The Dating Detectives - The OnlyFans Pimp: Part 2

Episode Date: February 19, 2024

If you haven't listened to Part 1 go back and listen before checking out this episode! In Part 2 Chloe tells us about her experience with Jay and how this negative experience brought her an amazing friend! Click here to join our Patreon! For only $5 a month you will get 2 extra episodes a month, monthly virtual live events, and access to our community page! If you've been dogfished and want to share your story on the show, email [e-mail] or contact us through our website using this link This episode is sponsored by Miracle Made. Get your incredible, temperature maintaining, silver infused sheets for 40% off, PLUS a free three piece towel set, by going to trymiracle.com/TDD and using code TDD at checkout. This episode of The Dating Detectives is sponsored by Dipsea. For listeners of the show, Dipsea is offering an extended 30 day free trial when you go to DipseaStories.com/ TDD This episode of The Dating Detectives is sponsored by Daily Harvest. To get $30 off your first box, plus free shipping, go to dailyharvest.com/tdd See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following program contains names, places, and events that have been anonymized or fictionalized for the purposes of protection and safety. The following program is provided for entertainment purposes only and any commentary from the hosts are strictly conjecture and should not be held as making any definitive statements about the truth or identity of any particular individuals or circumstances. If you or a loved one are involved in an abusive relationship, please call the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-7-233 for support. Good Monday morning, my friend. Hey, Hannah. Hi, how many people are like, get to the story. I feel like everyone was so antsy this week about part two. Like so ready for part two.

So we basically left off with Livy getting on the phone with Chloe, and that opened a whole new can of worms that you're about to hear about. So if anyone is just joining us, this is part two of the longer story, the only fan's Pimp. And you should definitely go back and listen to part one before you start here for obvious reasons. That's kind of how parts work. I kind of like when we break it up into two. I know it's difficult, but it's nice to see the conversation in between because we can like respond right now. We're recording this on Friday before this comes out on

Monday. So it's kind of, I don't know, I think it makes the story even better. But let's recap part one just for people to remember what. Yeah. And also, but if you message me about this episode, please don't use the word pimp in my messages because TikTok banned me for a month from messaging because they thought I was doing sexual services with the baby daddy story. So we got to use. I've been using like an exclamation point for the I or only fans. I'll use a zero. You got to get a little creative.

Because I could not even post. They were like, we do not like this. Like you are like it was wild. So let's keep that out of my messages. Baby daddy. You're a pimping baby daddy. Wild. You're not. You're just slinging makeup. That's all. That's all. That's good. Let her live. Let her live. Let me do what I do.

So recap. Okay. So Livy basically meets this guy who's much older than her. And when I say much older, we're talking like 10 years. We don't exactly know because he kind of lied. Oh, yeah, true. I feel like age gaps are less of a thing when you're like once you get into your late 20s and beyond. But when you're 21, it's like somebody who's 25 feels. feels like a huge age gap, in my opinion. At least that's how it felt for me. And like this guy who's much older took advantage of the fact that she was young and a little bit inexperienced. And she believed him because she had no reason not to. And she followed his lead when it came to the only fans. And he totally manipulated her.

And it got to the point where she was like, this is, you know, she started kind of realizing what was going on. She gets on the phone with Chloe. And like I said, a whole other. can of worms that we're about to hear about. Yeah. So the first story is a lot of how they get to know each other and how he kind of subtly gets himself into her life. He definitely grooms her into trusting him. Somebody reached out, like not knowing what grooming meant. And that's kind of just when somebody is really manipulative and strategic about making you trust them and feel secure and

dependent emotionally or otherwise on someone. So then they can have an easier time manipulating you. and in this case he manipulated and essentially trafficked her on only fans. We can call it that. I think it is trafficking. It's legitimately trafficking and by definition. And so I think that this is, I love that we're sharing these stories because then we had a follower of ours on the Instagram, reach out with this acronym called Darvo. Hannah, you want to share what Darvo is? Yes, I looked it up.

So shout out to Carrie, a follower who sent this. acronym Darvo. And she was like, this is exactly what he was doing. So it stands for deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender. So when, in this case, when Livy was like, hey, you are forcing me to do something I don't want to do, whatever. Whatever it is. He said, no. He said, right, deny. And then the gaslighting, he turns it around and it's like, you're not holding up your end of the deal. And then like, you're making it really hard for me. You're being a bad partner, reversing the victim and offender roles. So deny attack and then reverse victim and offender.

Darvo is, I mean, how many times has that come up? So narcissistic and 100% manipulative, the whole thing. So let's listen and see if he does some Darvo dancing with Chloe, because Chloe is going to share her side of the story with Jay. And Chloe was amazing. I love both of them. I'm, we just, let's get into it. I know everybody's like, shut up, let's get into it.

All right. Let's go. Okay. So, her and I jump on a call and so much was unraveled, but she is here today to let you know all of it. So without further ado. We love this part. Dying. Oh, my gosh.

Hello, Chloe. Hello. It's so nice to have you here. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. I'm dying to tell everything I got. Oh, my. Oh, my gosh. Well, we're dying to hear it. Take it away, sister. Okay, I'll just start kind of like life before him. I was in Hawaii for four years before I met him. I was working at like a hookabar. Buy me a drink bar. I don't know if you guys are familiar with that. But it's just, you know. Explain. It's just kind of like where you like dress up. Guys will come in, buy you some drinks and you get paid for it. It's not like anything crazy. It's just a little easy. You get paid to drink, basically. Oh, wow. Simple as.

that. That sounds fun. I'm glad I didn't know about that in college. It was a great job when I was, yeah, exactly. It was a great job when I was 21. But yeah, I'd always been single. I'd never had a relationship before. Decided to get on the dating app, see what was out there, specifically hinge, because we met May of 2022. So yeah, I was trying to get into the dating scene. I was swiping and going. But in Hawaii, specifically, my type isn't really there. It's a lot. It's a lot of military boys. It's a lot of like not my vibe. But so I came across Jay and I was like, oh, okay, you know, my type finally. So I was like dead set because I had a very hard time dating in Hawaii. So I was like into it. I was like he's cute. He's whatever. I was 21 at the time.

His said 32. And he gave me like the first, you know, he was like, please tell me you're in Hawaii. And I was like, ooh, like he likes me. Like, he kind of gave me, like, the little giddies. And I was like, and he's cute. So I, you know, we just started talking. And it didn't take very long before, you know, he was like, what's your number? Come hang out with me. Blah, blah, blah.

Which, it was just a hotel. He was like, come hang out with me at this hotel. And we met up. I almost didn't go in. I was having, like, a whole panic attack because it was my first date and whatever. My impressions on him on the first date was for sure. sure, like, he's super successful. He's telling me about all of these things. I'm, I feel like if anybody else was listening to it, they would have been like, you kind of are spitting out a lot of

stuff that doesn't really add up or it kind of sounds like you're gloating. But for me, I was like, little 21 year old me, I was just like, oh, he seems so successful. Like, I really want to date an older guy who's like, has his stuff together, you know, like he was rich. He had lots of cars. He was very successful. He was Cabo, Vegas, San Diego. So my first impressions was he was very successful. He had his shit together. He was very wealthy. But that's not really like I just, I love the successfulness. I sounded like he had his shit together. He said he was buying a house in Hawaii. And that's why he was on that trip. Yes. The same exact trip that Livy was talking about. So you're like, nice away bag. He took that suitcase. I'm still not. Not.

okay with the suitcase. Which you know what's so funny about the away suitcase, brag to me about it. Bragged to me about it. The audacity. Yeah. He was like, this is my sister's bag. My sister. It's always the sister. It's always the sister. Isn't it so cool? Yeah, whole thing. Bragged about the whole thing. It was actually funny because when Livy and I talked about that, I said something and she's like, that was mine. Oh my God. You know, he told me the same things, well-connected, was working with the famous drummer, all of those things. You know, he even told me he was getting a call from him during our date, like, stopped our conversation.

