The Dana Show with Dana Loesch - Hunter Loses Secret Service, SpaceX's Rescue Mission, & Tesla Destruction

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

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While we're here, I thought it would be appropriate, we are tomorrow announcing and giving all of the Kennedy files. So people have been waiting for decades for this, and I've instructed my people that are responsible. Lots of different people put together by Tulsi Gabbard. and that's going to be released tomorrow. We have a tremendous amount of paper. You've got a lot of reading. I don't believe we're going to redact anything. I said, just don't redact.

You can't redact. But we're going to be releasing the JFK files. And that would be tomorrow. Do you have anything else to add to that, Carolyn? So that's a big announcement. They've been waiting for that for decades. Then I said during the campaign, I do it, and I'm a man of my word. So tomorrow you have the JFK files.

What time will they be released? Tomorrow's then, okay? Have you seen what's in the files? I've heard about them. It's going to be very interesting. Was there an executive summary to supply to the president? No, I'm not doing summaries. You'll write your own summaries.

It's many pages. Is it 80,000 pages? approximately 80,000 pages. So it's a lot of stuff. And you'll make your own determination. I would like to make my own determination. We were, I mean, I feel like for over the years, we've heard Republicans say they were going to do this.

And it hasn't quite been done. But I, you know, I've, I want to know how many pages are going to be rejected. I'm not quite sure. He says all of it? No, no, no. He says the limit on this redact. So there's going to be a lot that isn't redacted as what he was saying. Like who isn't part of it or I mean, I know there's so much going on right now.

And I sometimes whenever I talk about this stuff, I get pushed back from some folks because they say, there's much more important things to discuss. And I'm not, I'm not arguing with you on that. But I find this absolutely fascinating because it's like finding out whether or not Bigfoot's real. you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, what if POTUS was all, hey, I've got, I got proof of Bigfoot here. And you know you would be all over it. I'm fascinated by this story, especially since you've, I mean, you got a Kennedy in the, it's part of the White House administration.

And it feels like that that's. And he made the announcement at the Kennedy Center. Yeah. See, he's just taken, he's just co-opting all the Kennedy stuff. So welcome to the show. Dana Lash with you. We got a lot that we're dealing with today, including, can I just make a point? I, this wasn't in my first hour, but I, for the rundown, but I wanted to talk about it nonetheless,

the astronauts that are coming back. Can I ask a simple question of everybody? Do you guys remember how important this space stuff was when we were kids? Oh, yeah. So I remember distinctly there being assemblies and, in fact, I think I was in like first grade or whatever when the challenger exploded and we watched it live on television as kids. And it was a big ordeal because we were like, what happened? We didn't understand exactly what happened. We watched, you know, the Challenger spacecraft explode on television. And they had, uh, that's what Gen X grew up with guys. Yes, baby Gen X. I don't care. Gen X is none the same. That's what we grew up with. We were pretty hardcore. And we all just

went back to class and, you know, nobody talked about it until we got home and our parents had to explain. Like, yeah, that's exactly what happened, what you saw. I just, you know, but we, my whole point in bringing this up is that we, we, used to have, I mean, it was broadcasts like on the nightly news. It was carried live, like all across the every network. They all carried it live because it's a big deal, right? Space travel, all of this is a major deal. This is a huge, a huge victory, not just for the United States. You know, we're bringing these people back and bringing them back safely. But this is a huge thing for private enterprise. Would you agree with that? I think it's a big,

thing for private enterprise. I think it's a big thing for private enterprise to have something like this to have this like success story. And I know that they come back, the astronauts that have been up there, they were supposed to be up there for eight days. And then they ended up there for like nine months. And I was reading all of these, we'll talk more about it. I was reading the story of what their crazy rehab is going to be like and it's just going to be really tough, et cetera, et cetera. But it's an amazing story. And I don't know why the press isn't interested in it. Because they like ratings, right? I think this is a ratings getter. Now, I know why Biden didn't like it. Biden didn't like them because Biden didn't like them because he doesn't like any kind of private enterprise. I believe that.

I absolutely believe that that was all political. The reason that Biden didn't want to bring it, bring them home at that particular point. I know it's like at this point speculation, but I mean, guys, look at everything else that he's done in his term. Do you still think it's speculation? I mean, seriously. I mean, this is the guy who, I mean, he's, there's, we'll get into some of it today. But it's a, it's an ordeal. So I'm, I don't know, I'm very, I'm excited to see the cap. I'm excited to see them come back. I'm excited to see, uh, what the story, what the stories, what are they going to talk? Because they, they have a press conference later today. Are they going to even be able to stand and talk? because I was reading about

one astronaut was saying he was talking about all of the crazy stuff that they're going to have to go through with regard to rehab and it's going to be like six weeks of brutal rehab. So we're going to come back to this because I'm fascinated with it. Audio soundbite 1.

This is our next. I want to touch on this. Listen to this. This is crazy. Trump found that he says that the Secret Service detail, Hunter Biden has the Secret Service detail in South Africa.

Listen to this. I would say if there are 18 with Hunter Biden, that will be something I'll look at this afternoon. Okay? I just heard about it for the first time. So you have 18 Secret Service going. Where is he? In South Africa. In South Africa, you know, is on a watch list.

You know that. Because what they're doing to people is brutal. And I've stopped having money go to South Africa. You know that. Billions of dollars. So he's in South Africa. Africa. That's very interesting. All right. I'm going to take a look at that. Thank you, so why does he have a detail in South Africa? Why does Hunter Biden have a detail in South Africa?

Well, why is he in? I, did they say like where? Where he is at specifically? Because you know, so DRC while a separate entity, you know, is in the area nearby. And he's in, and in, you know, with his Seneca Rosemont firm, they actually helped China acquire all of this cobalt. Guys remember that story. It was a huge story. And I'm just wondering if he's doing business like more of the same there. Their gravy train for whatever, their gravy train's gone. I mean, you guys, he's broke.

He's too broke to continue defending himself. His argument is that the court cases should be dropped because he's too broke to defend himself. Not because there's an absent of evidence, just because he's broke. The guy who was fleecing people through his dad's office, right? And then he was surprised that nobody wanted to buy his little spit paintings anymore. It's crazy because like the moment his dad left office, nobody wanted his work anymore. Wild, isn't it? Nobody wanted it. Not valuable anymore. You don't think it was, was it artistic? Would you hang it in your house?

Would you tell your guest, Hunter Biden spit his saliva was on? this. No. I wouldn't spend any money on it. I bet it's like hazardous to your health to spend, you know, considering. He's like a cocaine factory, like a Hoover for like blow. It's true. So, we don't

know what he's doing there, but they had crazy amounts. I mean, he and Ashley Biden, the two drug addict kids that they got, they both were apparently receiving Secret Service detail. Now you remember his house that he had when he was in Malibu. He was in

Venice Beach because I have friends who live in Venice Beach. They're like the only conservatives in Venice Beach, I think. But God loved them. They try. Not telling you their name. But they, he lived like right around the corner from them. And he rented this house. And they were always like they, they didn't understand why he was renting this house there in Venice Beach because he had no real reason to be there. I think it's just where they thought the money went. And Ashley Biden, as you know, she used the FBI to go and fetch her diary after she left it in the mattress of a literal flop house. Like it was a drug flop house. And it had all that stuff in it. And then they denied that it was hers. And then they sent the FBI to raid people and get it. So when Hunter Biden was in Malibu, when he left in his

speech and went to Malibu, he leased to that. It was like $16,000 a month or something crazy. I think it was crazier than that. And the house next door for secret service. Taxpayers paid to lease that house next door for secret service. Again, he didn't need to live there. He just wanted to live there because he thought that's where all the moneyed people live, right? So then it gets burned down on the wildfires. He can't afford to litigate. His sugar daddy's broke because his sugar daddy basically boosted his art career and paid all of his legal fees.

That was the guy that was seen hitting the bong on the apartment of a Miami skyrise. And then, or maybe it was in L.A., and then now he's too broke to continue defending himself. That's not my problem. So why the hell is he in South Africa? Why are we paying for this drug addict's secret service? Do you realize the hazardous positions that we put our secret service in by telling them to go and protect these drug addicts? I mean, you guys heard the story, right, of Hunter Biden speeding in a car down a desert highway,

high as a kite with his brother Beau's security badge in the car? I mean, I know everybody heard it. And then he like wrecked it and abandoned it. Or what about the time that he threw the gun in the trash can and legit Secret Service and FBI had to intervene? And Secret Service had to withdraw. They had to retrieve the gun from the trash can. It was literally thrown in a trash can across the street from a school.

So who's going to go fetch Hunter Biden's going to? gone out of trash cans if they don't have secret service protection. Who's going to go and fetch Ashley Biden's drug diary in a flop house? I mean, they treated their secret service like babysitters. Joe Biden having secret service for his kids. Those were his kids babysitters. Grown ass kids. They're older than I am. Grown kids that need babysitters for secret service. It's just wild. So Trump said, no, we're done. He blasted Biden's son for going to South Africa and taking his detail. Now his wife is originally from South Africa. Maybe you could say they're visiting family.

