The Dana Show with Dana Loesch - Dana Returns: Tucker's Hamas Defense, Charlotte Train Attack & Ben Shapiro Joins Us

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

Dana returns to the mic. Israel wipes out senior Hamas leadership gathered in Doha, Qatar. Dana responds to Tucker Carlson’s take where he says he isn’t sure that “Hamas is actually a radical jihadi organization”. Dana shares how Europe’s immigration crisis has transformed into a full religious war. Jasmine Crockett claims law enforcement isn't to PREVENT crime, law enforcement solves crime. CNN says the Charlotte murder became a political symbol in MAGA media and some reactions to the heinous attack are “baldly racist”. Dana shares her take on the Trump Administration’s recent idea to BAN firearms from trans individuals. Dana recaps her trip on a Norwegian cruise with the Media Research Center including trolls, veganism, and scary waters. Ben Shapiro joins us to discuss the Right’s recent grievance culture problem with Conservatives being anti-Israel, the future of the GOP in 2028, and more.Thank you for supporting our sponsors that make The Dana Show possible…PreBornhttps://PreBorn.com/DANA Or DIAL #250 Say the keyword BABY. That’s #250, BABY. Together, we can save lives — one mom and one baby at a time.Fast Growing Treeshttps://Fast-Growing-Trees.comGet up to 50% off select plants and an extra 15% off your first purchase with code DANA at Fast Growing Trees. Offer valid for a limited time, terms apply.Relief Factorhttps://ReliefFactor.com OR CALL 1-800-4-RELIEFTurn the clock back on pain with Relief Factor. Get their 3-week Relief Factor Quick Start for only $19.95 today! Byrnahttps://Byrna.com/danaGet your hands on the new compact Byrna CL. Visit Byrna.com/Dana receive 10% off. Patriot Mobilehttps://PatriotMobile.com/DanaDana’s personal cell phone provider is Patriot Mobile. Get a FREE MONTH of service with code DANA.HumanNhttps://HumanN.comSupport your cholesterol health with SuperBerine and the #1 bestselling SuperBeets Heart Chews—both on sale for $5 off at Sam’s Club. Boost your metabolic health and save!Keltechttps://KelTecWeapons.comSee the third generation of the iconic SUB2000 and the NEW PS57 - Keltec Innovation & Performance at its best.All Family Pharmacyhttps://AllFamilyPharmacy.com/Dana Start today and take your health back with All Family Pharmacy. Use code DANA10 for savings and enjoy your health, your choice, no more waiting, no more “no’s.”

We cannot allow a depraved criminal element of violent repeat offenders to continue spreading destruction and death throughout our country. We have to respond with force and strength. We have to be vicious just like they are. It's the only thing they understand. 24 of the top 25 most dangerous cities in America are run by Democrat mayors. 50 people were murdered in Chicago in recent weeks with hundreds being shot, and it's time to stop. madness, the people of our country need to insist on protection, safety, law, and order. We have proven that it can be done because we did it right here in D.C. and District of Columbia, the capital of America was a bloodthirsty, horrible, dangerous place.

This is a pretty unbelievable remark, not remark, but a statement that's coming in from POTUS. and he holds up this photo. It was a pretty graphic photo too because I think that was right. The photo that he showed, I think was the still, the CCTV footage

of this woman being stabbed by this murderer. And I mean, he wasn't, I don't think I've ever seen a president do that. But it's incredibly important because the left is trying to say that somehow it's, I don't understand

why they're so against the act of enforcing the law and making streets safer for Americans. Welcome to the program. Back behind the mic after a work trip. It's not really a vacation. It was nice, but it was work. And it's good to be back with you. We're at the top of this first hour here on Tuesday. And that was brand new footage from POTUS. I mean, Kane, what was that? Just like a handful of minutes ago. Yeah, the White House put that out 15 minutes ago. Yeah, brand new. So brand new video, audio from POTUS on that because he's getting pushback, which we're

going to talk about. We're going to dive into all of this because he's getting pushback from Democrats because he is wanting to go and clean up these crime-ridden cities that are all Democrat, generationally Democrat run. Voters don't feel safe. people are being targeted. And so, as you saw with this horrific story of this young woman who came to the United States and is, I mean, it almost seemed as though she was doing everything she could to make herself appear smaller to criminals, right? She was wearing her hat.

She was sitting with her arms crossed. She was clearly, it seemed to me, she was physically uncomfortable in the seat that she was in. She was trying to kind of diminish herself so she's not a target. And then she ends up getting stabbed. We're going to talk about this. We're going to dive into the job, the latest jobs numbers. We're also going to talk about some of the big things as well. Some of the stuff that happened last week that we got to talk about

and as well as a couple of orders coming in from the White House. At the top of the list, though, this headline in earlier this morning, Israel carried out strikes against senior Hamas leaders in Qatar. I guess if the Hamas leaders didn't want to come to Gaza, then Israel was going to bring Gaza to these Hamas leaders in Qatar. they blew up a building that was housing the terror group in the capital city of Doha. And of course, there's not a lot of response just yet from Qatar, although they say they condemn. Apparently the Trump administration was notified about the strike.

And Doha said that they were cowardly and that it was a violation to international law. I would imagine that housing terrorists is also a violation of international law. because you have to remember, these Hamas terrorists, they're hiding out in Qatar and they're hoping that the relationship with Qatar is going to insulate them from any kind of penalties they have as being leaders of a declared terrorist entity. So the Trump administration was apparently made aware, was notified about the attack. But Israel, in their statement, they said it was a singular solo universal response, meaning that it was not a joint operation and that there wasn't any involvement from the United States. states. Really, I don't even think that we know ahead of time that there, I don't think there's a confirmation that even Trump knew ahead of time. He was just notified that it had happened. And so, one of the senior officials said that Khalid Meshall was amongst the leaders who were targeted.

They said that Hamas had this negotiating delegation. They've been dragging their feet with any and all negotiations. And I, you know, I mean, I don't know how, you still haven't released hostages. I don't know how long it's going to take for them to realize that when you carry out what you did on October 7th, there's going to be consequences for it, particularly when you refuse to really negotiate in good faith. And so there was this proposal for a ceasefire in the strip. They said that apparently of the leaders that were in attendance that were pretending to negotiate some sort of cessation of this terror that they were struck. So apparently, apparently all of the members, they, Hamas said that all of the members survived, but that's not the first time that, that wouldn't be the first time that Hamas would lie about something. So take it with a grain of salt. But they said that they had a ceasefire negotiation delegation and that they survived the attack. But apparently other news agencies are saying several others were killed. According to, apparently one of them was the Saudi Channel. So the, apparently the target of the meeting was called Summit of Fire.

Qatar has been the pretense on the international stage is that they're trying to seem as though they are the mediator and the ceasefire. I think that they're trying to have it both ways. And also they are a little compromise because they share a giant energy field with Iran in the sea separating them. However, they've also been more inclined towards the radical Islamism, the radical Shia Islamism that we've seen. So this, very interesting, coming this morning, this strike. And apparently this was even after, I mean, there were several warnings. There were several suggestions that something was in the works as well. And apparently, according to the Wall Street Journal, Israel's ordered a full evacuation of Gaza City because they're expanding the ground in invasion. And again, for all of the people that are criticizing it, you should have been telling Hamas to release the hostage. don't know what to tell you guys. All they had to do was not be terrorists and release the hostages. They have not released the hostages.

So why are you surprised? Do you think that if someone broke into your house and kidnapped your family members, that you, how would you respond if people were telling you that you had no right to react, that you had no right to go and try to get your family members back? Because if you think that there's a difference in that example and then what is happening right now since October 7th, then sorry, you're part of the problem. And you're trying to set these these different conditions on it to change the argument. It's the same. So this is, this is all the latest that's happened. I mean, this is what everybody woke up to this morning. And apparently,

this was from a couple of days ago, Reuters had said that Qatar's prime minister was urging Hamas in Doha. This was ahead of their official sit-down negotiation. to accept the U.S. back proposal for a ceasefire and hostage release. Now, I would, to me, if that's what the Qatari, Prime Minister, is urging, it kind of sounds like they need to make a deal or there's going to be a consequence. But how long have they had to make a deal, guys? How long have they had to release hostages? How is this anybody else's responsibility or fault, but Hamas?

I mean, it's a rhetorical question. It's Hamas's responsibility and Hamas's false. fault. So we've got more on this as we get reactions in. I have to say, I like John Fetterman's remark. I don't know if anybody saw this on X. He had a picture. It was a gif of Winnie the Pooh sitting in front of a honeypot dancing with a spoon and a knife. And he was re-requot, well, quoting an Associated Press piece that said that the Hamas leadership and Doha was targeted by an Israeli strike. So I would say a shorts pass and a hoodie pass at this point, Kane. I think both of them.

Now, some of the other things that we've been seen over the past few days, now we've got the Department of War. You know, that is somewhat significant. I think it puts us on better optical footing. We're going to talk a little bit about this coming up. But the Department of War, they're renaming it. They've apparently been changing it online and in documentation, et cetera. That's actually what it was, you know, what it used to originally be. I mean, I get it, you know, defense of the United States, et cetera.

That's our constitutional obligation. but Department of War, I don't know why that there's hesitation and switching it back to what it was originally named. Not going back to Gaza, but this is somewhat related. Did you guys hear about Kane, your favorite, Greta Thunberg? Her flotilla was firebombed by a drone. I mean, I don't know how many times they're going to attempt these little attention-seeking missions. What are they going to do? Do you think they always need help?