It was like, I'm getting a call from him one second and, like, took the call, which I honestly just think it was Livy at the time now that I didn't know it at the time, but now I'm thinking that. But yeah, first date, we hung out at the hotel the whole time. It was good. He was talking my ear off. I thought he was just the most amazing human in the world. I remember going to my friends after him being like, he was so cool.

The whole time he was apparently suicidal talking to Livy. That's what's so crazy to me. He had a big smile on his face, all these things. But the whole time he was telling, you know, two girls, something different. But yeah, he ended up moving hotels twice, which was weird to me at the time, but I just whatever. And he ended up asking if he could stay at my house for the remainder of his trip. So we took the surfboards up to my house. We took the suitcase up.

Suitcase. We took all the things up to my house and he stayed at my trip or stay at my house. What was his excuse for that? Why did he need to stay at your house? He told me he likes to move hotels. So he liked to like get different hotels to like have a different experience. And I was like, okay. And he's like, well, I'm going to move to another one.

But like, would you just want to stay at your house? And I was like, I mean, I guess like that's fine. Like, yeah. So he just super. imposes himself into anywhere and everything. Yeah, and me being me. I was like, yeah, who would want to spend more money on another like hotel? And I liked it. I liked him at the time. Yeah. I was like, yeah, come over my house. Like, we're not made a wood. No, you know what I mean? But yeah, so he stayed at my house. I ended up taking him to the airport. After all of that,

you know, he seemed like a really big deal. I was very interested in him. So I did long distance with him from San Diego. He was in San Diego and I stayed in Hawaii. But at the time, like, it was so worth it to me because he was always texting me. He was always calling me. I went to San Diego to visit him. He was planning all these trips with me. Like, he was including me and everything, every little thing. And he was planning all these nice dinners and planning, just planning. He's a big planner, not a big, like, take action on it. But we did have, like, a Bali trip plan. That was like a huge thing. Like, he really wanted to go to Bali. Fancy. Okay. Wanted me to come with him. Yeah. So when I did go visit him in San Diego for my first time, I ended up actually visiting him almost every two weeks. Paid for it myself. He never helped me buy a ticket. Never helped me. But I was just, you know, I'm not a big long distance person. I was like, I want to see you. I want to touch you on. Oh, like, you know, I'm just like, let's go. And during that first trip to visit him, he brought up us starting a couple's TikTok account. He was just like, he was wanting me to do TikTok. I was super shy. So TikTok wasn't really my thing. But he brought it up. maybe the first time and I was like, I'm really shy. I don't really want to do that. And maybe like the second time I flew out there, I was like, all right, let's do it. And he would always have the ideas. He would always be the one to like come up with things. And I would just be doing them with him. And he framed this TikTok account as like, this is a start to our empire. Like we can make money off of this. We can get

views off of this. We can get brand deals out of this. We can, you know, it was definitely a money based situation. And then after we started the TikTok, he started bringing up only fans. I was complaining about my job and how I was kind of over it. Like I was just like, I don't want to drink anymore. The hangovers, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he was like, well, you should just do only fans. Like, I have, like, a marketing company. I have a management company. Like, you should just do it. And I'm like, no, I really don't want to do it. Like, I don't want my parents to see. I don't want to be an only fans girl. And he would constantly bring it up whenever I'd be like, oh, I want to make more money. or I want to do this, and he'd be like, we should build an empire together.

Like, let's do this. Let's, like, make sure that we get, like, let's build this empire. Let's create this. And I just really did not want to do it. Like, I was not comfortable with it. But he just kept bringing it up. He would always subtly bring it up when I'm complaining about money or I'm complaining about my job or I'm saying, hey, I can't fly out.

And he'd be like, well, you could if you just did OnlyFans type thing. And there was one trip where he was really upset about my job. He hated my job, obviously, because it was kind of like men-based in a way. So he called me a slut a lot. He'd call me a whore, say, like, I have sex for money, which I just want to put out there that that was not true. I really just drank. And then after I got back and literally, like, right when I walked in my front door coming back from visiting him, I get this text from Jay about an email that he got.

The first email kind of was like, hey, you're dating a whore. She's prostituting herself out. She just uses men. She will take all your money. She's not who she says she is. The person said, I know her. She was dancing on my lap. Like he was acting.

He was portraying to be like a customer that used to come in. And my stomach just dropped because I'm like, who is this? Why are they saying these things about me? Who could it possibly be? why, where or when, who is this? Like, my brain just started racked and I'm just like, I immediately texted him like, I'm so sorry, like, what is this? Like, who is this?

And he's just like, I don't fuck know. Like, why don't you fucking tell me type thing? And it's just, you know, it was just him yelling at me and I'm trying to be like, wait, wait, wait, don't believe this. This isn't true. Like, don't believe a thing that you're hearing right now. And he's just like, no, I'm going to believe it type thing. After he got that email, he made it clear he wanted me to quit.

Like, he never specific. said, you need to quit your job. It was a, I'm not dealing with this. If you continue, I'm breaking up with you. This is absolutely not okay. You are a whore and I'm not dealing with this. You need to stop. Like, it was just like, push, push, push, or I'm leaving you. And I was like, well, okay, done. Deal. Like, I like you. So I guess I'll be done, like type thing. And he was like, you can just do OnlyFans. The first email came in. I went to work that night and bawled my eyes out to them. And I was like, I don't know what's going on, but I can't work here right now. Like, someone's emailing him. And they were like, that's okay. Like, that's so weird. I don't know

anybody who would do that. I was like, I have no idea who would do this to me either, but I can't work here. I don't feel comfortable. And my boyfriend's mad. Like, I don't want to lose my boyfriend. I have to stop working. So I quit my job and I started Onlyfans after that. They started becoming stalker emails. So then I just... just stop leaving my house. I quit my job. I stopped leaving my house. I was insta-carting. I was door-dashing. Like I was, like, stressed out because these were specific. Like, oh, I just saw her carry her groceries in. She's doing this, this and this. I'm going to go upstairs and fuck her. Like, literally, like, these nasty, horrible emails about me. And his response is not to be worried about you, but to be mad at you.

that's well yeah he was sending he he he he so he only this was also important to know he only sent me like two or three of like proof of the email and it was from these like crazy emails some crazy fake emails and i'm genuinely like screaming crying throwing up with anxiety like this is not true like i liked this guy i was really trying to prove like this is not true this is not who i am like i don't know who this is i don't have bad blood in hawaii like i don't get this like what's going on, but he was very persistent about someone was watching me. I literally, I left. I went and visited him again. I was like, I'm leaving. I don't want to be here. I was just like, okay, I'll fly out there. Like, I need to just be better. I need to just be with you. I need you to just see that this is not true.

