The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: You Have No Name or Face

Episode Date: December 20, 2023

David Samson and Jeremy Tache get into it over the lebatardaf.com merch store because Jeremy is upset he can't get a free shirt with his own name and face on it. What happened to NIL? David also discusses the saga over Tommy Devito's agent and a restaurant. Then, Dan is against taking the crew to the Super Bowl because of the constant tech issues and Tony delivers his Top 5 from another room in the studio. Plus, are the Dolphins, Eagles, and Cowboys in the same tier? And Drew Lock brings us to tears...until he doesn't. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. Welcome to the big, sweet, presented by Giraffe King. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants, just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries, that if they're just there,

that hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now, here's the marching band to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. Juju, please put it on the poll at Levitard show where you surprise that a ticket for running a red light is $158. We continue to have technical issues with David Samson,

but now we've got the reverse of the other issues that we've had. We can't get rid of his sound. He is just wandering around the premises here, talking into a microphone and we can't eliminate it. So while you're here, David, I suppose I will just ask you, where are we with the merch store? How is it doing during the holidays? Levitard AF.com is where people can get the stuff that they can wear out in public and other stuff that

isn't clothing. What are you laughing about? You can wear everything in public. Why would you caveat it that? Well, because there are some things that are sexual in you end up with Greg Cody's face on it. And that's just something I would wear around the bedroom. I'd like to. But it's up to the person who buys it. I agree. But I'm I am putting my particular repressed imprint on the merch store and telling you some of that stuff is not to be worn out in public. I think that everything we have on lebitardaf.com is to be worn in public. And do you want to know what the most popular item is? Sure.

There's a shirt out there for Miami Heat Player and it's a one wick shirt. I don't know if we can get a picture of that. Yeah. Jaime Hakez is becoming a star. He's got a Hotels.com commercial now with Jimmy Butler. And people are noticing that he's one of the best rookies in the sport. I don't know that he can win rookie of the year when you've got Mike Homegren and Victor Tempe, he's a cop off. Mike Homegren is a football coach. Mike Homegren, if he were dominating that, it home is a football coach. My friend if he were dominating the Ask me a little weird. Real amazing.

Yeah, talking side. Different. Good in the low post. Oh, chat home. Green. Yes, my home. David, while we're here, I do have a quick question about merch at my store.

White. We talk a lot about NIL around here, name, image, and likeness and players profiting off of their own name, image, and likeness. And I was hoping to maybe get a couple of two-shay tash-ay shirts for my family. But I believe I have to pay for my own name and face on a shirt to be able to get shirts for my fan

really. And our last name is that the truth and I get some free shirts of me. Samson, here's what's funny. Have known. Oh, for the love of guys. Here's what's funny about this. Samson, I saw the other day that skipper sent out an email that he thought was holiday generous.

Yeah, that's right. All employees get 40% off of the merchandise. And as I saw that email, I thought to myself, I know our group. They're going to be saying, where's the other 60% off? Uh-huh. Yeah, that's true story, Dan. You actually asked me to do 100% discount to your employees. Well, and there was no chance toilet pants that was going to happen. It's my name and my face, David. But it's not without without

metal arc and levitar, you have no name or face. I don't have a name or face. I don't even have a contract here. I'm way that's your own problem. You don't have a name or face with all the world. What are you doing here? I don't know the name or face with that. What in the world is that? What are you doing here? What are you talking about? I don't know the neighbor or face. When this ends up being clear. That'd be very clear. So interesting.

Without metal arc media and the Dan Levitard show with Stu Gotts, there is no one who cares about a two-shay tash-ay shirt. Okay, David. Okay. This merch store doesn't have quite the soul that I wish for it to have when you're telling. It's soulless. When you are telling people, no, it doesn't have quite the soul that I wish for it to have when you're telling it's Solace when you are telling people know it's it doesn't have a name a face or a soul like it is a

Disembodied it's got 40% off though. It doesn't body. What a cotton-headed mini muggins greed machine What goes in the penalty box else it's an elf reference. I know son of reference. I know. I know it's an elf reference that I know. Clearly reading right off his computer. I'm trying. He's not coming at that. He's not he's not being sent to the penalty box. Does anyone. Does anyone care about this t-shirt ship besides us? This just feels like us looking into a mirror. Yeah. I mean, that's what the show has been for 20 years. That's true. Naval gazing. Yeah. I'm a little neighbor. Sorry.

