The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Hockey Show: Shutdown City is BACK

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

It's another edition of The Hockey Show, so David and Roy naturally start where everybody expects: the World Series! Connor McDavid was not happy about the Blue Jays game being shown while the Oilers were playing, and Ethan has a hot take about his reaction. The guys also discuss Jordan Binnington trying to bag the puck after Ovi founded the 900-goal club, Griddy being the versatile mascot in the league, and Roy compliments the Islanders! In wins and fails, the Florida Panthers are trendsetters, Sergei Bobrovsky shows his support for Hockey Fights Cancer month, and Nikita Zadorov learns that you do NOT mess with Matthew Schaefer. Then, Julian McKenzie of The Athletic joins the show to discuss the upcoming release of his book Black Aces and whether or not hockey really is for everyone. He may or may not be able to answer whether Anson Carter gave himself the nickname "Ace". Finally, it's time to venture into the Panthers Den, where the light is starting to show at the end of a tunnel after a big win Thursday night over the Los Angeles Kings. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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at the Hockey Show DLS We got TikTok at the Hockey Show 7 And on X, Instagram and threads at Hockey Show DLS. The Los Angeles Dodgers defeated the Toronto Blue Jays to win the World Series. It's a hockey show.

I understand that, but there's a hockey connotation to this. You just introduced the whole hockey show, and the first thing you said was the Los Angeles Dodgers. Yeah. You threw me off. Yeah, I'm sorry. Enough with the Dodgers. I'm tired of these guys. Thanks, Ethan.

I'm tired of. You're tired of the Dodgers, the winning. The pitch clocks. You can find all that on the pitch clock. And with Jeremy Tashet, Jeremy, thank you for doing. whatever the hell it is that you are doing back there. I don't know what you. Thank you. I love you.

That's great. I appreciate that. Shout out the hockey show. Thank you. Shout out the pitch clock. I mentioned the Los Angeles Dodgers because the Blue Jays are Canada's only professional major league ball club, right? They are. Yeah. So the series had the intention of the entire country,

especially game seven. So much so that they actually played game seven during the Blackhawks all this game. The entire game had on the Jumbo Tron. Game 7 of the World Series at Rogers Place. During the hockey game. During the hockey game. In fact, on SportsNet West, they got caught up in a moment

because they thought the Blue Jays had won in the bottom of the knife, but that is not what happened. Jopani rides him into the boards. Henry Greaves. The Blue Jays have just run the World Series. Or not? Or no? They're calling them out at home.

First out, two out, ninth in it. Wow. But I get it, though, because like the whole, everybody in the crowd got up and started cheering. Yeah. So it was like a fake break by the entire fan set. What a job by the announcer.

Like, that is so difficult. He's calling two games at once, right? He's calling the hockey game. And then also, all the people that are watching the hockey game, which are probably only a select few, probably care about what's going on in the World Series. So he's got to help them. know what's going on in the World Series.

He's calling two games at once. That's a very difficult job. But he didn't do a good job. That's the problem. I mean, it's pretty hard to do. Like, all credit to him, the fact that he was able to then just on the fly. The easiest thing to call is win or loss. Like, well, that was a close play at the plate, man.

Let's be clear. That was a close play at the plate. That was crazy. Well, you mentioned that everybody was watching the ball game at Rogers' place. And apparently that included Connor McDavid, because he, He got distracted during the Blackhawks' oldest game because he was busy looking at the Drumbletron watching the ball game. And he got distracted. And you mentioned it in the pro's game.

It was really, really strange. Obviously, we're all in the Jay's bandwagon and everybody's wanting them to win and it's so disappointing, obviously. But strange, strange to have it on during the game, listening to the crowd. It was distracting for sure. I'm glad they shut it off there for the third. When, when, you know, they're showing, they're showing it, not only showing it, but they're showing it with sound during the TV time-ups as well. Yeah. It was bizarre. Yeah, it was bizarre. I found myself watching the Jay's game. I'm sitting on the bench. You know, listening to the crowd while I'm on the ice, you know, what just happened.

It was very strange. But you know what? Historic moment. Couldn't be more gutted for those guys. You know, obviously we know what that feels like. You sure do. You know, for it to be the way it happened. You know, just completely got it for those guys. It's been a fun run and it's been a lot of fun. They've given Canada a lot to cheer about,

and they should be very, very proud of themselves. You know what I kept thinking as I watched that? What was that, David? As he kept talking, other than that he's really good at cleaning up his own comments. Yeah. You know who would not do that? What the elders did? Who's that, David?

The Florida Panthers would not distract their players. Well, because of Miami Mubles would not be in a World Series. Well, first of all, yes. But second of all, the Panthers might do that. But they wouldn't then go and complain about it afterwards. No, they wouldn't do that. Who hates fun more than Connor McDavid? Like, let the people at the game watch the game.

They care more about the World Series. There are plenty of people that probably felt like, hey, I spent a lot of money on this ticket. I'm going to put this ticket to use. This is good, hard-earned money that I put to use to go to this game. But I want to watch the World Series and know what's going on with Canada's baseball team. so hopefully they'll have the game on and they did such a millennial take and it's just what a loser like like let people have fun we get it it's a it's a game in it was november connor mac david it's like the 13th game of the year like let people have fun for once in their lives i guess losers know how to sympathize with losers man well they're currently in a wild court spot it's losers symbol yeah well they've lost back-to-back years in the stanley cup final just like the jays just did i mean they yeah okay sure the conference champions for back-to-back seasons yes and and And they're Stanley Cup losers, twice in a row. Okay.

If you're not first or last, Roy. I mean, at least you want to con smite. But whatever. Not a near... Go collect your trophy. Yeah, not here nor dare. Congratulations to the Dodgers, and we'll talk a little bit more about that, and our wins or fails.

But let's get over to Alexander Overskin, who scored his 900th goal. I say this as if this is a normal thing. I mean, nobody's ever done that before. Nobody probably will ever do that ever again. Well, every goal that he scores. from here till the end of his career will be the only player to score that many goals. Which is kind of cool. Every time he scores,

it's a historical. I think he can actually reach quadruble digits if he decided to play four or five more years. Is he going to do that? That's a big question, right? This is the last year of his contract. He slowed down so much. At this point, he's

kind of a one-trick pony, you know? Although he had two assists last night against the that was funny. He had the two assists, and Crosby had the two goals. That's like switching rolls there. Yeah, that's great. That 900 puck, the one that he scored, was swiped. It was stolen, or at least Jordan Bennington tried to steal it. The culprit was caught red-handed by linesmen. He tried to hide the puck in the back of his hockey pants as he skated towards the corner. See, he knew this was going to happen. I've got a really interesting thought here on this.