So then that whole trip was basically him being like, you're a cheater. You need to prove yourself, all these things. And I'm like, that's a wild position to be in. You're like, unstable, going to him for help and stability and support because you're scared, but he's also blaming you for this. It's my brain is mushed. I can't imagine where you were. Yeah. And this whole time he was wanting me to move to San Diego, but I still had a while left on my lease. And then a stalker emails happened. And then it was, no, you need to do it now. We're going to figure out how to break your lease now. And I'm like, well, you know, I don't know if I'm comfortable with that. And he's like, well, I'm not comfortable with you living in Hawaii. So you either need to move here.

or we need to like cancel this whole relationship. So I agreed and started planning this move to California. How long had you been dating? We met May 22. He asked me out July, June or July, and I moved in October. So it was all really fast. And this is the whole point where we had the Bali trip planned. And he's all telling me you can't come anymore.

You're like, I'm going to break up with you like all these things. Yeah, like all these. these things, but then it was like, no, I can't go to Bali without you. It wouldn't be the same. Like, I really want to go with you. But I think to prove yourself, like, you should really help me pay for the things now because I was about to give you this whole trip. And I think now you should pay for me. We heard this before. Ew. Yeah. He's got his playbook. Yes, exactly. He literally has a thing for everything. That's what I realized. So he begged me and basically, forced me to pay for all the hotels and all of like everywhere we basically stayed. And if I didn't

pay for it with my own money, he took all my credit card points. He literally went in and bought hotels with my credit card points. Like big hotels, like gorgeous hotels in Bali with my credit card points. I had no credit card points. I had like 90,000 and I had none by the end of the trip. Like took them all. We actually had a pretty good time in Bali. I think we fought a couple times, but it was more like he was yelling at me and I was just like, let's just like have a fun. Like these emails aren't real. I don't know what else to like prove to you, whatever. But when I got home, when we got home from the trip, I got an Instagram DM request

basically giving a screenshot of all of these conversations that he's been having with this one specific girl being like, hey, I just saw your guys this TikTok. Jay has been talking to me on this dating app and I showed him instantly. that's a fake account of me. That's not a real hint. That's not a real hinge. Oh my God. And me being me, I believed him because I was like, oh, I have fake accounts of me everywhere. So I'm like, you know, like maybe he's, you know, he's kind of a good looking guy. Like maybe he actually has fake accounts. And he's like, I'm not a cheater. Looks me in my eyes and goes, I'm not a cheater, Chloe. I'm like, okay, you know, whatever cool. So my move to California was planned for two weeks after getting back from Bali. While we were in Bali, he had had me start selling all of my things on Facebook marketplace to make sure that they were gone by the time I got back.

So once I got back to Hawaii, I sold almost everything in the first day that I was back. So I had just sold all my life. And then as days went on, he was being horrible to me. He was ignoring me. He was not talking to me. He was going out and then not replying at 9 p.m. and then FaceTiming me at 8 a.m. and being like in bed, like, oh, I just woke up all these things, which were very, like, you know, sketchy.

Everything was very sketchy. So after everything, I'm like literally in Hawaii. Like, I don't think I should do this. I don't think I should move. But I sold all my stuff already. So really, honestly, I didn't really want to move when I was moving. But I kind of felt like I was S.O.L. Like, I was shit out of luck.

Like, I already had done half of it. like I needed to just go through with it. So I'm like, you know what? Let me just do it. If it doesn't work out, I'll make a life from myself in California. Whatever, you know? I was like, I've always figured it out. Let's do it.

So I moved California, October 2022. He held those cheating allegations over me for the entire relationship, those emails that he had no proof of of anything. So manipulative. Yeah, he held those over me for forever, made me want to prove myself. he always wanted me to prove myself, prove that I wasn't using him, proved that I didn't just move to California because I wanted to and used him to do that type whole thing. And I was like, I moved because you wanted me to. What are you talking about? Anyways, so he made me buy all the furniture pretty much for the house,

for the apartment. Oh my God. And you don't even realize he's manipulating you to do all these things. Like it doesn't even sink in until you put it on paper, right? Exactly. And I'm over here like trying to prove I'm not using him because I actually think like he's has this money and like he actually thinks that I'm doing this and I'm like no like let me buy the bed frame let me do this I don't need you yeah yeah but I'm also over here quit my job don't have shit like I don't know points anymore I don't yeah I don't really have money so I started only fans with him before I moved he was pushing me pushing me pushing me to do it after I like you know he's like well you just need to quit your job you know like you can just do only fans and I'm not comfortable with this, but I just fell into like the little trap. He's like, I'll manage you. I have a

marketing agency. I can do all these things that help you. Like, you won't even have to do anything. You just create the content. Like, everything's done for you. It's easy. It's done. It's cool. So, yeah, so he was proposing it like the whole time, like, while I'm begging him to be with me and like doing all this stuff and I'm quitting my job and all these things. And he's like, well, just do it. Just do it. And I'm like, okay, fine, I'll do it for you. Like, as long as you take me back type thing. I also really needed the money. I broke my lease to move to California. Like, I did a lot of things. I didn't even really sell my things for good amounts of money. I just sold them. And Holyfans made me uncomfortable. He said he had the whole agency

that handled the whole business side and all the weight came off my shoulders for 50% of my earnings. He said he'll do all of that for me, but they're going to take 50% because he needs to pay out the marketers. He needs to pay the promotion fees. He needs to pay the chatters. He needs to pay all of these people. And I'm like, okay, I don't know any better. So I'm like, okay, cool, whatever. That's how it works.

Yeah, that's how it works to me. So when I first moved, he was constantly gone. He was at the office, at the real estate office working, whatever he was doing, lunches, all these open houses, all these things. So I was at home putting furniture together. doing all these things by myself and I felt very isolated. I also had no car. I had no way of leaving. I had no way of doing anything. I felt very alone. I felt very isolated and he also was never there on top of the fact that I built all the furniture in that house. Like the entire house was furnished by me

and then he'd come home and be like, okay, what are we going to what are you going to make for dinner? that type of thing. Like I was very like house, housewife status for nothing. I'm working like days and nights. Like I am constantly being forced to work. It was always like, well, I'm at work. Why aren't you working? I got to be on TikTok live. I got to be on O.F, only fans live. I got to be posting. I'm constantly making content. He was pushing the TikTok lives for sure, like pushing TikTok lives because that is a good way to grow on only. I was on TikTok live probably like two to four hours a day, whether that would be 30 minutes, another 30, an hour, another hour.

Once it started getting more and only fans started getting posted on more and he started posting me on Reddit more and stuff like that and everything started getting to go and all the stuff, it was you need to make three TikToks a day on three accounts and then you need to go live for at least an hour. And so when he would go to his job, I would sit on live the entire time he was gone. And if I didn't, he would text me and be like, what are you doing? Why aren't you on live? Why aren't you getting shit done? After OnlyFans started getting good, he was then pushing OnlyFans Live. So then I was like, that's a whole new segment. Now you have to get naked in front of everybody. You're not just sitting on camera on TikTok live. You're sitting on OnlyFans live, which is so much different.