They always end up needing more help than the Gazans that they're apparently trying to go and help themselves. Pretty unbelievable. I have a column that's coming out in the Washington Times this week that gets into this headline, which we're going to talk about more in depth here coming up. But it has to do with the Trump DOJ looking at ways to ban transgender Americans from owning firearms. Now, there's a couple of different ways to look at this. You could look at this like it's a fabulous troll that's going to get the left to defend gun rights. And interestingly enough, don't think that they won't because they absolutely will. These are the same people that flew to El Salvador to have margaritas with Maryland dad slash human trafficker, Kilmar, Abrago Garcia.

So all of this obviously has come from the spate of these mass casualty incidents where you have a transgender killer who's behind the trigger, right, behind the barrel. So you could look at it as though it's a major troll. You could look at it as though this is a very concerning constitutional affront that is a, not going to make its way out of the courts at all whatsoever. Or you could also look at it as though it's the DOJ merely deliberating whether or not they want to suggest a proposal, which I think that the environment that has been created by the left with the push for red flag law, which is the usurpation of due process, that created the environment for such a proposal to even be taken seriously in the first place. So it's a trial balloon to kind of gauge public.

reaction. We're going to talk about this because you've got to be very, very careful. Individual rights when you're determining whether or not someone should be considered a prohibited possessor and it's a deprivation of rights based on, you know, a legitimate issue following due process. This was always done on an individual basis, not a group basis. And I want to revisit a couple of things where we've seen that implemented before the Obama administration. Remember, if you had to seek help from fiduciary in order to deal with your financial plans, whether you were a social security beneficiary or you were a combat veteran, remember how the Obama administration was targeting those individuals like giant groups of people to deprive them of their Second Amendment rights. We're going to revisit some of this stuff here coming up. We've got other stuff we've got to hit as we move partners at Burnagun because a lot of college kids under the age of 21, they live by themselves and they're not. Not old enough to carry a handgun on constitutional. So they still have to protect themselves in some manner.

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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick 5. So let's see here. Y.O.Y is LeBron James writing op-eds for CCP newspapers? I don't know, but he is. NVA's LeBron James apparently wrote an op-ed in a Chinese newspaper expressing his modulation over the friends he's made there and how the sport of basketball connects people around the world. Isn't that interesting?

So he's getting some criticism for it because, yeah, it was in the People's Daily, and that's literally founded and financed and run by the Communist Party of China. And his op-ed, basketball is a bridge that connects us all. It sounds so cringe. Apparently, he talks about the passion and friendliness of his Chinese friends, et cetera, et cetera. And he says, I'm once again in China to start Manix chapter with the fans here, et cetera, et cetera, all that stuff. So I'm not really surprised because it's not. He's always been quiet about CCP offenses.

So, no. The image of capitalism has slipped to 54% in the United States because there are people, there are morons who can't do math. And they apparently perceptions of socialism remain steady at 39% positive. Americans are now, there's still more positive towards capitalism than socialism. But honestly, 54 to 39% is one of the dumbest. What is wrong with people? This is why I can't be in a legged office because I'm like, round them up.

people round up. Round them up. Yeah, that's what we're doing. We're going to round them up and ship them out of here. I don't care if they were born here. I don't care if they're nine generations here. We're going to send you somewhere. But they said that in prior years, Americans remained more negative than positive towards socialism. There's still a little movement

in the attitudes over time, but I can't believe it's still 39% for socialism. That's kind of insane. Also, the U.S. is to cut some security funds for European countries bordering Russia. Now, this is how the Financial Times presents it. This is how it is in reality. These countries are actually paying more of their own money towards, of their own GDP towards defense instead of demanding that we taxpayers fund all of their

militaries, why they sit back on their laurels and expect the United States to do all of the peacekeeping and the defending and the provisions of security, etc. We have more in store where I've been the past week and a half when immigration becomes invasion. Stick with us. Are you tired of doctors telling you no, can't get affordable off-patent medications? You're not alone. All-family pharmacy connects you with licensed U.S. doctors who approve prescriptions online, fast, legally, and without insurance gatekeeping. Get hard-to-access medications like Ivermectin, starting at just $2 per capsule, now up to 25% off, plus mebendazole, hydroxychloroquine, antibiotics, NAD plus the anti-aging injectable, taking the country by storm. Order all.

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Okay. So it can't also be true that Christians are member of Al-Qaeda. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. So I have to stop right at that line. I was blown away by that. And I've known Tucker for years. And, you know, he was incredibly instrumental in getting involved in helping.

Like, for instance, when we were fighting, taking back our school board here from the far left. Welcome back. Dana Lash with you. This discussion that he was having, I thought, was one of the craziest things that I'd ever heard. This idea that it is a political organization where he says, well, I'm not even sure. it's an actually radical jihadi organization, a political organization.

That's what he was saying. Really? Because that's not even what they say. Audio Sumbite 6. This is Hamas commander Mahmoud al-Zahar, who, well, he outlines it here. He said, there will be no more Jews or Christians.

Listen, six. He's saying yes, he's like, he's not even just talking about Israel at this point. point, this commander. He's saying there will be no more Christians either. And he's not the only Hamas leader that has said this. Other Hamas leaders have said that there will continue to be October 7th and that it won't just be limited to Jewish people. I want to know where all of these white Hamas apologists get the idea that Hamas only hates Jewish people. Because they hate Christians too. That's why they kill Christians. By the way, that's why they kill Christians. By the way,

That's why Christians have to pay jizia in other Arab-dominated nations. Go and look and see how Christians are treated in Arab nations. Where do all of these? I mean, it's like white women, like acting like they're coming in to save black Americans. That's what a lot of these white Hamas apologists sound like. And they are apparently completely unaware of Hamas's long-established hatred of Christians. Oh, but because you both dislike Jewish people, that somehow you're just going to hide little Christian part until when are you going to deal with that aspect of their hatred?

They hate anyone who is not also radically Islamist, period. This idea that it's a political organization. Oh, it's both of them. See, the problem with the way that the United States and a lot of people, I would say like Carlson and others view this, is that you're looking at a religious, spiritual war and you're trying to prosecute it politically. And that is the problem. because to these radical Islamists, this is not a political thing to them.

Sure, Hamas is a political organization. Hamas is so popular that not only were they slated in 2021 to completely buy a landslide, again, when in Gaza and sidebar, if you think that that's not accurate, I will remind you that every nation on God's Green Earth sent election observers in 2007, and they also had observers, again, to watch the polling process, you had the, United Nations. You had everyone from the EU. So yes, it actually is verified that they are supremely popular, not just in Gaza, where they won in 07 and they won even support in West Bank. But in 21, they were slated with polls showing overwhelming support by a landslide to take West Bank as well

and completely control the Palestinian Authority. So in terms of control, there are no more moderates in that entity because the Palestinian authority has been entirely taken over by that radical faction. And I would say, I would even describe other factions within it as radical. Absolutely. Before all intents and purposes, for the sake of this discussion, Hamas is the one that has it in its charter that it doesn't believe in its neighbor to the north right to exist. That's the difference. That's one of the reasons why it's so supremely popular. It's one of the reasons why you have generational support for Hamas. It's one of the reasons why you have women who are eager to sign their sons up to be martyrs for the terrorist cause. So for the past, I guess,

week and a half, was it a week and a half game, I guess? Yeah. I went up, I was with MRC, Media Research Center, and they're a great organization. And they do a lot of this, a lot of the stuff that you hear, the left say on television and the stories they try to bury. MRC catches them with news busters, Tim Graham, they do such a great job, David Beauxell, Brent Bozel. So I was with them, and it was my first ever cruise. I'm still a little weird about the boat because I, yes, I did have jet lag and yes, I did have to take prescription antinaglia, but that's a whole other discussion. But we went all over in and around. We were in Amsterdam and we went all over Norway. And in Amsterdam, I was just really shocked. I mean, granted, we were in Amsterdam and

we weren't like in the outskirts. So maybe it's like a different, you know, when you get outside of Amsterdam and Rotterdam and the Hague and Antwerp and all of that. but the I saw a lot of I saw a lot of gaza and stuff when we were in Norway in Oslo I didn't see as much of it but when we got off the boat in Christiansend which is one of the southernmost seaports in Norway I immediately started seeing Ghaz and flags and Hamas propaganda and it was pretty shocking I did take some photos although I don't know if we I don't know if yeah I did take some photos sorry you have to forgive that that was just one of them. Because I just have no tolerance. You see that? Look at that censoring job there. I was, I felt like a very proud intolerant of terrorism American. And it's interesting because, you know, I was talking to, actually on our way back, we were talking to a Norwegian soldier.

And he was saying that how weird it was that a lot of the people, a lot of the immigrants that are coming in from Norway, and I wrote about this, by the way, if you subscribe to substack, a lot of the immigrants that are coming in to Norway that are, from errant nations. He's like, they're all fighting age males. You know, you had this deliused just like anywhere else of people who wanted to enter illegally. And he said, they're all fighting age males. And he said, every, and I told him, I said, well, are they enlisting to serve as you have?

And he said, no. So you have all of these people coming in and they have their hands out for benefits. It's another. Here's another photo. This was in yet another. I know. You'll just have to ignore. It's me.

You guys, it's like you just met me. So, yeah, I mean, you know, I was holding a black stick right there. That's exactly what it was. That's all it was. So I told him, I said, so everybody has their hands out for benefits and welfare, but nobody wants to serve. And he said, yeah, that's actually it. That's correct. That's it in a nutshell.

