The Dana Show with Dana Loesch - BONUS: An 87-Year-Old NYC Trans Serial Killer?!

Episode Date: April 22, 2026

An 87-year-old NYC trans serial killer who went shopping with his victim’s dismembered leg in his wheelchair goes on trial. A “MAGA influencer” who racked up millions of followers posing in a bi...kini while ice fishing, drinking Coors Light and shooting guns has been unmasked as an Indian man. Dana shares more on the Southern Poverty Law Center being charged by the FBI with allegations of fraud including helping coordinate groups like the “Unite The Right” in Charlottesville.Subscribe today and stay in the loop on all things news with The Dana Show. Follow us here for more daily clips, updates, and commentary:YoutubeFacebookInstagramXMore InfoWebsite

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Do you guys want to hear probably the craziest story that you're going to hear today? Yes. Okay. Kane's very excited about that. All right. So here it is. Trial begins for 87-year-old transkiller who went shopping with victims' dismembered leg in his wheelchair. What?
Starting point is 00:00:20 Wait. That's the headline? Blink. Yeah. An 87-year-old transgender New York City serial killer. Oh, God. Jeez. It's getting worse.
Starting point is 00:00:31 is trying to stay out of prison for a third time as his trial for viciously butchering a woman, according to New York Post, and then riding around with her severed arm, this said dismembered leg, but severed arm in his mobility scooter began this week in Brooklyn. Harvey Marcellin, he killed 68-year-old Susan Layden, chopped up her body into pieces, stuffed it in a bag, dumped on an evening. New York Street before taking his, and I like this turn of phrase, disturbing scooter ride. This was in 22.
Starting point is 00:01:11 He was in his wheelchair and he said he became so, and he's a dude, right? Yeah, he's a dude. He became so obsessed with his victim that he created multiple Facebook accounts using her photo as his profile picture. This is why Kane says that old people aren't innocent right here. Sorry. Come on, you know what I say. Not all old people are innocent. He has to be referred to Mr. Harvey in court, even though he's identified as transgender. He beat her to death.
Starting point is 00:01:38 How are you 87 beating somebody to death? You're in a mobility scooter. I think he's faking it. Take his wheelchair away. See what happens. It's not easy to remove someone's limb, even if you have a sharp object. It's not easy. What's this 87-year-old trans guy doing?
Starting point is 00:01:55 He used a reciprocal saw to dismember her body at his cypress hills and saying to the membrane. apartment. I guess the reciprocal saw makes it easier. The prosecutors say cutting through skin, cutting through flesh, their tissue through bones, so many bones. He packages up her body in plastic bags. Poor Layden was down in her luck because she lost her jewelry business and she became estranged from her daughter.
Starting point is 00:02:18 She ended up in a homeless shelter, started getting her back on track just before her murder. He disposed of her torso in the same rolling bag she brought over. And then he headed to the 99 cent store with part of her literal legs stuffed into the back of his ill. wheelchair. Wow. Now, an e-bike rider, they're good for something. Look at this. Discovered the woman's torso on the street and alerted police. And then when they went into this dude's apartment, they found her thighs. Everything is separated. Hands, arm, head, stuffed into various
Starting point is 00:02:57 plastic garbage bags. They never got our right leg, left arm, or left hand. That was never recovered. Now he was previously in jail for fatally shooting a girlfriend. And then he stabbed another girlfriend to death a year later. He had been released on lifetime parole after he killed the first girlfriend. And then he stabbed the second girlfriend to death. And he brought her body down in a bloody garbage bag before he shoved it in a shopping cart. How the hell is this guy out? Right?
Starting point is 00:03:28 Then when he shot and killed the first girlfriend, he should have been away forever. when he stabbed the second girlfriend to death, he should have been put away forever. How in the world? Is he still out? It's New York restorative justice. Oh my gosh. And he told the parole hearing a couple of years ago,
Starting point is 00:03:49 right before he killed again, quote, I give you my word, I will never reoffend. And then he promptly reoffended. Wow. Now, the jury can't hear any of the details of these other murders. Why?
