The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Your Favorite Meadowlark Duos

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

Jessica and Lucy are back with their Unnamed College Football Show formerly known as F*** G**** to discuss EVERYTHING from conference championship weekend, the College Football Playoff Committee's decision making, the upcoming bowl season, and more. Then, we check in with the Oddball crew of Amin and Charlotte! After Charlotte moderated a panel in a partnership between Allen Iverson, Dominic “The Surgeon" Ciambrone, Reebok, and Draft Kings, the crew has a celebration of all things Iverson and the way he loves the game despite being vilified for things that are mainstream in the league now. Plus, the duo plays a game of “Who’s Lying?” featuring Rasheed Wallace, Dwyane Wade, and Dirk Nowitzki. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're listening to Giraffe King's Network. Welcome to the big suite presented by Giraffe King. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries

that if they're just there, that hasn't happened to you guys. I've done it. And now here's the marching man to nowhere, that face and the habitual liar. Welcome back to another edition of The College Football Show that now Lucy has a name. And we can't tell you quite yet, but we'll tell you next week.

We have a tentative name we're working on artwork. It is not the name that you were keys last week. In fact, we finally agreed on the name, I think, to nip that bit in the bud, and the bookgirls is dead. Move it forward. Yeah, we never were the footgirls and we never will be the footgirls.

So we're gonna try out a new name next week, and probably we'll do it. Absolutely. Not for bookgirls, there's gonna be no feet involved. We don't have to worry about that. We're good. It was championship weekend. It was championship weekend.

Oh, sad. It's a weird, It was championship weekend. I was sad. It's a weird, like the end of the college football season, like everything happens so fast. It's like, there's conference champions. Coaches are getting fired and hired. People are entering the portal. It's recruiting season again. Like everything happens so fast

at the last two weeks of college football season. So we have a lot to talk about, but where do you want to start today? Where do I want to start? Why don't we start? Let's start with what sneaky best game in the weekend. You go out of the oven Georgia to Washington, Oregon was. That was that was a fun one. I watched that with Taylor.

Oh, Taylor, we had a fun time. Great time. He's a great coach. Yeah, we lean lean. I just work shoulder. So we had tacos. It was it had a fun time. Great time. He's a great coach I was so like, there's no way Oregon loses to Washington. Oregon is far away that he was very strong in this game. And then like Oregon, middle-late Lucy, they got some mojo back around the half

and in the third quarter, but it wasn't enough. Bonaix couldn't manifest it enough. The whole time, they were just with him on LaTaloo there and like Fowler was like, he's envisioning himself on this next drive. That's what he's doing. And then he never got the ball.

He never got the ball. And some poor camera guy had to sit there and squat and just film both legs like 10 minutes straight. Oh, there's a lot of bone X. It was a lot of bone X. I mean, I would have liked to see like, you know, maybe like Washington's players were doing at that time too. I don't know.

I thought that Dylan Johnson, who's the running back for Washington, has had a really strong second half of the season. And he was probably the MVP of the game, but like not, I think Michael Penning, ended up being the pectoral champion, Egypt MVP, but they have done a really good job balancing that huge passing attack with a very solid ground game. He ended up with 28 carries for 152 yards and two touchdowns. And when you come out and you score four touchdowns or four scores on your first five possessions, it's tough to overcome that. Even with a high

scoring offense like Oregon. So I thought that it was a really, really great game. I'm glad that the Pac-12 championship, like they played that awkward Friday night game, and the teams don't get a full week to prepare, and it's at a neutral site. It's in Las Vegas, which all the games are at a neutral site now, basically. But I was glad that it got a good atmosphere and a good send-off for the Pac-12 conference,

because, as we know, probably the last time a Pac-12 championship game will ever be played. I am embarrassed, but when I saw the picture of all the mascots together probably the last time a packed-well championship game will ever be played. I am embarrassed, but when I saw the picture of all the mascots together for the last time, I was like, I'm about to cry. I'm about to cry in this hotel room in Atlanta because of the mascot saying goodbye to each other. And they were all dancing and stuff.

They had to, like, little moments. I was like, oh my god, I can't believe it's ending. Except for that fucking tree. But the tree wasn't there. I don't think. I actually know the tree wasn't there. Yeah, but it was like camo. It was like in the mask. Except for that fucking tree. But the tree wasn't there. I don't believe it. I actually know the tree wasn't there. Yeah, but it was like camo.

