The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz - Top Five NFL Week 8 Games to Watch, Packers Force Rodgers to Turn Left, Brandon Perna on How the Broncos Confuse their Fans, Plus Green Bay Great Ahman Green Ranks Packers QB Legends

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

NFL Week 8 is about to kick off. We list the top five NFL games to watch, including a revenge game (let's be real) for Aaron Rodgers against the Packers. Then Dave answers a huge hypothetical question: What if Seattle never left the AFC? Then Brandon Perna answers a philosophical question: Who in their right mind would ever want to become an NFL official? Then Ahman Green answers a monetary question: Would Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers ever pick up a tab? Safe to say, Dave Dameshek and the gang have the necessary answers to the most important questions to the most important sport in the world on Football America! (Photo by Kareem Elgazzar/AP) Timestamps: (00:00:00-00:03:30) | What if the Seahawks Never Left the AFC? (00:03:30-00:12:14) | Best 19s and Pick Six (00:12:14-00:31:34) | Top Five Games with Brandon Perna (00:31:34-00:49:50) | Ahman Green on the Packers Matchup and best QBs AUDIO Football America! is available wherever you listen to podcasts. Leave us a 5-star review on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/football-america/id1831757512 Follow us: Dave Dameshek: https://x.com/dameshek Ahman Green: https://x.com/AhmanGreen30 Brandon Perna: https://x.com/BrandonPerna Host: Dave Dameshek Guests: Ahman Green, Brandon Perna Team: Gino Fuentes, Mike Fuentes, Bradley Campbell Director: Danny Benitez Senior Producers: Gino Fuentes, Mike Fuentes Executive Producer: Bradley Campbell Arizona Cardinals, Atlanta Falcons, Baltimore Ravens, Buffalo Bills, Carolina Panthers, Chicago Bears, Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Browns, Dallas Cowboys, Denver Broncos, Detroit Lions, Green Bay Packers, Houston Texans, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs, Las Vegas Raiders, Los Angeles Chargers, Los Angeles Rams, Miami Dolphins, Minnesota Vikings, New England Patriots, New Orleans Saints, New York Giants, New York Jets, Philadelphia Eagles, Pittsburgh Steelers, San Francisco 49ers, Seattle Seahawks, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Tennessee Titans, Washington Commanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Absence makes the heart grow fonder, maybe. You know, I have a lot of great memories from my time there. A lot of great interactions with fans over the years. You know, I grew up there. I spent 18 years there. I'm 21, 39, so I'm thankful for my time there. Obviously, we would love to write up on the sunset after a Super Bowl win, but that's not the way to lead go sometimes.

And, you know, I knew the writing was on the wall when Jordan was picked. And as a matter of time, I happened to win MVP, the first two years he was with us. But I knew at some point there would be a change. And if I wanted to play, it'd probably have to be elsewhere. So I understand the situation. Counterpoint, Aaron? There might never have been in absence if Seattle had just stayed in the AFC in 2002 when the Texans joined the league, and it might have resulted in a bizarro version of the Malcolm Butler game featuring two would-be Steelers' QBs. We now know back in Ott 2, the NFL replaced the Oilers who'd moved to Tennessee with the Houston Texans and the Seahawks

in the name of balanced divisions, serving as the sacrificial lamb bouncing over to the NFC West. Now, if we keep Seattle and the AFC West, someone's got to go. Rivalries be damned. The real losers here, then, are the other members of the AFC South, because the division's new member is, the Kansas City Chiefs, who'll be a real tough out once they draft a Texas Tech QB in 2017. But that's still on the alternate reality horizon, so let's focus on the second decade of this century,

where Peyton is transitioning from Colt to Bronco, and the AFC Hawks are on the rise with the Legion of Boom and their wee QB Russell Wilson. While over in the NFC, Sean Payton's bounty, Gaiton Saints aren't enough to stand in the way at Jim Harbaugh, Colin Kaepernick, and the 49ers. And after coming up just short against the Ravens in Super Bowl 47, the Niners make their second straight Super Bowl

in Chile, New Jersey, against the Bronco, you know, wait a second. If Denver couldn't beat Seattle in Super Bowl 48, why do we assume they would beat them in the AFC title game? We shouldn't. And we won't. So, that means New Jersey is host for the Niners v. Seattle Seahawks. In this reality, that's a matchup we've only seen probably three or four times since the Hawks joined the NFL in 76.

Now let's give that one to the Niners, if for no other reason, then it would upset the snowflakes who got vapors because a QB took a knee during a song. Better yet, maybe Bad Bunny can go back in time to play the halftime show there. Next season, the Niners are feeling. feeling satiated with that new Lombardia theirs, and no one gets in the way of the Packers and MVP Aaron Rogers. So yes, after surviving Des Bryant's non-catch that was a catch, Green Bay heads to Super Bowl 49 to play Russ and the Hawks. Deja vu! Yeah, Hawks! Tom Brady, Malcolm Butler, and the Pats are out, but you're still playing a Hall of Fame-bound QB who wears the number

12 and likes putting nature in his body. Speaking of which, Sedona's too close. Rogers vanishes midweek for a darkness retreat and forgets it Super Sunday till after high noon. Very high noon. He makes it just in time to throw the go-ahead touchdown to Jordy Nelson, but with only seconds left and the ball near the Packers goal line, Russops against running and throws it. But Packers' DB Morgan Burnett drops a would-be game-ending interception at the goal line. Marshawn Lynch scores on the next play, and the Seahawks are champs. Time is a flat circle, Aaron.