Levitardaf.com. I learned David birth Jeremy today is where you go. All right, put David Samson away. I need the distractions to stop here. If you want anything for the holidays, I don't know actually now that I've put him away where there's Samson sucks 20 as a discount code still gets you 20% offer. Yes, it does Get out of here. How did just turn him down? How do you how do you turn him down and get him out of here? It works when we don't want the word

Billy what is factual about Tommy DeVito and his agent. The marketing part is now eliminated. He's been fired. Is it Sean Stiletto? Is the name of his agent? The guy who dressed as a leprechaun in all green or an LFET last Sunday's game when they lost 24 to six. The guy who is at the middle of the kerfuffle

with the New Jersey peteria that Stu got says, hey man, yesterday's price is not today's price. Whatever it is, you agreed to Tommy Davido is more famous. What's true about the relationship with the agent? Well, his name's John Stelato, not Stelato. He wasn't dressed like an elf. He was wearing his Hall of Fame jacket and more like a matching bag. No, he was wearing, and he, you know,

there was an incident at a pizzeria, and it seems like Tommy made good and he sat down and he met with the pizzeria owner. He had an agreement and they guess after Monday night football, they wanted to double the price of the appearance fee and, you know, the owner obviously didn't like that, but he's made good on that. And it seems as though Tommy has since hired someone else to manage the PR, but he still has retained his agent for football things. I don't know what to do with that if I am stilado.

You need to dial it back a little. Well, no, you don't. He's doing his job. I mean, that's what he was doing. His job isn't usually to be quite this look at me. Like your agent doesn't get famous off of your fumes because of how he's dressing. Not a lot of other agents are doing it that way. If you're a client, you want your agent to be a little more in the shadows,

I think. He made negative news about him. Like that was the based off the way he did it. That was his agent's thing of like, let's double this price. Hey, we got a strike. His agent was you, right to the pizza place. I understand that. And then I made him a bunch of bad PR.

So he's like, I got to, I got to switch this. There was never assigned agreement. So that's on the pizza shop for not having assigned agreement with Tommy DeVito and Sean Stelato, okay? That's on them. All this guy is doing for Tommy is what he should be doing for Tommy. Hey, your profile has risen over the last few weeks. I want to get you more money before it goes back down the other way.

But you have to look ahead on these things. How will this look? Yes, it's easy just to under the table be like, hey, I want double the price. But if that makes news, that's a bad look. You stop being the lovable underdogs, do you gots when what your agent has now done for you is you're arguing with a mom and pop pizza shop on greed.

Like, it's not worth whatever, whatever you were gonna make in double, you just cost yourself because that, all everything that just happened there, where you're being let go is something that looks bad for your client and your job is to make sure, however it is that you can, that you're not the reason that your client looks bad on any.

But it also looks bad to get rid of a guy, or at least get rid of some of his responsibilities of a guy who was stood by your side when maybe not a ton of agents would be willing to stand by your side because you're Tommy DeVito. I don't understand what you're doing there. I mean, he's Tommy DeVito's agent, okay? And this guy is loyal to Tommy DeVito.

And suddenly Tommy DeVito has success and the agent's trying to do what an agent should do. And Tommy DeVito is saying, no, I don't want that. I don't want more money. Get out of my life. He doesn't want the bad press. Do you got to realize that we are talking about a minuscule transaction that has turned into symbolic greed from the newcomer who becomes less of an underdog? And you don't have to agree with it. I understand that you're going to be pro-greed at all turns, but it would appear that Tommy

DeVito says, no, thank you to whatever it is that feels like because he doesn't want to be represented in public looking like he's that greedy that as soon as he gets to fame, he's going to strong arm a local pizzeria. And so he's the one deciding, according to what Billy's telling me here, to eliminate the marketing arm because of what just happened in that instance, which is the agent and Tommy DeVito falling in a potholes to guys, whatever the negative press is absolutely costing them more in optics,

then what the double appearance fee was gonna get. We're talking about 10K here. It was originally 10K and they made it 20K. How do you sign an autographs, right? There was no sign contracts. So the agent saying, yeah, yesterday it was 10K now, it's 20K for the same exact deal. I'm okay with that if I'm talking to Vito.