It was like in the past. Yeah, it didn't look like the tree. It definitely like got on his weird vagus clothes, leaves, ornaments. Well, I hate the tree, but I also don't like Liberty. Just kidding, that was a bad segue. I love that one. Liberty won Conference USA in the championship game. They beat New Mexico State 49 to 35.

Look, he another game with the offensive explosion. That was one started a little bit before the Pac-12 game. So I caught some of it. But now Liberty undefeated in their first season with Jamie Chadwell. They continue to just like randomly have these incredible quarterbacks. Kaden Salter finished the season with 2,750 passing yards, 1,064 rushing yards, 31 touchdowns and five interceptions. That's a pretty solid stat line for them. I don't want to get too far into the floor to state stuff just because everyone

has been talking about it this week. And I know we've talked about it a lot on the main show, but I'm not a fan of this Liberty football team. And it's, it was very bothersome to me that the argument that applied to, or didn't apply to FSU applied to Liberty because they're playing Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl when I think SMU would have been a better choice out of the FI. They played a little bit of Liberty. They played a little bit of Liberty.

They played a little bit of Liberty. They didn't play one single team this year. They're strength and schedule. I believe 132 or 13 33 out of one 33. All right. I would win 12 games. All right. Like it's, I do.

So Jamie Chadwell who came from Coastal Carolina it's his first season at Liberty. He is like by all metrics a very good head coach. And the players at Liberty are very good. My beef with Liberty is more so their administration which I don't feel like I have to explain. But they're playing now in the festival against Oregon. I'm very interested to see what Liberty looks like against Oregon. I know that there is going to be so many opt-outs that it's not going to be quite the same Oregon team, but I have to imagine,

I don't know what the line is on this game. I have to imagine it's like two or three touchdowns. But yeah, I agree with you. SMU played, they lost their two games against TCU and Oklahoma, which were their two power five teams that they played this season, but they beat Tulane in the championship game of the American, the last SMU American conference game because now they're joining the ACC. But they looked very impressive. And Tulane, I think was a, I can't remember, they were a favorite in the game, but now Tulane's had coach Willie Fritz kind of skipping forward here to the American championship conference championship. But Willie Fritz is going to Houston, which is really sad for Tulane because he was very successful there. They won a New Year's six ball game last year with him. They've been

ranked the last two seasons pretty high. They lost their conference championship game right as the news was leaking that he had officially accepted the job, which stinks timing wise. But I'm with you. I thought that overall, I would have liked to see either of those teams in that near six game. And I thought that when the committee was like, all liberty did this season was win. I was like, that's interesting because you know who else won all their games this season? Or the stage of that. Weird.

Interesting. Yeah. It's so good and weird. The one thing we know for sure, Bonaix playing in the game, he's not saying goodbye to college until he absolutely has to, until the very end. Yeah.

So as long as Bonaix playing, I have a lot of faith that we're just gonna win this game and get a win pretty big. Yeah, maybe more talent. We should do like a little bowl preview. We should. I love bowl season. We've, I mean, it's been said,

but bowl season is really the best time of year. The best. It rules so hard, and I don't care. I don't, like, my thing with the opt-outs, I was actually talking to Jeremy about this earlier in the week. Like, even with the opt-outs, it's a really nice moment to sort of see, hey, here's what you've got coming next year.

Yeah, it's like a little good preseason game. I agree. I think it's a more of an indication of like, it's like you get to play a second spring game, but it's against another team. It's really nice. The only thing that I think I would change about bowl season, maybe your bowl winner-loss shouldn't count towards that year's record. Maybe in the future, we will just not count that at all because it is really tough to

feel the team, especially if you have a bunch of guys going into the portal or opting out for the NFL to have 15 practices, right? And a lot of times, Oregon State is going to be playing with their third string quarterback in their bowl game against Notre Dame. I don't know if that should count against a head coach. Like there, there are new head coach that just got promoted into that position. You don't want to have your coaching records start out. Oh, and one when you're going into the next season, it just feels a little unfair for the coaches and the players, but it also like it doesn't, it's one game, so it doesn't really

matter that much. But yeah, how will the big 12 be able to be like, we beat all these SEC teams, we're the best conference at football, if we're not counting the games. Or you see, well, they're in the big 12 now, so they're in the big 12. Speaking of which, Texas beat the crap out of Oklahoma State. Kind of figured that would happen.

That game was about, that game was over. I can't talk today. There's construction going on, that's not the reason I can't talk today. There's construction going on. That's not the reason I can't. I can't talk. But it doesn't help. There's like a drill and sometimes like the drill, just it feels like the drill's going into your brain.