You'll be back. Or you can go to the Steelers. me let's start the show you know in that division restructure i was very tempted to move the cowboys out of the nfc east and into the a fc south so dallas and houston would play two lone star balls every year either way let's just move on hi and hello my fellow football americans welcome to football America presented as ever by draft kings draft kings the crown is yours it's time to get right for the weekend of football we've got from that's good sports brandon perna coming up to help us make our picks in the biggest games and packers legend amon green on green bay and all the rest of it welcome

to nflb league eight welcome to episode 19 as always fellas gino and mike mike and gino let's figure this out which pro football player wore that number nine best. I'm going to leave the floor to you. I think the obvious one is, since neither one of you, obviously I'm not old enough to have seen him play either, but at least he's a little fresher in my brain. It's Johnny Unitas. How say you fellas? We were talking most of this over and we mostly came up with soccer players, to be honest. Yeah. I mean, so the record books say Johnny United. Yeah. Johnny Unitas, I mean, it's also one of the great football names. Yeah, but we're doing Fusible or Fuchibol or football. You can do a young Messi before he

change his number to 10. Correct. Before they sent Ronaldino to AC Milan, Messi actually wore the number 19, yes. And then we had speaking with Milan, Clarence Seedorf, the Dutch maestro. I think Bradley had one too.

Bradley had Gerr Mueller, right? We had Dwight York. Dwight York. Yeah, the pride of the Trinidad and Tobago. Also, Gerd Mueller, who, uh, German, Byron Munich legend, who also played with Ray Hudson down here

with the Ford Lauder. Which is to say that there's not a lot of good 19th besides Johnny United States, as you can tell. Well, there's plenty of them in World Contrere. Ocontrere, I don't know any of the names you just said. I do know the name Mo Damashek. This must be what Mo Damashek hears when I talk about football. And I bring that name up because

she told a great story about one pro football player. Mike Ditka, go back and listen to the episode earlier this week. It was a positively grand time with Mo Damashek and Jeff Schwartz and our pal from Heed the Call. Mark Sessler, a lot of reaction to that. We appreciate you football Americans for reacting to that and spreading the good word about the show. Keep it up, YouTube, and wherever you find your audio podcasts. You guys forgot, you say Messi before he got good, Joe Montana, after his prime had already ended. We did not say that. We did not say that.

Messy was already good. He was already good. They just had another guy wearing number 10. They got rid of that guy. And then Messi, who was very good, got even better. But he was already very good. Okay. Either way, Joe Montana goes to K.C.

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was a big game back in the day. Bernie Kosar of the of the Cleveland Browns, of course, maybe the best quarterback in the Super Bowl era for those Cleveland Browns. That's damning with fame praise. Kishon Johnson, Miles Austin. It's a great number across the sports landscape because in baseball, Tony Gwyn and Robin Young and in hockey, Steve Eisenman, Joe Sackick and Larry Robinson to round things out not as impressive in the NBA, but Willis Reed, the guy who had the classic game, of course, when the Knickerbockers took down the Lakers to win that title in, what was that, 1970. So there you have it. Number 19 honored, and I guess we agree, it's going to be Johnny Unitas here. Time now. I'm not even leaving you guys room to respond there because

we must keep our foot on the gas. We have much to get to and starting off with, it's time for this week's pick six presented as ever by Draft Kings. Draft Kings. The crown is yours and fellas, you know, it's almost Halloween. We still don't have a million dollars. That's on you. I'm going to step in here and try to play hero. I'm going to give you a half dozen names. And like I've been doing the last couple weeks, I'm going to keep it to just touchdown scores. I don't need yardage and otherwise. I'm going to keep it nice and clean. These guys are going to find the end zone. And then come, you know, Monday morning, we'll collect a million dollars if that's okay with you. Here we go. You're ready? You like that? Okay. I know we agree on this. Jalen hurts to score a

touchdown. Always. Queen Sean Judd, right? I mean, just about every week. As long as the tush push is there. Half a yard out of time. We're doing it. Okay. Queen Sean Judkins, I told you last week he would score a touchdown.

He scored two. Think he does it again this week. They do not trust Dylan Gabriel at the goal line, especially when they have Quinn Sean Duncan. So I agree with you there. Yeah, literally. That's a great point. Yeah, wildcat formations at the goal line now.

I hadn't really considered that, Gino, but that's absolutely right. that, you know, half the league, two-thirds of the league is fine with pushing on the butt of their QB. The Browns are not one of them. They have the heavyweight in Judkins there. Speaking of heavywee, Cam Scadaboo, now Jackson Dart likes to run into the end zone himself, but Scadaboo keeps getting in there since he took over, right? Yeah, I mean, the memes of him being a battery grab are pretty funny. Yeah, he may be one of those better to burn out than fade away

type of cats but in the short term I like him to get into the end zone once again best running back in football in 2025 is unquestionably by John Robinson he's going to get into the end zone against your beloved Miami Dolphins right I mean that'd be the obvious thing you also have Drake London coming up

for the second one throw all your falcons on your fantasy team everybody you think maybe Kyle Pitts I'd wait on but Drake London be John Robinson I'll probably throw Tyler Alger in there, too, because if he gets a short yardish thing, he'll probably get it. But play all your Falcons. Literally, if I was giving you a pick, I'd say Michael Pennix, too. Why not?

