The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Hockey Show: Every Foot Matters

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

The Hockey Show returns after Thanksgiving, the day every hockey team determines whether or not they will make the Playoffs. That leaves the Panthers currently out of the picture, and Roy, David, and Ethan break down the brutal stretch they have found themselves in recently. Plus, weird injuries continue to pile up around the league, and there are real concerns about whether the Olympic hockey arena will be ready in time for the Olympic Games. Also, DJ Bean of the What Chaos! Podcast joins the show to discuss the struggles of his Oilers, fallow years, and why he has two Seth Jones Winter Classic jerseys. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Please follow us there. At the Hockey Show DLS, we have a TikTok account as well at the Hockey Show 7-N-X, Instagram, and threads at Hockey Show DLS. We hope that you have had a great American Thanksgiving with you and yours. I again did my famous turkey, and again, I won. Thank you very much. What you did? Well, I didn't really beat anybody, but everybody. really enjoyed having that turkey.

So, Roy, I missed the Turc-Off last year or the year before. I was not here yet for the Turc-off, I believe. So I still have not tried your delicious turkey. And I'm trying to get my family. I'm really adamant about I think turkey is the wrong meat to eat on Thanksgiving. I want to go with ham. But is there any chance I could get your recipe? Yeah.

Oh, you will? I'll give it to you. Yeah, absolutely. I didn't know if you were, like, one of those people that's very protective over their recipes or if they'll help. Okay. No, I put over Twitter a couple of times last year. So, yeah, I'm not protective. I'm just happy that everybody likes the fact that they want to, you know, you just like that people like your food, right?

Yeah, I want people to like my food. Exactly. But you know what? I think ham is actually a Christmas. It is. Yeah. It's a Christmas meat for sure. But for me, like one year during the pandemic, we did a very small Thanksgiving and we did honey-baked hamps.

ham and turkey. It was the best Thanksgiving we've ever had because I had an option besides turkey. Oh, I love honey baked ham. I love honey baked ham. My non-Jewish side of the family, we do ham Christmas Eve and, or turkey Christmas Eve, Ham Christmas, I believe. Or maybe it's the other way around. I don't care.

It's delicious. Yeah. Oh, man, honey-baked ham is the best, especially. What's your ham go-to sides? Sides would definitely be a sweet potato, yams. With ham? Yeah, I can have it with ham, yeah. I mean, it's a sweet component with a sweet component, but I'll have it with ham.

I like going like potatoes with like cheese melted on top, maybe some like crispy bacon on top. Yeah. Or this is just Thanksgiving though. Yeah. Well, I'm talking about with ham. In general, you know, I'll bake beans, baked beans. And again, it's a sweet component, but you can. Got to have some kind of apple sauce.

Would that be your, sorry. Would that be your top barbecue side would be baked beans? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, interesting. Absolutely. Every single barbecue dish that I have. I've ever had at a restaurant, I checked the menu to see if there's baked beans on it. You know, then if it has baked beans, I'm getting it every time.

Yeah, like the one they put, like, the pieces of pork in the baked beans, so you get, like, different, like, texture. No, no, not like, not like that. Like, little chunks of, like, you know, sliced beef or whatever. I don't know. It's just yummy. Yeah, it is yummy. Yeah. Burn ends, always get burn ends, by the way.

By the way, Thanksgiving is always the time that teams happen to look at the calendar and see where they are. and in the standings in. We're not doing that. Let's not do that today, guys. I don't want to look at the standings right now. No, we're going to look at the standings. Unfortunately, we have to in a little bit. They are there.

You know, they happen to be there, and it's a line of demarcation. But anyway, the Toronto Maple Leafs are constantly getting trolled by Brad Marshand. Every single time. And this time, Brad Marshan brought up looking at Thanksgiving as a line of demarcation in a team's season. In this case, it happened to be the Toronto Maple Leafs. This is what you have to say about Toronto season and trying to quell the fears of Maple Leaf fans.

Obviously, with the media attention and the fan support that they have in Toronto, things get blown way out of proportion up there. But yeah, they definitely don't think that in the room. What are they, four points out of a place spot? Or if people are thinking they're going to playoff spot for the season, and you've got to find a new job. I'm going to do my best Chris Rock impression here for you, Jay.

Right message, wrong messenger. Right message, wrong messenger, right? Because he's not wrong. It's 25 games into the season. The Leafs are just on the outside looking in. The Leafs are in a position where they've been very good in the regular season for a long time, and they better have some confidence and some belief

behind closed doors that they could still make the playoffs. But this isn't the guy. who should be saying it because it's not sincere. Now it was Brian Hayes who joined TSN SportsCenter to basically say that Brad Marshand was not sincere. Do you agree with that assertion?

No. I thought Brad was pretty sincere when he was... I think Hayes is hurt by first half of his career, Marchand. I don't think he's taking into account mature Marchand. The Marchand that's won a Stanley Cup now. The Marchand, that's just a good guy.

Well, he had one of Stanley Cup before. No, no, that's one of Stanley Cup before. No, no, that's one of Stanley Cup. Stanley Cup since his rookie year. He's won a Stanley Cup as a mature person. But on the road to that Stanley Cup. I was going to say he had a big part in that Toronto series. I mean, he saved the Panthers in that series with his game three winner. I don't think he's being, I think that's just the thing.

