The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - The Hockey Show: The Panthers Are Up Against It (feat. Steve Levy)

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

It's another episode of The Hockey Show and the full crew kicks off the show discussing the changes to the NHL All-Star Game and Winnipeg's new KFC which celebrates Jets' star, Kyle Connor. In wins and fails of the week the guys break down Mikko Rantanen's epic run in the playoffs and discuss the questionable embellishment call on Evan Rodrigues in Game 2 of the Florida Panthers' series with the Toronto Maple Leafs. Then, ESPN's Steve Levy joins the show to discuss who he sees as the favorite to win the Stanley Cup, Tom Wilson's impact on the Washington Capitals, his relationship with Barry Melrose and Ethan updates his Top 5 This is Sportscenter commercials. Finally, David, Roy and Ethan break down what the Panthers need to change to get out of the 0-2 hole they find themselves in against the Maple Leafs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

To support sustainable food production, BHP is building one of the world's largest hot ash mines in Canada. Essential resources responsibly produced. It's happening now at BHP, a future resources company. This is The Hockey Show. My name is Roy Bellamy. Roy. That's David Jork right there. David. David. In the other studio, that's Ethan Padalski. Ethan. Ethan. And our lead producer. Rose. Rose. Rose. Rosarius. Coming up today, if you're watching On Draft Kings Network, we have Steve Levy. He's the studio host for the NHL on ESPN. And we are going to talk to him about the playoffs. So if you want to watch

that you can go to the YouTube page for LeBreton and Friends, click on our folder on the playlist tab. Yes. We are the hockey show. We are the hockey show. That's on there. I'm very excited to talk to Steve Levy. I think both of us, we kind of grew up on that era of him on ESPN. Yeah, we had Linda Cohn. We certainly have had John Butcher-Grass on the show many a time. So having the Sports Center alumni like we've had is- Tapping into our childhood. Yes, tapping into our childhood.

I have a conspiracy theory that I want to float to all three of you guys, including you, even though you don't know anything about hockey, Rosie. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I know Barkey. Rose knows conspiracies. Yes, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey be all-star weekend they have replaced the all-star game with a Winter Olympics kickoff event at UBS Arena. The All-in-us were supposed to host the all-star game right and again my All-in-the-Streak has somehow continued into the second round of the playoffs I have no idea how they just won't go away they just won't go just stay in present in your mind yeah yeah rent free

Kathy Hockle who is the governor of the great state of New York, wrote a stony worded letter to the National Hockey League expressing her bitter disappointment about the league holding a lesser event at the arena. It was a good letter. It was a good letter. They put a lot of money into that arena. I understand why she's probably upset. The taxpayer dollars went into that arena. I understand why she's probably upset. The taxpayer dollars went into that letter. Yeah, and that letterhead is expensive. Mainly because the league did not have any

engagement. They did not talk to any government official about changing the event. This came out of the blue. This came at the last minute. We knew when the Olympics were going to start, but they decided, hey, we're going to switch up. I'm guessing the success from Four Nations and how everybody just loved it across the board had a little something to do with that. Yeah, that, yeah, that is also a good point, but she has not seen it that way. She wants something. She doesn't care.

No, she wants money. We just built this arena with the pre-stipulation or whatever that there's going to be an All-Star game here that's going to bring in a lot of money. It's a weekend event. It brings in fans from every team. So I can understand how she's a little upset, a little salty. Who is she? She is the Governor of New York.

I think we should just bail on the All-Star game. After what we saw this last year, have a little warm-up tournament for the Olympics. Maybe not a tournament, but a couple of games, like a showcase. You know, they used to do that where, you know, before the 1980 Olympics, the Soviets came over, played the NHL All-Stars. I think it would be really cool, you know, after the success we saw of the four nations, if you just kind of capitalize on that, maybe you have a two of three warm-up series with the USA and Canada something like that like you don't want something too physical so that teams don't go to the Olympics and get hurt but I think the idea of the All-Star game is dead and

you can have a weekend where you can bring people together and you put it in one city and you say this is where it's gonna be but I think the idea of the All-Star game skills competition all that stuff after what we saw last year, it's time to just move on. It seems like it's going to be on rotation. I don't think you're off with what you're saying. I think the point of this is they're pulling the rug out from under somebody that they already promised it to.

If you want to get rid of the All-Star Game, fine. The Four Nations was awesome. We've had a lot of fun with different ideas. However, you don't promise it and take it away and I think that's kind of the issue here is it comes into a big financial issue. The thing is, the All-Star, I remember one player, do you remember that one player that he was not even interested in playing? The Art Ross winner. Yeah, he was like, I don't want to participate so I don't think the players are into it. So if they're not into it, I don't think we need an All-Star. Well, Kuturov is, isn't he Russian?

So he wouldn't be able to play anyway. He would only be able to play if it was an All-Star game. Have they decided if Russia's allowed to play in the Olympics yet? I don't think that decision's been made, right? It's probably gonna be like what they did in the last Olympics, one of the Olympics. It's gonna be like a representation of those athletes. Olympics, it's like gonna be like representation of

those athletes. The current political landscape would lead me to believe that it's not going to change. But you know, that's way out of my pay grade. So I don't know, I'm definitely just kind of outsider looking in in that politics conversation. But it seems that since the last conversation was had, things have gotten worse and not better. Yeah. Oh, oh boy. Back to my conspiracy theory.

Oh, yeah. We got it off track there. Great start, guys. Yeah, so Governor Hockle wants something the size in the All-Star Game, or at least something the size, I guess, of Four Nations. And Gary Bettman has said that they are committed to hosting an event in 2026 and 2027. So that leads

me to the NHL draft lottery that happened on Monday. I see where you're going. The New York Islanders had a 3.5% chance of winning the uh the lotteries. That was the 10th best odds of the group group and they won the draft lottery. So let's connect the dots here. The NHL changes plans on next year's All-Star Game due to the Render Olympics. The governor of New York gets pissed. They paid a lot of money to build that arena.

