waiting for all sorts of apocalypses and looking at them through

grinning and that's me saying that. That's me who has been grinning through fear and apocalypse. I think Amin is with me now, fearing both AI and France, which is unreasonable. Well, he's in Canada too. With me it's AI and climate change. With him it's AI and France and is unreasonable with me it's AI and climate change with him it's it's AI and France and Canada basketball and then he names a bunch of fourth and fifth starters and bench players They're gamers though those guys are game

Gamers better be see that guy that gave seven. Yeah, the problem is a game for he sucked Did you see him miss all the free throws when they needed to just make one free throw to beat an OKC team that made Three three-pointers all game. I saw a guy show up in game seven look around not see anybody with him Say I got this guy's put him on my back Kelly olynyx nicknamed also according to the internet the lunch lady He does look like a lunch. Yes, he does as much as we scola does Scola in a hairnet that That looks like the cafeteria lady. Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Who looks more like the lunch lady?

Luis Scola or Kelly Olinik? That's gotta be 50-50. We've got a new media beef and, I'm sorry? Hooray. Usually the hooray has more enthusiasm than that. That was a hooray soaked in indifference. I didn't wanna overtake your take. So you just interrupted it.

Just a bed, it was supposed to be a bed underneath. So you just interrupted it with a meek, half-hearted hooray that no one heard and then I had to ask, stop the show and ask, what'd you say? Yeah, it's a radio term, Dan, a bed. That's when the sound is underneath what you're saying. Hooray. Go ahead. Thank you for teaching me about radio. Doug Gottlieb has called Pablo Torre

exhausting and what you're you guys are nodding on that in agreement? I'm just listening I'm listening. Wait a minute. What just happened there is physically funny. I said Doug Gottlieb has called Pablo Torre exhausting, and Chris Cody, looking exhausted, yawned in my face. That's what Pablo does to me. While nodding that yes, confirming that he sides with Gottlieb in this beef. Dan, I felt like the gif of the woman with the,

it's Tate seeing kombucha for the first time, where he said, Doug Gottlieb, I said, oh, and he said, has called Pablotori exhausting? Oh, maybe. You lost me and you got me right back in. All right, finish the statement. And disingenuous. Nah, not lost me again.

He lost me again. After his recent episode, Pablotori finds out where he produces 61 pages of documentation that the NFL and NFLPA do not want you to see about how all of these people colluded because, whoa, Deshaun Watson got a lot of guaranteed money, we can't control ourselves, let's cheat, all of us. Let's all cheat because we don't know how to control ourselves in a bidding war when

there's a quarterback available who may be like right on the cusp of being a criminal. What was his second highest bid for Deshaun Watson? I'm curious. Has anyone ever asked that question? There were many. There were bids. There were many bids to get him to that guaranteed money, but this goes on here. Quote, Pablo Torre as a guest is amazing.

Pablo Torre as a host at times can be a little exhausting and I'll tell you why. He's way too smart to be talking about sports and he's searching so bad for that aha gotcha that I think he's being disingenuous or he's frankly misusing the idea of collusion. I can't digest that one. So he's misusing the idea of collusion by being too smart to talk about sports and grasping

for an aha moment. Is Gottlieb still doing the daily show that LeBron made fun of him for doing while he was making fun of a school that he didn't think he had to prepare that much for and then he lost to that school as part of like a 19-game losing streak because Doug Gottlieb, I don't know what their record was in Green Bay, Wisconsin last year, they won like three or four games,

but he was also doing a daily radio show. At a Green Bay, Wisconsin? Really? Doug Gottlieb is big in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Well, I think it's a national show, I don't think it's a local show. They were four and 28. But it would be difficult, I would, I think it's a national show. I don't think it's a local show. They were four and 28. But it would be difficult, I would

think, to be doing a daily show. I don't know, Amin was teaching me about radio earlier, so maybe he knows. A daily radio show and coaching a college basketball team seems to be hard at the same time. We call that cadence, Dan. The number of times a week. Now, he's busy.