They did beat Toronto. So he doesn't have to, you know, drive at home. I agree with you. I agree with you. I think that was being sincere, especially considering anybody just turn around and say, well, if he's trolling the Maple Leafs, where are your Panthers below the Maple Leafs? So, like, you know? Not for long, probably, right?

Hopefully because there's a chance that Matthew Kachuk will return at the end of this month. Yes. And hopefully some more of the players, like Et de Luce Rhinan, maybe we'll come back at the end of the month as well as he recovers from his burns from that tragic propane accident. Barbecue accident. Sounds like a fried turkey situation gone wrong. Or was it before Thanksgiving? Okay, because there was another one, not Jimmy Snuggerud, but maybe Varankov on the. No, not Francombe.

No, we're going to talk about that in a second. Torpechenko. Torpichenko. We're going to talk about that in a second. We'll get to that in a second. I'm actually thinking maybe it was pasta water that fell on it. I'm thinking that. Maybe.

But I don't think it was a fried turkey situation. We'll talk about that in a second. But just on the Panthers, like, I know it's rough right now and they're out of it and the leaves are out of it as well. But there are only five points out of the Atlantic Division. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, we're making a mountain out of a, I hate you. in this term. A mountain out of a mole hill.

Right? I mean, we are early in this season. It's I mean, if you get on a winning streak and hopefully some of the teams lose, then you'll be back in it. Now, it's going to take a little bit of help, but that's the situation. They're going to help themselves.

My positive spin is something that we haven't had to experience the last few years as a Panthers fans, right? And that's... Winning? No, we've been doing plain of that. Panthers fans, I keep saying we. Like I, I, stop doing that.

You're a journalist, huh? I am. My youth versus my adulthood. But anyway, my positive spin is that it's been a few years since Panthers fans have had to sweat out a playoff race. They haven't had to watch the standings that much in March and April. But this year, they may have to do that.

And the fact that they could have a team that's, like, way better than most, if they get as healthy as, you know, if they get everybody back except for Barkov, which they may, by the time the playoffs roll around, I don't know. That sounds like fun to me. I think they just need to be within striking range at the Olympic break. If they're just still hanging around at the Olympic break,

they'll be able to make a charge late season and they'll be able to hang around. But again, it's five points. It's December. And teams are playing at ridiculous paces. They won't play at all season. Like the flyers are on like a 102 point pace. It's going to slow down. Win four games in a row and you're right back in the standings.

Like, it's fine. Speaking of the Olympic break, the progress on the building of the Olympic ice rink and Milan is not going well. In fact, the rank is going to be smaller than NHL standard size. How does that happen, Roy? It's a classic Europe to U.S. mistake. It's the metric system versus the customary system, 100%. That's literally what happened.

As you know, usually international ice ranks are bigger because, again, the metric system. Usually bigger than NHL ranks, usually. But they're going by NHO regulation size for these Olympics. Now, I mean, the word is. And this is coming from Team Canada's assistant coach Peter DeBore. The rink is going to be three or four feet smaller than standard NHL rinks. And, you know, the rinks are usually 200 by 85 feet. So it would come in around 197 by 85.

By comparison, and we're talking about old rinks now. By comparison, this would make the ice just about the size of Boston Garden, 191 to 83 feet. Now, the smallest ice rink that we've probably seen would be Chicago Stadium. Yes. 185 by 85. It was a boxing ring that they played hockey. How did we live in a time where hockey ice surfaces in the NHL were not regulated? That seems like ballparks.

It seems like ballpastinine. How did we play on different size surfaces in different cities? That's insane. It depends on the size of the arena, right? I mean, Chicago Stadium was a born. literally a boy. I think that's because so many of the buildings were built before they thought about regulating that kind of thing

and it's hard to, you know, wind that tape back. Yeah. I'm trying to remember where it was earlier this week when this was on, I don't know if it was Laz or somebody was talking about how, like, why wouldn't hockey arenas do it like baseball and have every stadium have its own unique dimensions that could be, like, catered to that particular team?

I think that's a cool idea. I find that crazy. I don't find it crazy in baseball at all. but I find it crazy in hockey and what we're going to see with a small ice but there's not going to be a lot of room no it's going to be a lot more checking right

yeah it's got to be more like if it's bigger and bigger if it's international ice it'll be like three on three the way the ice is going to look out there with all those players that's what I was looking forward to is the wide open ice so you can the skilled guys can do their thing a little bit more

it's certainly not Panthers hockey but it's still there's entertainment to be had just to note for those that don't know they played on a small smaller ice surface in Sweden when they had the global series this year. And what will happen is they'll shrink the neutral zone. They'll paint the lines differently. They will shrink the neutral zone so that the offensive zones are the same size. I'm concerned, guys. Are you guys

are you guys? It's the same amount of room behind the net. It'll be the same amount of room in the offensive zone. They're just going to shrink the neutral zone probably by what, a foot and a half each on each side, right? If it's three feet. Guys, I'm concerned. Like Bill Daley was asked recently? What are the chances that NHL players don't show up? And he said, what are the chances that the arena is not finished? If the arena is not finished, he says they're not coming. Well, there's no plan B. There's no plan B. There's no plan B. There's no plan B. There's no Olympic Arena. Torino hosted the Olympic Games in 2006.

