The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Witty's Armour Mint (feat. Chris Wittyngham)

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

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with roy's sometimes on fridays uh... says four seasons ago the panthers hadn't been out of the first round since nineteen ninety six now they're headed to a third straight conference final uh... bary jackson writes whether they win another title or not these twenty twenty two twenty twenty five panthers or the second best protein in our market this century behind only the big three era heat

uh... for franchise to repeatedly make this many good personal the personnel decisions is something to behold we are just got goosebumps well legitimately i mean those kane's they were a protein yes i i'd say the hurricanes as well of early two thousand one best college football team i saw before burrows ls u team i'd just genuinely don't know as we welcome in our beloved chris wittingham the fancy lab how this person uh... is capable of showing his face in public uh... with his wrong to take is there is ever been in the history of this market

and in the history of sports uh... we have now on take we want to play for Whittingham an assortment of bad takes that we have here okay he's responsible for two of them Stu gots historically bad takes so I just like to put in front of Whittingham first Roy his Yanis take the Yanis take that that he talked about Yanis is being only a number two and then Yanis take, the Yanis take that he talked about Yanis as being only a number two, and then Yanis immediately won the championship as a number one after almost breaking his leg. Let's hear the full take.

Yanis is probably the NBA's best number two, because I think it's kind of been determined that he can't be your one. In terms of his specific skillset and the areas of the game in which he struggles, you can't rely upon him to get baskets at the end. Ha!

So is that more wrong than your take immediately after the Panthers desecrated by you? I don't think there's anyone in sports media looking more like a fool around this hockey team than you, Chris Whittingham. Welcome, by the way, it's nice to see you again. Hey guys, glad to be back as ever. I just play the take already. They tore apart a team that was amazing.

Like from a fan standpoint, like I go to a lot of games and I just enjoyed every night going to the arena thinking that the Panthers might score 10 because it was a legitimate possibility They might score 10. They only want the cup. The coach came in is like over the style is gonna change We're gonna play playoff hockey in the regular season Listen pal, if you're if you're six points, you're six points out of the final playoff spot You're not playing playoff hockey in the playoffs. I just enjoy I enjoyed the team. I liked the team

It's been bad for the Florida Panthers for 20 years. I can't fathom that after two years of unprecedented success for this franchise, I'd be like, you know what? After that unprecedented success, we're done with it. The pal was so important. It is, it is. The thing is that I still kind of back myself on that. Oh, come on, man. I still back myself on, I don't enjoy this at all. Now I haven't watched a single Panthers game this year, but I don't enjoy the way that they play whatsoever.

I don't know about you guys. Did you not find like the style, like mind numbing? The fact that no one can score a goal, no one can like get a shut off in this series is appalling. I would also say, obviously a lot of the centers around the Matthew Kachuck trade, I don't know about you guys, but I've never felt more confident about my opinion on that trade. Listen, I just watched Matthew Kachuck score zero goals in a seven game series. I watched him have a plus minus of zero while the Florida Panthers

had a plus minus of 10. I feel like he's contributing nothing to the cause. I think they are overcoming this albatross of a long-term contract that they have in order to still win playoff games anyway. I've actually felt, I feel more confident in my takes from two years ago than I did even then. That's gross. I love you looking up that plus minus thing,

just like, oh, maybe I can find something here. And you came back with zero It's not like he's negative. You're like, oh I looked up all these The team the team was plus 10. He was zero. He's contributing nothing He's heard he's about last night. They won by six goals to one his plus minus was negative one last night wedding him I don't know. He has no puck. Now. This guy's a pro. He gets it. This is a hot take master. You know what happened Chris? Is I saw the Florida Panthers logo

in the background behind Dan and I was like I need some armament. I need to look up a stat that's gonna somehow back my opinion. That's what you have to head into a war with, armament. I don't like it's a mint from an armor. That's how Winningham enters a fight with a an armor. It's, that's how winning him enters a fight with a breath mint.

