The Dating Detectives - Mackenzie Undercover: In the Nude

Episode Date: July 10, 2023

Mackenzie tells Hanna a wild story that takes us to a nudist community and on an exploration of polyamorous relationships! If you have a story that you would like to share on the podcast, send us an email at [e-mail] Follow us on Instagram, Tik Tok, and Facebook @DatingDetectivesPodcast Hosted by Mackenzie Fultz & Hanna Anderson Produced by Mollie Biskar ***The following Program contains names, places and events that have been anonymized or fictionalized for the purposes of protection and safety. The following Program is provided for entertainment purposes only and any commentary from the hosts are strictly conjecture and should not be held as making any definitive statements about the truth or identity of any particular individuals or circumstances. If you or a loved one are involved in an abusive relationship, please call the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-7233 for support.***See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following program contains names, places, and events that have been anonymized or fictionalized for the purposes of protection and safety. The following program is provided for entertainment purposes only, and any commentary from the hosts are strictly conjecture and should not be held as making any definitive statements about the truth or identity of any particular individuals or circumstances. If you or a loved one are involved in an abusive relationship, please call the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-7-233 for support. Hey. Can we talk about how hot Hannah looks today, you guys? I literally put makeup on for like the first time in forever, but thanks. I appreciate you.

You look how to? Which makeup look did you do? Thank you for asking. I did the viral latte look on TikTok, which sounds really cool, but it's really just brown. It's just brown. That's all it is. And everyone's making it this whole thing with latte and bronze. You're just using brown. But go off, Genzi. Well, I think you look beautiful. Well, you always look beautiful, but I just, I noticed a little extra pep in your stuff this morning. Okay, maybe Jen Z knows what they're doing. Are you excited to hear about what we're talking about today?

Of course, but we did want to talk about last week's episode, the one where we had a guest come on and tell us about her brother. So thanks for everybody's discourse. Everybody was really into it. And it was such a good story. I'm so grateful she came on because obviously we talked a lot about men dealing with. men dealing with this and how they have a different processing. But a lot of you wanted to know about some details that we did not include. Yeah.

We like, thank you for bringing this up because this is so important. So you guys, can we just listen. We didn't have a come to Jesus moment for a minute. Okay. Listen. A lot of you wanted to know about who the baby daddy was, more about the child. But we made the choice not to include that because this child. didn't really consent to being part of the story.

And it was more about the woman and what she did to deceive this man. And we're totally down for y'all to ask questions. Always we want to hear what you have to say. But just like keep in mind that we are making conscious choices. Because the purpose of dating detectives is not to be like a salacious reality, like getting in people's business kind of show. It's more to create community based on our shared experiences or shared support. You guys have to keep in mind that these are real people's lives that we're talking about. So there are some details that we may choose to leave out specifically because it might affect that

person's life or, you know, if there are innocent children involved. We're not trying to gatekeep information, but these are real true stories. So we make those decisions based on what we think is ethically sound and tried to be, you know, as safe as possible. So we would really appreciate if you guys honor and respect that. And we'll do our best to bring you all the information that we have within reason. Yeah. That said, we like your questions.

You were asking about clarity on whether they're together. No, they're not together anymore. Thank heavens. Yeah. And it is, it's hard because also as a private investigator, like you want to keep digging. You want to know more. But there are also, number one, there's laws. Like, I'm not allowed to investigate something.

Those things. Hired me to do. So like different things like that. So just keep those things in mind. And we love your support so much. Thank you. You guys are amazing. We love hearing what your thoughts are about the episodes and what questions that you have because we learn a lot from that too.

Yeah. So ask them even if we can't answer them. But we're not TMZ. Yeah. So anyway, speaking of this latte look that Hannah's wearing with all the nudes, are you ready for a fun episode, Hannah? Oh, am I? What a teaser. Oh, now we have to go. We have to go right now. Somebody's getting naked. Hey, girl. Hey. Hey, McKenzie. How you doing? Good. How are you?

I'm good. I'm very excited because you're telling me a tale today. Well, I was going to ask you how much you like these stories that I like these experiences that I've had. If they're like, I mean, I'm not that into them. I don't think anyone is. No one's listening. And, It's boring and no, are you kidding? I'm sorry. Guys, it's a little early for me. I'm always like three hours behind McKenzie. So if I'm ever not awake, just know that I am talking in my sleep. Just kidding.