Starting point is 00:04:02 Because it's stupid. This is so stupid because it's just ridiculous. So she apparently visited him for drugs. And then his lawyer suggested that, no, they were trying to blame this other drug addict who visited him for drugs. But the CCTV footage from outside the building doesn't support that. But literally just like scooting around going into the 99-cent store with a leg in his wheelchair. the mad libs hell is this i don't know man this is but 87 years old also transgender at 87 years old if you haven't figured it out by then you're close to death just give it up it's done you don't
Starting point is 00:04:46 need to be messing the live in the now be realistic right you know what i mean like that's the last thing you just give it up you had all the mother years to figure it out clearly he's mental and evil actually he's just evil i think he's just evil i don't think he's crazy i think he's just evil That's insane. What gets me, though, he was out, he'd killed two women and killed a third. Just walking around? Yeah, walking around. There are people like on minor drug offenses that have been locked up for longer.
Starting point is 00:05:16 How is prison justice not caught up with this guy? I don't know. That's a million dollar question, right? Are prisoners scared of serial killers? Well, aren't they like always, aren't serial killers kind of kept by themselves? Probably. But was this guy considered a serial killer then? because he'd only killed two women.
Starting point is 00:05:34 Do you have to kill three for it to be considered? You're probably right. I mean, I don't know if that's the number. I don't make the rules. But man, alive, that's just, that's, this is insane. That's just crazy. But he was out after killing two women, you would think that he would, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:05:50 Okay, so this is so goofy. A top MAGA influencer was revealed to be AI, created by a guy in India who made a lot of money off of lonely dudes online. This is really sad, actually. I find this so sad. And it feels like that this is AI slop. It very clearly looks like AI slop, right? If you look at her images, I mean, it looks like it's AI.
Starting point is 00:06:19 It's, I don't know how anybody was duped by this, but okay. But yeah, this guy made up an AI girl, and he would pose her in a bikini while ice fishing, drinking Coors light and shooting guns. He's an Indian man who literally paid for his med school by this. He's now a 22-year-old orthopedic surgeon in training. He told Wired Magazine that he got the idea to sell AI-generated images of a woman in a bikini while trying to get money for school. And he used Google's Gemini AI for advice, created a quote-unquote hot girl for the MAGA niche. And after the software told him that they have higher disposable income and it's more loyal in marketing. And so that's what, yeah. So Emily Hart,
Starting point is 00:07:13 the fake girl was born. Wow. And guess what? And she would, and she would say things like, he would have her say things like, if you want a reason to unfollow, crisis king, abortion is murder. All illegals must be departed. Like just saying red meat stuff over and over again. And he told the magazine every day I'd write something pro-Christian, pro-Sachian, pro-life, anti-abortion, anti-woken, anti-imabomobor. He said the account blew up and she had the fake account had 10,000 followers within a month. Well, it makes sense. I mean, you also, I mean, we are the same people who shouted give us Barabbas. Makes sense, right?
Starting point is 00:07:48 I just, I mean, it looks fake. It does. Whenever I see stuff like this, I'm like, fake, fake, fake, fake, all fake. But he made a lot of money. So, Kane, I'm feeling like we missed out on. We missed out on another one of these. How many do we talk about all the time? At least once or a week.
Starting point is 00:08:08 I think I'm going to create a fake AI person. I'm going to create an AI person. If you created an A, see the left, this is the thing. You can't create a fake left us because those people that are leading the party are really ugly. Yeah, the real ones are so absurd. Even AI couldn't match it. Yeah, they're the ones that are like morbidly obese with like cow piercings and like blue hair that's real short, bad skin. And they're just loud and annoying.
Starting point is 00:08:36 I mean, nobody wants to pay for that. You know, you can see it in San Francisco or Portland or downtown Dallas like any day of the week. You know, nobody's going to pay for that. How crazy, though. But I can't believe people were dup by this. When you look at the photos of it, you're like, oh, yeah, that doesn't look exactly real. That doesn't really look real. Like there's a picture of her posing behind a fishing hole, nice fishing hole,
Starting point is 00:08:57 and she's holding a kid of Kna Kna Kour's Light. I mean, I knew it was fake because it's Kores Light. like who's doing that so Kane we need to create we need to do this I if people are going to be dumb enough to spend money on that I want their money
Starting point is 00:09:14 they're too irresponsible with it give it to me I can think of a lot of things that I would do with it we'd be way more responsible with it oh I wouldn't at all put anybody through med school but what I would actually do is tie up all the people I hate and endless lawfare and make it to where they had to like sell blood plasma in order to continue funding the legal battle with me.
Starting point is 00:09:35 That's why I would do that for sure. I mean, I'd sense, it gives them my church and, you know, some dog shelters, but that's mostly what I would do with it is that. I'm not going to lie. What are your big dreams, Kane? That's my big dream. Yeah, no, that sounds really noble. I would do that and live under a bridge and I'd be happy.
