The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Hockey Show: The Inferior Hughes

Episode Date: October 3, 2025

We are under a week away from the start of the NHL season and big contract dominoes are falling. David, Roy and Ethan break down the Kirill Kaprizov, Niko Mikkola, Luke Hughes, and Jackson LaCombe contracts in preparation of the new year. Then in wins and fails, Roy celebrates the Panthers' new video board, David shows an epic hockey fight from Russia and Ethan calls somebody over a foot taller than him a dork. Then, Adnan Virk joins the show to tell us about Canadian Thanksgiving, share his thoughts on some of the big contracts signed, and gives us his World Series pick. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and we start wrapping up the preseason right now on the hockey show. That's David Droke of the hockey news. Ethan's on the other side. executive producer's chair because Rosie or lead producer is still on vacation.

You need to come back quickly, girl, because I'm not good enough for you, Roy? No, you're not. This is the hockey show. My name is Roy Bellamy. We have a YouTube page, ladies and gentlemen. Please follow us there at the Hockey Show DLS.

We also have TikTok at the Hockey Show 7 and on X, Instagram and threads at Hockey Show DLS.S. Now, we get into contracts discussions here because following the Carrillo Caprisoff 8-year, $136 million extension, that's $17 million per year. And by the way, that led to this funny exchange between he and while general manager Bill Guerrin when they announced a contract. Big chair, big chair. It's excited.

Better be. dollars per year. That sounds like when you take your kid to like the pizza place and they're like, I guess I'll have pepper. You better be good enough. Yeah. Yeah. Grab your ass out to Pizza Hut.

You better like it. The richest deal in NHL history. Yeah, you better like that contract. Right. The Florida Panthers have also made a deal. They have extended Nicomico-Meco-Lis contract. He's going to be making $5 million a year for the next eight years at $40 million. Very good team-friendly contract.

that Bill Zito is signed and they're not going to be able to do that a lot further once the new CBA deal once those rules start kicking the next season. So I would say it's a great contract and probably the last one of the Panthers will be able to sign. No, guys can still

take team-friendly deals. I think the way that they structure the deals, I think that's kind of where we're going to see a little bit of flexibility as Bill Zito, as he did again with Mekyllis contract, the base salary, which is what gets distributed throughout the season, is just like a million bucks. Everything else is paid out as a bonus. Obviously, players are going to want to get a big

chunk of money every July 1st as opposed to getting, you know, smidens here and there. So a lot of the deals that he signed players to, I think they're pretty happy with it. But man, when you compare the Caprizov deal with the Mika deal and you get like one guy who's making more than anybody else and he gets another guy who's like, no, I want less money so you can make the team better. It's just like two different ideologies, and I'm sure we're going to get into it. But man, Bill Darren's probably just like, how am I just supposed to build a team when, you know, such a big piece of the pie goes to one guy? Let's talk about Minnesota. So I was listening to 32 thoughts this morning. Their contract situation is pretty strong surrounding Caprisov.

Boldie's on a really good deal. Faber's on a really good deal. Erichick is on a really good deal. They're all young and they're all locked up pretty long term and on good deals with the cap going up. they'll be able to have some flexibility around Caprizov and I think they already have a really good team I'm actually really excited about the wild this year like I'm very excited to watch this team I think they're going to be very interesting to me the more interesting thing is

and Roy and I kind of touched on this in our reaction video which you can watch on our YouTube channel you can watch we did a quick video reacting initially to the news as it broke David we didn't get to hear your opinion though how do you think this will affect the McDavid negotiation if at all I kept going back to, well, Caprizov is more valuable to the wild than he would have been to any other franchise.

And every situation is different. They had to keep this player. Obviously, McDavid is more about win now, try and build a team around me. Do you think this will have a big impact on the McDavid negotiation, or do you think it's just kind of something we should look at on its own? No, I don't think it's going to have an impact because we already knew McDavid is going to get as much as he wants, whether that's max value for a contract or whether that's, you know, leaving a little bit on the table to make the team around him better. I think whatever Connor McDavid decides he wants to do in free agency is what's going to happen. So I think Caprizov decided, clearly, I want the highest contract I could possibly get, and that's what he got.

And I'm very, very curious to learn how it plays out for McDavid because I want to know what he wants. Is he going for the big payday or is he going for the Stanley Cup? And based off what we've seen in the last couple years, I would think that he'd be happy leaving a few. million on the table to pursue a championship, because look how pissed off and upset he's done. And he keeps going back to, we have enough for this year. We have enough for 25, 26. Beyond that, I don't know.

Like, it's very interesting. Roy, I want to ask you about something. Do you think the Minnesota Wilde kind of put themselves in a bad position here with their owner coming out and saying, nobody can pay Caprizov more than we will? And then kind of, he was right. I don't know that anybody would have paid Caprizov more than the $17 million they did. I mean, he's kind of showing his hand there. He's willing to pay for Caprizov in that situation.

So if you're a Caprizo's agent, I probably want my hand a little bit greased on that situation because it seemed like he had some leverage there and he definitely took it as, again, he is the richest paid hockey player. A little bit more leverage than Sam Bennett gave his agent. Speaking of Sam Bennett, I want to get back to the Panthers here on players. signed long term on this club. They have 11 players signed through 2030. Alexander

Barkoff, Matthew Kachuk, Anton Lindell, and Seth Jones are signed through 2030. Brad Marshine signed through 20131. Gustav Forsling, Sam Ryanhard signed through 2032. Sam Bennett, Carter Verhegey, and

Aaron Eckblatt signed through 23 and Nico Miko with his new contract signed through 2034. 11 players signed long term, seems like they've got half the roster locked up. Yeah, and the cool thing about that, Roy, is they've got

all those, it's not like just, you mentioned any, those are like core players that are locked up for long term. The salary cap's going to keep going up. Yeah, you don't remember. It's up to 95.5 this year. Next year, around 104. The year after that, around 113.5.