I don't know. Do you really think they are? I don't know. I've got a lot of questions whenever it had concerns with Hunter Biden. At least Ashley Biden is working now. She's working in Philly and living in Philly. And so Hunter Biden, he's staying at a beachfront villa. Would you expect anything less? It's $100 or no, it's $500 a night. His beachfront villa is $500 a night.

So the tax, the taxpayer could pay up to actually over half a million dollars. Actually, yeah, over half a million dollars. Because the detail, his detail has 18 agents. So do the math. You're looking at over half a million dollars annually for that. And the Secret Service is stretched so thin right now. So they, and Trump extended, I get Trump having. secret service for his kids because he's in the White House.

So I don't know. This isn't unusual for this to happen, but Trump also removes secret service protection for John Bolton and Fauci. So I'm just curious, like, what is he doing there? I think that when you have secret service protection, when the taxpayers paying for your protection, you don't get the luxury privacy. So whenever you do something, I want to know what you do because I'm paying for your drug adult ass and so is everyone else here.

We want to know what you're doing. We got a lot more to hit because in addition to this, we're going to, I want to, we've got to talk about the space, the returning astronauts. I think this is fascinating. Can we talk about a miss? Doug Bergam, they want to expand quote unquote affordable housing onto federal land. Now, not all federally owned land is a public park, but we don't need section eight housing all over all federal land because that's essentially what they're talking about. We're going to come to this. This is a stupid proposal from Doug Bergram. I don't understand what he's doing. Did he, he, he, I mean, it's a progressive Democrat proposal that is not what we voted for. So we're going to talk about that. We're also going to get into. We've got headlines coming up. We've got law and order. Oh, man, we've got a few things.

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So Gavin Newsom's favorability has plummeted after the governor was accused of pandering. I find this also interesting, but very on brand for Democrats because the rule is that you can't find common ground with anyone. That's not what he's doing here. He's using the right to rehabilitate himself. So don't be fooled. But the left looks at anything like this, any kind of finding common ground or being courteous at all to the other side is a betrified. trail. So now he's found himself, and it said

Sordidamacles, you know? I mean, he's found himself now in this position of having really bad polling because of it. It's fascinating to me. Also, a French politician, we're going to talk more about this, says that they want the Statue of Liberty back.

Okay, well, you can just give us back all of the lives that we lost liberating your country, including members of our own family here at Lash HQ. who suffered horrific wounds liberating your country. So it's the moment that you can compensate all of us for that, then you can have your damn statue back.

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to send the statute of living back to France? Absolutely not. And my advice to that unnamed, low-level French politician would be to remind them that it's only because of the United States of America that the French are not speaking German right now. So they should be very grateful to our great country. She's not wrong, and that's not an ignorant answer, first and foremost.

Welcome back to the program, Dana Lash with you. It is absolutely not an ignorant answer at all. That's Caroline Levitt, who, I like the way that she's handling the press lately because she smiles when she does it. I love the women who have the mom attitude at the podium for press secretary. I love it. I love the women who've got that mom attitude. There's something of, and I think you can tell the difference too.

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it was like that. That's the kind of stuff. I remember some of the questions he got here. Like, what in the world is wrong with you? But I think people are like, she's a mom, she'll beat us. She's going to get a flip-flop and beat us to death if we, and I probably, she probably does. She probably does. She's got like a wooden spoon and a flip-flop under the podium. Oh, for those of, do you know there's some people who never been spanked by wooden spoon? What? In our age group? Yeah. That makes no sense. I don't. I'm still to this day when I reach for a wooden spoon. I wince.

I'm like, wooden spoon getting like, when you're running away and all your mom can do is just hit your calves, that's the worst pain ever. I'm pretty sure it's exactly like being shot. Anyway. So they said they want the Statue of Liberty back. They want it back. and they said one of the French parliament members I think this is what 17 they were saying that well the guy said that apparently you despise

it listen to this this is with a translator first give us back the statue of liberty we gave it to you as a gift but apparently you despise it so it will be fine here with us so we don't share your values because we believe in an orderly

what orderly entry to the United States as it pertain to immigration. Gosh, they just never stop surrendering. Right? The French, they just don't ever stop surrendering with us, at least this parliamentarian. Are we back to freedom fries? Dude, we're so back to freedom fries. I've never left freedom fries. I don't care how hokey it was. There was something about it that made me want to say it more when people cringed. I just wanted to lean into it. So they want, so he, and I want to be careful, it's not all of France. It's that doucheer and like who else like a couple of other of his friends right my problem with this is that

first off just because we don't want to emulate your lawlessness and disorder and welcome every tom dick and mohammed into the country and without checking everybody's IDs i mean for the love what i what fascinates me is that if you try to do this in france and you're from the united states or Canada or they get really upset with you over it. But everybody, there's like a different, it's a weird double standard that they have there. But you go to, and I mentioned this a million times because I feel like maybe people think that some of these other countries have no immigration laws, which they clearly do. They are infinitely stricter than what we have here in the United States. And so because we don't want to emulate France and we don't want to let lawlessness and disorder

run rampant, we would just appreciate people. being who they say they are when they enter, not come in as rapists and murderers and just, you know, or members of Trennairagua or MS-13 or anything else. And we just want them to, you know, be who they say they are and come in lawfully. You know, that makes us bad and we should give the Statue of Liberty back. Maybe they could give, what is it?

I think it's like something like 120-something thousand people who are buried. I mean, we have a whole, I love the people up in Normandy. We have like whole cemeteries of American soldiers in Normandy. Those were lives that were given to liberate that country. My husband's grandfather was blown up in France and nearly lost his life. And he was disabled for the rest of his life because he was in France fighting on behalf of the Allies and freeing, liberating France. And I feel like this official who's speaking out about this is actually betraying the real true feelings of French people. If you've ever seen any of the World War II stuff when they go to Normandy and the people, they fly American flags and they, they, you know, thank Americans and they honor the remaining living World War II veterans that go into the country and that are there to, you know, every year to honor D-Day.

They celebrate them. And I feel like this guy doesn't have his finger on the pulse of what his, you know, countrymen actually believe in what they want. but don't sit here and talk about giving the statue back because you can't give us the lives back that we spent liberating your country. You can't give us the toil and the blood and the treasure that we spent liberating your country

and we did it for an ideal, an ideal that France no longer shares. So this isn't really a conversation about giving back this statue of liberty. This is a conversation of exactly what Leavitt said. They'd be speaking German if it wasn't for Americans and the Brits and the Canadians coming in

and liberating that country. So maybe they should be a little more grateful and a little less surrender. and STFU, that would do all of us a world of good, right? Good heavens. Okay, so one of the things that, what time is that press conference for the, I'm fascinated by this story, the astronaut story. All my sourcing online said it's already happened.

No, they're not even supposed to touch down to like five Eastern. So yeah, I'm looking. To come back in. I saw a YouTube link. I think we can't use YouTube. So I'll try and continue to find it. I want to contrast something for you guys. So we have this, on one hand, you have this amazing story of these astronauts, right, that were that were stranded up in space. And then there's all of the discussion around it about what Biden did or didn't do as it pertained to these astronauts and getting them home. Like there's a lot of discussion as to them being, you know, they were left up there because it was politically inconvenient for Biden to try to do it, etc. I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I,

I wouldn't be shocked if that's the case, honestly. I think this is such a huge story. It should be getting wall-to-wall coverage. I feel like there's only one network and maybe like, you know, some socials that are actually covering it properly. It is a huge thing for the United States because under Obama, remember, we had to hitch rides on Russian rockets to get up to the ISS, right? Now we have a private entity that's bringing them back after the government effort failed. That's such an amazing story. And I think that there's a purpose in downplaying it.

So on one hand, you have two astronauts that are legit being brought home by SpaceX as we speak. It's amazing. So you have this story. And then you have this story. And I'm sure you've seen this. And this is, I was going to talk about this in third hour, but no, here we go. You have this story of the Tesla fires. Every single day, I am now seeing a story of,

Tesla's being keyed or dealerships being attacked, arson, all of this. In fact, in Vegas, in Vegas, Larry was the one who first tipped us off to this, like right as it broke. Multiple cars were set on fire this morning, early this morning, like 2.45 a.m. At the Tesla collision center. And they said that it looked as though, you know, initial information, showed that an individual had set several vehicles on fire in the parking lot and caused significant damage to the property. They haven't discussed any other thing. They had a briefing just to give out some basic information.

There have been in Oregon, Washington State, Nevada. You had multiple Tesla vehicles dealerships that have been targeted. And with fires. And then in addition to that, there have been people now who have been posting video to social media as they come back to their car or them going to their car because they see someone keying it. And it's always some leftist that hates Musk. How many examples?

There's like four different stories of this. And like the first, you know, the first time I saw it reported, I was like, okay, what, it's one person. That's, you know, lame. It's the left for you. But it's like more and more this is what we're seeing.

And this demonization of this company didn't just recently start. It's been, I mean, they've actively been doing this since Biden assumed office. Because Musk is a legal immigrant who came to the United States. And I think he obtained citizenship and is created these companies, and has been generating wealth with creating jobs, solving problems. The thing that the left does is that the left does is that the government is, they criticize him for getting government contracts.