That's how he begins. And those red and white ones that you get at a restaurant that are in a bowl, but you only see it, the bowl, at the front desk of a restaurant. You don't see anywhere else in public. Put it on the poll at LeBataille Show. Do you ever see these striped peppermints anywhere other than at that cheap restaurant?

What about the brown and green version of those? Cause those are even more rare than the normal peppermints anywhere other than at that cheap restaurant. What about the brown and green version of those? Because those are even more rare than the normal peppermint. I love that extra flavor. You've never had that? The kind of mint chocolate chip version of it? I've had it, but I haven't seen it. A restaurant has never been so bold as to go that route. Oh, really?

In my experience. Wheel's American Cafe in Weston, Dale. Did COVID kill toothpicks? Because I don't find toothpicks at restaurants anymore. I still find them. Really? Yeah, hibachi. I was walking out of a restaurant twice this weekend where I'm just like, where's the toothpick?

I used to love grabbing a toothpick on the way out. Kind of a gross thing to give out to people at a restaurant. You're basically saying like, pick food out of your teeth and We're allowing you to do this very gross thing in front of others. Like take care of it at home with some floss. You're supposed to do it when you leave, you're not supposed to do it at the table. It should be a tiny toothbrush. You're like standing in the parking lot fishing food out of your teeth.

Like that's not good. I just chew the toothpick, right? Do you guys actually pick stuff out of your teeth? I'm just like, it's just a vibe. Cinnamon toothpicks. Yes, if they're minty, of course, but Wittingham's not wrong when he says, why don't you just give someone a little dental kit

with a little toothbrush and say, why don't you clean yourself up on the way out? A little deodorant on the way out? Old dirty mouth. Why don't you clean that up, old dirty mouth? Why don't we have one communal bottle of mouthwash? We'll gargle and you can fix up your breath while you're on your way out as well.

A little spit bucket maybe? Again, a breath mint connoisseur here, one Chris Whittingham joins us. We haven't seen you in a while. How has it been? You've made some of the biggest and best gold calls and you're on a surfboard at the top of your dreams. It makes me wanna punch you in the face.

Yeah, honestly, I think I called over two legs, maybe the greatest games that I will ever call. It's kind of wild to feel like I've already hit the peak of my career. We had the Champions League semi final at CBS between Inter and Barcelona, I finished seven six over two legs. And every moment, something was happening. And I felt like I was yelling for two and a half hours straight. I have never been so committed to it.

I woke up the next day sort of like with an adrenal fatigue. But honestly, it is kind of wild to be watching something unfold in front of you and go, I think this is as good as it ever gets. Like, I think even if like, I don't know, by some grace of God, I call like a World Cup final or something, I don't think the game will ever be as good as that game was. And I don't know how much you guys are following soccer these days but that Barcelona team is honestly as fun as any team that I have

ever watched in my life. It is so ridiculously fun. That's Stugats going into the old wheelhouse and getting one of his Hall of Fame moves where he's just like, ah, like he's been reading up on the magical arts of Barsa. That's what you've been doing with all your off time Stugatz? Watching soccer. Watching some of the medium all highlighted? He's gone from soccer. That would be a remarkable turn from you if all of a sudden you showed up like, guys, after three months I got into soccer. It's great great I'm watching Serie A every weekend now it's

unbelievable not what happened instead he just went to Vegas and thought and saw a thousand Shashevskis Serie A by the way I know your soccer I want to get to this game show that we were trying to get off the ground here where Zazz asked Tony hockey questions but first I want to so he's not backing down on either of those, those takes, but can from the room, which take is worse, the Panthers take or the Yanis take? And I, can I get some folks? It's the Yanis take. Yanis just went out in the first round. The Panthers are making three, like I think the Panthers are, it was Yanis. Yanis is the gold standard. This Panthers take is just getting

worse and worse by every round they advance. The Panthers take is worse because you also have to consider he was at least portraying a Panther fan who bails on the team when then they win the cup. He became a Rangers fan. He has to be the only Panther fan that jumped off the ship in the last three years. He wasn't a Yannis fan. Just picture the Panther fan the last three years being like,