I'd give that some bread. Yeah, for an appearance, nice. Yeah, did you do that on purpose? Ah, some dough. They broke bread. Him and Tommy DeVito and the pizza owner, you know, broke bread, figured out. Some dough.

And he did it for free. I was, he still, how is he still here? How, okay, Samson, since you're still here, let's get your opinion on what it is that we're talking about there. Because you don't, your distaste for Scott Boris is legendary. There is no one you skewer more than Scott Boris. What is your take on what it is that we're talking about? Well, it cost Tommy 10 grand, but the thing that you have to focus on is Tommy had a marketing guy before. This is not a new thing. We got some bad information out

there, but I did some searching because I couldn't believe that DeVito would allow this to happen. This level of greed because it's penny wise and pound foolish. So he cost himself. He did the appearance for free. And the marketing people were stomped on by this agent who you gave a platform to who is at 14 and a half minutes and counting. And if DeVito ends up making it, which is unlikely, but if he does, he's going to need new representation. David, since apparently I don't have a name or face without this platform, I've decided I'm going to start an NIL collective. So we're gonna get a go fund me going. It'll be on my Twitter. So if everyone wants to go donate to that so that I can afford to buy a shirt with my own name and face on it.

So I go to go to at Jeremy Tasha on Twitter and you'll find it. I am asking for money because apparently I can't get free t-shirts of my own face. You should be asking for a contract. I probably should. Samson, I'm not gonna get that at this point though. That's based ball and best sports business podcast. Levitard AF.com. Why are you so angry? You sound like you're spitting the promotions at us.

I'm doing reads. That's how we make money. This is not the holiday spirit. You just erased both the soul of the mercs store and the face of Jeremy Tashay, who has a job outside of this one. Yeah, that's right. And has a face outside of the one that's publicly facing here. You've eliminated any of his features.

I would have appreciated just to thank you. Thank you. Why thank you? See you. Thank you. See you, Jeremy. See you later, Samson. Levitard AF dot com. The 20% off code is Samson sucks and the number 20. Don Levitard.

Well, Charlie sent, uh, Charlie had this, Charlie as far as I know. So it's just Charlie's Title in my Stugats How how familiar were you at the time with Chewbacca like how you're upbringing how'd how had how much Chewbacca in it? DCC down lebertar show with this to got Let's do God's time. Sure at this point that many people listening to this are tired of me lamenting whatever, but mostly lamenting that the last couple of years of trying to do it ourselves has been hard.

You can hear it in the David Samson audio glitches. And I was just told that Tony is now prepared to do his top five. But as I listened in cue to Tony, not going to the most creative of places here in mail it in week where I thought he'd be all over Miami giving us top five instead He just wandered sauntered over to the room next door, which also the audio doesn't work on he six feet away from us That's correct, but I was told the audio wasn't working and he sounded sort of intergalactic and it was shitty But this is while all of you are in my ear all the time about how badly you want to go to the Super Bowl.

And I've been told that if we go to the Super Bowl, it's one technical person, I'm sorry, every person who goes from a microphone talking standpoint needs two technical people with them to go to Las Vegas. Arz is a giant show. All of this seems like it would be really expensive. It's got to be planned. We're planning on the dolphins being in the Super Bowl, in which case we'd want to be there, but the dolphins can be the seven seed in three weeks if football footballs.