0 for 14 in conference play, and they endured a 21 game losing streak Denny's Hamlin I mean mentioned liking Danny wolf from Michigan. Why do you like him? Obviously his size I want to show you a picture here of Danny wolf's brother when he was drafted last night ugly crying There's an ugly crying face. He can't be happy about that this morning. I don't get happy tears You guys do happy tears. Oh Jeremy happy tears yesterday. I love happy tears. I do that a lot, too Yeah, I just don't get it The gratitude wells up in you so much because something moves you and then it leaks out your eyes because it can't stay in your body Gratitude, okay. That's I mean that's it. What else pretty much what it is, yeah. I think it's also, you and I relate here, Dan,

it's sort of emotionally on the edge at all times, so you could push me in one direction or another, and I'm probably just gonna cry. He looks like he ate a lemon while cutting onions at the same time. It is really good ugly crying, and it's the brother of a seven footer, so my guess is he's also pretty tall as well.

You see no other heads in the shot, right? Right. He is miles above sea level right now. You do see another head, it's just at his shoulders. Look at this, as they pan over, there's a guy with gray hair that just kind of shows up out of nowhere. Put it on the pole, please, at LeBittard Show.

Is the brother of a seven footer ever under six feet? Or the sister. Is the sibling of a seven footer ever five three, if they are indeed biological siblings? Samson size? That'd be funny. Shaq and Samson. Schwarzenegger and DeVito in twins.

Tony, the guy with the silver head? Oh, there you go. I thought you meant the photographer. No, Shaq and Samson. Like, Schwarzenegger and DeVito in twins. Tony, the guy with the silver head. Oh, there you go. I thought you meant like the photographer. No, no, no. I'm talking about this guy right here. There you go. That's Christoph Porzingis, man. For the audio audience, however red you think his face is,

it's redder. However far you think his bottom lip is being stuck out while the corners of his mouth are frowning, it's further than you think. However greasy you think the combo of the hair and the faces, it's greasier than you think. However far down you think his eyebrows might be slanting. That's the craziest part.

It's steeper than you think. It's the pyramid of Giza right now. This one eyebrow is going up this way. Going back to sines and cosines, that's a 45 degree angle. Dan, can you do that with your eyebrows? I cannot. He doesn't have that kind of power.

Peter Gallagher maybe. My eyebrows are more starched, they don't have flexibility, they're dry cleaned. They don't move around. This guy's right here, man. Let's play Malika Andrews making a mistake that I could very easily make. It would happen to me, I'm not kidding.

It would, it would happen to me. I told you guys recently that I thought newspaper headlines had gotten very cruel when I read a headline, Coward forgoes Duke enters NBA draft. I'm like, my God, those headline writers are getting personal there, but no, it just turns out that his name is Cedric Coward, and Malika Andrews, again, made a mistake

I could very easily make. So the Portland Trailblazers select Colin Coward here. A stunning pick. You can hear her reading something else while doing that. She's like distracted, she's like, Colin, cowherd here. Like you can hear. There's definitely a producer's voice in her ear at that time too.

So she's trying to read a sheet that says what the name is of the player and find it in the slot on the best available. And she definitely has a producer. And as Lewis talks in my ear, it's the same thing. So you can maybe hear if Lewis just keeps talking. You can hear her distraction. You can hear it through the microphone.

It's really, it's difficult to do. Stop talking. Colin Cowherd's at home like, me? can hear her distraction through the microphone. It's really it's difficult to do Colin cowherds at home like me He's at home, let's play that again you imagine the stun fans learning wait we drew what what did we draft? so the Portland Trailblazers select Colin Cowherd here. I mean is he gonna get yeah true Holiday's gonna be throwing it to Coward in the post and then he's just gonna give people a bunch of bad opinions?

3 and D. You know, talk about John Wall, like, oh, I don't like that dance. Too duggie. They throw it in the post and all of a sudden the play caller just, I don't like guys with backward hats. So his name is Cedric Coward, right?

So do we think that what this was is on the big board that Malika's looking at? It's just first letter, first name, dot, last name. And so you got C dot Coward and maybe brain autofills with calling Cowards on there. You think so? Nobody knows any of these people. I just don't know, I mean, maybe her own notes.