Like they were criticizing him for this contract going up to space. And it's like, what other company could have done this? And apparently the price was so low, Musk had said, if there is, if you can find me a company that does this and has with all the equipment and all of the people doing it at a lower cost, I will lower mine to that. There's like hardly, there's like what a handful in the entire world if that that could even attempt to do this. So yeah, you get a government contract.

It's a private public partnership. And right now we're watching it pay off in part by bringing these astronauts home. And I feel like some people, you know, there's a difference between getting entirely subsidized like Cilindra and then having federal contracts. There's a huge difference here. Wouldn't you agree, Kane? A major difference. So they really, I think they hate him so bad because he is the living embodiment of all of the ideals that they hate. that they try to convince people if you support these things, it's not going to be successful.

Think about it. The left tells women that they are not strong enough to have children and raise them on their own, so you better choose abortion. They tell men it's okay to not embrace fidelity or responsibility and to leave women high and dry if you get them pregnant during recreational, you know, devil may care intercourse. They replace the father and the family figure. They've run down family. They've run down the building block of this republic. They run down private enterprise. They run down auto dietism. They run down quite literally everything. Anything that is a threat to full government control or hive mind thinking, they run it down,

they attack it, they smear it. They want guilt by association, whatever trick they can pull to drive people away from these ideals. The idea very ideals that shape this republic, by the way. And I think that's why they hate him so much. because it's really hard to trash talk that when you have this living, breathing example of its success on camera every day, in the headlines every day, in front of people every day. That's a trick of populism too. You have to be in front of people every day that helps to drive the tactic of populism because remember populism itself isn't a principle. It's a tactic of messaging. And so he's such a threat to their hive mind and their total government control. He's such a threat. And I think that's, I think that's in part what's driving all of this. It is, it's a truly amazing thing to watch to see these two things. These two stories coexisting right now side by side.

The domestic terrorism against Tesla and Musk, who is zealously targeted by the previous administration. And then counter that with they're in the news also because they're bringing these astronauts back that have been stranded for nine months aboard ISS. I mean, only in America can you have these two narratives coexisting simultaneously, right? We have a lot more on the way to get into, including this ridiculous proposal by Doug Bergram. All-Family Pharmacy is a great place to go to get all the medications that you need, and you can save yourself time and money. You don't have to play by Farmers' rules. You don't have to play by the systems rules. That's one of the reasons I trust All-Family Pharmacy. This is one of the things that we always criticized during COVID is that the government dismissed any and all alternatives because it was never about science.

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Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of the United States. It's not just that Trump is corrupt. It's that everyone participating in this is corrupt. Elon is corrupt. Jeff Bezos is corrupt. Mark Zuckerberg is corrupt. participating in this scheme that we all know everyone's just trying to look the other way because who really cares, right? And it's this idea of cynicism. It's this idea that no one cares about fairness anyway. No one cares about the rules anyway. So who cares if we break them? But at the end of the day, once again, who suffers? It's the eight-year-old kids with devastating autism diagnoses. It's the parents, the public librarian who had to run his own company. He hates kids with autism. Wow, what a bad guy. If you run your own company, why do you hate autistic kids?

Why it came? It's not fair. No, that's what the great soothsayer. Vesta AOC said. Wait, so all these people are corrupt because they were looking at the corruption in our government's spending? Yeah. See, it's not corrupt to be corrupt. It's corrupt to point out the corruption.

Oh. Gosh, when did that happen? happen. What did that start? That whole trend. Oh, it's like a, it's like a Plato's saying or something. Because it's like you're literally killing the messenger. I mean, yeah. But no. I love trying to get into her head because it's dizzying. It's dizzying. So because Elon Musk wants to cut waste and fraud, damn them kids, right? That's what it is. That doesn't make any sense. You know what's crazy, just going to wager, you know, an idea here. What's really crazy is that if maybe the government spent a little less, left people alone a little more, and we had more of our own capital that

we generated to do things with, I don't know, maybe parents would find it more affordable to help their children. What? No. What? Oh, no. What? Oh, no. feels like that's the case, Cain. It always comes back to challenging government bad, being a government stooge good. You know, I don't know. We'll see. But she's, I've just always fascinated.

What does she know? Her experience in the private sector is bartending. I mean, I'm not knocking bartending. You can make good money bartending. And, you know, good bartenders, you know, they are to be revered. You know, we don't play. It's the Irish coming out. But this.

This is, that's not a skill set. How much you want, I don't know. I'm so tired of, they're going, he's like, they're trying to make him the avatar for everything that they hate about capitalism. I really don't think they know what capitalism is, though. We're going to talk about this more. We got a lot coming up in our second hour. My friend Josh Hammer, he's got a new book out.

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I made my money all buy my money. How dare your government take my money for me. I don't want to pay taxes or I built my company with my bare hands. How dare your government tell me how I should treat my customers, my the land and water that I own or my employees. They hate government. Government's a barrier to people. The barrier to stop them from doing things. They want to destroy it. We are not letting them do it and we're united. Okay. Good. So you're for big government. That's, Wow, I mean, that's like an ad. Why don't the GOP use that as an ad? Welcome back to the show. Dana Lash with you. We're at the top of the second hour.

You can listen coast to coast to chats at Rumble, where we're streaming. If you can listen to restarily, you can also find us, Channel 347, Direct TV, YouTube, me, Facebook, X, we're over at X. He was, they're raging at Musk. And by the way, I wanted it, did you know, Kane? This is going to be interesting to you. They caught a dude on camera. a Tesla at the Dallas airport.

They've actually caught several people doing that. This is at the Dallas. It's the airport I fly out of. Yeah, me too. All I'm going to say is if I ever caught anybody, I don't have a Tesla because I have a thing with EVs. Not because I don't like Tesla. It's just EVs in general.

I love gas guzzling vehicles. I love gas. Yay. But if I found someone key in my car, God help that person. It will require an archangeloans. to come down and restrain me. I mean, you know, there's, this is all I'm going to say.

It's all I'm going to say. I would lose my mind on somebody. It would be like, what's the guy's name from Walking Dead with a bat covered in barbed wire. I stopped watching it if they killed Carl because it was just against canon. Negan? Negan, that's right. I'd be like Negan with Lucille. It'd be crazy.

We'd be at the ball game in the park. lot. So, you know, that is if I wasn't armed. So I'm just saying, which I always am, but why do, why are people like this? And of course they said they got, they're always these like ugly leftists too. So they've got these people at Dallas, like this one guy, Keene, a car. And of course he's this like this, you know, absolute total doucher. He's totally progressive. He's exactly the type of dude that you would think, you know, he's going to key a car, comes by, and he walks by the car, totally keys it. And the century thing, that's like the little secure, I do like that, the little security coverage for the car captured him, face and everything doing it,

walks by, how pathetic is your life that you're so weak and beta and unable to articulate a legitimate defense of your belief system that you just, us throw all that to the wind and you decide king cars is the acceptable substitute for intellectual discourse how i i mean that's the left in a nutshell but this guy and it's not i mean do they not realize that these cars have cameras that they're equipped with cameras security cameras that capture all this stuff dude this guy's in so much trouble there's lots of crimes here i mean what happened if there would have been somebody sitting in the car i i mean i'm just What would happen?

So this, yeah, this was just literally a day ago. And it was Sunday at the Dallas airport, or two days ago. And there's video, they release, the people release the video footage. The guy, Jeff Nygan is the car owner. And it shows this guy in this, you know, slubby looking dude in an unbuttoned, sloppy looking plaid shirt. He looks disheveled in his sloppy pants. I'm just so mean right now. seeing these people. I need to go in a whole fashion rant. When Juan shows you the video, you're going to be like,

she's right, though. This guy clearly is single because no self-respecting woman would let her man out of the house looking like this. There's no way. That's part of your job, ladies. You don't let your man go out looking like this. Oh my gosh. You need to haircut, everything. Anyway, so it comes out and it was at DFW Terminal A17. That's the real nice terminal, too. A is the one that they just redid. And they got a real nice parking garage. You know, it's real easy to park because they got the lights that come on and let you know if there's free spaces. And so all of the Teslas, they have cameras that are all over the outside of the vehicle. And so that's when you park, you can turn the cameras on. You can monitor your vehicle, you know, remotely, like literally anywhere. In fact, like some people, they can be, you know,

across the country and they can monitor their vehicle from across the country, like hundreds of miles away. And that's actually standard. It's not a, it's not a perk. I sound like an ad now. But it's actually standard package on Tesla's. I didn't know that. They come with all of them. Oh my gosh. I mean, he's an older dude. He is an older dude who did this and keyed this person's car. And I guess they just didn't think that they would be caught. Juan's showing you on the simulcast now. And there he goes, keying the vehicle. right there. Just walks right by it. And I think, I love that he thinks he's like doing this so surreptitiously. And the cameras, I mean, he walks right to the camera. Walks right to it.