Jordan Bennington knew that he was going to give up Alex Ovetian's 900th goal. Yeah. He just had a feeling, right? So he goes to the game He finds a game puck He shoves it in his pants He goes out and he plays He's gonna sell on eBay So when Ovechkin gets his goal

He reaches in his pants Pulls out the fake Gives it to the official And now he will forever have Alex Ovechkin's 900th goal puck So this is like a home run ball That's caught by a fan A fan pulls out a baseball

It's the bait and switch What if he went for the fake But accidentally grabbed the real one Like there's two back there He's an idiot And that's all that's all there is too He's an idiot If that's the case

Look at him Hand stuffed down his pants like Albukey Look I've done that many times In my hockey playing prowess But it's usually just to stretch myself Yeah But like we need to hear from Troy and Binnington Because it's been a few days now

It's been like what two days I think It happened Wednesday Yeah Yeah We have yet to hear from him At all And whether he's gonna tell the truth Or whether he's gonna make something up

We gotta hear his take Didn't he say that he was going to give Ovecgen the puck back no matter what? Well, here's the situation. His plan was to give him the puck? No, personally? I don't know. I don't know. But he said he was going to give him the puck like he wasn't going to steal it.

That is so damn selfish, man. Just let the linesmen get the puck out of the net and have him toss it to the trainer. So they can put the tape on it and he can write 900's goal. How simple is that? That's just selfish on Jordan Bennington's part. Okay, so here's the quote. I figured I basically had an assist on the goal there, turning the puck over. I didn't think he'd mind sharing it. I had full intention to give it back

to him. That's a good quote. I like this little Pablo Torre finds out-esque video we've got going on here where we're really zooming in trying to get him red-handed here. Yeah, we see a hand. We see a hand. We see pants and we see a black puck inside those pants. Ugh, boy. I think it was just an honest mistake, honestly. Honest mistake. No, I think he was just, I truly believe he was going to give the puck back to Ovi. Bullshit, man. Bullshit. I always wonder if the linesman never went up to him, what would have happened? Oh, he would have kept that puck for himself. Like, screw of rescuing.

This is mine. You're not getting this. No, and then he gets, like, hitting the side later in the game. No, he gets a puck out of the refrigerator in the pony box. Like, all right, well. Ah, the puck fridge. The puck fridge. I'm going to do something that I don't usually do.

Smile? You can kiss my ass. But you're smiling. I have no choice for the smile. You shot me out there. All right, so I'm going to do what I don't usually do. I'm going to give the Islanders. A bit of props here.

They did a good thing. It has nothing to do with their roster construction. It has nothing to do with their play on the ice. It has everything to do with their concessions. Because they have a new item on the menu. It's called, it's a cinnamon roll, baking, bacon, egg, and cheese. This is a breakfast sandwich that they're going to sell in the concession. Oh, my God.

Cinnamon roll, bacon, egg, and cheese at UBS Arena. Wow. Aside from the egg, because I don't eat eggs. Right. But that looks quite delicious. Yeah. I'm a big fan of mixing sweet and salty. Yeah.

So... Yeah, it's not better than... No, I don't keep kosher, Ethan. So why do you not eat eggs? No, because I just don't like the way they taste. He doesn't like the texture. I didn't know if it was like a dietary restriction. No, it's a taste bud restriction.

And every few years, I'll try it because like the whole concept of eggs seems delicious to me. Like, omelets, mixing delicious food together? No, not really. Yeah. flavor. Yeah. So, yeah, I'd love to like eggs, but I just don't. So you don't like scrambled, you don't like omelets, you don't like, over easy, you don't like... Every couple of years we'll go to, like, IHop or Denny's, and my wife will order me, like, a little sampler of different eggs to try, just to, like, make sure that I still don't like it. Well, go to a good, go to, like, a high

quality diner. Go to, like... Yeah, like, go to Waffle House. How about that? Go over there. I mean, I never need an excuse to go to Wafel House. That's amazing. Roy, you know about that Mata bribi? You know what matzabri is? No. I know what matzah is. I don't know the actual

It's just matto baza and eggs or matta and eggs mixed up fried up, boom. Good. This is like the second day in a row that I'm hearing the word matzabry, which you don't often hear

and the reason I heard it yesterday was pretty, I was like just debating in my head. Do I share this little story? Yeah, I'll share it. Yeah. So my wife was, she met like one of her first clients yesterday.

she used to be an interior designer before we had kids and the way that she remembered this guy and his girlfriend at the time she's like yeah he showed me a picture of his girlfriend completely naked with Motsabri covering her privates oh man legitimately that's like verbat in the text I got from my wife yesterday and I'm like

A I don't remember this story at all and B this guy's like trying to get my wife into a threesome right that's why you show swingers well I'm saying why else would you show a naked picture of your girlfriend are you kidding me the hockey show every Friday. Ladies and gentlemen, that is David Storke.

We got to talk more about our personal lives, I think like. Yeah, that's great. Let's get into the mascots for a second. Specifically, the mascot for the Philadelphia Flyers.

Now, if you, you probably don't remember. I mean, who watches this show? But you probably don't remember us talking about Gritty a month ago when he was axedorn. That's right.

He is a accurate. He's a savant. Yes. He is very much a savant. All right. So he did this. without deadly weapons. He was at Wells Fargo Center throwing Nerf balls

with tailors at the end. Very accurately. He was a trash can. About, I would say, 6 to 8 feet away from the goalie crease and he's throwing it from his little platform from the second tier. The second tier. The second tier. Holy cow.

Of the arena and he was on target. How about the fact that he gets the first one and he missed the first two, then he gets the third one and he just starts nailing him? Yeah, it was the wind. It was definitely the air. He figured it out and he just kept hitting him. Amazing. Yeah. He's got an arm on him.

What is the job application, or what are the job qualifications when they hired the guy who plays Gritty? Because whoever's in there is really good at a lot of shit. I would say chaos. Yeah. You've got to be able to bring the chaos with Gritty. Yeah, prerequisite there.

He's like, he's clearly insane but he does so many things well. There's like, it's like Al Pacino. He's got a couple good ones. man, the fanatic and Gritty. The fanatic's also awesome. Is Gritty the best mascot in hockey? He might be the most versatile.

Yeah. We have to pause on that because we got to give Tusky a little time. I like what Tuske's got going on, dude. I'm a big fan. I wonder if Tusky and Ellie from the New York Liberty, if they got together what we're having. It should be interesting. Elephant Love.

Rose is saying in the chat, she should apply to be Gritty. I think she would make a great Gritty. She could be Gridette. She could be Gritty's wife. Like the Philly fanatic has a wife. She said chaos and crazy, as if that's not almost the same thing. I'm just saying, though. Anyway, it's time for Puck Luck.

It's sponsored by Draft Kings. Draft Kings, the ground is yours as I almost spill my water on the floor, David. No, I'm glad you didn't spill it. So am I. This week for Puck Luck, we have a four-leg parlay, so it's not for the faint of heart. Tonight, Chicago is in Calgary. I'm taking the Blackhawks money line. Calgary's won two straight after their horrendous

nine two nine and two, excuse me, two nine and two start. Chicago's coming off a big win in Vancouver, but the flames are playing well, the Blackhawks lost three or four, so you're getting good value with Chicago on the money line. I think they're going to take it to Calgary. And in that game, we're also taking Conor Bardard over two and a half shots. He's hit that number in nine straight. Roy, he is in Flago right now for Chicago.