So that's two years from now, where Zito could potentially have like another $15 to $20 million to work with. in addition to having all these guys locked up. That's got to be scary for the rest of the lead. Connor McDavid, come on down. Yeah. I think the biggest thing is the Panthers have clearly established a window

and they're not worried about what's going to happen after that window. And you kind of look at the way these things are going to age. They're going to have more and more salary cap space as these contracts age, which means these guys will start becoming the veterans and some of the new superstars that take place that hit free agency. Those could be the guys that they bring in to extend the window around the course. that they've had for a long time. I don't know because, I mean, if you look down on a farm, they're not exactly building. No, it drives up. And that's why they're going to have to go out and be aggressive in free agency. It's just interesting to think about what it's going to look like

six years from now. But I think the biggest thing is just the stability is amazing. You look at the top four. Gustav Forsling is entering the first year of an eight-year contract. Aaron Eckblad is also entering the first year of an eight-year contract. Then you go down to the second pair. Seth Jones is entering the fourth year of an eight-year contract, and Nikomikola has one year left before starting another eight-year contract. So it's pretty amazing the stability the Panthers are going to have. I don't know that I can ever remember if there's a precedent for a team having a core that's going to be together for as long as the Panthers will be. It'll be really interesting to see they like each other a lot now while they're winning, and I don't want to

say they're going to stop liking each other, but it's going to be really interesting to see a team staying together for this long because it just doesn't ever really happen, right? You know, I've heard of Core 4, obviously, that's Toronto. I've never heard of a Core 11. I mean, I never really seen a team that's been able to sign as many players in a long-term contract as much as the Panthers have. I'm trying to come up with like something alliterative that goes with 11 that would fit that narrative.

And the Evangelical 11, like I don't know. magnificent 11 or something like that. But it's not to be illiterative. It's not to start with an E. It'll be the elderly 11 by 2030. There you go. If I'm being honest. But it won't matter.

For Panther fans, it won't matter. If they get another cup after this or another cup or two, even, who's going to give a shit what happens in 2032 if this team wins four cups in a decade? It's not going to matter. Another signing that happened in the NHO this week, the devil's extended the contract of Luke Hugh, seven years, $63 million at $7 million per year. Good deal. Nine million per year, seven years at nine million?

Nine million, that's a bad arithmetic. That's a bad multiplication by me. He's because nine times seven equals 63. Yeah, well, there you go. When asked about his brother, his brother's playing with him, you know, Quinn's playing in Vancouver. There's too many Hughes's right now. Yeah, he's already playing with Jack, who's the devil's captain. When asked about all three of them getting together somewhere, somehow, he said,

I think the three of us would love to play together someday, but whether it happened or not, who knows? I know Quinn loves Vancouver, and he's the captain there. We love being here. You never know, so never say never. Now, Luke Hughes is set, you know, set in New Jersey. And their defenseman, the defensive corps is also set in New Jersey as well. They get Dougie Hamilton, Brett Picey, Brendan Dillon, Jonathan, Jonathan, Jonathan Kovacev, Yonovine,

You're on the Siegenthallor and Seamus Casey. So, yeah, that pretty much said. Obviously, what happened last year was, you know, they got hit with the injury bug and they bowed out early last season in Carolina now. How do you think they're looking? I'm excited about the devils because of how excited you are about the devils. Like, I honestly was kind of looking at them as like an afterthought almost.

But you've reminded me injuries decimated them last year. I like Jacob Marstrom. I thought he was great for them last year. they've got a lot of young, very high-end talent. I think, like, Timo Meyer is a good guy, good veteran guy to have that. I don't know. I think the devil's to be a playoff team. Good goal to be.

Yeah, for sure. So, Nico Heeshire, I don't think we talk about Nico Heeshire enough, to be honest. Like, the more I watch him, the more I'm impressed by his two-way play, by the little moves he can make with his hands. Like, I think a breakout year from Nico Heeshire would be in the cards in the not too distant future just because he's, that whole team is like, Yeah, the more I talk about it, the more I think that that team, yeah, could be a breakout team. Their forward depth is very top-heavy. Like, you look at the athletics season projections for them. Four, their top five are the only players that have positive projected net ratings.

And Stephen Mason is just 0.07. Everybody else, Meyer, Brat, Heeshire, and Hughes. Hughes leads the way with a 19.1. He-shur's projected rating is in the 88th percentile. Like, this is a very, very top-heavy team. things kind of get ugly in the middle and at the back end. What I'm really intrigued by is to see they're paying Dougie Hamilton and Luke Hughes $9 million piece now. They're kind of very similar players.

Nobody really knows who's going to be on Power Play 1. And it kind of seems like they've now made Dougie Hamilton expendable. A lot of people think that he could be moved here soon. I don't know that that's the greatest idea because I kind of like the idea of two pairs, one with Hamilton, one with Hughes, and the other with Siegantz. you know, and then you have Seagenthaler and Pesci matching up with whichever guy you like better there because that's kind of an offensive guy and a shutdown guy that you can match together. I think that can be the best way to line up.