In two touchdowns, you can cash Michael Pennix, Bejohn, and Drake London. So why not put them all in there? I am interested in that, but instead, I am going to travel to the banks of the three rivers to predict a couple touchdown passes off the right arm of number eight, nay, number 10. Jordan Love is going to throw at least two touchdown passes against that inexperienced. explicably lousy Steelers defense. You saw what happened on Thursday night football week ago against Jamar Chasin T. Higgins.

I think Jordan Love has a nice evening himself in front of a national audience. And Aaron Rogers and all the rest of it. There you have it. Your pick six there. You want to throw some names in there, fellas? I got one for you. The team playing the Dallas Cowboys this week

is the Denver Broncos and they happen to be at home. So let's do J.K. Dobbins is that if I'm going to take any of yours out for that one, it would be Scataboo. time because Jalen Carter's playing. That's the only reason. Yeah. Like I said, I'd said mine during the pick. I said, Michael Pennix. Play everyone against the Dolphins. Like I said, if you get lucky the first two touchdowns, cash all three of them. You'll get Pennix. You'll get Bejohn and you'll get Drake London. So they'll questionable to play at the moment, but it looks

like he's going to play. Who do you take out? Who do I take out? Wow. I'd probably say Skadaboo for the same reason, just because, you know, Jackson Dart likes to poach rushing touchdowns. So Skadaboo might have to take it out from like more than 10 yards out. He has a good past catching back, so it would probably be Skadaboo, not because I don't like Skadaboo, just because he's probably the one less likely out of everybody else. But as opposed to you two weirdos, I like to ride the hot hand and Scataboo keeps getting into the end zone, but I'm going to lean in your direction here. I think that maybe you're right.

He can't score a touchdown every week after all. So let's plug in one of yours. One more question while I have Gino and Mike, Mike and Gino's ear here. Devil, Angel on either shoulder. I don't know which is which here. But in my fantasy league, should I start Michael Pennix? I almost picked up Kirk Cousins on the news that Michael Pennix has a bum knee this week, but it sounds like Pennix is going to be in there.

Do where I go, Pennix, a little hobbled against the atrocious, atrocious Miami Dolphins, or do I go with Jackson Dart against the Eagles? Penix. Whoever is playing the Dolphins has an easy game, easy mode for anyone who's playing the dolphins. I don't think you should be fooled too much by the last time the Giants played the Eagles. I'm not saying that he can't replicate it, but the dolphins are just so bad on defense. Like, I would go Pennix, yeah.

And if it is Kirk Cousins, go ahead and get Kirk Cousin and start him. Yeah, that's my only concern is that Pennix is limpy. Otherwise, he would obviously be in there thrown with that South Pahe. All right, listen, now my appetite is whet. Let's keep talking about NFL week eight. All right, let's get it rolling here with one of the more entertaining voices is in pro football and really anything that is to be buzzed about on YouTube. You want to be checking this cat out.

That's good sports. It is a phenomenal program and it is a gigantic hit. Grassroot style too, not backed by the deep pocketed pro football league or otherwise. In fact, about a decade or so ago, his supporters used to get all over me on social media saying, get Brandon on your show, get him in an NFL network. all the rest of it. He deserves all the success he's having on YouTube. Like I say, the name of the show is, That's Good Sports. He sings and does all the rest of it. Just you wait, Henry Higgins. It's our pal, Brandon Perna. How are you, pal? I knew one person would like that reference.

It was very strong. It was very strong. Henry Higgins, yes. I'm good. Thanks for having me, Dave. Of course. Of course. Well, yeah, great to catch up, especially right now. Well, you're riding high. All Broncos fans are riding high. What did you make of the crazy game that you saw on Sunday? I think it honestly confused me more about the team I root for. Like when you can watch your team score 33 points in a single quarter and none for the first three, you don't know who your team is offensively. Now we play the Cowboys this week, so I have no idea how that's going to go.

Confused. I am so confused about football. this moment. Well, sure. Week to week, it is, it's confounding stuff. I think you escape with a victory. We talk about it all the time on this show. College football is a different beast. If you get a W, take it and move on and ask few, if any questions about it. You survived the phenom, I guess, phenom adjacent Jackson Dart along with his pal Cam Scataboo. You should be happy with the victory there. We can't get snobby. The Broncos, aren't ready yet for for there to be higher taste applied here win and move on bow nicks and all the

rest of it right yeah there's a you know there's a lot to to develop i think for for bow that we thought would already be happening this season based on kind of the second half of last year we thought that's when he and sean peyton kind of figured out how the offense functions and it feels like they they started over and we're dealing with the same issues we saw the first half of last year. It's streaky. Their offense is so streaky. The three quarters without any points, like, that's not new.