He's really driving play. And another late game tonight, Winnipeg and San Jose, we're going to take Kyle Connor over two and a half shots. So many Conners. He's hit that number in seven of his past nine, and the sharks give up the second most shots on goal in the NHL. And then just to sprinkle a little bit more juice on this parlay, we're going to take the Jets' money line because the Jets are good.

The Sharks kind of suck. And, yeah, the Jets are coming off at 3-0 lost in Los Angeles, so they're going to be extra pissed. What are the odds on that? 6-10, plus 6-10. Odds always subject to change. Thank you for the reminder, Ethan. But I think there's a pretty juicy little parlay.

Subject to change. That was Puckluck, sponsored by Drag Kings. Draft Kings, the Crown is yours. We appreciate everybody who watches and listens to the show, however few or many that you are. You guys can ask us questions on our bastard of social media handles that I gave out earlier in this show. We have one from at Demon Hunter, M.O.G, who asks which goalie are you most shocked by so far this year? and it could be a positive or negative performance on the season. David?

It's kind of a tie. Jacob Dobish has been amazing, so I'm not terribly surprised. I did call it last year, and I'm going to dig that up at some point that he was going to be the next great NHL goalie. But Logan Thompson, 1.45 goals against the average, 938 save percentage for the capitals. Nobody's talking about Logan Thompson, and he is playing out of his mind right now. So for me, that's a big one. He did the same thing last year, Logan Thompson. like quietly was one of the best goalie.

Yeah, maybe, well, at a time, like, his numbers were as good as anybody in the league, and he's been phenomenal again this year. What about Lucas Dostel, guys? Yeah. How good has he been out in Anaheim? He is currently fourth in the league right now behind Spencer Knight at the top, then Logan Thompson and Connor Hellebuck in goals saved above expected, but of expected, with 8.7 goals saved above expected this year.

He's been awesome. That Anaheim team is so much fun, and it's not just that they're scoring. They're getting really good goaltending on the back end as well. They scored seven goals again last night. Yeah. I was going to mention that the Blackhawks, they're looking decent for what they should actually be, and they are pretty close to a playoff spot in the West.

They might be in the midst. Like, Chicago, like, I don't think they're hitting above their weight right now. I think that they're playing some really good hockey. Yeah, good for Spencer Knight, who is currently, and will be for a pretty long time their franchise goal tonight, and the Ducks are going to make the playoffs. Playing simple. So that's the situation over there.

Now it is time for Rosa in a minute. Rose is in Boone, North Carolina, and she has recorded her Spanish version of this. So take it away, Rosie. Hello, I guess this is a minute of here with Rose. This time we're going to goreys. The same thing that's, they gave him the fire, and they got a 5-1 to the Rangers with Blake Coleman again two days.

And Carrie, recalling, how she met a goal. Milagro. But then, the gas at the foot. They were four-three, onto Toronto, 4-3 in a shoot-out in Ottawa, and 4-2 in Nashville. Was that Huberdu and Saga Goro Orbari, appeared to not break the rishap. But when it was all, boom,

Hapertu met two goals and won't winters and won't finish. So, with two vectors, three derrottas, but at least the planes, single. Just that legation in Calgary and of a mal-emort. She apagued, and nobody knows when to explode. It's a little bit of hockey-polls. She was a small-pacion and a little bit of chaos,

person, implomable. Was that a bed? Was she lying in a bed? I think so. Looks like a hotel in Boone, North Carolina, probably. Oh, no, not the holiday end. Oh, no. Oh, my goodness.

All right, that was Rosa in Un Minuto. Thank you for that, Rosie. And now it's time for Rose in a minute. In her stead, it's Michael Frentes. Go ahead, Mike. Guys, my best friends here. It's Mikey Fuentes. I said, hey, kids, this is one minute of hockey with Rose.

And this week, we're headed to Calgary. The flames finally lit up the ice A 5-1 win over the Rangers With Blake Coleman scoring twice And Codry remembering how to shoot again Miracles do happen But then the gas ran out They lost 4 3 to Toronto

4 3 in a shootout to Ottawa And 4 2 to Nashville Though Huberto and Sherryganovitch I hope I said that right Trying to keep the spark alive And then when it looked When it looked like the fire was out

Boom Huberdor scored two more goals and beat Philadelphia 2-1 and finally bring some heat back to Calgary so two wins, three losses not great but at least the flames are still flickering let's just say the gas in Calgary's got

an attitude, turns on, turns off and nobody knows when it's gonna blow up that was one minute of hockey with Rose your weekly recap of puck, passion and a little bit of chaos the flammable kind standing ovation all right hand me that script

I'm gonna see the name that you butcher I think he was Edore Sharon Govich. Just like I said it, Roy. Awesome. Thank you. That's a perfect representation of Rose. She would have butchered it too. That was perfect. That was amazing.

Right this. Bravo, brother. Thank you for bringing us the updates from Tate McCrae Country. All right. Thank you. Mike, that was Rose in a minute. I appreciate you. Thank you.

Let me see this. All right. I have the script in my hand. I think she misspelled it. Sharon Govich, right? That's spelled correctly? S-H-A-R. No, that would say.

Spelled phonetically. Sharanadovich. Oh, no. All right. All right. It's time to get serious because we have a sponsor here is Eagermeister.

Because it's time for wins and fails. It's sponsored by Yeagermeister, serve it cold or don't serve it at all? Yagermeister. Damn, that's code. For more, visit yagemeister.com. Drink responsibly. She got it right.

That is how you spell his name. She copied and pasted. Dave, what's your mind? Good job. My win of the week is Rose for spelling Edor Sharon Dovich's name right, which I could not. done.

All right, so that's your first win. My second win, Cracken goalie Joey Decord. He's actually off to a pretty good start this season for the Seattle Cracken. The other day, he took not one, but two attempts at an empty net against the Blackhawks. Seattle, they're one, four one and two in home ice. They're good home team. But, dude, I love it.

He took a shot at the empty net. It didn't go through. And he's like, you know what? They're going to dump it in again. I'm going to take another shot. Awesome for him. And then he put up a tweet. Shoot or shoot

Yeah, man This man's... He's a goalie, being a goalie I love it I was going to say He's, oh, he's Choncy Billis buddy, that's not probably a good comparison right now

Yeah, maybe No, he's Robert Hoary That's what he is I say like the Wayne Gretzky quote Would apply really well For that situation Yeah, absolutely All right, my win of the week

comes from Dodgers Stadium As I mentioned earlier The Dodgers defeated the Blue Js in the World Series The Dodgers held their parade which eventually ended up going back to Dodger Stadium and former Miami Marlon Ki-K Hernandez

must have left his heart. The most important accent mark in the world. Daking Dave Damasek. He must have left his heart in Miami in South Florida because he had said something while he had the mic in Dodger Stadium that might be a little bit familiar

to Florida Panthers fans. And I want to take this time to apologize. To have to apologize. It's the movie fucking nobody. The Triple Champ just what the he wants. Cottover out.