Yeah. Because it just happens and it's so loud and it's like so deep. And the legs are bright in here. We're in, you know, the better now. We watched the Big Ten Championship game this week. I just haven't been doing well for several days now. But this game was over in the first quarter, right?

Yeah, this game was over pretty much right away. Texas is way more talented. Texas deserves a spot in the playoff. Like this kind of felt pretty natural. There's also weird stuff with Oklahoma State killing a longhorn before. Like all the vibes are really off for this one. I didn't read that story, but I saw a headline,

and I need to look into that, because it sounded horrible. I don't think it even had anything to do with the Big 12 Championship game. I think it was like, frat drama. Oh, god. I don't know if that's accurate, but the vibes were off for this one,

but it pretty much played out exactly how I expected it to. Yeah, Texas finished the season, blowing out their last two opponents, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State, 106 to 28. Do you feel like Texas had to put some style points on in this game or do you think they would have been in no matter what? Like if the game ended up being like 49 to 48, do you think they still are in the playoff? I think if Alabama had won, yes.

So like going in with the notion that let's, we know Alabama is going to be Georgia than yes, I think they would have been in, but had Georgia beat Alabama and it had been a closer game, I wouldn't necessarily say that was the case, but part of the reason the committee said they faulted Florida State is because they played a close game against Louisville and they couldn't score move at all. I thought it was nice that Jonathan Brooks got the final snap of the game.

Classy by Sark. Classy. But you're injured running back in there. Do a little, little neat victory formation. I don't know if you caught any of the Mac championship, but it's not. Oh, it was, it was a really good game. Chuck Martin wins his second Mac championship. He's been at Miami-Vo'hio a long time. Happy for him. They've got a great, they've got, I think the number one special team in the country, but I don't know. Iowa might have might be coming for them because of Troy Taylor. Yeah, we had a rough weekend again, smish again, not punting wise.

We did so good. Don't worry about that. Yeah, it's, I didn't get a chance to catch a lot of these games. SEC Championship took up most of my time, but I'm glad it did. Awesome game. It was awesome.

What was it like being there? Because like I, like we mentioned, like a lot of these games are at neutral sites. And so the tailgating scene, I've tailgated at Mercedes Benz a few times for SEC games and it's weird. It feels like an NFL tailgate. So it was not, would you rather this be at Georgia?

Oh, absolutely. I mean, the games in Atlanta, so when you're looking fans wise, obviously there was a big ton of... It's a strep and say, yeah obviously there was a big tons of... There was a ton of Georgia fans there. Yeah, that game really sucked. I kind of wish not sucked like in the actual game. The game was great, but just like, Abys here was.

Oh my god, was that so? I mean, Game Day was like in a... Yeah, the indoor convention center. So it was forecasted to like have heavy rain. It ended up not raining at all. So everything got moved inside to the convention center. So game day had like 16 people there. Yeah.

Oh, this isn't maybe the best look. It was just not like I've always been to be like college football. It didn't really feel like college football. I've always been like a huge proponent, especially now that we're explaining the playoff that there needs to be a way to get more of these games at home. Yeah. Whether like if you're a higher seed, I know you get a buy, but like why not have a home game as well?

It's great for the school, it's great for the sports, great for the fans, whatever. But yeah, the vibes were off. It didn't really matter though. Game was great. It was super fun. So much fun.

Oh my God, was that game electric. Like there was a buy like the third corner. I was like, I was gonna win this, like there was like not a doubt in my mind. The vibes were off. The vibes were off. And I said, okay. I was gonna win this, so like, there was like not a doubt in my mind. The vibes were off. The vibes were off. And I said, okay, I was gonna win this game.

Absolutely impressive. Like this might be Nick Saban's most impressive season so far at Bama, just considering the way they started. And like, you were tied in half against UCF and you didn't have an offensive line. You didn't have a quarterback. And your quarterback could have very well into the year as a Heisman finalist,

just with the way he finished the season off. I was surprised he wasn't, I thought he was gonna be made to be. Because like he got benched and like the third game and like the Heisman voters really favor people that don't get benched. Yeah. Like the voters favor like consistency throughout the season.