It's happened to every game. They score kind of in waves, and then it's just dry, and you're banking on the defense to keep them in the game. So that's kind of how they've gone. I think the thing I'm impressed with, based on the win against the Giants, is they survived the NFL officials. They survived a terrible, terrible, egregious past. interference call, and they still won after the Giants scored a touchdown with 30 plus seconds

left. So if you can overcome that, I think you can win some games. Now, the leverage penalty back in the Colts game, that was too much for them. We learned leverage was too much. But I think they're learning how to beat the officials and their opponents, except for the fact that Dre Greenlaw is now suspended for a week because of yelling at the ref after the game. So, isn't it weird that The Broncos are on the wrong end of that call in Indy, but Indy has the A.D. Mitchell play in L.A., and those might be the two best teams. They are the two best teams by record, and they both have weird losses, both have some weird strikes against them. Sean Payton, do you, before we jump in, oh, you know what, actually, before anything else, you mentioned the referees and you're a philosophical sort. what kind of human being

wants to be a referee? Did you know anybody growing up who like, yeah, I wouldn't be a ball player when I grow up? I want to be a fireman. I want to lord the rules over all others. How say you? I don't know.

I've thought about that. I'm like, as much as I complain about, you know, the refs, it takes some courage to do that, I think. I think it makes you a weirdo. You have a chip on your shoulder if you're an official because you, obviously, you wouldn't want to be close to the sport. You'd want to be in the sport. Oh, well, I'm not good enough to play the sport. All right.

Well, then I am going to use my powers to annoy all the people that are better at this sport than I am. Right or no? If you like annoying people, I think that's one. Maybe it's a power trip thing for some people. I think there are guys who are just passionate about the game and want to be around it, even if that's the only way to be around it. who's the who's the the ref that was protecting uh j s in the other night i like that guy i like him he was a human barricade that man i respect i want more of him Nate Jones is his name Nate Jones maybe I forget yes yes mighty superhuman pro football player worth uh a thousand

times more than I am let me protect you let me put my body on the line to defend you um so Sean Payton in your book now a few years of exposure to him coaching up your team. Does he deserve the title in the year of the Lord 2025, QB Whisper? No, not yet.

QB Whisperer? I think he might whisper things about quarterbacks that get him into trouble. I heard about that. Yeah, I think like, I don't know, Sean is kind of a lightning rod

for attention. I don't know if it's intentional by him. him. I don't know if he just has this baseline way of saying things that rub people the wrong way. I don't know if it's overconfidence paired with the fact that I do think he's good. I think he knows NFL offenses. I think my biggest issue with Sean right now is I think he truly believes he can call a game like Drew Breeze is still his quarterback. And he he can't. And when he and Drew parted ways, they were at, you know, they were at this level. And he thinks

Bo can get right up there quickly. And I'm not sure he's doing enough to help bridge the gap until Bo gets to that level, if he can get to that level. Boy, that's super interesting. I hadn't really considered that. Right, that a play designer, you would put them into two buckets, either run the offense, do the stuff that I like to do as the play caller, or adapt to the specific skill set of your player. We've seen that happen before. This is really for a guy who's supposed to be a whiz with offense and specifically with quarterbacks. He is sort of like a band that was really good 20 years ago that insists on playing the hits instead of making new music. Yeah, that's fair. And I think like it's not all on Sean. There's execution

problems. There's penalty problems. And I think Beau's a young quarterback, right? He's in year two. I mean, he's a young quarterback relatively, right? He was in college for nine years or 20 years, whatever people want to joke about. He's played a lot, but there are parts of his game that aren't there yet. There are gaps in the middle of the field. There's a tendency to just go to the checkdown too quickly. Some of the same problems we saw with Russell Wilson when he was in Denver. And I think Sean takes unfair criticism when sometimes it's, you know, probably Bo's decision to,

check down, swing past your, you're running back or whatever, and that play isn't working. So I hope it just clicks, and I hope it clicks for a full game. Just show me a few full games of points scored in the first quarter, second quarter, third quarter, and fourth quarter. I got to say, man, it's a recurring point of mind that if you really want to know the flaws of a team, talk to somebody who is obsessed by that team and loves that team, that's what I'm hearing from you, Perna. You're nitpicking here when I think most of Football America is looking at the Broncos and saying, what a nice story that is. All right, let's jump in to the NFL week eight

countdown. We'll go from five down to one picking what we have determined to be the most important games, the most entertaining games, potentially. We'll start it off Chicago Bears, Baltimore Ravens home team. It sounds like Lamar Jackson is going to be out there. Hobbled though he may be. They're laying six and a half. The total is 49 and a half at the time of this recording. Pernah, how say you? Are the Ravens favorite here? Oh, yeah.

The Ravens favored by... Man, this is tricky because I was thinking about this before in that I don't think the Ravens are actually as bad as their record. Now, they've been playing as bad as their record, and, you know, they miss Lamar there. But we've been talking about doing a Bears video and how Chicago is kind of... a team that's playing pretty good football, and their defense is opportunistic. They've got a ton of turnovers, and I don't feel like the bears are getting enough credit for developing into a good football team.

They're running the ball as well as anyone now. Ooh. But I think the Ravens are going to win. I think I like the Ravens to have a bounceback game. It's just too many bad games from a team that we believe is better than this, right? Roquan Smith looks like he's going to be back. Yeah, I think it adds up to in a game that the Ravens just have to have, and they have to have most of the games remaining on their schedule if they want to win the division and all the rest of it. I say they get this one, 1917. Number four, NFCE Showdown, it's the New York Giants, it's the Philadelphia Eagles.

Eagles laying seven and a half, 44 and a half is your total on this one, Pernichews. Oh, man, a rematch already, right? Mm-hmm. I like Philly. I think the Giants used too much of their luck against the Broncos. I'm going superstition here. Too much luck against Denver, and they still couldn't win. And I think Philly's not going to make the same mistakes they made from when the first time they played the Giants.