They brought this up on what chaos, which we'll have DJ being on later, which I'm really excited about, guys, by the way, I love DJ. But can't they just play in Torino? Like, how far are Torino in Milan? There was an Olympic games there 12 years ago. Like, there's got to be an arena that we can play in. Is that arena still there? 12 years?

No, sorry, that's not 12 years. Oh, my God. What am I doing? That's 20 years. Kind of like the soccer stadiums in Rio. Olympics to go. Yeah. Oh, jeez, so they're relics now.

Oh, boy. It's probably mold and grass growing inside the arena at that point. But we were talking about weird injuries. Obviously, we talked about Alexi Turochinko, who is week to week for the blues right now at the sustained scalding burns. And did this happen after Thanksgiving or during the week of Thanksgiving? I heard the news right after Thanksgiving. So I was kind of like, like I said in the hockey chat, I was like, is this a fried turkey situation? and then somebody was like, you have Torpacenko frying a turkey?

It's like, okay, that may be a good point. We're never going to get through a show without him mentioning the hotline. And just so you guys know, Roy, they renovated the Torino Arena seven years ago. All right, so it's still in use. Seems like a pretty easy backup plan, if you ask me, you guys. Well, next question. How far is Milan from Torino? Yeah, you look up Google Maps on that one, buddy.

Oh, it's close. How close? Less than two hours. It's, yeah. Two hours. You have to remember, this is Europe, guys, okay? You can get from, like, you can get, it takes you seven hours to get, and you can go, like, five countries. We are single-handedly solving this problem on the hockey show right now.

I hope everybody's listening, because we have solved your problem, everybody. But yeah, Torochenko, getting hurt like that, it's golden burns. It's a loose-ironin with the propane situation. I got a solution for this, too. It's a clause in contracts. What do I say when I see a goalie leap up outside the crease, a stare-your-ass out of the crease? Stay your ass out of the kitchen. Damn right.

It'll be like the most misogynistic hockey rule since, who knows, but. What about Jack Hughes? What are you going to do? Stay your ass out of restaurants? Stop hanging out with Frank the tank. Maybe hockey can just, like, get some kind of endorsement deal where the players can buy their own. I don't want to say a name because I don't know who's sponsored and who's not, but somebody to get them to deliver food, you know what I mean?

Just whatever. Just stay out of the kitchen. Stay safe. Yeah. Last week, by the way, the Sharks and the Senate is speaking of a safe. safety, they got fined by the NHL because the NHL has this rule. They got fined? Yeah, they got, you know, somebody got fined.

One of the teams got fined by the NHL because, as you know, the grandfathered of the rule saying that this is during the 2019-2020 season, that those drafted that season and thereafter must wear helmets during pre-game skate. Now, the Sharks and Senators last week did not wear helmets at all during pre-game skate. Oh, yeah, they were both in Vegas and neither one wore helmets. Yes, they were both in Vegas. I think the senators did that for luck because they had lost six in a row in Vegas. They didn't win in that game. The Sharks did the same thing, although they didn't claim that it was luck, but they decided not to go with helmets in a pregame skate. It is a copycat league.

Yeah. They lost five in a row in Vegas and then lost again, so now six in a row. So that's the situation there. And one of the teams got fine. So what do you think about this? There's the front office in the NHL right now being fuddy-duddies because they don't want people getting hurt during pre-game skate. I feel like I hesitate, but then I just go back,

maybe it's the dad in me, but I'm just thinking, do you want to change it after someone gets clocked in the side of a head with a puck during warm-up? So you do want to maybe change the rule ahead of time and save somebody from getting their brain-mashed? But, I mean, it's a personal choice, right? They are playing hockey. It's not a safe sport.

It sure isn't. They are grown men. And they look so much cooler when their buckets are off and they're out there. Well, not all Timi Pinar and he's bald. Yeah. All right. It's a choice, though. Yes, it was a choice and it actually worked out for him.

It's actually doing better this season. Yeah, he's doing well, actually, dude. All right, it's time for puck luck. It's sponsored by Draft Kings. The Crown is yours. David. Well, that's when some money, man. I'm broke.

Let's go. I got a good feeling about this week. And I think maybe it's because I just stayed my ass out of the Eastern Conference. It's enough with the Eastern Conference. But all right. So, puck luck tonight. First off, I like Dylan Gunther on the Utah Mammoth. They're having a fun season.

Utah has been, it's a fun team to watch, right, Roy? Yeah. So Utah is in Vancouver, who we just love. I'm thinking Dylan Gunther goes over his shot total of 2.5. He's been over that line in seven of his last eight road games, and four of his past five overall. Vancouver also allows the seventh-most shots in the NHL. So there's that. Next game, we're going to go to.