It's me. So they're going to go. And they're, they're after this guy. The internet's already got a hold of him. They're going to make him famous. I think that there needs to be serious repercussions for this. I think this is domestic terrorism. It's not just keen a car. It's, it is a pattern of going after Tesla's and particularly using Tesla as an avatar or some sort of representation universally of an ideology and targeting that ideology and they want people to be scared to drive Teslas. I don't, again, I don't own an EV, but these people are going to push me to get one. So this is what I would do. So I would have sidebar. I would have if I would do, I want to do this on my own rig right now, but I don't understand how to do it.

husband said no and I don't know enough about mechanical engineering to do it myself yet your own century mode oh no not just that I want both of the doors to open and I want 50 cows to come out either side right like total 50 cows yeah good lord too big one eight it's never no I again I'm a maximalist I appreciate tradition of maximalism yay so like the doors could fling open and then like just a rack with a 50 cow on a belt that feeds all the way into the car and you have no idea how long that but you've no clue just out on either side and you know 180 that's what I want on my vehicle I don't need I don't need it for a grocery getter I can put them in the front seat I don't care I didn't even know that's what I want until you just said I know see I'm like coming up with ideas that we all want

like I should be in charge of the ministry of things that I don't want to check ministry of things that we didn't know they needed right can you imagine so somebody keys my car shum shoo I mean, amazing. It'd be like an anime. And it could play like the Transformers. More than meets the eye. As it happened. Anyway, that's what I would have.

So nobody would key my car. And I would apply a sticker to my car. Like warning, this car will blank you up. So you wouldn't start with like bear spray and then move up to like rubber bullets and then 50 cow? No. The warning is the sticker on the car that says touching this car will get you blanked up. Oh. that's it. If you're too stupid, then I'm doing the world of favor.

Right? That's how I'm looking at it. So it is domestic terrorism, though. That's exactly what this is. It is domestic terrorism. This is what the left does. They always devolve into these violent, whinging brats. Juan goes, but wait a minute, I thought that Tesla owners were left leaning, right? Remember, like, was it 10 years ago? Two years ago. Two years ago. Everyone, they used it as a weight of virtue signal. they and they got CB1 apped. Think about it. So they all bought these electric vehicles.

Like I love virtue signaling about my socialist tendencies. Look at me. I'm driving a Tesla. It means I'm a socialist. I love government. Beep, beep, be, but do. And they're very excited about it. And then all of a sudden, Elon Musk comes out MAGA.

And now they've got this giant representation of MAGA that they're forced to drive. Oh my gosh. Just savor the moment. moment for a minute. But they got CB1 app. It's like all the people that downloaded the CB1 app that came in the country illegally. And now it's a self-deportation app. Tadda! You didn't even have to redownload it. Magic. So they got CB1 app. Can we talk about the band of audible aids that is mad that Trump used their song in a video? Yes, Dana, we can. I don't even want to say this band's name. They're horrible. This band, I am really picky about my music. As you guys know, I am very very

picky about my music. So this band was a holy terror back in the late 90s. Can you remember? They were a terror. They terrorized the airwaves for an inordinate amount of time. That's true. That one song? Yeah, they're a one-hit wonder. It's a 90s band called Semi-Sonic. It is a band composed of flaccid, stringy-haired, one-hit wonders, and whose song is about closing time at the bar. And I'm not playing it because it is audible AIDS and I care about your health. So the White House posted a video showing the 200 or so Trenda Aragua and MS-13 members that boarded two planes before they were being flown back to El Salvador in the dead of Saturday night. And they used that band song closing time.

You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. And they played it. And I'm like, oh, that's funny. You know, that band was, they sucked out loud so hard. Oh, man. It almost like made the earth like go into itself. bad. Anyway, so the band got really excited because they haven't been relevant since 1998. And they got really excited. And they saw this as a great PR opportunity to whine about their music being featured in a video posted on social media by the White House.

And so they, no one said anything. And then Simic got out there, quote, we did not authorize or condone the White House's use of our song closing time in any way. And no, they, didn't ask. The song is about joy and possibilities and hope and they have missed the point entirely. Oh, really? The song, I mean, congratulations on your appropriated snobbery. Your song with your genius lyrics about joy. It's a song about the lights coming up, the tabs closing out, the stool's flipping over, and last call and beer goggles. That's what the song is about. Binger lyrics like closing time. Time for you. to go out to the places you will be from. Oh my gosh, bring, bring, bring. Someone called the Pulitzer committee because these people are going to places from whence they came. What? Amazing. I mean,

we have among us, ladies and gentlemen, an undiscovered bard who has revolutionized rhyme and meter. Perhaps one day they can share the grave with Shakespeare when they shuffle off of this mortal coil. I mean, don't forget the melodramatic chorus of what's his face, McLeague singer, when he braze like a donkey. I know who I want to take me home, 11th, Frillion times. And by the end of the first chorus, everybody was pleading with anybody in the song's bar to please take him for the love of all things, holy home. So he can shut up. Please. This song was a plague to my coming of age phase. It was a terror.

They're domestic terrorists. And it was everywhere. And bars finally did actually take to playing it at closing time because it was a great way to drive everybody out. I don't know. I mean, I suppose you can pretend there's a deeper meaning to the song other than, yo, the bar's closing GTFO, because that's exactly what the song is about.

Like, you know, GTFO out of my bar. You know, that's the whole song. But I don't even think they own the licensing to their song. I think Warner Brothers owns it. They own all the licensing to it. So these guys don't even own their own, you know, their own music. And so many of these groups, they license their stuff through ASCAP BMI. And then they complain about its usage after they cash the checks.

So sorry if we think it's shallow and non-essential. I mean, they could say, uh-huh, we don't endorse Trump's views. But it is closing time for Trenda, Aragua, and MS-13. But instead, they're sad and angry that these violent repeat offending illegal aliens are being sent back to, being sent back to El Salvador or prison. I mean, they're sad, I guess, that they can't freely run our streets. I mean, that's the problem with the left.

Their tribalism is so great, so insane, that they refuse to acknowledge the merit of something that we literally all agreed on a decade ago, right? We all agreed it. It's bad. You can't have like criminal, illegal aliens coming in, rapist or murders. We can't.

But because Trump is in office, no, they can't agree with you anymore. Because Trump. That's not tribalism. It's lunacy. golly, this band. Yeah, it's, I never want to hear this song again. I never want to talk about them again, but they're very excited.

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It's time for Dana's Quick Five. So two Houston area clinic employees were arrested for allegedly providing illegal abortions. They say it represents the first criminal charges under Texas's ban because it was way beyond the, I mean, at that point, it's elective. It's not a medical, it was not a medical abortion. It was an elective after recreational intercourse. So it looks like it's a second degree felony. That comes to the 20 years in prison. And there were three people involved in this.

One was arrested March 8, charged with conspiracy to practice medicine without a license. Oh my gosh. And this one person who was arrested was arrested previously for the same charge, practicing medicine without a license. So this is, that's super sketchy, super sketchy. And again, it's not medical because that's protected. It's completely elective. That's the, it's for convenience, not for medical. Forever 21 is expected to close all U.S. stores.

They're blaming Shine and TEMU for their demise. And isn't for over 21, like a Christian business too? Yeah, they have like John 316 and all their bags and all this stuff. So they're closing. I don't know where a lot of like, you know, some of these like 50-year-old leftist women that I see out there marching in the streets about, you know, whatever are going to get their clothing. I don't know, right? I don't know where they're going to get it. It's not literal ladies.

It's not a literal store name. But I think it was blamed. Those stores are blamed for like fast fashion, which end up in late. So there's a lot of stuff there. And a fisherman lost at sea before Christmas was finally found. I'll talk more about that next headlines. But coming up, Josh Hammer from Newsweek joins us. Our partners that will bring you the program.

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I'm getting a lot of email about that now because the astronaut thing is a huge thing. And I don't know why people aren't celebrating it. It's a big thing. But, you know, we hate autodiatism and individualism and private enterprise and everything else in this country. so. And apparently we have a major problem in this country, particularly on the left, where that's, that's, I feel like there are people trying to create difficulties as it relates to our alliance, a very old alliance, an alliance with the only friend that, real friend that we have in the area with Israel. And there's a book that is out today. I was very,

proud to blurb it for a very good friend of mind. Israel and civilization, the fate of the Jewish nation and the destiny of the West. And it is already a top seller on Amazon. It's like at the top on Amazon. And it's also number one right now in political ideologies and doctrine. So it's already, like in one of, in several of their genres, it's number one already. So this is a hit book. Josh Hammer is the author. And you know Josh. He's been on the program before. He's editor at large over at Newsweek. And he's host of the Josh Hammer Show and Hammer and America on trial with Josh Hammer. He joins us now via Skype. Josh, congratulations on your book.

It must be nice out of the gate to have like a bestseller. Dana, thank you so much for your tremendous support of this project. You wrote an extraordinarily generous blurb here. It's an exciting project. We're hitting the ground running here. Amazon was actually temporarily out of stock of the book literally this morning. But I think as of now, as of this hour, they are back in stock. So it's a very thrilling moment for sure.

I'm just trying to savor the moment, honestly. good. Well, you deserve it. Congratulations. And it's such a timely topic right now, especially with everything going on. You know, the ceasefire being, you know, understandably now being being off because you have one entity in, you know, in Gaza that doesn't want to, doesn't want to follow the rules, doesn't want to, they don't want to be genuine. They don't want to, they don't have no good faith in negotiation. And so now we, we're going to have this narrative that starts all over again. Now that hostilities, we knew that the hostilities weren't going to cease, but now that they've resumed. you one of the things I appreciate about your book is you get in the history of our alliance with Israel.