I feel like someone like Milro who started out and like struggled a lot and then improved tremendously by the end of the season, I feel like someone like Milro who started out and struggled a lot and then improved tremendously by the end of the season. Like you prefer to favor someone like Jane Daniels who started out the season really strong or Bonyx or Michael Pennix, start out the season really strong and just have a dominant season. I get that, I'm not a voter, so I don't really totally understand

what the mindset is or what the criteria is there, but I'm with you. He has been playing so much better and Alabama just as a whole, like, they terrify me. I, if I were, I totally get Michigan players reacting to them being put in the playoff and being like, ah, no! Because I think that would have been my reaction to,

like if Notre Dame had somehow made the playoff this season and I was like, we gotta play Alabama again. After we saw them suck at the beginning of the year, like I wrote them off in week three, well, I didn't, because I never write off next season. I did. Don Lebertard, all of us who were watching college football

elevated everything the weekend was because we missed football in general so very much. You didn't watch the ending of you, Tepp Jacksonville State. It was awesome. A dizzy boom. Mm-hmm. Stugats. It's such a lame for you.

Just everything in college football is awesome. Any single thing that happens, she gets deliriously happy about- Don't you miss viewing sports through that, that prism though. Like I'm envious of Lucy. Like I wish that I could still be happy. This is the Don Lebatar show with a stugat. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Let me wait for that to the big touch, yeah.

These are real love stuff here, that's how we were going to transition. Um, here's my take. Here's my take. Committee came out and they were like, we decided not to let Florida stay in after watching them struggle to get a first down. Again, slow-able, struggle to score. The score of the Michigan game is not necessarily the full picture.

Michigan had a real tough time moving the ball against Iowa, which everyone does. They have an elite defense. Half of Michigan's points, more than half Michigan's points were Iowa being like, we don't really know what a problem is. Here you go. It was one of those things were like, I was very impressed with, I was done by 10 and a half, so impressed with that. Yeah, it sucked. It always sucks. Iowa's offense is terrible. If we had the 90th best offense in the country, I don't even need top 50. I don't even need top 75. I just need less than 100.

I believe I would could have won that game. And I'm not saying that ironically because Michigan, if you actually watch, their offense did not look good. They had their worst offensive performance of the year against Iowa. They have struggled a lot the last three games, but they've also been playing some really tough defenses,

including Iowa's, as much as we make fun of Iowa's offense, which finished 127th and S&P Plus, which is Bill Connelly's metric for measuring better than I thought. A lot better than I thought. I think that's a jump up. Yeah, I mean, there weren't 133.

So, just pretty good. But yeah, Blake Corm is only averaging four yards or fewer per carry in six of the last seven games. That's according to ESPN. But you have to consider that they're playing Penn State or Ohio State and now Iowa in three of those games. So maybe they're partially, it's like, okay, they might not see a defense that tough in the playoff.

Although now we know they will because Alton was got a very good defense. But maybe they're saving something up. Like they're not having to do that much on offense to win, so maybe we keep some tricks in the bag. I don't really know if that's like a thing that offense of coordinator to actually do, but it is something that everyone says every year. Yeah.

Well, we were waiting for Brian Ferenc to do that for his final game. They're like, he'll be in his bag for this one. And then he was like, absolutely not. That's the thing. After watching that Iowa game and knowing that man, if Iowa had an offense that just wasn't the worst thing I've ever seen, they really could have won that game. It made me lose pretty much all confidence in Michigan, especially saying now that they got that Alabama matchup because Alabama's defense is phenomenal.

I want to say it's good as I was because we know very good, but Alabama's defense has been the one thing that sees in that. I don't think people have doubted it. Yeah, no, it is set. It's Iowa doesn't have Jalen Miro. I would just not have the talent that Alabama has on the offensive side of the ball. Like, I just, I don't know what it is

about this Michigan team. There's something in me that doesn't trust them. And maybe it's because they're dirty cheaters. Maybe that's it. Maybe that's why I don't trust them. But that was just them either. Yeah. I will end it up 109 points short of averaging 25 points per game,

which was the threshold if Brian Farons hadn't already been let go by the athletic director. So he wore Iowa stuff to this game, finally. So you just needed pride. He just needed like six more games. He just needed, it was pretty impressive. Not scoring a single point when our point total at half was like half a point. Yeah.

That's awesome. I love that people were like, wow, can you believe it was point five. I was like, please. Yeah, have you? Because of Lucy, I've been watching so much Iowa all season. We know. Nothing surprised me less. We need to take a minute because the level of anger I felt in my hotel room, watching

college game day, watching them all pick Iowa to win. Lee of course, I've been like, that's my upset pick. Give me Iowa. Theo Vaughn, Pat McAfee, all like, yeah, Iowa. Get out of here, oh god. I was furious and then everyone was like, they can do it, they can do it. And they've not been listening to lose

in literally number 24 big game Boomer. That's why the football personality. I was ahead of the list of McAfee. Well, game boomer. That's why the football personality. I was ahead of the list of McAfee. Well, that's why. That's why. Yeah, I was furious. That game sucked, but I lost a lot of faith in Michigan because of that game because I had their way.