Duses. Duses. I mean, he did a good job. I mean, he did what Kachuk, or what, was it? Sam Bennett and Matthew Kachuk. They both did it. Yeah. Oh, Bennett did it at the club, right?

No, Bennett did it on stage. At the parade. Yeah, yeah. He was the one that said. He was the first one. Okay. The double champ does what he wants. Now, I want you to keep it.

in mind that Sam Bennett and Matthew Kachuk did it the exact same way. But on Face Off, on Amazon Prime, they only took Matthew Kachuk's version. So it seemed to me like it was a bit rehearsed. Yeah, he had time to prepare. But he did a good job. That was the point I was getting to. He may have been pulling what they did, but he did well. Florida Panthers trendsetters. Yeah. Can you believe that? Championship trendsetters. I mean, if you're reading off of a script, and yeah, sure, Trince. Ethan, what you win? All right, I've got a couple of things this week.

First of all, I want to shout out my boys with the rubber puckies. Here's some video. My buddy Ross, this is his beer league team, and they actually got to play at Amarant Bank Arena last week. This is from last week, but here's him walking in. Look how handsome this guy looks. I mean, amazing, in the suit and the tie walking in. And then the boys were out at the arena playing on the actual ice where the double

champs get to play. So that was really cool. Shout out to the rubber puckies. Thanks so much, Rossi, for this jersey. I absolutely love it. And, of course, we got a rep. And if you want me to wear your jersey on the show, always, always send me any jersey. Ethan, I want you to turn around and show the camera back of your jersey.

They got your name wrong. Yeah, I don't, you know. It's like my pet peeve is when people spell my name with an eye, but it makes the jersey a little bit extra special. So I love it. And it's special. It came from Rossi. It's awesome. Shout out the rubber puppies.

We love our rubber puckus. The first person with the same last name. name and hockey nickname, they sound exactly the same, but the hockey nickname has the I and your last name has the Y. Well, my hockey nickname on our shirts had had the Y, specifically because I love Budski, yeah, specifically because I hate when people spell my last name with an eye. But again, this jersey's amazing. Yeah, I know. Well, you know, they gave the Russians a Y and they gave the Polish and Iowa. Like if you're going to be Sky. But now Sky. Yeah, but it's key. Our name also wasn't Bidowski when we came over to Ellis Island. But yeah, anyway, that's for another day.

I wasn't always at work. My second win, well, you were always a dork, though. We're a country of immigrants. I'm just saying. Yes, we are. Yes, we are. My second win in the week, this is extra special to me this year. Bob, every year, he does a hockey fights cancer. It's Hockey Fight's Cancer Month across the NHL. Sergei Bavrobsky, one of the best guys around. In October, correct? No, no, now in November. And so Bob's got his special mask that he rocks every month in the purple. And it's extra special because one of my friends, One of my dad's friends recently found out he had a, he has a brain tumor. Gabe from the Jekuzzi Boys, you know, Miami music legend, we're thinking about you,

buddy, and we love you. And I just wanted to take the time and shout you out because we're all thinking about you here at the show, and we love you, and can't wait until you make a strong recovery, hopefully. So hockey fights cancer month. It's the best, and it has a little extra special meaning this year, and I love what the NHL is doing. So shout it to Bob. He's the best.

We've all been touched by cancer. We've all had family members who have gone through that idea. I know my mom and my grandmother have gone. through the same thing. So it's really nice to see that the players are going out on the ice and showing off this initiative. So that's excellent. All right. Let's go to the fails. David, what's your fail? This one I dedicate to you, Roy, even though you were kind of nice to the Islanders over here. Hey, listen, it's the cinnamon. It's the cinnamon bun, right? It's a cinnamon roll, bacon, egg, and cheese. Yeah, I told you, other than the egg, hook me up. I'm,

Sounds delicious. Maybe substitute the egg for some sausage or a little extra protein or, you know, figure out out of that out of hot brown maybe. Ooh, a hash brown. Interesting. Salt with the salt with the sweet. Yeah, I'm telling you. Yeah.

Put a little syrup on there. Well, you might not need the syrup. No, no, you got the frosting. We're getting way far field here. I'm hungry. Yeah. My fail of the week dedicated to Roy. Yeah.

Another opportunity to shit on the Islanders a little bit. Or their fans, perhaps, as they were owned on social media by Nikita Zedora the other night. So Zadorov went after Matthew Schaefer. Don't do that. Don't touch the rookie. Don't touch Matthew Schaefer. Now, Schaefer, to his credit, he kind of went in looking for a little bit of trouble. So obviously the Islanders went after him, after Zedorov.

So did the fans of the Islanders on social media. They flooded his DMs with hate for what he did to Matthew Schaefer. So what does Nikita Zadorov say to them? Get out of my DMs and get to the rink. Oh. Oh, is that right? To cheer for your team. That place was a library tonight.

Hi, Barry. Oh, wow. Get your ass to the rank and cheer for your team. So nice try, Islanders fans, but I think Nikita Zedora, I've got the last laugh, both on Matthew Schaefer and on you. My fellow of the week comes from the Penguins Jets game and David as a member of the goaltenders union. This is a big no-no as Arthur C-Lawks went out to play the puck. That's your first mistake. Keep your ass in the crease.

He misplays the puck. It's taken away from him by Carl Connors. and Seeloffs threw his stick at Connor, which is an automatic penalty shot, and Connor made him pay. It was a nasty deak, completely deeked them out of his pads. So, yeah, as you say, stay your ass in the crease. Reminded me of the goal that I think Carter Verheedie scored against Boston in the playoffs a few years ago, where Alainis Olmark tried to clear the puck and he shot it off the boards, and it literally just went off the boards and went right back to him,

and Verheedie went around and scored. but I do not have a problem with him throwing his stick to try to try to stop a goal. Well, the league does. It's a penalty, isn't it? No, no, it's a penalty. It's a penalty shot. No, it's not a penalty. It's a penalty shot.

I don't have a problem with that, and you take the penalty shot because at least... I mean, you can stop it. Yeah. I don't have a problem with playing the puck. That was a big mistake. I don't have a problem with throwing a stick to try to stop the goal because you do whatever you have to do your goaltender. Yeah.

Ethan, what's your fail? Guys, I don't know if you saw it. We're getting really close to the Olympics, and Team Canada released their jerseys for the Olympics. And unfortunately, I am not a fan of this look at all. Let's put this up on the screen here. They went with a black leaf on the red jersey and the black jersey. The black jersey, for whatever reason, the material, it looks like a garbage bag.

No, you know what? It looks like the gimp suit from... That is terrible. It's really, really bad. And the biggest problem here is that they did such a great job. I should have put a picture in. But if you can kind of remember, or if you can go on your phone and Google it, the Four Nations look for Team Canada this year was so good.

They looked so great this year. Oh, oh, what do we got? Amina hasn't is totally wrong about this. You guys are nuts. You guys like these? Those are fire. No. These are too terrible.

Those are great. These are awful. How do these look good? How? No. The white is not horrible. But the white, the red stripes are two different colors. That black jersey is incredible.