You've got to think about something here. Immigration. And when a lot of people talk about immigration, especially in the left, I think that they, you know, we've had the discussion before, that they would like to, you know, to forgive me, I'm pulling this up for a second. they they conflate purposefully illegal immigration and legal immigration and which is such a disingenuous argument it's so disingenuous the way that it's done

when you know when we were up there I was amazed by the landscape it was the furthest north I've ever been I was amazed by the landscape it was absolutely beautiful the sea was very I can't imagine the beans on some of these Vikings that were like yeah we're going to build these long wooden ships and launch them in these seas that rage like they hate us. Yeah, we're going to totally do that. And it's, it's a mad, I mean, it's very, it was very on-inspiring and humbling. But then, you know, you have all of these,

like we were in Sandness, another part, Stavanger Sandness. There were areas that, you know, you could, they had gauze and flags in the window, et cetera. Immigration used to mean assimilation. And it's the melting pot, e pluribus unum, right, from many one. And there's a reason why that's the slogan for the United States because our strength comes from many with one purpose, the desire to be free, the animating spirit of liberty. And at some point, the left decided that even the phrase melting pot was offensive. Can I don't even know when that happened, but like for 10 years, you've been told you can't even say that phrase anymore. This sentiment has no place in Europe, though, right? Because they have been throwing themselves upon the sword

to satiate this illegally emigrating population that does not want assimilation, it does not want kinship, they want complete vanquishment of their host. That's being conquered. You, when you immigrate to a country, you don't go to change the country, you go to be part of what is already there in existing.

And that's previously, that's how it was in the United States. But that's not how it is anymore. it's definitely not how it's been in Europe. Nordic birth rates have been continuously plummeting for the past 20 years. Part of the reason, and this is the whole other topic of discussion, is the dwindling church attendance, dwindling practice of faith, because where faith diminishes, so too does the creation of families. You have about 5.6 million people in Norway. You had a million people that were, that immigrated in within the past, what, 15, 18 months. Now you have the, uh, the, uh,

about 3% of the population being Muslim. Norwegian birth rates have held just barely, though, especially compared to like Finland and Sweden, where they're just precipitously just plummeted. But the friction is you're importing large numbers of people from Muslim majority nations that, again, as I said, there's no attempt for assimilation, no attempt for kinsmanship.

There is no, there's the idea of coexisting, it's, we're not seeing that. I mean, when I was over there, I kept seeing, there was tons of videos that hit the, hit social media. For instance, there was a man in Denmark who was arguing with someone who had immigrated in. And the guy was, the Muslim man was telling the Danish man that, well, you'll have two kids, I'll have five. We are going to outbred you. You're going to be exterminated. And that's a sentiment that has been caught in various forms on video, weirdly in the past month, that's been cropping up all over Europe.

You've seen it in Britain where they're even prevented from flying the same. St. George's Cross, they can't even fly the English flag, but the Gosen flag is completely acceptable. And if you don't go by, if you don't adhere to that new rule, then you're actually arrested. It's unbelievable. In Scotland, you have the little girl who is forced to become Bautica 2.0, carrying around a hatchet and a knife because there was a guy who was following her around and targeting her and her 12-year-old sister. So this is, I mean, Norway was not yet, I think, near the point of destabilization as the rest of Europe, but how in the world did such a proud, fierce nation of super tall people?

By the way, they're like the tallest people I've ever seen in my life. Super tall people that launched these wooden ships into angry seas with no idea of the destination. How did they find themselves at the sparse tip of a fanatically religious. ideology. One that bitches and wines like abused stepchildren in Western nations, but imprisons and murders Christians within its own nations. That's where we're at. Spare me the idea that it's, oh, it's just a political organization. If that's what you think, then you are so grossly unaware of this issue, you shouldn't be talking about it on a national platform. You have people who, I put in my substack if you subscribe, that want to undermine national sovereignty.

and they lace all these false premises with poison, and they accuse those who resist of being, who resist unsupportable mass migration of xenophobia or bigotry. And good moral people recoil at stuff like that. Most would rather avoid an impugnation of their own character than be accused of something so horrible, right? But the problem with doing so is that it allows a lie to go unchallenged. And that's the strategy.

The objection is an immigration. The objection is against unsupportable levels of immigration, illegal immigration, and the refusal of people immigrating to demonstrate some respect and assimilate into the previously existing culture of the host nation. You're in our house. And these are our rules. Anybody who plays along with a subterfuge, you're kidding yourself. A lot of Western. nations, particularly. This is asymmetrical warfare. It uses the stupidest laws and lacks enforcement against nations that have entirely forgotten their sovereignty and their responsibility that goes along with it. And you have these elected leaders that have entirely forgotten their duty to their citizens. They vow to protect them, but they've been accommodating people who seek to subjugate them, like you've seen in videos now on the daily from the UK. This is the problem. I mean, gone are the days when men line up in red coats and take turns being shot at. Nobody prosecutes wars like that

anymore. Battles are not just won by bombs and bullets, by trade, by tariff, and by invasion that is wrongly labeled asylum. And so this is, people who believe the lies that are being told about this, they're conquering themselves. Europe is weak and Europe is failing. And in many places, it's already conquered. You are witnessing the colonization of Europe. The left hates the word colonization, but that's exactly what radical Islam is doing to Western nations in Europe. They are colonizing it. They are colonizers, just like they colonized parts of Africa, just like they colonized Iran, just like they colonized Persian nations and try to appropriate their architecture, their culture, their creations, their music. It's colonization. Be accurate about it. And I'm telling you

you, the time has passed for polite conversation. You have to have hard conversations about this. Because at some point, this is not going to be a battle between Democrats and Republicans. This is not going to be a battle between Russians and Ukrainians. This is going to be a battle between radical Islamists and everyone else. I wish Tucker would realize that. We got a lot more on the way. Since Roe v. Wade was overturned. Over 100 abortion clinics have closed, but the abortion pill now makes up more than 60 percent of abortions across America. But there's hope. Every day. Preborn is rescuing lives, showing moms their ultrasounds, and saving about 200 babies per day. When a mom sees and hears her baby's heartbeat, everything changes.

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Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of the United States. I want to be clear that, like, law enforcement isn't to prevent crime. Law enforcement solves crime, okay? That is what they are supposed to do. They are supposed to solve crimes. Not necessarily prevent them from happening, per se. They're supposed to enforce the law is what they're supposed to do. It's why it's.

law enforcement. It's like in the, it's in the title of what they are. I'm so glad she got redistricted out. I just can't believe that she went to MICDS in St. Louis. Like, if I was in my CDS, the school, I'd be like,

oh, who? We don't know her. We don't know her. We don't know her because that's embarrassing. People would be like, oh, Jasmine Crockett went to that Tony school. I don't know if I want to send my kid there because they might come out as stupid. Ugh. I know. So coming up in our second hour, we got a few things to dive into.

We've been talking about not just immigration, but also lawlessness and disorder. The media was very, very upset that you guys noticed that there was a murder in Charlotte. They were very upset that you guys saw the video. Not that it happened, but that you saw it and are talking about the video of the girl getting stabbed by the man on the train. So we're going to discuss that. We also, the Epstein letter. We also have transgenderism and guns. Stick with us more on the way. Did you know that fall is one of the best seasons for planting? Many trees and plants thrive when planted now, but knowing where to start makes all the difference. That's why you should turn to fast-growing trees, the largest online nursery in the United States. They offer thousands of plants from fruit trees to privacy hedges, all tailored to your climate. So landscaping feels stress-free. Plus, their alive and thrive guarantee means that your plants arrive ready to grow. No more loading up. a dirty car or wandering around a nursery with limited options.

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Really, over the weekend, Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, other Trump-aligned figures succeeded in making this senseless death a symbol of big city crime. We heard President Trump asked about it yesterday when he was heading home from New York City. He didn't seem to know much about it. He said he would get briefed. And then today, Trump did know all about it. That's exactly what has happened here. This story has trickled up from local news to social media and now to the president's attention. And it's being used, as you said, Brianna, as a political symbol, with MAGA media calling for more forceful punishments and more incarceration. I have to say, some of the replies to Musk, some of the comments around this story are baldly racist, stoking fear of African Americans because this man attacked a white woman. The open racism on sites like X today, it's eye-popping.

Did he talk about the open racism when that man was captured on video saying, quote, I got her. I got that white girl. you know that video exists right i didn't really want to show it because as he's saying it blood is dripping all off that knife all under the floor he goes over at one point and he stands by the door and you can hear the the room tone as we would call it of the accelerating uh subway and you can hear it on the rails and then you can hear him say i got that white girl and he kept repeating it over and over again so does brian seltre want to talk about the racial and that would drive someone to do that and then say what he said?

I mean, I can't really take lectures from people who sanctioned the burning, looting, and murdering during two summers of riots in the wake of George Floyd. I mean, good grief. They live to make it racial. White newscasters on networks like CNN and MSNBC, they love making things racial. their entire advertising apparatus is built upon racism. That's why they are entirely silent when you have mass shootings that take place every weekend in urban areas like Chicago, but then it's wall-to-wall coverage if it's a predominantly white school district somewhere in the suburbs.

The racial animus literally fuels the money that flows into their bank accounts. That's how he gets paid. So spare me this idea that suddenly. you have an aversion to racial animus when your entire career has been made on it. And those are facts. This idea, they're so upset that you notice this. They're so upset. Where was, boy, we really needed a Daniel Penny at this moment, didn't we?