I had their way defensively. And if we wouldn't have turned the ball over inside the 10 yard line like 17 times, we probably could have kept it a little bit closer. Yeah. Alabama's got the A-thring defense in college football, according to S&P plus Bill Connolly. You should check out his work on ESPN. Taylor, what is your Iowa stat?

If you bet $100 on the Iowa under and rolled it over every week since the Purdue game, you'd have $23,000 right now. They haven't hired an offensive coordinator yet, but the name I keep seeing on Twitter, which is all Twitter rumors, as Paul Criss from Wisconsin. We're keeping that undergone. We're keeping the underline. That's awesome.

Oh, man. Okay, ACC Championship game. I mean, I think we've already talked enough about Florida State this week in general, but I will reiterate, their defense looked very good. Good. Both offenses struggled a ton in this game. Not too wrong with that.

Both are both very good defenses, but both offenses were, ooh, Louisville finished zero with, in the zero with percentile in EPA and in yards per play. That's tough. But they end up having, I think, a really solid season. I wondered all year, like, is Louisville really that good? I think they were like very solid first year with Jeff Brahms. They finished 10 and three playing for a Commerce Championship game.

That's a very good season for Louisville. And I think there's only positive forward steps you can take from here for the program. Yeah, absolutely. They're hitting the Trans-Raportal market already. I have a lot of faith in Jeff Brahms being at Louisville. I think there's only positive forward steps you can take from here for the program. Yeah, absolutely. They're hidden the transfer portal market already. I have a lot of faith in Jeff Braun being at Louisville. It doesn't seem like that much up of a step,

like job wise from Purdue, but I think it actually is. I think you have more access to talent. I think you have more money. I think especially when it's like your alma mater, it's all the same. It's all the same. It blocks things that maybe you aren't able to access

when you're coming in from the outside. Yeah, 100% that really hit a rhythm. The little team, any team that loses to Pitt, I have to sit and I have to think about for a little bit. I have to save some time to reflect. That's tough. But you kind of wish Louisville was better because Louisville was better than Florida State would have

won. Also, probably, yeah. One quick thing, I'm doing my best for now, it's a little evil. I'm doing it. Lovable. You're doing a good job. I'm doing my very best, okay? I'm trying, I sit in the mirror every day,

and just go, loval, loval, loval. So we agree what happened to Florida State was unfair. Oh, that sucks. That really sucks. Yeah, but there's nothing you can do about it. And I'm not gonna say it was the right call. I'm not gonna say it was the wrong call. It was the crappy sh**. Oh, it's I'm but there's nothing you can do about it and I'm not gonna say it was the right call I'm not gonna say it was the wrong call. It was the crappy She's now it was as my friend said it was the wrong moral choice

Yeah, it was when Florida states on the right side of morals. You know you've you've messed something They've made Florida states so sympathetic to the people the just the call it like no one No one I know is a Florida state fan and yet I have like felt myself just thinking like, man, I feel bad for Bud Elliott today. He's having a tough one. My dad's friend Keith Daily, man. It's really, it's really, it's really Keith. Oh, man.

Well, there's been a lot of other stuff going on right now in college football. We've got the playoffs coming up. We've got bull season starting next weekend. But also there's like 500 quarterbacks in the portal. There's like a thousand other players in the portal. We've got Riley Leonard deciding where to go. Looks like he might go to Notre Dame,

DJO Yunglele, Tyler Van Dyke, Will Howard, Dylan Gabriel, Cam Ward, Dante Moore. Look, I think he already agreed to go to Michigan. I think that's confirmed. Kyle McCord, Ohio State's quarterback is in the portal. Kind of didn't expect that one. Didn't see that one not prepared for that one. It seems like there's been a lot of ex McCord Ohio State's quarterback is in the portal. Kind of didn't expect that one didn't see that one. Not prepared for that one. It seems like there's been a lot of Exodus from Ohio State.

Yeah. Last few days. I saw that you're used to Ohio State guys don't or big name Ohio State guys don't tend to end up in the portal ever. I saw that. You know how everyone was like meaming Ryan Dave when he's like, I want to know where Lou Holtz is right now. I saw someone make a meme of that where it's like, I wanna know where my players are right now.

And I don't know. That one tickled me. That's funny. Cause like, you can't find them, cause they're in the portal. But I don't know. I feel like you're a Ohio state. You'll probably be fine.