Well, hey, listen, it works. You look great, by the way. Like, I mean, at least you're hot. It's fine. Just that they're and look hot. That should be our slogan. At least we're hot. No matter what happens with the podcast.

We're just going to sit here and look pretty. Okay. So I'm just going to jump right. in. Okay. So basically I get a call from a wife. Okay, so I'm setting the scene here. A wife gives me a call and she says, hi, I would like, and of course I always ask, why are you calling? What do you need? Whatever. And she gives me the details and she says, my husband has been working on Saturdays or he says he's working on Saturdays, but his paychecks aren't really showing that. Like his paychecks aren't reflecting that. So it kind of makes me think that he's not really working on Saturdays or he's

not working as long as he says that he is. So she's obviously doing a little mathing, right? And the math ain't mathin. Math ain't mathin. So she says, my spidey senses are tingling and I just really want to know like what's going on. Okay. So and this is, first of all, I thought it was interesting like on Saturdays. Like what's going on on Saturdays? There's got to be something. I mean, me being a nice Jewish girl, I'm like, is he going to Shabbas? Like, that's the day of rest. Yeah, he's, he's not working. I'm going to guess that he's maybe not

at synagogue. I think you're probably right. So Spidey Senses are going off. So I'm like, all right, I'll go do a surveillance on a Saturday since she says, okay, he says he's going to be working this Saturday. So I go to follow him. He leaves the house about 8 o'clock

in the morning and he goes to a grocery store and I follow him and I'm documenting him going into the store. Well, I want to know what he's doing. So I watch him go in and he doesn't grab a cart. So I'm like, okay, if he's not grabbing a cart, he's not going to grab a ton of stuff. So I'm thinking he's probably not going to be in there very long time. So I decide not to follow him into the store. You'll just see what he comes out with. Yeah. So I want to see what he's coming out with. So I'm like, if they don't grab a cart, like you have to kind of take your wildest guess what they're doing.

So, and I wanted to know what he was going to be doing the rest of the day. And if I had to follow him, somewhere else. I didn't want him to see me in the grocery store first thing in the morning. So he comes out with these beautiful flowers and he gets into his car and he leaves, right? And I'm thinking flowers. He's bought somebody flowers. Got him. Like, got him. He says he's going to work, but he's got flowers. So obviously her spiky senses aren't wrong. So I'm excited to see like what, what's going to happen, right? So I follow him and he goes to Starbys. Okay. Now I'm not, I'm sorry, Starbucks. I'm not one who is a coffee. We know.

I'm not one as a coffee drinker. I think coffee is disgusting. She says as I'm literally sipping coffee as we speak. And coffee is disgusting. And I love that about coffee. Please don't block me. But I respect your choice. It's okay.

So you're like, oh, Starbucks. Yeah, so Starbucks is gross, but whatever. So anyways, he meets this. So he gets to Starbys. He gets out of his car and this woman gets out of her car. he approaches her he gives her the flowers and they kiss lightly kind of on like the side of the mouth like next to the mouth but not on the mouth and i'm like okay so now i'm like the first rule of being a p i never assume and i was like it wasn't exactly a mouth kiss so i'm like a cousin kiss was it like yeah

like a family friend kind of right like you don't know so i'm totally overthinking this whole thing and then suddenly he goes for it and he kisses her like full blown and i'm like okay that's it it like this is the kiss so i'm videotaping him handing her the flowers kissing her whatever okay so they go into starbies and they sit down and they have coffee together okay so now like my spidey senses are tingling because i'm like first of all it just it doesn't it doesn't make sense to me like if you're meeting someone at Starbucks is this someone that you've met but is this someone you've never met before do you know what i mean like if you're meeting someone for the first time, like, wouldn't you be like, oh, meet me at a public place? So that

was in the back of my mind, but I wasn't sure. I'm interested in that they are obviously having some kind of affair. And he just like made out with her in front of everyone in the parking lot. That seems a little, a little risky. Well, that's the thing. So this whole story gets a little risky, right? So they're, he's out here just in front of God and everybody just kissing this lady, like, it ain't nothing. He's right by his house. So I'm like, all right, let's see what they do. So they go have coffee for about 30 minutes, then they get in their cars. Are they, oh, separate cars. Okay. Yeah, because they met at the Starbys. And so she's driving. He's following behind her. And they're driving along. And I'm kind of familiar with the area because I live kind of in this area,