The Islanders win the draft lottery and may host, may host some sort of event, maybe an All-Star Game if they go back to it, maybe another international event like Four Nations in 2027. as well as 2026. Is this a frozen envelope scenario you're suggesting here, Roy? Yes, I am, except they use ping pong balls in this situation. So maybe it was a frozen ping pong ball. We kind of saw the whole thing happen, which I know is a little clunky, the presentation of it, but I thought it was really cool to actually see how the process works and watch it go down. But it was a good broadcast.

The new format, I liked it for sure. The ending was, I mean, but that's what you want. You want something unsuspected, right? You want a surprise. This particular surprise though, I don't disagree with you, Roy. It definitely smells a little funky. It's not a surprise.

Two teams got rewarded for having good seasons. I mean, maybe not great seasons. They didn't make the playoffs, but the Islanders came close. The Utah hockey club, now the Utah Mammoth, came close to making the playoffs and they both got rewarded. Where was this when the Panthers were the first team out of the playoffs for like 10 straight years? Where was this luck for the Panthers back then? I'm going to say something. No, they were busy trying to build up the Penguins. You're not going to like what I'm going to say, but nothing is luck in sports. Because in sports there's so much money, everything is meticulously planned.

That's why I think the Edmonton Reuters are going to win, because they were down. Whoa, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, The Edmonton Reathers are gonna win because you said that they were done. Now that they're back, they're going all the way. But I think they're gonna win because it's gonna be a perfect movie just like Tom Brady. They made Tom Brady win everything. Come on.

Sports are all planned. Except for marriage. Yeah. Oh no. I'm not getting into that one. We're not getting into that. But sports, it's all planned. Stop making me think about Bill Belichick

and the whole situation, because I know this is the hockey show. I was so obsessed with that outside. You are not gonna bring that image in my head. We are not gonna do that. They knew that we're gonna get it. What was it, Ethan? We're on the missionary.

We're on to something. We are not, no, we're on to hockey. No, we are on to Winnipeg. We are on to Winnipeg, and we are going to check out the fast food scene up there. What happened? Apparently there was a KFC that has rebranded itself in celebration of the Winnipeg Jets advancing to the second round.

They have rebranded themselves, I don't know if they have a name or not, but they have branded themselves, at least logo is consumed, as Kyle Conner. KFC, Kyle F. Conner. Kyle the Kyle Conner. KFC, Kyle F'ing Conner. Kyle F'ing Conner. That's what it is. I'm not used to calling them Kentucky Fried Chicken anymore. Yeah, Kyle F'ing Conner. The fact that they're leaning into it,

like it's an F'ing, which it's fine, obviously. But the fact that they're leaning into that, that's where the F is, I love it. Yeah. It's so cool. But Gretchen looks like you. It Yeah, it's so cool way cooler than McDavid's. It looks like you It looks like you Doesn't look anything like David at all It does Different hair colors, different faces

No no put the cartoon again Doesn't look anything like David at all To describe what's going on here On the bucket of chicken? Yeah, on the bucket of chicken Should we try to get one of those buckets rose because they look at that to describe what's going on for audio That looks nothing like David's work that looks nothing like David's work they get car Connor's silhouette What they usually have is the Colonel? Yeah, what's the little Colonel bowtie and everything? Yeah, so conk on is wearing a helmet and he's over the bowtie

Which is usually on the colonel And apparently you could take the bucket that they usually put the chicken and put on your head That's pretty good brand with David. I I kind of want one of those buckets now alright. Let's go Do we know anybody in Winnipeg? No we don't I do of course you Do know somebody from Winnipeg make some call they don't Rose. I do know somebody from Winnipeg. Make some calls. They don't live there, but I know somebody from Winnipeg. Guys, come on. Let's do it.

Come on, make some calls. We probably know somebody that will be in Winnipeg to cover a hockey game in the next week or so. That we probably do know. Let's go to wins and fails brought to you by Jägermeister. Serve it cold or don't serve it at all. Jägermeister, damn, that's cold. For more, visit jägermeister.com, drink responsibly.

David, what is your win of the week? My win of the week, Rose, is the Edmundson Oilers. Since Rose's proclamation that they were Dunski, not only have they won six straight games, but they've won six straight games while coming from behind. It's an NHL record. It was an NHL record when it was five games. They are so much fun to watch right now.

It's exciting, it's great hockey. I don't know what to think in terms of a final rematch. We'll see if the Panthers take care of business tonight and get their shit together. It's your fault, Rosie. It's your fault. Can we all agree that the Oilers have been incredibly fun to watch over the last couple of weeks? They're terrifying. And the most terrifying thing about them is these six comeback wins. McDavid has one goal and it was an empty netter.

This is all for you, DJ. You like the Oilers? I did it for you. My win of the week? You like my production? It's been a long-held stereotype that Canadians are exceptionally nice people who don't get angry easily unless of course you put tariffs on them and try to make them the 51st state of the United States of America. But hey that's what hockey show we talk about hockey. But they can be hilariously passive aggressive as proven by the signs made by this Toronto Maple Leafs fan prior to game two between Toronto and the Florida Panthers. One sign that he held up said, I hope every flight Sam Bennett ever takes gets delayed.

And the second sign said, Matthew Kachak brushes his teeth with two hands, basically calling him a Neanderthal. And the second time said Matthew Kachak brushes his teeth with two hands Basically calling him a Neanderthal So I mean those are very sweet Angry signs. Yeah, I hope is this not I hope his plane crashes, which is what most Would say no, but I hope he gets a flight though. That's sneaky though. Like that's you know, that's very inconvenient Frustrating what's your win of the week?