Jeremy, this is TV. They're handing you a full name with a pronunciation in case you don't know how to say cow I know how to do Porter of the year mean it's teaching people to do radio and television today and nobody wants it. Nobody wants it I've got to think that Cedric Coward has at some point considered changing his name. No Put it on the pole at LeBittard Show to Bill Coward. If you are an athlete at LeBittard Show,

if you are an athlete and your name is Cedric Coward, do you think about changing your name? And then the next poll, do you think about changing your name to Bill Coward? I think Malika just got caught up because a couple picks before Colin Murray Boyles got picked so there was a Colin already floating in the ether the next pick was come on Mala Watch which is a mouthful and you're trying to figure that out and then the next guy you're looking at Cedric Howard and then all

of a sudden Colin Coward comes out of nowhere there he is. By the way you say that Cedric Coward should change his name there was a guy who played for the Nats a couple years ago whose name was, and I quote, David Duke Jr. And they asked him, you wanna call it Dave, Davey? And he's like, nope. And they said, you know who David Duke is? He's like, yeah, but I'm gonna be so good.

I'm going to change the perception of that name. That was his outtake. Nah! Yeah, exactly. Where is he now? I don't know. Running for governor. How good would he have to be speaking of where is he now there was a player last night and you helped me here because I've heard about this but I have not seen it so I've just been told and this is just be

rules so there's not gonna be audio with it but that somebody was drafted by Toronto and you know this is something that is true here I mean a lot of times American players and this is why Toronto and Vancouver a million years ago don't get many of the free agents a lot of American players don't like the idea of being removed from America and having to go to Canada you tell me whether this is going to a bad team or a country that he doesn't want to go to here, I mean. Yeah, he gets up and shakes his head, buttons his thing and says, ugh! He mutters under his breath, bleep. It's just, that is not happiness, correct?

He's buttoning his jacket and it's like, bleep, this is a moment for all time, this is a lifetime dream, bleep, I'm not happy. That is sheer disappointment. You can't, he can give all the quotes about being, is that about Canada? That has to be about Canada. Look, it could be about a number of things. Canada, the Raptors not being a good team, the Raptors having a lot of players who are kind of his position, they have a glut of these combo wings.

But then the other thing is, the reason why guys don't like playing in Canada it's not look Toronto people love Toronto Toronto's a great city Toronto's a great road city come in you party you do this it's a great city food great everything right the the problem is with first of all this is the taxes right tax levels are escalated there they're higher than even New York or California number two the number of logistics coming in and out of the country so my family wants to come see me it's not like flying to Indiana and okay and then we know you got to go to customs and all this stuff so it's a very cumbersome process number three this is ridiculous guys don't like

the metric system They really get bothered by like, okay a kilometer miles and miles is like it's it's different enough for you to know I am NOT in the America anymore. And that's enough of a mind bleep for okay I appreciate your efforts in going those lengths to try and figure this out I don't think it's the metric system that made him curse as he was getting up there. I do wonder if we're being unfair to Colin Murray Boyles though, because it could just be, that's a whole stressful process

and he was happy that it was over. Disbelief almost. And finally, I don't know, I don't know. It seems unfair, fun, but unfair to assume that it's the metric system that's bothering him there and not just that the last few hours have been a little stressful this guy goes into McDonald's and he orders a Royale with cheese you tell me that's not stressful a centimeter bothered does seem to mouth the word oh that was clear

that he did mouth that but it could just be because he was done did he expect to go earlier for Nicole no well co-worker? No. Or maybe he doesn't have a passport or winter clothes. Maybe he could be. Winter clothes is a big one too. He's from South Carolina, so going to Canada is quite the stretch, and Houston was next.

Maybe he just really wanted to go to Houston. He's like, all right, KD just got traded there. They're maybe gonna win. I don't know, he's going to the Raptors. Bunch of guys at his position, different thing. In his mind, it's like being sent to St. Bonaventure or somewhere like that to spend the rest of your days. Just a cold icy tundra.

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You're biting me! What do you mean? Oh, his is good, Dan. That's actually not bad. His is good. Not terrible! That's not terrible. We gotta come together!

Little southern twang there. Little George Bush in that one. This is the Dan LeBathpe Show with the StuGats. Everyone here sides with Doug Gottlieb over Pablo Torre. Is that something that just happened? Pablo Torre is doing important reporting. He's doing good reporting. He's one of the last people out there actually doing some of the work required

and he's getting some awards, but he's also getting some blow blowback and I think it's because it's Pablo Torre. I think if it was somebody else reporting this it wouldn't be received the same way. It is. It's real journalism. It's real news breaking. Oh so it's about to go. That's not news breaking. That's news breaking what Pablo does. But it makes me wonder, I mean and this is a larger conversation, I know you guys are tired of hearing me talk about it, but at least some of you are here in part because you line up with some of this show's principles, and frankly, your relationship with this show,