And I don't think enough people appreciate that this is a very volatile region. Even the entities with which we have friendly relations, I wouldn't necessarily say that they are a tried and true alliance in the way that Israel has shown to be over the many decades. Talk a little bit about this because I find that very unique to the exploration of, you know, everything that's in the news right now and then you couple it with this is the history. This is why we are in this position that we are and why this alliance is so important. Sure. So there are no shortage of voices on the woke left, but unfortunately, Dana, there are now an increasingly loud cacophony of voices, still small but growing in certain pockets of the nominal rights, who are really calling for the U.S. to wind down its relationship for Israel. Frankly, a lot of these people in their more pernicious times are trying really to sever any link between Jews and Christians in general. That really does seem to be the end goal, in my opinion, of some of these provides.

And I thought it was incumbent upon myself to write a book basically saying, no, Jews and Christians actually are in this together. We share an overwhelming biblical inheritance. We are in this together when it comes to these shared enemies that we face, whether it is wokeism, Islamism, or global neoliberalism. And frankly, the United States and the state of Israel when it comes to contemporary geopolitics have to be closely allied as well for the following reasons. Dana, I'm a foreign policy realist. I hear a lot of people saying, oh, Israel, it's an old Bush administration, neo-conservative. position. Dana, I've been criticizing neoconservatism for longer than these people have even known what the word neoconservatism means. I am a hardheaded foreign policy realist, and I have a

whole chapter in this book explaining why foreign policy realism is a perfect fit for U.S. Israel relations. Frankly, it's actually not a very difficult case to make because that's literally what Donald Trump did as president the first time around. The basic argument is essentially as follows. As a realist, Dana, I see China in the Chinese Communist Party and I say, that is America's barren none, end of story, clear number one threat this century, period. No doubt about that. The relevant question then, and this gets to what you were asking, the relevant question is how can America strategically redeploy assets to the Indo-Pacific while making sure that our interests are secured in this very volatile and jihad-ridden part of the globe?

The obvious answer to that question is to embolden our like-minded allies, those allies who have the means, the capability, and the will to secure their interest. in a way that redounds to all of our interests. That's the entire purpose of the Abraham Accords peace deals that Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu orchestrated the first time around when you emboldened Israel to just take care of business in the region. Guess what?

They're taking out jihadis who want to kill Americans too. One very concrete example, and then I'll stop after that. But last summer, Israel for a few months went on kind of a Michael Corleone godfather-s killing spree. And they started, it culminated in many ways in the assassination of Hassan Nasrallah. who was cowardly hiding in his bunker in Beirut Lebanon. But before they got Nazrallah, they took out numerous other top-ranking Hezbollah jihadis

as well. I'll name two of them. One of them was named Fuad Shakur. The other was named Ibrahim Akil. Why do I name Fuad Shakur and Ibrahim Akil? Well, Fuad Shikor and Ibrahim Akil, going back to 1983, were the two Hezbollah jihadists who orchestrated the bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut and the bombing of the U.S. embassy in Beirut in that same year.

The U.S. State Department had a $5 and $7 million bounty. on the respective heads of those two Hezbollahis jihadists for over four decades. Guess who took them out last year? The IDF, Israel. So I hear all the time, Dana, what does the U.S. benefits from the U.S.-Israel relationship? Well, I'll tell you, in very tangible terms, you get a dead Ibrahim Akil, you get a dead Fuad Chakur. And, oh, by the way, you get a dead Hassan Azrallah as well. And you also have chilled actions of terrorists in the region that, as you rightfully pointed out, they hate America.

As much as they hate Israel, Israel is just a lot closer for them to go after. and mess with and Target and carry out, you know, their holy war that we try to look at, you know, at least the left in the United States as being a political thing. We're talking to our friend Josh Hammer, editor at large over at Newsweek, his brand new book, Israel and Civilization, the fate of the Jewish nation and the destiny of the West out today. That's, I find that that partnership mutually beneficial. I cannot for the life of me, understand. And we can talk about the left all day, but I want to address the elephant in the room, too, because there's a, there's a faction on the right. as you pointed out, that's questioning this. And I don't understand their reasoning for doing so. And I have tried to read their arguments. I've tried to understand where they're coming from just because I'm, you know, very logical. I'm, you know, very vulcan in that way. I, you know, I want to understand their perspective and make sense of it. And I can't. I legitimately don't understand the objection. I mean, why would you not want to have an ally that's watching your back on this side of the world while you're also, as you said, we've got to focus on China. We desperately need to and we haven't been.

I mean, we've had war games that have not ended very well in the past several years in the Pacific. I mean, that's gone underreported. What is your best guesstimate as to why within the right there is a faction? Is it just because they, I mean, honestly, and this sounds, I don't want to be myopic, but is this because they don't like Jewish people? What is the problem? So I can identify two strands of within the broader rights that are very skeptical of the Jewish, state of Israel and very skeptical of Jewish people probably in general. The first trend, which I

address in the book, is what I call the Neo-Nitian right, the nihilist. I'm thinking here of certain online synonymous accounts. There's someone called Bronze Age pervert who is trying to basically resuscitate ancient pagan ideals that are very contrary to biblical ideals. I think the Tate's, Andrew and Tristan Tate, are a very clear example of what I'm talking about here, this notion that that brute masculinity and strength and spreading your seed for. as far as you go there. I mean, all this directly anti-biblical, it is antithetical to the sheer Judeo-Christian inheritance. It's coming, frankly, from a pagan place. So I think that's one part of it. The other arguably even more dangerous part to me, Dana, and this, maybe above all is why I wrote

this book, trying to tamp this down and turn back the tide here, is you do have some people who self-professed to be Christians, who claim that they are speaking in the name of their Lord and Savior, who are trying to create a wedge, a deliberate chasm. between the Christians and the Jews. They're trying to basically forsake the original people of the book. They're trying to forsake the Hebrew Bible. And in this book, I painstakingly show that that is not the political philosophy of the American founding. The American founders were deeply, intimately familiar with.

Indeed, they admire the Hebrew Bible. The Liberty Bell in Philadelphia, for goodness sake, literally has Leviticus right on it. You shall proclaim liberty throughout the land unto all the inhabitants thereof. Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin won the national seal of the United States to be Moses partying the Red Sea. Abraham Lincoln famously spoke of Americans as an almost chosen people using that covenant language found in the revival. There's so many more examples. They're all in the book, of course, there.

But I felt it necessary to push back against this there because nothing, nothing good ever happens historically of any society that forsakes the Jews. The anti-Semitism, Dana, as you're well aware, is here, there and everywhere symptomatic of a broader cultural societal and civilizational rod. So I care about turning out the tide on this, not merely for self-interested. reasons as a Jewish-American, I also care about it as an American patriot because I've never ever identified a country ever, literally ever, that has oppressed the Jews and it's actually turned out well for them. So for all these reasons, we have a lot of work to do there, but I'm

hoping that Israel and civilization is a part of a very important conversation helping to turn back the tide against these very pernicious forces. And it's also weird too, Josh, I mean, I was looking at, for instance, some of the actions taken by the United Nations, whenever the U.S. needs a vote, Israel's always there. Israel always has the United States as back when it, when it comes to voting for things, whether it's on the Security Council, et cetera. Even when no one else would stand with the United States, Israel was always a reliable ally, which to me, I'm like, that speaks volumes that a lot of these subsections of the right are ignoring. This, I know that Jewish Americans and Jewish people worldwide have always dealt with varying levels of anti-Semitism,

obviously predicated upon, you know, the times and the location, but it feels like there's an increase. Is there a rise in anti-Semitism in the United States? And how has that affected you in, you know, the past several others? Because I'm honestly, I'm seeing it more and more on social media. So there's absolutely been a rise. There's there can be really no doubt about that. I mean, the polling, frankly, bears this out. I mean, you look at the young generation, for instance.

I mean, who do you side with more Israel or Hamas? it's not always a very pretty polling picture. I mean, more young Americans side with Israel, to be clear, but depending on the poll, it's not always by a lopsided majority. And by the way, I feel a need to remind people, Hamas is literally a U.S. designated foreign terrorist organization. So if you cannot tell the difference between an ally and a foreign terrorist organization, you have officially lost the plot. And, you know, trying to remind Americans of what the plot is, so to speak, again,

is part of this book as well. But, Dana, look, you're a huge gun advocate. I'm a big gun guy as well there. never go to a Jewish event. I never go to a kosher restaurant. I never go to synagogue. I don't do anything Jewish related without my Sigsawr, my knife, and my backup magazine. That's kind of just the world we live in. Now, to be clear, I normally leave my home with my firearm anyway.