in the Tampa Bay area or whatever. And they come up to a community. But though there's like a giant, there's this really tall wall that lines the whole community, which is sometimes common. But usually you'll have like, you know, smaller fences where you can see the homes. So I pull up to this gated community. Like you can see this giant wall which leads to the gate. I was like, what is it? Like an Air Force base I didn't know about like super super like top secret squirrel, right? And then I come up to the gate and I see the name of the community and I recognize it because I'm from here like you've heard of this place. and I'm like, oh my God, they go into a nudist community. What we?

Yeah. So there's like this gate and she, so she immediately gets in. Like she's able to get in. There's like a little guard. He's in his cute little like costume or whatever. And so she gets into this community. Oh, God. And imagining like the way they are at like clubs in Vegas where they're like, yeah,

women are free. Like here can go on it. For the nudie Judy communities, the girls. Women drink free at the nudist community. Yeah. So then she talks to the little guard in his little costume. And she's like, oh,

and she's, you know, doing that sweet little, you can hear her talking, but I couldn't hear what she was saying. And so she's on her sweet little voice and she's talking to him. You can tell that she's telling him, let this guy in.

He's with me. So the guard lets them both in. And because I recognize this community, I'm panicking. Like, do I have to take my clothes off? What do I do? Oh, my God. I want to follow them in, but how do you, I've never been inside a gated nudist community?

What's the verification process? Is there an audition? Is there a, yeah, what the own? So like, what do you do? Also, man, Florida full of surprises. And like, you would think that like, it, like, there's, I had so many questions. You live in a different country, girl. Well, and also, like, I just, I'm lost for words. I don't. I don't. don't know, do I try to go in? Do I just stay out of this one? What do I do? Mackenzie, if you don't go in to this nudist community, I will be so mad. When else are you, when else are you going to have the chance to see inside the walls of a nudist community? Yes. Okay. So I had to put on my thinking cap, which when you're in a panicked mode, things just start flying out of my mouth. It sounds like a giant mess. And so anyways, I tell the guard

a couple of things. I can't tell everybody how I got in because I feel like it may or may not be something that may or may not affect my state license. Okay. So we're going to pretend like like nobody knows. I will say that absolutely no laws were broken. Good. Wait, can I can I mean, I have a couple questions and just a few, you know, just one or two. But you don't, we don't have to include them in the recording or you can say like no I can answer that obviously you know you can do that so this is not about how you got in but can you tell us anything about the entry process like what were things that maybe are they just like who are you like or do they have a little bit more of a membership situation so these people live here right like these are residents of this place and so when you come in like

you can't just go in all willy-nilly you probably it's the same way that you're like on someone's list when you go into a gated community and they're like oh yeah we have your name and like you can go in to see this ad dress. Like I'm sure. Yeah. And like I'll be honest with you. I had a harder time getting into a friend's community that had a guard gated entryway than I did this nudist community. I'm just going to let you know.

And so anyways, I made my way. I mean, they're very open people. I'm sure they're quite welcoming. Yeah, right. Like just take your clothes off. It's fine. Come in, get naked. You're one of us now.

Get comfortable. Get comfortable. Stay a while. I love it. Okay. So anyways, I get in. I'm so sorry, you guys. I really want to tell you how, but like it's kind of a trade secret when we do things. Like sometimes we got to keep that stuff a secret, right? Okay. So yeah, you're like a magician. So we're just going to move on past that as if it's not a big deal. Basically, McKenzie now lives in the nudist community and I've bought a home. So I will say it took me 20 minutes to finally get past the guard. Okay. So I get past the guard gate and now I'm, I have no idea where this guy is. Like they've gone in ahead of me. I can't find him. So now I have to go searching for him.

So I enter and I'm driving around and I'm looking for this fellow's car. I'm looking for their cars. I want to see where they're at. Well, I see as I'm driving around like all these different roads I'm coming in and out and I see his car parked at a particular house on the driveway. And I did not see her car, but there was a garage, but I didn't see her car. So I was like either I missed them. they went back out in her car or she's maybe in the garage or something. I didn't know. So I'm kind of sitting like there was an area where you can kind of park with other cars. So I wanted to blend in.