The only suggestion I would have made was for the red jersey, the least should have been white, right? Or a white outline around it. But the black on black? Black on black is. I want one. Let me be Canadian just so I could get one at all. Their four nations look was so good. They just had to follow the template of the four nations look.

Let me be Canadian for some other reasons, but also for these jerseys. Diverse. A little Olympic patch on the side. The Olympic patch is fired. The Olympic patch is fire. That, I can't deny. You know what it is? I can't deny.

You know what this show is? What? Xenophobic. How dare you? We've loved Canada on this show. I mean, I love Canada. I love Montreal. Get out.

Sontra Bell. How dare you? Sondra Bell. All right. As I said, that black jersey looks like the gimpsuit. That's very accurate. Like, and those two different red colors on purpose. Seriously.

They had such a good thing going with their Four Nation look. It was so good, so classic. I don't know why they went away from it. All right. And I did just fill my water. If you are watching on. DK and you can log on to YouTube.com and watch

our next interview. This is Julian McKenzie. He writes hockey. He writes about hockey for the athletic. Julian McKenzie is coming up next. Have you heard of Goldbelly? It's this amazing site I order from all the time. You can get the most iconic, famous foods from restaurants all across the

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He does an excellent job, and he's also written a book that's coming out in February called Black Aces, essential stories from hockey's Black Trailblazers. And for that book, he interviewed a lot of people, including Jerome McGillard, Grandfure, Sarah Nurse, P.K. Suban, George LaRocke. Oh, I like that one. Anson Carter and Blake Bowden, who's a friend of the show. He interviewed a lot of others. Now, before I get into the book, this idiot in the other studio mentioned Sidney Crosby and Alex O'Bette. What did I do? I was editing something, and I heard this idiot in the other studio. Like, I was in a good move. I was happy.

And then you happened to mention Sidney Crosby, and now my whole demeanor is gone. And this brings me to something that I wanted to mention in A Block. The National Hockey League who continually stuffs this guy, Sidney Crosby, down our throats, for the past 20 years, has done it again. The NHLPR department who has a Twitter account posted this. Cindy Crosby scored his 10th and 11 goals last night.

It took him 15 goals. goals to score 10 or more goals with those 15 games. It's the third fewest games to reach double-digit goals for a player aged 38 or over in NHR history. You've already lost me. These are getting so specific. Like, what are we doing here? Stop! Stop! I'm sorry, I just had to get that out.

All right, back to the buck, Julian. But your question for Julian was, do these two hate each other? No, that's not my question. I just wanted to get off my soapbox I just wanted to get that out there so Julian one inspired you to write this man I'm confused about the hate for greatness of Sidney Crosby

it's a thing it's been since the show existed since the show existed we're a lot longer than that we need to unpack this because like as a Canadian who you know obviously has watched the Crosby versus Ovechkin battle

as long as those two have been in the league Like, I've grown to appreciate the rivalry. The fact that we have guys in the league at their pedestal who we could pit against each other who have also had their place in North American sports mainstream culture. Like, like, like, why are we hating on what we've got going on here? It's like the 99th time these two guys have met, including the playoffs. No, no, no, no.

Like, this is great. It's not the matchup. It's Sidney Crosby. That's what it is. You just don't like Sid. I don't like Sidney Crosby. So you're just mad about 2010, then? That's exactly what I was just going to say.

I'm still mad about 2010. I'm still mad about 20. I'm still mad about 20. I'm also mad about the three cupsies one and how they shove them down our throats and stuff. But for me, it all starts and ends with 2010. You're wearing a panther's hat. Of course.

You have two cups. You have back-to-back cups. Yeah, but that just happened. That's something my love. Listen, like, that's great for you guys. And I'll be honest. I'll be honest, I'll be honest, when he comes down and, brings us a third straight.

That's not happening. It's going to be like the Brad Marshall. Get that thought out of your head even. You're not getting me in on that. We get enough trouble on that on the Chris Johnson show with that. Don't do that. Listen, like Cindy Crosby was drafted 20 years ago.

Beforehand, the National Hockey League stuffed him down on. He was the next golden boy. It was almost like he was living up to that promise. What do you want him to do? Not. I want the league to showcase other players in this league. have this guy show up on my TV 18 times

a season for no apparent reason they didn't even make the playoffs last year yeah but their first place in the east right now if we want to if you want to have like a genuine discussion about this I don't I can that's what you have to understand about Roy

Mike has been dropped that's what you have to understand he doesn't want to have a genuine conversation what I want to know is no no no no this leads me back to my original question What inspired you to write this book? All right. What inspired me to write Black Aces?

I just thought it'd be really cool to write a series of profiles on important black hockey players. I was approached with an idea of writing a book in August or September, 2023, and the idea came to just to just came to my head. I was in the shower one day and it happened. And then I had the opportunity to approach a couple different NHL players and female hockey players. and ask them if they'd be willing to be profiled. And that's what led to Black Aces being a thing, getting an opportunity to speak to Jerome McGinla about his career and talking to other people about Jerome McGinla and his career,

like Sidney Crosby. Sorry to tell you. Oh, come on, man. Any excuse to drop his name. Good grief. No, no, but seriously, to get the opportunity to write that book and to write these profiles and to get other people to speak about their legacies and all these other different stories about them.

I wasn't sure if we had ever seen like a project of that size. We've seen other books where, you know, maybe two or three players might get profiled. But I think we've reached a point in the league where black people, there's been so many great players who have come over the last how many decades and have made an impact. It was just cool to have that opportunity to write about them. And even if, you know, not every single player is mentioned in this book, I've had people for the last how many weeks say like, oh, is this guy in it? Is this guy in it? Is this guy in it? I still hope people get something out of the people I've profiled. And that's, and I know you mentioned some of the names off top, but I hope people enjoy stories from guys like Tony McCagney, Blake Bolden, I know, was mentioned, but Kelsey Kozler or someone else, I think people will be really interested in learning about or Dante Abercrombie, who's in charge of a hockey party. program at an hbc u i hope people enjoy those stories too um not giving the book away but um you talked to all these people what was a particular story that you believe would be eye-opening i hope people

who aren't familiar with herb carnegie take something away from that chapter for those who are not familiar people regard herb carnegie as arguably the best black hockey player to never make it to the NHL. And yeah, there were opportunities, so to speak. But I think once you read the book and you understand further context, you'll know why ultimately his dream didn't happen. But I think the story that resonates with me the most, there's a story where he was, I want to say he was really young. He was in his teenage years. And he was playing for a local team that happened to be practicing one day at the Toronto Gardens. And the Maple Leafs for playing there at the time, and Con Smyth, who at the time ruled everything with the Trond Maple Leafs,

he's watching from a distance. He's watching Herb and his teammates practice. And the story goes that Conn Smyth got an assistant coach to talk to Herb and tell him that if the Leafs could find a way to turn Herb Carnegie White, they'd find a way to put him on their team tomorrow. Like, that's a really messed up story to hear. And while doing research for the story, I came across an interview that Elliot Friedman from Sportsnet did with Herb Carnegie, where he's talking to him about, obviously, his life in the game of hockey, his career over the last how many decades. And when they discuss that moment where Herb is being told by that coach about the story

I just told you, he gets emotional. He almost kind of lashes back, and he full on breaks down in this interview. So I really wanted to talk to Elliot about what had happened, and he was just so shocked about being in there, being there for that moment and obviously feeling emotional. And I hope that, you know, people read that story and get an understanding of how good Herb Carnegie was. I mean, the name of the book is Black Aces, and I thought if I were, if I were to do that book and not have Herb. Carnegie, who was considered a black ace when he played on an all-black line while playing semi-pro hockey up in Quebec. Like, what are we doing here, right?

