The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - THOMAHAWK - Shared Showers, Locker Room Hijinks & Best Thanksgiving Dishes

Episode Date: November 23, 2023

Welcome back to The ThomaHawk Show! This week hosts Andrew Hawkins and Joe Thomas and the ThomaFlawk, Phat Nattt & Juju Gotti debate the controversy of sideline reporting, as well as the news of Patrick Mahomes wearing the same underwear every game. This leads to a rabbit hole conversation about nasty NFL habits, for example, Hawk claims that most NFL players pee their pants during the game...They also talk football and share their favorite thanksgiving. You won't want to miss it! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

your listening to draft King's network. Coming up on today's show, we debate the controversy around sideline reports and we assess how fair the criticism is. Paddy, my home's wears the same underwear every game and we end up in rabbit hole about nasty NFL habits. Eventually, we talk some football and share our favorite Thanksgiving dishes. All of this and so much more on the ultra hygienic locker room friendly Mexico Thanksgiving episode of the Tomahawk show. I would be honored if you play football for this team. Me, play football.

The most of you have been playing play football for this team. Me, play football. The most of you have been playing this game for 10 years. We got two more quarters. And after that, most of you will never play this game again. Why are you smiling? Because I love football. Bones, fun. Bones, sir.

Bones, sir. It's fun. It's you, sure. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the world famous Tomahawk Show brought to you by the good people at the Draft King's and metal-lark media. It is a special thanks giving addition of the Tomahawk show. I am your humblest of co-host joined by the best friends gang. People I would have over for Thanksgiving any day of the week that there is in the world. I have my humblest of all co-host, Joe Thomas, Hall of Famer in the Building.

Joe, how are you doing today? We're in fabulous, celebrating Thanksgiving with the family down here in Mexico right now and happy to be able to hang out with the Tomahawk and my people with the Tomahawk show a little bit before Thanksgiving. So we got the whole family together. You look rich.

Also joining us is ATL shoddy, Juju gotty in the building. Of course, fat Nat, Juju, how you doing this week, man? Pretty regular, my brother. All right. Awesome. Not too bad. All right.

I love the transparency. Nat, how are things over on the West Coast? Good. Everything's good. Unfortunately, not going to Mexico, but going up to the bank, uh, literally right after this. So all right. Well, that's, that's not as rich, but going up to the bank, uh, literally right after this. So.

All right. Well, that's, that's not as rich, but still pretty rich. It's expensive in the bay. Joe, why the hell are you in Mexico? Did you just guys, this is just to get people behind the curtains a little bit. So Joe, like we said, he's a hollafamer. If I didn't say that, he's one of the best left tackles to ever play the game. And with that comes a lot of money that you make. And that is no secret. You can Google it. It's a whole bunch. And that allows you to do things like go to Mexico

for Thanksgiving. So Joe, how did this decision come about? Like what goes into Thomas family discussions to end up in Mexico for a major holiday? Yeah, that's exciting. I'm sure everybody's really thrilled to find out what went behind my decision. Absolutely.. I'm sure everybody's really thrilled to find out what went behind my decision. Absolutely. So I'm going to Germany in January. We'll be living there from January through

September, Coaching the Munich Ravens football team. So we miss spring break. And like a lot of people probably do that, you know, are married, you try to split your time between each people's family during the holidays. And so for us in spring break, we kind of alternate going between my family and Annie's family. And this year was supposed to be my family spring break, but since we're going to be out of the country, and we won't be seeing them, we said, hey, why don't we go and take a Thanksgiving trip? Since it's starting to get cold and miserable in Wisconsin. And Mexico is always a great place to enjoy some amazing weather and some cheap tacos. So yeah, we're all on board.

Everyone's having a lot of fun. We came down here right in the middle of the game on Sunday. That's that's pretty awesome. Yeah, you look Mexican. Thank you. Yeah, I could tell. I could tell my team. Absolutely. I could see it in your lineage. You're on the lamb right now. I'm running from really the real story of the job. We're running from the government. Tell me real truth. You're down there the government That's gonna say yeah tell the real truth you're down there Sure you're expression of some bank accounts. What is that what part of Mexico you in We're down in Portavarta my wife's family. They've had a time sure down here forever So we've been down here Tommy know the area and we love it. How many times have you been to Mexico?

I would say probably ten could I actually started coming here with my wife Annie and her family when we were dating in college. Cause like I said, her family's not on. Place here for a long time. And I've been married in 15 years. So, for a while. Yeah, no, that's not too bad. I've been to Mexico a couple of times. Favorite vacation spot that I've been to.

Isn't more than the Caribbean, St. Lucia. I went there for Carnival. Are you guys familiar with Carnival? Yeah, yeah, but never bad. You talk about a party. I mean, I'm not a proponent of drinking, but I was hammered for quite a few days, me and my wife went for our anniversary.

The most fun I've ever had in my life. Like, I have never gone back, because I'm like, I don't, nothing's going to top that five days or by far, my best vacation. Juju, what is your best vacation that you've ever taken? I ain't never been on vacation for a damn. Juju, I should have known that was coming, man. You doing all that?

My job's never required off time until I got this job. And so I never been on vacation. Germany was the best thing I've ever went to. You feel me? Oh, man. So there was no point. There was no paid time off for hustling, huh? Damn. Nah, but that's basically not a D list hustlers like myself. You was a bad one too. No sick leave. You didn't have any like six days

you could just pretend to call in and still get paid. You know, I'm working on that one. We've got lines outside the trap house right now. We're man more rights. I'm working on that one. We just got lines outside the trap house right now. We're the man more rights. I tell you, we should take a Tomahawk vacation to Germany. Come visit me in Bavaria. It'll be amazing. I'd love to show you guys around. That was a super dope. So yeah, I'm all in there, but I can't stop laughing about, uh, Juju, you know, being, uh, uh, working in the mail room at the trap house, being an entry level intern. Huslan is, uh, is a crazy.