My win of the week goes to a guy we've talked about a lot on this show this year, Miko Rantanen of the Dallas Stars. He is quickly becoming the story of the playoffs and it started really in game seven of the first round against the Colorado Avalanche. His former team, where they were down two nothing, he scores twice,

an unbelievable wraparound goal here, and then he assists on the third and go-ahead goal, and then how does he finish it off? An empty netter to secure the hat-trick. Haunt. Send home the Colorado Avalanche, his former team. And? The Carolina Hurricanes could really use a guy like Miko Rantanen, and the Colorado Avalanche could also really use a guy like Miko Rantanen. But of course he wasn't done there. And he wasn't done there. He scored.

On the golf course. He had scored or assisted on, I believe, 12 straight goals for the Dallas Stars, which is a playoff record. He's the story of the playoffs right now, and if Dallas wins, he's gonna be the ConSmith winner. So he is unbelievable and proving a lot of GMs to look very foolish for trading him. How does that guy get traded twice in a season?

That's insane. Back to back hat tricks. Natural hat trick in game one. Giggity, giggity. That's some good stuff there for me to write in. So yeah, you deserve the revenge tour there. Rosie. Ba-da-ba-da-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba.

My win of the week is at 30. What was the one and only Kailin Clark. Oh, oh, look at that. Look at that. Oh my God. You can boss it there. Okay. All right. All right. All right. Let's move on to the fair. Thank you. The collective fail of the week. I should say, because we firmly disagree on what happened in game two. Never has there been more agreement in our group chat. Yeah. I have another fail, but yeah, you can go. Well, let's get to our fail first, because it's a giant fail.

Yes, go, go. All right, Scott Lawton hits Evan Wright Reeges from behind along the boards. That effectively is boarding, correct? That's in the rule book. Yes. That's not what was called. What was called was embellishment on Evan Rodriguez. If you look, if you've seen the highlight, if you've, if you're watching right now, this is embellishment. He gets boarded, which is not called, crushed into the boards. He's laying down on the ice. It takes a while to get up, and then he ends up leaving the ice,

going to the locker room, and they call embellishment on Evan Rodriguez. How in the world is that embellishment? It's not. He got hit really hard, his face went into his stick, which was in his hands, which protected him from going face first into the glass. He was not a safe distance from the boards,

that's the whole point of the rule. And fine, whatever, it didn't even get called boarding at the time, but dude, embellishment, like, Paul Maurice said he got no explanation. We haven't gotten an explanation. It's ridiculous, one of the worst calls I've ever seen in my life. It's been bad officiating all playoffs,

and that's just, that's top of the list. The embellishment as a call doesn't make sense when you call a penalty with it. And they did it there. That's the first time I've ever seen that. He didn't get a minor for hitting it. Nobody went on the power play there. So I didn't understand what happened.

It was two separate, it wasn't even a double minor. It was two separate, in the penalty sheet, it was two separate roughing calls on Scott Long. Whatever the case may be, embellishment doesn't make sense. They call it sometimes when there's an actual penalty, which you can't sell a call if it's an actual penalty, and then sometimes they don't call it when it's an obvious flop. It's been outrageous in the playoffs. Rosie, fail. Okay, let's finish with my fail of the week.

I lost my phone, and that was my fail, but yeah. Least surprising fail ever. Go to Mexico. Jesus Christ. Come on. You can't be more responsible with your stuff. I lost my phone and that was my fail but yeah least surprising fail Come on The story in my in my in my Instagram because right now I have 31 seconds and it doesn't I cannot do it right now So I'm gonna send the story All right, go go to Rosie's Instagram. You'll get the story there. She is a klutz his Instagram, you'll get the story there. She is a klutz. And she is forgetful. Coming up next, we have Steve Levy from the NHL on ESPN. He's gonna do a game next week, actually. He's gonna do play by play. We're gonna talk to him about

that in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Steve Levy is coming up next on the hockey show. Yes, very excited. Yes, very excited. I am very excited. Top Steve. Okay. We guys have listened to oral history. and you know that the origins of this show were once just a dream for for Dan and for Stu Gotts and that dream turned into the show and now the business of metal Arc media and the show that you're listening to today

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May 13th as Steve Levy our next guest is on the call for the Jet Stars game for matchup at 8 p.m Eastern on ESPN Steve we are going to talk about The Stanley Cup playoffs right now and we're going to start with the Capitals and Hurricanes who are currently tied at one in the series. Tom Wilson has had a career year this season and has carried over into the playoffs and he's been a major difference for the Capitals. Thank you for joining us, Steve. Talk about how big of a role he's had so far in the playoffs.

Yeah, he's an NHL unicorn, really he is. There are only a few guys who can do what he does Yeah, he's a you know, he's an NHL unicorn really he is there are He you know, he might there are only a few guys who could do what he does and he's the best guy at all At all of those qualities that he brings he scored 30 goals this season And he's you know among the most feared players in the NHL and and the key thing about Wilson is He can play in all situations And the key thing about Wilson is he can play in all situations. You know, he played such a massive role in the game to win to get them back even in the series, but he had a big shot block at the end of the game to make sure Carolina couldn't get back and score the tying goal

before the empty netter. So again, he's feared. Carolina doesn't have anybody like that. There are very few players in the league who have a legitimate NHL tough guy heavyweight who can also play on your top line. And that's why it's so rare. You know, he's crossed the line a few times

in his NHL career. And every time I put that out on the Twitter or the X or whatever, you know, people like freak out about him. Every single GM in the league would want to have him on their team. But you hate him when you play against him and you love to have him in Washington if you're a Caps fan. He's a great player as far as I'm concerned. Was shocked he was not on Four Nations to begin with. So down here, if you can't tell them what I'm wearing, where we are, we're in South Florida, we cover the Panthers. They are down 0-2 to the Toronto Maple Leafs right now, Steve.