So it's not like I'm typically going, you know, but it feels even more purposeful now. Yes, exactly. It seems more necessary. Now, I live in South Florida where, thank God, I don't actually really feel the threat a whole lot on a day-to-day basis. I thank our governor, Rhonda, Sanchez, for just being. a tremendous supporter, a tremendous friend of the Jewish people, Rom DeSantis, much like

you Dana blurbed Israel and civilization. I'm grateful for that as well. So South Florida, I guess Florida in general, seems like it is a bit of an exception rather than the rule. I live in a bit of a bubble. But certainly, I have a lot of family in New York there. It's got a bad. We had a situation in Texas down the road from where we are right now, a synagogue, Beth Israel synagogue, that was targeted. And now they have to have like a whole, I mean, they had someone go in and was, you know, trying to shoot the place up. And now, you know, they are implementing security and there are Jewish organizations all around DFW that are that are doing it as well. I mean, one of our mutual friends of PPUJew has been leading a lot of the training on that.

I mean, in Texas, in Texas, a suburban Dallas. I mean, I think that kind of, you know, to your point goes to show you, I mean, the increase and how much tensions have been rising. It's scary. It's horrific stuff. And by the way, I actually, in one of the later chapters of the book, I actually spend a few thousand words arguing that every Jew has an obligation to purchase firearms, to train with firearms.

and to be a gun-carrying America. I've been passionate about this topic for many years now. And this has been a long time coming. I mean, going back at least as far as the Tree of Life synagogue massacre back in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in 2018. But certainly whatever happened seven, ten years ago, has only accelerated in the aftermath of October 7th. I mean, the aftermath of October 7th in general, Dana, let's just be honest here,

has been nothing short of appalling and disgusting. I mean, we see this slaughter of 1,200 people, the butchering of babies, the raping, the taking hostage there. By the way, also, you know, from an America first real perspective there, dozens and dozens of Americans were slaughtered, raped, taken hostage as well. A point that I've made since October 7th was that October 7th taken on its own terms was the largest American hostage crisis since Tehran back in 1979. Hold aside Israel, just on purely American terms, this is the largest American atrocity in a very, very long time there. But the reaction around the world to October 7th, again, you see this dichotomy between our ally, the holy land, the birthplace of Western civilization, and this foreign terrorist organization,

and elites in academia throughout the corridors of power here across the Atlantic in Europe, they're standing up not in defense of the birthplace of civilization, but of a Islamist medieval death cult? I mean, I'm sorry, what? And really just trying to take us back to a much saner, a much simpler place where we actually didn't have to have some of these debates. I mean, we really should not be debating who is right in Israel versus Hamas. It's disgusting that we're even forced to kind of debate on these terms and trying to get us back to a point where we actually intuitively understand some of these very basic truths. That really is part of what I'm trying to do in Israel's civilization as well. And this book is, like I said, couldn't come at a better time.

And I think there are big factions of the right that need to read. Not big, but there are some factions of the right that desperately need to read this book. I'm happy for him and send it to them because I think it's must read, especially. some of the information that I see out there. And I want to note that it's, it's the left that I know that we've kind of always struggled with to make them understand, you know, the geopolitical issues at play in the Middle East and the importance of Israel as an ally. It's just weird to see a progressive ideology start to flourish within a faction on the right and try to spread that same, that poison, that leftist poison that we have seen for decades, you know, on the left. And that has to be,

that has to be countered with the truth, like the truth that you have in this book. Congratulations, my friend. I would love to have you back. If it wasn't just broadcasting, we could go on for hours with podcasts, I definitely would. Maybe we should.

But the book, Israel and Civilization, the fate of the Jewish nation and the destiny of the West. This is a mustery. Congratulations, my friend. I'm so happy for you. And I'm so happy that this is a bestseller. And I can't wait to see this book

in the hands of so many people. So congrats on this effort. Dana, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for your support for the book. Thank you for your friendship with the Jewish people. You've been an absolute lioness since October 7th and really just truly, God bless you. Oh, God bless you, my friend. Thank you. Appreciate you. We'll talk again soon. Take care. Spring is here and it's the perfect time to refresh your yard with fast-growing trees, the largest

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Yeah, because see, these criminal rapists and all that are just like the Irish back in the 1800s, Kane. Did you know? Same thing. It's the exact same thing. If you, these people are freaking out this badly about taking 200,000. of the most brutal offenders from Trendaaragua and MS-13 and taking them back to El Salvador. If there were mass deportations, what would these people, what would their reactions be? If they're freaking out over the most violent of criminals. By the way, comparing it to the Irish is such an complete display of historical illiteracy.

It is shameful. It is actually shameful. I'm embarrassed for those guys. I was cringing to almost death watching that spectacle of ignorance that they're passing off is the nightly news. That is so historically illiterate. I mean, I just, it's, it's pointless to even address it. But that's how they, that's how they view this. I mean, this is just, it's so, that's just like, you know, it's just like, you know, just like the Irish.

I mean, I was waiting for them to actually put up like a leprechaun with all the Trendaigua tats on his face. You know, I was waiting for it. Like, you know, some like Lucky Charms graffiti or something. I was just waiting. Those two guys, John Dickerson and Maurice Dubois. They were like, oh, I mean, the Irish immigrants who face discrimination comparing them to these two. however much you hate the media, you can't hate them enough.

I mean, they actually went, they call them immigrants. They're literally criminal, illegal alien gang members. They're in a gang. What do they think Trendaaragua is? The hell do they think MS-13 is? Of course, that's their way of trying to

downplay the problem with crime and illegal immigration is by acting like, oh, everybody's just innocent migrants. Innocent migrants. These are like the most, and they're the most violent. And you know the sad thing about this? For all of the talk that the left does about protecting immigrants,

they don't, maybe I don't know if they don't realize that they don't care, that the people most disproportionately affected by these criminal gang members are the Hispanic community. They come in and they target new citizens. They target communities of Hispanic Americans. and they that's those are the people disproportionately affected and that's the thing that these people are facilitating by this. This is nonsense. Absolutely nonsense. Okay. What is happening? And first off, welcome, Dana Lash with you, top of this third hour. We're going to talk about some of the Department of the Interior stuff here coming up. And the chats at Rumble, substack newsletter, lots of

good stuff there. Okay, so what is happening with all of the swatting lately? You guys know what swatting is, correct? This has been happening for quite some time. It actually caused us to reach out and develop a really good ongoing relationship with our police department here so that they could be aware of things. Because I've had a number of friends who've been swatted just in the past. This has been going on for, I would say what, came a decade? Longer. It really started under Obama. And it's always the left that is sending out. So what swatting is, is say your home sleeping at night, middle of the night. And people are banging on your door. And you go downstairs or you go down the hall and you look out the window and there's literally like a whole SWAT team.

Guns drawn out on your porch standing at your doorstep. You let them in and they come in, guns blazing. And it is, and you haven't done anything. Someone called the police and said, oh, there's someone in this house that's killing everybody or there's something that, you know, they allege that it's a life or death situation. And so police are obligated to follow up on it. And this is what happens. This is why it's very important

to have a relationship with law enforcement. And it's happened to quite a few people. And they're all conservatives. And again, this has been going on since the beginning of, since the Obama administration, this is when it really started happening. again, very good friends that might have been swatted, and they're terrified. Their kids are dragged out of bed.

It's a terrifying thing. And for those that have relationships, I've had friends who were swatted who already had a relationship with law enforcement and reached out and said if this happens, and law enforcement do show up, but they call while they're outside and everything is diffused. And that's why it's very important to have these relationships. And you should have this relationship anyway with the people to whom your taxes go. you know, I think it's important anyway. But it's been happening more and more lately.

Juanita Broderick, she was swatted. I think there's video of this. They showed up, is this from her ring? Or is her phone or her ring camera. It's been, forgive me, there's been, this is video of her talking to police that showed up. And, you know, it was very easily diffused. And police were a little, you could tell they were apprehensive when they showed up, but they showed up because someone called them and said that there was a murder happening. at the house. And there's so many of these videos. Some of it is like the doorbell camera footage.

Some of it are people recording. It's like terrifying. And the other thing too, that is a common denominator in these latest ones is apparently I think it's a test to see how close they can get to the house. But they try to have pizzas delivered, whether it's Papa John. or dominoes or pizza hut. So she had like three different occasions. People tried to deliver pizza to her house. The first time she said that she opened the door and someone was, or she went to the door to open it and someone was trying to deliver pizza.

And then it kept happening. And then after like the second time, she got swatted. And there was a reporter who went there and went to the, I guess, I don't know if it was the dominos or pizza hut. And they have like a standing order to not allow orders for her house or deliveries for her house now because it was happening so often. I think that they were trying to see how close they could get to accessing the door. Could you get police theoretically right up there on the porch?

Could you get them? I think they were testing out her property with a pizza delivery. That's my, that's my estimation of it. And so that's just madness. Madness, madness. This has been happening quite a lot. And there was another individual who was swatted and everybody was. was very smart and they were erring on the side of caution had they not been it would have been

death by cop instantaneously and that's what these people are trying to do it is attempted murder it is domestic terrorism where people are using law enforcement as they are hitmen and they are calling in these falsified crimes of life and death and then law enforcement are showing up and guns drawn Now, if you hear someone banging on your door in the middle of the night, what do you do? What do you think of? Or if you, a lot of times people say it sounds like there's something happening downstairs. And as they're waking up, they don't immediately register that it is someone banging on the door. And so what do you do when you hear bumps in the night?

