The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Big Suey: Zaslow's Source

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

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Draft Kings, the crown is yours. Before I get to one of the rarest of things ever seen around here, the righteous Roy rage, because we have converted, and I think this might just be Jeremy that converted it, But I don't think I've ever seen Roy this impassioned about feeling wronged around sports because he keeps going back to 2000. He keeps going back to a scar from 25 years ago when Miami was argued out of a championship back then in a way that was clearly unreasonable to anybody who's ever watched football. And it's also important to point out as well, Roy, not just that they didn't qualify for the game, but the team that made it ahead of them scored two points in the championship. It's ridiculous.

Now, granted, yes, they lost Washington, who was 15th ranked, right? But they worked their way back up the seventh in the AP poll. It was the first game of the year, Washington. Second. Oh, the first game of the year shouldn't have crazy relevance, Zaslow? Hmm. The loss in the first week of the season shouldn't be carrying weight at the end of the year? How interesting how your argument changes 25 years later when your program is benefiting from it.

Roy, he's talking to you. We can't shut him up. I'm with Roy. He's changed. That was a rough year. Remember, Oregon also beat Washington. So they also had like a weird head-to-head argument. Oh, forget about that.

The argument's Miami and FSU. Yeah, Miami was ranked number two in all the polls, but the BCS had Miami behind FSU, who Miami beat earlier in that year. The game, the national title game was the Orange Bowl, if you remember. 13 to 2. Yeah. What a disgrace. Man, that was a, Miami would have rolled that Oklahoma team.

They would have. They absolutely would have. They killed them. And they beat number two Virginia Tech. Okay, look. I have found it interesting, okay? I really have found this interesting what we're about to talk about because Lane Kiffin is the greatest of the used car salesman

who has realized through the bowels of what Nick Saban built, oh, we're going to dilute all this shit so much that what used to be one loss kills you. One loss kills you so that we still remember 20 years later. Oh, right. Dorsey went up to Washington and lost on the road in the second game of the season. And otherwise, Miami's unbeaten, right? But unbeaten doesn't matter anymore.

Like, that's ridiculous. Ohio State and Indiana are going to play, and all that unbeaten gets them is a buy, which isn't, it's not nothing, but it's still not much considering what the stakes of that game would be. And this is the best Indiana team we've ever seen, right? Like this is the top of the sport can now be run by grifter Lane Kiffin being most griftery because he does not care about whatever you think the sanctuary of sports are.

It's a business venture, and if you told him when he got to Mississippi, day he signed, hey, Lane, you're going to be able to springboard this into the LSU job. He would have said, yep, can we speed it up? Can we make that faster? Because I'm only here to get there. I'm only here. Like, this is as cutthroat as any we've seen in terms of cutting through the bullshit of what the bureaucracy of this machine is, the economy of it.

Lane Kiffitt ruled it just because Florida wanted something, and LSU said, now, we've been embarrassed. enough by Brian Kelly and this. We're going to fix it right now with 13 and 25 for his career against ranked teams. That has never had expectations. Lane Kiffin, like not in college sports, because what Lane, the burning path that Lane Kiffin has built to this rehabilitation is staggering, where it's like, yep, $12 million a year, I'll take whatever job I want, I won't recruit. It's just for play call it. Get me the athletes. I'll call the plays and I'll do something here that field surgical because I did it with small players at FAU and I could take it anywhere.

And Mississippi, I don't care about you. Yeah, I'll do the whole Marty Smith dance in a barn or field. But Lane Kiffin was always Boca. Lane Kiffin was never Mississippi. Lane Kiffin went to Mississippi just so that he could get back to something that felt more like Boca. Can I get to the Tampa Bay Bucks head coaching job? Can I get back to Florida? But how different is Baton Rouge? That's, Baton Rouge is, it's different than Mississippi. Look, Mississippi, Mississippi is the poorest. Mississippi in our country. Has a lot of poverty that you feel everywhere,

and the fact that he's won by what he was calling a Brown Lake to rehabilitate himself so that he could get to the point where he could choose between LSU and Florida, and Florida could get its SEC feelings hurt because LSU big boydom. LSU after embarrassing themselves in the Brian Kelly sweepstakes, They want to play at the top of the sport, and they're willing to give the job to, just call the plays. Like, we don't care what else you do.