I wouldn't move Dougie Hamilton. But to me, the more interesting discussion here is, does Luke Hughes deserve this contract? Because a guy will talk about next, Jackson Lecombe got the same contract as Luke Hughes basically, but he got one year more, the same A.A.V. And if you look at the analytics, Jackson Lecombe is a much better player than Luke Hughes. So my question is, with Quinn Hughes having two years left on his contract, Jack Hughes having four years left on his contract, or five years, excuse me, it's pretty obvious that the only way these three are going to get together is they come to New Jersey. So here's my question for you, boys. Does Luke Hughes get this contract if his last name is not Hughes? Probably not. Not this contract. It kind of seems like there's a bit of a tax here of we want to keep you around so that we. We're not. We're not. It's a huge tax. so that we can take a run at Quinn when he becomes a free agent in a couple years because otherwise

this seems like a bit. I know they expect him to evolve into a star, but he's had two like 44 and 47 point seasons, I believe, like $9 million. I know the cap's going up, but man, that's a big contract for this guy, especially when you watch Lacombe, who like I said, is a better player, get the same deal the next day. Yeah, I doubt that he would get that contract if he wasn't used. But you mentioned Jackson Lecombe. The Ducks also signed Mason Marchment. McTavish. McTavish. Marchments in Seattle. Sorry about that. McTavish.

Former Panthers on the brain. Yeah, I don't know what's going. They signed Mason McTavish and Jackson LaCombe. McTavish, six-year extension. Locombe, eight-year extension. But the Ducks played hardball with both of them. I mean, Jesus. So I think the Ducks are going to look better this season.

What do you think? I think Pat Verbeek, we've got to give them a little credit for being a little bit more hard-nosed GM than maybe we realized? I don't know. The Ducks, I'm curious because we know they're young. Obviously, you know, McTavish is awesome. Troy Terry is a quandary to me. I never know what to make of him because I feel like he's a good goal score,

but he's got his deficiencies in his game. Remember, they brought in Chris Crider. They got Trubo last year. They got a new coach this year that I'm sure we're going to be paying attention to how that goes. Cutter-Dothier is fun to watch. So I don't know. They'll be, I forgot also, one of our favorite guys is Anaheim to keep them on point. And that's Radhugudas.

Yes. So, yeah. The captain. Frank Petrono signed a long-term deal there as well, former Panther. Yes. Yeah, Frank, you had a good year for them last year. Yeah, he did. It's been a nice player.

It's interesting. Anaheim, you know me. I'm excited to see both of the non-playoff Southern California teams from last year. San Jose and Anaheim. Yeah, both could be vastly improved on this year. But, yeah, I don't know, man. What do you think about Anaheim? right? Do you have them as a perhaps playoff team?

Yeah, I think so. I think they might be close in contention for the wild card. So we definitely will look forward to the end of the season and see where they are. They're the hot pick. They're a hot pick to be a dark horse for a playoffs team. Yeah, and they have a little more excitement than the Flames had last year, and the Flames obviously took a run at it, just missed out. But, yeah, I'm very excited to watch Anaheim. I think they're going to be a really fun team to watch. And I can't believe you didn't bring up Lucas Dostle.

twerkey, your fraternity brother, your goalie fraternity brother. He was really good last year. His underlying numbers are insane, so. Yeah, good point. We appreciate everybody who watches and listens to the show. You guys can ask us questions on a vast array of social media outlets. And we have a question from at Ben from Wisconsin, with Kepreetz off signing in with Minnesota. Is he enough to entice bigger name, free agents to come and play for the while?

Now, we mentioned that he is making $17 million, and, you know, with the cap situation, $17 million is a pretty big, I mean, that's like, what, 10%? That's a spicy meatball. Yeah. So that's, they, will they be able to afford big name talent in Minnesota? That's the question, is what else are they going to be able to do to build around Caprizo? Like, obviously, if you have the opportunity to sign another big name or two, like you want to try to pull the trigger on that. but it's going to have to, that check's going to come do somewhere. And if it's going to come in your bottom six or in your final D pairing,

that can really bite you in the ass when the playoffs roll around and that depth gets tested. So it's going to be something to watch with Minnesota over the next few years for sure to see how that Billy Darren and those guys play it out. Another question from at Demon Hunter, M-O-G. Which team do you see as a pure bottom feeder going for the first round pick in the draft coming up? And obviously you know my answer to this. Yeah, I know your answer to this. I don't know if you're going to like my answer to this.

I think I'm looking at Chicago again as just another down year. As much as I love Connor Boudard and what he did there and he's fun to watch, there's not much around him at all, and they didn't do much in the offseason to add to that. So good luck, Chicago. All right. Obviously, my answer to that is Pittsburgh Penguins. I mean, they're a terrible team. So, yeah, look for the Penguins to be doing what they did.

actually I think the league's probably going to help them out too I was going to say like you think they're going to get that ping pong ball to yes they are there's going to be a folded corner on that envelope exactly what they did for Senate Crosby I mean that's how it goes in it they're going to try to save that franchise yet again it's time for wins and fails of the week sponsored by Yeagermeister Yeagermeister serve a cold don't serve it at all

Yeagermeister damn that's cold for more visit yagermeister.com drink responsibly. David, what is your win of the week? I'm struggling right now because I'm picturing Gavin McKenna in a penguin's jersey, and I'm like just, that right there is a little jarring to me. Yeah, we went to Penn State, so I mean. We are. All right, my win of the week, we got a goalie fight, and not only did we get a goalie fight, we got an, maybe one of the best goalie fights

I have ever, ever seen. Adam Huska, he's a former Rangers prospect. He's wearing white there. He plays for the Admiral Vladis Vladis Vlazvast. Yeah, you buried the lead here, Dave. We didn't just get a goalie fight. We got a KHL goalie fight. You buried the lead.

This is great. Wow. And then you've got Andre Misharov, who's playing for Avant-Garde Omsk, the home team wearing the dark. And the footwork, the edge work, like, their hands place, me. And this fight's going on. Like, we've been watching this now for like 45 seconds. That's a group.

Maybe the best goal. fight of all time. 100% my win of the week. That was awesome. Yeah, that looked like a legit street fight. Right? Yeah, that was it looked like boxes, like Clitschco out there. That was, oh, I want to watch it again. That was really good. Yeah, so the

Florida Panthers have officially unveiled a new scoreboard this week is rather massive. And for those who are listening on audio, David provided the specs on his write-up about it on the hockey news. The scoreboard delivers a total LED area of 4,762 square feet.