Are you giving the Panthers a chance to come back in the series, or is this Toronto's year? Absolutely a chance. Nothing's been decided. It's an old hockey adage, a series doesn't start until a home team loses a game. And so that hasn't happened yet. And so, but I was surprised. I was surprised that the Florida didn't get one of the first two. They don't awful start in that first game, you know roared back.

They played pretty well in game number two as well. So no, I'm not saying Florida's out of it the heart of a champion that a defending Stanley Cup champs. They've got all the key quality pieces. I think they're being hurt by Matthew Kachuk though. He's clearly not himself. He's a dynamic, fantastic player. And it just, sitting there next to Mess and P.K.

He's just, he's not involved offensively as much as he normally is. I don't know if it's, you know, getting, he missed the whole second half of the season. We talked about Four Nations there. You know, he didn't play a single game after the four nations in the regular season was a question mark going into the playoffs. Just looks like he's not a hundred percent. It's a skating or whatever it is. He can't get to the loose pucks. He normally gets to. And so, um, you know, look him at seventies better than anybody else. I get that, but you're

counting on him and maybe a couple extra days before they get, you know, before the home game, they'll be able to get him ready to go and more like his actual self. And Florida will be fine too. Bobrovsky has not been great. I'm sure he'll come up with a top notch performance in game three. What did you think about the embellishment call on Evan Rodriguez in game two? You know, when I saw it first, I didn't see the embellishment.

I saw that as a, you know, dangerous sort of dirty hit and and then watching it again, you know, maybe it's a little bit. He knew the player was coming. He was able to get his hands up to protect himself. So a couple of things, you know, the veteran veteran moves and so, you know, I guess the official can be right on both things. You can have an illegal hit.

It was a charge or whatever it was. And also embellish. Both things can happen. Although I'd like to see it the other way, right? It's either a trip or an embellishment. It can't be both. Thank you. I've been saying that forever.

I'd like to see it that way, but that's not the way the officials call it, and so that's their way of evening things up, if you will. Well, okay, so this is a common thing. You're saying this is a veteran move by Rodriguez, then why even call it a penalty in the playoffs? Yeah, when they tend to let normally up things go, right? Again, it looked dangerous at first glance. I thought it looked dangerous up against the side wall there in the neutral zone. And listen, I can't speak for the officials, right? They've got a crazy difficult job.

They're under heat again for what happened last night with Arvindson and McNabb that might have decided the Vegas Edmonton game last night. So it's really hard to see at incredible speed, massive guys, sticks, pucks, skates. So I'm not going to make excuses for them. They do a great job, but they've got an impossible job to do. Leevzai, you mentioned Edmonton and they're starting to look like a team that can like win the Stanley Cup legitimately I mean we knew that before the season but now you know, they struggled during the year a little bit limped in now They're really looking like a force. So I'm curious, you know looking at them and then looking at everybody else

Who was your pick before the playoffs and has that changed based off what you've seen so far? All right, so I'm glad you asked that. My pick before the playoffs started was gonna be the Dallas Stars, okay? I love Dallas. I expect them to get Miro Hayskin back and Jason Robertson back. And they've just gotten Robertson back, but they both missed the first round. And so I'm really mad at myself. I became a coward though.

I became a coward when I saw, so Robertson gets hurt in the final regular season game. You know, kind of a meaningless game for Dallas in that spot. And I said, you know what, without their best goal score and without their best defenseman, how are they gonna beat the mighty Avalanche? And so I bailed out, okay. I did have Washington coming out of the East

and nobody likes Washington by the way. avalanche and so I bailed out. Okay, I did have Washington coming out of the East and nobody likes Washington by the way. And I had Vegas coming out of the West as my Stanley Cup final and probably Vegas winning. I think if I have to go back and look at ESPN.com listen, Edmonton would have been way down the list boys Edmonton would have been way down the list. I do think I do think there's going to be a Western conference

team. I think the West is much stronger than the East but Edmonton was way down the list. I do think there's going to be a Western Conference team. I think the West is much stronger than the East, but Edmonton was way down the list. I don't trust their goaltending and I don't know what I'm going to do about that now. This is Calvin Pickard. This is their backup goalie who has now won, I think, six in a row. Six in a row. All this comeback fashion. Right? Six games in a row. That's Grant Fier games in a row. That's grant pure stuff guys You know, that's legendary in Edmonton. And so I keep waiting for him to fail I don't think Vegas has done necessarily yet

But they had to get that hockey game last night and the Oilers are so top-heavy Right to best offensive players on the planet and they play together on the first line Who else is gonna score and last night other guys did score pod Colson scores Walters scores last night so now if they're gonna get you know great goal-tending from their backup goalie and fourth line scoring as well then you know write it down now the Oilers are gonna you know at least get to the cup it's been a wild playoff so far so So we got Grant Führer, we got Bill Ranford, we got Calvin Pickard. It's Oilers history. Right. And Kota Stills. I'm starting

to see all those names pop up that torched the Panthers in the Stanley Cup final last year. Connor Brown, Arvid Senn, you know, oh my God, I was laying on a couple of them, but all those guys, like you knew about McDavid and Dreistadt coming into the series, but names like Connor Brown send chills down my spine from games four through six of the Stanley Cup final last year. And they're doing it again this year, it's unbelievable. That's what they do.

And the Oilers are worse, the Oilers are worse. They lost two critical players. They lost that Broberg, the defenseman, who got an offer sheet. And Fogel. Holwig, they lost the forward they lost him to. The Oilers are worse, theoretically, on paper, in terms of their roster.

