The Dana Show with Dana Loesch - BONUS: Examining The Chinese Data Center Takeover

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

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Welcome back to the program, Dana Lash with you. Here's a story from Politico. This happened in my hometown of Festus, Missouri. The city council, every half of the city council, over half, was fired over a data center deal. Now, Festus is, how far away from downtown St. Louis is that? Maybe 40 minutes south, 45 minutes south of St. Louis? So the city council is getting a makeover. Voters last week ousted every single incumbent that was up for re-election.

all because of data centers. They were unhappy with the council's proposal of a $6 billion data center, and they cleaned up 12,000 people right there along the Mississippi River. And it's the latest in the backlash against these data centers. Now, I told you earlier that I was really looking forward to our conversation. We're going to bring our good friend Stephen Yates on here in a half a second. But I was getting weirded out by a lot of this pushback because, who benefits from it? It seemed too cute by half, too manufactured, too organized. And I don't like,

if it's not a little bit chaotic, I'm immediately suspect. And then it came out that there's apparently a big giant foreign push against this. This, it's a, it's a big push. It's Chinese propaganda, a network of foreign dark money linked to campaigns against data centers. And I'm, I read that. That was a story on Fox News. It was in a couple of other places. I think the free beacon touched on it. So wait a minute. Is this organic? Are we being siopped into opposing data centers so that China can take the lead on this? Because there's a responsible way to do it. But that's not being discussed. What's being pushed is don't do it at all. So because it's Chinese related, we got to talk to our very good friend, Stephen Yates, who is the guy to talk to on this. He is an expert in all things China. He served in not one. but two presidential administrations, and he's the senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation. You can find him on X at Steve Yates. My friend, it's good to see you. So are my suspicions correct?

Because it just seems, because it seems very similar to the COVID and the masking and all of that kind of stuff, right? It's like the same people that were promoting the vaccine cards and the getting the injections and six feet of separation and all this stuff. I notice that a lot of these entities are the same entities that are promoting banning any and all data centers. And the moment that I started agreeing with anybody on the left, I immediately do an inventory just to make sure I'm still principally right. So where do you fall on this? Because I find it very suspicious. Well, it doesn't surprise me that someone who cut our teeth as a hard charging grassroots reporter in Tea Party times would have a pretty accurate radar for what is grassroots and organic and what is astroturf. And I think there is a real heavy flavor of astroturf in all of this. You hit it a lot of the signals.

I saw a lot of this with the flash mob protests after October 7, 2023, when all of a sudden there's ready-made signs for lunatic campaign occupation, kinds of things that were just like the homeless kids for the Occupy Wall Street movement. This is a playbook that has been used over and over and over. It's obviously not organic. It's not an intellectual movement. these people can barely brush your teeth. And this is something that, unfortunately, when it is well funded with modern social media,

you can get otherwise good folk out in the hinterland and say, hey, this is a big construction project. There's a lot of money. Is it going to affect jobs? It's going to take our water. There's all kinds of things that are legitimate considerations. But the speed and organization of the opposition, I think, is a huge tell. And it definitely does come down to your threshold judgment.

of ultimately who benefits from this? Because China doesn't allow its people to stand in the way if it's going to build a concentration camp or a data center or a factory to make clothing. It just does what it does, and there isn't a regulatory roadblock in a way. And the United States, there are these things that are open, and unfortunately, our politics and communications are open

because we like freedom, but we have to find a way to have some kind of a rate, and guard against being manipulated by those overseas. And there's a guy named Neville Singham, who has been identified as a big benefactor of a lot of these dark money campaigns in the United States. And I think this is one of them. Yes. And the, so there was a report that was, let me pull this up, a report that came out. This was from the Bitcoin Policy Institute that mentions this, exactly what you're talking about. And it looks at the geopolitical rivalry of why China would oppose these data center buildouts because they want to be able to control global AI.

They want to be able to dominate in AI leadership. And what the Bitcoin Policy Institute was saying is that, yeah, there is an absolute influence operation, a campaign against American AI. And this singham guy that you just mentioned, he, Code Pink, and a bunch of different Chinese communist adjacent groups have been spending lots of money and a lot of time fueling opposition to AI infrastructure and data center expansion. That comes from the Bitcoin Policy Institute, Fox News, even Reason Magazine was writing about this. And that makes sense because if they, I mean, you have to be able to have these data centers,

but if we don't build them, then Stephen, who builds them? Well, the Chinese, I'm sure, are stepping up and building up that infrastructure. structure. In the longer term, I do think that there is a consideration with the amount of compute that has to be done and the amount of resources that will be taken. This is another reason why I strongly support a modification of our space strategy, because I think we have to have much higher cadence of going to places like the moon. We're going to have to use reusable rockets, and that's where government programs will never succeed, and we're going to have to public-private partnership. And if we get to the moon and operate in space, there's a

lot of this that can be done out there where we don't have to worry about taking resources from hometown America. So we're really talking about building out a sufficient infrastructure to keep the lead that we have now between now and when the space-based option becomes viable. And that's obviously years off, but we wanted to make it as few years as possible. In the meantime, China is going to do everything it can to knock the stool out from under our feet when we're trying to step up to this leadership role. We can really expect no less. but we ought to return the favor to them. And correct me if I'm wrong on this, but isn't all of theirs, I mean, there's is all, like,