Remember how Brian Stelter and people like him were so aggravated at Daniel Penny? Oh, he was for sure a racist because he targeted this poor Michael Jackson. an impersonator. I mean, forget the fact that the guy was so violent. He already had a warrant out for his arrest that he had punched a woman and an elderly woman in her face and broke on her nose, shoved another one on the train tracks, threatened

to kill people repeatedly on that train platform. And his family only came around when they thought there was some money to be made on it. No, no, no. Brian Stelter and other people like him at MSNBC and CNN. They were convinced that people like Daniel Penny, people who stood up against threats, did so because they were

motivated by race. But here you have a man who repeatedly stabbed a girl in the neck and literally says, I got that way, girl, and you're going to go ahead and excuse it. Even if there wasn't a racial component to it at all whatsoever, which I'm sorry, but there is. There is a little bit to the crime. There is a little bit to that going on behalf of what that killer said. But also, the way that, like I said, stelter and these other white network heads, the way that they cover these stories and present them to the public.

They make everything racial. everything. Even if there isn't a racial component, they're going to make it racial. Even if there isn't one, they're going to make it racial. Just how it is, how they've always done. They would rather do that than talk about the lawlessness and disorder. I mean, that's not the only one. There's more. This is AudioSumby 3. There's, there, again, this is CNN. Listen to this. This is garbage. You mentioned the thing about cashless bail. I think, this is a big challenge that we have. Would you have felt better if there had been cash bail and the mom had come and put down $1,000 to let him out?

It's not about cashless bail or no cashless bail. It's about the fact that we don't know how to deal with people who are hurting in the way this man was hurting. Hurt people, hurt people. What happened was horrible,

but it becomes an opportunity for people to jump on bandwagons. And then for someone like Charlie Kirk, he should be ashamed of himself. No one mentioned the word race, white, black, or anything. So he says, heard people, hurt people? Guess who really got hurt?

Oh, yeah, that's right. The woman named Irene who was stabbed in the neck. Right. She was the one who was actually hurt. I guess they've forgotten all about her, right? Now they're victimizing a murderer. You can't win with these people. You cannot win with people who are going to excuse criminality. And that's just it. I mean, here you have this entire panel falling all over themselves saying, oh, well, I mean, Van Jones was saying that there was no evidence that. she was attacked because of her skin color. But then again, literally the guy was on camera. If I have to play it, I will. I have it. I mean, the idea this, this, he said it on camera repeatedly. So are we not going to address that aspect of it? I mean, he literally targeted her because she was a white girl sitting on the subway and CNN is trying to make excuses for it. Not every single act, not every criminal act is one that's born in racism or prejudice or sexism. But this one was. And the way that the media is reacting to it is. The way that they always react to it is because they live on racial animus. I'll say it again for the people who read with pictures, the drive-bys. Not every single act of criminality is born in racism, right? Get over it.

It's not. This one was. I mean, again, we have the video. I hesitate to show it because there's blood in it and it's dripping off. over the floor from his bloody knife after he just plunged it into the neck of this girl. You know what else gets me? The way these people sat there on the train. This is like a horror scene. I don't know. I don't even think there's a scene from the exorcist that is as terrifying is what is in the video. All these people are sitting there. He gets up and stabbed her and she

starts suffocating to death and people sit there. Finally, people did come and help her. But people on the train sit there. How many times have you seen? seen videos where people just sit there. Listen, Juan has the audio. We'll play the audio for you. Because I hesitate to show the video. Yeah. And he's got blood all over the place. Blood dripping all over the floor. He's walking into another train car saying it. And then people who maybe don't realize that he just stabs someone, they're like, wait, what? And then they see he's got a knife. And then they see, oh my gosh, it's bloody. And it's dripping all blood all over the floor. I mean, you can see it in the video. All these people that sat there on that train. It's because society, this is why I talk about self-defense so much, because it's not even about firearms.

There is an effort underway to make people not want to defend good, not want to defend themselves or defend against evil when it acts. That is a very real thing. I the woman who sat next to her who got up and walked away what is wrong with you what is wrong with a society I am it's it's truly shocking and the other thing as well is we are also being conditioned to feel like it's mean if our gut instinct tells us something about someone it doesn't matter if somebody's black or white. If they look menacing, they look menacing. It doesn't matter.

Women can be the same just as men. But if somebody looks menacing, they look menacing. And when the girl is sitting there, when she gets on the train, she's sitting there, she's wearing a hat. I'm looking at this. I am getting the impression that she is aware of something in that car, in that train car, the subway car. she feels the unease and the way she's sitting it's like she's trying to make herself smaller

and the way she recoils and brings her legs in and just kind of goes into this fetal position after he stabs her she was doing everything she could to make herself appear inconspicuous and not a target not attractive as a target

not a threat and this is one of the reasons why I also bring up the transition Women are told to ignore their gut instincts and they're shamed when they want to react to them. You are shamed if you pick up on something in public and you're made to feel as though you're mean because you were reacting to it when really it's literally years of flight or fight response and your body's recognition, subconscious recognition of a perceived threat. and you are told to ignore this biology, that it's mean to react to what your body, your body's biological response to a subconsciously perceived threat.

It is so incredibly abusive and damaging. The other thing that the president, well, this was the DOJ, I have a column coming out in the Washington Times about this. The Trump DOJ is looking at ways to ban transgender Americans from owning guns. here's the issue with us the there are I think there's three ways to look at it

that it's a troll that's going to result in the left defending gun rights and they will again remember Kilmar Abrago Garcia the Maryland dad they went to literally flew to El Salvador to have margaritos with him it's also

a serious policy proposal that will infringe upon second amendment rights and wouldn't make its way out of the courts you could look at it like that you could also look at it as though the DOJ is only deliberating They haven't proposed anything yet. But the fact that we have this environment to where it's even, could be even considered is

alarming. We, there already exists numerous court processes to adjudicate somebody mentally and fit. And Republicans haven't helped because they and Democrats have been arguing that red flag law is like a means to an end, sacrificing due process. And again, constitutional rights should never be a casualty of legal. expediency. The process exists for a reason. It's a safeguard against abuses. And you have to think our founders were very well versed in this after defeating the British when this was proposed. Determining mental defectiveness is done by an individual, not a group basis. And I will caution

people on this. Everybody from combat veterans to postpartum mothers, you are opening the door to one of the most dangerous things that could be conceived by entertaining this. We're going to come back to this after our headlines, and I'll explain. Are you tired of doctors telling you no? Can't get affordable off-patent medications? You're not alone. All-family pharmacy connects you with licensed to U.S. doctors who approve prescriptions online, fast, legally, and without insurance gatekeeping.

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anyway, to allow utility companies to limit customers' energy usage. It's Representative Roy Klop Feinstein from Havelin. He said that the measure hasn't been assigned a committee. They're talking about, he's a, oh, I think he's Ohio a lawmaker. But what? Why are we having energy problems? Why would we have to limit? I'm going to tell you, I'm not going to have my energy.

I would not have, I will literally riot. I'm not threatening that, like, idly. I actually will riot, Cain. I will stomp on some shrubs. No, I actually am. I would take to the streets over this. That's a major issue. Let people get what they pay for.

Lumber prices are flashing a warning sign for U.S. economy. That's coming out of the Wall Street Journal. They said wood prices are sliding. Mills are cutting back because of uncertainty over tariffs in a building slump. Well, yeah, we've got to have more deals cut. And yes, you are going to have prices increase in certain things because that's literally how tariffs work.

It's supposed to be leverage. I get it. It's a tactic, but I will also warn that the White House has got to get all these deals buttoned up in order to reverse this and to stop that. So we all knew that going into it. The 2025 American Dream, this is depressing. We'll cost you $5 million. What?

Who decides this? this is um it's a it's a interesting piece in newsweek although they bury the lead like a million paragraphs down which i can't stand no one it's like how you go to a recipe find a like a recipe online i really i don't care about your life i don't care about your kids i don't care about your house i don't care about anything just give me your stupid food recipe or shut up give me the recipe get out there's actually a website that you can put the recipe link into and it does all that it strips it all out did you know that i swear to you it is it's real i can't remember it right now i have it saved but it's true anyway they're saying that the

American Dream, especially when you look at retirement, et cetera. Yeah, it's like $5 million. Long story short, saved you a click. Let's see. Scott Besson apparently got into a fight per Politico with an administration rival and threatened to punch him in the blanking face, which makes me like Scott Besson even more. I mean, if you're displeased, say it. I like the fact that he's very forthright about it. He threatened to punch top housing finance official Bill Pult in the blanking face. Yeah. That sounds about, do you, when you look at Scott Besson, does he seem like that?

He's like a timid guy that knows a lot about finance. He, yeah, he seems. Can I be real? Can I be real? I don't mean to be disrespectful. He seems like a dork. Kind of? Yeah, so it's like weird when a dork is like, I'm going to punch you in your blank in

face. I'm like, ooh, you're a spicy dork. What? All right. So we, let's see, Israeli startup Red Sea Biotech. wants to replace donors with lab-grown blood from stem cells. I don't like that. I don't like any, look, again, hi, I don't even have a Roomba.

Don't even have that. Why are we lab-growing everything? Why does it need to be lab-grown? The only thing that's okay for lab-grown is diamonds. Oh, it is too. Stop acting like somehow because kids mind it with their hands that it's more romantic. Shut up. I can't even stand these people that are like, no, I'm not going to have.