Oh my grind always talks about how their collective has issues. So I started my start machine, they just rotate them all through. I'm not worried about it, but I think it's interesting, because I don't remember something to look at. Yeah, watch the space. I don't remember ever seeing this many Ohio state guys in the portal and I could be wrong there

But it's also the time now where it feels like everyone's in the world all the time Yeah, most of them will end up staying where they are like that's just how it works There's also like it everyone puts their name in within like the same three or four days or like announces They're gonna put their name in so it feels like there's so much attrition and then you look at how many players are actually in a roster and how many are coming in and from the next recruiting cycle, you're like, okay, like someone this is just the normal

like ebb and flow of making a roster with the correct number of people in it. And some position groups might be heavy and some might be light, so you have to adjust for that. I mean, it's all the balance that head coaches have to find now. There was also news that Texas and Oklahoma agreed to extend their rivalry at the cotton bowl through 2036. I'm not a huge neutral site location,

girly, after this year, it's something I've learned except for this game. That the cotton bowl, Texas Oklahoma there is one of the coolest football venues games you'll ever go to in your life. If you guys ever have the chance, if you're in Dallas, go to the stay fair, check out the cotton bowl. I also saw that Oregon, state and Oregon, Civil War is continuing. Thank God, and I believe the Apple Cup is as well. That sometimes I say, and I'm like, oh, football is dead, and

nothing's ever gonna be the same again. That, oh man, did I need to hear that? I'm so happy that rivalry is continuing. You see it a lot with teams that have rivalries or rivals that aren't in the same conference Florida, Florida stage, Georgia Georgia Tech. They can continue it, Washington, Oregon. I just wish Oklahoma way, get off their little high horse, their little high boomer sooner, and play Oklahoma State. Just do it. Just do it.

You win most of the time anyways. There was also news that the NCAA has a new plan for like the top D1 schools to pay athletes through a trust fund. I feel like we'll talk about that at a later date because that is all very like nebulous right now. But I think the good news is like the NCAA's finally like, okay, maybe we should actually like be proactive in some of this.

The bad news is I don't trust them to do anything. You lost me to NCAA. Yeah, well, they normally don't even have that. So normally their plan is like, big Congress to do, to make bipartisan legislation, which doesn't really happen ever. Manny Diaz, former Miami head coach, accepted the, or is it the favorite to accept the Duke football head coaching job? Texas A&M, higher Kansas states, very, very impressive offensive coordinator to go there. They're going to have Mike Alco as their head coach who's a great decordinator and Colin Klein who is the offensive coordinator.

Kind of kind of scary because those are both good hires in my family. It's something that's going on with Kansas State right now. I'm in the Kansas State to be here for some reason and things are falling. Things are falling apart there. That's a great hire. I was shocked. He left. So Texas and I have something cooking because Colin Klein was like Mr. Football. I can't at Kansas State. He was a Heisman finalist like. I'm shocked. He left. But yeah. So we'll we'll be back back with our new name for our segment next week. Lucy, as always, this has been fun. Have fun at Army Navy. Thank you. I'm so excited.

If you're gonna be there, let me know. Where? And what's your up to? And roll tide. Side. I hope you enjoyed Lucy and my segment that will be named next week. Big name reveal coming up. We got you covered on all things college football, but now we are going to no foot, no foot Tony, no foot, no, now we're going to send it over to Charlotte and Amine with odd ball. They have an ode to Alan Iverson and a game of who's lying. Stugats is always lying, but it has quotes from Rashid Wallace, Dwayne Wade and Dirk Nvitsky.

All right, Charlotte, while the last night at a draft Kings event for an exclusive set of clientele, you moderated, I guess it wasn't even a panel. It was just one on one, you and Alan Iverson, right? And Dom Chambrony, who is the surgeon who makes custom sneakers for everyone like Drake, Justin Bieber. He made those wing shoes. He also made Odell Beckham, Jr.s cleats for the Super Bowl in 2021, which it worked

$200,000 because they had real diamonds on them. He's more of a, it's like sculptures, more than shoes. And it was a partnership with Reebok, Alan Iverson, the surgeon, and draft kings to put out these shoes they call the day one, based on the original, the question, shoes, that Al and Iverson had. And so I was talking to both of them about these shoes and my favorite moment, first of all, Al and Iverson was lovely. He also told me I'm funny, so now he's officially my favorite player ever.