We've got to search so more with every job. We've got to work it way up. Nat, what's your best vacation of all time? Wow, best vacation. I do love Mexico. I love King Koon, but I'm biased and I have been to Armenia like seven times. And I just, it's my favorite. Yeah, my favorite. You're Armenian, we'll get into that

because it is still in there. And I want to hear about all the Armenian traditions. All right, for everybody who is just tuning in, you can find us on all of our social media handles at Tomahawk Show. Make sure you hit up Levitard Show on YouTube for the video version of the pod. We are also on the DraftKings Network on Wednesdays at 4 p.m.

Find us anywhere you find your podcast. Subscribe, like, rate five stars, all of that housekeeping jazz. Let's get into some some some time ahead lines to start the show off. Number one, I'm going to call an audible here just because I'm looking at Joe and he looks like he is sideline reporting from Mexico. So Joe Thomas reporting here from the sidelines of Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. I got the ocean behind me. It's questionable to come back in the afternoon because Joe drank a lot of margaritas this morning. Yes. There might not be any water left or any salt either. So on that point, it was a big

deal. Clevista Thompson, who is a mainstay in sports media. She hosts on Fox. She hoaxes. There's a night football. I've done her show. She is an amazing talent. She went on part of my take and she made the admission that she would just make up sideline reports. And when she couldn't get to a coach, she would just be like, you know, to hell with it. I'm sure I could just say they need to run the football more and no one's gonna bat an eye. They're not gonna call her out on it.

No one was really gonna care. And so she's made that admission before on a podcast with Aaron Andrews, but it caught fire this week. And every sideline reporter that I had ever heard of and seen, and even most of the ones that I've never heard of and seen and even most of the ones that I've never heard of, they were pissed, Joe. So I have a take on this. I don't know if it's the right take,

but I want to go to, you know, the, the, the smarter one of the, of the duo and say, Joe, what do you, what is your take on, on Karissa tops? Do you think this is a big deal? Well, only because I look like a sideline reporter right now being that I'm holding my say, Joe, what do you, what is your take on, on Karissa tops? And do you think this is a big deal? Well, only because I look like a sideline reporter right now being that I'm holding my mic and I have nowhere else to put it. I think it's probably a big deal to be totally honest because basically by admitting that you make up the stuff on the sidelines, it proves that the stuff that's reported from the sideline is worthless, that anybody can just make it up and you're not really adding any depth to the, to the broadcast. And so I think that's why everyone else was pissed. This because they're like, Hey, you're ruining our rules. Like we know that we're not saying staff or the coaching staff that they can get like a little tidbit about, yeah, you know, Aaron Rogers heard as a kill

ease. He's out forever. Or, you know, hey, it wasn't as bad as you guys thought. He should probably come back in the second half outside of that. Like, they're not telling you anything from the sideline other than what you're already listening to from the broadcast booth and seeing with your own eyes. So she's kind of like in a roundabout way, eliminating the jobs for herself and for all of her brethren. Yeah. And that's why I think reporters were so upset with it. Juju did you have a, what was your opinion on everything that transpired? Right. I think it's bad. I think it's only bad because she telling on herself like keeping it real goes wrong, bro.

You got away with it. You did it. You the host now Thursday night put by why are you doing this to yourself, man? I think it's more of a revealing, excuse me, on the coaches who are who make themselves not available, because they pay money to make these coaches available at these times. And if y'all given her your ask the kids, what should they, uh, they were transferring the first half back to you, Bob? So I don't necessarily hold her to the fire. I just think it's a questionable mood to snitch on yourself, man. Setting and the blonde women across the world, like, we don't need the most setbacks for the most persecuted people in the world.

Come on, we don't, don't do that. Breach. What? Blondman, the most persecuted people in the world. Oh, I didn't. Don't worry me that, don't clip that. Man, we need to clip that, put that out there. And so we can, so we can get the same treatment Clevrissa Thompson got on social media.

I'll say this, I think that, I think there's a couple of points. I think it was bullshit that because Clarissa came out and said that now everyone was had this take that it was an indictment on all sideline reporters, right? I think that's unfair anytime somebody does one thing and then you make the generalization that they're that now she's setting all sideline reporters or women in media back. Like that, that means that you're not valuing that in the first place, which again, I think is bullshit. Now that being said, do I care about sideline reports? I'm gonna be honest, I gotta be honest on this show.

When I watch a game, there's never a time where I'm like, damn, I am so happy I got that information from sideline. And now I try to break that down, but why is it? Why is it that Clarissa feels like? Bruh, this is like Clarissa Thompson. Who asked you this question? Why are you volunteering this information to earth at all?

Brother, watch your damn thralls. Man, what this hell is wrong with you? Is that no indirent fact that you're revealing about yourself? Just don't make people want to get closer to you at all. I want to kind of stay away a little bit more. And me personally, I absolutely do not have something that I wear all the time no matter what I'm at. That's all my head. I do not have those rituals at all. I don't, I can't understand what he's talking about.