CCP subsidized, like everything that they're doing with AI and data centers in China is all government subsidized. So that almost gives them, like, another advantage in addition to the SIOP campaign that they're trying to perpetuate against Americans, because here it's all private. I'm not advocating for government. Don't mistake me for government to get involved and do it. But the restrictions and then the way that now you have voters that are really turning out. I mean, I've never seen people in Festus, Missouri, a little town by the Mississippi,

that they all turned out and they've never done that. People are very motivated on this. So how to combat it. Do you think that the administration is doing enough to combat this? Well, first, I mean, China definitely isn't playing on a level playing field. You don't own land in China. The state does. And so obviously the price for them to have the land necessary to do this is zero. The price for anyone in America to do it is considerably more than zero. We even get taxed after we buy an allegedly owned land. So they have a number of advantages that would make price distortions, economists might say. So not a level playing field. And in terms of the information environment in our own country and how we sort of combat this, I think the administration is doing

its level best. I mean, the first thing is we have to use the pulpits we have to tell people, hey, I'm not telling you what to think, but you might want to consider who benefits from this. And oh, by the way, here's a few data point or two about why some of the things that are going through these campaigns may not be what you would call the truth. And so maybe don't believe everything that involuntarily pops up on your social media feed. Maybe if you hear something that's coming too quickly and is way too polished, let your spidey senses go up the way Dana Lash's spidey senses go up when that. is happening and that we need more of our citizens to watch out for that. Because if they haven't noticed by now, over the last 10 years, we have been flooded with these kind of manipulative campaigns. Some of them are domestic and we should watch out for those. But the foreign ones,

it's not about the Russians trying to hijack an election. It's the mind control and manipulation of decisions down at the local level where they sort of out-compete us at the grassroots level up. They don't have to worry about a summit between the presidents if we're already sort of knocked down off of our stilts at the at the local level. And even aren't even a lot of the domestic NGOs that have been pushing this from my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong on this, they are loaded with CCP cash. Like all of a sudden they just came into all of this money and they've been doing, you know, ad buys buying through Facebook, you know, doing that targeted advertising

digitally to try to influence people on this. I've seen some of it even come up on my feeds. That, you know, for all the talk that people had over the election in Kentucky, about foreign interference. I haven't been hearing nothing from these same people about the foreign interference error. No, and this is a little bit too high IQ for a high IQ for them to follow. This actually takes effort, and I think we're going to need to rely on some of our investigatory and law enforcement elements of government to do some briefings that give real data, real accounts, real things that people should understand and watch out for. That hasn't been done yet. I mean,

in fairness to them, we are dealing. dealing with a range of challenges from the world today that is unlike anything I've ever lived through. So many people are worried about energy prices because of the Straits of Hormuz. They're worried about all kinds of price problems because of unfair practices from China. We still have questions about Cuba, Venezuela, and cartels and fun stuff in our own hemisphere. I mean, there's frankly a lot on everyone's plate. And for an administration to communicate effectively, that's hard in all of that.

But this is one of those things that is a civilization or a civilization or challenge, an existential challenge, and an economic security challenge. So I hope they get their voice and do this. There are some people who are very good on tech policy and economic policy. One of them is the Undersecretary of State for Economic Affairs Jacob Helberg. He does this, what's called Paxilica. It talks about technology and how we're going to win the AI race. This is all related. So we've got good people. We just need to get them on more audiences, I think. Yeah, I agree with that because this messaging. And I look, and we all understand people's concern, right? Because they're being told, look, you're going to have a giant data center built in your town. It's going to eat up all your

water. It's going to make your power go up exponentially. But nobody really takes the time to dive into it and really examine the effects of existing data centers on towns in which they've been built nearby, not like in the middle of. But there's so much, as you were saying, there's so much of this organized, controlled push against it. It's just trying to get the facts of this out because, I mean, it's like, this might be a throwback, but doesn't it seem kind of like it's going back to the days of Napster and MP3s and all of that? It's here.

You have to adapt to it, but you can't shut it off completely. Otherwise, the communists then, do we really want the communist running AI? That's a big question. No, that's the fundamental race for the future. I don't think that our politicians are misleading us on that. I think that that is a very, very real race. I think we have an AI race. We have a chips race.