Just call the plays for our athletes because we've got the athletes to beat Oklahoma on the road. And we feel like we can win with less miles and we can win with Ed Orgeron. And we're LSU. We deserve to be at the top of this conference. To see the business of this play out over the weekend, it was greasy, it was gross, and it's the truest thing you'll ever see. like it's lane kiffin cut through the swamp of this just to get to baton ruse and then the next job he hopes will be whatever the professional one is when he gets to be a genius because everybody wants him to be the next sabin at what point when he was praying on what decision to make did he realize i should also threaten my coaching staff they have to come with me now or never come at all i don't know how real that part was i mean clearly a lot of the coaches the praying part well i about the threat More so the implications, as it might have been implied, but the entire offensive staff appears to be on that plane with Lane to Baton Rouge.

Can I go down this path, please, because Zaz, I know that you've been close to this, close to college football. You've done some reporting. You were the first to report. I reported over a week ago on ESPN radio. No one seems to give me that hat tip. Yeah, that's incredible. You're not getting credit for reporting this accurately. Wait a minute. That's amazing. You. Okay, so he did report, though, on ESPN. Lane Kiffin was going to LSU. But Mike Ryan has also learned a great deal about the business of this and was texting both me and... You're on the come up, Mike.

I'll admit. Thank you. Me and Zaz all weekend. Before the news broke, Mike Ryan knows the people who were talking about the things that would sort of give him information around Lane Kiffin that I believe he has that no one else would have, just because Mike's sort of looking at all of this interested in the business of it, but also with some journalistic. standards of his own and so the information he's giving you. Why are you asking that as a question? Because he wanted me to confirm. I can confirm. We kicked everybody's

ass on a lane story. We were a week. We were a week ahead of everything. We were telling you who was faking it, what was posturing we were told you, we were telling you what was going to happen. And then we learned who doesn't have any journalistic integrity because I didn't see any of them credit me. So I'll get back to

that. I don't like this a bit. No, Zazzo, well, it's not a bit. The one where he texts me, what's going to happen and then takes credit for it? I don't like it. I don't know what you're talking about. Don't worry about how I get my information. You know what? That's exactly how I'm going to leave it. Don't worry. That was actually a good line. Don't worry how I get my information. You get it from me. Did I, you not just hear what I said? You don't reveal sources. Don't worry how I get my information. He's not, he's just saying, he's just protecting his journalistic standards. I should learn from him. Look, you're in the

shadows of you've known everything that's going on here and i do believe people need to see with the maximum sort of reported details because we've learned in recent years that some insiders are bought and that uh no one could ever buy me the information unless they give me enough money uh you mike you have to have been on the inside of what felt dirty where lane kiffin is treating all of this is like privately i'm the coach who gives the least amount of bleeps i don't care whether I coach the last game or not. I mean, I'd like to. I think he cared.

He did, but it's not for the reasons that everyone's saying. Yeah, he wants to be there for the kids and win a national title. That's on the list. But the last week of posturing has been just, are we going to fire Lane? Or is LSU going to give us money for taking him? This is all about Lane wanting his contract. And LSU coming to the table and Ole Miss not wanting to have to pay Lane to fire. him, even though they told him you can't come into work. So that's what's been happening over the

last week. Lane made his decision last Friday. As we told you during that show, there's a decision happening today. And it doesn't look like it's going to be Florida. The last week has been, let's see what happens in the SEC title game. And let's argue about, are we going to fire you or is LSU going to pay us to take you? And that fight is still going on. What would have happened if Auburn came back and won that game Saturday night? Because we were all sitting around waiting all day long for the decision that was expected, and then it became a thing where it's like, well, what if Auburn wins tonight? That's clearly what we're waiting for now. What if Auburn did win that game? I happen to think, not happen to know, but I think if Ole Miss

was in that SEC title game, then a loss again can hurt them because the committee could say, look, your coach is leaving. You have two losses now. You're not going to be the same team going forward. Oh, you think the committee could possibly penalize teams for losing in the common championship game? It's in their criteria. It's literally spelled out. I mean, they didn't do that last year. It's spelled out. I think they're good because they won the Egg Bowl, but if they lost the