Starting point is 00:09:50 I would probably do it in order to fund a lifestyle completely off the grid and away from humanity. You can do that and still make your enemies cry and their families lament. Yeah? Yeah, I'm just saying. Combine both of our ideas. Oh. But I mean, that's, I'm just saying, that's what, uh, I feel, we, we got to, we got to invest in this. Investors, maybe you.
Starting point is 00:10:13 I mean, we got to, we got to figure out how to do this. This is pretty, this is something. I'm just saying, I'll think of a name. Like, what would you name your fake AI person? It needs to be something like something with an eye. To be like a George Carlin female name. Oh gosh. Because those names, I, huh?
Starting point is 00:10:33 A candy with a. Candy with an eye. K-A-N-D-I. And it's the candy store, right? That's her subscription account. Oh, man, we got it now. We got it. And then basically all you have to do is just like take like some of these woke riker,
Starting point is 00:10:52 like post so big or whatever tweets and just like post them up there. And that's brain dead enough to get people to, you know, yeah, whatever. Oh, my word. I mean, clearly by judging the quality of those AI images, Oh, yeah. We could totally do this. Oh, man. It doesn't have to be perfect.
Starting point is 00:11:08 That's what I learned. It doesn't have to be perfect so it can be good. I do. I asked AI to make me names, and now we have a few names listed if we want to run through these. What are some of the other names? Ashley Whitmore, Reagan Cole, Brooke Hollis, Paige Bennett, which I think is a real person, Carly Sutton. Reagan Cole. Reagan Cole, I like that.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Save all these. Yeah, we can have like a team of them. We can be like the Tate Brothers, but not with real women. Right? I don't think that's a goal. Oh, I'm sorry, the Taint Brothers, but not with real women. Okay. Right?
Starting point is 00:11:40 Yeah. All right. And then we can walk around with skinny legs and talk about how we don't bang trainees. I'm kidding. I'm really missing out on this. America, I feel like we all have an opportunity here, right? We all got an opportunity here. That's what I'm sensing.
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Starting point is 00:13:11 It's time for Dana's Quick 5. All right. So first up here, let me pull this up. So apparently Budweiser is going to increase American production. Is this going to make the people who are still mad at them over Inbev and St. Louis? Okay. I don't know. Is it going to do it?
Starting point is 00:13:33 I don't know. I had family members that were real mad about that. They were really upset about it. You'd be great if their god-awful videos didn't auto play. Fox business. Get your stuff together. 600 million into U.S. production and a major bet on American growth. This is what I washed my beer glasses in. I'm not going to pretend. They never offered an apology for that twink that they had, shilling their stuff. So I'm not over it until I get an apology. It's where I am.
Starting point is 00:14:01 Let's see. Also, the guy who was the co-founder of the band Traffic, Dave Mason passed away 79. Man, I used to love that band. That sparked like me getting into the bands like Blind Faith and all those back in the early days. You know, Eric Clapton and Stevie Winwood and those guys. Man, that was good times. He literally sat in his favorite chair after he and his wife made dinner and he just, that's it. Oh, man. That's almost like.
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Starting point is 00:16:49 this current investigation into Southern Poverty Law Center actually predates, POTUS's second administration. And when Biden assumed office, they actually shut it down. They stopped the investigation. And it was revived by Trump when he got back into the White House. And I think it's very interesting that Biden stopped the investigation. So the charges include bank fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit money laundering.
Starting point is 00:17:26 I linked the full indictment on the website on Substack, chapter and verse. So I have acting attorney general whom you just heard, Todd Blanche. Now, for the people, and I'm going to get into some of the reaction with it, but these, this indictment is pretty crazy. They had a, they had a number of informants that, that Southern Poverty Law Center, which I think is a terrorist group, they've named me a million times. they had these informants that they paid, and then they used these informants to literally go and plan. They funded, and then they executed things like the Unite the Right rally, which you saw a woman, you had a number of people injured, and there was a woman who was killed. They did that.
Starting point is 00:18:15 They are the single, and this is a fact, Southern Poverty Law Center is the single largest donor. to extremist groups in the nation, to the tune of millions of dollars. And they were trying to hide what they were doing. They opened bank accounts that were under fictitious entities. The way that they went about this is, it's pretty damning. I mean, if they're going through the indictment, depending on what they show in court, I don't see how there aren't criminal charges in jail time at this point. And then the groups that they funded, you know, they funded, they provided transportation for, they helped plan that unite the right rally that was in Charlottesville. They even helped, according to the indictment, their field sources make racist postings.