You don't get it. He said that because now I feel really good about their second half. And again, that is not an indictment on the profession of anybody that is putting so much time in it. I know that is a hard job and it is really, for the reasons I'm saying, it's hard to get a coach to be transparent in those moments. I'm just saying for me, it didn't feel like it's big of a deal because I myself, maybe I'm too close to it

and that information always felt cliché to me. The last thing I will say, and Joe, feel free to chime in here. Part of my take is a dangerous platform. Podcasting is a dangerous platform. You think about all the people that are getting in trouble and plot, because these environments get real lexed. And in this world of jobs and bosses and being a professional,

when you see other people succeed by just doing whatever, sometimes it's that's intoxicating and you fall into that trap. And that is absolutely a cautionary tale for everyone that gets on our show or anybody else's show. Please don't lose your goddamn job. There is no interviewer clip that's worth that. And I would love the information. I'm happy that you share that. And please, if anybody else has made up reports, come to the Tomahawk show tell us right here.

We could use the reach on social media. But I will say Joe, please be a little smarter out there. Yeah, I feel like Clarissa should get some points for being honest. I think at any time you're going to be honest to the public to people you don't know about or that you don't know. That's a good thing. Like you should give her points as a human being. However, stitching on yourself is always so.

But you got to be real careful with those podcasts. I had a buddy that went on the Joe Rogan show. And he mentioned like before they sat down and did the show, Joe was like, Hey, would you like some tequila? We got all these top shelf models of the deal. Would you like some vodka? We got a beer, whatever you want. Just let me know.

Well, we'll handle whatever needs you need. Oh, would you like a joint? We've got drugs over here. Would you like anything on her to get you to say and open up to whatever you feel like to make you feel comfortable so that we can get some good stuff and we get some good conversations and the part of my take guys, big cat, PFT, they do a great job of making you feel comfortable. Hawke, you and I have been on the show. And they do an awesome job because they get you relaxed, they get you laughing. And anytime people are laughing,

they can come through with their leather guards down and they wanna open up and share their experiences. So I give her credit, but it might hurt the profession in the long run because he's the only thing I can really think about from a sideline perspective is, it's nice getting that camera perspective from the sideline just to get you away from always looking down from like the birds I view.

But other than that, like the the words that are coming out of their mouths are just cliches that are repeated from the coach really and it doesn't elevate the broadcast much as far as like the dialogue that they're having. There's a sketch here and I got to figure it out, but there's a version of like real life sideline. Like if the sideline reports were really, how do you make those where people actually want to hear them? And it's like, yeah, I'm down here on the sideline and the head coach for the New Orleans States said, if he caught the opposing head coach in a dark alley, he would fuck him up, back to you, Joe. Like that's what I want to hear.

I want to hear the real thing, like, give me that authenticity. Like, whatever, I need to save him was like, it ain't happening. Like whenever a new saven was like, it ain't happening. So who would ask? That was the next time I'd like that one. That was a good report. I think that was how they wrote whoever.

So there was that has been the best side I've reported the last 10 years because he actually said what he felt. And how do we get to that level of authenticity? That is that is where the profession goes. So maybe this is going to be a net positive. Maybe it evolves the role of sideline reporter where they get away from the cliche repeating

of what the coach said. And now they like start getting after them a little bit. You know, I'll be like, Hey, Nick Sabin, I don't know, sure if you heard, but I brought Peelemon the other sideline just called you a weeny and you're defensive soft. And I said, I should Bob trivia for the home audience. Hey, hey, did Nick Sabin tell me to buzz off or they need to go for it on third and down more.

Yeah, I feel like we were going somewhere here. This is a great brainstorming session. I agree. We're going to fix broadcasting. This is going to be amazing. All right. Before we jump to our our next segment, there was some news that came out. What kind of news? It was disgusting news, but it was news nonetheless. Patrick, my home said he wears the same underwear for every game. Oh my God. He gets, he got it from his wife. I think he said they were read a lot of detail. I'm giving out here more than I wish I had. And he said when they win, sometimes he doesn't wash them. So that made me ask the question, do you guys have any rituals or superstitions

or like special items that you wear in certain occasions? And that I'm gonna start with you. Honestly, no, I'm not a very superstitious person, but I will say like this is disgusting. Nasty, musty,y, like, gross. I cannot, I can't believe he does that. It's actually disgusting. Just thinking about like, how much you're sweating

within, like, the first five minutes of probably putting on your uniform, that is disgusting. But no, I don't have rituals like that, to be honest. I mean, like, when I was like playing basketball in high school, I would eat one banana and take a 30 minute nap right before every single game. So that was like a ritual, but nothing like went like with what I wear or anything like that.

That sounds like more like being lazy than a ritual. Football is disgusting though. That is a very good point. But, you know, where that ranks on the disgustingness is probably very low.. But you know, where that ranks on the disgustingness, it's probably very low. Joking a test at. Juju, what does your take on Patrick Rahom's not changing his draws?

Brat, this is like Chris Atonson. Who asked you this question? Why are you volunteering this information to earth at all? Brother, why show damn thralls? Man, what this hell is wrong with you? Is that no end? During the fact that you reveal it about yourself. Just don't make people want to get closer to you at all.

I want to kind of stay away a little bit more. And me personally, I absolutely do not have something that I wear all the time no matter what I'm in that. That's all my head. I do not have those rituals at all. I can't understand what he's talking about. My home's not changing is underwear on a week-to-week basis. Just for game day lucky

draws is like very low on the disgustingness totem pole in my experience. Joe, did you have anything special that you would wear every week? My underwear. Yeah. No, I mean, I were the same like compression shorts, but I washed them because they just fit the best. And on game day for most guys that I knew that we're in the NFL. Like I wore the same compression shorts, but I watched them because they just fit the best. And on game day for most guys that I knew that were in the NFL, like you wore the same socks, you wore the same pair of gloves, because once you find something that works perfectly, then it's something that you don't have to worry about.