And then he was just like making up all these tip menus. And it would be like flash tits for $20 for 30 seconds or, you know, do a spank for five or like just random things that are, you know, very demeaning. Like I begged him to at least keep the live money because I'm like, that's my money. I'm getting that money. Like if I made $1,500 from showing my body and you didn't do anything, why should you keep it? And it was like, that's not how business works. never never never never was the 50% negotiable never never never did he not get paid for what he needed to get paid for it just made me feel very like an object it just made me feel very you know

just put yourself in front of the camera and make me some money bitch like honestly that's how I felt it's really bad he keeps pushing me to do all these things and I'm just getting so much more uncomfortable with it but if you say no it's well you're not going to make any money that way so I don't know what you're thinking. Like, you're just not going to be able, like, it's not going to be good enough for the men. Like, the men need more. He's bullying. He's bullying.

Exactly. He's got a certain form of gaslighting in a way, too. It's just like, you know. He, like, forced your dependency on it. And then once you're there, it's easy to take more. Yeah. And he would post nudes of me on Reddit that actually he still has up. He still has the whole account.

I can't get it back from him. so he has access to the entire thing. That's awful. Yeah, I'm working on trying to get it removed, but, you know, it's not as easy as it, I thought it would be. Makes me so mad. Yeah, it makes me mad too. Oh.

But yeah, I only found that out by looking at the Reddit post. He never asked me for permission or anything. I just looked, and I was, like, in the shower. And I was like, what the fuck is this? Like, and he would just, you know, be like, what? We need money. Like, you need not we. He would always say,

you need the money, you know, he'd be like, yeah. I'm doing this for you. Of course. Yeah. Oh, always. It'd be like, I gave you this. I did this for you. I gave you this life.

You never made this much money before me. You didn't have a life before me. You were drinking for money before me. Like, okay, cool. I was 21. Of course I was drinking for money. Who wouldn't? He isolated me a ton.

And I mean, the first thing was moving me away from everything I knew for the last four years. and moving in me to a completely different state, which I'm pretty good at moving to places and not knowing people, but this was different when you have someone controlling if you go outside or not. Like, it was very controlled. I was very isolated. I had no friends. When I mean no friends, like I had absolutely no one.

I met one person from my apartment complex, and he hated me seeing her because I'd be like, have a good time with her and come back and be happy, and he'd just be like, ugh, like whatever, horrible attitude towards it. There was one night he went out and I wasn't allowed to go to this rave thing because I love rave music. And then one of my favorite artists was playing and I wasn't allowed to go by myself, which was annoying. But like at the same time, like I understood because I was like, I don't know anyone here. I don't even know how to get around San Diego.

So how am I supposed to go to this rave by myself, whatever? So that night I get on Bumble BFF because I'm like, I'm going to find some friends because I'm not missing another rave. Like, wait, there's a Bumble BFF. Yes, I've used it too, and it's great. Highly recommend. It's amazing. Like to find a friend, like a girlfriend to chill with? Yeah, it's like a dating app for friends.

Are these just like genuinely like people just literally just trying to find cool friends? Yes. And you can put like interest. I have one friend. Shout out to Simone. We both were like, is this weird? And now we're still friends. We're two writers and like it's the most beautiful little thing.

BFF, y'all. Yeah. Not sponsored. Everyone that I know from here, mostly I've met from Bumble BFF. But yeah, got on Bumble BFF wanting to find friends and he hated it. So once I found some friends and I would go make like dates with them kind of to go meet with them, he would throw a fit. Like you didn't tell me you were going to go out. Like how long are you going to go out?

Like da da da da da da da da. He eventually turned this BFF thing into take my card and ask them if they want to. do only fans. Like go and recruit girls basically. So he took my finding friends into a recruiting for only fans like to get them under his agency. How did you feel when he asked you to do that? Horrible. I'm like you're taking my friends. Like you're taking the main place I'm coming for friends and turning it into like I'm a like I'm a pimps girlfriend now looking for girls like at this point. Like that's how I felt. I was like I'm, but he, would that at that point now he's forcing me now you're like he's like you're not making any money

because you're not going to get girls you're not making any money because he was like well you'll get 20% of these girls earnings if you go and get them like and so then he'd be like well no wonder you're broke you're not helping get girls oh my god yeah so two weeks after moving to california i get a message being like hey were you dating j on october 2nd it was like a specific date and I was like, I went back to that date and I was like, that was the date that his phone died at 9 p.m. and he facetined me at 8 a.m. You know, like in bed. Because we never forget those. Oh, no. A woman never forgets. I was up all night in Hawaii that night. Like, I know something's happening. So fast forward, I get a message on that saying, talking about that date. And I go, yes, I was.

In the meantime, he runs to the bathroom and he's getting messages from this girl. being like, I'm telling her. And he's like, do you have to intervene? Are you really that mad that I didn't want to be with you? And all these things, he's saying this in the bathroom while I'm getting the messages saying, are you dating, were you dating him? So this is all happening at one time. And I get the screen recordings. God bless her heart. She, I love screen recordings. I see he's been talking to her for months while we've been dating before even we were dating. The one message I specifically see is that time when I was laying in bed with him before I moved all my stuff in Hawaii and he was like, you're being a cheater. You're going to go cheat on me. And he rolled over

at like 12 something at midnight and messaged her being like, what are you doing this weekend? Or what are you doing this week? Making the plan after just calling me a cheater and saying I would never cheat ever in my life to me. Oh my God. So she actually told me that he took her to a music festival. He got a hotel for her. They had sex, all of the nine yards, and he completely dropped her after. But he told you that. Well, no, she said that. Oh, she's saying that. I'm sorry. I thought you just said that. He told you that. Okay, got it. Well, yeah, no, he said different things. Sure. But yeah, bless her heart. She was amazing. She gave me everything I needed. I'm shaking at this point. He comes out of the bathroom and, like, gets on his hands and knees and was just like, I need to, I have to tell you

something. I'm having all this anxiety. And I'm like, I already fucking know. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I already know. Like, bitch, stand up. Yeah, literally get off your hands in knees. He's like begging. And I'm just like shaking and, you know, we go through this whole thing. He gives me all of these excuses. But the major excuse that he gave me was that he didn't think I was serious about dating him. This is while I just moved my entire life. He said he didn't think I was serious about dating him. And that's why he had to talk to other girls. That's why he needed to go.

Yes. So I basically decided to just be like, you know what, that's fine. We're going to be even about this because he was constantly harassing me about the emails. Ever since I moved, ever since the email started, it was, well, the email said that you're this. Well, the email said, so are you this? Are you using me? That type of thing.

I was just like, you know what? you cheated on me. I didn't really do anything, but we'll just make sure, we'll just use the emails and we'll use your cheating and we'll just say, we're going to call it even. You're not going to bring up the emails. I won't bring up the cheating thing. I almost was just like, can you just stop talking about it? Because it's not actually true. And I guess I'll just have to take you cheating on me truly and actually as like a, all right, let's call it even type of deal. Let's write you off. you're good. We're now not mad at each other. Let's start off from brand new. But after, you know, that specific one, we kind of moved on from that. And I was a psycho about trying to find him on dating

apps. But it was just trying to find out if, like, I really made a mistake. And if he actually didn't think that I was serious about him and that's actually the reason that he cheated on me. Or if I'd been delusional the entire time and I didn't see it coming and I needed to catch the next one. I had Bumble subscriptions to like change the locations because he was huge about changing his location. So he would be in North Carolina sometimes. Like he'd be in Utah sometimes. He'd be in Boston.