Gut punch game for the Giants. They would be feeling good otherwise, but blowing that one probably. has created some mixed feelings for them. I think the Eagles trying to get back in form a good performance in week seven. I think they continue that role. I think they win by double digits there. At number three, let's get to it. The game of the week, for me, at least we've been talking about it a little bit here. Super Bowl 45 rematch Packers at the Steelers. The Steelers, a home dog, plus three and a half. Total is 45 and a half. Pernah, the shoes. Yeah. You know, I'm a little concerned for the Steelers because Aaron Rogers in his little locker room speech, I think it was yesterday, said this is not a revenge game. He's got no animosity towards the Packers. I think Aaron Rogers plays best when he's got a spite game, when it is, when there is animosity. Now, maybe that's just, you know, he's trying to trick us. But I need to believe this is a revenge game for Rogers.

I think the Packers are a better team. I think we're seeing what Micah Parsons means to their defense in terms of his pressure rate, how often he's double-teamed. And as soon as I started to believe in their Steelers, based on their defense, Flacco picked them apart. All that said, though, I think the Steelers are going to win this game. Wow! So I do, because I really do believe deep down Rogers still is angry.

with the Packers, and I'm not betting against that. You think? Yeah. I mean, come on. Obviously, he's saying the right things. Jordan loves saying the right things. No one wants to increase the heat on them pregame. Obviously, listen, Aaron Rogers has spoken novels about that situation.

It doesn't suddenly switch off those emotions. I'm going to go, Packers, let's reflect the Super Bowl 45 score, 3125, the Packers are to get this one. Yeah, I feel like Rogers cares. It's the dynamic of Don Draper in the elevator with the junior copywriter. Aaron Rogers can say whatever he wants, but deep down, he's the junior copywriter saying, I feel sorry for you. No one would ever go to Green Bay if it hadn't been for me and the Packers and Jordan Love and Guten Coonson, the rest are looking back and I'm saying, we don't think about you at all, Aaron. We're on the better days over here. I do unfortunately think the Packers are going to win that game.

Roger see this, sees this very clip, because if he finds out he's not the Don Draper in this metaphor or analogy, I think that's going to give him more motivation. By the way, speaking of Don Draper, I've heard tale that he may make an appearance on a podcast called Football America next week. Be on the lookout for that. That would be exciting times if we did that. In the meantime, at number two, there he is. This guy? Ham. Yeah, you know him. Yeah, he was the fourth lead in that movie tag everybody knows him he did those uh he did those uh progressive insurance ads yeah i mean you've seen him yeah yeah he's done he's done a lot of good work in show business all right at number two we have the commies against the chiefs time of this recording casey laying 12 and a half

this is a team that infamously until i guess midway through last season didn't cover against anybody in arrowhead now they've kind of turned that around still 12 and a half is heavy 47 and a half is the total. No Jaden Daniels, of course. That's why the number is so large. How say you, Perna? Yeah, the Chiefs look to be, they appear to be pretty good right now.

They're a very healthy team. Patrick Mahomes playing really good. The offense is scoring, a lot of points. I don't think I could take Washington, even if Jaden Daniels was playing. Ten and a half's a lot. I

like the commies to cover there, but I do not think they're going to win this game. Chiefs by like a touchdown. Well, it's Marriota. He's not a ham and egg or he's fine. He's a vet. He's sort of in that role. Now he's at the station in his career where you can probably get a nice, competent performance at minimum out of him. Yeah. And, you know, I want to see Von Miller get another sack on Patrick Mahomes. That's when I knew Patrick was going to be a problem when I watched him escape like Vaughn Miller and then throw like left-handed completions against Denver. I'm like, wait, what just happened? And the Chiefs just played a Raiders team that I felt like put up very little effort.

And I think it's tough when you're an NFL team coming off a game that easy. And then you got a, you know, play a, I haven't figured out Washington yet. They've got flaws. They're not bad. They're not good. They're not good. Yeah. They're probably last year was a magical run for them. It doesn't I mean, the Jane Daniels, you need to throw dirt on the rest of his career. But I do think that this sophomore year, collectively, for Washington, isn't going to be as high-end as we saw last year. Speaking of that, and by the way, I'll take the Chiefs by two touchdowns at least at home. And this one, I think they will cover that gigantic number. Quick question for you that we've been talking about here on the show, because we want to do a good show, a noble show.

I don't like the name commies for the team that plays in our nation's capital, but also we've been admonished. We're not allowed to say their old team name anymore, which is a weird thing because most slurs came around before you and I walked the big blue marble. They're like 100 or 500 years old. Don't call people from that ethnicity, that bad word. But this one is different. Where do you come down? Are you allowed to say the old name of a football team? I think I

resorted to the Washington Redskin Potatoes for a long time. Okay, okay. I just turned it into produce. Everybody likes potatoes. Yeah, that's the safe play for YouTube as well. You never know what YouTube might get you in trouble for. And, uh, yeah.

I think my real issue is the command, the name they went to, the commanders just wasn't, wasn't cool enough. Like, if their new brand, had stuck, we wouldn't be talking about it. Like, oh, yeah. Why were they the hogs? Pay homage to your own history.

That's the move. Everybody in the stadium would love it. Everybody would rally. And you could almost keep the old logo. All right, listen, because time is running short here, and I want to give it the attention it deserves. This is a fascinating historical one. Super Bowl 12 rematch, and they're wearing the uniforms that they wore in Super Bowl 12 in New Orleans.