And so I'm just sitting there like minding their business, trying to like figure out what's going on. And so you see just a bunch of people like they're outside and they're naked. Like they're naked as a j-bird just like walking around. Like that's what I was going to ask. Like what is it? So people are just walking their dog a little, is it all naked? Is it like some people are going to have layers? I don't know. It's all naked. It's all naked. Okay. Nothing left to the imagination. Like they're wearing tennis shoes because like the ground was hot, like walking their dogs and stuff and like checking the mail. It was like suburbia, but with no clothes. So do you feel like you, I mean, they did, you said you don't want to stand out, but I mean, you got clothes on. So that's a little hard not to stand out.

So you got to remember too, though. So my car has dark, like black tinted windows, right? Sure. So nobody can see in my car, right? Great. So they can't see me. And if you, if my car is not on, like, you can never tell anyone's even in my car. So I decided to keep my clothes on for the time being just while I could. For the time being. Hmm. Dun, done, done. I know, right? So I'm just sitting there and I'm like, it's like a regular surveillance, right? You sit outside the house. you watch, you see what happened. You're just sitting there. You're just doing your thing and you're just watching the, like, that's literally what you do on surveillance. Well, I'm seeing all these people, they're driving around in golf carts. They're checking their mail. They're waving to one another,

like arm flaps just wave house. Hey, and it's just like, hello, goodbye. And so like, everybody's like, parts are just moving and they're just, hey, Sandy or whatever. Well, then I see this golf cart drive by and I recognize the girl. And I'm like, that's a girl from Starby's. And so I looked over at him and I was like, oh, that's totally him. So they're on the golf cart together. Naked. I feel like your phrase all willy-nilly means something very different in this episode. I feel like it duck too. And so, okay, so I need you to, I just need you to imagine these folks are driving down the street in this community on this golf cart. And like the seats are leather. They're naked. It's hot.

So you got it. There's like sticky and like sweat. And like all I could think of was I want like I was looking for like a slot like a cup holder but like for sanitizer wipes. Like how often do we are we wiping this down? Like I'm so concerned for the safety and like the antibacterial. We're both like we need some sunscreen. We need some light like wipe these. We're both moms walking into this new disc colony like everybody.

Yeah. Yeah. sure that you're taking care of your little bodies. Yeah, that's, um. Have you ever been in a nudist community? I have not been a nudist community. No, I have. So, like, it's not an, listen, the, it's not weird.

Like, it's not, like, it's not weird or anything. It's just when you're not used to it, it's very different. Oh, you know what? It's a different lifestyle. I have been to, like, I've been to, like, hot springs where everybody's naked. And I, it's funny, because some people are so comfortable with that. I love that for that. It's interesting, like your upbringing, I think definitely like plays roll into it. I was very, I mean, I was trying. Like I felt a little, I did it. I did the thing,

but I was like underwater and like someone who walked by and I'd be like hiding. I was getting weird. I was weird about it. And then they were not. And I was like, man, I should maybe learn a thing or two from these people. And we all got bodies. Yeah. Honestly. And so it takes a minute when you're in there, it's kind of one of those things that's like, it's not weird at all. It's just uncommon. Like, it's not the norm. And so it's just something that takes a little bit of getting used to. Like, even just driving around in there, I was like, these folks are naked.

Like, just like, they, every. And it's fun. And that's just how they roll. And that's totally fine. Like, that's it. I love that. I mean, I love it. I would, like, I don't know.

Like, I'm not confident enough with my body to do that. But, like, I feel like these folks all shapes, all sizes, confident as could be. And I envied them. Like, I was like, wow, like, that's confidence right there. Like, you're so confident in your body. Anyway, so they take this golf cart to, like, there's a tennis area where there's like a community pool and a bar and this beautiful, like, teaky hut. Like, it's really, really nice, right? So it's fancy.

But when you go, so they drive down the golf cart and I move my car, like, kind of to follow them. and I park in the parking lot at this community area with the tennis in the pool and everything. And what I tell you, there was just parts everywhere. Like this community area was banging. Like there were so many people there and all you see is skin. But that is all you see. But booties like danglings, booby like everywhere. And it's just everybody's just all willing to just hanging out.