They got worse. And so that's really remarkable. Again, Skinner was playing great last year in the playoffs. Got them within one game of the cup. and I can't get over the picker Thing I hate to be repetitive, but it's it's remarkable, but that's why the Stanley Cup playoffs so cool, right? You just never know You really don't know anything and until after each games over then you pretend to know something more speaking of goaltending The Jets survived survived

Their series against the st. Louis Blues in seven. Now, Conor Hellebuck got pulled three times in that series. So going into the series against the Dallas Stars as Davis Mike. I mean, what is going on here? But going into this series against the Stars, is Conor Hellebuck actually going to perform like the best in the trophy winner that he is? Who knows, man? against the stars. It's kind of hell about actually going to perform like the Vezina trophy one of the years. Who knows man.

I mean I got I have no idea. It's like you know, it's like playoff Jimmy Butler in the in the NBA, right? It's like regular season Connor Hellebuck. It's guys. He's not only up for the Vezina. He's up for the heart as the league's overall MVP. Goaltenders do not win the heart trophy. They don't even get nominated.

They have their own award. So that tells you how good a regular season he had. And we did this on the air the other night. So, you know, the Jets are 1.8 seconds away from blowing everything up. I mean, GM fired, coach fired, president fired, players traded, players cut, moved out. Everybody get out of town. Families pulled out of houses, schools moved,

divorces, you know, like engagements over, like we're selling the team. I mean, all right, maybe not that dastardly, but drastic. You get the idea. Like, you can't have another regular season like that and bomb out in the playoffs again. You just can't. Something's gotta be wrong there.

And so they get the miracle goal to tie, they win in overtime, breath the fresh air, a little bit of life now, and now we'll see how everybody can sit back and relax. Okay, Mark Messier, who knows about these things, life now and and now we'll see how everybody can sit back and relax okay. Mark Messier who knows about these things has often said the first round can be the most difficult round of the playoffs which is interesting when you hear that from a guy like mess so we'll see what happens very strong first game off to a big start here hellabuck

you know settle down off a awful lot and started to perform the way he had that second half of that game. And now we'll see what happens in game two tonight. But I feel a lot better about Winnipeg now after that, you know, getting out of that first round. Now listen, they were also without their, arguably the best forward and Mark Shifely, who returned in game one and scored a goal and Josh Morrissey is their best defenseman.

He's out of the lineup. So all these teams are down there best forward and best defenseman and still winning hockey games like Winnipeg was, Dallas was, and it's really remarkable. Now, Steve, Roy and I kind of grew up following hockey in the nineties. That's when we came up as hockey fans. And obviously you were a big part of that for us down here. One of our biggest exposures to hockey was ESPN National Games. Yeah, that night and I season just watching the Sabres go to the Stanley Cup.

Fine. I've heard him plenty of times on the ESPN doing those Sabres games. So one of the that was our favorite cup. That was our for Melrose and I. That was among our favorite cups. Dallas, Buffalo, Chippewa Street in In downtown Buffalo that was that was you know, Brett Hall foot in the crease. No goal. So yes No, yes or no I'm not asking you I'm not asking you

Yes or no the way the rules was called were called all that season. That's no goal. Yeah, that's right Those are Buffalo Bills football telecast now, out of the blue, still to this day, there'll be one fan and the 70,000 people holding a passage that says no goal. I love it. I mean, that is still out there. So yeah, that one's a great series.

You mentioned how much fun you had with Barry Melrose during that playoff run, and I actually wanted to ask you about Barry just because we love him so much. Obviously, he's retired the last few years because of health issues but just kind of going back and I'm sure you know this is an impossible question to answer but... Wow look at that ESPN2 mic flag. I love it dude the deuce. But do a look at my hair. But just when I bring up Barry Melrose to you just you know off the dome what's maybe one or

two of the best Barry Melrose stories that you can remember? Listen, he's just one of my favorite people on the planet. And, you know, we're all in the same sort of, I get emotional just talking about it again, we're all in the same business. And you know, when you start out at a place, in a workplace, it's your business. And then you have colleagues. And then with any luck, those colleagues become friends. And if you work long enough with them, then they become good friends and best friends. And then if you work even really long with them

and you get to know their families, their life stories, and then you become family with them in essence. And so, I consider Barry a member of my family. I'm lucky to have my parents around. My parents have known Barry and his family forever. His wife Cindy is two boys. You know, my kids call him Uncle Barry and all that kind of stuff.

And so, we just had the best time. He's just the greatest guy, a guy who, you know, played just seven seasons in the NHL as a player. You know, he was always like the seventh defenseman, right? He always had to worry, was he getting scratched or was he getting sent down? He used to tell the story,

he only started in two places, in Boston and Philadelphia, the two toughest places in the entire league because he had to fight somebody every single night. And that was the kind of player he was, and back in that era. And then he of course had, you know, great success coaching taking the Kings to to the Stanley Cup and Barry's rookie year and you know Wayne Gretzky is on record calling Barry you know maybe his favorite coach or among his favorite NHL head coaches of all time so just the

greatest guy so much more to him than what everybody sees the big laugh if you could smell the cologne and the cigar smoke on him. And the hair gel, obviously, and the oversized suits. Tremendous historian. Avid reader of books. Like, a really smart guy who you just think about as being an old hockey dude. So, you know, he's fighting the fight.

I talked to him probably once a week. I got to see him at the Four Nations because we were in Columbus. He's now, he and the family were living in Ohio. So I got to go see him. That was the last time I saw him. I owe him a visit. And he's fighting the good fight. He's dealing with an awful problem.

It's out there. It's documented. And I just think about him every single day. And there's a real strong push to get him in the hockey hall of fame and the broadcaster wing. Yes. So we'll see if hopefully that can happen. That's supposed to be announced end of this month or so.