I was so particular that if any tiny little thing was wrong with my kit, it felt like there was a rock in the bottom of my shoe. And I just couldn't think about anything else. I couldn't focus on my job. And that's why I think athletes like to Nats Point, you get into a routine. It's not that you're superstitious, but you know the routine gets you set up so that you can just focus on the game and not all the other stuff getting

ready to prepare for the game. And so that's why you stick with your routine. And I still don't understand why he don't wash his damn drawers. Like there is nothing positive about not washing them. Your key word was you washed your compression shorts. That's right. It's fine, as long as you wash it. At the same time, at the same time,

there are still disgusting things that happen, even beyond that, because it is nasty, you are sweaty immediately, like before you even go to the field, you start sweating. But let me tell you some of the disgusting things that happened in a game that just seemed normal to us. Guys just peeing themselves like that is. I don't know if people realize that, but in the NFL, guys, when you have to pee,

it's not like, Hey, coach, I'd like to take a party break. It's dirt. No, guys literally just pee on themselves during the course of a game and continue to play. How often does that really have every game? Probably of the, we'll call it 70 players that play in that game at least 25 P on themselves. Going to course. There's no way. Jo, it's got to be the same 25 then, Hawke. I feel like you're either a P on yourself guy

or you're not. No question. I am not a peel myself guy. I am a, get me a bottle, put the towels up around me, so the fans can't see my junk. Let me do my business on the sideline. I'm not gonna peel myself. I'm too disgusted. Everybody else does not care. Another thing that's disgusting,

they pee in the hot tub. The communal hot tub. How does this disgusting? They pee in the hot tub. Can we name some names? I need one pee on yourself, man, from the leaks. So I can judge him for the rest of my life. Let me think.

Do I look at my name? I don't know. I don't think it's my job to out anybody as a peon or so, God. But maybe we put a poll out. If you know NFL people or NFL friends or players, ask them if they pee on themselves during the game. Because you got to realize if you drag a bottle of water right now, Juju, what happens?

I'm going to be replenished. I'm going to be high. I'm going to be in the longer life. 45 minutes. What's going? What do you got to go? You got to go to the bathroom, right? I know God has blessed me luckily with a bladder that has succumbed like,

it has been through too much. So I'm still going to be cool at the 45. But in the NFL, you drink on average probably two to three gallons in a very short amount of time. We are drinking water constantly and gatorade and just literally pumping yourselves with fluids. Guys got to go. And if you are the kind of guy that is like, you know, I'm not going all the way to the

bathroom or I'm not going to pee on a cup in the sideline because we're out. If I got a pee, the last thing you want to be doing is thinking I have to pee in the middle of the football game. It's the worst thing you could possibly be thinking. If your mind is on the fact that you got a pee, so a lot of guys, I am telling you right here on the Tomahawk show, if you don't know, they piss on themselves every day.

That's wow work. White pants pants white tights to be damned. They don't brother. What's the blue tent for if not for that? The 40 out of the 10 and flip it over. Go ahead, CD Lamb. Relive yourself. There's so many discuss. Walk is taking Juja's advice right now and he's not outing himself

when really what he's trying to say is I was the guy that did that himself in every game. But now he can't do it anymore because he's not on himself today anymore. Thank you Chris Atomsen for the lesson that I've just learned We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be coming back. We're gonna get into an NFL news here on the Tomahawk show All right, welcome back to the Tomahawk show in the break We got into a discussion about Pian and the hot tub and they got a little heated and we're like, well, who was doing it?

And I'm like, yo, it was a couple of big white linemen that were peeing and Joe said that might be a white guy thing sometimes that they like to live on the edge. And I don't think it's a color thing, but there are certain things in the locker room. You know that black players do versus white players do. And the one of the biggest divisions and you hear this from any player is

wash cloth. Black players use wash rags to take showers, whereas the majority of the white guys just use their hand. And I don't understand it. You know, you seem like a white guy. Thank you. Although you said that I am trying to turn into a Mexican being down here earlier. So maybe I'm in between. Yeah. Your camera went completely shit for a second, but I think it's back. Um, so yeah, white guys use just a bar. So how does that work, Joe? Explain to us.

So I like this show and it's always been a great fun space for me because we dive into the cultural differences between black guys and white guys. And really that's all we can talk about other than Armenian on here, which is I don't know how she could throw into this discussion because I know that women are not nearly as nasty as male athletes. However, there is definitely a cultural divide over the washcloth issue for some reason, especially white dudes that come right out of college. And line men, yeah, I'm sorry, we're we are fat and disgusting and nasty. And I see so many white guys that go into the shower with nothing but so, which makes no sense to me. I have no idea how you can wash your body without a lufa, without a washcloth, without some type of a kutrumit or tool to be able to get in there and to get all the dead skin

and distinct off yourself. And for some reason in the black experience in America, they adopted washcloths as part of the shower every day scene. And the white guys never did. And maybe so we could lean into this and explain the, the root of this evil because I try to educate all the white dudes that I see going into the showers when I was playing that you need a washcloth to wash your ass. Otherwise, it just doesn't work. I agree, man. How do you get all the dirt? Tell me, I don't understand.

Maybe my hands are, maybe they got rough hands from lifting weights, and maybe there's a scrub to it that if you do it the right way, I see people like wash with an actual bar. And if you wonder, how do you see somebody take a shower, Hawk? Well, it's because we all shower together. It's bullshit. It's my biggest pet peeve, a professional football,

is that we have these billion dollar stadiums and facilities and yet when they'd say, okay, we're going to have every locker's gonna have a PlayStation and everyone will have their own personal trainer and the meals will be plentiful. And then when they get to the shower, they say, we'll put them all in the same one. No cover up, just, they'll be all right.