I'm out on this. Do you know how hard it is to be virtue signaling as Zaslow when you are saying that Paul Maurice is the murderer of fun and you fired him? Twice. And he can lecture Wittingham about how wrong he is. I kicked him out of my city. And not be wrong because Wittingham, this part you are the most wrong on. You bailed on this team at the worst possible time

after following them your entire life. If you have courage of your conviction, you believe things even when things go against you. And I still maintain the courage of my conviction. It's as though you should still believe that Paul Maurice is the murderer of fun, because he is, he inarguably is is that that style of hockey I don't know how you guys watch it every night I would be clawing my eyes out watching teams be

unable to even shoot the puck never mind score goals these words coming out of your mouth you call soccer for a living these words coming out of your mouth right now there were 75 shots in that game. It was just one team taking them all. In the first two periods. You can't say last night's game didn't have enough shots for you. Well, I didn't watch it. So I must say my opinion is not very informed in this respect.

I only get like a score up. Can I tell you guys in a moment of actual revelation of how this team makes me feel, I check the score like once an hour, mostly for live betting opportunities. I check the score like once an hour, mostly for live betting opportunities. I'm kind of hoping that when I log on to my app that I see the Florida Panthers down,

this year I've decided I'm making money on my misery. So every time I see the Florida Panthers down, I race to live bet them because they seem to come back from deficits very often. See, you're not watching because that was the narrative like three seasons ago, the comebacks thing. I don't even think they really did that this year.

You're a fraud. In the first round, in the first round, I made a lot of money in that Tampa series, live betting them when they were down a goal or down two goals. So it didn't really work in this Toronto series. They seem to have a lead more often. But I check it like once an hour.

And honestly, I had a moment last night before I went to bed, when I saw that it was 5-1 to the Panthers at that point, obviously they went on to win 6-1, that I was like, I just want this to be over. I don't, because Cody had texted me at nil nil, like, hey, can you come on the show tomorrow? And I was like, I would rather come on if Toronto wins,

but I don't want to do this. Logging onto the Zoom this morning was a suffering. I want this to be over Carolina. I'm wearing a hurricane shirt because I'm so desperate for Carolina to get this done. Please for the love of God. He's the worst Panther fan. End this for me.

He is the worst national and international Panther fan there's ever been. He's not a Panther fan. He's a Rangers fan. And not only is he a Rangers fan. He's a Rangers fan. And not only is he a Rangers fan. I'll be back. He's an X fan. Once we all get over this collective struggle that we're going through as Panthers fans,

when we all realize, we all wake up in the morning and go, what were we doing with this Matthew Kachuck thing, with this Paul Maurice thing? Let's go back to playing real hockey again. I'll be back. I'll be back. But until then, I'm out. You're not welcome. Not only did you become a Rangers fan, the Panthers beat the Rangers

in the conference final last season. It's bad for you, Chris. You're not welcome. And blew up your blueprint too. They took something from them too. Yes, something was taken from you and you sound hurt. I should say that Chris Whittingham should be doing this interview from a bathtub, but he's a coward

and also someone who does not pay his debts. He is somebody, so. Listen, I did a show, I did one of these guest appearances last year from my shower, so. No, no. I don't know how I have not paid this obligation to you. It's a bathtub, it's a bathtub.

Also, the least. I don't have a bathtub. Okay, well we need to, it's not a punishment, grid of death, you decide how you're gonna do it. It's a bathtub. Okay. Well we need to find that it's not a punishment grid of death You decide how you're gonna do it. It's a bathtub like I'm gonna go to like to the local Home Depot Yeah, I call you from the zoom and yeah, one of their Yes, yes, yes, yes You use enough for you guys you oh what just pay your debt

Hmm. All right. Look, I'm gonna go around to go to the office today and be like hey is any of you guys have an apartment with a bathtub? I need to do a guested on the lebatard show. That's what you do. Oh, you have nothing to do with your own success We rocketed you to fame and so you owe us this debt of gratitude by doing a show from a bathtub It was supposed to be not one segment in clothes with no water Like you just you said like you did it the worst way Like you did it the way you're accusing the Panthers of playing playoff hockey. Give the people entertainment. All right.