So I felt it was really important to highlight his story. And I'm especially happy not only that his story is in there, but the way that chapter ends where you're highlighting all of these other different firsts from black hockey players, it meant a lot to write that chapter. Man, that is a backhanded compliment. and that backhand literally slapped him in the face. That's terrible. It's hard to hear.

Julian, the names of the people that you spoke to you, I mean, you talked about Herb Carnegie, taught, you know, Roy mentioned a bunch of more present guys, Jerome McGillengel, P.K. Suban, Grandfure, obviously, 80s. So what I'm framing is he talked to a lot of different people from a lot of different generations, right? Did you notice, like, the storyline, the experiences improving as we got more current with players?

or has it been more of like a steady pace of just unfortunate and I'm having trouble just like coming up with the right words but like did the way that the players of color were treated evolve as you spoke to people from newer generations or has it been kind of a straight line of not good I would say that there's definitely some sort of evolution I would I would the biggest thing I would I would think with some of the younger newer generation players. Like even someone like P.K. Suban, for example, who, like, I consider that as, like, my era when I was still a fan of a team.

That was a player. I was like, yeah, like, I want to be like that guy. P.K. Suban, when he enters the league, there are players who look like him that he could look at and be like, yeah, like, I'd love to be like, for an example, Kevin Weeks. He was at his camp once upon a time, right? Or other guys who came up from Toronto or Scarborough or any of those neighboring areas, He could always look at, for examples, when you think of guys like Jerome McGinla or Grant Fear, there were fewer examples of black hockey players. Like Jerome McGillow specifically had mentioned a few times that, you know, there would be people who would come up to him and be like, yeah, you want to play, but like there's no black hockey players.

Like, what are you doing? Right? Like, I think the most interesting thing is seeing the younger generation of players enter the league or want to play hockey. But they know that there are other examples that they could look at. Like, Sarah Nurse, like, looked at George LaRock as an example. Like, she's someone like, oh, yeah, wow. Like, that's someone I could play as in NHL video games. But also even to bring it to the women's side, too, like, I also have to mention, like, Angela James is also in this book.

Yeah. Now, this is someone who I needed to have profile. This is someone I was not able to talk to directly, but I was still able to get so many people to speak about her legacy. but we're talking about someone who was arguably the best at her sport at a time where you could barely watch it on television. And for someone like Sarah Nurse, they would have loved to have known who she was like as a player. It took them years after the fact to realize who they were.

But they were still able to watch women's hockey on TV during the O2 Olympics when that started to become more and more of a thing, right? Like I would say, and maybe this is a long-winded way of answering the question, but I think the biggest thing to point at in the event, evolution of older players to younger players, it's their influences and players who came before them, the example set before them. There's a lot more of that in some of the younger players compared to some of the older players profiled. All right, Julian, big question here. The book is called Black Aces. There's a very prominent Black Ace on NHL television right now. Did you talk to

Anton Carter about whether he gave himself the nickname Ace? So I'll tell you this. When I initially interviewed Anson, we talked about a lot of different things and the nickname did not come up. But someone, someone tweeted at me like, hey, you should get the nickname in. And I thought, well, you know what, it would be cool to see if we can get the nickname there. Um, not a, maybe, I mean, maybe it's a spoiler. Maybe it isn't. It's not that most, it's not that elaborate of a story. But it is mentioned very briefly how the nickname Ace came to be from. for Ansel Gardner. I'm hanging on the edge of my seat right now.

Did he give it to himself? I think you got to read the book to figure it out. Oh, there it is, there it is. Just to figure it out. I will read the book. I saw that coming up by the way. Absolutely. I'm going to let that hang.

John Cooper, John Cooper calling him out the other night was really funny. That made me think of it. That made me think of it. That was so good. At last check, there's about 7% of players of color in the National Hockey League right now. It feels like just above 50 players. We're looking at this at a grassroots deft here.

What are some suggestions that you might have for the game to grow to bump that number up? You have to find ways to make the sport more accessible. I mean, I think that's a pretty easy place to start. You look at other sports like basketball and soccer, you don't need nearly as much. to get into those sports in terms of an entry cost. And also, if we're talking about black people getting into those sports, it gets so much easier for black people to see themselves in the NBA or to see themselves playing soccer,

even Major League Baseball to a certain degree, just in terms of just the players that they've seen come before them, but also the cost. Like, in Canada, there was a point, I don't know if it's still the case, it might still be the case, where, like, you could spend as much putting your kid through hockey compared to, like, if you want to, to put them through like equestrian or horse jumping like these like hockey is seen it's it's obviously

seen as the sport in canada but there's so much that goes into buying equipment and and and putting them into registration for certain programs and if your kid is really good are you putting them in a high level training program year round or or or different parts of the year are you letting them, you know, pursue their opportunities to go play major junior or pursue the collegiate route. Like, there's so much that goes into putting your kid into hockey that, you know, just you get priced out if you are not a family that could afford that type of lifestyle. Like, even hanging around in NHL locker rooms where sometimes I'll talk to players and sometimes you'll hear them discuss like the cost of putting their kids into hockey. buying stuff for them like it's not cheap like i get it if you make a certain amount of money like you're not thinking about it that much but like if you're on like close to a vet min you're thinking

about it a lot more right like making 750 one mill like you're thinking about that a lot more even the fact that we're at that point is really surprising to me but i think um the fact that there are initiatives where you think of people like the hockey diversity alliance that are trying to make it a little bit more accessible for for for people of color to get into the game. Obviously, there's the player coalition that the NHL started as well. They're trying to do their work too. I think it's a combination of making the game affordable, but also accessible, and having players of color, having people of color, see people who look like them who are playing the sport and letting them know that there's a possibility where that culture can actually accept them, which brings us to a whole other thing about just the discussion of hockey culture as it is, right, where there's a lot of gatekeeping. Unfortunately, there's a lot of discrimination. still that persist. And it doesn't make a space like hockey, all that welcoming for people who look like you and I, Roy. So I think a lot of that has to change. It's a lot of systemic changes that have to happen. In terms of growing the game, building off what you were just saying,

how much do you think it helps that not just there are players that look like you on the ice, but when young fans are tuning in to watch on TV, they see guys like Anson Carter breaking things down. They can go on to social media and see Kevin Weeks breaking the biggest stories in hockey. So you would think that that would also help kind of open the job. game up for a lot of people, not just the ones that are playing. Absolutely. And if you are someone who recognizes from a young age that you might not want to, or you might not want to, or you might not feel you're able to play hockey at a high level, the fact that you're able to see a David Amber on Sportsnet or Hockey Night in Canada,