Just put 50 shower heads, a centimeter apart. We've had games, they probably don't get, cause you walk around peeing on yourself. They're like, they're like, I'm a hot pot of hot water. Right.

Listen, there was a report this week about, I think it was the commander's stadium that ran out of hot water, and it was a big deal. There was no hot water. I can't tell you how many damn games that we've played in the league where there was no hot water. What's, it happens all the time. There's been times, and there's been no water period.

We get back to the locker room, and they have clipped the water. There's nothing to take a shower or, in a visitor locker room in the NFL. There I forget what stadium, maybe it was Oakland stadium. But there was Oakland for sure Buffalo was horrible. There's like 15 shower heads. So what 15 shower heads mean for 80 people taking a shower and we have 10 minutes to do it,

we literally, this sounds crazy. We had to share showers at the same time. Oh, no. So what happens is this is, this is sounds wow. This is like going to be a viral moment, but I'm telling you how it works. This is no bullshit. Joe can attest to this. There's one shower going. I stand on one side. Joe stands on the other. And as we're lathering away, one person gets in, they get out. The other person does, and you literally have to share the shower head at the same time. Joe, am I lying? No, you're absolutely telling the truth. It was disgusting. It was one of those moments where you're like, this is what

pro sports looks like. It's like, this is how I wash my children. I put, when they're little, you turn the shower on, you get one rinsed, and then you get them soaked up as the other ones rinsing. But in Oakland, it's legit or in the old stadium, not nobody plays there anymore. I guess the baseball teams leave in now too, because apparently they had the shower. Sharon showers. The problem was also because they had this tiny little shower area. They had two shitters. And then half the shower area had to get taken up by the trainers equipment, because the training room was so small and they had

nowhere to put all their big boxes of like medical supplies and tape and everything. So half the shower was already taken with training equipment and the other half was like five showers which half of them weren't even hot. Right. So it was a nightmare situation to the point where when we would play there in preseason, there would be plenty of guys that wouldn't even shower after games because there was no good options and they didn't want to get packed in there like sardines and have to do the switch soap rinse routine and so they just didn't do it. But I think maybe the worst situation was the old metal land situation stadium in New York because they probably had

you know 20 shower heads but of the, there was only like four that worked. And we played there in the preseason once. And so I think there was only four showers for at that point, which was over 100 people. And on top of that, some places you have to shower with your coaches because the coaching staff doesn't have a separate showers. And unfortunately, some offensive line coaches out there don't take great care of themselves and can get rather large and obese And so to be lathering up and playing the the ring around the rosy rinse shower repeat game with your buddies under one shower head and all the sudden

You're 500 pound coach rolls in next to you. It's like Hey Joe great job with it. Don't you mad? Yeah, we really run the ball well today and you're like coach. This is the last thing I want to do right now What game as I'm standing next to you and rinsing and lathering with my buddy. Juju. Yeah, this is something like a hip-hop violation. This, y'all need to take this to the top.

To the president, Joe Biden right now, y'all brothers need to speak out. It's just some kind of way to find courage and being bold and just band together and get these stories out. Because I believe they owe y'all money for a stress just bad bad business. Oh my goodness.

I'm so sorry y'all brother had to go through that. We appreciate that, juju. Because it gets ugly. It gets ugly behind those scenes. So they're complaining about no hot water. What are we talking about? You don't even know the half. Other things that I found out that is not a white experience. White guys, you guys FaceTime Joe? Not like you black guys do. We would

much rather text. Yeah. Call somebody on the phone. That's then just constantly FaceTime. So there's certain things that I didn't learn a whole lot about to college, which we didn't really have FaceTime, but at the end of speaker phone. You guys like to talk and speak with each other all know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not a FaceTime person. I think is extremely intrusive when someone like FaceTime's me without an appointment that we didn't set up. I'm like, what, why do you want to see where I am right now? What the hell you think this is? It's like just walking in my front door. That's how I view it. Like you just opened my front door and was like, hawk, what's up man? How you doing? So I get really upset. But you're right. All of my black friends and family, they FaceTime. They like, they don't call, they don't take, they want to face, they face time. And I didn't realize until recently that that was a cultural difference of like, yo, I need you to see me. And I want to see exactly what you're doing. I remember the first player that started FaceTime and

me Shane. Shane went to Indiana. Shane went, I believe. Yeah, Shane went from Cleveland. That's my boy. Uh, uh, he, what's the thing? Shane? What? Uh, I love that guy. That's funny. We go way back. We got that part out there. I play football. Okay. I'm going to play in that on the discussions. So Shane, when we signed him as an undrafted, and I'm like, you know, I just met him. Hey man, I'm gonna, you know, help all the young guys out. He started FaceTime with me like when he was called,

I'm like, I tried to, I played it cool, but I remember thinking like, why the hell is this dude continuing to FaceTime me? But I was old and I didn't know that that was a young person thing that that's how they communicated through FaceTime But that is absolutely a cultural division thing I don't know, bro. I got a lot of friends of the black persuasion and nobody on FaceTime me Maybe I'm out of the age loop of work, but you FaceTime me you are Instantly on my shit. It's like I'm telling them I not answer your phone call no more. How dare you FaceTime me. That's so

rude. I'm a texture. No, no, no, I'm not a texture. I'm a caller. I would rather call you and get this six to seven seconds of 20-minute text messages in my tone. You can hear how I'm saying it. You're not going to take it offensive if you think I'm in it this way.