I'll be, I'll be shirtless next time. I'll be in a bathtub. Thank you. The, the Leafs held the trio of Barkov, Reinhardt and Kachuk to just four goals in the series and still lost historically. Historically is what I meant. Unfathomably.

And that, that is actually kind of the thing that's most annoying about the Florida Panthers. How deep they are I checked the box score and I go who are these people who are these people that are scoring goals? I legitimately learned of a name last night something with an F and a J in it. No, sorry Gadiel bitch who is that? Jonah Gadiel bitch? Who is that? No idea He's a wrinkle that Maurice threw in he's a fourth liner who Maurice brought in game three. I'll tell you who he is.

He's a winner. He's a winner. I'll tell you who Gajdjiewicz is. He's the guy who had twice as many goals this series, also Matthews. Winner. This is annoying. I don't understand it.

I legitimately don't understand. Also, how are you guys feeling about the Brad Marshan experience? All right, so hold on a second. Mike Ryan won't come into work today because of his shame. I want to get, by the way, at some point today to the basketball because the NBA is officially back. It's back in a big way, Dan O.

And we're enjoying hockey a little bit excessively this morning because the champs felt good last night. But is this take about the Detroit Lions, by me, worse than either one of Whittingham's takes, I will tell you that the team that I am talking about, the Detroit Lions, went 0-16 to become the first winless team, I believe, in the history of the NFL. The Lions are going to be very good this year. The Detroit Lions are going to be very good this year.

I own that comment. Calvin Johnson is going to be really good this year. You know what you've seen so far from Ted Ginn? You've seen all of a sudden, you've seen Ted Ginn's second year. You're like, oh wow, look at that. Look, he's figured some things out. He looks a lot better than he looked last year. Calvin Johnson is a lot better than Ted Ginn. He's a lot better than Ted Ginn and he's a lot better this year and he was a lot better last year and he will be a lot better every year that they're healthy in the league at the same time. And I like Ted Ginn.

Could be the best tandem in the league, Dan. Sir, if Johnson's going to be that good, Roy Williams is amazing. Roy Williams is amazing. And I just think the Lions are going to be really good this year. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. In your defense, Calvin Johnson's the best part. Yeah, but in defense of Dan, Calvin Johnson was good.

1,300 yards and 12 touchdowns. It was good. I think we're overlooking the Roy Williams' amazing part. Yeah. Ha ha ha ha amazing part. I Will tell you that earlier and it was amazing at Texas to be fair. Yeah I thought that the Panther take was worse than the honest take and I realized after examining it It's because of the the sort of film that I felt Hearing David Sampson's aluminum voice in the middle of that just being extra

annoying and it tipped it over the edge for me. It made that take worse than the other one just because Sampson's voice was in it. That one's worse than both of those, isn't it? Well, Roy Williams only played five games that year for Detroit before being shipped to Dallas. He had 17 catches for 230 yards. So not great. Was he amazing in Dallas? He had 19 catches in 10 games. Less than 200 yards. So not great. So is that winning him is my take?

The thing though, Dan, in your defense is that the lion's share of that take, no pun intended, is correct in that Calvin Johnson was incredible. The whole take was predicated upon Calvin Johnson being good, inexplicably compared to Ted Ginn in that context. He certainly is much better than Ted Ginn. Orlovsky ran out of the end zone in that season.

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covers 99% of the US population. 5G speeds not available in all areas. Don LeBretard. Florida claws back from down to wo because they were getting their asses handed to them by Toronto to then get lit a fire underneath them by their head coach, Paul Paul Maurice who did the thing. Remember how the run spark was sparked last year? Stugats! He called them a bunch of peas and bees.

He did the thing again. Called them a bunch of peas and bees and then boom! Five unanswered. You win the division. This is the Don LeBattar Show with the StGuts. That is a good one. Holy shit. What? That's an all-timer. That, Stu Gots might've just ended the game. That is a thing that happened around here and we don't have the sound of that. I had it scrubbed from the record. No one is- In 2012, in 2012 though, that was correct. No. Everyone was correct. No, it was not. No, that was never correct.