You get your gun. I mean, that's conservatives. They, you know, most everybody, they don't, they're not going to go downstairs and look out the window. or go to the door unarmed at 2.30 in the morning, right? And then, you know, if you open the door and you're armed and cops are out there on their arm, they see a gun. They already got a call in that there's, you know, life or death. That's threatening. If they're, if they're not erring on the side of caution, if they're going to draw down. And thankfully, that has not happened. But with this rounds of swatting, but that's not for the lack of trying by these people who

were doing it. And it's a very, that's why it's always important to have these sorts of relationships. It needs to be classified as terrorism. And I think it should be a, I don't know what the charges. I know they have falsified call. I think it should be a hefty charge. I think it should be a couple of decades in prison to set a deterrence. And then people go, well, what about overcrowding a prisons? I guarantee you that if you have strong deterrence, you're not going to have an overcrowding a prison problem. When you make people so damn scared to go to jail, you're not going to have an overcrowding of prisons problem.

So it's a very, it's a very scary, scary thing. So always reach out and have that relationship with law enforcement. The other thing, too, I'm so grateful to those people who are in law enforcement who, who they listen to their gut instinct. And they're like, something about this is off. And in a lot of these videos, you can see. Now, you'll have some of the guys in the back that are low ready. But then you'll have the cop that goes to the door who still has his firearm holster.

But he's got his hand on it. But in a couple of these videos, there's so many out there, sadly right now, it's like hard to differentiate. But those who err on the side of caution and they're trying to do everything that they can to de-escalate, diffuse the situation. those are good cops because they I understand the argument for the legal requirement of follow-up when you get a call like that. But at the same time, I just know that when we first talked to our law enforcement department and this was years ago and we still maintain conversation with them. They're amazing. They were actually unfamiliar with it. There was only like a couple of people in the department who started hearing about it on the news when it was happening. And

they're like, oh my gosh. And then they really started to look into it. it and they made it like a part of their policy in their department. We had an, I've talked about this briefly before. We had a security incident. Ours was a real one where we had a very dangerous individual who tried to break into our house, a house that we previously lived in and it hadn't been sold yet. And I had Fort Worth police. They, because we talked to our police and they know us and they had reached out and they

said, you know, we're on our way, but we want to make sure you're okay. meaning did you kill the dude? Because I absolutely would. There's not a doubt in my mind. I mean, we've done so much training. It's going to be a matter of seconds. So it's, I love the air to caution. And to have that relationship means you get, and a lot of these people that are in these incidents that do, they've been getting calls from police. Like, we just got this call in, blah, blah, blah. Their gut instinct, they're listening to it. So that's smart. But, you know, people need to have that relationship with law enforcement. There's a piece. up at my sub stack right now. Lorraine has it. It's the latest on Hunter Biden. There's more information

about why he's in South Africa. Apparently, he's staying at a real swinky resort there. I know his wife is like from South Africa and Trump, as you know, pulled their secret service details. I was shocked at how much it was. Holy cow. But he ended the protection details of both of them. And it gets into one of the things that Lorraine talks about. She gets into, you know, the, the, the, the brokenness of Hunter Biden. He can't, you know, he can't defend himself anymore. He's staying, along with Secret Service, $500 a night, luxury beachfront villa in Cape Town. So he's in Cape Town. And everyone's asking, if he's so broke, she asks, who is paying for this pricey vacation in South Africa? If he is so broke, he can't even afford to defend himself in court against these legitimate and

evidence-based charges. Who's paying for this there? Right? How is he affording this? How did he afford the flight there? Flights are not cheap, especially that far. How did he afford those flights? Because, you know, his Sugar Daddy can't afford to pay for anything anymore.

It's up live at Substack right now, so go check it out. Coming up, my friend, Gabriella Hoffman, is going to be joining us. And she's an angler. She's with the IWF Center for Energy and Conservation. She's the director over there. This, our Department of Interior, Doug Bergram, they're coming out with some really, it's a dumb proposal, I think. They want to push and finance affordable housing on federally owned land. We're talking about land that doesn't even have any infrastructure on it.

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And now, all of the news you would probably miss. It's time for Dana's Quick Five. This is actually kind of funny. So some pretty incredible prohibition-era whiskey bottles emerged from the sand. at a Jersey Shore Beach. And it's a one, it was a area that was once ran by a famed bootlegger. Enoch Nucky Johnson. And so this guy was walking by came across this like, you know, all these bottles.

They were laying flat, half buried in the wet sand. Each was filled with the golden liquid with the name Lincoln Inn embossed on the glass. And as it turned out, it was like bottled in 1928. It's 100 years old. It goes back to prohibition. my first thought when I saw this and he took pictures of it in the sand was my mom would totally use it as a soap dispenser

You know, that's like a huge thing on Instagram All these women are taking the liquor bottles and turning out of like my mom would totally make that into a soap dispenser But that's actually pretty cool I wonder how it tastes You know, I'm like, I'm kind of interested in it Let's see, if you're worried about shrug

I'm worried about burglars, plant shrubs in your garden And if you're still worried, maybe make it to where they're like robot shrubs And they can fire at burglars what, and I've heard this before. Like, you're always to have obstacles in front of your property, et cetera, et cetera. I get it. Also, let's see here. I got a couple of others. The largest Lego Cathedral in the world is being built at the National Cathedral in D.C. And an Uber driver was

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Our federal lands are an incredible asset on America's balance sheet, and we've been discussing how we can efficiently and effectively steward these underutilized areas to solve our nation's affordable housing crisis. Well, today we're announcing a partnership between the Department of Interior and the Department of Housing and Urban Development that will unlock federal lands for the benefit of all Americans. And here's a glimpse of what this new agreement will do. HUD will work with DOI to assess the housing needs and areas where federal lands may be available yet underutilized and implement tailored housing programs with guidance from states and locality. Now, first off, this is Secretary Doug Bergam and also Scott Turner.

He's with the U.S. Department of Housing, Urban Development with HUD. I saw this tweet yesterday, and Turner had tweeted out, quote, we need to be. $7 million affordable homes looking at the tweet now in America and 20% of America's landmass is owned by the Department of Interior. Okay, full stop. We get that. That's one of the things that we have talked about with BLM and everything, not burn loop murder, but Bureau of Land Management. That we've talked about for years on the show. There's like, especially out west, there's a crazy amount of land owned by the federal government. I don't think that this is the way to deal with it to open, because it's not an issue of supply. with housing. This isn't a supply issue. Now, we've all followed this issue, but I dare say that we've not followed this issue as closely as my next guest has followed this issue. Gabrielle Hoffman is that you can find her at Gabby underscore Hoffman on X. Gabriella Hoffman is the director for energy and concert, Center for Energy and Conservation over at IWF. She's an outdoors woman. She's a hunter. She's a firearms enthusiast. An angler. Crane and I were talking about it, not just like a fisher woman.

You just say angler. She loves the great. right outdoors. And she's been following this very closely. She joins us now via Skype. It's so good to see you, my friend, Gabby. Thank you so much for joining us. I am dying to know your response to what we just played. Absolutely. And this is not to put a slight to the administration because I love what they're doing on energy and conservation. My center applauds what they're trying to do to unleash energy abundance, restore conservation after four years of malaise under the Biden administration. But this is the wrong tact for underutilized public lands. Public lands under Biden, Harris,

were shut off to hunters and anglers. That's the focus I would like to see instead of applying it to affordable housing, so to speak, because affordable housing, as everyone knows, is a very mismatch policy. And to export the failures of that to the West, which is very rural, which is very hard to traverse. There's not much infrastructure.

I travel to Utah. I travel to a lot of Western lands. I'm from the West myself. It's very hard to build something like this plan. So I'm going to have to, you know, disagree with both secretaries and say maybe they should reconsider this policy. Happy to break it down more, Dana. No, that's, and I think you make a really good point to this. There's, I know the Washington Examiner had a piece where they were exploring how a third of the nation's land is owned by the federal government, but of that land, only 7.3% of

federal land is even within metropolitan areas that are dealing with what they cause a shortage, what they call a shortage in affordable housing. And that's from HUD itself. And that brings to question, what land are they looking at? Because I realize that not all federal land is, you know, like public parks. And I think that's the first thing everybody thought of. Like, you're talking about putting, you know, Section 8 and Yellowstone.

Like, that's what immediately the response is. And I know there's nuance there. But the thing that I thought about Gabriella was, if we're looking at the amount of land that's not really going to be in a metro area, How is the infrastructure going to get there? Like the roads and the water and the electricity, that is a considerable expense that would be footed by taxpayers. It absolutely will.

And they're thinking in terms of placing it maybe near Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, there is a little bit of already at play. Maybe it works in small pockets like Las Vegas. I'll give the benefit of the doubt. That was a Biden-era policy. But to kind of scale it up and do it by every single national park, would be a mistake and I think kind of foolhardy. But as you mentioned, there are different tiers of public land.

So where they would likely be looking at would be Bureau of Land Management, land, not national parks itself because you cannot develop a national park. It's not kosher in that respect. And most people like and support the national park system. Biden actually increased the park backlog by $9 billion. He did not improve it. Trump previously tried to make it better with the Great American Outdoors Act. I would like him to go back to 1.0.