a P.K. Suban on ESPN, or Anta Kart, as you mentioned earlier, or even if you look at more like regional broadcasts, right, like Devante Smith-Pelly's done a lot of stuff on, on regional broadcasts, for example. Or Jean-Hont-Pierre has done work for the Columbus Blue Jackets, for example. Or back in Montreal, Georges Jacques hosts his own radio show and talks about hockey. Yeah, like it's so many different guys who have made their names in that space as black hockey players who have found ways into the media space. And I think that could totally resonate with young people who, you know, if they don't see themselves playing,

maybe an opportunity to cover the sport as another way. way in, and I'll go one step further, you know, Mike Greer as as GM of an NHL team. I've always been the belief where, yes, it's good where you get people who are featured on air or on ice in this instance. But if you get more people who work behind the scenes, that is a huge key. So seeing a guy like Mike Greer rise up to become a GM of the San Jose Sharps, seeing someone like Brett Peterson become an AGM with the Florida Panthers after being a player agent, or Eustis King who's a player agent, or John Jose, Tutu, another player.

like it's not just black hockey players or black referees you got to mention black referees too like oh yeah the impact of black people on the sport of hockey it's it's there it's it's apparent and it shouldn't be something that people have to go sifting through and looking for it shouldn't just be a thing where you know if black people decide we're going to go to a hockey game and we watch a game we're just like man it's just these white boys fighting each other no there's we exist we're in this sport there's a presence of us. It shouldn't. And the more that's shown at the forefront, the less

of a surprise it is for everybody. I was going to mention the executive level, with Brett Peterson being the assistant GM with the Panthers and the GM of USA hockey, with Mike Greer being the GM at San Jose. With Kim Davis being an executive vice president in the league office, and there's this one,

there's the Boyd family. Dr. Joel Boyd is the wild team physician. His entire family's in this sport. His daughter, Kendall, by the way, Seattle, probably the most progressive team that we have in this league. Yeah. Kendall is the Senior Vice President of Finance with the Cracken. Kyle Boyd is Seattle's Senior Director of Fan Development, and Casey Boyd also coaches

youth hockey in Seattle. So my original question was going to be, do you believe there's going to be an uptick of people in color in the executive branches in the NHL and its member clubs? I think the fact that we have presences already, I wouldn't be surprised, right? Like, whether with executives or even behind the bench, like we've seen guys, we've seen an influx in talented black people make their way in those realms. I definitely think we're going to see an uptick. How big of an uptick, that's a different question.

Whether slow, though, or faster, however, whatever pace we go at here, right, I think the fact that there is going to be something. something to look at in terms of progress is still significant. Like, how long until we talk about Joel Ward as a viable head coaching candidate, right? An assistant right now with the Vegas Golden Knights. Like, that's someone who could easily be in line for a job if an opportunity opens up, whether through expansion down the road or some other opportunity opens up.

I mean, we know how few and far between these coaching jobs are and how long the lifespan is for certain people. But I think we're definitely going to see some sort of uptick, whether it's a slow burn or maybe it's at a different pace. And that has everything to do with the people who are in place, but also the path that it takes for people to get there. Think of guys like Dante Abercrombie, as I mentioned before, working at Tennessee State who got to work with a guy like Graham Townsend, who worked as an assistant coach for the list as a skating coach. Like the fact that a path is laid out for certain people, expect more people to take that path. And finally, is there a moment in time in the National Hockey League where you can point to that you can really say that hockey is really quote unquote for everyone? Or has that feeling that happened yet? That's a good question.

I think there are moments, small moments where people of color can look at the game and maybe feel a little relieved and say, hey, you know, know what, maybe that is a good moment, but I think there's still so much to go. There's still so many ways to go, right? I think of a guy like Jibril Ture, who during a preseason game with the Ottawa Senators in the rookie tournament, you know, he gets into a fight with a couple guys on the Leafs. His helmet comes off and a do rag is on his head, right? Like, that's not something we're used to seeing and to see people be pleasantly surprised. Like, I remember talking about it with George LaRock and Devante Smith Pelly about it. They were pleasantly surprised at the reaction that people had

where it was overwhelmingly positive and of course there were negative comments to come that's the next step in all this like we have to find a way to see fewer and fewer moments like that but I think the fact that we're seeing more and more people at least it feels like that to me we're seeing more and more people be open to that type of progression

that leads me to think that maybe we're starting to get to a better place but there's still so many ways to go in terms of the sport being truly for everybody. And I think it's cool that there are people actively working to make that happen. Yeah, and this brings a memory for me. It wasn't not 30 years ago when for the first time ever I saw, and this is when Anson Carter grew his hair and George Lurrock were in dreads.

Never seen that in that sport before. And I'm sure nobody else has. that's that's like seeing stuff like that it matters to people and you know people get on and say like oh well why do people care so much about representation and blah blah whatever but like that stuff matters if you see it you can believe it right like i'm sure you've heard that before like that's something that matters to people and like you think i think of anson carter you mentioned ansin carter dreads i think of him at the o3 world championship scoring that overtime game winning goal for Canada

beating Sweden. Like, that to me is a hockey moment that I will remember forever. I was at my grandmother's house. She has a TV. She had a TV upstairs. I was watching that alone. The review was super long, like 10, 15 minutes.

Like, I think it's the longest review that's ever been done for a goal like that. But, like, the speed, the wrap around, everything. Like, that is a moment that sticks in my brain. And, And one of the most vivid things I remember is Anson Carter celebrating and his dreads just like flowing.

Like, stuff like that matters, I think, to a lot of people. It should matter. That kind of leads me to the last thing I wanted to ask you about, because we've been talking so much about growing the game and influencing young people. How did you get into the game of hockey? Because you're obviously extremely passionate about it and you have a wide, a vast, wide majority or knowledge of the game. How did you get into it, Julian?

I'm from Montreal originally and that's a city that considers hockey a religion You know you go to school Like growing up as a kid in elementary school All your friends are talking about hockey You turn on the TV Even if you don't have cable Hockey is on

Like I watched a lot of hockey on CBC Being in Montreal was super weird Because in the early days When if you were trying to watch On a certain channel in English Because obviously Montreal in Quebec is super French For whatever reason They weren't going to show a lot of Canadians games

they showed you a lot of Toronto and Ottawa games, so I watched a lot of that growing up. But if I wanted to watch the Montreal Canadians, I'd have to watch in French. And as I got older, and I continued to learn the French language more, I watched a lot of French language broadcasts where you'd watch the Canadians.

And that's how a lot of people, a lot of Anglophones who, you know, who happen to live in Quebec, who might not know the language as well, that's an easy way for them to learn how to speak French. Like, that helped me all a lot with learning how to speak French as a kid. So I think a lot of that had to do with my upbringing, the fact that hockey matters so much in the home city I'm from, and the fact that I don't know, just I embraced it for what it was because everyone around me embraced it.