It was, no, it was absolutely correct. That was never correct. No one in the history of radio other than Dan said here and sat down behind a microphone and said, hey, you know what? I'm scared of Roy Hibbert. You don't remember what Roy Hibbert did to us then. I don't remember. I remember what Tim Duncan did to everybody. You know about that verticality? Yes, exactly. Leapings denying everyone at the rim. I mean, for God's sake, the Heat started Dexter Pittman in a playoff game

to try and combat Roy Hibbert. That's how desperate we were to solve the problem, only to realize that the problem has been solved then and thereon, because all we needed to do was go small. Small was the answer the whole time. And it was sitting in front of us. LeBron James at center was sitting in front of us

the whole time and somehow we didn't see It witty the funny thing about that take historically wrong though. It is Because my Lions take was wrong because Kittna got hurt at the beginning of that season, but you were right on Megatron Thank you, but this one is worse But what Whittingham says I will tell you what was the basis of that take because not only was it wrong what winning him says i will tell you what was the basis of that take because not only was it wrong steven a came on and i was saying to him who in the world would you take over him or to get slow brought in the he's like tim duncan and i've by laughter him because at the point that we were living

that those tree lands of roy hibbert were making out to you why it is that this happened to me i was watching the broadening the gym practicing skywalks ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and they hadn't figured out yet, you gotta go bear off the court. You know about that verticality? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Dante Culpepper started five games for that Lions team. I just saw that too. I am shocked by that. How could they not win once? More interceptions and touchdowns for Dante. You would think that the formula of Dante Culpepper throwing deep to Calvin Johnson was unassailable in 2008.

And yet somehow it didn't work. Oh and Matt, it was unstoppable, Witty. You could play as that Owen 16 Lions and beat anybody because you just have Culpepper throwing bombs to Megatron, it was incredible. Let me put up against the Hall of Famer, you guys decide who wins worst of the takes. Go ahead, Andy Reid, I dare you to go 14 and two

and allow Alex Smith to leave Arrowhead Stadium to leave Kansas City. Go ahead, I dare you. Because of Patrick Mahomes. Because you think you could turn Patrick Mahomes into something that Alex Smith is not. Alex Smith is a very good quarterback. The audacity.

First off, to do this to Alex Smith, who's been very good and loyal to Andy Reid and won him a lot of football games, dangle patrick mahomes out there because andy reid thinks he's some sort of quarterback whisper which he is not by the way he is not because if he was out that would be better than he's been the last few years so i put i while there was that i mean that's a record for content on andy reid that is that is a that is a little bit about that i don't want to read that sets a world record for still gots not paying attention to any of the things he said the sentence before.

I think we have a new leader in the clubhouse. You fire Paul Maurice. It's between that it's between that take and witty with the Panthers. Those are the two fighting it out for the championship. Do I have an O.L.I. here when I remember what Stu Gotts' famous take was about Dwyane Wade and Pat Riley failing Dwyane Wade, and then months later LeBron and Bosch are here, and Stugatz I believe was pretty- But at the time he was failing Dwyane Wade.

Well at the time Hibbert wasn't a scarecrow. And also another one that I think stands the test of time for Stugatzatz because I think that Dwayne Wade and his place in NBA history is underrated because of the period between 2006 and 2010 when the Heat didn't do anything. Those are Dwayne Wade's best years and I actually don't think he gets nearly enough credit for how good he was as kind of the better of the players between LeBron and Dwayne Wade in 2011. He had a five year periodron and Dwyane Wade in 2011.