Stop it. It's a rock. I mean, for crying out loud. Let's see here. You're welcome. Also, labor market growth slows dramatically. We got some jobs numbers that we're going to have to dive into. But we've got to talk about the guns and the transgender stuff coming up.

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In the unlikely event that you find yourself the victim of a home invasion, we are urging citizens not to take matters into their own hands. While we don't want homeowners to feel powerless, we urge you to call 911 and do everything. You can to keep yourself and love one safe until police arrive and be the best witness possible. Wow. This could mean locking yourself. This is one of the, I saw this when, what was it, like over the weekend. And I, to say that I was shocked is, it's putting it mildly.

That's in Canada. And they were telling people, well, you know, if you're attacked, if you're dealing with a home invasion, you know, don't take matters into your own hands. Go ahead and comply. No, no, no, no. What happens, there's two sayings that I like that are not my own, Hadley. I took them from a friend that, friends that we trained with. People, first off, home invasions in my house, you leave in a bag.

I'm not kidding. I have zero problem with it. I will sleep so soundly at night. We will make a mess for the medic and we'll make it really interesting for the morgue. That's exactly how home invaders should be dealt with. And that's how, that's our rule in our house. So your family will have to gather your pieces like, you know, you're playing jacks. That's what'll happen.

This is what I was talking about. This idea and I, we're, we're going to talk more about the, the train thing too. This idea, it's not just about firearms. This is also about defense, period. This is about defense, self-defense. and the thought that it's mean to the criminal, if you are defending yourself against the criminal, that somehow the criminal's life is more valuable than your owns or that of your families. And you can see why Canada is the way it is in that.

Can you imagine something? That would never go over here in the U.S. or would it? Let's go to this column that I have that's coming out in the Washington Times this week. So as you know, we were talking about this just a moment ago. The president, well, the DOJ, not the president, the DOJ has proposed. They're deliberating a proposal. So they haven't proposed. They're deliberating a proposal as to whether or not they want to block transgender individuals from buying firearms, right?

Here's the problem with that. You, when you are going through the process of adjudicating someone and the legal term is mentally defective, that's done on an individual basis. It's not a group basis. It's done individually. Remember how previously the Biden administration said that white supremacy was the biggest threat to the security of the United States. So suppose going on this precedent, then we then just start, you know, targeting white Americans because of this asinine edict from the previous administration, right? Or how young black males involved in gang activity are a major driver of crime in cities like Chicago. So are we going to start just disarming all, you know, under 30 black men in the country? And citing that precedent, you've got to be very, very careful about going after entire groups. Look at veterans. I know you all remember this. This was in 2015, the Obama administration. wanted to ban Social Security beneficiaries from legally purchasing firearms if they required

assistance to manage their affairs. And it was something that also targeted combat veterans. It was just a broad application. It wasn't something that was deliberated or, or determined on an individual basis. This is the problem. Transgenderism, actually, and I think this is wild. I don't agree with it. It's not classified as a mental illness. It's only considered a diagnosis. Transsexualism previously, I mean, at least in like 2013, used to be considered a mental illness. But now transgenderism in 2025 is only, it's only considered a diagnosis, which I think is, I don't agree with it, but I'm just saying I think it's interesting. I don't know the legal pathway of, I guess you have to work within the, what you have to have it class.

as a mental illness the way that transsexualism was. I mean, what is the, I mean, you see why all the, you could make up all these words and then it's like, how do you invoke certain legal, uh, rules because the words are entirely made up and entirely arbitrary. It's weird. The problem is this. Um, you can't, you can't approach mental illness as a one size fits all kind of thing. First off, I don't even think a proposal like this would make it through the courts. It would never make it through the court system. Secondly, you have to preserve due process. I know that Democrats and a number of Republicans have really been against that and they have promoted red flag laws. And just so you know, red flag laws literally is the suspension

of due process. Anyone who says that, well, you can have red flag laws so long as you respect due process, that's the stupidest thing. That's like saying you're going to get a little bit pregnant. That's so stupid because it doesn't exist. It's the whole thing is is the removal of due process. You are considered guilty until you prove yourself innocent after the penalty is rendered. And most of the times it's an ex parte process, meaning the penalty is rendered and you have no idea that any move is being even made against you until after the fact. That's how, and then you have to pay in order to, you have to hire an attorney, you have to pay the court fees, you have to pay thousands of dollars to fight back and clear your name. That's how that process works. So people who say,

well, so long as it protects it, it doesn't. There's not a single state in which there is literally not a single state in this union where it does. It's a suspension of due process. You cannot start removing the cornerstone of this republic for expediency. You're sacrificing constitutionality, which you will never reclaim for expediency. Or as a way to pick up the slack for laziness, I know it's difficult to go through the court. process, but it is a feature of the system for a reason. It's not a bug. It's a feature of the system because you're talking about deprivation of rights and it should be taken as a very serious thing.

So I can't imagine how this would not be weaponized by future Democrat administrations. I just don't. I just can't imagine how it wouldn't be. The reason that we have these protections in place is because they are safeguards against abuse. Now, maybe this. proposal is nothing more than, you know, a trial balloon to kind of gauge public support. That's it. Maybe, you know, but do you realize, again, all of these are variables? We've already had previous administrations try to target the elderly. We've had previous administrations try to target combat vets. What if you are a postpartum mother and you have baby blues? What if suddenly citing a precedent such as this, if this proposal is, in fact,

proposed and implemented, how then could, how no one's exempt. You're going to put a chilling effect on people that would try to even seek help for any kind of mental health issue. And keep in mind that most people who are dealing with a mental illness are only dangerous to themselves and not every person who's dealing with a mental illness is dangerous, nor are they prone to violence. This just encourages ignorance where it concerns mental health issues. This is like the ignorance level of COVID all over again, just in a different genre now. So no. Now, do I think that body dysmorphia is a mental illness? I absolutely do. Is it a mental illness that is grave enough to substantiate a deprivation of rights? That's what the process is for.

And that would be something you would have to determine that on an individual basis. anything less than that is anti-constitutional. There's no way it would make it through the muster of the courts. No way. And nor should anyone support it. It promotes a grotesque misunderstanding of mental health. And like I said, during a time when it seems like more people, not fewer people need assistance with mental health issues, you're putting a chilling effect on all this. It's unfortunate.

unfortunate. So this issue too, pulling this story up, speaking of self-defense, on the train with the young woman and the whole process of adjudicating someone unfit. This individual,

the killer in this case, apparently there was a North Carolina judge that released him. He had been arrested. I don't know. How many times prior? 14 times. He had a rap sheet that was quite long. He was arrested for misuse of the 9-11-9-1-1 system.

He was arrested for a number of different things. He's got a rap sheet, by the way. But apparently at one point he was diagnosed with schizophrenia. His mother started the process. She said that he became so aggressive, she had to kick him out of her home. He was placed under psychiatric monitoring for two weeks. He's already been involuntarily committed, so he's a prohibited possessor. So he was involuntarily committed.

He got diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2014. She had to kick him out of the house. He's beat up his sister. He's had armed robbery, all kinds of stuff. And despite all of this back when he was arrested one of the last times, and this is this judge I was talking about. This was on a charge of misusing the 911 system where he was saying that there was some sort of man-made substance in his body controlling him so he called 911. They let him go. They let him go. He didn't have an address and he was a flight risk, but they let him go. He had a written promise

to appear at the next court hearing. He was allowed to walk. And then he went and murdered someone. This is that restorative justice that gets people killed 14 times. his mother started the process, but it looks like she just ended up, he was so, she just kicked him out. Sounded like he, I mean, involuntarily committed, he was involuntarily committed once already.

We've, I do think that there is a debate to be had over what to do with people like this, that maybe they don't even have anybody in their lives that can go through this process and, and either have them involuntarily committed or get them the help they need.

I mean, what does the society do? This is a question for the capital ill libertarians. What does the society do when you have dangerous people out on the street and the family doesn't want to hold them responsible? I'm going to tell you something, removing due process, you know, like with the transgender gun rule thing, that's not going to make people like this guy's mom make it more likely that she will stay with the process to have him adjudicated unfit. He was already unfit anyway. He was involuntarily committed. it's it's removing due process from others doesn't make it doesn't make the innocent safe removing their due process doesn't make it safe for anybody he had already been in prison for five years for armed robbery

he immediately i mean has got you watch him grow up in his mugshots actually that's the thing i'm realizing here i'm looking at all of his mugshots you watch him grow up in his mug shots that is unbelievable but the judges the judges kept letting him go domestic disturb He was let go. Being up a sister, he was let go. All of these previous charges, he was let go. Letting career criminals walk free and then they go and kill people. Yeah, that is an issue.

Apparently the mom wanted him to be locked up. She said that she's not making excuses for her son. That, quote, what he did was atrocious. It was horrible and it was wrong. She says he's not a victim. She says she wanted to speak about his arrest to highlight how the system failed and things got to this point. she said that he started saying weird things at some point he served five years on an armed robbery charge she got him evaluated he got more aggressive she got him involuntarily committed a court order

they placed him for monitoring for two weeks he got schizophrenia uh he became homeless because she had to kick him out he was so aggressive so she washed her hands of him so what happens in that case when someone washes their their hands at what at what point does it stop being the family responsibility and it starts being society's responsibility. These are tough questions that people have to ask. Because more and more people, I mean, I feel like this is becoming, you're starting to see this more and more. Also because we live in a society where you're told that it's mean if you try to get help for people. If you, you, apparently you can help an anorexic. You can help someone that has depression, but if you try to help someone that has body dysmorphia, you're mean. If you try to

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I don't know why with the cow in there every time it gets me. Okay, where do we start? Let's start with this Florida man. Okay, so this is a big O headline. A bartender stabs a customer who is also a Florida man. They got into an argument over, they got into an argument over a bar tab, and then one of them made crude remarks about the other's dead, sorry, dead mother. There's a lot.