That's 180% larger than the previous scoreboards. That is a big-ass scoreboard, y'all. They got four screens under the scoreboard. There's a LED halo above the scoreboard as well, and the Panthers have added a second ribbon wrapping around the arena. So, yeah, they have made significant improvements on the in-arena entertainment area as far as the score was concerned. I took a video of it.

During Monday's win against Carolina in the preseason game. Not only is it a great video of the game-winning goal on the ice, but then you immediately panned to the scoreboard and got the whole scoreboard reaction to a goal, which is something that we're going to be seeing a lot of fans for the first time. So, like, awesome camera work by you here. I thought this was an excellent video

start to finish. Thank you. It was an Android. And as you know, the Android cameras better. I'm not talking about the quality. I'm talking about what you shot. I'm trying to give you credit, not your silly non-Iphone. Hey, listen, I'm a pretty good photographer. Thank you very much. Yeah, it's good work. Now, I mentioned all these improvements because the Panthers, according to Sportico, had their evaluation. The value of the franchise go up. In fact, it's at $1.89 billion now. It's gone up 51% from last year. That's $1.89 billion with a B. Ladies and gentlemen. they've gone up nine spots from last year.

So they're 17th now. They're in the middle of the league. Since the President's Trophy winning year, that's 2021, 22. The ticket sales have gone up 86%. Sponsorship's gone up 155%. Revenue from events other than hockey at Ameri Bank Arena has gone up 45%. Team revenue is up at $290 million. And 90% of their season ticket holders have renewed.

nude. Their value has gone up since the President's trophy winning year, 218%. That is the highest increase of any team in the NHO since that time, so all is well in Sunrise. Ethan, you'll win. Yeah, my winning the week, guys. I don't know if you were

watching this live, the baseball game that was going on at Wrigley Field. I think it was game one. And they did the promo for the NHL, and there was the whole thing with this guy. Chris Jellios was there. Yeah, blah, blah, blah. And he made a whole big deal about, oh, I'm so cool.

I'm not going to watch hockey. I got to watch playoff baseball, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, Ben McDonald? What can't you do boat? Oh, man. So, anyway, so that's not my win of the week, obviously. My win in the week goes to our good friend John Butchagross, who took to Twitter and dunked on this dork and said zero is also how many postseason innings Ben McDonald pitched in his MLB career. Score one for the hockey guys, Roy, I love it.

I love it. I love baseball, too. but why? Why take a shot at hockey? It's unnecessary. First of all, it looks bad for ESPN. It looks terrible. I'm sure their execs were happy about that promo. And it's just an unnecessary shot at hockey. I thought it was lame. You do realize that you just called a man who's six foot eight, a dork. You. Now, he shouldn't have talked shit about hockey. That's his bad, not Ethan. I understand. I will get on Ethan shoulders and we will take this down. Yeah, we'll take this guy down. We might not even be taller than him still, but we'll take him.

Little Jewish guys. Yeah, let's go twerkey. That's great. Shatavar. Six foot person. Oh, by the way, I hope your fast was easy yesterday and the day before. Thank you. Partake.

Yes, absolutely. You too as well. Thank you. You're welcome. Fails of the week, that goes to you, Dave. Nightmare fuel. My win of the week was like goalie beautician. I loved it.

This is goalie nightmare fuel, my fail of the week. The Nacker Rockers, who play in Division II, which is the fourth. fourth tier of ice hockey in Sweden. So these are my people. Last week, their goaltender, Adam Lindholm, received a scare that might cost some people to leave the sport completely. He took a slap shot to the mask that got wedged in his mask. That's not good.

He's lucky he didn't lose. That thing is so close to going through. If you guys are listening on audio, check this out on YouTube or look up the video online. It's scary. It's happened before. I remember when it happened like Brian Boucher. I think it was in a playoff game years back. but this, it happens rarely.

I've always made sure that I've got either double-barred or just the little tighter cat eyes. Not that I'm playing with anybody that could do anything like that, but good God, is that scary? So like I said, nightmare fuel, no thank you, 100% failed. The Ottawa senators should know better than the mess with the jack-eyes now. And obviously, they're new to Florian jack-eye, but Arbor, I mean, you need to do a better job than that.

This week, the Canadians played the Ottawa Senators and felt the raft of Arbor. and Florian Jack Guy. And Arbor embarrassed Zach McEwan. I mean, just completely embarrassed. Oh, we got dragged. Jeez. And Florian, absolutely. Yeah, of course he's pissed. He's like, put up a better fight. Yeah. And Florian ended up ragdowling Carter Yakimchuk. Yakimchuk, sorry, mispronounced his name. Yeah, he absolutely ragged down him. And it's just, these two guys. are going to be a problem for this league.

So my failure of the week, going to the Ottawa Senators for not knowing your opponent. Dude, that makes me think if the Canadians get in the playoffs again this year, that could be trouble. Yeah. That series against Washington last year was a pretty fun. That got chippy. So look out for Montreal. Yeah, that's going to be really fun to watch.

Ethan. All right, my fail of the week, excuse me, comes from a preseason game between the Devils, who we talked about earlier, and the Washington Capitals. Check out this breakaway by, I believe it's Chester Bratt and Luke and Jack Hughes. Three, four, five, six passes, five passes. And then Charlie Lindgren with a save. One, two, three, four, five, and a save by Charlie Lingren. Somebody's got to shoot the puck and bury it before that.