Egg Bowl, I can tell you, like, they'd be out. They'd be out. I really did think, okay, let me backtrack a little bit on this Lane story because, Mike, I'd like you to gather yourself and just give me the five most interesting morsels that you have

seen in just being interested on how the mechanics of all of this works, where Lane Kiffin goes through the Nick Saban path of rehab to professional coaches stop here for a second before they get on to that next thing. Sarkeesian got the best job in the sport and got it fairly quickly. So, and Cristobal, after failing at FIU, leaving FIU,

how would we appraise? Hired. Fired at FIU. Okay, but fine, but ends up rehabilitating his career by going through Nick Sabin. I'd like the five most interesting things you have. I felt bad for Marty Smith this weekend. I've been calling Marty Smith. I keep checking in on him.

He has aged a great deal over the course of the weekend. That seems like Photoshop. No, this is how. This is what happened to Marty. He's very healthy and he's fit, but you cannot be near that Brown Lake in Mississippi and Chase Lane Kiffin around for 36 hours without being made totally crazy. That's the worst assignment of Marty Smith's career that man's been on the White House lawn throwing a football.

He didn't live to dodge fire trucks in Mississippi trying to get to the bottom of whether Lane Kiffin is going to get his next grift at Florida, LSU, or stay at Mississippi for all the money in the world? It's not Nick Sabin that was out there as the college coach free agent. Lane Kippen has never coached a playoff game. It's crazy the coverage that we've done over this. The World Cup is coming back to North America for the first time since 94. 48 teams! These giant stadiums!

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Stugats. I care more about Matthew Kachuk than I do my daughter. This is the Dan Levitar show with the Stugats. It is sheer lunacy, but it's about fame and what they've done with the mercenary. Brian Kelly will buy your coach. Oh, you're embarrassing. Never mind. Marcus Freeman is the new hot thing.

Brian Kelly, you're out. Like, we'll burn through it quicker now because LSU has the money allegedly to get in the game. Because when I read, if you guys are reading any of the details on how Brian Kelly and LSU were fighting over this money and how silly some of it was and in some cases they don't always know if they have the money. They'll sort of just figure

it out by bringing a swirl around their program. Look, Colorado's going to pay for years of Colorado football just because what Deion did with what we were doing with coaches. So of course, if that's what we're going to make the coaches as the hood ornaments of the business, are you famous? What Lane Kiffin is, it's not win or win with

expectations. What Lane Kiffin has done the best in his rehab tour, Because he has called plays. That's right up there. But it's also being a personality of renegade that says, Bleep You, who clearly doesn't seem to care very much what you think of him in any sort of way, professionally or personally,

but we'll say after the slate of games this weekend, the most important game is the one I'm going to tonight with my son, Knox. That's the only game that matters. And we told you Knox had all the influence here when it came to Lane going to LSU. All right, I have a top five, and it's not just about Lane. It's about all the ramifications of Lane's decision and all this stuff is buttoned up

journalistically in a way that you're not getting anywhere else. Number one. Number five. Well, yeah, number five. John Somerall was initially kind of a joke at the start of this entire process. Mike, do you not know how to play this game? Do you want to start? Well, there's a lot of me here.

Look, let me. They're not dancing well. All right, let's start it again. It doesn't always start. That's okay. We started one or five. Okay. All right.