That was a terrible game. Maybe this will be a terrible. one, but reversed, and the Cowboys will be on the wrong end of this one. Cowboys, Broncos, Denver, lay in three and a half, 50 and a half is the total. Perna, choose. Yeah, I'm not sure I love that the Broncos are favored. I know the Cowboys have one of the worst defenses in the NFL, but I don't trust the Broncos offense yet, even against the worst defense.

I see only two ways this game plays out. The Cowboys win this game, either 30. to 10, or the Broncos win this game, 38 to 36. Those are the only two ways. I'm, see, to me, to my objective eyes, I thought, boy, that number's awful low, just three and a half for the Cowboys. I know Dak's having a nice year and all the rest of it, but as you mentioned, they have no defense.

You did get close to the Super Bowl 12 final, which was Cowboys 27 to 10. I say the Broncos, get this one. They're going to cover this one, the Broncos, I mean, the Cowboys. have emerged as a surprising story. The Broncos, I think, have more sustainable success on the way this season. Brandon Perna, sustainable success for you and everyone following along. We need to root for it spiritually because you're doing something that is very hard to do right now in sports media, media, period, which is you have taken the reins and you have built up an empire.

I'm happy for you. If I can say, I'm proud of you, because it's hard to do, man. Good for you. continue the role, pal. Thank you. Thank you for having me. That's good sports. Check it out him and Will Keys.

Oh, he's another great one too. Yeah. Pernah, thanks for the time, pal. Yeah, thanks for having me. I appreciate it. Take good care. Good luck this weekend. All right, good times coming up with this guy.

He averaged almost seven yards of carry when he was at Nebraska. Then during the first decade of the century as Green Bay's home run hitting runner, he was good for 12 or 1,300. rushing yards annually, 50, 60 catches and double-digit touchdowns. Maybe I should just say this. He's the Packers' all-time leading rusher, and he's the host of Amon Green's Gamer's Lounge podcast. Amon Green, I know that you have a Batman tattoo. And so before we dig in on pigskin, one of my favorite head-to-heads to talk about is who would win a battle royal between the Justice League and the Avengers? The floor is yours.

Oh my goodness. Oh, man. I've been hit with this several times. Oh, you have? Yeah. I'm on original then, I guess. Yeah. I've had this one. I would have to go, man, I would say obviously in the movie sense, right? Marvel's kicking our butts in terms of DC. But if you've done it right, you know, if they would have done it right. But if they did have to battle, I'm going to have to stay on the side of DC with Batman and Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and the other, I say, few that they joined in Cyborg and a few other guys because I like the prowess of what my man got, what they got, what, why I have the tattoo on my leg, Batman, he is the world's greatest detective, and he knows everyone's weakness. That's kind of his job. Interesting. You know, so with that, he will find and know we go to Marvel, we go to Marvel side, you know, we got from. Spider-Man to Captain Marvel or Mrs. Marvel, Captain Marvel there. She's the one who concerns me. If she counts among the Avengers, and then also Thor and Dr. Strange. I mean, there's a lot of like sort of metaphysical powers that I don't know how DC responds

Beyonce Green Lantern with his ring out in space and Superman can be pretty much everybody. I think the odds are stacked against them, though. Yeah, there's some deep cuts of guys that I know that are similar in the DC universe. I just, right now on the spot, can't remember names, but no, that can rival, that can go against them. So I think it's a good battle, but I think DC has the edge there. But not in the movie place, though. The box office, Marvel's one network right there. Well, when this comes up and it comes up way more than it should for a man of my advanced age,

the thing I always point out is the fact that Superman would defeat the Hulk. because he could just grab the Hulk by his big toe and drag him out into deep space and leave them out there. There would be no answer for Hulk in response to that. Then again, Aquaman is a major liability. I mean, like out of water, he has no value, right? I mean, he's just like, why he gets so much credit when it's really the fish doing the dirty work. He's like, hey, that evil villain has access to a nuclear sub. Hey, Killer Whale. Wales. You should go do something about that. And then he gets the credit for it. Hey, well, it's a teamwork, makes it a dream work type of scenario there with Aquaman. He knows where he

stands and all that. All right. Main event, let's jump to Sunday here. As it happens, I'm a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. You're a Green Bay Packers icon. So let's talk about this showdown upcoming and start here. 2005, you're on the Green Bay Packers. Brett Farve is thriving. Obviously, one of the great stars in the game, alongside of you, I should mention. I gave some of the numbers at the top there. But then the Packers draft Aaron Rogers. What's the vibe in the building as someone who was inside those four walls when it all started to go down there? The vibe for most of it obviously was like, you know, it was, this is going to meet our Aaron parent potential, right? And so I understand the game. So I'm like, okay, he's drafting the next

quarterback that may be a line. I've been, I got there, Matt Hasselbeck, Aaron Brooks were in the wings and we knew that at those times Brett wasn't, you know, coming thing and even coming off the field at that time. And so again, was the question, okay, yeah, this is air apparent, but we know Brett, he has an energizer battery in him. Does he keep going and going? And we knew we still, so in 05, we had a rough season that year, I know injuries. I got injured at here for you guys other um bubo tony fisher and ijad dampur tough year but a time where he got a little bit or i say he erring got a little bit of time on the field and i say on that time my field got ready starting to groom him then but i remember in those training camp days he could make some throws and

that's why i knew right away we drafted the next guy in line is just he's going to have to wait a couple more years and that's where i think things went kind of wonky when oh 708 came around 07 and they go all the way to the NSA championship game and lose to the Giants. And then the next year, Markarthy hands the keys to Aaron, but Brett's not quite ready. That's why now then we see him as a jet. And that's where everything was back and forth because Brett was the type of guy that you can't tell, you can't take him off the field. He wants to play no matter what.