He'd be in New York. He'd be in L.A. He'd be in Vegas. You mean his app was, not physically him. No, his app. The setting. If anybody's not sure, you can pay more to expand your search to cities where you're not physically in. Correct. So he was just looking all. over the world. Yeah, he was not discriminating. He would even do it like he had a bachelor trip in Canada. And so

before his trip in Canada, I went and looked to see if he was in there. He was right there. I was like, what are you trying to do, trying to find some girls before you go on the trip, basically. So I would constantly find him on these dating apps. And I still would just be like, delete it. And he'd be like, okay, I did. And then he would never do it. And I would just find him somewhere else or whatever. that was one thing that I wish I would have just taken and run with it because I found him so many times. It was kind of ridiculous how many I let him get away with. It's a tricky thing because, of course, hindsight were like, there it is. But I am curious about what was going through your head in those moments.

Like, just obviously you're dependent on him financially. So he makes you believe. I felt like I could not leave for multiple, multiple reasons. One of them being the isolation, I didn't know anybody in California. And a huge thing for me was I didn't want to move back to my parents' house and I didn't want anybody to be the reason that I did. I could have gone back to my parents' house and I want everyone to know that I could have, but I still chose not to because of my like inner, it felt like failure to me. And that just got into my head a lot too. I just was like, I don't want him to be

the reason that I moved back to my parents' house. And I kept wanting to give him the time of day. I kept wanting to see if he would stop cheating on me. I wanted to be the one for him. wanted to, I had such a fucked up, I had such a messed up way of thinking with this situation because he made me feel like I was so loved by him. And then his actions made me feel so much different. On top of the fact is, I had never been cheated on before. I had never been with anybody before. I didn't, I honestly looked at this cheating. It wasn't that bad. Like, it was crazy to me. It was it was hurtful. It was disgusting. But in my world, I was like, oh, P cheated again. It became so normal for me that it was just like, oh, well, he's done worse. Oh, well, he's done worse.

Well, he can fix this. This is not that crazy. Or I would completely believe what he said to me of why that excuse was. He had such a strong grip on my brain at the time. Like, I almost felt brainwashed by him in a little bit of the way that like he had control my only fans he had control my finances i don't even feel like i was thinking for myself i don't it's so weird because when i look back at like the last year and a half of my life that was not me i speak up for myself i i was so just brainwashed it honestly felt like i was a kid and i was kidnapped when i was one and i grew up with somebody that told me that it was he was my they were my parents and i was just like okay and that was my life from then on.

Like, I felt so brainwashed and so controlled, and I just felt like I, I had no, I couldn't make decisions for myself. He made decisions for me. And that's kind of like, I felt like a little kid who was just kind of being controlled. I think he very much ran with the, I've never been in a relationship aspect too. I'd never been yelled at by somebody that wasn't my family. I'd never been told what to do by someone that wasn't my family or my boss or whatever. I just felt, and I'd also never been in love before.

So when I fell in love with him, in quote quotes, I was falling in love with the idea of someone taking care of me. I was falling in love with the idea that he was giving to me. Like, I'm doing this for you. You didn't have anything before me. You are better now because of me. Like, he very much made me feel like I'm only the person that I am because of him. He has also made you believe that this is what you deserve to.

He's kind of like pushed you down enough that by now. Like, I guess my boyfriend's just going to sometimes go on apps. And that's all I can get. That's the worst feeling. I'm so sorry. Yeah. And then he would say he was on there for looking for validation because I didn't give him any. Oh, my.

That is such a thing, the blaming. What a cry, baby. What a crock. Ew. He knew he was really good at like manipulating and you into making you feel like crap. So that you would do whatever it is he wanted you to. do. So my birthday is shortly after I moved to California. He leaves me alone for my birthday. And I have no friends. I actually, I'm still friends with the one girl, the two girls that hung out with me on my

birthday from BFF, who's my first time meeting them and they hung, they both hung out with me. I love them. I'm still friends with them till this day. We love them so much. Oh, we are not sponsored by Bumble BFF, but I would love to be. Yeah. But yeah, he leaves me alone on my birthday to go on a bachelor trip in Costa Rica. So I honestly kind of trusted that this trip. Like I really didn't think anything crazy was going to happen in Costa Rica. And he was kind of on his good behavior. Like he was messaging me like the normal, the bare minimum. But then on my actual birthday, he ignores me my entire birthday. He does not talk to me. He maybe said like high, like hi happy birthday. After that, he would not talk to me. He started a fight with me that night and told me I'm a crazy and I don't have

birthday? Yeah, from Costa Rica. A jail. Jail. Yeah, that I have a drinking problem and I can't control my liquor and all these things. And I'm not even drunk. I'm literally thinking I'm smoking a joint. I don't know if I could say that, but I'm outside smoking, whatever. You're in California, right? Yeah, exactly. And I am totally chill. Like, I maybe had a couple drinks. I'm not like, I wasn't a huge drinker. But he always said I had a problem with alcohol. Always said because I would get drunk sometimes and speak my mind. Which he doesn't like. Things that I wouldn't say when I was sober. Yeah, things I would keep myself because I knew he'd get mad, whatever, and I'd just get the courage to say it. The liquid courage, you know, a little bit. Anyways, he ignores me my whole birthday, starts the fight with me and adds a couple girls on Instagram. I have his location at the time, and I'm seeing him going through the Costa Rica woods at like 2 a.m. after he's like ignoring me. And he later that morning told me he was asleep the whole time. And he went to home early and he fell asleep. And I was like, well, that's crazy because your phone wasn't asleep. You were moving through the Costa Rica jungle. Like,

what are you talking about? He's like, I sleepwalk. No, he told me that he fell asleep on the way home from the bars. And that's what he meant by he was sleeping. Okay. He comes home, upset, sad, mad, like upset that he got me upset on my birthday. So he basically goes, well, I've been looking at this dog. I really want to get this dog. And I had said to him multiple times, I can't afford a dog. I don't want to take, I can't train a puppy right now. My brain can't deal with it. Like, I am stressed. I am anxious. I am overwhelmed. I don't really want a responsibility right now. And I definitely can't afford one. He doesn't give a shit. He goes and gets that dog. And he makes this entire TikTok about it on our couple account being like, I, this is a whole fake TikTok. Just let you guys know. I knew he was getting the dog. It was not a surprise. And he definitely didn't get it for me because of my anxiety and my loneliness. He got it for me because he cheated on me and because he cheated on me.

Costa Rica. But he makes this whole TikTok saying, hi guys, like, I'm surprising her. She's been super anxious lately. And I don't know. She just moved to California for me. And she doesn't really have a lot of people. And I feel bad for how lonely she's been. So I really just wanted to get her something that makes her feel better. And so I'm surprising her with this dog and da, da, da, da, da, and he forced me to make this whole thing. And I had to be like, oh my God, look at. And I. her like, I love these. They're fake. They're fake. That's horrible. Yeah, that one was fun. Made the whole TikTok about it and promised me I wasn't going to be financially responsible for it. The minute he handed me my dog, he never took care of her after that. He never bought her anything.

He never took her on a walk. He never trained her. He never paid for her training. He never paid for her food. Nothing. The minute that dog was given to me, I took complete financial and full taking care responsibility of her. But I do love my dog. I am very happy that I got her out of this. She is my literal best friend, but we go everywhere together. So that is one very great thing that came out of this.