I got it. No more interruptions. Here we go. Number five, John Summerall was initially a joke in this experience. Auburn and Auburn was being applied a lot of pressure from LSU and Florida when there were initial leaks about John Sumerall being linked to both LSU and Florida. And part of that was LSU and Florida were trying to get John Summerall hired. over at Auburn. Did you, Zaslow, report anything about this on ESPN?

Yeah, I said Summerall is going to be announced as the Florida Gator Head Coach on Sunday. Before Mike or after Mike? I said that on Friday night. You said that before me, but after my text to him. Yo, what did I already tell you about that? I have the proof. This is a very awkward situation that we have going on here. I want people to come out against Adam Schaefter like that.

I told Adam. Number four. Are you using Zaz as a puppy day? Number four. No, someone's being used and it's very clearly me. Number four. Zaz is just checking in on you. Mike, how's it going?

Yeah. How do you know I got it from you? Look, Zaz has been reporting things weeks ahead of everybody else. Weeks ahead of accurately, he hasn't gotten a thing wrong yet, correct? Maybe you're like my third source. You referred to Kiffin to LSU as done a week ago. Yep, over a week ago. On ESPN.

Why are your things not getting traction? I don't know. That's what I already said. Anyone out there who tweets out about Lane Kiffin and some roll too for that matter, And you don't do that hat tip. You know about that hat tip, Dan? That's what you do the H and you do the slash and the T. That means you're giving somebody credit on Twitter.

That's how hat tip works. Have some integrity. You know how top fives work. That stands for hat tip? That does stand for hat tip. Why did I think it was hashtag? No, but I think Zaslo deserves more than this. Zaslo is breaking the news and not getting any credit for being an insider.

Are you serious? What is the list of things? Yeah. Okay. So there was Lane Kiffin. Also, I. Your list or mics? Where are we? This is the list.

I came in here. Three Mondays ago, I think it was. And what did I say that morning? I said, Nico Harrison, going to get fired today. I think you posed it as a question. Nope. No, no, he, no, no. But it was still a good thought of, like, could he get fired today?

Like, you did it kind of like. You pronounced report wrong. It was a good report. Nico Harrison got fired that day. It wasn't a question. It was a report. Did we forget to say it? He came into a meeting with that news, and it broke two hours later.

True. My fault. I have bombshell reporting here. Please read what is on your screen right now. This is a timestamp from Friday. This is unprecedented. You can go ahead and read word for word play by play. A source outing the reporter.

You can read play by play here if you'd like. Unprecedented what is happening here. Can you go ahead and read this Friday. 421. It's freezing here in Norman. I'm completely unprepared for a resolution. this weather. Worse than last week. I'm embarrassed. True story. Can you confirm that

this is a text from you? Shrew story. All right, I just volunteer that's 17 in Pittsburgh and what, you were dealing with 40 degrees. Yeah, but it was really windy. Zaz goes, do you have a coat? I don't. I didn't even bring my hooded sweatshirt. I'm just checking in on you here. Yeah. I'm like, yes, I brought that because I'm an adult. Zaz, I'm embarrassed.

And then, let's scroll down. This is still Friday. Summer Alde. Florida. We'll be announced Sunday. Layne LSU tomorrow. I'm going to announce it on ESPN tonight. Your intentions are spelled out. Me saying, I'm going to stop telling you, and you just slap me in the face with an inside. You know what? You know what?

Leave that on the screen. This is not even a betrayal. Dan, calm down. You don't even have to be upset for me, okay? Because nowhere here. Thank you for the proof. Thank you, Mike, for helping me out here. Because nowhere did I ask for anything.

I didn't ask any questions. You just all of a sudden said, you all of a sudden said some role to Florida. We'll be announced Sunday Lane to LSU tomorrow. I read that on my end. I'm like, yeah, I already know that. So I'm going to tell, Mike, I'm going to announce it on ESPN tonight. Hold on. Be very careful here.

Are you arguing that you never ask me what's going to happen? I'm telling you. Because I got that text, too, Zaz. I got that text, too. I already knew this. Hmm. Oh, it was just implied. Like, of course, why is this guy telling me the obvious thing?