No, I brought my call you and tell you what I got to say. I'm never Face face time and you ever there's nobody on earth. I want to face time. Nobody. Nobody on earth. Face time is crazy. That is going a long way. That's taking this. Well, this hockey, here's an interesting, maybe story. I was in the locker room with one of our quarterbacks once. And I have a few black quarterbacks and just approved the point, we were in the shower because it was after practice after means. And it was just the two of us, but it got really uncomfortable. And it wasn't because of anything you did

to me, but he was face timing with his wife. As we were going into the shower, all of us, and it's prison showers systems here, there's not like separate showers. And he continued face timing while they were showering. And let me talk. It's prison showers systems here. There's not like separate showers. And he continued FaceTiming while they were showering. And it wasn't like a sexual thing or anything. They were talking. And he used the soap tray to put the phone down so it was like reaching up as he continued to face them. But I thought, man, I feel like that is over the line. Like, if you can do that at home and you want to like FaceTim, but I mean, I'm in here. And I don't think your wife wants to see a big fat offensive lineman naked even though I am one of the white guys that

uses a washcloth and does wash yourself properly. This is still not for her eyes to see and she does not want to get suffered that type of torture. You know what we're definitely throwing at into whatever class action lawsuit. Juju's going to get a supportive who wasn't Joe name it. Because we got to name some names after dark. No, no, no, name them. I bet I know who it is. If I guess what you tell me who it was, I will not say anything else. I'm going to turn

my screen off because you'll guess it in one guess. I know the coach you the coach you say after I have an idea of the coach you were talking about because you can't he became really popular online at one point. I'm not saying anymore. I don't

name names. Yeah. I'm not snitching out myself. No, anybody else, dude. Time of luck. If we get this on the RSS feed and you hear this, we need you to tweet us. Who do you think the coach was that Joe was showering with? And also, who do you think the player, Joe, FaceTime, their wife with, together?

That is not how the story was told, just for clarity. But if you want to clip that and make it seem like it was, I'm okay with it for the engagement. We've talked about that today, but I can almost guarantee I can guess who this playwright is. And I almost feel like they won't care if we name him. I'm gonna double check. I'm gonna reach out to him and I am going to see

if he is okay with us blaming him with what we just talked about. And then on that same note, Joe. You just guessed it, by the way. You just guessed it, the person perfectly, he would not say their name. All right, we're gonna take a break. We're actually gonna get into NFL news

when we come back, but we are having a ton of fun here on the Tomahawk show brought to you by the DraftKings Network and Metal Arc Media. ... ... All right, welcome back to the Tomahawk show. show brought to you by the Draft Kings Network and Metal Arc Media. All right, welcome back to the Tom Mahawk show. We've been talking a lot of locker room and just general player culture stuff here on today's episode.

And I did spark a memory of mine that I have on my phone. There was one time Josh Gordon was locked out of his Facebook account and he couldn't get into it. Gordon was locked out of his Facebook account and he couldn't get into it. And I had to take a picture with him holding a sign saying that he was Josh Gordon to my connect over at meta. Shout out to my guy over at over at meta with the connect. So in the locker, I take this picture with Josh Gordon that he signed. He's in front of like so we can get his account back.

And Joe is in like the distant background with his ass out. I said, I said that the meta, not realizing it. And you know, I'm gonna try to see if that picture is still on my phone because we're gonna put it on our social media accounts. Help, by a legend. I'll sign off on that. You can see my fat ass.

Okay. It's not anything that's being protected for potential gain in the future. It will blur it out. We'll blur it out on social media, but it will go viral. And again, we're getting all the engagement. Tom Hockshaw is gonna blow up this week if we actually follow through with any of this.

All right, we're gonna get it. Especially if you worried it, I sent a picture of Josh Gore until my connect. That, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

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Their defense led by Miles Garrett can play with anybody without the dish, the injured DeShawn Watson, am I tripping or are the browns going to the Super Bowl? I'm not just kidding, but are the browns going to be legit contenders in the AFC? Yeah, I like it Joe. I believe this is for you, my brother. Yeah, you're an outtripping. By the way, that was not ugly. That was a beautiful game. The browns have the number one defense in the NFL and being in a defensive slug fest is exactly the type of game we want right now since the Sean Watson's out for the season. That's what we needed. We gave

Dorian Thompson Robbins and the opportunity to be the hero. Take his team down the field at the end of the game, kick the game winning field goal. And we're probably going to sign Joe Flacco like yesterday. So he'll be the quarterback for the Browns, probably the rest of the week because my sources with the Browns have told me he worked out for them last week and he looked really, really, really, there was three release in my text, good. So loved DTR. He did awesome. I think he made an enormous improvement from where we saw him earlier in the year, but they're going to bring in Joe Facco and win the Super Bowl for Joe Facco, who will be a Hall of Fame quarterback. After he wins two Super Bowls with two different franchises.

Tell me how he doesn't get into the Hall of Fame hawk. Go. He definitely gets into the Hall of Fame. If you take the brown to the Super Bowl and they win, my man is a shoe in and I will be the one leading that trade. I also love how Joe references sources in a in a in a in a sideline report that was completely made up. It fits. It fits.