There's a lot to, oh, who would have thought, the guy with face tattoos? Let's see. So he, oh, he stabbed him 10 times. It's called Grumpy's Underground, you know, any place that looks like. that with a handmade sign just screams total legit right jason rosario 30 faces a charge of attempted second-degree murder at grumpy's underground bar in orlando because of the problem because he stabbed a dude 10 times so apparently long gosh let's go with this dramatic story all right so the cops responded they were flagged down by a woman that had blood all over she said she was in an alley

behind the bar. Two men were fighting. A man brushed past her. Said there's the stabbing. They walked back to the bar. Patron alerted her, did the blood on their hands, blah, blah, blah. Cops interviewed them. They said the victim happened because someone said that they could go, I can't say that at all on air. I can't say this one either. They made some comments that I can't repeat on air. Something

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Welcome, Dana Lash with you. Don't forget, we got the chat at Rumble, and you can live street, you can watch us do the radio show. We don't have teleprompters, so I have a screen that I look down at too for the drive-by, as you always want to just blah that gap. That you can watch us do radio, Channel 347 Direc TV, watch us there. So I was in Norway

with MRC for like a week and a half. and I had brown cheese. It's like the way of cheese with goats milk, the process, and then like you boil it down and caramelize it and it gets and then you slice into cheese and you put it on a waffle with some marmalade and I had it with a pint for second breakfast and it was delicious. And a town called Shulgin.

I did kind of learn how to pronounce some of the town's names. You'll be very pleased. I did go on a cruise. Would you guys know my thing about cruises? Do I like the cruise boats? I don't know. But I did have to take prescription anti-naugia. Big tip, by the way, big thanks to have all-family pharmacy,

who doesn't even have a live plan for today. But all-family pharmacy, forget me them drugs, because it's the only way I was, your girl was staying on that boat. Because the North Seas are angry, man, and they don't like you. And it's like the sea was trying to throw us off for a while. It was like a buck and bronco. And so I was, I had all the, you know, I was taking all the anti-nautia meds.

And it worked. people were like, oh, you need to try some ginger. Broad, I love you, but that's not going to work. Boinland a little lemon and ginger ain't working for me, okay? I need an RX strength. So thanks to all family pharmacy for making that happen. So, yeah, we did the boat thing. I didn't even know, and we got meat and potatoes to get into, and we're going to talk to

my friend Ben Shapiro. I used to work with him up right, right back in the day. He's going to be on at the bottom of the hour. But I did not know that it was a whole thing. culture. Did you know that, Kane? Cruise ships are like a whole culture. I did not know that. Me, I didn't know. I didn't know that. And there were a lot of spaces on the boat and there were like big, I walked around. Like, I can't believe all of this is on a boat. That expression on my face the whole time. But yeah, it was interesting. And then we got to go and see a lot of very cool. We got to this little bitty tiny village in Norway. Shuljan. It's at the end of the Sonian Fjord. Yeah, I think that's it.

And, okay, I have a story. So trolls are everywhere, right? So we go to this tiny, tiny little village and you get off and walk a mile and that's great. You know, you're out in nature. It's so beautiful you think it's fake, right? You're like, this is some Lord of the Rings. Like, there are going to be some orcs that pop out here any moment. You know, I feel like, you know, we're in Rivendell.

It felt like we were in Rivendell. So anyway, we go and we're in Shulgin, and they were amazing. and I, uh, we go into, I guess they're like tourist information place and we were learning about the stave churches and all this stuff. And, um, there were trolls, troll dolls and troll figurines. And you know how some people put ceramic geese in front of their houses? Okay, it's trolls there. Instead of the geese, it's trolls. And my husband just like offhanded asked this one, what, very tall woman. She clearly, she was Norwegian. She was like 5,000 feet tall.

And they were all like, they don't age. I think they're vampires. And this other woman, I swear she had to be 90s. She had like long white hair that was in a braid. I mean, like they all look like shield maidens over there. Anyway. And he's like, well, can you tell us about the trolls? Like, is it like, you know, kind of a funny thing?

Is it a mascot? And she goes, well, you know, if you look up into the mountain, I can't do the accent. If you look up into the mountain and you might see, she said like a, a glint of light. It could be a troll. We had no idea if she was being serious or not, but she scared the hell out of us. We had no, I felt like, you know how Kane says that old people scare him? So it was like, I couldn't tell if it was like a, it was, I didn't know what to do. She was like not, she was so serious and she was telling us this and we're like, oh my gosh, they're trolling them out. Like, what is happening? You would have been terrified,

cane. All their old people were bigger than you. It sounds like that. And you're a tall dude. You're the average size and all the old people are bigger than you. Really? They don't shrink. They just get taller. I don't know. I'd still be honest with them. Yeah, you would have been like, I gotta go back to the boat. I'm terrified.

I'd tell them, I just don't assume they're innocent. That's all. I'm just saying. We made friends with some animals and, you know, I mean they're just beautiful, absolutely beautiful up there. They are actually thinking So David Bezell of Media Research Center was telling me that Norway is considering banning ships that use like diesel or fossil fuels. They haven't fully banned diesel ships, but they've mandated zero emission operation for smaller ships and for larger ships by 2032 in their fjords to reduce pollution.

And they said that you have to use zero emission. the whole time we were up there it was super rainy and cloudy except for like a day so I don't know how the how the how that would work with the solar power

but are they going to do that with their airplanes too I'm curious is it just the boats or I don't know how some of those towns live those towns villages I don't know how some I don't know how some of those villages, unless it's the tourism coming in from. And I am not a cruise person.

So it's the first ever large boat I've ever been on. And I'm still not used to it. But I don't know what, because some of the ways you could only get there easily to access some of these villages are literally by boat. So are they going to do this with their planes to? Are they going to have like zero, zero emission planes? Would you want to be on like a hydro powered or solar powered plane? Redacted, no.

No, thank you. Ghaly, I don't want to be on anything like that. No. And those choppy seas? No. Seas are always angry over there. Oh, the sea was giving us a giant middle finger at one point. I watched it.

I looked out the window and like the water came up and it, it was pretty, man, I'm telling you, it was pretty, pretty wild. So I don't know what that, they're all obsessed with zero emission. There's a lot of modernity. I hate modernity. I've seen a couple of news articles occur or published in the past week that talk about a return to like maximalism, which just, I mean, I don't like the modernity because I think it's insufferably bougie and pretentious. And I also think modern architecture looks like garbage and everything ends up looking like borderlands in 10 years. It all looks like trash.

There's one thing where when we were in Amsterdam, the modern architecture was killing my soul. It was killing my soul cane. Part of it was rotting and withering away because it was exposed to modern architecture. And I'm like a vampire to sunlight with some of that stuff. I just, I can't. I can't handle it. So, yeah, I, that was the only, those are my only criticisms, if I had to say. Anyway, the, but it was, it was a very, it was a fascinating, fascinating experience, very fascinating experience.

And we were there with Kevin Sorbo, who's also really tall, but was only rendered average over there. It was pretty interesting to see Hercules humbled because he's like a thousand feet tall also. He's just a large, large man. He's very tall. And like him and all of his kids are tall, et cetera. So here's something interesting. One of their kids, they were at a buffet in Amsterdam and they were going to get eggs and somebody complained at the buffet that they didn't want non-halal offerings on the buffet. so they had to shut it down and make it vegetarian. I would literally chop someone's head off for that. Like, oh, you think your ideology is bad?

If I don't get protein in the morning, I get head chopping hangary. That's what happens. Like, I will immediately, you know, Hassan chop your head off because I didn't get my protein. That's exactly what would happen. I would, I mean, and I am not even joking. I actually would be very forthright like that. Who gets to dictate that stuff? Wait, and can we just be real?

The only reason that a lot of the Islamism stuff that anybody even pays attention to their threats is because other Islamists have chopped people's heads off. I mean, how many heads got a roll before people start? I don't know, I'm just saying. Great question. What would you do if you were at a buffet and someone's like, oh, no, sir, there was a complaint.

This is not halal. If I was also head chopping, hangary like you? Yeah, oh, man, I get, yeah. I'd probably do some head chopping. My husband basically just has to throw bacon at me and run away just to save himself when I get hangary in the morning. Then I calm down. It's like, you know how if you feed gizmo after midnight he turns into a gremlin? Okay, so the opposite is true with me in the morning.

I wake up a gremlin. And then after I get protein, I turn into gizmo. So it's anyway, I would not have tolerated that. I don't think. I don't think that would have worked well. But, yeah, it was a very interesting experience. It was a very goth trip because the weather was pretty got. Do you get to bring any exotic food home with you?

I tried to, no, I wanted to bring whale meat. What? But you can't. What? Wait, you can't? It's the meat of a whale. Right. It had blubber on it, right?

You can reduce that down. Well, it's like sliced, you know. I'm curious. So you weren't able to bring it? No. Because they don't allow it. There's certain things. And I get it, you know, agriculture.