That's all that I really took away from the event. But I was, I asked, I said, you know, you obviously have done so much for basketball, for the culture of basketball, for fans and players, and you know, how have you seen that evolve in the past 10 to 15 years? And instead of answering the question, well, I guess he didn't answer the question, but into the mic, he just went,

basketball is love, basketball is went, basketball is love. Basketball is life. Basketball is family. And just sort of kept listing the things that basketball is and felt and like meant it so deeply. Like he was, he was almost emotional saying it and it was just such a beautiful answer in a way that could have just sounded like platitudes, but also this guy believes it because it's who he is and it's what he loves and it's what he cares about that there's no way to

even answer that question. And so he just said what it is. And I thought that was really cool, actually. Yeah, it's it is cool. You know, when I think about Alan Iverson, everything that he was vilified for has become super mainstream, right? There was a point in time, Charlotte. And for the younger viewers, you got this might blow your mind. There's a point in time where the concept of having a visible tattoo was, oh, heaven forbid, how will we sell to the sponsors? And now you go into big multi-million dollar meetings and like the dude leading the meeting has a net tattoo, right? Alan Iverson was villainized and vilified for a lot of these things and now they're all so mainstream, we're hardly bad

at an eye at the concept of seeing people do these things whatever. And I always say, you know, there's certain class of human being, only there's a class of a class of human being, where I have great admiration because they have every right to be bitter and to hate like everything like, oh, now it's cool, but and it's the opposite. So, on Arbisson, once like public enemy number one, you know, they made the dress code because of him. They made all of these things because of him.

And fast forward, not only is all the things that he does, that's mainstream now, but also all of these players who are like, yeah, I grew up in Allen Iverson with my favorite player and you know, you have picture Chris South's porosingers with corn rows and a headband. Like that's not, that's not an accident, ladies and gentlemen. That's Allen Iverson. And he should be be like you guys are what you are because of me and that's some BS and instead he's always gracious, he's always humble, he's always spreading a message of love and appreciation for the game and most importantly, unlike many other retired players, he always gives props to the current crop of players. He always gives props to the current crop of players. I remember my buddy,

Carrie Chow interviewed him, Shaq and Yao at the Hall of Fame. And the question came up, how much would you average if you played in today's game? And I ever sent to a second and he was like, I don't know, maybe the same, maybe a little less. And Shaq lost his mind. What are you talking about? You'll be average a 50 and an Iverson is like, are you kidding? Everyone is like six nine and they move as quick as I do. It's like this game is so hard now. And that's something you never hear from retired players. So I'm that story. I'm glad you told that story because it continues to reinforce it. I did it. This dude is super humble and appreciative to the game of basketball. And I think we need to celebrate him

every opportunity we get. Totally, and beyond that, I mean, he said last night how grateful he was to the game. He said, I'm so grateful to everyone who helped me get here. I'm grateful to the people I played with to my family, to my friends, to the league. Like he, the league now makes so much money off of what he pioneered. They lean in with the marketing.

He really is not. Yeah, exactly. Like all of it. He was, he was that and he was punished for it publicly and privately. And then now to see that, he, he doesn't have that bitterness. He's just like, this is amazing. I love this. I love what everybody's doing.

And I think that that shows a real sense of strength too. He's always known who he is. He clearly still knows who he is. He's confident in that in a way that it doesn't seem like he needs validation. And if you don't need validation in that way, you're probably gonna be a happier person. I don't know, it was really cool though.

And he was lovely. And I'll just say once again, he told me it was funny. So. No, it's dope that they had that event shout out to Draft King, shout out to everybody who put that together. All right, coming up, who's lying? Okay, I mean, it's time for my favorite game.

Another rousing rendition of who's lying. Are you ready? I'm ready. Okay, we're going to start with Rashid Wallace, who explained why he would take seven NBA titles over $300 million. Why are you laughing already? Because Rashid Wallace's famous quote is ball don't lie.

So ball don't lie, but we'll see if she will. See how it goes. Well, will he? OK, so he said, I can't tell you everything that was said in this conversation with Chonsey Phillips. I'm paraphrasing here. But short story note, for me, I got to get that ring. The bread is going to come with the ring.

The bread's going to come with the ring long term. Now, it might not be, it might not amount to as much. So let's say, as you mentioned, for example, the $300 million contract, right? Okay. I might not be able to make $300 million in that $7, 8, 9 years or however long that contract is. Again, but I'm immortalized. Is he lying? I'll never call Rishi Wallace a liar. He's one of the most honest people that I know. But I will say Rid is speaking from a place of extreme privilege, right?

Extreme privilege because Rashid made over $150 million in his career. So he's not talking about someone who's broke or someone who's on minimum, hey, here's 300 million or here's a ring. He's talking as someone who's been pretty wealthy, but then the other part of it is he also won a ring. So he's's talking as someone who's been pretty wealthy, but then the other part of it is he also want a ring. So he's not talking as someone is like, I've never won one of those things. I give him all of my money for just one ring.