Dallas. I like Will Smith on the Sharks' top line to go over the 2.5 shots total as well. He's over that line and four of his past five overall. Speak the English language, David. Hey, you're doing good. And four straight on the road as well. And in that game, we're going to get a little same game action going. We're going to take Dallas on the puck line over San Jose just because Dallas has been dominant, both at home and everywhere else. San Jose, they're okay this year, but I think Dallas coming off a loss is going to hand it to him. Total odds on that parlay plus 533. Go make yourself

some money, folks. All right, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the stat of the week. The Hockey Stat of the Week. Roy, you've got a stat this week, huh? That's right. The Toronto Maple Leaf for the fourth consecutive game

have scored on their first shot on goal. It hasn't been done. Two teams have done that, including them for the first time in 15 years. that's gross it's my inner goaltender talking but ew

of course yeah of course I mean of course you're not gonna like that well because after it happens the second time right champ is the other team

by the way of course it is after that happens the second time then you're aware of it like oh god they've scored in their first shot the last two games

like the third team is aware the third goalie is aware the fourth goalie is definitely aware the ebug is aware didn't Tristan Jari do the reverse of this last year he let up like the first shot

a goal on like the first shot of the game in like four straight games or something. Maybe it was just six in total. I don't know. Last year was bad. Yeah, but pin in your stomach, don't you? I don't like it. Okay.

I'm going to be watching Toronto. Whoever they play next, I'm going to be watching and make sure that they don't score on their first goal. I guess they play Saturday night. Oh, that's going to be. Hockey night in Canada. They better not give up the first goal. All right, it's time for wins and fails in the week,

presented by Yeagermeister. Serve it cold or don't serve it all. Yagermeister, damn, that's cold. For more, visit yankermaster. drink responsibly. David, what is your win? My win, sticking with a goalie theme, it's a double win. First off, we had in the U.S.HL a goalie fight. We had a goalie fight, and it was a great one.

Oh, my God. The Green Bay Gamblers and the Sioux City Musketeers, great name, by the way. Gamblers, Goldtender, Leo Enriquez, and Musketeers Tendi, writer Shea went at it. And, oh, my God, the haymakers were flying. The footwork was spectacular. The referees could not get in and rip them apart. it was so good. So we had that, a great goalie fight

between the gamblers and the musketeers, and then we're going to go to the WHL because Tri-City Americans goaltender. Oh, wow, look at the bench. Oh, we're still talking about the fight. Yeah, my take on this is the guys on the bench were a little bit too excited. They looked like they won the Stanley Cup, man.

They're throwing sticks, jumping up and down, like a little bit too excited for a goalie fight. Yeah, I'll be, I would definitely have the same reaction if it was a goalie fight on the bench. I would have the same reaction. No, it's like when a goalie scores a goal, which we're going to get to in a second. You got to do what players do when you score a goal.

You do the bench line. You enjoy it. Yeah. So, as I was saying, we're going to go to the WHL now. Tri-City American's goaltender. Xavier went. Went for it.

He scored a goal. Jesus Christ, yeah. But, like, credit to the Swift current Broncos, they're down 3-0. They're still pulling their goalie. You got to go for it here. But yeah, Xavier went, scored from behind his own goal line,

right down the middle. He scored a goal. I love a good goalie goal. It's just a great week for goalies and some minor pro hockey. He went and he did the benchline, all that. They took a net off too. Oh, hell yeah. All right.

I went in a week. That was for win. That was the delayed reaction. Delayed penalty there. Retroactive. I thought that was great wordplay on my part, but whatever. All right, what happened to Calampan Mary definitely was not a win, right? He injured himself trying to get a check off along the boards and he flies Islanders game.

But what happened after he got hurt? It is the win. Now, he tried to check Jamie Driesdale into the boards. He got hurt. He ended up with an ACL tear. He's done for the season. Flyers cleared the puck out of the zone, but it was brought back in via possession by Emil Andrade.

And Parmary just took it off his stick. Who was not offside because the flies brought it back in on possession. He was not offside. It could have been too many men. What a nice, though. That's the best assist ever. Took it off Andre's stick. Gave it to John and Duran.

Drouan, and he had a drop pass to Emil and Heinemann who ended up scoring. So that means that Colin Palmary ended up with a secondary assist. That was the last act of his season. Who had a horn ACL? Yeah, who's got an assist with a torn ACL? I think it's a winner of the week just the fact that you're giving the Islanders any flowers. Like that's... Oh, well, up, well, I'm not done there because once we get to the fails, you'll see why.

CYA, very good. Yeah, Ethan, what you win? Guys, you know I love Connor Bredard so much, and he's having such a good year, and it continued the other night in Vegas with not one but two spectacular moments. Let's roll the clip here. First, this breakaway goal here just shows everything he's about. His speed has been so improved this year, and then watch this release, bam. Top left corner right over the shoulder of Carter Hart, and then this is just so dirty. Let's run these back again here. This first goal, breakaway speed again. The fire, he has had some insane. insane releases this year on some of his goals. Snap it off, top corner, and then this is just absolutely filthy. This kid's amazing. Put him on Team Canada. Everybody wants to see him at the Olympics.

Put Celebrini on there, too. Both of these guys deserve to make Team Canada. It would be, I'm not going to say it's a shame because it's going to be Olympic hockey, but it would be really upsetting if we don't see Connor Bardard in Milan. Or Torino. Nobody in the league can change their release point the way Connor Bardard does. It's Austin-Matthews-esque. The way he brought the puck from.

out where it's normally to all the way next to his skates and then he fired that ridiculous shot top cheese. And he had one like that earlier this year too. It's amazing. He's unreal. He's spectacular. Normally nobody nobody in this league shoots with the puck

that close to the skates like that. No, with that velocity, with that accuracy while moving to his right, he brings it back to his left. That kid is special. What do you think the flex on his stick is? I have no idea. For him to do that. Golly sticks don't have flex, Roy.