So I ended up getting a job at Tesla because now I'm financially responsible for a dog and I don't want to do Onlyfans anymore. I'm sick of it. I don't want to do it anymore. So I get a job at Tesla. a girl that I met in the apartment complex we moved into helped me get. So I'm kind of friends with her now. I'm making friends at Tesla.

I'm gone from 9 to 6 every day. You know, you would think that he likes that freedom, but he's telling me to quit every day. I'm not putting enough energy into only fans, which means he's not making money. So he's telling me to quit every day because I'm not wanting to do only fans. So I'm at Tesla one day,

and I get a message from a girl, a long, long, long message basically saying, I'm dating Jay. Like, well, okay, I don't know why I just gasped

because I, like literally I am not surprised at all whatsoever, but it's fine. I know. I don't know why I gasp. That was silly. Yeah,

we're like, no surprise. No surprise. It's still, everything, it makes us, we're just mad. And she has

like has had sex in my bed multiple times. She has a, she knows my dog, like hangs out with my dog all the time, all these things, right? So I confront him and he basically says that she is a crazy drug addict that he knows from college. Oh my God. Mind you, I have seen this name. I've seen this name come up on his phone. phone before. And I was like, oh, who are you texting? And he was like, oh, this is my friend from college. She's in town right now. And I am trying to get, I'm giving her recommendations of places

to go and places to eat. And I'm like, okay, cool, whatever, done. Two weeks later, I get the message from the same girl with the same profile picture he had on his phone that she has on her, like, Instagram. So I'm like, well, that connects really well. But yeah, she said that she was in like a full relationship with him. He goes up to Dana Point to see her. And I'm like, oh, he used to have a lot of real estate conferences in Dana Point. How freaking crazy. Oh, how convenient. So yeah, he told me that she was a crazy drug addict from college that he was trying to help get better and that someone from college had reached out and asked him to help her. And I'm like, this is the same girl that you told me was getting like needed dinner recommendations. And he's like, well, I just didn't want to tell you. I

didn't know like all these things. And I'm like, what she's saying she's had sex in my bed, the bed that I paid for. I don't think you guys, I don't think anyone remembers the fact that I paid, the bed frame, the dresser, the mattress, the comforter, the everything. And I have to come home and sleep in that. You know he didn't wash the sheets or any of that. Ew. Not to mention the disgusting health related issues of all of this. I mean, we know that. I talked to her and she was like, I saw your TikTok account. Everyone saw our TikTok account, which is like so insane why he would continue to do the TikToks because that's how I was catching him. Big question mark there. I've also been thinking that. Why would he want that? It's almost like he wants this attention. I don't know. It was, yeah, it was a big thing for me too that I was constantly like going over my head and I'm like, why are we posting these? And then I stopped wanting to post them because I felt like the stupid girl. Because now he's. he's getting posted on pages and they're talking about me being like yeah he has this girlfriend she won't leave him i've already told her like and i'm like come on like don't yell at me i'm trapped

like but yeah so yeah i after that whole thing you know i still continue dating him i he just was kind of like you know if you're going to believe her then we're going to break up and she's this crazy drug addict she's going to say anything to get us to break up and i'm just like, no, but wait, I don't have anything. Like, don't break up with me. So it was kind of really lame in that way as I really had great evidence of for sure cheating in my bed. He actually texted me that day also asking when I was coming home, which I wish I would have just drove home at that second, honestly. But yeah, I had no one. I was scared. I was scared that he was going to leave me broke, homeless and without anything. So I stayed with him again after that

cheating scandal. But right after that whole cheating scandal, that is when I got the call from Livy. When I got the DM from Livy, I was actually at work at Tesla working. I was very anxious already because I had already found out about the whole sleeping in my bed cheating scandal situation. So I was already very anxious. I was already like constantly checking my DMs because I, you know, was scared of those hey girlie DMs now because I had gotten them so many times already. But I actually saw her comment like, hey girl, check your DM. And I noticed her name. And I like ran to my DMs. I was at work. And I completely just logged off like at work. Like my brain shut off. I like completely went into that. I think I had to go deliver a car. So when I was delivering that car, I called her

immediately. And she's just like, I can hear the shaking in her voice too. And she's like, I'm so sorry. Like, this is really traumat traumatizing for me. And I'm like super scared to be telling you all this right now. But I just don't want this to happen to you. And she kind of ran me through the whole Onlyfans thing. She ran me through the cheating. She ran me through the cars. She ran me through everything that I really knew. Like she had told me pretty much everything that had already been happening to me. Happening to you. But I was still like kind of in denial. Like I wasn't really trying to tell her what was going on. She had been like, is this happening to you? Like I saw you're doing only fans. And I was just like, yeah, like he has cheated on me, I think. Like, you know, I was just being very bland with it.

I was telling her like, oh, I had done only fans before him. which was not true. So I was just being very short with her. But the whole time she was telling me things, like deep down, I was like, holy shit, this is happening to me. I think this, like, but then at the same time, the, like, brainwashed girl was also, like, he would never do this to you. She was the crazy ex.

Why are you even listening to her? You can't. And then I was also, like, the whole time I was terrified of telling him. Like, I was terrified of telling him that I talked to his ex because I knew he was just going to scream at me, not listen to any of the things I had questions. about because anytime that I found out he was doing something, you know, he would always put it back against me and make it my fault. So I didn't really want to do anything about it. She was sending me messages that he was sending her in the same breath, basically being like,

I hope that, you know, I hope your doctor, like threatening her to go sewer at her job and threatening her. And once I saw that, I decided I was going to confront him about this. I showed him the message that Livy sent me, and it was him threatening her. And I was like, what is going on? Like, this is insane. Like, why are you threatening this girl? Like, who are you? Like, I've never heard these, like, horrible words come out of your mouth.

Like, and he was just like, oh, let me see this and, like, took my phone. And then that's when he sent the message to Livy being like, none of, I've never experienced this before. I'm sorry you guys had this experience, but I've never experienced it before. Or like, you guys need to leave him alone. I really think that you. Oh, my goodness. So he took your phone and said that.

And then Livy, I love her. She like ha ha ha ha ha it and then blocked my number. Which, you know, was good because I would do the same thing because that was like another way of him contacting her through me, kind of, you know. So she blocked me on everything. So I didn't talk to her again until. October, 23. So for some January

2023 to October, I didn't talk to her and I stayed with him. But I feel like I always had her in the back of my mind because I'm like, I never knew he was sending these horrible messages to them. So I'm like, I just hope he stops. So fast forwarding a little bit

to Valentine's. Because I spent every major holiday by myself. My birthday, Valentine's. That is awful. Yeah, I was always by myself for like all the important things. And one thing about Valentine's was it was important to me. It was my first Valentine's that I'd ever spent with anybody. I was super excited for it. I had all these plans. I was like super, super excited. He went to Super Bowl, which was before Valentine's.