if it goes back 20 years, you care about some of the things that we care about. When you say, I mean, quote unquote, real journalism, I'm more convinced than I've ever been that people don't want that. Well, people don't know what it is. Correct. And so they don't want it. And they reject it out of hand, viscerally. It's like, I've never tasted broccoli, but I don't like broccoli. I just know I don't like it. And so you've just made up your mind before you've even tried it or thought about it what pablo torrey is doing is extraordinarily difficult he's at a trough where all newsgatherers are and he's consistently finding things reporting them vetting them taking them

through lawyers and making people unhappy because power doesn't want you to see things that are true to me that's one of the most important things in journalism and one of the most heartbreaking things to see over my last twenty years in it is that i care about it deeply and man so many people do not at all don't care enough to even get informed about why they rejected viscerally now pablo's case it's the condescension informed about why they rejected viscerally now

pablo's case it's the condescension that's why i wanted to stop you cuz i don't think it's against all journalism i think it's pablo's specifically for instance you never hear people talk like that about seth wickersham who i think does the same kind of

excellent reporting not getting the attention the pablo presently is your neck writes looking around and and i don't get the big deal why is everyone writing about this guy and talking about this guy i don't know why though right because pablo over the last year has done too of the allot of the great reporting including whether the hotel in oklahoma city is actually haunted or not and whether yannis is missing free throws on purpose so that the fans could get free chicken credible reporting that was a episodes by the way. Great episodes. Thank you. P-Body worthy. You know what one nomination is for everybody, but

the part that gets him the ire and the attention and the level of scrutiny and comments like that are because he did Marcus Jordan Larsa Pippen and because he did because he did Marcus Jordan Larsa Pippen, and because he did Belichick and Jordan. Yeah, he goes high low. He can do both things. But those are the things that bring the negative attention. It brings some of it,

but I also think that it feels to everyone, oh, he's reporting this from the yacht club, isn't he? That's the issue, right? It feels like he's on a high up castle and being like, you peasants, I will let you know what you need to know. And then we're like, wait, what? I can read this in the tabloids. Yeah, like what if I reported it that it probably be received better, right new times

They would say well, he's everywhere. Look at you. You you can't You can't do that with the work though The work ought to be able to speak for itself And what I'm telling you is if the NFL PA and the NFL doesn't want you to see it and Mike Florey Oh is out there the nfl p a and the nfl doesn't want you to see it and mike florio's out there mike florio is connected and he can't get to the story he's trying to get to the story public or is finding out things that other people are finding out it's a valuable service and i don't believe it's the message that people are

objecting to i just don't know i i believe it's the person that's just to the degree that people are objecting to because it's getting a ton of applause and should Can I can I pitch an idea perhaps we can even turn this into content? Pablo Torrey makeover right now. He's detached. He's unrelatable to the common man He's a Harvard grad from New York City the the very embodiment of a liberal elite This is what we do we take Pablo to Oklahoma City for a month, get him some regular people clothes, working folks clothes, maybe some Wrangler jeans.

Some Dickies. Go to the boot scootin' toop, or whatever the hell that shit is called, right? Work boots. So you now have him line dancing in work boots. And drinking strong American beers like, BEEP, right? Miller Lite. Miller Lite. Miller Lite. Miller Lite. You know what, hold on a second, I'm sorry. drinking strong American beers like right Miller light Miller light Miller

light light you know what hold on yes and I'm sorry I was on a roll and hold on the second hold on he was right there Bush International Airport is what I was talking about major asshole you fly to Houston out and then you do not another word like that's the most egregious of offenses out my god don't bleep with the money. I mean he was onto something though. No, he wasn't no No, we make Pablo relatable to the common man. We put him in some basketball shorts

We put him on some sandals and walk around now This is a gene all the stuff that he wears all these fancy things come on You guys have the right idea and I do believe that we should have a game show where we try to teach Pablo how to be more likeable. I will have to recuse myself. I know nothing about how to do this. Don't worry, I'll help. Everyone else, everyone else thinks I can help. You just don't think I can help. You, me and Mike should do it. No, everyone else thinks I can help. You're the only one who doesn't think I can help.

I don't believe I'm the only one. You've convinced this whole audience I can't help, but I can help. Other people think I can help. I don't believe I'm the only one. You've convinced this whole audience I can't help, but I can help. Other people think I can help. Was that helpful? I mean, I don't believe that you or me should be teaching Pablo anything about likeability. Common man, I don't think of you and Jeremy as like the number one common guy.