I didn't imply shit. You just all of a sudden decided to take something that I knew. Number four. Wait, wait, wait, wait. We'll get to number four in a second, Mike. I do want to come back here, though, in defense of Zaz here. What are you doing? In defense of, he is just, it is obvious what he is doing.

Head-to-head has to matter. First of all, it's obvious what you're doing, which is trying to out yourself as a source when he has not confirmed that you're a source and what I thought was proof. I go to jail for my source. This is gaslighting. Put it back up on the screen, please. What I initially thought was you providing clear and obvious proof that you were the one

that gave Zazaz that information. I'll go to jail before I really reveal my source. These text exchanges do not actually confirm your case because it could be read that Zaslo was saying to you. Yeah, I'm going to report it tonight. Yep. And you're saying, I'm never telling you anything again. I don't care.

And you're saying, you don't care. I'm an insider. I don't need you. Sick. You know, that was Mike? Played yourself. Put it on the poll, please. At Lebitard show.

Did Mike Ryan play himself? Number four, Mike. I would like some context there. Number four, Scott Strickland and all this. Scott Strickland is the AD. So remember what I told you, number five. I know we have quite a amount of time that it's gone between number five and number four. I'm aware of that.

So initially, John Summerall was just being invoked as kind of force Auburn's hand. Once it became clear last Friday that Lane Kiffin was not going to Florida, Florida has a problem on their hands. Because they were convinced Lane was going there. They were convinced. Now they have to go to a backup plan. Scott Strickland, he has got a booster issue and he's embattled over there. Despite being on a hot seat, even though he won a national title in basketball.

They're also a basketball school. He won a national title, and yet he's on the hot seat. So he's got a clash. Boosters that feel wrong by Lane Kiffin, because he kind of did wrong them, that want to make a huge splash. And him seizing on this opportunity, like, the lane thing was a lane thing. But now I want a head coach that I can control. and I don't want to go after Lincoln Riley like you're telling me to. I don't want to go after dabbo like you're telling me too.

We're losing time here. We can't get caught with our pants out even more. We have to hit this ground running. So after John Summerall initially canceled a meeting with Florida because he knew he was a pawn in all of this, they come back to John Summerall and offer him half. It wasn't their first choice. Eli Drinkwitz over at Missouri was.

But Scott Strickland kind of wants to control the head coach. He doesn't want a strong personality over there. And in digging on Eli, he realized he kind of pushed out the last AD in Mizzou. I don't like that. I'm going with Summerall. So there's a lot of information there, Zaslo. And I want to tackle some of it here because in the business of sport, what everyone just saw publicly is after stumbling through the Brian Kelly stuff,

LSU still looked over in Florida and said, no, we want him. That's number three. Brian Kelly got fired because Billy Napier got fired. That's why it timed out the way that it did because everyone knew Lane was going to Florida. This was an open secret. The plans were laid down on the ground for this like two years ago. If everybody knew, if Billy Napier struggled, Lane Kiffin was going to be the guy. Under normal circumstances, Brian Kelly would finish the season, but these weren't normal circumstances.

Ellis wanted to throw its bleep on the table and say, you think you're getting Lane Kiffin? We're a much better job. We're not this clown show, even though the governor's getting involved. We'll tidy it up, and we'll offer Lane the same amount of money. And if all things are equal, we're the better job. By the way, Sumerall ended up accepting an offer for half of what Florida was offering Link Kiffin. So that deserves more fanfare there.