But there was a connection between them. It was, you know, I say I called him, I called Brett the old guy by that time because I just said this earlier doing a podcast that. he would get mad at Aaron for that's when iPads were just new and he had his earbuds and he's like come on come on what do i got to get him to do to get off the headset i'm like hey man it's the new generation this is what they do boy isn't that funny how the circle is completing the deja vu as we talk about i mean obviously a few years now since jordan love got drafted by the packers but here we are talking about that and absence makes the heart grow

Fonder and Jordan Love loves Aaron Rogers and Aaron Rogers loves Jordan Love and of course neither guy wants to lean into the heat that goes into this one. I do suspect that one or the other will react or say something a little closer to the truth after the game. How say you? I don't I don't think so. I think they're going to keep it professional. I look at them as both I say Aaron, the mature Jedi and love the Padawan in learning. And he's getting to that point to now. face his master, face his trainer, his teacher now. And then we'll find out who's going to be on top at the end. And at the end, it's going to be fun. I think it's going to be a hell of a game. And, I mean, watching the way the all season went for Aaron, it was not turbulent. It was just

basically got the deal done. He now is a Pittsburgh Steeler. And then they got a D.K. Metcalfe. And no one coached Tomlin. He likes to keep things tight. He doesn't like to let things get, you know, totally out of control in the media. And he kept that, they kept it that. way. So for Aaron playing as good as he is now, no surprise. So like I said, super excited about this game. I was trying to get there to be there in person, but I couldn't make it in this schedule did not work out. But just knowing. I wanted to go with Jean-Claude Van Dameshack, my junior in high school, but he has school the next day. They shouldn't have scheduled it in prime time. That was selfish of the NFL to do that. Otherwise, I would be there

as well. You know, so much of the conversation for obvious reasons, love V. Rod. but the liability that is emerging and really in week one against Justin Fields. And since that point has been weirdly the Steelers defense. So given Jordan love and what this offense is capable of and Rogers going against the pack, how do you see this one playing out on Sunday night? I'm saying I'm going to see that I say one big thing for the Packers defense, what they need to do knowing Aaron and where he likes to run. Because he does use he's been still mobile this year.

And so if anything, don't let him run to his right. you know, if he bells out of the pocket, I know T.J. and Cameron is going to get in there. They're going to disrupt just like Micah and Richard. And if Lucas is played, if Lucas Van Ness plays, they're going to disrupt as well. But if anything, don't let him bell to his right because that's a sweet spot. He's a right or under quarterback. So if anything, put that pressure, may him bell to his left or push into the pocket. Let him make him step up. That's where he's not as I say, it's not a comfortable spot for him to be in that pocket and is collapsing down on him. So do that. Keep Jalen

Warren out the game because if you got a run game, then Aaron knows how to feast off of that along with it because you got a DK and the film move is playing great right now. I got him on my fantasy, so good job, Pat, keep it going. So with that information is that's what the Packers got to do. And it's almost the same for

Pittsburgh, T.J. and crew getting in there putting that pressure on love, but they got a Josh Jacobs. And so right now he has been rolling. I love what he's been doing. I got a chance to meet him last year and talked to him and we're almost the same mindset same you know the way style of running that we did that we both done similar and he is the x-factor because he's another receiver off the backfield i see him do it several times this season when the run game ain't is not

there you know what they're not letting me run the ball you know i'm gonna just sleek out to the flat or i'm gonna run a texas route cast the ball get yards after contact and and make a first down or get a touchdown out of it and he's done that so those are the the i say those those details right there for defenses on both sides of the ball to be aware of to keep both teams from getting momentum going but definitely for i say for green bay they've been used to the road so far so they've been doing a good job with that well listen if i may critique your uh your assessment with just one thing i think you're you were much more like i said at the top much more of a home run hitter than josh jacobs was very few running backs this millennium had the ability had that high end i when i think of

Amon Green, I think of you running away from whether it's collegiate would-be tacklers or pro-tacklers. It felt like you did that an outsized number of times during your career. Now, I'm a humble guy. Just keeping it quiet, that's all. But, yes. That's why I'm here. I'm here to be your hype man. I did have the home-run swing.