And he was planned to come back the day before Valentine's. He went to the Super Bowl? Yeah. Well, I wouldn't say he went to the Super Bowl. He went to Arizona and partied with everyone that went to the Super Bowl. Okay. I was going to say, who's paying for him to go to the Super Bowl? But yeah, he comes home the night of Valentine's. He's in a bad mood and he's mad that I'm upset. I'm like, whatever, you know, I got him a basket full of things for Valentine's Day. Like all of his favorite things, like the cutest little basket. I got him like one of those little envelopes that pop open a bunch of pictures and it pop

opens a bunch of things. I don't know if you've seen that. I'm so sweet and I don't like this guy. I know. Horrible. And I'm just like, you know, can I? open it? And he's like, I don't want to open it tonight. Like, I've, I've had a long day. Like, I don't want to, like, I don't want to do this right now. And I'm like, are you kidding me?

Like, this is all the stuff I got you. But he like opens it, like, in a bad mood. Like, basically, like, didn't even say thank you. Didn't even do anything. Just was like, well, thanks, whatever. Just bullshit. And so the next day, I'm like begging him to take me to dinner before my mom comes into town because my mom was coming into town. And I was just like, you know, like, let's have our Valentine's Day dinner. The entire. dinner, he made me cry the entire time about saying how I was pushing him to do this dinner and he has so much anxiety and da-da-da-da-da-da. And when it was time for the bill to come, he was like, I have anxiety. I need to go outside. And I had to pay for the bill because who's going to just

stand there and sit there and stare at a bill? Because he's just sitting outside having an anxiety attack. So I pay for the food. Yeah. I pay for the food. Whatever. We go home. I'm crying. He's yelling at me for crying. I'm like, this is the worst Valentine's Day ever. Like, I'm done. And now my mom's coming the next day. And my mom had questions ready. She was ready to drill him. She was like, where do you do real estate at? Where, like, what's your mom's name? Like, what, like, she was drilling him with like these deep questions. And he had to answer to answer to answer. He had everything ready. He even had open house. is planned out to go to names, house addresses, everything planned out to tell us that that is

where he was going when we went wine tasting. He had all these places. He showed my mom. My mom was like, oh, we should stop by his open house. And he's like, oh, well, it's an appointment only. Like, there's going to be big people there. Like, I'd rather you guys not, like, all these things, like avoiding it. And my mom's like, okay. So my mom and I go wine tasting. He tells us he has open houses. he's going to come after. I'm texting him like, I have his Tesla on my phone, so I can see if he's gone or not. I text him and I'm like,

hey, how's your showings? Because he's still at home. And he's like, oh, they're good. I'm on my way back from him right now. I just, you know, he's not. He's sitting at home the whole entire time. So I'm like, no, he's lying. He just lied to my mom. He just told her the ultimate

excuses. He told her these names, these people, these addresses, all these things that even the price of the house. Like he had everything planned out for her. And she was just shocked by how prepared he was for her, basically. Did she know that you had caught him in the past? She knew everything. She's a, I would call her, like, she's a bestie. I would call her, like, just crying. And she's just like, leave him. And I'm like, but I think I gave him another chance. Like, I was just so scared to always tell her that I gave him another. chance, but she knew I'd leave eventually. Like, oh my God, she's so happy now. You know, she's thrilled.

It's hard. I'm sure many people can relate to, like, we all have to kind of get there ourselves. And I'm always been that person. I've always been that person where I'll figure it out myself type of like, the hurt will hurt, but I'll learn the lesson because like, what if I just left and I would not have learned the lesson in a way, if that makes sense. But yeah, we went mind tasting. He had showings. He never went to them. He lied about going to them. And then I'm like, well, if you're, done like why don't you come wine tasting and he was just like lost his mind over the idea of me not being respectful of the fact that he just worked all day and he doesn't want to come and drive us around and come wine tasting because we had ubered there and he's like you just want me to

come pick you guys up like you guys just want me to be your dd like you guys just like but i'm like this is my mom like horrible treatment oh he should be bending over backwards to yes make her trip lovely and make her like him i hate it But yeah, every night that I went back into the room after being with my mom all day, he forced me to do OnlyFan stuff because I was not allowed to take a break. I had been taking a break all day. And so I had to go in at night and stay up until midnight 2 a.m. and do these like sexting, flirting sessions with these guys and make content or go and take a shower video or go and do these things because I was, I had money to make. I had things to do. And I had been hanging out with my mom all day, wasting time, basically. What he made me think. my God. Yeah. He made me every single night I went into that room. He made me ball my eyes out and then made me work after. It was the worst. It was the worst. That's seriously, like it makes me want to cry just thinking about how awful that must have been for you. I'm so sorry. Yeah. And I obviously kept that from my mom. Like she didn't know any of that at the time. But now she probably would have flipped a shit. She would have, she wanted me to come sleep in bed with her. Like she was like, why don't you just come sleep with me? like fuck him and I'm like because that will be a whole problem like I'd love to come sleep with you mom but I can't like he'll yell at me type thing but yeah he my mom hated him she it was horrible he was

he was even horrible to her which is like a whole other thing like if if the guy doesn't treat your mother very like freaking a queen leave him he ain't gonna treat you like a queen either no but you got to treat my mom and he's got to treat his mom like a queen yeah exactly so now we're getting to what was the last straw for me, the thing that made me decide to finally leave. Oh, my gosh. Hold on. Let me like rearrange myself. I know.

I know. I'm getting comfortable. Get comfy. I need my candy. I need to like snack. Yeah, popcorn. But yeah, okay. It was around tax season and I was having really, really hard times doing my taxes because

I had so much, so many things coming from so many different places and meaning like only fans and now Tesla and I had stuff from Hawaii and I had all these things. And then for only fans, you owe, you know, so I'm like trying to figure out things to write off. It's super hard. You're also like still, what, 22 at this point? Yeah, I'm 22 at that point. Yeah. And I'm, you know, I'd had my mom help me do my taxes every single year. And then I was like, well, this is only fans. I got to do it by myself now. It's so complicated. So yeah, my texts were super hard. And then he was like, oh, let's get a business platinum card for the LLC. So then we can just put all your business expenses on there and it'll be easier to write them off. And he was like, and then also if we get a

business platinum card, we can get like the lounges and stuff and we can make our traveling a little bit easier. He was planning a trip to Turkey for his friend's wedding. So I was like, that sounds great in my head a little bit more of like comfort traveling. So I'm like, yeah, let's do it. He's like, I'll add you as a card holder. Like, nothing will go on your credit. You can just pay a little bit extra to be on my account, basically. So he's like, what's your social security card number? So I just give it to him.

Literally give it to him. Like, I don't know, no, no, nothing. I don't think of it at all. I see that this girl is texting him. And I'm like, who the hell is this? And he gaslights me for an entire hour telling me it was, I saw a different name. I see clearly the message.

He sits there and gaslights me and tells me, you didn't see that name. It was this person. And they didn't say that. They said this. And it was a clear, good morning, smiley face, heart text. Oh, my God.

And he sits there for an hour and tells me, I don't know what I'm talking about. And I saw a different name. And that's not what I actually saw. So after the credit card account has been opened, I am a little iffy about it because for some reason, my name keeps coming up first. Like, on all these emails that are going to his account, I'm like, let me see the account,

let me see the account. He's not showing me anything, but I keep seeing my name on all the emails. And so fast forward, it's whatever. I haven't looked into anything. He goes to Texas. I'm stalking this one girl who I saw the message from. I'm stalking her Instagram. And she is posting the exact same locations that he is in in Texas.