I have asked people, I've never taken any classes, I've never done anything other than pay lip service to some of this. I've not taken an action. I've never done anything other than pay lip service to some of this I've not taken an action to be more likable But you have heard my lament over the course of 20 years here on this show that hasn't improved any which is I know my message Is okay. It's the messenger. That's the problem. Like it's my tone. It's strident. It's obnoxious. It's emotional It doesn't get any better. It yammers, it thinks it's right. It's all the things Pablo is.

No one in the media's history has ever been more like me than Pablo. And so I am here, I've already taught him everything I know, and this is the circumstance. He has all of the information that I can impart, and the result is this. What is in front of you reporting from the Yacht Club. Why hasn't he listened to Realli? I feel like he could give him good advice. I don't think it's that easy to teach likeable. I think it's really hard. I would say that I told Realli this the other day. I think we said it during the South Beach session that we did. His greatest gift is likeability.

It's what makes, like of course he's good at television. He's very good at television, but people don't leave reality not liking reality. I'll tell you this about somebody else too because I was talking about this with Eduardo Perez last night during the live cast, this live stream that was baseball while the basketball draft was going on. Tim Kirkshhin is the rarest of media entities that has fed all his life off of baseball and clubhouses and no one has anything bad to say about Tim Kirkshin. And it's stunning to be 50 years reporting things, some of which

the athletes and executives don't want other people to know and Tim Kirch and doesn't have an enemy in this business but I would also say that in the business that we're in you go ahead and give me all of the people at the very top of the food chain in whatever it is that you consider sports content and give me all the ones that are there because they're likable because the most famous ones I don't think are I don't think like ability is one is one of the traits I think you want people to listen to you and you want the, I don't think are. I don't think likeability is one of the traits. I think you want people to listen to you, and you want the people who don't like you to also listen to you.

And if they don't like you, as Howard Stern says, they often listen more than the ones who do. So when I say top of the food chain, obviously, Kirkshine's at the top of the food chain, but when I say the people in our industry that you regard as the most famous giver of sports opinions Give me the likable ones. Well, let me start with Kirkshin doesn't really give sports opinions as much

right a lot of his stuff is factual reporting and Context he'll give a lot of that especially when he talks about historical things, but he's not out here saying like oh I think skeins is the best pitcher in the game right now. He doesn't do that. He does do some of that, but it's got the historical information and context that people understand. This is an expert, and he's not saying controversial things,

and he's certainly not judging or smearing character very much, or performance in a way that would be cruel, mean, or outsized. But that's more rewarded now than it ever is. so if i do a likeability chart on whoever it is that you consider the ratings rules for example i'll give you one example right so yesterday on the show i said i think it's unlikely shannon sharp work city espn again and i thought all of what shannon did was carefully uh... staged in order to uh... make it look like that was his decision and he

did ESPN a favor by making it look like all of that because I don't think ESPN wanted to make any of that worse than it already was by firing him, suspending him, or even commenting on any of what's happening there. So Shannon can exist doing the stuff that he's doing on the stuff he owns but the stuff that other people own he cannot do whatever he wants but the argument against what i'm saying is when he was the needle pin

there aren't that many who do like he actually produces ratings and then where does disney or any corporate giant have to do the math of in my lifetime, that all happens around someone and they are not likely to return to Disney. But in this particular case, you have a totally different media landscape and you've also got Disney getting in the business of, we're gonna rent some of these mercenaries,

free agents, people from the outside, we're gonna give them platforms, we're not gonna own them, we're gonna give them independence so they can do other stuff and so maybe under these circumstances I've got it wrong I don't think we'll see Shannon Sharp on ESPN again but maybe ESPN needs whatever it is that Shannon Sharp is doing because he is actually one of the few needle movers but it's not because of likeability like and I like it but it's not because of likeability, and I like him, but it's not because of likeability.