I mean, we don't. really you can bring reindeer meat apparently but you can't bring whale meat I don't know why is it I mean I'm not going to go up there and tell the nords what to do but you know I don't know it is I guess it's is it I don't know for the end they was whale meat that's all I know and they had it at a troll shop good eating I guess yeah but I did have the brown cheese I was trying to look for some weird fish but it was very difficult to find some authentic nor because I like I don't do excursions and I don't like tours I like to I'm really nuts about this stuff and So I will research the area and we were going into all these very interesting places.

But I felt like a lot of people thought, oh, we're the only us Nordic people like the weird fish. So we want to make sure that, you know, Americans or Europeans can come in and eat stuff. So I feel like it was really hard to find even some kind of odd fish to say nothing of like the weird fish meals. I wanted something that they had to go into a pit in the backyard and dig up and then, you know, shake the dirt out of it before they slapped it on a plate. I mean, I've seen some of these cooking shows. I know how it happens. Just saying. Like, what is it, Lutfisk?

And then someone said, Summers, murmuring, I don't know. There's a fish that has like three M's in it. I don't know. It's like a dish and some G's. I don't know. It's just very, very fun, fascinating trip. All right, so you can see pictures of it up.

I took some amazing photos. It almost made, I feel like Ansel Adams. When you're in a place like that, every photo you take is going to be great. Every photo. And there was no trash in the smaller villages that we went into. Everything was so clean. And it just,

it looked like a Hobbit Village. It looked like the Shire or Rivendell. But I took some pictures up that if you are a subscriber over at Substack, you can go and see some of those photos. And it includes some of the ones of our panel as well when we were there for the MRC event. So coming up, we've, my friend Ben Shapiro, you know, he's on a book promotion tour. That's always tough whenever you have a book out and you've got to go and you're doing all these shows. I've known him for a while, but you're doing,

you know, you kind of lose track of how many things that you have to do. We've got a lot to discuss with him. It's been a while since he's been on, but he'll be coming up with us after headlines. And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five. You know how sometimes you have like emergency alerts that go off on your phone? Well, the Brits have the same things that happened to them, obviously, and they had one that happened. The whole nation, yesterday, or Sunday, they had 87 million phones that apparently all gave them a jump scare. Hey, that's a lot.

That's like a big thing, and it was something that was, it was an emergency alert that was erroneously sent. How do you, like, erroneously send those things to 87 million? Seems like a lot. Let's see. A Pennsylvania couple saves the world's oldest drive-in. That's nice. drive-ins used to be a thing. There was one, like, in the southern town where my family lived and migraine.

I mean, it still operates. They still, people still go, I mean, you can't. I never thought you can really hear it well, but, you know, whatever. It's an old drive thing. It's a speaker right there. It's kind of neat. There's an aesthetic to it. Let's see.

A Copperhead bit a kid at daycare. 911 wasn't called. And apparently, I don't think that the family was notified either. I guess they just found out later. It was a four-year-old North Carolina boy. his family says a snake bit him at daycare and right in his finger his hand was all swollen

swelled up he was on a playground here a sandbox a worker killed the copperhead after the attack but the daycare never like called the hospital or did anything I mean it was the one of the family members apparently that rushed him to the hospital and emergency services confirmed they did not receive a call

from the daycare apparently the daycare first said it was just a splinter and then they go well maybe it's a broken hand. Even if it was a broken hand, you still wouldn't call 911 with about a kid in your care that seems a little neglecty? Yeah, it's a little neglectful, I would say. The part of a road was shut down due to a defect in the pavement. That's what you call a defect? I feel like that Sebastian Minuscalco joke where the wife is like, I just, it was just a great. you can get some carnivouba wax and buff it out and it's like a giant dent. It's like a hole in the road that can swallow up your car. That's what the defect is.

So we'll just put it like that. They'd have closed the road down and redo it again, just saying. Let's see, London is brought to a standstill because they had their tube strikes that are going to last all week. Their subway strikes, essentially. They said it's starting now and who knows how long it's going to go, but they're expected to last all week. So if you're sightseeing in London right now, that's going to be a bummer for you. Not going to be super fun. Coming up next, my friend Ben Shapiro from Daily Wire, he's going to be joining us.

He's got a new book out Lions and Scavengers. Stick with us. Make some common sense of the crazy headlines with the Dana Show podcast. You're on the go guide for getting up to speed on today's most important stories. Subscribe on YouTube, Apple, or your favorite podcast platform. No one can plausibly claim that a Christian family are in Hamas. Okay, so like what, tell me, you can't claim that they're in Hamas while simultaneously claiming that Hamas is a, you know, group of jihadis. They're Islamic extremists, which they also claim constantly, which I don't, I don't know if that's true, by the way.

It seems more like a political organization, but whatever it is, they're telling us constantly they're Al-Qaeda. So it can't also be true that Christians are a member of Al-Qaeda. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. So then we know they're not in Hamas, so why did they get killed? This was such a bizarre interview. I felt as though I was inebriated, but without any of the benefits of actually having like a glass of wine or a cocktail or anything of that nature. It's really amazing to watch where some people have landed 10 years after you first meet them.

Welcome back to the program, Dana Lash with you. We are at the bottom of this third hour. I wanted to get his reaction to this, and it's just so happens that he was scheduled to come on today when this audio came out. My longtime friend, Ben Shapiro, we used to be colleagues at Breitbart under our late friend Andrew. Breitbart. He, of course, is the founder of the Daily Wire. I think actually his most, perhaps his best accolade is number

one rapper, you know, because he was a rap artist at some point. And I just, you know, I feel like that we need to make a, I thought I was going to see him at the VMAs, you know, when watching that. Ben Shapiro, whose new book? Yeah, don't think he's expecting that one. Lions and Scavengers. The True Story of America is out now.

He joins us now via video. Good to see you, my friend. As always, congrats on the book. I got to get your reaction to the soundbite because I thought, well, who thinks that Hamas might just be a political organization? That's asin. I mean, it is an ideological, a zealous ideology. It's a terrorist entity, Ben. I mean, literally the same day that audio was released, Kamas performed a terrorist attack in Jerusalem that killed six people and also released a video about how to shoot up a bus.

So, yes, they are a terrorist group, as it turns out, designated as such, not just by. Israel, but by the United States, the UK, the rest of the EU, and the Muslim Brotherhood, of which they are an offshoot is designated a terrorist group by pretty much everybody in the Middle East. So, yes, I mean, just technically speaking. The real question, I think, is what the hell is going on with Tucker? I wish I had an answer. I do not. This is the same interview in which he said that you might want to send condolences to the family

of Osama bin Laden. It would just be the nice thing to do. He's releasing a documentary in a couple of days where I suppose he's on Pierce Morgan explaining that he thinks that the Israelis had prior knowledge of 9-11 and then celebrated it happening. So, you know, something is going on that is that is certainly strange with Tucker's foreign policy views. I think some of his domestic policy views are, are kooky. This is, as the president put it, his foreign policy views are beyond kooky at this point. Yeah, I kind of feel like maybe, I don't know, it's just weird to watch his reasoning lately

because you and I, we've known him for a long time and I'm just, I'm just shocked at some of the things that I'm seeing coming from some of the people on the right, which kind of gets into, why in the world is this finding any kind of audience with anybody on the right? Where did this come from? I mean, the idea that there are some people that are arguing, you know, apparently in favor of Hamas for Gaza, I'm just shocked or that are upset that, you know, the Qataris were struck. I mean, for crying out loud, I mean, aiding and abetting Hamas and Hezbollah working with Iran. I wanted to get your thoughts on this. Where does this come from? Why is it now that this is finding? And you know what I'm talking about. There's this, there's an audience, you know, a small group of people. I think on the right that for whom they are really agreeing with this type of rhetoric. So I do think that it's mostly online. I don't think that you see it a lot sort of in your everyday life, but it does bleed over from the online world into the regular world, particular among, you know, young people who spend a lot of time online. I think there's a grievance culture that has arisen on certain parts of the right, kind of the horseshoe theory, right?

And the suggestion is they sort of take a grain of truth and then they warp it into something completely false. that the grain of truth is that white Christian males have been put upon by some of the institutions of the society. And there's truth to that. That was true under Barack Obama. It was certainly true under Joe Biden. And that has now been blown up into the idea that all of the systems are arrayed against the interests of white Christian males. And then once you say that, you kind of enter a grievance-minded politics where all the institutions have to be torn down, who are the big beneficiaries of the system, the people who are the wealthiest, the people who are the most educated, the people who are the most successful. and then you start saying, well, you know, there are a lot of Jews who are very successful and very well educated and internationally. Israel's doing really well. And it must be that there's something nefarious going on. I think that a lot of this theory seems to be connected. I mean, Tucker has had on guests in the past several months who have suggested that the United States took the wrong side in World War II, that actually we should have sided with Hitler in order to fight Stalin. For example, while the Holocaust was going on, he is, he is speculated about the moon landing was real. He has speculated about 9-11. I think a lot of lot of it has to do again with this broader theory that America, something deeply wrong has happened in America since World War II and really since the end of World War II and every aspect

of America that we think of as great, things like free markets or things like, you know, strong presence in the world, that all of that actually is a problem and wrong and we need to rethink that entire thing. And that means that you and I, everybody else is suffering from a sort of weird false consciousness where we've been deceived into believing that we won World War II or we were deceived into believing we defeated the Soviet Union. You know, when you're, I was thinking when you were talking about this, that in some ways, it's, it's kind of like a reverse critical race theory in some respects, where you're going after these pillars of our republic to tear them down for the purpose of what, reshaping it, how. I mean, that's kind of what I, maybe it's the Qatari influencer network. I don't know. I don't know. I always hesitate to say that people are doing it for the money because, you know, maybe they're just doing it for ideological reasons. But the bottom line is that if you spend all day trafficking in conspiracy theories, and there are actual conspiracies in the world, and you can tell them because they have evidence, like things that actually happen, like Russiagate, for example, like the FBI going after the president of the United States, like the manipulation of data during COVID, all that stuff we have evidence for, and we know that it happened because there's evidence of it.