So we'll root for that. Anybody that grew up on ESPN like me and like you guys and loved hockey loves Barry Moros and he is the greatest. And anybody that grew up on ESPN as well loves This Is Sports Center commercials, right? And so a few weeks ago we had John Bouchagross on the show and I ran my top five list of This Is Sports Center commercials by him but I realized I made some big mistakes and I had a huge omission so I want to run this by you because you might be in here, you might

be in here, I don't know. So, all right. Oli are the two involving my Florida Gators. Albert, the alligator is in John Rom's lie in the kitchen and and Steve Irwin tackles him coming out of the elevator. One of my, I'm in that one. Yep. That is, that is a great one. All right. Number five, Jay Harris, the, the, the great one. All right. Number five, Jay Harris. The elevator opens. He asked the the devil's mascot if he's going up and he's not.

He gets out of the elevator. That's a great. Classic, simple, right? So good. Perfect. Yeah. Number four. You're in this one. Alex Ovechkin and the Russian Spice. Yeah, that's a fabulous one. I told the story the other day, that's the most expensive this is sports center in history. Think about that. We had to build, in essence, that copy room. We had to build that on the basketball court because we couldn't actually have them go

through the ceiling in the real building. It doesn't really work that way. And great assistance by the second actor, Semyon Varlamov, who was up there and above the tiling. So we had that lift, that machine that had the lift Ovi through the building. And so the other piece that we had a stunt double for him. Ovi? Oh, my God. We had a guy in exact Ovi-size shape, shoulders, full pads,

the pants, shin guards, skates, equipment. He's on the set all day. And you guys know, these things take forever. It could have been six hours sitting out there, and nobody's like, no, I do my own stunts, you know, like these tom-poos all of a sudden, you know, he's flying the outside of airplanes and stuff jumping out of buildings. So that was so much fun.

And that's resurfaced in the last year or two because it's now politically funny. Also. Right. And so, yeah. All right. Number two, filings. Yeah. Very funny. Number three, Albert Pujols talking to the copy machine. Nickname was the machine. Yeah, me and John Anderson and I, we had a lot of fun with that. Albert Pujols, a super classy guy.

We had a relationship based on that. Albert had a great charitable foundation that I got involved with after that. And to this day, it's cool to have his cell phone number in my phone. I cherish that. Great hitter, The Machine. The Machine.

Why didn't you eliminate them, Albert? Number two, Arnold Palmer pouring himself in Arnold Palmer. This was my number one last time, but it's been unseated because I forgot, far and away, the greatest This Is Sports Center commercial of all time, John Clayton finishing his segment Jumping into bed letting his hair down eating his Chinese food and yelling down to his mother

Yeah, I think that is the one on the all-time weight is that the one that got unseated or that's your new number one That is my new number one. I forgot about it last time. And it was a terrible omission. I can't remember. Arnold Palmer was number one last time and it was unseated for this because this is far and away the greatest. So listen, this was a company called Wieden and Kennedy, right? And they produced all of these. And listen, I can only speak for myself. I don't speak for my colleagues. But I'm not that funny. Like I'm not that clever, you know? And so they wrote these things for us and the secret to them, right? At SportsCenter, it was all about, wow, oh, what a play, crash, bang, boom.

He runs into the wall, God, oh, run, what a slam. Everything, it goes the other way. Everything's shh, right? Hushed tones, understated, less words, right? Like how many words are actually in that Arnold Palmer one, the Jay Harris one you mentioned. Oh, I had to have been five. Right, right, the Arnold Palmer one is great

because our guy Stuart Scott's in that one too with him, Elton. Also rest in peace. Guys, guys in my spot would be fighting over each other to get onto campus that day. Like you would see guys who were on Disney vacations with their families come back early. Like, once they found out, oh, they're shooting a commercial.

Maybe I can be an extra in the background. And so it was a great period. To this day, I'm asked much more about those commercials than really everything, anything I've actually, you know, said on a real sports center. And they would take over the day. Like, these 30-'ve actually, you know, said on a real sports center. And they would take over the day, like these 30 second commercials, you know, could take six hours and eliminate a building or a hallway. And the other story about that is that people should know, so it wasn't just us jumping

over each other to get in them, the athletes wanted to be in them. We didn't pay the athletes anything. I think maybe we donated $1,000 to that favorite charity or something. And as you know, these people don't do anything without getting paid these days, right? Right. And you know, LeDanian Tomlinson one day

in his Chargers days, he flew from San Diego and back the same day. That's how badly he wanted to be in a sports center commercial. And that was the one he had the Tint advisor. Right. Great one. That's a very good one as well. Yeah.

He's putting the mail in the mail and I'm there with him. Hey, what are you doing, man? And he's like, what do you mean? And so and so the the other aspect, we'll move on after this. But so his PR flunky or whatever, the PR flunkies assistant, whatever is watching there, and all they can think about is,

hey, you can't see my client's face. I want exposure. And so they asked the producer, hey, can we do one without the helmet on so people can see it? And then we're all like, well, then he's just a dope. Then why is he putting the mail in the wrong place if he can see properly?

And so they wound up filming a spot just to appease the PR person, whoever that was at that time. And of course, I'm not sure they was even filming it. That never ran, that never aired. They were just merely trying to appease that young person. But it's been great fun to be in. What a home run, what a genius move that was for ESPN to get involved with Wyden and Kennedy there.

I just gotta throw a little bit of love before we move on to the Tearaway warmup commercial with, I believe it was Stewart Scott and Scott Van Pelt where they were doing their warmups and they ripped off their suits, the reveal suits underneath. I thought that was hilarious. Yes.