Right. So that's why the T-shirts were $40, huh? Cover the cost. I've been to for one. Every guy who speaks into a mic needs to tech people. That's not going to be paid for by t-shirts. I think you have Vegas being a lot cheaper than it is. And I've heard whispers about what your expensive counts look like every time that you leave town, how you crush your mini bar. I love a good mini bar. I do. I mean, listen, it's hard, but it's your own money. But what it's yours? Oh, that mini bar gets a lot easier

to open. But the problem is it is all our money. It is because we all own the company. I don't know why you don't do it. I don't know why you behave in the self-destructive fashion of thinking you're not impairing your own value to the company. And it's really confusing to me that you don't understand this part of ownership. That when I travel, I open that mini-bar, the money I'm spending his mind, is that what you're saying? You are diminishing the value. The war of it is yours, I mean. I mean, that makes it easier to open the mini-bar. Okay. Well, I've heard you in Vegas is to open the mini board. Okay. Okay. Well, I've heard you in Vegas is a bad idea.

Yeah. Just generally a bad idea. That's not going to be anything that's responsible. But I'm told Tony's sound is not working or is working. So I don't trust it, but we're going to try it anyway. Thank you, Tony, for giving so much thought to your top five on a Wednesday and where it would be that you just wandered over to the next room to do it. Do we have any O.L.I. give him his music please.

Hey Dan O'Listen, this is this is very thought out very precise. I wanted to do this for a very particular reason because we're getting close to the Super Bowl. We're hoping to go. We want to go. And I want to show you, I was born to be a drive-time radio host. So what I want to do here is just kind of do a little crosstalk with you guys and make it seem like the good old days where you would crosstalk with Joe Rose or whoever was. You want to deal with Billy who's shaking his head right now and not supporting anything that's happening here. So much waste. I'm actually doing us a favor in the live view that we go out with is very expensive. So I'm actually saving us money.

Sorry about that. I don't think we ever crossed stock with Joe Rose. He was doing mornings. We were doing afternoons. That would have been great. But he's just talking about classic cross-talk. Exactly. And to show over to the next show.

You want to do it with Billy? Who do you want to do it with? I remember you guys doing crosstalk one time with Boog when there was like a hurricane, and there was no power. Remember it was a Tammy and me park waiting in line to get ice. And you guys just did crosstalk

with Boog for like three hours. Cause no one had power, so no one wanted to go home. So you guys just did like multiple shows together. Were you working on the show then, or were you just a listener? I was an ice procurer at the moment. Waiting to get ice from my house that had no power. But were you somebody who was a listener at the moment?

Oh, so you weren't employed? This is something you were employed not here though. I was employed not here though. You said I want to make a career of that. I'm listening to cross talk between booge dan and stewgots. That's what I want to do for a livelihood. I thought it was cool. I also thought it felt very different than whatever this is about to be. OK, so this was, were you an FIU student at the time? It was up.

Had you recently graduated? No, no, no. Would you like to do the cross-talk with Tony or does, would you prefer that you do it with us? I'd prefer that he was islanded in Ireland by himself and floated away and we never saw him again. But it's harsh, man. What a loser. All day season. Wow. OK. He was island in island by himself and floated away and we never saw him again, but What a holiday season Wow, okay, oh, I

Chargers Ben Johnson collision course Unless it's bobella check that is bobella check in the chargers collision course That jobs right for the takings do that It's not observation I have no idea what he's. But it's pretty funny that last week, there was a report that Belichick, it's already been determined, is going to be fired at the end of the season. And we didn't talk about it. Like that's a bit strange.

I want to talk about how many teams would fire their head coach to get Bill Belichick. I do. That's coming up next segment. Number five. I want to see how far I teams would fire their head coach to get Bill Bellichek. I do. That's coming up next segment. Number five. I want to see how far I can push it out. All right, let's see. We'll try that next segment. Go ahead, Tony.

Dac is rounding into perfect December form. That was bad. Watching that one against Buffalo, it's, I feel like we have seen how Detroit gets eliminated, how Dallas gets eliminated, how the dolphins get eliminated. I think we have seen the games play out where we're like, okay, that's going to look familiar in a month. Go ahead, Tony. Number four. Number four, Dana, you were all over this one

a couple of weeks ago, maybe last week. Baker Mayfield and Matthew Stafford, quietly having really nice seasons. It does help though when all the other quarterbacks are hurt and you can just throw Flackle out there and Baker Mayfield and by comparison they look great. Why? Because Drew Locke is out there playing again. Winner by the way.