You got to go high. That's ridiculous. Why are you going low there? Too many passes. If this is what it's going to look like in the regular season for the Devils, I don't know about how we're feeling about their chances to contend. anything real. I know it won't. They'll clean this up. If the capitals are given up two on O's, I'm a little worried about it. Yeah, I don't like this either, but man, they were just

toying with Lindgren and they still couldn't get it past them. You got a score on that one. You got a score on that one. And he's a left-handed goalie, so he's not even win-milling the glove on that side. He's got a stick on that side. And he shot it right into his paddy, right? Credit to the go high. Credit to the goaltender for being in the right position when he just had to go back and forth like five times in the span of a second. But yeah, get the puck off the guys. I want to point something out. The Utah Mammitt have reconfigured the Delta Center, at least the ownership group has.

Yes. Yeah, they've been posting videos all summer. Yeah. And so the Utah Jazz and the Utah Mammoth are going to have some new sight lines. In fact, the area which was obstructing, like there's an obstruction near one of the nets. Yeah. They've reconfigured seats there.

And as you can see, it is steep. I mean, if you trip and fall, you are dead. If you are drunk, most likely you're going to trip and fall and you'll going to die. That's how high those seats are. I mean, it's like a mountain. It's going straight up.

That's what they have in Utah. So maybe the people of Salt Lake City are like used to steep inclines and climbing mountains and stuff. So maybe that's just like the home field advantage. The away fans they're the ones that have to worry. But the home fans, they'll be fine. That's ridiculous. But they've got more seats in there now, so

good on them. It's a little scary. You're going to throw up sitting in those seats, dude. Like my pew is going to play, you know, forward too. You're going to get Vodokos. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Mammoth did have an interesting season.

I'm intrigued by the Mammoth for sure. There's a lot of teams out west I'm intrigued by mammoth, ducks. I don't think the sharks are going to come anywhere near the playoffs, but I'm excited to watch them at least. When the sharks make the playoffs, I'm going to be celebrating like I'm from San Jose. By the way, just to touch on one thing,

clean one thing up on the wild. They're going to have $23 million in cap space next year, and they really only have one UFA that you would be like that's a hole you need to fill that you can't fill in free agency. Maybe like SACC Begotian is going to be. And then Teresanko, they have two forwards that they would need to fill. So they're going to have plenty of money to work with to build around Teresank. Excuse me.

To build around Caprizov, I think they're going to be able to do a really good job building that team. For those of you who are watching on Draft King's Network coming up next, we have Adnan Verk from Prime Monday Night Hockey. We are going to get into the storylines going into the regular season with him. At Nanverk is coming up next. This episode is supported by FX's The Lowdown, starring Ethan Hawk. Allow us to introduce you to Lee Raybon, a quirky journalist slash rare bookstore owner slash unofficial truth seeker,

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Now he's on our show, representing Prime Monday Night and Hockey. He is the studio host. His name is Adnan Verk. Adnan, what is your first assignment of the season? Roy, it's great to see you and David. Let's get to this right away. So I got officially the word that I'm going to the Major League Baseball Winter Meetings in early December. Oh, right.

There we go. What this means is specifically for David to go ahead and get the Panthers tickets now. Because I said, I need the earliest flight September 6th. I have a 7 a.m. flight, I believe I'm landing in Miami around 10. No, sorry. Shit, are we going to be able to meet this work? I'm flying to Orlando. Then I have to get the rental car and meet you guys in Miami.

Three hour drive. Which day? December 6th is a Saturday. Yeah, but it's a 3.30 game. Oh, yeah, I can do it. Okay. Land at 10 a.m. I'll get a rental car. Drive right there.

Meet you guys for the game in Southern Run. Perfect. It'll be awesome. We're doing it. The arena is right by the turnpike, so it will make it happen for sure. And then you do realize we're going to have to get you a credential, right? you want to be in the press. No, no, no, Adnan's sitting with me.

We're having beers in the seats with me and Adnan in the cheap seats. I've never been to a Panthers game. I want to see the Defending Steel League Cup champion with Badowski, David, and Roy. It's going to be awesome. Come on. And we'd go out after the game and have a drink. Yeah, well, some of us will have a drink. Well, maybe not too much if you're driving straight back to Orlando.

We'll figure. This is going to happen. This is going to happen. I think I'm going to try to do is this, David, do the hockey game with you guys, book signing with Stu Gauts afterwards, and then Orlando. could be dicey nice so uh what's your first assignment officially for a prime uh monday night hockey at nan you roy so uh i'll be on n hl network next thursday i can't wait obviously with the season kicking off on tuesday as we all know so seven next thursday nchl network and then the first

assignment for amazon prime money at hockey back home in toronto red wings and maple east per of a double header it is canadian thanksgiving october 13th we also have the conox later that night so i can't wait ban it's going to be a lot of fun as always these toronto maple lease fans are so delusional. They always think this is the year. So we'll get those fans fired up. It should be a lot of fun. As far as the Red Wings are concerned, still waiting for the eyes are planned to come to fruition. We'll see what happens their opening night. It'll be fun. So Thanksgiving in Canada, hockey, like I'm trying to think the American, you know, equitable, right? So football on Thanksgiving is like a religion here. Like people go to the games. It's Detroit. It's Dallas. So Thanksgiving hockey in

Canada, is it similar? Like is Vancouver and Toronto? Explain this to me because I feel like I should know this, but I have no idea. No, you shouldn't have to know it, David. And honestly, it's not quite the same. I'll be totally honest. I'm not just playing to the American audience. Growing up, US Thanksgiving was better because we'd get football. So I would go to school and I'd come home like, oh, Lions game at 1230, great. And then I watch the Cowboys at 4. And then later on, of course, now there's a third game being added, which is NBC, Peacock, or Amazon, whatever it is. So, yeah, in Canada, Thanksgiving, I mean, it's cool. It's always the first Monday in

October. It's meant to signal the harvest. And, you know, timing-wise, I would argue Canada's better because the spaces it out with Christmas. But honestly, you guys do it better because you get the football and the turkey and then John Madden getting after it. So no, hockey is not synonymous with Thanksgiving. I think Amazon's making a ploy this year to do so. But generally speaking, it is not the case? What do Canadians eat on Thanksgiving? Is it a typical Thanksgiving, like traditional American Thanksgiving meal?