Starting point is 00:19:08 In fact, the line is, quote, that field source made racist postings under the supervision of Southern Poverty Law Center and helped coordinate their transportation for attendees, all kinds stuff. And then they had their little shell game of fictitious entities that they used as a way to hide what they were doing. They were all online making comments to each other, chatting and chat groups, all of this. It showed, in fact, one of them was paid a million dollars. That informant goes by the name of F9 in the indictment. And that individual was paid a million dollars for. for chaos, a million dollars to so hate. All of their accusations, see, and this is the other thing, the, the whole excuse that they've used,
Starting point is 00:20:04 because they first, they were the first ones to announce this yesterday, and then the DOJ came out with their statement. And I thought it was sketchy that they came out with this announcement, because clearly you could tell they were trying to get ahead of something. You could tell they were trying to get ahead of it. and then the indictment came out. So there are excuses that they were trying to protect themselves fall flat. Because this went on for over a decade, guys.
Starting point is 00:20:32 It went on for a really long time. I mean, probably longer than that. This is just the stuff that we know of. But they were purporting that, oh, we only paid these informants as a way to protect ourselves, except the indictment doesn't support this at all. It doesn't support it. I mean, they actively were trying to act. agitate and planning this. They wanted chaos. They absolutely wanted chaos. You know, it makes
Starting point is 00:20:56 me wonder, too, well, I can't wait to see what's up with J6. What are they going to find with J6? That's a good point. Now, this is not an innocuous, this is not an all an innocuous group. Southern Poverty Law Center is, next to media matters, is one of the most vicious hate groups, terror entities that we have. When, back, in 2012 during the letter people fight against Chick-fil-A, the culture war, there was a guy named Floyd Lee Corkins, I wrote about this extensively, who was inspired by Southern Poverty Law Center's hate map. Now, this comes from the affidavit. He got the locations of where he wanted to go, literally from Southern Poverty Law Center's hate map. That is something else. And he went to the
Starting point is 00:21:48 headquarters in Washington, D.C. for Family Research Council, because Family Research Council supported biblical marriage and was very outspoken against a lot of these pretty radical groups that were going after Chick-fil-A because they found out Chick-Fillet was owned by a Christian. I mean, it was the dumbest thing ever. And so Floyd Lee Corkins, he walked into the lobby of the Family Research Council and opened fire. There was a very brave security guard named Leo Johnson, who actually intervened, and people would have been dead, were it not for Johnson intervening? But Corkins, after he shot up the lobby of the group's headquarters, when he was, when law enforcement intervened, they noticed that he had a number of chick-fil-a sandwiches on his person.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Corkins actually had planned to shove a sandwich into the dead gaping mouths of his victims. And again, he would have succeeded. And that's just one example of how radical this group is. There's a long history of them using these informants and agitating and all kinds of stuff. There's quite a bit. I mean, they've, they have a pretty, I mean, they got some sketchy, they got some sketchy people that are involved with them. They've done this a lot. And again, this is just what we know.
Starting point is 00:23:07 I dare say that there's probably a hell of a lot more that we don't. but these charges this is this is pretty intense they did this by the way the left with occupy wall street you had the same thing with occupy wall street you had people who were agitated and they were being paid to go for for that purpose you saw this again pre black lives matter in st louis with ferguson you guys remember that you saw this then because they you had left us groups that were trying to agitate. In fact, you remember the, remember the group Acorn? The group acorn that ended up becoming more in St. Louis. They ended up changing their acronym. They closed there the, the Acorn offices after the original James O'Keefe bust. And then they renamed it
Starting point is 00:24:04 to like Missouri, something or other, and in short called Moore. And I, what ended up happening and I linked this on next yesterday. The, yeah, it's Missourians organizing for reform and empowerment. So that's what Acorn became. They became that. And when all of this stuff was happening in Ferguson, you had these activists that were brought in to hijack what they were doing from the activists who lived there, right?