It fits. in a sideline report that was completely made up. I should have been sex for this one. It fits perfectly on theme for today's episode. I do think that with Joe Flacco, the Browns are back being a legit contender. DTR stepped in, he did well, but he didn't throw a single pass, pass five yards, he felt like the entire game. Like it was literally flat routes,

and anytime they tried to force him, he wouldn't do it until the very last second when they had to. And they came away with the W. Miles Garrett should be in contention for NFL MVP. And I mean that honestly because he is that dominant. Fat was next. All right. Next, the commanders, the chargers and the panthers all took another loss this weekend. Am I tripping or should Ron Rivera, Brandon Staley or Frank Rigg start refreshing

their resumes? Yeah. They should all update their LinkedIn pages. It's time. And I don't know if any of those I feel bad about, it would be Frank right because he has a rookie quarterback and I just think they don't have nearly enough pieces around him to see what he actually is. But then with the success of CJ Stroud, it's like, wow, you could have, it seems like you'd be in a better spot if you went that way. There's still time though. Yeah, he wasn't the one that drafted Bryce Young. He shouldn't get blamed for it. Yeah.

By all accounts, he was the one that wanted CJ Stroud and they were a terrible team. That's why they're drafting at the top of the draft anyway. I know they traded into that spot, but there were just a few spots behind. So for him to get fired, I would think it'd be a travesty. I think he's a great coach. I think you have to give him an opportunity. And the fact that they drafted Bryce Young has more on the owner and the GM than it is on the head coach.

So Kim fired him because CJ Young was a better quarterback because that was his guy he liked in the first place. Yeah, but those other guys are toast. But they, but they, but if they think that Bryce Young is good still, and they're just like, oh, you're, you're not getting them out of, you're not getting out of him with their getting out of CJ Shrub because it's the coaching. And you know how? I mean, young owner, doubly screwed.

Not only do they not draft the guy that he wants, then when the guy that they want comes in in very first year, they fire him for not getting the most out of the guy that they wanted, who maybe he's not as good as the guy that he wanted, which we're seeming to see that this season. And Joe is perfectly describing why NFL coaches contracts are guaranteed because this is why they lobby for the buyout, Juju. Yeah, you get the Frank right. I got compassion in my heart for that brother. Like get well soon. I hope that Carol out of panties give you an opportunity to redeem yourself in the future. But Ron Rivera, Brandon Staley,

do not let the doorknob hit you or the good Lord split you because it is time. There is nothing happening in those two organizations other than failures right now. You should not lose that game to the Giants yesterday and you should not lose the Jordan love and them boys. Back to you, Hulk. All right.

What we got next that last one. Okay. So a pregame report from Jake Lasers said that Aaron Rogers sent the jets a video of himself working out and it blew their minds. Glazer also said that Rogers wants to start practicing with the jets as early as December 2nd. And if they stay in playoff contention, actually play by mid December. Am I tripping or does Aaron Rogers want to see Hawk running around in a thong on South Beach?

Yeah. Juju remembers this promise that if I said that Aaron Rogers came back this year, I would run around in a thong on South Beach. And that was like right after the Achilles injury. So now I am God, I'm clearly going to reverse course and say that I that was like right after the Achilles injury. So now I am absolutely gonna reverse course and say that I don't think he ever tours Achilles. Now, if he comes back, I need to see actual medical reports.

I need to see actual MRI scans to prove that he actually had the injury that he was touting. And this is not some elaborate hoax just to say I'm throwing it in the face of science and Hawkek Joe. So now hawk is asking for further proof, which is definitely not going to happen. So he knows that he's not going to have to run around on a thong on South Beach, because there's no way hawk is going to get that MRI. And it does seem like

your Roger is going to come back. However, this report is filed under the made up reports with Ferris Thompson because the beginning part is like anything that anybody could say, oh, yeah, he texted a video of himself to the ownership group and they were very impressed. They were blown away. He said nothing. But the consciousness of that report, though, at the end, where he's going to practice potentially by December 2.

But when you start giving that level of detail, you start wanting, okay, maybe there is something there. Yeah, it's because there's now there's deadlines. I will say if I can afford to go to the private island that Joe was on right now, I would run around there in a thom because there's nobody there because Joe has rented out that entire island by himself because he is that rich. Why didn't you end up in a thong in all these scenarios. Yeah.

I don't want to really get in the phone. Do you have a friend of ours that always like dares or like that? If this doesn't happen, I'll run around the house naked or I'll like jump into the late naked. The guy that really wants to be naked and so he's trying to find any reason to get naked, but then have that plausible. He's like, well, Hey, it was the bad. I got to do it.

I'm told that that the case of here, I lost the bet. Fat net, could we get a matching background to Joe? Please, I'm his background looks fake. And I just want to prove to the people at home that see anybody could do that. They're not special, Joe. There's nothing. I would run around that beast.

There you go. Now, Fat Net is in Porto Vierta. When we come back on a quick break, we're going to talk Thanksgiving. And there's a very good likelihood that Juju will also be in Porto Vierta, Mexico. All right, we'll be right back. Yes, y'all, and we go.

Welcome back to the Tomahawk Show. And just like that, Jujuju is now important, Viarta. Everybody is taking vacations for Thanksgiving week to celebrate with family, or at least the very rich versions of their family that can afford to go to Mexico during the three-day break they get from work. But that's a whole other topic. What we want to do now is we want to do one of our world

famous Tomahawk drafts. And what we're going to be drafting is Thanksgiving food. And the reason why I love the Thanksgiving food draft, which seems like a tradition like no other here at the Tomahawk show is because you get a glimpse into everybody else's cultures and what they think is important. If a fire alarm goes off in the background, don't worry about that. We're going to continue to keep going. So we're going to do a Tomahawk draft for three rounds. Everybody gets to pick. We'll let Nat go first. Second pick will be

juju, third pick, Joe. I'll go last in the draft because I always win them and we'll go from there. So you don't always win them and we'll go from there. So you don't always win these. That movie, Draft Halloween, I bet to differ. Oh, man, we never put it on social media. Well, we're going to put the results. The diet in that room. We're going to put the results on social media and that's going to go viral.