No, I'm the Connor Bedard Yeah, I know, but I don't What do I know about it? I mean, well, you know about that I'm not ripping slappers, clappers You should be out there saving them Yeah, oh well

Well, I don't know about saving Conrad shots Oh, that'd be definitely difficult man I would love to see Connor Madard up against you Dave That would be great No No I can't even stop Roy

I'm gonna stop Connor Redard Bar down You went bar down on him I did There's video evidence Oh man how have we not seen this yet dude Well Drop it in for next week

Rosed in the dude video, but yeah, I think it was Jordan. Jordan McPherson and might be able to get that video from her. Yeah. She laughed at your ass, boy. I remember that. That was hilarious, man. She just

pointed and laughed at you. Happy wife, happy life. All right, what is your fail? Other than that, we're going to go to the ECHL this time. Roy, I think you might join me in this fail. Ethan, maybe, I'm not sure, actually. Maybe. 100%. Okay. The Kalamazoo Wings had a themed night last night.

Another one of these themed nights. They're fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was for the movie Wicked. They painted it pink and green. Cosmo and Wanda, what are you doing there? What in the world is happening? Do you guys get that joke? I did not get that joke.

Fairly odd parents? You said Cosmo. I thought we were talking about the Seinfeldon. The Ferry Odd Parents? Dude, I am 41 years old. I did not watch the fairy odd parents. My fail of the week is Ethan referencing the Fairly Godparents. Fairly odd parents, thank you.

But I don't know. I just, I feel like Rose might have liked. that. Stranger things, but you can't do red and black because the puck is black, so I don't know. I just, like, if you want to do a theme night, I'm all for it, bring the fans in, get them excited, but that, like, yuck. So, uh, the left side of the rink was pink and the right side was green. It looks like a, do you guys, okay, here's a reference you might get. Remember Gogherst? No. The wicket, yeah, I remember Goddardt. The wicket witch of the West situation. I think like one of them represents Glinda the good

witch and the other one represents the white and half green. Elphaba. I can't remember that. Honestly, like, when I'm looking back at it, it looks like this rink is brought to you by Peptobismal. It looks like a gogurt. Like, you have it mixed up, you know? Like, the two yogurts, one on either side. And then Cosmo and Wanda, they were Timmy's very odd parents, and they used to disguise themselves in things. And you would just see pink and green.

So there's Cosmo and Wanda. Remember those yogurts that came out with, like, the toppings that you can mix in for a minute? Like you had sprinkles. Oh, yeah, the Oreos. We've got some of those sometimes in here. Yeah, those are good. Yeah, I'm sure you're happy about that. My fellow the week comes from the same game as my win,

and I am very happy and I get to do this because it finally happened. The on-ice reason why no sensible team should sign Tony DeAngelo happen during the Flyers' Allender's game. Take a look at us. To make them uncomfortable. Here, Bobby Brink, pressure on DeAngelo. DeAngelo thinks on his forehand, he's got an easy play to make. No looks it

His partner's not there It's Couturier No look pass Trying to No look pass Trying to get that puck To Adam Pellage And did not see a flyer

It was a tape To tape pass The Sean Gatorier And Cotorier Made damn sure The score on that goal And I'm very very happy They did it

Because I get to talk shit Once again About Tony DiAngo And what a bonehead move it was for the New York Islanders to sign this man. What were you thinking? What were you thinking? And now you get to pay for it by giving up a stupid-ass goal by, oh, my gosh.

Roy, my fellow of the week is how you puttered out on that rant. You tapered out, man. You had it. You were doing so good. You were doing so good. And then you just totally, totally, totally, totally petered out right there. on for the video. Yeah, I know, I threw it off.

That's my bad. All right, fine, whatever. But yes, I am very happy that I get to talk shit about Tony DeAngel yet again because of something stupid he did defensively as a defenseman. Yeah. You get a job at Papa John serving pizzas like that. Yes, you can. Extra Loss.

Some Shaq Extra Lazz pizzas. It didn't what you go. All right. I actually do have something. I went to the game last night. Yeah. So one nothing game in the third. period. Were you guys there?

No. I was there. I was there. Okay. They started the wave in a 1-0-0-0-0 in the third period. And I want to ask DJ about this because this just goes on under the behavior report column. That's bad behavior by the fans there. It's a 1-0-0.

I'm trying to watch the game. And people are doing the wave like it's you know, we're up 6-0-0-0-something. They played Peppers before the 3rd. Maybe that's why we lost. So, yeah, a double whammy. by the Panthers Entertainment staff and the fans. Fopha.

Yes, losing to what the second worst team in the West and Congress. You can make an argument. There aren't many that have less points in the Panthers, but Nashville is one of them. Yeah, that's not good. You got 11 games and 11 home games and 12 games. Four teams in the West with less points than Florida. If you're watching on Draft King's Network, you can watch DJ Bean on YouTube, who is coming up next.

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And the one thing that I can... We get swag. We don't get swag. Yeah, we don't... Exactly. It's my favorite hockey show. I aspire to getting free stuff. Yes. They get free stuff.