I also just want to know. Yeah, I mean, that, okay, but I thought literal fanfare as opposed to, because he says. Yeah. I just felt like, that felt like we got some, that felt like I happened to know within the top five. But just, and as you see the tectonic plate shift on salaries, because, I mean, you're looking at Missouri and Vanderbilt are in the SEC game. They've never played in that actual top tier before, right? So this is Vanderbilt's first 10 win season ever, I think, and Missouri just got drinkwits $10 to $11 million a year, $12 million a year, as Lane goes to LSU for $12 million a year. be more than that. Summerall and Eli

Cher are an agent, too. So that was ever present here. The shifting of away from Brian Kelly into the next hot thing, it's funny and it's short-sighted, but let's get to number two here. Because the amazing thing about

Lane, again, I keep saying it, 13 and 25 against ranked teams, he's not willing to recruit. He's just there to call plays and be the face for your program. Like, this is a person who's saying with not a great winning record, against ranked teams. I'm only willing so hard to work at these parts of the job. The one I want to do is I call plays on Saturday. That's what I do. Get me the best players and I'll run your business from calling plays on Saturday. And just the brand alone guarantees you top five in high school recruiting. Ole Miss does really well in recruiting, but they have to hit the portal hard over there. And Lane isn't really built for year in, year out consistency over at Ole Miss because that's tougher to recruit high school kids. You have one of the best most talent rich high school football states in the nation in Louisville. You already have an NIL squad over there and the support

from an athletic department that has all these templates that you can plug and play. And Lane Kiffin is actually reveling in that. Dan Lebertard. The boy is Captain Slappy. Stugats. Is this Chum Bucket? This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats. If I can just for the history of what LSU is as it comes in in Big Boys, Florida, okay? Did I say Louisville? I meant Louisville. Nick Sabin knows that you climb through that portion of the swamp. Get the best players. You can build your Alabama elsewhere.

Just get the best players. It's pretty simple what Nick Saban built. I can't believe that he was able to sustain it with distance for such a long time. But it's his greatest regret he says of his career is that he went to, that he didn't stay at LSU, that he feels like he could have built all of that at LSU. And he could have so much so that what he left in his wake, even in that conference, before it became the thing that birthed Missouri's and Vanderbilt's all of a sudden, that are now profit centers out of nowhere,

Vanderbilt's first 10 win season ever. Then wins championships for two people in Ed Orgeron and Les Miles. Let's just say more of the Neanderthal version of whatever the play caller, or Lane Kiffin mercenary is. Les Miles and Ed Orgeron aren't the reason the program won. Ed Orgeron had the best team I've ever seen in college football.

Is Osiron going to be on Lane Kiffin's staff? I think so. He'll be recruiting. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I told you there's real steam behind that. So where are we? Real steam behind that? I told you there's real steam behind that.

I don't have imaging for that. I should have new imaging. I think that there's real steam behind that. Well, Dan, let me ask you a question because you're an Ed Orgeron insider. You see them running on the beach. Have you seen him running on the beach in the last week? I have not.

I've been running in a bio. Okay. He said he'd take his truck in a day to go meet Lane Kiff and do the recruiting for him. Yeah, he's worked on a staff before. So, number two in all this, Lane daring Ole Miss to fire him. It's not the kids. I told you this. It's not about the kids.

It's not even about the CFP. This is all about money. I understand. It seems like the most obvious thing in the world, Ole Miss being like, don't want you to be coaching here because you're just going to try to steal our players while you're actively doing that. Signing Day is in January. Why would we have a lame duck head coach that will only be, yeah, I'm sure he'll try to be winning the games, but he's going to be in that building with our kids trying to steal our guys? I get that. But now you've guaranteed

that he's going to be outside your building trying to steal your kids. So there's an argument to be made to just have Lane Kiff and stick around. But I get why Ole Miss is burned and didn't want that. What's going to be fascinating to see is how does this actually shake out? Is he getting fired because he wants to come into work and is being told no? Or is his buyout going to be paid by LSU? I think all that stuff is still being figured out. How can anyone think it'd be appropriate for him to continue coaching the team for what they would hope, what they would hope would be another month and a half? All right. I think Summerall's coaching Tulane. Different situation. How can anyone think it's okay for let's say we're at the beginning of January and instead of getting ready