He looks good on that drive. He did. He's really good. Stafford had a throw where he was backing up, backpedaling, back foot through it like 30 yards on a line to an out route of like Tyler Higmyr somebody that he like towed drag swagged out. It was a beautiful throw.

Well, Stafford still got it. I don't believe that we have covered well or enough, the idea that in a Super Bowl Matthew Stafford felt comfortable enough with Cooper Cupas is only receiving option to throw him a no-look pass on a game-winning drive. I've heard for 30 years the story of Joe Montana coming into the huddle and telling his people 90 yards from the game-winning score, hey look John Candy is in the stands and that was Joe Cool being the coolest. Throwing no-look passes on game-winning drives, I don't believe, I believe that by

itself should put Stafford in the Hall of Fame. Go ahead, Tony. Agreed. Number three. Pretty all but locked up the MVP this weekend, but a heady locker room play from the savvy vet saying it should be CMC who gets the MVP not himself. That's a heavy play from a guy who knows what he's doing. But he's not a vet. It's a savvy vet move though, Dan. That's the point. It is. He's playing like he's already played 10 years in the NFL. He's amazing. I don't know how I don't know why. I know why he's got a lot of players around him. But he's playing

excellently and he's saying all the right things and he's doing all the right things and it's a heavy play. Give it to CMC. I don't want the MVP. I'll have it next year. We'll give it to CMC. He's having an incredible season. We'll do it that way. He earns all the locker room

respect right there on that move. I mean Tony's right. You lie in that situation. He knows he wants it knows he deserves it, but yeah, you know, you give it to a team. Mm hmm. Right leadership. Exactly.

Does I Trevor Lawrence walking to the to the locker room after spring and ankle leadership? Don't take the cart. Walk. Why does he have the same numbers as Daniel Jones for his career? A lot of people have pointed that out. Trevor Lawrence and Daniel Jones look awfully similar. Trevor Lawrence, kind of a bum.

No one's, wow, how are you out? Kind of a bum. Are you out? I'm not out. That means you're out. One foot out the door. That means you're out. One foot out the door. That means you're out. You can't help someone up, bum and say you're that out of them. You're out on Jack's run.

He's in it. He's got a bum leg. That's not what you were saying. Hey, when you reach bum status, you are done with that quarterback. Yes. I'm kind of done with Trevor Lawrence. Okay, well then you're done with Jacksonville and you're holding. I'm not done with Jacksonville.

There's still something there, but I'm worried about Trevor Lawrence long term. You can't be something out on their quarterback and say there's something there on their team. You've got inconsistent opinions in this crosstalk. You are made for sports radio. Nothing you say is consistent number two. Number two, the lions are back on track. Dark horse.

Dark horse. That sounded like a question mark. Here's a question mark. Lions are back on track. Dark horse. Just throwing it out there. Eagles all of a sudden don't look that good. Cowboys don't look that good. Some things break the right way all of a sudden. Who are you betting if Detroit goes to Philadelphia? Philly big. Who are you betting if Philly goes to Detroit? Philly big.

What are you talking about? But if they don't go to Detroit, all of a sudden, Detroit gets, you know, a different path, have to play, you know, the box or whoever. Even the Baker Mayfield looks good. Okay. If they end up with San Francisco in an NFC championship game, I'm gonna bet the 49ers, but in the back of my mind I'm gonna be like look Jared Goff has made it to one of these before Brock Curry hasn't remember he was in there for like five minutes

That is all armed torn out the socket. Why is your head in your hand? I just I miss boog Number one number one don't look now, but no one is circling the wagons. Better than the Buffalo Bills at the moment. Scary team, Josh Allen. James Cook, defense that was hurt, now getting a little bit healthier, beating Dallas. Obviously, we know what happened with the Kansas City Chiefs. When I got to get there, Chris is very upset. I'm upset, too. Did you see Cadarious Tony led up a mind-boggling interception last week too? Another one went through his hands

and ended up being an interception. He's so bad. He's so good though. That's the problem. He's such an elite athlete. And he's just making plays that are not good for his team. Anyways, Buffalo Bills, keep an eye out for them. We got it. Because they're circling the wagons right out the right time boys.