He had a five year period where honestly, Dwyane Wade should be considered in a much higher standing than I think he is now. I think it's because he wasn't winning at the best points of his career. I give Stu Gatze a fair amount of credit there. I don't understand your condescending smugness when you're so very wrong in such a spectacular way

while hiding beneath your courageous convictions. Because I believe I actually am criticized for not liking Dwayne Wade enough. I think that in that period and obviously his knees sort of failed him from there but 2006 to 2011 after they win the championship Dwayne Wade should have been like right up there with Kobe. He should have been right up there with LeBron and he wasn't and I think that is largely the responsibility of the Miami Heat Organization for not putting more around him and then they did and they did and then his body failed him Roy I'm throwing a lot at you right now because I asked you for that Wade sound but in the end that command F is working That command F is working right now. He's searching Wade. He's searching Dwayne

All right searching failed the city. All right, there is a lot of searching going on in that computer He's right. They're doing all that right now. Yes, they are. He's familiar with the command death. But Roy, okay, you have found the sound and it can be played though, because now we have the added problem of music being something that if it's playing is problematic,

but you found sound that we can play. All right, let's hear. This again is, I believe minutes before Chris Bosh and LeBron and Wade were coming up on stage It might have been the day of the morning of before they came up on stage to a fireworks show here is Stu got Ripping Dwayne Wade Pat Riley everybody has Pat Riley failed Dwayne Wade Seriously has Riley and the organization because then all these other teams all the other contenders went out and made moves and they heat haven't Done a single thing. What have they done for Dwayne Wade? They got him Jermaine O'Neal a broken Jermaine O'Neal

He's gonna leave here and he should leave here. They got him Shaq. Yeah and a championship since then Let's sell him on this notion of all these guys. We're gonna get next year. None of these guys want to come here None of them he's failed Dway. None of them. He's failed, Dwayne Wade. Failed the fans, failed the city. That's a good take. None of them wanted to come here, then they all came here discounted. Everyone, all of them. Then they all came discounted.

That afternoon they came discounted. So which is the worst of the takes? Huh. Is it still Mahomes? Mahomes is pretty bad. Best quarterback ever. The greatest quarterback of all time. He's halfway through his career.

You dare, Dan, you need to get rid of Alex Smith. Is there a better trade in sports though, the last five years than the Panthers-Kachuk trade? Like ripping that one. He has zero goals in this series. Wait, you're not watching. He's still affecting the game. They've made like 10 better trades since.

He's still affecting the game. Maybe Trevor Rogers for Kyle Stowers and Connor Moody. All right, he's less than me. With Maybe Trevor Rogers for Kyle Stowers and Connor Watch hockey witty. All right, the whole thing has gotten away zero goals This is this is insulting. This is insulting The fancy lad comes back with his parasol and he's been broadcasting the big games and he thinks he could fake his way through a broadcast By just looking at a box score and doing plus minus I got enough knowledge here Even though I'm a ranger fan who hasn't watched much hockey this year and I'm a take master. He just said how's the

Marshan thing working out he's arguably the second or third best player in the entire playoffs for us so far. And Paul Maurice said he's a wonderful human being. He is. How's the Marshan thing working out is literally the worst thing you could say. That's just him getting text from Mike Ryan right? That's all that is. I'm more sort of asking, do you like him? Have you turned and are you supporting him as a fan? Only Mike Ryan is struggling with that. I have a rule in life. Mike Ryan has a lot of valid points on that one, by the way.

I have a rule in life. Mike Ryan has a lot of valid points. I have a rule in life. You all should listen to him. When it comes to the Panthers, I have a rule in life. If Barkov's cool with it, I'm cool with it. So Jeremy's taunting me saying, you said Tom Brady was washed at 35

and he had another Hall of Fame career. That's another good one. That's another really good one. That's a great one. I didn't say he was washed. I said his deep ball, I'm not gonna do this again. You said he was done, I mean. I did not say he was washed.

I'm not gonna do it again. But I did say that I'd draft Odin over Durant. You did say that yes Durant was too skinny. He couldn't bench 185. You know about that verticality. Let me get the sound as a palate cleanser here before we get to the game show of just, even Wittingham, okay, who knows how to be an asshole and embraces his inner asshole, even Wittingham winced at hearing himself say this with smugness.