And if I would have played baseball, too, I would have had home-run swing as well. Oh, now it's starting to come out. See, there's no shame in having a little bit of ego. Listen, you played pro football after all. all right uh some other guys who played pro football for those packers are the quarterbacks we're talking about so i want you to rank them for me right now farv rogers love go ahead if you want to put bart star in there you're welcome oh man this is a tough one okay it is a tough one but all i say all due respect i got to go i got to go erin first

because he just understood like he didn't throw into situations that my the other guy I played with Brett, he would throw into situations like, Brett, I know you're smarter than this. When it's four blue jerseys, those are bear jerseys, not packer jersees. Don't throw the ball there. He's like, come on, I can get it in. So Aaron was. Wow, this is, this is bold from you because you weren't even there for the title game in Nola, which he threw the bad interception in OT there. You were there. I was in Philly, though. I was in Philly. And I was in some regular season games too that all was like bro like don't throw that ball he's like i know my but i can get it in there i was like i love you to death but sometimes just hold back tossing to me i'm in the flat give

give me a shot to get how that is a weird that's got to be a weird sort of energy that you know that he's always borderline MVP brett farv but then he throws in frigid lambo against eli and the giants he throws the season away with a bad pick what is the vibe in the locker room like well we wouldn't have been here without you, Brett, or are there some raw feelings? Like, what are you doing, Gunslinger? Can you take care of the ball in a big spot? He's a, it's a family member that just knows, like, we know their limits. And it's like, bro, we try to warn them beforehand, too. We're trying to help them out, right? And they just don't want to listen. It's just like that type of thing. Because at the end of the day, we still love them and just, you know what? Don't do that. Please don't do that at the time,

but it does happen. And then we got to love with it, unfortunately. So that's just the way things go. Like I said, still love Brett, hell of a player. I mean, I have a resume of quarterbacks that I play with from Aaron to Brett to Warren Moon, my rookie year in Seattle. I'm not going to complain about that. But, you know, we're not perfect. We're players. We're trying to ball out, do our thing.

But sometimes you couldn't, in some situations, you could have pulled back, but you didn't because you've just had that inkling that I think I could get it in there. You know what? It's okay. Boy, that's what I forget about how up close you've been to some of these 40 plus. year old QBs. It's not just Brett Fav who went over to Minnesota and all of that, but also, yeah, like you say, Warren Moon, who had one of the high-end years, one of the very small handful of high-end years for 40-plus QB, right when you got to pro football. That was a trick question,

though. You ranked them based on footballing. I was really asking which guy would be most likely to pick up a spendy dinner bill. Favre Rogers' love. You know what? I've learned so probably I'll start with Aaron and I say the young book is learning right now love and then Brett because I know Brett still owes me on a dinner that we went out on and he was yeah so we one day I'll pick that bone with him when I get down to Mississippi because I don't think he's going anywhere else no time soon so I got I'll drive over there I'm in Houston anyway so I'm a little bit closer so there you go so I was rough few minutes for for number four here. Let's go out on this. The new class, or at least the nominees for the Pro Football Hall of Fame are out. What jumps out to you from this list? And if you, you know, you said that you like to keep it modest. I remember having conversations when you were in the prime of your career pointing out like, this guy may wind up with a gold jacket. But here we are in 2025. Any names jump out at you as guys who must get in there, guys who have been held out for a little

too long in your opinion or otherwise? It's true. Looking at the list, I say guys, I say, my name may need to be on there. There you go, see? Let me just start here first. Let's be real. But from the runnerback, seeing Frank Gore, LaShawn, McCoy, Todd, Gurley, Freddie T. Man, me and Freddie T was the same draft class. So definitely he had, and he has his 10K on the ground. How do you figure he's not in the Hall of Fame, which is the bigger omission?

Fred Taylor or Torrey Holt? I go with the latter at this point. It's very strong. Because you were playing when the Rams were doing their thing. And somehow Isaac Bruce is in the Hall of Fame, but the guy who was a tick better than him is not strange. Very true. True.

And so that one's tough. Right. And it's just about his time on the field. He was on part of the Super Bowl teams. But still, there's some voting in there that obviously is skewed. But another guy that I thought was in there, like I just mentioned, Freddie Taylor.

He was the first back off the slate. And then after that was like a slew of, guys, you'll hear a name, like a Curtisinas, a Skip Hicks, and then me, you know, I was probably like 15 picks after him. So to be watching him, because I watched all the guys that got drafted in my year. And so from the whatever position, Randy Moss, Freddie Taylor, myself was all part of that class and the high school class. So just seeing him do what he did in a place where it came in. It was a good team. But then later, you know, kind of into his career, they weren't that. And he had a few injuries and battled through him and still had 10K rush. And I was right.

on the brink of 10k, I'm around 9,000 yards. So to understand what it takes as a runner back, that's a lot of respect there. And then looking at the quarterback, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Eli, Manning, another good bunch of guys that are, I say, getting in there finally. But I know it's a, I say,

it's a slippery slope for any player for that matter to get into on that list and to get in the Hall of Fame because the things they have to, I say, after football, you got to stay relevant. You got to do those type of things that kind of work towards that along with being one hell of a player, football field. I hear you on all that. And it is funny as you tick through, let's skip Hicks and Curtis Enis and all of that. You guys are all the same. You can tick through all the guys at

your position who were drafted ahead of you. It is remarkable the ability for pro football guys to keep that chip on the shoulder, not just through their career, but after their career. And like you say, you're doing some great stuff. Amon Green's Gamer's Lounge podcast, make sure you check it about gaming and beyond, maybe some insights on superheroes, some Star Wars talk there, all the rest of it, pro football, college football, dynamite stuff. All that. Great to catch up with you, Amon. I hope everything continues to go well for you and hope to catch up soon.

Definitely, Dave. Keep everything going and have a good time. Good luck to your Packers and good luck to you, maybe getting one of those gold jackets. Thank you. Oh, for sure. That's going to happen very soon, probably next couple years. Fingers crossed, fingers crossed. All right, and that's that. Good stuff from Amon Green, from Brandon Perna, from Mike and

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