Finally, before we let you go, go Steve this came across the wire yesterday about Joel Quenville being the new Anaheim Ducks head coach now we kind of saw this coming considering that Stan Bowman is in Edmonton's front office right now but after what happened to Kyle Beach in Chicago in 2010 it just doesn't make any sense to me while either one of them or anybody from that franchise would have a job in this league. So what do you feel about it? Did Stan Bowman and does Joel Quinville deserve a second chance? You know this is a slippery slope and that's for someone other than myself to decide and the league has decided apparently that it's okay. Stan Bowman's been back, is it a full

year or is it even two years now? Yeah it's been a full year now. Yeah okay so he's come back, apparently they have done everything they've had to do to make it right at least by the National Hockey League and I can't speak for what's happened away from the ice and what's on the game. It brought terrible headlines to the league. It did raise great awareness. It shined a light on a subject that there needed to be a lot more light on. And then at some point, you know, Quenville has been rumored to be in the mix for jobs and all those things, but the commissioner kept saying the time wasn't right, time wasn't right. And for whatever reason, Gary Betman

and the NHL has decided the time is right now. And listen, the Adaham Ducks, they've made that decision that they're okay with this. I saw the press conference yesterday, Joel Quenville appeared to say all the right things off a prepared statement that it was. And so we'll see where it goes. But I'm not the right guy to say right or wrong time. And we'll have to see where this goes. But I understand from the victim's perspective for sure, this is a much bigger issue than than ice hockey and And we'll see where it goes from here But the team said that they actually talked to Kyle Beach about this hire and they decided to go with it Anyway, so I'm guessing that call Kyle gave them his blessing. Hopefully that's the hopefully that's the case

I mean that would be nice if that was the case You'd like to think that was the case and and if that's the case. Hopefully that's the case. I mean that would be nice if that was the case. You'd like to think that was the case. And if that is the case, then full marks to Kyle, right, for trying to be the bigger person in this case. And maybe he's in a good place now where he wasn't. And all he can do is hope he was taken care of and got everything he needed and continues to to this day. Well, we're going to listen to you on Tuesday for the for Game 4 Jet Stars.

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On behalf of Boothill Casino in Resorting Kansas, 21 and over, agent eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Voight in Ontario, new customers only, Okay, I begrudgingly want to talk about the Panthers right now who are down 0-2 to the Toronto Maple Leaf as they make their way back home to Sunrise for Game 3 tonight. It's basically the worst case scenario for the Panthers as they've adjusted. It just slipped on you then it just went limp on me oh my goodness okay so no Bella check this Mike it was a bad you gotta relax with that dude you gotta stop I'm so hyper this is a hockey show okay it was a bad start in game one just just an awful start but they did try to

rally and they came up short and there was some major mistakes in game one including a terrible line change. That should not happen. It wasn't really a line change it was like a line forgetful. You forgot, who was Belinskis forgot the Kamaniaks? I'm sure that there's some story behind it that he didn't just forget like maybe there was a some kind of equipment issue or it was an off there was some reason we didn't get an explanation, but why? My dad and I are still very much learning hockey together, right, so after the game we were walking the dog and kind of discussing everything and he was like,

you know, I'm still kind of learning what, I'm still kind of learning, hey, it's a nice little. Walking the dog, you can let that part out. We have our discussions when we walk the dog. So anyway, we're talking about the game, you know, talking about the game, talking about what happened. And my dad's like, what is good coaching in hockey look like?

Is that mistake where there's only four guys on the ice, is that coaching or is that, that's just execution, right? That's just a guy that either didn't hear the line change or didn't catch his guy coming in or whatever. That's not a mistake that you can make as a Stanley Cup champion in the playoffs. Well Nate Smith, Nate Smith is his partner on defense. So he should have been out there. The clear cut he should have been out there. I don't know if it's gonna be an equipment issue or not but he should have been out there

because if Nate Smith's out there he needs to be out there. Yeah and it just highlights a bigger issue that the Panthers are having right which game two was a mess for the Panthers, ultimately. I just kept talking to my brother, watching the game together, just saying. Were you walking a dog? No, this time we were. Were you a dog?

This time we were. You were smoking a J. No, this time we were at Brightside hanging out, watching the game, of course. No, we were just watching the game, and I keep talking to him. The thing I kept saying to him was, this is not the Panthers' pace. This is not the way that they wanna play the game and I keep talking to him, the thing I kept saying to him was, this is not the Panthers pace,

this is not the way that they wanna play the game. Toronto, when it's going up and down like that, that second period was breathless. It was just constant up and down the ice and when Toronto's gonna win that game every single time you play it, that's not how the Panthers are gonna win the game, and they got beat because they played Toronto's game. Game one was sloppy. They had some bad

mistakes in the first couple periods. You can blame that on Rust. Then they kind of took over, dominated the game, nearly came back. I thought game two was more concerning for the Panthers because Toronto looked like the better team and they dictated the play. And that's not a recipe for success for the Florida Panthers. Well the good thing about the the Panthers offense is they're so aggressive that their defensive unit can naturally pinch in and provide offense for the team. Sometimes that goes against them in transition with breakouts. Eye man rushes happen,

stretch passes happen, where the puck ends up getting behind them, yeah and breakaways happen. Or like I don't remember if it was the second or third Toronto goal. I think it was the Max Dome goal where like Florida was changing, they were in the offensive zone. I think it was like Nico Mico was trying to come down from the point. Kichuck saw him, it was typical play. But whoever was on Toronto's defense was very smart, got a stick on the puck and it just deflected it just enough. As Florida was coming one way, Toronto starts going the other way. So it's these perfect storm situations that happen.

I think even Paul Maurice said both of their rush goals started on Florida sticks. So some things to clean up. But I don't know, Ethan, I actually thought that they did more of what they want to do in game two than they did in game one. I thought they had more pressure in Toronto's own. I'm hoping that it's just a progression to tonight at home where they can really show that they're the defensive powerhouse team that they are. I don't know, man. I just thought that second period, that pace was just so crazy that you're like, this is

not the Panthers game. But then when you look at the numbers afterwards, like the Panthers XG compared expected goals compared to the to the Maple Leafs was way higher. So it was something like three to one expected goals. So, you know, there was honestly some bad goaltending by Bobrovsky. The last goal, I thought, I don't know how that puck went in, it was just kind of Marner firing one off from the boards. I mean, it's a great shot, unbelievable placement.