Mikey A asked a great question. Oh God bless football is cadarious. Tony a great athlete who's just bad at football. He has some some drops that end up being interceptions. I would be very frustrated with him. If I were the Kansas City chiefs who are looking for someone to replace Tyree Kill and Eric the enemy and those receivers are not good enough. But, to God's, I wanted to ask you something based on the Monday night game. I was surprised this happened to me. I was moved by the relationship between Geno Smith and Drew Locke. The fact that Geno Smith was on the sidelines and very clearly happy in the middle of that noise that Drew Locke was

able to do something in his stead. Let's hear some of this sound from the post game interview where Drew Locke is clearly emotional, but this friendship is real and it was really cool to see these two share at, you know, under some adversity to share that they loving. Oh, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's the mark was a prop comment. Oh, me. And that was it.

All right, excellent. I can't wait to go to the Super Bowl. I'm sure nothing will go wrong. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, Don Lebertard, let to go to the Super Bowl. I'm sure nothing will go wrong Don Lebatard. Let's go to 80 Wow I think Billy typed an eight instead of a beat five it's a clear thing Stugats never

It's Chris Carter on the line, C.C. Go ahead. VCC Don LeBotar Show with his Tugats! Tugats, there is so much pressure in house. Everyone wants to go to Vegas for the Super Bowl. And based on that segment, which, again, I will tell you, Tony was just in a room next door. That should have been as easy a transaction as there is.

That's just, that is in football, that is taking the snap from center. And we cannot execute something very simple easily. I know, too, it's had a hard time to season with that. I was actually just gonna say, we're like Connor Williams, the dolphin center, even though he's out for the year. It's not a compliment.

We can't snap the ball, but once we do, we're dangerous. This is what I'm going to say, though. You know what? I overstated it. That, what we just did, was so 101 that it's simply breaking the huddle. It's not even executing anything with the ball. It's just getting from the huddle to the ball

without everyone colliding into each other and the clap being at the wrong time. I don't have faith in us being able to execute something from Las Vegas when you guys are all going to be partying. I'm going to look up and somebody's going to be stumbling in at five o'clock in the morning because there's just a general irresponsibility around here. It sounds like maybe four tech guys for everyone on a microphone sounds like the right number. I mean, the idea that we have to have two tech guys for every microphone and everyone here wants to go and be at a

microphone you have confidence does anyone here have confidence in our ability to execute that because the problem is we have to start planning now to got to if I want to be there if the dolphins are in the Super Bowl, but what is our confidence level right now in the dolphins being in the Super Bowl, especially if they have to do road games because if you're 10 and fours to got, you're supposed to be one of the best teams in the league. I've enjoyed. They are. I've enjoyed watching hard knocks.

Yes, they are. You got, but like Dallas, there's just a whole bunch of people that are pointing at the dolphins and saying, yeah, good, but not good enough to actually win all the games until the end. Like everyone will acknowledge, yes, the dolphins are good. But I rarely see these kinds of questions around teams like Dallas and Miami heading into this kind of game late in the season.

You don't have these games. So, got you just said, possible Super Bowl preview. These questions do not exist in the San Francisco Baltimore game. They just don't have these games. So, God, you just said possible super bowl preview. These questions do not exist in the San Francisco Baltimore game. They just don't. Dallas, Miami has more questions about, are those teams actually good? Then Baltimore San Francisco does. Well, it's funny because Dallas, they were great. They were the best team in the NFL after they beat Philadelphia. It went to Buffalo, got blown out there no longer the best team in the NFL. That's just the way it works in the NFL but I think all those concepts have question more. The only team that does it is probably the 49ers.

The 49ers do. Like Brock Perty needs to do it in the playoffs. Yeah, but the 49ers are the one consensus that everyone's like, this is a great team. The Ravens to less of an extent, right? Like people feel confident in the Ravens, but there's also the whole like, but do it in the playoffs because we haven't really seen it in the playoffs yet. And then like everyone else, like there's then that other tier that you can argue, which is the Eagles and the Cowboys are definitely in that tier. Ask Eagles fans. They think their teams a bunch of frauds. If you ask the Eagles fans, they're not confident in the Eagles at all. Dolphins are in that tier. The dolphins may be in that tier or maybe right underneath that tier, but like the

Cowboys, dolphins and Eagles right now are kind of all in that same question mark thing. And here's the thing, you said that this weekend's game between the Cowboys and the dolphins is a potential super bowl for you. I think that whoever wins that game will still get the question mark. But like, I thought other team is kind of fluky, so I don't know. Beat an actual good contender. Jim Nance said during the broadcast the other day, I could see this team in Vegas.