And even like even if my family members were not always the most like devout hockey fans, like my dad and I will, we will watch hockey on TV sometimes together. My grandfather, he immigrated to Canada from Jamaica, and he ended up being a Boston Bruins fan. Like, you didn't see himself in the Montreal Canadiate's fan base. He saw himself as a Bruins fan. Like, hockey has just always been a big part of my life, and it has given me so much as a journalist and a soon-to-be author. So, yeah, it's just always been a big part of the video games. I didn't even mention all the NHO video games I play as a kid. Like, it's just been such a big part of my life growing up.

So, yeah, it's just, I think I think I had a lot. a lot to do with everything that was exposed to growing up. Black Aces, Essential Stories from Hockey's Black Trailblazers, that comes out in February. So please go and get Julian's book. It is going to be a good read for everybody. Julian McKenzie from The Athletic. Thank you for joining us. Roy, David, thank you so much for your time.

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Then the Panthers, since their 4-3 winning a shootout at home against the Dallas Stars. Went on the road. They have a four-game road trip, and they have completed two of those games. They lost the Anaheim, 7 to 3, and last night defeated the Kings 5 to 2. They played the sharks tomorrow, and they play at Vegas on Monday before coming back home. to have a five-game homestand starting Thursday, November 13th, and they have, what, 11 of 12 games at home once they get back. There's a little pesky trip to Nashville in the middle.

123, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. That's right. The home schedule is loaded in the first half of the season before the Olympic break. If you look at the home schedule after the Olympic break, the Panthers don't have a Saturday home game. Like, after like, January 31st, I'm pretty sure. which is crazy to me. Their schedule is really light at home in the back half of the season.

So it's good to load up on home points, and their road form has been tough. I mean, they got the win last night against the Kings, but that got them to 2 and 5 on the road so far. Not 2, 5 and 1. 2.5 and 1. Yeah. The last home Saturday game is January 31st. That's really weird.

That's what I'm saying? It's really weird. You know what that means? More time with the family. No more Saturday and night games. But yeah, they went into this Kings game. Coming off of a very poor effort. Yeah, I was going to say, let's talk about the ducks first.

In the third period, in the third period against the ducks, a very poor effort. They hung with them for the first two periods, and then the wheels just fell off. I mean, but Brad Moshion. It didn't feel like a Panther game, though. It didn't. It was too much of a rush back and forth. Like, that's not the game they want to play. No.

Gautier had a hat trick and an assist. He had a four point night. But Leo Carlson, who had two assists, hit to the head, had a, of Evan Rodriguez, had a match penalty for interference. and a game of conduct. Two goals in the second came within a minute 43, and the three goals in the third period happened within three minutes and four seconds. It was just a bad effort, except Brad Marshion and Sam Reinhard, who have been true to form so far.

Marchand's carrying the team, man. His offense has been so good. Yeah. They needed a finisher, and he has been the finisher so far, because Carter Verhege is struggling to hit the back of the net. Ryan Hart's finally getting going after a bit of a slow start. I think he had two in his first eight. He's got, I think, six straight games with a goal or something like that, maybe five straight games with a goal. But Marchand has been the guy from the beginning, from the

beginning that has just been finishing all of his chances. He had another snipe last night on a breakaway. He's just been awesome. And at 37 years old, like I don't think any of us expected certain, I mean, look, coming into the year, right, we thought, well, it would be Barkov and Kach, and they don't have either of them. But he has been the guy that has stepped up in that gap, and he's been phenomenal so far. Just thinking in terms of 37-year-old duos in the NHL, the Panthers have

Brad Marchand and Sergey Bavrovsky arguably two Hall of Famers. Is there a better senior duo in the league anywhere on the same team? It'd be hard to imagine. And don't shut the hell up. And to answer your question, Rhino has got goals in

five of six, and Marchand has points in six straight, and he's got six goals during his run. Sam Reinhard It's a Cy Young candidate right now. He's seven and one so far. He's got seven goals to his one assist. He is the Cy Young candidate early in the year. But he's been awesome. I mean, his defensive work is always going to be so strong. Now he's finally getting it going with the offense. And last night, guys, you know where the Panthers took the Kings in the third period. Thank God. Thank God. Finally, it hadn't happened. Their record is now 3-0 and 0 when leading in the third period, but it feels like they haven't gone to Shutdown City at all this year. But last night was prime shutdown city. Not only did they get the two goals, but it just felt like the Kings never threatened in that third period.

They had maybe one or two chances, and Bob was phenomenal last night. The power plays had me concerned. They couldn't stay out of the penalty box a little bit, but then Anton Lundell shut us all up with that short-handed goal to give them the two-go lead in the third period. But that's probably, as they continue on this trip, the thing that they've got to clean up is the penalties. Yeah. The penalty is in the latter third right now in the NHL. It hasn't been good lately. They allowed a power play goal last night to the Kings,

but they did get a shorthanded go from Anton Lundell. And the two bid kills late, so ride that momentum. Here's one concern I have as well as watching last night. The Panthers have one goal from a defenseman so far this year, and I think it has a lot to do with Barkoff missing because they're not trying to pinch in as much because they have to do a little more defensive cover because they don't have Barkie back to help them.

And look what happened. That Mikey Anderson passed that split Gustav Forsling and Aaron Eckblad and led to the Corey Perry breakaway, like that's not a pass that happens against the Florida Panthers very often. That was all the way up the ice from the, I think from the goal line to the far blue line. That was amazing.

Yeah, it was from a faceoff circle to near the blue line, Corey Perry caught that stretch pass. It just, what are we doing? That guy hates the Florida Panthers. Did you see him fighting at the end of the year? He was going at it with METILA during the game. Then he fought career at the end of the game. That guy, he hates the Florida Panthers, like so much.

And they hate him. I don't think they care. I think just like with anybody else, they just laugh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're mad? Okay. Two more road games for the Panthers before they return home. The Panthers are 5-1 and 1 at home.

You know, they better win on Saturday, dude. I'm sorry, but they're getting San Jose. San Jose will be on the second end of a back-to-back. Ford will be rested. Ford will be hungry. San Jose is kind of better than what we thought. I know that San Juan. Macklin Celebrini is currently tied for points right now.

He leads the NHL and points, right? did Crosby pass him with his two goals last night. He's right at the top of the leaderboard. He's going to make him happen. He and McDavid tied at the top of the lead with 21 points a piece. And then there's like six guys right behind him with 20 points. Yeah, so that's what the Panthers have to look forward to against the sharks before they go to Vegas and ending this road trip.

Thank God. All right. For Gino and Jason, for Ethan and for David, we'd like to thank Julian McKinsey for joining us as well. Rosie, I miss you. Please be able to get back home. because right now there's an air traffic controller shortage and it's going to be tough getting home. So please, for the love of God.

Yeah, they told me. So maybe I will not get home. They just drive, you know, North Carolina is not that far away. Yeah, I get, yeah, just drive, rent a car and drive home. Just get back. If you have to. If you have to. My name is Roy Bellamy.

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