Starting point is 00:24:32 And then they weren't getting paid. Apparently, the check stopped. And they went on social media using the hashtag, cut the check, and they became publicly demanding money for their involvement with Ferguson. The St. Louis American, by the way, wrote about this back at the time. This was back in 2015, and it was one of the only local news outlets that actually wrote about it. They said that there was an existing bank account that had been activated specifically to pay for people to agitate. And they were paying a lot of people. I mean, they were paying people like $3,000 a piece
Starting point is 00:25:08 to do this. And this is, again, a leftist entity that literally paid for agitation in Ferguson. You know why Ferguson got so hot after Mike Brown? Because you had activists who were documented being paid to do it. There are receipts. And when they didn't get paid, they literally held a protest outside of their offices, and they went to social media with the hashtag cut the check. That was in 2015. All of this stuff, they were trying to. so hard to keep the hate going. It was something else. Hey folks, it's Dana, and if you know me, you know I'm a total foodie. I love to cook and I love quality, flavorful, fresh ingredients. And my newest discovery is fresh pressed olive oil, which has really enhanced my appreciation for
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Starting point is 00:26:55 It's time for Florida man. All right. So first up, let me pull this up. The... I do have it. I have a million windows open right now. It's my fault. A substitute teacher was caught acting erratically in a Lake County classroom.
Starting point is 00:27:24 Putting it mildly. Yeah, disorderly conduct. I mean, you know, what is she doing? Like skipping in the hall or something? Oh, no. She started yelling incoherently. Yelled that they should put her in prison for life. And then she told students, she propositioned them.
Starting point is 00:27:39 You know what I mean. And then referred to herself as a million-dollar prostitute. Oh. The assistant principal had to go to the classroom. They had her to get her all of her stuff and leave. She said, no, she doesn't want to leave and she doesn't want to be tasered. She had to be restrained and escorted to the front office. And apparently she also hit another female student.
Starting point is 00:27:58 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She was calling them derogatory names, slapped one of the heads of another, put her hand on the throat of another one. Oh, man. lots of charges and misdemeanor disorderly conduct simple battery disruption of a school function two counts for that the school said well the the teacher's employment was terminated today you think the folks who make the program possible it's the people over at burn a gun i've told you before i carry i've no problem using lethal force i also realize too that maybe sometimes you go to places where you are not permitted to carry private property local or municipal restrictions whatever it is and so in that instance, you need to be able to diversify and have some means of protecting yourself.
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Starting point is 00:30:06 Isn't that her whole career, though? I just find her so boring and irrelevant. I see her and I'm like, it's nap time. I got to be honest with you. She is just doesn't even have a heartbeat in terms of interest. She is one of the most boring, unaccomplished nepo candidates that have ever tried to see a higher office. Just not impressed with her. But that goes for a lot of the left, you know.
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Starting point is 00:33:26 It's time for Dana's Quick Five. So today is Earth Day, right? You guys know Earth Day, founded by Ira Einhorn, a guy who literally murdered his girlfriend and composted her inside of a trunk in his closet. He took Earth Day so seriously that he composted the girlfriend that he murdered. Wait, we're not supposed to all do this now, are we? I don't know. I'm not quite sure, but that's, you know, he was a big environmental activist to the point
Starting point is 00:33:53 where he wanted to compost the people that he killed. So that's Earth Day. Hey, happy Earth Day, everybody. I know. That's kind of a sad Earth Day, but it's still no less true. also let's see a Yellowstone wolf stole a sign
Starting point is 00:34:09 warning tourists about hungry grizzly bears wolves are against us I mean actually literally with his mouth on a trail cam took this I mean he took it and then ran away and there's video that's captured of it it's actually hysterical
Starting point is 00:34:25 it was in Yellowstone National Park and Taylor Raib who's a biological science technician working in Yellowstone was monitoring the junction Butte Wolfpack and he noticed or she noticed one of the puppies running across the road with a giant sign in his mouth and yeah he not only dislodged it but he carried it off
Starting point is 00:34:44 and it was a sign warning people of wolves of grizzly bears sorry yeah the wolves are working with the bears in Yellowstone right now just saying smash and grab thieves stole $1,000 in Pokemon and other sports did I say that $100,000? Oh no yeah $100,000 in Pokemon and sports cards from a store all captured on video. North Chicago, of course.
Starting point is 00:35:12 They go in. How are Pokemon still this valuable? Dude, I don't even know. I don't even know. Like, how are Laboobos as valuable as they are? What people put value on, this is why aliens don't visit us, right? Doesn't. Do you guys remember the source back DA that made Kim Gardner?
Starting point is 00:35:30 Yeah, apparently now she's a dual-certified nurse practice. practitioner and psychiatric mental health person. No. No.

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