It's like our 15th viral moment of this show. So as you would imagine, this show is going to be huge for the for the lift of the Tom Hock show. All right, with the first overall draft pick of the 2023 Thanksgiving Tomahawk draft, Nat, you are drafting foods. What is your number one Thanksgiving food pick? Okay, I don't know if this is a hot take, but mashed potatoes. And I don't know if it's just my dad makes really, really, really good mashed potatoes. And like, that's the thing I go for like seconds and thirds every year. So that's my number one pick.

Ooh, man, we got laughs. We got snickers from, I know. I feel like that was a terrible technique. Oh, judging me. I love you, that was a terrible pick. You just have a good Master Tatos then. I'm telling you, a good Master Tatos is elite. I'm with you, Nat.

I think in the Master Tatos definitely in my top three. Yeah, it would without it, it doesn't mean that it's Thanksgiving. And it gets elevated with the butteriness. You had some sour cream, some garlic in there. That's incredible. Yeah, gravy, like a gravy bowl on top. It's amazing. Yeah, she didn't say gravy bowl. She said her dad and mashed potatoes. So you get your dad and been there in the second round that all right with the second overall pick of the time of hog draft We got about three minutes here, juju. What is your first pick?

Always got to get this how it's doing that chicken. Oh, down. Always got to get this. I was doing that chicken. Oh, fry. What kind of chicken? Get specific. I don't know. But he says chicken chicken. Huge imagination. You're just chicken. They chicken. I say that baked chicken. That's like draft in a whole position. Like I pick wide receiver. That's not you got to, you got to give me some with the first overall pick in the 2024 NFL

draft. Chicago Bay chicken quarter back. with the first overall pick in the 2024 NFL draft. Chicago bad. That's a good quarterback. Look, that's a path to should have caught a back. Yeah. This is what it's just this is why I stopped to be a GM because whoever does better after the first year. It's tough to be a GM because Juju doesn't want to say fried chicken

because he knows not everybody eats that. So he's trying to keep it blank in it where it hits every demographic in the version of chicken they want and he thinks it's going to get him votes. But okay, I'm going to put you down as big chicken whether you like it or not. Joe, your first pick, we got two and a half minutes left of the Tomahawk Thanksgiving draft. Truthfully, the thing that I look forward to the most for our Thanksgiving is the Pillsbury Crescent Rolls that my wife always makes.

And it's probably a little bit because I don't need a lot of bread. I'm not like a big carb guy usually, but for the holidays, I always make the exceptions. And I love those because I can dip it in Matt's dad's mashed potatoes and gravy. I can take that bite. I can slather it with like that creamy Irish butter all over the place. And every single bite of my green bean casserole, my squash, my I feel like you're trying to indirect go with a crescent roll with butter. And that's why it is my MVP. All right. So I feel like you just drafted six players there. No, I'm only drafting one, but I'm telling you why it is the best.

I don't give a damn wiggle room to tell me anything else is good. All right. I'm with you. We got about a minute and 20 seconds. My first overall pick is lasagna. I eat it every Thanksgiving. It is a black, it's a black steak. That came out of a love field.

We're so big. Tell you again. Carro! Carro, producer Carro! I'm telling you, in a black household, there is gonna be lasagna on Thanksgiving day and it is going to slap Okay, so what cultural differences here on the top of a show all right. We're moving quickly that second pick Okay, I'm taking pumpkin pie

Pumpkin pie classic that's classic things. Oh, man. That is classic white people Thanksgiving More cultural differences. This is why I love it, Nat. All right, Juja, your second pick. We got about 40 seconds. Turkey. Turkey. I'm surprised.

They failed. They failed. I'm taking all the bit boys out the board. I want to eat. I'm in my house. I got everything. You got all these. This is in the carnivore diet.

They're every chicken and turkey. That's it. I'm going green being casserole with a little crispies on top. It's a great, great Thanksgiving treat, because you don't really eat that normally because it's not that great. But it's kind of like turkey in that regards. I'm with you. I'm going to go sweep a Tata pie.

That's good. That is the black version of pumpkin pie. That is the equivalent of the Patriots drafting a wide receiver in net. And the Miami dolphins drafting a wide receiver in my pick in the second round. All right. Last round, we got about 20 seconds, Nat. What do you got? I'm going mac and cheese. Oh, what a big I can't believe I left that on the board. Dang it. I have the best, I have the best team. So you do have a solid team. All right, Judy, what's your pick? Third round. Last one. I was gonna take it, but I just give it to the kind of greens, man. Go ahead.

Another good one. Yeah, we don't have color greens. I know that's a big surprise for you guys. I'm going to go with the squash with. Oh my God. The butter on top. It's amazing. It's a nice fault.

I don't think I've ever had squash in my life. I don't think I've ever had squash on it. It's like potatoes, but sweeter. Yeah. Amazing. All right. I am going to go with stuffing or dressing, depending on what cultural background you have with gravy. Yeah. all right. I am going to go with stuffing or dressing depending on what cultural background you have with gravy. All right. So we'll put it on. We'll see who wins this. That does it for this. Thanks giving special edition episode of the Tomahawk show.

We thank you to the Tomahawk for listening as always. We back next week. Same time. Same place. Shout out to the DraftKings Network and MetalLark Media. Hit us up on socials at Tomahawk show and get our podcast, subscribe, and rate five stars wherever you listen. Until next time, Joe, take us out. Thanksgiving and Mexico, Joe, I'll go south! What accent that was? Good.