Listen, pal. To Paul Maurice. Listen, pal. Dan, it's a key, it's a key term to make you sound like an expert. He was so smug at the beginning of that season. I will never forget. He was smug. No, he was really when they start. I remember that first broadcast back in the old Fox Sports Florida days, I think where they come on the air and like, Hey guys, here's, who's going to change this year. We're going

to play playoff style hockey all season long. And God almighty, what was the name of that third string goalkeeper that like made ridiculous saves at the end of that first season? Spencer Knight? No, no, no, no, no, no, Alex Lyon. Was it Alex Lyon? And it wasn't for him. Everyone was bagging on Sergei Bobrovsky.

As a matter of fact, speaking of bad takes, we did a month after the Panthers got eliminated from the playoffs on Spencer Knight is better than Sergei Bobrovsky. We did a month on that. We did it during the playoffs. No, no, hold on. We did a month on that. Hold on.

We did. And somehow I have the wrong take on the Panthers. Whitty, this is the... We mean somehow you have the wrong take. The Stanley Cup champions. Zaz, though, you've been quiet long enough. Let him have it. It's... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I was dead wrong. I was dead wrong and I'm thrilled that I was dead wrong You're sitting there saying how the Panthers got it wrong and they're the champions And you and you don't like winning hams general smugness about how this whole radio thing is beneath I could do without the smugness Nill Nill! Listen pal, how many listen pals has Zazzalot done in his career?

He's the king of listen pal. Listen pal. Oh boy, I love it. Listen pal. There's no one qualified. You really should be ashamed to show your face in public, Winningham, honestly. You come out here, you're here, you're just giving takes and you're admitting to being unmasked as box-score Charlie.

I mean, you're sitting next to someone who's made a career of it, so. Anyone here, Tony tried to get in there with a Spencer Knight? Thank you, Chris, for mentioning that. Chris, because poor Tony, I have felt for him, because I've been trying to get to this game show for 35 minutes and we can't shut Whittingham up

and he can't be wrong even though he's wrong. I wanna participate in the game show, what's the game show? Okay, well, Jess, this is the fun we used to have before you got here and ruined it by doing all the things that you do that range from going from Panthers fan to Rangers fan to I'm not wrong for doing that, to they're the champions.

Like, it's asinine. Let's go Canes. Okay, you can be as stubborn as you want, but Tony, in the middle of that, who has had to endure this three straight summers, was so excited when you asked, who was that third string goalie, to yell, Knight, into the air. Ooh, I know a goalie name.

He couldn't have gotten the first name, but he got in a very small window with the knowledge of there's a knight to be thrown into the mix It's also the star-spangled banner right where they yelled night. That was the joke from last week. It was like night It was the wrong night though He was there somewhere right so are you ready to play this game who's gonna lead it Zazzle do we finally have the game show? Music thank you from the my maniacally grinning Roy Bellamere. Okay, everybody, welcome to another edition of Tony Knows Hockey!

First edition, but okay, let's go. Another edition! Yes, I'm Jonathan Zazzle, I'm your host. Everybody knows I am a game show host. And the way today's game works is we test Tony's knowledge of puck. Is everybody ready? Yes, yes. First up, anyone want to take the over under of one and a half correct answers out of five for Tony? Any action? any action under under I believe in my friend he's getting me over thank you going over I'm going over even money on

both sides over under one and a half correct answers first up Tony are you ready yes sir give us the definition for icing Hmm Icing okay, so they take the puck right and they shoot it to the other side But there's nobody on the other side and it crosses the blue line And then the goalie has to go and get it right and then they're like hey, there's nobody over there You can't do that. You know why wait a minute. I think that question was too generic I think what makes it icing though that there's nobody over there You can't just do that Incorrect and he said that the goalie went and got the puck that is incorrect Tony we can't get him a half correct

So what so what makes it icing honestly correct? Incorrect Tony! He's also the judge, you gotta shut up. He's a game show host. So what makes it icing? Honestly, I don't know. The puck has to be shot from the other side of the center line. It crosses the goal line and then the other team touches up before you do. Icing! It has to pass three lines. So it passes the blue line at some point. That's one of the lines that goes by. That's an unfair question. Let's not ask for definitions anymore. Next up, Tony, are you ready? They don't call that's one of the lines ago. Okay, it's an unfair. Let's not ask for definitions Next up Tony. Are you ready? Don't call me Tony Puck for nothing, baby. Let's go. They don't what

What a Line chain. Oh, this is when guys jump off the off the bench and then other guys switch, right? So they switch the lines they go from one guy to another guy Yeah, you're out of here, but then you got too many guys. You got a penalty for that That is correct We have now entered the portion of Tony knows hockey where audience members can ask Tony a question. Tony, do we have any volunteers? I have one.