I don't get enough free stuff. We don't get enough free stuff around here. How do you guys do it? Well, first of all, I just caught a glimpse of a jersey. Is that a Seth Jones winner classic jersey? Dude, I'm telling you right now, DJ, when you guys mention on the show that you're buying a Seth Jones winner classic jersey, I had already purchased a Seth Jones winner classic jersey.

And I was like, I could not wait to have DJ on the show so that we can talk about the fact that we both have Seth Jones winner classic jerseys. I want the story of why you have a Seth Jones winner, two now, Seth Jones winner classic jerseys. absolutely first i'll answer roy's question we a lot of people don't understand that yes we do get some stuff sent to us but so much of the stuff on our set has been purchased by pete and i like it would be embarrassing if i told you how little i've netted from this show relative to what we could have netted if we did not buy stuff at every turn we go

we're obsessed with team stores we love it i mean who doesn't uh shan's caught the bug for sure we go like we went to a chargers game my chargers and we want nuts in that team store i'm a chargers fan those guys don't even care about the chargers and they're going nuts in there so yes we have uh we work with a lot of good companies and brands so we certainly do get some stuff But you would be surprised by the percentage of the stuff on our set that is just no sale just like bought out of pocket a hundred percent price from Pete and myself. As for, as for the Seth Jones winner classic jersey, I'm a Seth Jones guy, always been a Seth Jones guy. We had Emily Kaplan on last, yesterday, and she was saying, you know, like, nobody thought the Blackhawks were going to trade Seth Jones. and I was like, hand up two years running,

I've been saying a playoff team like the Panthers should go out and trade for Seth Jones. Like, I love Seth Jones. He eats minutes. I'm very big into very good players. Like, I love elite players. I love, like, top end players. But, like, Seth Jones is a very good player.

And when a big name or a high draft pick is not elite, people decide they stink, and that's just wrong. Seth Jones is a very good player. So I loved the Winter Classic jerseys last year, got that Seth Jones won after the game oddly. He was terrible in that game and demanded a trade following it, not long following it. But I still got it, and I loved it. I got the A-sown on it. It's one of my favorite jerseys.

And then when these Panthers' Winter Classic jerseys came out, which I think we can all agree are beautiful, I was like, I got to get one. I want to get a Marchand, and Pete and Sean were like, the hell you are. you're going to get another Seth Jones Winter Classic jersey so before I knew it in the mail was a Seth Jones Winter Classic jersey and I love it you're rocketed I don't wear it are you coming

are you coming for the Winter Classic like should we is this a matching scenario should we match for the Winter Classic if you're coming down what the hell is the matter with you brother I'm not I'm not as of this moment but something's come up where we might be able to go I think Pete has a scheduling thing so he can't go, and we don't really do stuff without each other. So I would guess I'm, I would say that I'm doubtful,

but if I go, we said the last winter class we went to, we're like, we got to also get tickets. We do the, of course, we go with credentials, and we sit in the press box, and it's nice. But one of the, I'm like, damn, like, I just want to be among the people in my Seth Jones jersey, just looking 100 out of them. 100. I like it.

What did you think about the Rangers win a classic jersey? I mean, all it is is just the road version of the Centennial jersey. Yeah, I mean, first time for everything, the Rangers did not do something interesting. It shocked me. I could not believe it. It is a good jersey, we have to say.

It's not very creative, but it's good. It's just like, I don't know, like, would you rather be the Rangers who have a 10 out of 10 jersey and will only generate do kind of slight variations of it or would you rather be the Celtics

who have a 10 out of 10 jersey and every now and then they'll be like we got gold jerseys now we got we got like black and green jerseys now and everyone's like worse that's worse don't do that so you're kind of damned if you do damned if you don't

so DJ something happened in the panthers game last night they lost to Nashville in overtime but I think it was in the third period Philip Forsberg tried something that is becoming fairly common these days, and it's a Michigan goal, and we'll put it up here for you. Bob defended it beautifully. It was almost reaction

for Bob to just pop his glove. As soon as he saw it was going on, right here, you see him. Before he's even snapped his head around, he already had his glove up. I thought that was perfect. My question to you is, is the Michigan now outdated? Is it over? Are we over it? Is it so easy that goalies have it in their repertoire to stop it? Do we need the

next Michigan? We've been trying to figure that out on our show for a while. Like, Is the Michigan over? I think it will honestly get cooler the more... Like, Philip Foresburg is no spring chicken. He's not old, but he's no spring chicken. I think that if it's not just the Trevor Zegraises and Connor Bedard's doing it,

I think that it actually becomes cooler and not in the way that, like, I think it's cool when I do six, seven as a 5,000-year-old. I think that if you have older players trying the Michigan, it's kind of interesting, but you hit on... what I like about it, our friend Steve Peters, who's one of the former Coyote's video coach, like the best hockey analyst in the world for my money, he has been very big on stand up, just like yelling at the goalies, like stand up, reverse VH has taken over the world, and you don't always need to be in that position, sometimes standing up is the better play.