That's all I need to hear. The thing that I would say to you is different about Baltimore and San Francisco's due guts, because I know it's not just the playoffs. It's that Baltimore has three losses against teams. They've got, they lose in the division. They've got three losses against teams that aren't the elite teams in the sport. They lost to the cults, then. But even as we talk about the hyperventilation that goes week to week in the analysis where

Dallas can be Philadelphia and you're like, okay, they're one of the best. And then they go to Buffalo and you're like, what the hell was that? Buffalo, Baltimore, the chiefs, and the 49ers. Nobody drags them. When they lose, it's a surprise. Nobody beats them. The way Dallas gets beaten by Buffalo. The way Buffalo beat Miami 4820, doesn't happen to Buffalo.

And so my measurement for these things is, yeah, you might have a bad loss, the bills lost to the jets. But do you ever get swamped in a way Dallas did when it went to San Francisco where you're like, oh my God, that's exactly how they're gonna lose in the playoffs. They're gonna go do a road game

and they're just not gonna have the horses because they're gonna lose by 35 points because that team is clearly better than them. I know Cincinnati did that to San Francisco, but nobody does that to healthy San Francisco. Right. It's a fair point on Buffalo. It's a fair point on the really elite team on the Raven. Well, no, but relevant. No, but Buffalo is by a touchdown. Like the bills lose in the play. It doesn't matter if they lose by a field, or if they lose by 30, it's a loss. Right. No, but my point on that is just you don't get hit with frothy when you're always in the games when no one ever sees you get swamped by anybody so they can't make the assessment.

Look, what they just did to Dallas, Stugots, from week to week, they did it because they're like, oh, it's not just that Buffalo beat you. It's the manhandled Jew. They dragged you that the best teams to got's when the greatest show on turf lost to the Patriots in the Super Bowl, that team all year. No one could throttle them. There was no such thing. If you beat them, you were fortunate to beat them because football happened to them, but not because you could beat them by three touchdowns. Now, that's fair. The bill's worst loss

this year is a six point loss. So like to dance point, yeah, they never get blown out. They're also, if the season ended today, 18, that's not in the playoffs. That's right. That's crazy. But the bills game against the Bengals last year in the playoffs wasn't particularly close. That's true.

Yes. And it's why I was stunned by it. But still, yes, you can lose a playoff game one time. I'm just saying in your assessment, everyone is very willing to dismiss people as frauds. Like I saw a lot of people doing it to Philadelphia just because they lost in the most emotional fashion in a Seattle game. I do want to get to the sounds to gots because I don't have an investment in this. I have been making fun of the Seahawks since they had a quarterback competition between Drew Lock and Gino Smith.

When they started two years ago with that as their quarterback competition, I'm like, and that's the end of Pete Carroll and that's the end of the Seahawks and that's the end of whatever that dynasty was that they had. It's all over. And Seattle has been better than I've thought they were for two years. But what happened at the end of that game where Seattle is going crazy and Drew Locke ends up making the throw at the end, Stu got so that it produces this post game interview that was exceptional with Lisa Salters because you rarely see the

quarterback almost break down like this. And so what did it feel like to orchestrate this game winning draft tonight? Oh, amazing. We'll do it justice. Amazing. We'll do it justice. But amazing. Also doesn't do justice with the online, but DK did on that catch with the receivers

did what Ken Walker, Zach Charbonne did, all game long, the tight ends man. It takes a special group to rally around a guy that, you know, has come into a second game of the year, right? Used to the same thing all year long, same cadence, same spin of the ball, everything. But the team like that, not just the offense, the defense to rally around me tonight, man, that was, that was amazing. I hear some emotion in your voice. It's been a long time. It's been a long time. I'm just blessed. I'm just blessed. Bless to the great group of guys, a great city, great

coaching staff. It's just, it's awesome. It's a while. You hear all the times to God said Aaron Rogers is a bad guy because he's not mentoring his replacement. The thing that moved me is Seattle wins a game to sort of save its season, its playoff chances against what we believe to be a good team. Seattle is in a frenzy, the emotion of it after Drew Locke has made a 30 yard throw in the last 30 seconds of the game to win the game. The thing that made me emotional that surprised me is that Geno Smith is wearing over his face in the middle of that noise.