to play in the national semi-final lane kiffin is out recruiting and putting stuff together for oh yeah the other team in the SEC same league the other team of the SEC that he also coaches but the lack of perspective that allows a sentence to you know just hit off the stray end of the business of this is we can't have lane around the kids he'll steal him he's going to be outside your building trying to steal your kids is a real sentence no but it's how you're pissed it's it's how you build the program well okay so let's let's examine for a second the real deep history because i don't know what your number one is here on lane kiff let me be clear about this i i think this is understood is it not what lane kiffin does not

give a about your construct on what you think the business of sports are. He has less give-off than anybody. And so Lane Kiffin controlling the entire sport

and being covered like he's Nick Saban, sends Marty Smith out. Where was he? He's moving around fire trucks. Marty Smith had a very bad 36 hours. I'm trying to get a hold of Marty.

Marty is all of a sudden hard to get a hold of. That's never been the case before, but Marty, I am saying that the last 36 hours of Marty Smith's life or something that he did not enjoy. Like, maybe getting this is something, but Marty knows what the grift is. He knows he's interviewing a used car salesman. He shouldn't have to chase him around for 36 hours to get the exclusive so that he can interview him on a tarmac that's dusty. I want to play from the night before.

What we're looking at here is the interview when he made his decision. the night before, this is just a 16-second clip of how broken Marty Smith was doing this reporting. I wrote him at 846 central time and said, will there be a resolution tonight? Please, God, in heaven, tell me yet. So that's where he was late into the night. That's not journalism, Marty. This is not journalism we're doing when you're chasing someone around fire truck and saying, please end this, sir. Put me out of my misery. resolution tonight, please God in heaven, tell me yes. He knows this is wrong what they're doing to Marty Smith. When Marty was given that gig,

he definitely thought it was to be like one stand-up and then go home, right? Please God in heaven, tell me. We can't be in on the grift of the business of this so much that we... Please God in heaven, tell me yes. Marty's like, let me get back to the football. Football Saturdays are fun. What is this nonsense? Having to chase

Lane Kiffin around. Please God in heaven, tell me. Lane, I know what you are. We all know what you are who cover the sport. we kind of like it we kind of like that you're dirty you tell the truth but then he got him for that interview and he asked all the right questions

did he? A five minute interview was just oh it was all right so and Lane gave him the proper amount of time Lane and Marty go way back all right so is Mississippi what sounds worth playing here on where Mississippi's going to get back get mad before we get to Mike's number one

I like let's just play the first one where Lane just kind of gives him credit for all the reporting he's done well first I just watched you do something unbelievable and go off road around the fire trucks to get here. So amazing job by you. You know that this was a very challenging, difficult day. You know, we went through a lot last night with Keith Carter

trying to figure out a way, you know, to make this playoff, you know, run work and be able to coach the team. And at the end of the day, that's his decision. And I totally respect that. I understand that decision. And, you know, so I just totally wish the team the best of luck, wish that I was coaching. but understand that it was a very challenging position for him

and the chance to be in and totally respect that. So, you know, just really help they play really well and go win the national championship. Lane Kiffin's going to be outside your building trying to steal your kids. It's wild. He's like, you went around a fire church. Like, what if Marty Smith got arrested trying to do this report? I'm guessing that Marty Smith had a rented truck and did go off-roading.

I think that Marty broke the law in order to get that interview, but also questioned his life and his self-worth while he did so. Please, God, in heaven, tell me. This is not what we do with our sources, Marty. You know better than this. So let's hear Lane saying that he is also mad and hurt because he can't go back and talk to his team. And the professional of this doesn't even allow him to be human. You know, again, I totally respect Keith's decision. So that was his decision.

Yeah. Yeah, he asked me not to come to the meeting and said I couldn't come, which I totally understand, you know. I don't know that I necessarily agree with that, you know, we were trying to find a way, you know, to make this work and coach the team and give the team the best chance to win. But I also, you know, he's got a job to do. Like he said, he has to live here.