And Bob didn't stand up, but at least he was accounting for the top corner of the net there, because you see so many goals that are now scored by players banking on a goalie being down. So I like that players are trying to outthink it. And I like the goalies now finally. We saw it last night with Bob are kind of starting to answer for it. DJ, your team, the Edmonton all is they beat the Seattle Cracken 9 to 4 last night. But the way the season is going, what are they doing?

it's weird because the panthers and oilers obviously are intertwined for a lot of reasons reasons that you lot probably prefer and that don't make me super thrilled but going into the year I was pushing the idea of a fallow year which in agriculture is when you don't plant anything and you don't grow stuff and you say you know what this year we're going to let the soil, like get all its nutrients back, be in tip-top shape for when we grow stuff again. And I didn't know if it was going to be this year, but I knew it had to happen. At some point, I didn't know if it was going to happen this year, next year, whenever, but at some point during the Marchion contract, we'll say the Panthers were going to need

to take a year off and a year off from like a deep playoff run and then come back strong and with a couple of new guys and kick the ass they typically. typically kick. What I did not expect is that a lot of playoff teams seem to be doing that. I don't know why. Panthers, you can at least understand it, given their injuries. The Oilers have been weird. The Jets have been weird. In the case of the Oilers, no one's going to remember this, but before the season, the athletic put out rankings, like statistical researched rankings on all of the strengths and weaknesses of all these NHL teams. And the Oilers were ranked the number one defensive team in the NHL, which I was like, I love the Oilers, and I kind of see why you

mean that they're a good defensive team, especially in the playoffs, because they shut that the hell down. I don't know if they're the best defensive team, but I guess we'll find out. They had been defensively dreadful this season, and there's been a lot of nights where the offense hasn't been there. I mean, when Jack Roslovick, who was basically a free player they got after the season started, got injured, I was like, oh no, there goes one of their best offensive players. So the short answer is the kind of cliche of not enough guys have really shown up this year. They were without Zach

Hyman for a while, but he's back and he's really starting to get going. Ryan Newton Hopkins was a big miss because he's been playing some of his best hockey of the season this year. So without him, that really, really hurt. They've been without Jake Wallman for a long time. Everybody makes it about the goaltending. And yes, I would love to upgrade the goaltending if I'm the Oilers, but it really is not their biggest problem. And I think it's such an oversimplification to blame everything on Stuart Skinner. Like, yes, he's got probably like an 890 save percentage, which is not good. Calvin Pickard's been way, way, way worse.

But ultimately, the issue has been team defense. It's been dreadful. The first half of last season, Darnell Nurse was one of the best defensemen in the NHL. That's not happening right now. Matthias Sackholm has his good days, he has his bad days. Evan Bouchard, as you know, has, he doesn't have good days and bad days. He has best player on the ice days, and he has unemployable days. So they've been inconsistent and or hurt.

I think they're going to turn it around. I think that they'll probably have a harder time turning it. And they haven't been playing good hockey the last few games at least. but I think they'll have a harder time kind of recovering from their early season slump than, say, the Panthers will, because I think the Panthers have some catchable teams in front of them. I don't know how many – like, there are some obvious ones in the West that'll drop out, but not a lot. DJ, one last thing before we let you go as we're getting shoot out of the studio here. Yeah, the Dono's out with pitchfors over here.

But no, I wanted to get your take on. You know, they're talking about how the Olympic ice rink might be too small or smaller than they attack. expected. We talk about all the time how much we love NHL playoff hockey, Stanley Cup playoff hockey. Could we be getting ice the size of the NHL, Stanley Cup type intensity, but with the Olympic type of gravitas attached to it? Like, I'm trying to spin this into a positive here. Well, I believe we're getting ice the size of the Stanley Cup. It's just shrinking it, just getting smaller and smaller and smaller, which Pete's very happy about that, because he's like small ice, small boys, put Cole Cofield on the team.

And he's rattling off all his short kings he wants on the team. Sean Moore wants, like, a bunch of Tage Thompson's, kind of crashing into walls, having stuff on that doesn't fit them. But I think that this is going to be – I mean, we all saw Four Nations set the table for what could be an incredible Olympics. The biggest problem, of course, other than the dinky ice, is that you can't fight in the Olympics. And I personally don't like fighting in hockey. I loved the fighting in Four Nations. It seems so much more genuine and the Kachuk of it all

I know that we're mad that the Kachucks have a podcast and that's the end of the world but I think the just the emotion that so many players across multiple countries have brought to this it's going to be amazing. I cannot wait. Pete said something yesterday about like

we should do an event, we should do a watch party for these and I was like no we shouldn't I want to go to a bar and watch with the people and scream my head off. I don't want to have any responsibilities. I want this to be a blast and I think it's going to be. I want to be drunk at like 11.30. I want to be drunk at like 11.30 in the morning, you know,

watching us play like Latvia or something. Well, you're not a alcoholic. That's a crazy accusation, right? That is a crazy accusation. Well, you get drunk at 11.30 in the morning. Flood a cornflake in it. All right. Well, DJ, we appreciate you joining us today as they just like that.

They're coming in. They're throwing us out, man. I don't appreciate that, but doing the wave. You're in Florida, too. So they probably have guns. Yes. Yes, they do. Stand your law. Stand your ground over here. If someone ever tried to kick us out of our office,

we just start crying and then they leave. Massachusetts rocks. Yeah, well, we do things differently down here. I can't stop looking at that Seth Jones, yours, by the way. It's a beauty, dude. Everybody's wearing them at the Panther games. They're gorgeous.