Or do you guys have other things that you guys go to? It is typical Thanksgiving meal, Ethan. But I'm telling you, you guys, you guys do it right. Like, I remember growing up and my mom would get a turkey and it was good. Like, you know, I like the dark meat. It's great. Here, like, you go to someone's house and it's like six different types of things. You haven't had this stuffing.

You're going to lose it. Wait until you have the pumpkin pie with a vanilla ice cream. Oh, my grandma's pumpkin pie. That's up saying, Americans in Thanksgiving, like, it rivals Christmas or Hanukkah, like, whatever major festival you have. Like, U.S. Thanksgiving, that's like a number one seat for me. It's awesome. Turkey's overrated.

You shut the hell up. How dare you? Like, you want to hear it when I cooked my turkey. Oh, Roy, I've been trying to get my family to do a deep-fried turkey for years now. I didn't do a deep-fried turkey. Now is great-cody. Something different. We got to try something.

different because it's fine we're not like typical white people that don't season our turkey at all we season it a little bit but i need something different i need to try deep fried or like roy's got to make a bird for us something like that or we just go to ham and steak or we just go to ham and steak next year what is happening i'm just i'm done with turkey i'm over turkey i'm over it completely turkey is like the the star but it's not everything like you correct thanksgiving is putting on one fork a thing or turkey mashed potatoes stuffing veggies putting it all in one fork and eating it at the same time. And that is the deliciousness.

My mouth is watering. I can't even finish the sentence. I'm just saying that we need a new star. We need a new star. Speaking of stars. I'm just saying. That's just poor coaching. You've got a good player.

I'm just not coaching them up. Speaking of stars. You haven't had my turkey. I would love to have your turkey. You can ask anybody in that office. No, I would love to have your turkey. No, you can ask anybody in that office. Because I cooked the turkey for everybody in that office, how good mine was.

It's a citrus forward. turkey there's everyone in that everyone in the office nobody's here but it is not a single okay speaking of stars adnan had something though what ad nan what did you have to add there

I'm trying to do this segue I know what I'm saying turkey sometimes if it's not the right is too dry like the first thing you see is a guy adding ketchup you go okay clearly the turkey was not chup who's adding ketchup to turkey I know cranberry sauce if anything yeah great Danny canal who I worked for the

DSPN for many years proud Florida State guy I've seen him add ketchup to turkey and I was like wow that turkey is far too dry It's almost as bad as putting ketchup on steak. Almost as bad. That's worse. Yeah, it's worse.

But it's, ew, what are we doing? I'm speechless. Cache up the... Yeah. Well, he's offended. Yeah. Okay, so speaking of stars, let's talk about the Caprizov-McDavid's situation here.

Caprizov's contract, he gets $17 million. McDavid's still in negotiations. We think, we don't even know if there are negotiations going on. Adnan, to transition finally into hockey. how do you think the Caprizov situation is going to impact the McDavid situation, if at all? Yeah, I think it's fascinating. Ethan, listen, $17 million a year.

I immediately said to my buddy, Jason DeBerz on our podcast, and he's on scripted, I said, is he overrated, underrated, or properly rated? And he goes, he's properly rated. I said, okay, 17 million. You think he's one of the best players in hockey, then he's like, yeah, at the age of where he is and the ascendant rise he's on.

For Minnesota, it makes sense to get a superstar player, and I do believe he's a superstar player. So, all right. And now impacts Connor McDavid, especially after next year, UFA, Kyle Connor, I mean, there's other guys now you'll see that salary bump. For McDavid, and again, I know we've talked to this before with you guys, I still think the most fascinating situation is this, which I don't think happens, which is that he just plays out the entire year old out of contract.

I think that'd be amazing. Like, just a lame duck situation. He's like, no, I want to just finish the year and see. I mean, he'd lose his mind with all the questions he'd be at every major city he'd be going to. Connor, what about signing here? What about signing here? But I do think that the Oilers will sign a two-year deal, maybe a three-year deal, 18 a year? Can we do three for 54? Is that possible? Something like that. I mean, I know they're up against it. He's going to swallow the rest of the cap. But Caprisop just made it that much more expensive for the Oilers. But again, my wishful fulfillment is just he plays up the year. It'll be a LeBron type saga. I'm taking my talents to South Beach. I don't think it happens. But it's going to be fun to see. It's going to happen.

All right. Alexander Bachar visited the, visited Miami Heat at their training facility. This was at FAU. And Miami Heat head coach, Exposter said that he talked to Bachov. And he said, he said, that he will be back in five to six months. Yeah. I think it's way too early for anybody to know that right now. Like, he just had surgery a week ago today. We're sitting here a week ago right now talking about how he was going under the knife as we were talking. Until his knee heals to the point where he can, well, first he's not be able to put all his weight on it, which he isn't doing yet. He doesn't have to stay on it.

Then he's going to have to push off on it. These are all steps that are going to be happening as we get into like Christmas time and into January and hopefully like he's on schedule. So nobody knows if it's going to be on the early side or on the late side. It's impossible to tell. But let's be optimistic. I'm down for that, but we don't know. But to David's point, it's one of my great frustrations in sports. What happens is a guy gets hurt and he goes, oh, that's four to six.

I'm like, you don't really know. And I'll tell you, in the baseball playoffs with the Blue Jays, Bobuchette went on the IL September 6. They're like, oh, 10-day IL knee contusion. I go, yeah, that's what you think. But like, it could get worse. It could be worse than they're letting on. Now it's Yankees' Blue Jays starting Saturday. It's been a month, and there's no guarantee Bobbushet's playing.