But when you get into conspiracy theorizing about how these kind of shadowy networks, you can never quite name are responsible for unspecified evils. and the only way to do something about it is to listen to me as I guide you through the wayward paths and thickets of conspiracism. Well, number one, it's enervating. I think it's kind of an enervation op. It's a demoralization up. And what that really amounts to in the end is, listen to me because I will debunk all of the world for you. Your life's not going to get better in any way. We won't fix anything.

We'll degrade all of the gains that we've made as terrible. But you will feel as though you have a sort of secret knowledge. And I do think there are a lot of people trafficking in that sort of crap these days. Yeah, and well, the engagement pays. We know that. I mean, there are people who've developed entire personas based on, you know, what you're talking about, like these conspiracy theories and all of this other stuff. This kind of gets into this article I was looking at the divide over Israel goes down to like an age gap. And I mean, you could like say maybe like somewhere the demarcation line might be millennials. I feel like Gen X is so much smarter than all of this. But there is, there is this line at some point. How do we fix this on? the right and get back to a point where everybody used to be on the same page that terrorists are terrorists and terrorists are bad the United States we don't work with them we don't reward them we don't coddle them we we don't make it easy for them how do we get back to that and fix this I mean I think the first argument we need to

make to is people who are young and there really is an age demarcation it really starts you know below the age of 30 people who are very very online yeah I think that the best argument you can make is is any of this making your life better or is your life markedly worse because you're listening to all of this trash you have not improved your life in any way by listening to this stuff. You are dumber. You know fewer things. You're not acting in responsible ways in the world. You're not going out and like pursuing getting married or going to church or making your community better or getting a job or advancing in the world. You're sitting around and complaining that the world is arrayed against you. And maybe if I

just listen to this one extra podcast, I'll find out the secret the world is a raid against me. And that's really a terrible feeling, I think, for a lot of young people. And so the question that I would ask everybody when when people are selling this kind of soap to you is how does it make your life better what decisions are you making that are smarter or better now that you're listening to this trash where do you feel as though your life got better because you now question whether the moon landing was real or whether al-Qaeda actually did 9-11 or is it just that you're entertained by it or you feel it's transgressive in some way if you want a stronger country you should understand one thing fundamentally America is awesome this place is great and that doesn't mean there aren't

flaws with it that we can fix we can fix some of those flaws but the system of America like, you know, free markets and free minds and rule of law and traditional virtue, like these are very, very good things. And if instead we're going to get a bunch of conspiracized crap that has no relation to reality, then the result is going to be probably something that looks more like Bernie Sanders and Zoramamundi than you're willing to admit. And that brings us to the next presidential election for those joining us. We're talking to Ben Shapiro, his latest book, Lions and Scavengers, which I like kind of, I like the word and I like the kind of, I like the concept because it's kind of like have and have knots, but it dives, you know, obviously way deeper into that.

We'll talk about that in a moment. Who do you see as the leader of the Republican Party after Trump is out? Because I, you know, I was talking to some folks at an event over the past week, and I was telling them, I think the biggest threat to the future of the Republican Party is if the party has an inability to move past personality and refocus on issues and why we all do what we do in the first place, can we get, is that something we're going to be able to get past? Because I don't know who can take that place of Trump. I mean, he's like. kind of like a once in a lifetime candidate, love him or hate him. No one is like him.

How do we, how do, what does it look like? If you look in your crystal ball, what do you see in the next election? I mean, I think you asked why this was happening right now. I think the reason is because there's already a battle going on for what comes next after Trump. And there's a conspiratorial wing of the Republican Party that says they actually want to seize away from Trump his own movement. And so that Trump betrayed himself by by attacking Iran, for example, or that Trump has

betrayed himself by siding with Israel against Khamas. Yeah, that part of the movement wants to grab control. This is people like Marjorie Taylor Green, Tucker, some of these folks. And then you have folks who are sort of more libertarian-minded like Elon, right, who are trying to grab control of the movement and move it in that direction. Because Trump is such a huge personality and because he's so famous and he's so kind of gigantic, he's able to contain multitudes within him and then sort of build a coalition underneath him. I don't see anybody on the horizon who's like that.

And so I think that we're going to have to go through a bit of a fight here to determine what ideas lead the coalition. Yeah, I think that everybody's sort of tapping JD Vance on the shoulder as the, as the era parent. And maybe that's true. I mean, just statistically speaking, the vice president is very frequently the next nominee of the party. But the idea that J.D. can somehow just pick up the Trump coalition and then carry it across the finish line. That is almost never true in politics. It was not true for Hillary Clinton about Barack Obama. It was really not true about George H.W. Bush about Ronald Reagan.

It's just every politician has to have their own coalition. And there are some uneasy scenes inside, for example, the J.D. Vance coalition between sort of the field libertarians and the Tucker isolationists and and kind of big government's Appalachia types. So it's going to be hard, I think, for the Republican Party to replace somebody like Trump in the same way it's been impossible for the Democrats to replace somebody like Barack Obama, which means, as you say, we're going to need to go back to some first principles and decide what are our actual ideas. It can't just be we don't like the Democrats.

It's got to be like, what are we actually about here? Which brings us to your book, Lions and Scavengers. I think, I mean, it's almost self-exploct. You know, I mean, you do have those two types of thought that kind of built this Republican. You're seeing that that fight play out now, regardless of party. Tell me a little bit about this because, you know, I have not, admittedly, I've not read the book yet. But I love the, I like the title. I love the concept of it. And I think that it, it, it, you're looking to explain this in a way that even mainstream media people can process it because I think that, you know, the Brian Seltzer of the world, they, they don't understand, they don't understand any of this. They don't understand this concept. Why now? Why did this book? I mean, again, I think that the reason that this originally arose is right after October 7th, a month and a half, I was debating at University of Oxford, one of the great historic institutions of the West, obviously. And the security team that I travel with, they told me you're not

allowed to stay in London. It's too dangerous. There's a gigantic prochamas protest there. And so we stayed about an hour outside of London. And then when we went to University of Oxford, it was also extremely fraught. I mean, it's a very close-packed room. There are a lot of people there who really, really don't just dislike Jews. They actually really dislike what. Western civilization were chanting about how terrible America is and all the rest. And I walked out thinking to myself, there is something deeply wrong when the heart of Western civilization has basically been overrun by people who hate the civilization. And when you see people marching on college campuses carrying a variety of banners, right? It can be anything from LGBTQ plus causes to

immigration to global warming, the sort of omni cause. They march under different banners, but it's all the same group of people. Those people have nothing in common. Like, what is queers for Palestine? How are That doesn't make any sense. I mean, in Palestine, they throw queers off buildings, right? I mean, that's what they do? And so what is that about? And the answer is all these people envy and hate the West. And so they see the institutions of the West is threatening to them personally,

and they are able to cobble together a coalition of people who actually really dislike each other in order to tear that down. And so what I'm juxtaposing here is the lions, people who actually are focused on things like building community, innovating, risk-taking, going and building a business, going and building up your church, defending your civilization, as a member of the military, or the police from the people who are largely motivated by envy and a belief that everything is owed to them and they have to provide nothing in return and that therefore any shortcoming in their life is society's fault and you got to rip everything down and and zorn mom donnie is obviously a kind of perfect alpha example of this somebody who's been given literally everything by the united states came here as a child immigrant grew up in a very wealthy family privileged in every way it is possibly be privileged has never held a real job in his life has less of a successful rap career than i do for god's sake and somehow is ending up as the mayor of New York based solely on this idea that he has grievances, that things are unaffordable, and therefore capitalism is bad, and he's going to tax the hell out

of everybody and release all the prisoners, and he's going to have New York State boycott Israel, like all this kind of crap. And so the question is, are we a civilization that wants to stand for our fundamental principles, or do we want to engage in this sort of envious grievance culture? And one of the things I do in the books, I do not juxtapose right and left. I don't think that every lion is on the right, and I don't think every scavenger. is on the left as we've been talking about. I think that there are people who I disagree with about tax rates

who are very much creative, entrepreneurial forces in the world seeking to build things. And there are people with whom I agree about tax rates who are very much in the envious mold and seeking to rip down key pillars of the institutions of the United States in search of some sort of past that never existed. That's very interesting. Kind of like the Elon Musk's and the Jeff Bezos of the world.

Sometimes you can be chaos neutral. Yeah, absolutely. Exactly. This book, I love the back, by the way, I love the back quote that you take from the introduction. Soon, very soon, the scavengers will master the world unless. That's a big word, unless. The book is Lions and Scavengers, the true story of America and her critics. Ben Shapiro, always good to see you, my friend. Wish you all the best, and we'll talk again soon. You too. Thanks so much, Dana. Subscribe to the Dana Show podcast, because who says you can't make fun of people while staying informed on your own personal time?

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