Like he's got both. So there's a level of privilege there that I believe in when he says that, but he can He can say that because he knows like, okay, I wouldn't trade in my ring for another 300 million because I'm already got 150 million in a bag. Yeah, right. But she was a superstar or was a superstar when he played. So the ring, the validation and the money that comes with it applies to him in a way that it doesn't really apply to everybody. Dwayne Wade names Ray Allen and Rip Hamilton as the toughest players he had to guard.

Quote, I always go with guys like Ray Allen and Rip. They moved. I hated that. I hated guarding those dudes, especially Rip because he had to guard quote I always go with guys like Ray Allen and Rip they moved I hated that I hated guarding those dudes especially Rick because he had them nails too. So a couple of things here he's he's telling a very specific truth right. Okay. The hardest players that I had to guard like I didn't have the guard check I didn't have the guard LeBron right. So I think he's telling the truth in that regard. He did have the guard Kobe though, but I I think he's telling the truth in that regard. He did have the guard

Kobe though, but I understand what he's saying. I think when you have a player who catches the ball from a stationary position and then does stuff, it's hard. You've got to be quick. You got to anticipate you do all these things. But as a mental exercise, it's less strenuous than the guy who's moving around without the ball. The guy who's moving around without the ball, you have to worry about where he is at all times and worry about where the ball is and worry about all these screens and things like that.

It's, it's a nonstop kind of mental exercise along with the physical cardio of running. Rip Hamilton, Ray Allen, these are two of the, some of the best conditioned players ever. Like, and they took pride in the fact that we're gonna run miles today. Miles, we're doing miles of running around these screens. Also, Rip Hamilton apparently grew his nails out extra long and when we're stationary waiting for the plate to start waiting for the, he would grab your arm

and dig his nails into your arm. Yes. That's gross. Like that's gross and weird and crazy. And crazy. Like, yeah, it's also like an infectious disease control violations. So that's what he meant by. Okay.

So literally he had nails. Like, yeah, he's like, I'd rather. I'd rather just guard Kobe. I'd rather just have Kobe. I agree. I would rather guard one of the greatest players of all time than somebody who had long nails. That's gross. Okay. Moving on. Was Dirk Novitsky lying when he said he doubted Lucas ability to become

a superstar. He went on metal-lark medias, all the smoke podcast. And he said, the end of my career wasn't pretty. We were struggling. There was some talk of tanking. We needed a little spark plug to change things. I didn't think it was going to be this kid. He's talking about Donchurch. When he walked in the first time,

he looked like a big boy, but I'm like, I'm not sure this is gonna work. Is he quick enough? Is he athletic enough to go by guys like he is in Europe? So there were plenty of doubts there from everybody on the team. And now Dirk and Luca overlapped in one season 2018 to 2019. There's there's seen I don't know if he's going to be a superstar and I don't think he's going to be good. Right. Right. What Dirk is espousing there was the common concern from

people like all he's doing all this stuff in Europe but like can you get away with that here right given that the athleticism is greater in the NBA so that's not the first time I've ever heard someone say that obviously now it sounds really foolish. The other thing that's funny is he talks about yeah guys try to get into him and get physical with them and practice try to see try to push him see like where his limits are. And I was laughed at NBA players when European players come over and say, oh, we're going to show them how physical it is here. The international game is a million times more physical than the NBA game. Once upon a time, it was the opposite, right?

In the 90s and the 2000s, we were the physical league. There was a lot of holding and grabbing and shoving and chicken-winging and and all these things and over there They played this kind of fluid game, but over time as we've legislated all of the shenanigans out of our game They still do those things not to the extent that we did in the 2000s But a great deal more than here so you can't physically Intimidate these guys anymore. You could still be more explosive and faster and all those things. But the idea that I'm going to rough them up like, nothing going to move them, right? So it's dark lying. I'm going to say no, he's not lying, but I'm going to say he clearly was very poorly

misinformed. The kid was the MVP of the early to at 18. You know what today's episode of who's lying is? It's not who's lying. It's who was just wrong. Yeah, they're wrong. That's it. Pretty much everybody. They were just wrong. Everyone was just wrong. And that's fine. I'm wrong all the time, everybody. Um, all right. Well, I can't wait. You see, okay.

Goodbye. That's it for us at all, ball. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. Alright well I can't wait. You sit. Okay. Goodbye. That's it for us at all ball.

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