So I'm with David, especially with hockey and injury of that size. Five or six months sounds great because why? You can say, oh, he'll come back in March. He'll play like 15 games he's ready for the playoffs. Or he comes back in April. He'll play five games. He's back to the playoffs. No guarantee of this.

Yes, fingers crossed. We'd love to see Barkoff back. It's going to be a battle. It's a war of attrition for the Panthers every year to try to win a third straight cup, already with a Kachuk out until December. But yeah, if Sposed an expert, let's hope he's back in five or six months. I'll take it. All right.

So, Adnan, no Kachuk, no Barkov. are the Panthers still potentially a Stanley Cup contender with Reinhard and Bennett and Marchand and Neckblad and Forzling and Bob and they've still got a stacked roster. Where do the Panthers line up right now today? Again, David, I still feel like no matter what, until you get beaten, I'm riding with the Panthers, but you're taking out two enormous pieces.

I mean, Kachuk, as I said, we'll be back. But as you said, right now he's not there. And who knows what kind of hole you could dig the first couple months of the season. I still think they have more than enough firepower and a staunch enough defense and a great enough goaltender and Bob that they should be fine. But we saw this last year. Like it wasn't so critical to win the division.

It was more important for other teams to do so. Leaves from the division, fine. Paul Murray says, like, yeah, whatever. It wasn't that they're playing possum. They just want to make sure that they're healthy come playoff time. And sure enough, it didn't matter if there's home ice advantage or not, they could win. I do think the road gets tougher every single season.

Every other team is gutting for them. They're the, you know, the hunter or not the hunted. So I do think the Panthers still have the team to beat. But yeah, if you tell me, Kachach's injury is worse than expected, and Barcoff's definitely out for the year, that road becomes a lot much harder. Another thing that I wanted to get to, and Roy kind of alluded to it before,

and I think Ethan actually mentioned it too, are we going to get a Hughes super team in two years, potentially in New Jersey, because that's where, you know, two-thirds of the Hughes's is, are signed. But is that like, I feel like we're kind of dancing around it right now, but are we lining up for a Hughes super team

in the Metro, New York, New Jersey area? this hughes not queen hews getting that kind of a contract i'm like holy moly the devils are willing so much money into dougie hamilton and the inferior hughes i mean the rumor has been for a while the inferior hughes title of the episode the inferior hughes all along david the rumor has been the hues all want to play together and why not i mean i'd love to play with my brother if i was good enough at playing hockey that'd be so cool family affair i think the vancouver and ox will do everything in their power to make sure that doesn't happen they'll all offer Quinn Hughes Moon. He can have

whatever Mountain he wants named after him in Vancouver. Like, let's figure this out. You are a franchise generational player. Unless he says no matter what, there's nothing you can do. There's no price you can pay. I want to play with my brother's period. It feels like I don't know that the passion necessarily for that. It feels like that's the way it's leaning.

Like everything I've heard as far as rumors, innuendo, they want to play together. That's their dream. It's like Gordy Howl playing with Mark and Marty Howe, all those years later, you know, the Whalers. So it feels like it's leaning, but again, Vancouver will do everything in their power to make sure that doesn't happen. The law from the moon. Give him the Caprizov contract.

I was just going to say, I see Quinn Hughes like a Caprizov situation. They have to keep that player. They can not lose that guy. They will revolt in Vancouver. I want to ask you off the Hughes contract. Another contract we saw signed the next day was Jackson Lacombe. Same A.A.V. One more year. A better player. Statistically, a better player, Jackson Lecombe, than Luke Hughes

gets basically the same contract. I want to ask you more about Anaheim, though. They're kind of a hot pick to be a dark horse in the playoffs this year. We were talking about them earlier. You agree? Do you see that this team could really push for the playoffs under Joel Quenville? Well, again, Ethan, your point, Lecombe, where he's at right now? I mean, 24 years of age.

That's a good contract for a guy who's coming into his own. I do think Mason McTavis signing was important. He didn't want any sort of dissension there. I think he's a key young piece. They're clearly in win-now mode. I mean, you get Joel Quenville. There's your head coach. And I think like a Terry Francona in baseball,

Q comes in there, that's going to improve that team. I thought a year ago, they were adventurous and on the rise. Now you trade Zegris, which could be addition by subtraction, because clearly he'd fallen in a favor there. I think the Ducks challenge for a playoff spot. I'm not maybe as bullish as my buddy Jason Demersis. He thinks they're a playoff team for sure. But I think Ethan they'll contend for a walker, definitely team on the rise,

a good coach, good young team. It'll be fun. Are there any unsigned free agents out there that you can see being signed? I mean, and that includes Carter Hart. Yes, I was about to say. Carter is the only one, Roy, and it's like when this whole situation, hat with Hockey Canada. He's the one guy they go, dude, he's a good goalie.

Like at one point, they thought, and thought he was the franchise goal tender. And then I think he dipped a little bit. But overall, it went from like Carter Hart, to generational goalie, to he's great, to he's very good, to he's still good. To still now, I mean, he should have a job in the NHL. If all things are being equal, Carter Hart can be a starter some places, can definitely be a backup for almost any team. And the one thought I had was, you know, Edmond, too, it makes so much sense.

He's from Sherwood Park, Alberta. But I think because of the trial and the negative attention associated with it, It's almost like Carter Hart can't play for a team in Canada. Whereas if he's playing for, I know the Dallas starts of Jake Ottinger, but let's suppose it was Dallas. It's like, well, who cares? They don't know what happened to play for the Flyers. He had some trial.

Something happened. Oh, he was acquitted. Okay, whatever. Like, he's our goalie. I was, I think in Canada, it's such a sensitive issue that entire trial faced so much scrutiny that I think it'd be a different story. So Carter Hart is going to be playing hockey. I think Carolina Hurricanes are deafly in the mix.