So I see them at this community area and they're swimming and they're doing all this stuff. And I'm like, all right, let me call my client and give her an update. I want to see, you know, what's going on. So I text the wife. I say, hey, call me when you can. She calls me. And I tell her, I give her an update about what's going on. I said, this is what he's done.

He bought flowers. They went to Starby's. They're at a nudist community. And I'm like trying to pace her, waiting for her response or waiting for her to like freak out and lose her freaking mind. And she goes, oh, I already knew about her. Wait, so why is she calling you? Yeah.

So, okay, so many questions, right? So I'm like, okay, this is a head scratcher. And I was like, I remember being dead silent. Like, okay. And so she said, yeah, I already knew about her. She said, I thought there might have been another one. And I was like another one. Like, so you knew.

So she knew about this girl, right? And I was like, if you, like, if you knew about her, like, why call me? And why? And if you knew about her, why does he? he have to lie about working on Saturdays, which clearly he didn't go to work, right? Maybe she knows about her, but doesn't, like, they don't communicate about it. Like, she just knows and, like, looks the other way or I don't know. We'll see. So then I went back to my theory of who buys flowers for someone that, like, if you, if you're

already established, you just walk up to them, you kiss them. There's no weird, like, is there kind of a kiss? Is there a real kiss? I don't know. Should we kiss on the cheek? Should we kiss on the lips? There's no awkwardness when you already know them. And so I was like, for sure, this is someone that he just met, right? So my, the wheels are spinning in my head. And I'm like, maybe I'm just overthinking this, but just this isn't right, right? So I'm in my gut, like I knew this is someone that for sure he had to have just met. This isn't the girl that she, I just knew it.

You just sensed the body language wasn't quite, the literal body language. I did. Nothing but body. Well, and usually, like, you're not, you're not really supposed to assume as a private investigator, but I will tell you that my fomtuition, like, my gut instinct kicked in right in that minute. And I was like, she doesn't know. I just knew it. And I said, let me send you a picture. So I took a picture, like, I zoomed it as much as possible to avoid any parts. And I took a picture of the girl. Like I got really good pictures of her standing at the bar. So she was covered with her arm in front of her and a couple of drinks. So I just got her face really good. I sent it to the. wife. And then she says, that's not the same girl. And I was like, freaking knew it. My guts were on fire. I'm like, yes. Like, I'm so good at this. So I think that I've won this game, right? So I'm like, I knew. Right. Well, they are in a thruple with another woman, right? Okay. They're already, the other woman she knows about. The woman she knows about, they are in a thruple with. She said this was an open

relationship. Like this is something we went into together to just when we decided to bring a third and make it a triple. Okay. So now we're getting into poly, now we're getting into polyamory. Okay. So this is ethical non monogamy, polyamory, whatever you want to call it. We got a couple labels. Yeah. Like I don't really know all the ends and outs, but these are all. It's a different way of like dating, right? It's consensually. There's a third person involved. And did you say they're married, this initial couple? Yeah. Yeah, wife.

You said the wife. Okay, so they're married and they have a third woman that. Yeah, got it. Thruple. Yeah. So in my mind, I'm thinking he's trying to turn this thruple into a quadruple. But I feel like consent might be necessary for that. Like, is this cheating?

Usually. Do you know what I mean? Like, consent would be nice. Like, is this cheating because they are polyamorous or is it not cheating because they're polyamorous? Or is it cheating when you're lying just in general? which I think if you're lying, then it's cheating, right? I agree. Well, Polly people are...

You should have like an agreement. There's a huge difference, but I mean, ethical. The reason the word ethical is an ethical non-monogamy is because that implies communication, consent, openness. Yeah, I think honesty is a big part of it. And that's why people can maybe work in that dynamic. But the minutes, it requires a lot of trust. So this to me sounds like he's putting his good situation.

If he's into being Polly, he's putting that on the line because if, I don't know, wouldn't, I mean, I would like, trust. I would, yeah, okay, so I, yes, we're going to say cheating. According to the dating detectives, if you're not, if you're lying, it's bad. I think that if you're cheating on your nudist thruple like situation ship, then, okay, so your wife lets you have a girlfriend and then you cheat on your wife and your girlfriend with another girl? If you give a mouse a cookie. If you give a mouse of freaking cookies, but what are we missing? Wait, what do you mean?