But I just thought, you you know there are still some positive signs for the Panthers in terms of the pace wasn't them but they still got the chances that they need they missed a couple listen credit to Joseph Wall as well I mean he makes a great save on Mackay Samuskevich and he's come in like you know the narrative is gonna be all the Panthers can't beat a backup goalie they were really 1a and 1B in Toronto this year, so. Come on, man. David.

Let me help you here. What, with the microphone? Yeah, let me help, no, not the microphone, let me help you here. I'm glad they're all two, because I wanna see Justin Bieber in the. What? In the Stanley Cup. So that is my win of the week. Are you saying you hope the Panthers lose?

That is my win of the week, so I'm jinxing them. It's too late for that. Can we tell her to get out? I'm helping you here. It's not a jinx if that's the plan. It's not doesn't how it works Well, I want just I want to see Justin Bieber. It's not a jinx at all Okay, I want to get into Sergey probrowski and David you pointed out some status Okay David you pointed out some stats. Toronto has. Well, you okay. Toronto sure has. David you pointed out some stats the night before and I got some added stats here. This is from natural stat trick and money 1.6 expected goals against on 5 on 5, Sergey Bobrovsky gave up 5 goals on 30 shots. All on 5 on 5. He had a goals save above expected of negative 1.98. On game 2, the Panthers had an expected goals against of 1.89. You would think they would win. And a 1.09 on 5 on 5. Very good. Yeah, Sergei Barbaroski gave up 4 goals on 20 shots with 3 on 5 on 5.

His goal saved above expected was negative 2.26. Explain the significance in that because that is bad. The significance is that goal saved above expected basically zero, like even means you're making the saves you're supposed to. When you start getting into the plus numbers, it means you're making saves you're not supposed to. When you get into the minus numbers, it means you're letting up goals that you should be stopping.

And based on those numbers, negative one and a half for one game, negative two and a half for another game, that's icky, icky, icky for a guy who we've seen be the Panthers best player on their last three playoff runs. Even the one that they lost to Tampa in the second round, he was the best player for them. He needs to be the best player if they're going to come back in the series. So not only is Sergey Bobrovsky not making the saves that's going to steal you a win, he's not making

the saves that a top flight elite goaltender makes or even a backup goaltender would make well That's the problem. He he's still coming up with some good saves I think the problem is he's not making the saves he usually makes which again drives his numbers up in terms of goals allowed expected and He needs to like yes a spectacular saves are awesome But if you don't bridge those spectacular saves with the ones you're supposed to make then what the hell are we doing? It's the playoffs. They're all important at this point. I'll say this though It's hard to put it all on Bob, you know

No, and I know that's not what you're doing I see a lot of Panther fans that are kind of exclusively putting this on Bob. First of all, he just won you a Stanley Cup. So But he just won you a Stanley Cup. So, a year ago. No, no, no, no, that was a year ago. We are on it this season. I know it was a year ago, but he just won you a Stanley Cup. So in general, Bob's whole thing here,

his contract is fulfilled. He brought you a Stanley Cup. In terms of his legacy, sure, but right now we're in the middle of a playoff run. For sure, and he needs to be better, but it is hard to put it all on Bob. We were talking about it on the show today. There are probably seven guys before you get to Bob

that you could say need to be better if the Panthers are gonna win this series. Carter Verhege, Matthew Kachuk, Nico Mikola, Dmitri Kulakov needs to be better, Nate Schmidt and Uvis Belinskis need to be better. There are guys you get to before you get to Bobrovski that need to be better. Ultimately, does Bob need to be better? Yes, of course.

He hasn't played well the first two. And not only did he give up bad goals, he gave up bad goals at really bad times. This is played by a team. Twice the Panthers took the lead and Bobrovski immediately gave the lead back. That's what I was going to follow up with. Yes, there are guys that need to be better. However, if Bobrosky has a little bit better of a game in game two, they win that game. The defensive unit for the Florida Panthers haven't done well. I'm just talking about the defensemen here. Dmitry Kulikov has had several major mistakes, including

that delay of game penalty. That was bad. And even guys that you expect better from who have played... Seth Jones, minus they played they played somewhat well like they haven't been terrible but they haven't been themselves right Seth Jones has not been himself Gustav Forsling even a guy who's been so solid for the Panthers the last two three four years has not played very well you know up to his standard I would say in this series so they need guys to not only get better, but get back to their standard of play. Sam Reinhardt's an example of that,

where he's doing good things, he's not being the Sam Reinhardt we've come to know that scored 57 goals last year. You said Nico Michola, he's a minus three, he's committed bad penalties, he's been bad as well. And everybody, including Gustavo Rossellini. And he's been caught out on the rush as well, he's been caught out on the rush a couple times as well.

So it's like These guys just need to play better They've been better standard they've been bad on the back check Like and that's been horrible that that's the tight gap and like I said earlier if you're if that's the game You're gonna you're gonna lose it every single time. All right, so we are just waiting for game three tonight Hopefully, oh, I'm saying this is not like I'm not biased. Let's play the button right there to hit the button No, hopefully when we come back for next week's hockey show, we're still talking about a current Panther season and not a past Panther season Let's just leave it at that

Can't split this guy went both. That's it. And that's the end of the hockey show for Dave for Rosie for Mike, for Jason, whoever the hell else is, put the camera on back there, please. Who's back there? Who's back in the video control room? Nobody, apparently. Oh, hey, Danny!

Danny and Gino! Jason's not even here today, is he? So Mike, Danny, and Gino, thank you for doing stuff. That's pretty much it. Have a good weekend everybody. What? What? What? What? Oh, I thought we already ended. Sorry. Time, Rose. Time.

Bye.