It was one of the teams that I read. Las Vegas is in the mix to sign him. He's a good goalie. And by all accounts, he's a good guy. Again, I don't know what happened with that situation. Clearly, you know, his record has been tarnished, so to speak, but they've been exonerated for now. He's going to play hockey. He's good enough to play hockey in the NHL.

So I want to talk to you real quick about something that I'm guessing you have some privy knowledge to. And that's the new Anaheim. Anaheim. Amazon, NHL behind the scenes show that's, I think it drops today, does it not? That's correct. So I was lucky enough to see a little bit ahead of time, as I'm guessing you have to Adnan, the Four Nations episode had me feeling like

I was watching it for the first time again I was like my heart was beating I was just like so into it what have you seen what do you think and what should people be the most excited about yeah David I don't want to be a total company show but it's outstanding

and when we had the Amazon meetings in September in Toronto they unveiled that episode you're talking about and it was unbelievable I know how much you guys were into it Ethan Mike Ron everybody there in Montreal I mean just seeing the Kachucks behind the scenes like

I can't get enough for Brady Kachach Chuck, man. Yeah, that's right. It was the Brady-Tichuk episode that did the Four Nations. I'm calling it the Four Nations episode, but forgive me, Brady. But Brady is, like, such a showman, right? He's just funny. He's great for the game.

And he lets you in. Like, there's nothing unvarnished about him. It's like, yep, this is who I am, love it or not. And, like, seeing those fights unfold and seeing his dad, he could just watch in the stands. And I'm telling his wife, don't worry, there's going to be more coming. Like, it was, it was, it was, it was awesome. It's highly produced. It's really well done.

I saw a bit of the William Nealner episode as well. The one I really want to see is stuff about Crosby because for a superstar, I know Roy hates him for good reason, but for a superstar, there's really not a lot. We know a ton about Crosby, right? He's from Cold Harbor, Nova Scotia. He's a nice guy. He stayed with Mario Lemieux, the first couple of season in the NHL.

That's about it. Like, you don't really know a ton about him. So I'm hoping with this face-off series, he finally lets us in a little bit, let's us see what is Sydney Crosby's life all about. But the Brady Cichuk episode, fantastic is what I saw. Yeah, it's cool. Sorry, Roy, to touch you off.

I am not interested in this, Crosby. Anyway, go ahead, Dave. No, what I thought was really cool about, because there was, I believe the sixth episode is called like the Rat Kings, and it's all about the Panthers and the final and all that. So we see a lot of the Kachucks. I love how the family dynamic works, says they're all very, not very different, but

they're all very particularly different in that, you know, Matthew's a little bit more of, I guess, like a wilder one where Brady's a little bit more reserved, but then when he get him on the ice, he's a madman and hearing Big Walt talk about them when they were at the final game where Taylor Swift was, where he's, like, given his wife and his daughter's shit because they're looking for Taylor Swift and he's like, I guess I'm the only one that's going to watch my son play hockey. So it's just so funny to me. I just love having those looks behind the scenes, even if one of them may be of Sidney Crosby. I'm sorry, Roy. But I love when we get to see behind the curtain. This show has done such a great job

of that. Did you guys get to see the Johnny Hockey episode? I heard that one. I want to prepare my, like I feel like I need to be sitting in a dark room when I watch that. That's that's going to be profound. That's going to be impactful. Yeah, his widow has been so passionate and outspoken just about Johnny's impact and like you know sometimes in these types of tragedies people just fade away right people don't want to deal with anything and just just want to move away but they've done such a great job honoring Johnny's

memory and being so forth about it I'm sure that's going to be a three-hanky weeper for sure yeah all right the season starts on October 7th that is Tuesday and the Panthers will raise their Stanley Cup banner on you know it starts on Saturday right the sun starts on Saturday

what's that even the NLDS the AALDS This is the hockey show. We're moving in the baseball playoffs, baby. Adnan, real quick. Who's your World Series pick? You know, I'm calling Phillies Blue Jays. Yeah, I like it. Yankees.

Let's go, Yankees. Let's go. Happy wife, happy life. Come on. I think the Phillies are going to win the World Series as well. Though I will obviously be rooting for my country. Saturday, Ethan, which is where I thought you were going with this, is Kaine Seminels. Oh, who gives a shit about that.

Everybody not from Gainesville. I'm sorry, you guys are bad. College football's dead to me. Baseball is what I'll be watching. Okay, all right. He wrote the book, Cineafoul, interviews, essays, and tells from the red carpet.

You see him on MLB Network. You see him on NHO Network. You see him on Prime Monday Night Hockey. And you'll see him in South Florida, the beginning of December, December 6, Panthers Blue Jackets. No, I can't wait. This is going to be awesome.

And, Ann Burke. Ladies and gentlemen, he is coming down, and we are going to party, or at least watch hockey. By the way, I love the hockey show, the name, but now that David mentioned the Rat Kings, It's a pretty good name if you guys want to steal it.

It's taken, though. It's taken. Can't you. I can show this. Thanks, Ednan, for joining us and thinking of a brand new name for this podcast, even though we are now two years in. Thanks, guys. Appreciate you.

Thanks again, the Adnan, Burke, for joining us. We are almost there October 7th, Tuesday. That's when we dropped the puck on the regular season, and we're going to see the Panthers try to three peat. And this one's going to be the toughest test yet. They're not going to have Alexander Barkoff, Matthew Kachuk, Thomas Nosek is not going to be there So the fourth line's going to get hampered a little bit.

So yeah, it's a bit of an injury bug before they even get started. It'll be that much sweeter when they get it done. Yeah, so we are looking forward to that. For Ethan, for Danny B, for Jason in the back, for Rose who was not here. That's David Jorke. My name is Roy Bellamy.

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