What am I missing? This is why I'm not a BIA. I said nudist community and she said I already knew about her. Oh, so there's another girl. But this is a different girl in the same nudist community. Okay, so where's the first? He's cheating on his thruple. So the girl that's in their thruple lives in the nudist community.

And he's right there in front of the throuple and everybody. And he's in his girlfriend's community with another girl. Like, do you shit where you eat? Do you know what I mean? I mean, this is a common theme in these stories. Some of these people, typically men, don't want to say only men, but typically men, are just goddamn dumb. So then let me get back to the wife. So I tell the wife, so we're talking and everything. And while I'm talking to her, she signs into his laptop. And what does she find? A dating website that he's on. Oh, so he's like, that sucks. That makes me sad. And guess what? When she reads the messages on the dating website, just like I said, he met her for the very first time.

brought her flowers and they spent the day at the nudist community together. But here was my question. If this was his first time meeting her, but the wife had suspected all these other Saturdays, where was he for all those Saturdays? Is he just like the man of the nudist community? Maybe he's just making his way around. Yeah. So like we, no one can answer and he will not divulge.

what he's been doing for the past Saturdays where he cannot account for the lack of paycheck. Like he's saying, oh, yeah, I'm just working on those days. Like, this is the first time I've done that. But like, I mean, really? Like, let's be like, stop it, stop it. She did say that she did not find any other messages on the dating website. So she doesn't know if they were deleted or if they just never existed. But she did say she didn't see any more activity there.

So you never get to the bottom of where his bottom is on all those other Saturdays. but what's the outcome like where did she land on this? Obviously she got the information that he was going beyond the throuple. Yes. Shit and where he was eaten. So this is where

as a private investigator, I lose sleep because we do not get a final outcome. Once they pay me, that's it. Like it's done. Like they, they, I can call and say,

say, hey, I just wanted to follow up with you, which I usually, I try to do just because I'm very customer service oriented and I want to make sure that I care and that they're thought about. And so I do call and say, hey, I just want to follow up with you. So once I give her the information, I tell her what's going on. She spills her guts to me about the type of relationship they're in and all this. But I will tell you that I have looked up public records. And as I can see so far, they are still married. and I can see that everything, like all the interrogatories are all the same, like his vehicles,

her vehicles are still registered to the house. So I can only assume that they're still together. But as far as the thruple and the intimate details of their relationship, I do not. So we never find out what he's doing on those other Saturdays. But going forward, now he knows that his goose is cooked. But she found his dating app and his messages because didn't we just? talk about this? Like boys, dudes are not very smart when it comes to cheating. Like, bless them. God bless them. Dudes are hot, right? I love them so much. But sometimes they're

just not, they're just not very thoughtful. I do think, and this is not just men, but again, there's like, I really actually do think that it can make sense. We have, we can get into this. And I hope we do as we continue with all beautiful podcasts, monogamy. And sometimes a lot of these cases are people cheating. And I'm not saying that cheating. No, cheating is never okay. And it's never the person's fault that gets cheated on. But I know a lot of people hold the belief that if you're like open to, you know, talking to your partner about the fact that we have other interests, sometimes we do see other people as attractive. Maybe we do want to explore other parts of ourselves. Then maybe it's not cheating. I mean, I like, okay, so I don't care. I'll talk about

anything, but I'm by. And when I was like in a relationship with a guy, this was an awesome thing where he was very like, if that's a part of you that you like me to explore, I want to be part like in this communication, whatever. I'm just saying it there's a world in which you can have a very safe space where people can have communication about desires. Here, how about that? Well, that's the important word is communication, right? Communication. So it sucks to me. The thing about this is that it's like, if this is something you're into, this can work. But then someone like this guy abuses that trust and abuses that communication. And then it's just like, then you got trust issues.

Then you got, he had such a good, he sounds like it was a good situation. And I will say that she is very close with the other woman. They have been sexual together, but she doesn't consider herself by. Usually it's just for funsies or whatever. See, I was, I was going to be like, I hope they leave him and she moves into the other woman's house. in the nudist community and they all just, he gets blacklisted from the nudist community and they say bye bitch, but.