It's because he gives opinions and the two things almost, I would say, can't coexist to be done the very best way that returns ratings given that you're trying to do something that appeals to the broadest net of people and therefore you're going to have people who watch you because they like you're cruel they Stephen a Smith's Judgment of people has gotten more performative and more wrestling than it's ever been at least in part because it's obviously Rewarded it works because it works it works and it goes back to the co-sell thing that you were saying which is They don't like they listen to you because they like you,

and if they don't like you, they listen to even more. Was it Howard Stern that said that? Either way, one of the Howards, right? One of the Howards said that, but it's true. And he's tapped into that. And if you're talking about Shannon Sharp, my thought is he goes away, if he goes away and he's successful, wildly successful,

they'll bring him back in, because they bring back everybody who's wildly successful I think when you talk about a likeability sports opinion giver, I think automatically of Dan Patrick, right? He's lived so many lives of ESPN anchor Sports Center biggest, you know show then he did his own thing He's an Adam Sandler movies. Like he's just a very likable guy. I don't really think a lot of people say, I don't really like Dan Patrick. He's just a normal guy. It's an excellent one. And I will tell you a story I've told before around here. I'm going to say it was 15 years ago.

I'm walking through the bowels of the Heats Arena and Dan Patrick is standing there. Can you guys look for me how long Dan Patrick has been doing his show? Because I make fun of Dan Patrick about this. I'm walking through the arena and he says, I can't do what you do. So that's you?

Yes. But it was before he was doing radio, right? It was just three hours of just giving opinions on things. And he's someone who's very careful. He's not cruel. When he criticizes somebody, it's usually fair. Like this is part of it. When I say the two things almost can't coexist't coexist like ability in strong strong opinion giving dan

doesn't give a ton of strong opinions but when he does like strong critical opinion but when he does they land with more resonance than others because he's picking his spots and not always doing that it's not a daily conceit and his audience the audience that he is a very unique and special connection with actually connects with him there this is a person that i like because he's not out here pretending or behaving as if he's a know-it-all and then he knows better and more than anyone in sports but that attitude does pay like dan patrickson outlier it's much easier to do what it is that i'm doing or whatever it is and i and i i say all of this because i was legitimately confused i'm not saying

it's because i'm better at anything than dan patrick other than being more strongly opinionated in ways that would bother people then dan patrick is i would say two things number one that that shows that october two thousand and seven so they're coming up on the twenty three anniversary soon, too Number two, I don't know Dan sometimes comes across as a know-it-all DP comes across as like a little bit like you look you guys don't understand this. I understand this Look, I don't mind it, but I can definitely sense the vibes I'm like it's not it's definitely not like a Tim Kirkshaw or a Scott Van Pelt kind of

Curiosity of like I don't explain Ernie Johnson or Ernie. But those guys are all different those are guys that Ernie Johnson's the point guard for having other people feed opinions. Kirchner is a factual reporter kind of guy SVP another guy that's kind of a point guard giving you know oh this guy from from the game is gonna talk about this or whatever. When you're talking about sports opinion givers you kind of have to be a know-it-all because you're talking for five hours a day. Rich Eisen, is Rich Eisen?

Oh no. No, not likable? I just don't, I'm not saying he comes off as like a jerk, but I don't think of like, oh, so likable. He's somewhere in the middle. It's really tough to give opinions and remain likable. Like that's kind of the whole thing. Everyone that we're gonna talk about in sports media

who is likable, it's through spots where they're just giving you little bits of information or they're hosting and setting up other people. As we talk about Pablo though and the point that we were making about the liberal elites, these used to be known as blue check marks, right? And there is a recoil when you get the applause of a media entity when I'm sitting here telling you, Amin,

people don't like journalism, and they don't like journalists. And so all of that makes it a difficult thing to overcome if you don't have any respect for journalism. And on top of that, journalism has been so distorted that what Stephen A. Smith or Emmanuel Accio or whoever it is or Colin Cowherd, whoever it is that's in the audience acquisition business,

you see the compromises that end up getting made in search of that audience. And as the competition grows stronger, that's only gonna get worse and worse. Like you have to keep up. I don't know why it is that Chris Cody has a disdain or finds Rich Eisen something less than likable. I said in the middle, wow.

He's not, he's like, I put him in the Dan Patrick. Like I don't see Dan Patrick in the Tim Kirchian category. I like Dan Patrick, but these guys are in the middle. Like I don't see Eisen and Patrick as these like, super likable, no one ever dis, but these guys are in the middle. I don't see Eisen and Patrick as these super likable, no one ever disagrees. It's not consent, I mean likability is not a consensus. Huge breaking news regarding Tony Romus. We have found out that not only did the last Tony Romus

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