Yeah, everybody's running them. Yeah. Yeah, they're everywhere. They love... OZPicab, brother. DJ, thank you for joining us, man. We appreciate you. Hit that ice bath.

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And four of those came in regulation. In fact, if it wasn't for Nashville, they would have zero points in the last three weeks. They're all on home ice. Like, what happened? I said two weeks ago, you know, when the Panthers came off of that West Coast trip, that this would be,

this section of the season would be the one that turns it around for them. Excellent home team at the beginning of the season. 11 home games in 12 games. Yeah. And it has not worked out. It started out well. I mean, they won three of the first four, and it seemed like they were starting to get some build some momentum.

They were playing good hockey. They were figuring things out just in terms of getting the puck in the net. And whatever happened around Thanksgiving. I mean, it started with the Edminton game, but Bob was just bad in that game. Yeah. So he put them behind the eight ball right away. Then they got that big win in Nashville, and you're like, okay. You know, we're okay.

they're going to be fine and four straight home losses where two of which they had two goal leads yeah one of which did not have a top six forward and Carter Verhege as he went on paternity yes so about two days congratulations to the for Hagey family on the birth of a little boy yeah came back strong as a as I mentioned with DJ you knew he was gonna do it the baby bump the baby he was gonna do it yeah yes and ended up with a goal he ended up you have four or five shots in the first period yes In fact, I told everybody on Twitter, X, as it's called now, apparently, the baby upon theory. Like, bet on shots, bet on any time points, got a goal, and hit the shot threshold. In the first period.

In the first period. Yes. In the first period. So he got out of way. Maybe he should have scored in the third period. But, yes, he got it all out of way. So, yeah, the Panthers right now, just not looking good and hopefully they'll try to climb out of this hole. Yeah, it's just, you can only survive so much, right?

Like, Barkov and Kachuk is one thing. But then you add in Lusterainen, Kulikov, Gajov, Gajevich, Nosek, Schwint. There's one more. Is there one more? Lusirin. No, I got Gajovic. I think I got all of them. But anyway, it's just too much right now.

It's just too much. There's too much depth missing. There's calling up guys from, you know, rookies, Jack Devine. They're playing Studnika who hasn't played in the NHL in two years. Petrie got scratched. It's just Petrie got scratched for Subrango. It's just too much right now. Like there's too much attrition for the Panthers to handle.

I mean, you see a lot of these games, and it's like the Philly game I was at. They go up 2-0, and then they get dominated for two periods. And, you know, they go up 2-0 in the first period, and you're feeling really good. And then they get dominated for 2 periods, end up losing 4-2. The Calgary game, they go up 2-0 right out of the shoot. They get dominated. They end up losing 5-3. Like, it's the same game right now.

now, and it's very frustrating. They do not have the players to play their style of game. Correct. They're Gajovic, like, it's so key at the bottom of the lineup. Like, you know, they're doing as good as they can, but when you miss Gajavik and Nosek and then Greeter's playing up on the third line, which has been effective. Like, I love AJ Greer the way he's able to flip between the third and the fourth line, but it's just. Yeah, he had a rough night. Yeah, he had a rough night last night. Yeah. One really bad shift, the one where he took the penalty at the end of it. Yeah, two turners before that penalty. Yeah, that was, that was really rough. But guys, You know, the last time we had a show, I said, let's take a deep breath because they were playing well.

Let's take a deep breath because when you really look at it, there are five points out. It's December. A lot of these teams are playing at ridiculous paces, and they're not going to play at these paces all season, like the Flyers and the Penguins. You look at it right now, the Metro Division is the stronger division in the Eastern Conference, which is never really the case the last few years. That won't last. The Panthers are only five points out in the division to the Montreal Canadiens. I don't know. Is that sustainable? Is the Bruins having 32 points sustainable? No, they're already in the middle of the division.

We're at the point now where you can't just not write off teams saying, well, they're having a good start. You're going to 30 games in. You're right about that. We've got to start looking at some of these teams like serious contenders. The Panthers also have three games in hand on the Bruins and they're six points back. Oh, we're back. I know, we're doing it again. We're back.

But if they win all three of those games in hand, they're even on points. So it's like we're doing the math again. I know it's boring. It's annoying. Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it. And like I said earlier in the show, if they can just get to the Olympic break and be in striking distance, they'll make a charge late. They'll find their way into the playoffs. But right now it's frustrating. They're a hard watch. I don't enjoy watching the 2025-26 Florida Panthers right now. And how could you? They're missing seven regular players in their lineup. All right. They close out the homestand against Columbus and the Islanders. Now, that's far away. Two better teams than the Nashville Predators, who they lost in overtime, too. So whatever. We'll see if they bounced back from that loss.

They could not close the show against Nashville, even though Bob played pretty damn well. It's just too bad. Thanks to Mike Ferrentez and Jason in the back. Thank you to DJ Bean for joining us. I appreciate you. Brunner, thank you for joining us. And Ethan, good job. Rosie feel better.

That's David Jorak. My name is Roy Bellamy. We have two shows left this year. Two shows. So I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. And I hope that you will have great holiday season. We'll see you next week. This is the hockey show.

And hopefully the Panthers climb out of whatever the hell they're doing right now. This is terrible. Terrible. It's terrible, Ernie. Ernie. Hey, Kitty. Kiddy.