We have a space race. All of those three things are vital to America staying in the lead and being able to basically make the most of this unipolar moment. And we have the ability to smoke the Chinese in competition if we play right and fair and smart. And so we've got to do that. And frankly, whether it comes down to data centers, should have more grassroots mobilization against, say, the consolidation of food processing and

meatpacking and things like that, because that is ultimately what is also Chinese invested and Chinese controlled and consolidated. And that will have a bigger impact on our food supply and running jobs out of rural America than any data center ever will. So we also need to have some sense of priorities about where this challenge is coming from. So we don't take the bait to fight the wrong one while we sort of lose our shirts on the other side. That's a great point, too, about the meat manufacturer and the packing, the, you know, all of that. That's the abattoir, so to speak. That's a very good, that's a very good point on that.

Stephen Yates, at Steve Yates on X, always a pleasure. My friend, thank you for breaking this down and bringing the clarity. It's good to see you. Have a great weekend. Thanks so much, Dana. Take good care. You too. We have more to come, folks, as we wrap up this today's show, our partners that make it possible,

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Americans who wanted to be able to fix their equipment were instead being required to buy far more costly new equipment, and that just doesn't make any sense. Refrigeration trucks were being handed impossible restrictions to meet. And once again, here we are in the Oval Office. President Trump is writing another wrong. At the Trump EPA, we are proudly implementing President Trump's agenda every single day and delivering for the American people. Thank you very much. Thank you. Please. Thank you, Mr. President. And thank you, Lee. Look, on behalf of the Kroger Company, and we operate about 2,700 supermarkets. I didn't realize he was, what is the Australian?

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It's this EPA, it's the 2023 technology transitions rule, and it has to do with emissions standards, right? So what this rule, this Biden era rule was doing was restricting the type of refrigerant, apparently that you are allowed to use. So what you're hearing from a lot of these grocers who have to store and transport, you know, refrigerated or frozen goods, and a lot of these restaurateurs who have to store and serve refrigerated and frozen goods, they were being made to get rid of perfectly good, even if they were new, systems, and changed to this, I don't know, one of my friends who's in the restaurant industry,

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I love his drawl, by the way. The pigly-wiggly-wiggly guy's drawls is amazing. But they were explaining that it made it to where it was, they were making it to where it was more difficult to store and transport frozen or, or refrigerated food. And then the systems that they were being forced to use as replacements were two times more expensive. And they didn't work as well. So there was one, during this press conference, there was one woman, I think was the woman who was discussing it. And she had said that the system that she had to use that they were going to force her, it like broke within two years. Like there was already a major issue.

And that the Biden era ruled, they were going to force all of these people to do this. They were going to force all of them to do it regardless. And there was one individual who spoke at this press available here. And he was explaining how he was one grocery store in a county of 10,000 people. So first off, imagine that. You're a one grocery store in a county of 10,000 people. And the enforcement of this rule would probably have to make him shut his doors because it was so prohibitively expensive. It's like they made it so expensive.

You couldn't even hope to switch to that kind of a system. And remember, this was a part of those restrictions. Some of them, I remember it was the first two months of Biden's administration. administration, and we were joking about how he was extending essentially all of these Obama-era restrictions. Remember how Obama was going after phosphates and dish soap and light bulbs and all this stupid stuff that really had no impact at all, by the way, on the environment, which is the other thing that Lee Zeldin mentioned in this press avail.

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Quick 5. Sing a little Josephine Baker with a little La Conga Blicotti. So Looking at our headlines here. How do you get baked dirt? Baked dirt was accidentally served as school kids, apparently. Now, my first thought was, was this dirt cake? You guys know what dirt cake is?

Is that only a thing in the south that dirt cake? Oh, yeah, you do. So in Maine, a dish of baked dirt was accidentally served during a community supper. They said it was accidentally a science experiment where students baked dirt to test how plants would grow after it was accidentally confused for a dessert. three students briefly put some in their mouths before they realized what it was. They said it was absolutely not a prank. It was completely accidental. They are so embarrassed and you ought to be.

How do you not know that? Let's look at this. This looks like a little tasty treat. Let's serve this up to the kids. It's insane. Thankfully, nobody was hurt. Everybody knows. Everybody was okay.

Let's see. We had the monkeys in the underwear last headline. So now we've got UK police found apparently almost $10 million. of cocaine stashed in Kim Kardashian's brand of underwear. So she has her skims company and apparently $9.4 million worth of cocaine was in a shipment

of them britches. The Skims Clothing Authority said the National Crime Agency apparently they said that this guy was driving a truck carrying 28 pallets of skim's clothing from the Netherlands he stopped by Border Patrol officials at a Port in Essex in September.

The agency said that the guy stopped on the way to collect a bunch cocaine and the truck was specially adapted so they could hide the drugs wrapped in packages in the compartment of the doors so the clothing was legitimate it wasn't connected to the cocaine so don't order skim thinking you're going to get some you know hunter-biden booger sugar not going to happen