But also I was curious like, and I hesitate asking this question, but I feel like when they pulled up to the guard station, right, did the guard not recognize him because the wife said that they go there often, like they always go to her house? Did the guard not recognize him or his car? And they were just all willy-nilly like, hey, this is this guy.

And he's just like, yeah, it's me, bud. Like, I mean, I have so many questions. Think about the stories that like an apartment complex door man. It's like they know when someone has a mistress. They know. They know all the secrets. Like, I'm sure he was just like, all right, this guy. Or maybe he didn't know that, you know, he's probably just like, oh, he's dating someone else.

I don't know. I could see the guy just being like, just another one for the gossip circle. And could you imagine, could you imagine if, like, the guard was naked with, like, a sexy, like, guard belt? I mean, that would be quite a, quite a welcome. Like, could you imagine, like, he's totally nude and he has, like, his security belt. He's got his gun and his ass and his handcuffs. Everything's all dangly jangly. I feel like that's a different place.

That's, like, a different place. This place sounds very, like, almost, I don't want to use the word reserved because obviously not. But, like, I don't know. You're going to have to go to, like, a weird. weird dungeon place to find this guard with his belt and stuff. With his dangly jangly. So I think it opens up your eyes to all the different types of relationships out there because now we're getting into polyamory and is it cheating and does polyamory constitute an open relationship? It's all about what you communicate within the confines of your relationship.

It doesn't matter if you have 17 girlfriends or there's 20 of you. or whatever. As long as you communicate, do you, boo, as long as you communicate, you're not breaking these laws. Like, you know what I mean? I do hope that using your PI skills to uncover more of what he was doing on Saturday led to like communication that they needed to have. Like, I think there is a world in which you can find something like this and address it. Interesting. Interesting. I mean, we could also just join the nudist community and go hang out there and see what we find. That's what I'm saying.

Like, I'm ready to take out alone. Like, let's go. Like, I'm, I mean, if they'll bring us there, we'll do a live show. We're happy to. Underwater. We'll be naked. We'll be naked underwater. No, we'll be like, oh my God.

Maybe it's something that I need to work on in being more comfortable in my own skin. But I just don't think a nudist colony is for. And you know what? I don't think so either. I just think it's not. Okay. And that's something. to be said too. And like, I want to make it clear also that I just kind of, that's one reason I really

like this episode is because it kind of goes to show you like outside the span of like a man-woman relationship or just, you know, one-on-one. And it kind of kind of leads you into other relationships that are underrepresented. And that's why we want to tell these stories is to kind of represent all different types of relationship, not just a man and a woman. I want to talk about like, you know, gay couples. I want to talk about, it's not just men cheating. I want to talk about women cheating on their husbands or whatever. So I just, I want everyone to know that like, this is not just a man, woman thing. Like, this is, this spans tons of different types of relationships. Equality means that we can all be shitty. That's when we'll know we've really hit equality when

everyone sucks. We just hate everyone equally. That's so bad. Don't cancel us. But what was I going to say? Oh, yeah. And I also think it is interesting to talk about how I, again, back to what I'm saying where it's like nobody's a lot. Some of these people, obviously some of these stories, these people are abusive and awful. And it's not okay. Some of these stories, I think, really get into couples communication and openness and acceptance. And I do think that a lot of people meet have a long way to go in terms of like what we are open communicating about with our partners. That's a good point. And also, I would really love to hear from some of our listeners who maybe have talked about the nudist thing or maybe they've been involved in it, but also polyamorous relationships, thruffles. I want to hear about those. I think that, like I said, some of these relationships are underrepresented. So I really want to talk about that stuff. Also, I want to hear details. Anyways, okay, so you guys, make sure that you're following us on the Instagram at Dating Detectives Podcast. And please share. Share us and tell a friend. You can get Dating Detectives podcast anywhere you get your podcast. We really appreciate your love and support. And if you have stories about any of the things we've talked about today, fun ones,

maybe not pictures, don't send pictures, but stories about this or any other dogfish scenario, email us at investigate at datingdetectivepod.com. Do not send us news. Dear God, do not send us news. Please don't send us news. We would really appreciate that. Okay, well, I will see you next week then, Ms. Hannah. I cannot wait. I love you so much. These stories, they get crazier every time.

Well, goodbye, my dating detective. Goodbye, my armchair slew.