What is the area that the goalie stands in called? The blue area that the goalie stands in. The blue area that the goalie stands in. This is a good one. I know you know it. You do know this. It's the net. What, no.

Oh, no. Oh, no. No. That would be The end of the nuts. The crease. The you do know this it's the net Between the pipes That's what's beating you, Toronto. Toronto, Dade County is... This is a godly day, you. Dade County is full of that. They're gonna wander over about game two of the final round and then they'll be in the streets with pots and pans. That's what's... Toronto cares about this more than anything in the world.

Losers! They care about this more than anything in the world. Last night, Brad Marchet was making the argument that Toronto cares about it too much to win. Nobody understands how insulting it is that that in the swamp picture has 6-1 last night. He stands in the nets. Again, just to recap the last answer, Tony believes the goalie, the painted area in front of goalie is the net That kind of thing Tony when both teams are even strength how many players does each team have on the ice? Even strength yeah means no penalties nobody's in the penalty box. Oh, that is what even strength means That's not one of the questions. So you've got the goalie. That's one.

OK. On both sides, obviously. Well, I'm just doing one team. Just one team. We're not asking you to name the positions. OK, the goalie. That's one player. And five on the ice.

So six total. That's correct. Wow. Yeah! He hit the over. He hit the over. Wow. Wow.

If you're just tuning in now, everybody, welcome. This is another edition of Tony Knows Hockey. It's not another. It's not another one. It's just the first one. It's another edition. We'll do it next week. I don't know if there'll be a second one.

There's for sure more terms that I don't know. So there's always there. Certainly we can cover hockey better than this. It's a championship team. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. We went two weeks The next question. Oh, OK, so. I apologize, Stu Gotts.

That was rude of the game show host. OK, go ahead. You're referring yourself as game show host third person. Everybody knows I am a game show host. My name is Jonathan Sazlo, and this is another edition of Tony Knows Hockey. It's a good game. It's a good game.

Tony, are you ready for your next question? Yes. What is a chirp? Let me repeat. What is a chirp? A chirp is when you're skating by a guy you don't like you give him a little chicken wing on the side Technically no, no, that's fakery. That's it's not a turp Verbal a chirp is verbal. It's verbal. It's not a chicken Wings. Yeah, you suck. We have a judge. I mean. We do have a judge and game show host.

Yeah. I am also a judge in addition to a game show host, and therefore my ruling. And a doctor. He's also a doctor. I am not a doctor. Also, my ruling is... That is incorrect. The chicken wing. You had it. Chicken wing, yeah. With prejudice. There it him. With prejudice.

There it is, thank you, an excellent, another edition, another excellent edition. This has been another edition of Tony Knows Hockey! All right, we're gonna do basketball next because I can't alienate the audience anymore. Why couldn't I have been on for that segment? What would you have to say about basketball? I'm a Knicks guy now. Yeah.

Turn him off. Get him out of here. I'm a short Amtrak away from Madison Square Garden, and I gotta tell ya, I watched one video of John Stewart celebrating with various celebrities. For me, it's the fact that the celebrities care. The Lakers fans are there to be seen. I feel like the Knicks fans are actual fans that have been there through thick and thin,

through suffering, through absolutely no success, and I actually believe their sincerity when they sit courtside. I have to be honest, I enjoyed watching that. That was a fun scene over the weekend watching the Knicks win that game. Stay there so you can go full heel. Like you're embarrassing. I love it. You are.

You're like, you used to be a South Fridian, I don't know what you are now, other than un arrepentido. Like, that's it. Wow. No, I've proclaimed it. Tremendo arrepentido. Sin vergüenza.

Wow.