So, like he said, maybe all the national people understand why he should let me coach, but he has to live here, and it's a little different when you're the AD. So totally respect that. And Keith has been amazing to us over to six years. You can't commit to go work for a competing rival and stay in your current job for possibly another two months. Oh, but I thought that he has to live here was an elbow. Like that sound, oh my God, like in terms of Lane trying to publicly do, this is about God and family. And I got an important game with Knox tonight that's the most important game in my life.

as he has to do that to keep up the veneer of this, I thought for him to hit him in the elbow with something that is he has to live here, which makes it, he has to live here. Which makes it sound like, well, he's got to live with the fandom as I take off in a private jet. He has to live in the community. But it's also the slight of, you have to live here. I never, I never wanted to live here. Oh, I thought it was just the former there. So, like he said, maybe all the national people understand why he should let me

coach but he has to live here. That is actually worse than he has to live here, which is like he's kind of small time in Ole Miss. I understand why everyone in the nation would want me coaching Ole Miss because I am the program, but you know, he's got to live here. This is how you graduate to all the things Lane Kiffin has graduated toward. What else from that interview is worth playing, Chris? I think we hit the good stuff there. That was pretty revelatory him volunteering to Marty that they were working on an agreement that protected Ole Miss. Obviously, Ole Miss wasn't satisfied with the level of protection. But now... How can they be protected? I get it does seem like the most obvious thing in the world,

but now he doesn't have any restrictions or an agreement in place. And he's got the power of LSU and he's already shit posting spot the ball. So he's going to be coming after your kids full bore now while you're trying to avoid a college football playoff distraction. I don't think you're going to get that. And Ole Miss gets to keep their integrity. No, but hold on. That matters. That matters, though. Does it? That matters when you're spurned like this.

When someone says you're not good enough for me, I'm going elsewhere. Basically, at that point, all you have is your integrity. But they're not good enough for him, and they won't be as good as they are right now. They have a legitimate chance to win in the college football playoff with the most creative, offensive mind in the sport, with a great offense that can go win this thing. And to have him now, devoting all of his time to this other program, at least make him do a time. split. Even if he was there trying to recruit your kids over, ultimately, and stealing your kids from outside of your building, he'd be doing it from inside of the building where he could help lead them to a championship. We've seen coaches do this before. We've seen

coaches that have gone elsewhere, started recruiting for the other school, flown back, coached their team into these important bowl games, and it's ultimately affected them in a negative way. It'll be coached them in a ball game. How do you know? No, I'm talking about past examples. Like past examples was coaching an ab bowl game when now it's coaching the team for almost another two months. Well, it was already a month and a half. The signing day falling in that window. The difference now is national signing day happens while the college football playoffs. I'm going to say it. Having him be distracted while trying to coach Ole Miss can only help you if you're Ole Miss and you're getting your next coach in line. To me, I'll say it.

This calendar's wacky. It is. It really is. No, but you know what? That's a cop out, man. The whole calendar thing. Lane Kippen made a choice to go coach somewhere else. Who cares what the calendar is? Wacky calendar. It's a wacky calendar, but again, do you realize we're laughing? Think about what we're talking about here.

Marty Smith has been aged by the process of Lane Kiffin will be outside your building trying to steal your kids. It's assinine. It's just the silliest of the stupidity. It's around all of this money we're just

judging the games with arguments and it's not real it's all made for television bullshit and Lane Kiffin runs the business Mike what's number one let's go full circle with number one because John Summerall went from pawn

knowing he was a pawn to having an offer on the table from Auburn and having an offer on the table from Florida midweek that he was trying to decide between Auburn and Florida the decision was made he knew that he was a pawn for Florida and a backup plan, but Auburn was forcing him to keep guys like Durkan on his

staff, and he didn't feel like he had the autonomy over his staff at Auburn, which is why he goes back and takes half of what they offered to Lane and landed on Florida. I think that Zaz is more of an insider than you are. All right. You're on the come up. Cool. I'm just going to leave this segment early. You can be hurt by that, but Zaslo, I mean, Jazzlo keeps...

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