He is wearing garb that covers his face to keep him warm. But he is nodding at Drew Locke with what is so obviously pride and happiness for him that I'm like, that's really cool. The teammates would be able to share that when Geno Smith is the one who wants to be in that spot. Billy, what are you making faces about? He knows that's not good enough to be happy that his replacement's doing so well. Yeah, but he got paid, Billy. Gino Smith is 33 years old and he thought he was going to get back up forever. He got his opportunity.

So I am, he's a journeyman quarterback. Yeah. So I imagine he's happy for anyone in that situation, even his own teammate. Why? You think Gino's running the risk of losing his job? A lot of contracts are funny. Money disappears all the time. That is saying.

From Gino, I'm not super duper happy. I'm confused what the emotion is though. This is just a backup playing for a starter. I don't hear Eikenberg getting emotional for the dolphins when he fills in for Connor Williams at center. It's a little, I don't see the emotion in this. This is just a guy. He got an opportunity. This guy wants Gino Smith to get hurt. Now I realize why Billy never applauds me or never gives me any flowers when I do a good top five, when I do anything good, Billy's never there to help me. It's not Geno Smith.

This would be like if I walked out after a show where I'm filling in for my grind and I started weeping out there. I was just, you guys all helped me. It won't be today's show. Dan, can we put that on the pole, please? Is Drew Locke rooting for Geno Smith to get hurt? No, I feel bad. I even said it.

We don't have to put that one on the pole. But this is really cool. Like this is a guy who thought when he first came into the league that he was going to get a chance to be a starter, then felt like maybe he missed his opportunity was going to be Chad Henney backing up for the rest of his life. And we've seen, we've seen literally Seattle pay a mat Flynn who had one great game as a backup just based off the projection. So now this is a ton of money that might eventually come into Drew Locke and his family. By the way, married to Lewis's second cousin. So a lot of money

for Lewis. Wow. Drew Locke word association will always just be the young GZ, Jeff on the sideline of him rapping. But the billy's point, I guess you want him to act, you want Gino to act like Joe Burrow, because Joe Burrow is not cheering on Jake Browning. At all. Joe Burrow's been super good to Jake Browning. He gave him his suite to the rofer's family. He shouldn't do that.

Here is why Billy is wrong about his assessment of Tino Smith and Drew Locke. That's no fun. That's not how we do it in this business. Wait and see is David Samson's. If Gino Smith gets released, you're all going to look at me like, hmm, well, this is where, this is where though, Gino Smith can be happy behind the garb he was wearing over his face. He knows Drew Locke's not any good.

We all do. He's just at a moment. We all do. We've seen enough there. Gino is not threatened in any meaningful way. We thought that about Gino Smith and his defense. Yes, but I've seen Drew Lock play for that team and he doesn't look like Gino Smith. You just went from the cool parts of the emotions to shitting on Drew Locks within what three minutes. That's right. That's what I did. That's correct. Way to go, Billy. That is exactly what happened. And I'm telling you, it's a lot easier to love Drew Lock when you don't have to worry about him actually taking your job. This would be like Jeremy weeping after filling in for Kelly's sacco on the heat side.

I would. I would. I just get an opportunity. It's a it's a great point. Now, but it's a great, but I cannot believe that Billy turned you that quickly, Dan. Billy of all people. Well, because he's he's sitting here saying that he's he's right. Generally, the jobs are pretty interchangeable in that

sport, except when Dulac wants yours. I can't going to get it. I can't weep if I don't have a name or a face. I can't be gentle in that sport, except when Julac wants yours. He's not going to get it. I can't weep if I don't have a name or a face.