I would like both secretaries here to reconsider what they were doing. Just open up more public lands, restore multiple use management. Biden had weaponized it so much to make it inaccessible to people for both commercial and recreational uses. And to export this problem of affordable housing, which nobody has really got a handle of, except for people in certain public policy circles. Politicians really, I guess maybe they underestimate also the value of these kind of precious public lands, which should be open to us. Because elsewhere around the world, we cannot recreate on BLM lands to go hunting,

fishing and even doing shooting sports activities. I don't know, Dana, if you're aware, but Biden shut down millions of acres to recreational shooting in Colorado and other places too. So why not focus on that opening up recreation, allowing for grazing, allowing for activities that are traditionally viewed under the purview of Department of Interior and let other people handle

kind of this housing supply issue and not bring it to public lands because we have a lot of private land. We have a lot of areas outside of boundaries that might border the national parks or even near Bureau of Law land management lands. But as you mentioned, it's extremely hard to traverse. I've driven around there. You don't see hospitals. You don't see grocery stores for 50 miles. To build that, it's going to take more than the Trump administration these next four years. So you get a Democrat next time. Do they

stop it? Do they proceed? This doesn't really have much thinking into it. And I just hope this proposal is reconsidered and they focus on actually expanding access. You brought up a really good point with the hospitals and supermarkets. If you're just joining us, we're talking to our friend, Gabriella Hoffman, who's the IWF Center for Energy and Conservation Director. or outdoors woman. That's a really good point, too, 50 miles. I mean, that's all part of a community. I mean, you can't, if you're talking about affordable housing, people I think are, it seems like this proposal assumes that everyone has the same means to get where they need to go to get medical care or to get food. And they're just, it's so much more into it than that. And,

and I like what you said, too. I mean, what the administration's been doing is great. However, we're not always going to agree with every proposal that comes out of D.C. It would be very weird if we did. And I would question what happened if we did. And this is just one that there's a better way to go about it. You brought up shutting off land for a lot of outdoor recreation. How does the agriculture aspect play into this? Because the first that I ever really started paying attention to this issue was when Bureau of Land Management started going after farmers and ranchers over grazing rights and then fighting with like Texas property owners over mineral rights. So I would imagine that.

And then I'm not even getting into like the energy, like the oil and gas and all of that that that I know under Biden and then under Obama, they really tried to reduce the leasing, the exploration of that. That seems like that's like the way that you go with it is trying to figure out how to generate capital with these lands instead of turning it, you know, frankly into a welfare scheme. I agree with that assessment, absolutely data, because that is what was the, what needed to be course corrected. because Biden had overstepped his bounds, weaponizing the BLM to put distrust with stakeholders. He made everything a national monument. National monuments are supposed to be very liberally applied for certain deserving parcels that should become national parks, but not everything should be a national park. And I say this as a national park proponent.

You have to be very careful what you designate. But he made it so that everything is off limits. He put a rewilding preservation scheme to make it so only the environmentalists that agree with his administration could enjoy the public lands that we all love and enjoy and have traversed. Hopefully your listeners have gone to different lands at West, but he made it really inaccessible for the public. And you put this in here. Is this a nod to potentially selling off public lands?

I will caution, you know, the administration not to look into that proposal. There are a lot of people at West who vote conservative, identify conservative like the Trump administration's proposals. Largely they go hunting off of public plants for their livelihood for food sources. If they see that potentially being attacked or converted into affordable housing in areas where it's very difficult to do that in Bozeman, portions of Idaho and Wyoming, you could make them disgruntled. And that's not something you want to do. You don't want to anger your allies. You want to focus on the bigger fruit, not the small, low-hanging fruit,

which is controversial, not properly tested. So they have to be really cautious. They should focus on harnessing more energy, allowing for more oil and gas leases, geothermal, nuclear, where it concerns the Department of Energy, LNG export terminals. And I know Secretary Bergam is looking to do mineral rights as well, and coal even. And coal can be done very safely on public lands. A federal court invalidated an Obama era law that forbid coal exploration even on federal land. So we're seeing a resurgence of that as well. So they should focus on that, not kind of these theoretical ideas because it could be challenged in courts. And it's not a concession to the left or to be fearful of the left. But Republicans, conservatives enjoy public lands too. And they might see this as an infringement on that enjoyment.

Right. That's a really good point. And also, to me, you know, looking at kind of like one of the underlying narratives of this, it gave me the sense that the drivers of the issue of housing with, you know, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the whole FHA thing and the asset bubbles and the interest rates and all of this stuff, it's almost like it's just giving that a pass and focusing on the symptoms and not the actual cause of this because creating, you know, some people are going out there saying, oh, it's sectionate housing. Well, I don't know how it's going to be structured, but you know to do affordable housing like that you're that's not going to fix this problem because it's not a supply issue so doesn't it makes the whole thing worse doesn't it it does and and there's a

conversation i live close to Washington DC i think you live close you know to a city as well a lot of your listeners are in suburbia bordering different cities the issue is zoning laws height restrictions that's common sense that's where people should look to uh kind of this yimbi nimbi conversation not looking to areas that people travel and settle in because they want to be left alone. These lands, not only because they're difficult to traverse and the infrastructure is not there to make freedom cities. I don't know if this is going back to actually even Trump's idea of freedom cities. It could be, which I respectfully disagree with as well.

So it could be underpinned with that kind of exploratory thing. But it also is just people want to be left alone in these regions out west. They want to have time in nature. They want to have access to trails. They don't want to see the problems and symptoms of. failures of urban or suburban policies transplanted to those at West. That's why the West is very attractive. Montana has had a surge of people moving there, Idaho, Wyoming. They don't want to see those problems exported there. And this could invite those very problems that people have fled.

And they probably like the lower property taxes out in some of these less populous regions, which means if you're putting these artificial cities out there or towns or whatever, I mean, in order to have the schools in that that you mentioned previously, people are going to see either an increase in property tax or depending on how everything's zoned, establishment of taxes, which doesn't seem to be very conservative. Yeah, you definitely have that problem because people are moving there because there are fewer barriers, tax barriers to purchasing homes. And when you attract more people, it's going to create more competition.

There's already a housing supply problem in Montana with how many people have been moving there. And it's not so much a land issue, but things are really expensive. Mortgage rates are really high. So they're going to have further problems in places that are bordering the national parks or even BLM, Fish and Wildlife Service Land. and even forest service land too. So it's a problem waiting to happen, unfortunately. It hasn't really been thought out thoroughly, in my opinion.

And I think you also agree as well. So hopefully they go about this very judiciously. Maybe they can try in different pockets. Like I said, the only place I've seen this potentially working is Las Vegas. But to make it more scalable could be a problematic solution in search, you know, a problematic problem in search of a solution. And they had a lot of issues out there. I think that contributed to them using that.

as a as a temporary solution but I think because I remember reading about the real estate that all of the economic bus that they were dealing with Gabriella Hoffman I hope I wish that you were in the administration talking to POTUS about this because you have one of the most reasoned responses to it and you're coming at it from a position of expertise because this isn't a life that you just pretend to have on social media I mean it literally is your passion and you're you live it and so I think that that makes you highly more recommendable than other people to give advice to POTUS on this. So I really hope that he listens to. We're going to just push this out there and hope that he gets it.

We'll try to engage his administration at our center. We work very closely with him and a whole host of issues. I welcome the opportunity to work with the secretaries and impart some wisdom here because we want to see them succeed. Yes, exactly. That's it. We all had the same ends. Maybe different means to get there. Gabriella Hoffman, always so good to see you.

I'm so glad that we had you today. Thank you, my friend. Great job. Thank you, Dana. Pleasure. We'll talk soon. Brighten up your timely news consumption with a Dana Show podcast, where every update comes with a little dash of Not So Serious on YouTube, Apple, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I saw the New York Post wrote about this, that there's a website that has reportedly published all of the personal information of Tesla owners across the country as a way to shame and intimidate. them. How is this not domestic terrorism? Why this is insane? It's a New York Post piece. I'm going to retweet it here momentarily. But the site's operators also posted the exact locations of all Tesla dealerships. And they said they will only remove identifying information about Tesla owners if they provide proof that they sold their electric vehicles. And they act like, uh, they said, like on the side, it goes, I want my information removed. And they go, absolutely. Just provide us with proof that you sold your Tesla. I think turnabouts fair play. Look, I try to be a really good person. Try. Try is the

operative word here. I think these people need to be made absolutely famous. We're going to talk more about this tomorrow. Today's stupidity, Kane. Oh, well, Juan, it's cut 30. It's Chuck Schum. Boy, he does not like hardworking Americans keeping their own money. Listen to this. Oh, no. You know what their attitude is? I made my money all by myself. How dare your government take my money from me?

I don't want to pay taxes. Or I built my company with my bare hands. How dare your government tell me how I should treat my customers? You're horrible with spending our money. That's the point. So, yes, we are a little bitter when we have to give our hard-earned money to the government. and then you want to sit there and mock those people while you overspend our money? Yep.

Yep. I have FCC violations to say. Am I supposed to feel bad for feeling that I don't want to give my money to a godless, wasteful government? No, I don't feel bad at all. Folks at Justice Force today, sign up over at Substack, my newsletter, chapter, and verse, Facebook, YouTube, like and subscribe back with you tomorrow.