And the one really specific one was a man-made surf wave in Texas. I knew he was there, obviously, and she posted that she was there, and it was like him on the wave. And so I messaged her, and I was like, Twitter fingers. I was like, he is in a full relationship. We have a dog. We have a lease. We have a turkey trip plan together. We've bought flights.

Like, I'm literally- Oh, my God. We have a credit card together. credit card, all these things. And she just basically replies and says, I don't know what you're talking about. But then the next message right under that goes, hi, I'm so sorry. I didn't know. I had no idea what the hell. I don't want anything to do with this. So I say, did you just say that first message? It sounds like a completely different person. And I send her a screenshot. And then the next one goes, no, I didn't. That was my assistant. And then the next one goes, no, I didn't write that. What the hell? I don't want any part of this.

So I'm confused because I'm getting two completely different messages on the same account. And I feel like it's kind of hard to hack someone's Instagram and say things that you're not seen. You know, like, I'm just really confused. So I basically go, can you just tell me yes or no if he's cheating on me with you? And it just goes, no, blocked. And I'm like, he definitely wrote that. after I text her, after I see all this, I'm Call American Express. I'm like, get my name off of that card right now. And she's like, I can't.

It's your card. You're the account holder. And I'm like, excuse me? This is all, he's charged five grand on here already now. So I'm like, cancel that shit. It's cancel it. Because I just found out I am in full account holder, full responsibility for every dime that goes on there. Oh, my gosh.

So canceled it. He calls me two seconds after and starts screaming at me. Like, how dare you cancel this card? Da-da-da-da-da. Long story short, he comes home from Texas. He gives me this whole thing. He manipulates the shit out of me. And I reinstate the card to go to Turkey with it.

Dumbest idea I think I've ever had in my life because I would be $12,000 less in debt if I didn't do that now. But reinstated it. He put the whole turkey trip, $12,000. He's put tables. he's went out and got drunk at. He's put hotels that he went out and cheated on me with. He's put his food, his bills, his car insurance, his health bills, all on it. This is all stuff I'm paying off now to this day. And I'm just like, I think he's going to pay it off. I'm just like, I've never seen him not pay something in a way. Like, I really haven't. But in a way, he always paid it with my money.

Right. So I'm like really thinking like, oh, he's really going to pay this. He's not going to leave me in debt. Like, this is crazy. This is a crazy amount of money to leave somebody in debt for. But after, you know, we reinstated it. He charged all this stuff from Turkey. While we were in Turkey, I saw him texting the same girl, the one from Texas. I started seeing that he was texting her, like sending her TikTok, sending her all these things. So I lose my mind, obviously, because I'm like, why am I in Turkey with you? Like, why did I come here? You should have just brought her at this point. and he threatens to leave me in Turkey.

Oh my God. Like left the hotel. He threatened to just leave me there. I was up crying all night. Like I was sick. Like I was like my stomach was sick. And I'm like terrified to obviously get left in Turkey because I'm not, I don't know. Like I don't know what to do in Turkey to get home.

If I got left. I wouldn't know what to do. It would be horrifying. I could figure it out. I would call my mom. crying. I don't want to do. Yeah, like I'd figure it out, but I didn't want to get left. So I didn't get left in Turkey. He actually just the next morning switched, flipped a switch and just was nice after that again. And we went to, because he's mood switches. Like, he can scream at me all night and leave me there.

And then he'll wake up the morning and be like, let's just not fight. And I'm like, that makes you feel crazy probably. Yeah, it makes me feel insane. But at that point, I was like anything to make this not so horrible for myself. I was going. through so much mentally. I was just like anxious and I was around all his friends because it was a wedding. Like it was his friend's wedding. We were around so many people and it was just like get it together. We're going downstairs type thing. So I got it together. We ended up finishing the Turkey trip and we flew into New Jersey from Turkey where his sister was. So we stayed at his sister's house. That night, he started another fight with me and I just brought up the girl again. And I was like, well, you're still

texting her. I'm at this point going home in the morning. He's not coming home with me. He just like went to visit his family. He had a couple festivals on the East Coast as well. So he stayed. I returned home after Turkey, after staying at his sisters that one night. At his sisters, we basically were like, I'm done with you. Like I, I, I, because we were fighting. And I was like, I'm done. Like I was like, I'm not doing this anymore. Like this last girl from Texas, this last cheating scandal, the putting the card in my name, the everything. was my, I was done. Like, I was so far fucking done at this point. And we basically, I'm just like, I don't, I'm done. And so we go to bed. I wake up in the morning and I just go to leave. And he's like,

you're really going to leave. I can't believe you're just going to go home and not talk to me at all. Like, are we breaking up then? And I'm just like, I don't know, Jay. I'm just done. I need to go home. I need my dog. I need to figure things out. So I go home after Turkey. And he was gone for a month. He went to lots of places, did the festival, and then he ended up going to Italy for another wedding that I was just like, I am not going with you. Like, it's done. That month that he was gone, he put more of that onto the credit card. So we're in big debt on this credit card. During the time he was gone for that entire month, over 10 boxes of his things started showing up at the door.

Like boxes, boxes of things, which named Jenny from Vegas, you know. It was coming from Vegas and it was coming from the ex-Genny. Okay. Boxes of things. Like, I mean, old, like, cords, Xboxes, shoes, clothes, belts, like, cooking stuff, like, random shit, which was so answered a lot of questions because it was so confusing why he didn't have anything to his name when I first met him. Like, he only had some clothes. He only had a little bit of stuff. So all of these things come in, like the crazy amount of things.

And I never knew about it. So I'm just like, I was never informed all of his crap was being sent over. So I'm like, what is all of this stuff? Like you're not communicating with me. He's still cheating on me with this girl. And so after he came home from this month long trip, we just agree to like mutually break up. Because now it's September, 2023. October is happening soon.

The lease is ending in October. we're agreeing to like mutually break up. I'm like, I'm done. I can't do this. And he was like, we can break up, but you have to continue working with me. Like he was, the business was his. My only fans was not my own. All the accounts I've made, TikTok, Snapchat, Twitter, none of them were mine.

They were all his. He said, you're going to take all of my work and, you know, just go and run with it. And I'm going to get nothing out of it and all of these things, all of this work I've done. for you. You're just going to take it. So I agree to work with him still, but break up. I had a plan working in my brain, but I was just like, I'll just say I'm going to work with him, but I'm not going to continue working with him. He's not going to get paid his last little bit. Like, none of this is going to actually happen. So we agree to mutually break up, but we also agree that, like, he's going to leave and go on this festival trip, and he's not going to come back until I'm out of the

house just so we can split. Clean break. Yeah. So as we do that, he's still working with me. He's he's like, you need to go on OnlyFans Live. So I'm like, okay, I'll do it. I make $1,500 that day. No one helps me. I'm the only one making that money. He immediately calls me. He's like, oh my God, you did so good. Hey, can you send me my half of that right now, though, because I need to do something and I need the money. And I was like, none of that half is yours. Are you fucking kidding me? I was like, you didn't do anything. I said, where was the agency?

Where were the chatters? No one posted. No one did anything. What? No. And he was like, well, that's not how a business work. And I said, no, that's how a pimp works. I said, you're not getting my money.

Oh my God. You're not getting my money. And he was like, it was $1,500. Like, what you want? 750? That's what you really want. Yeah, you're really freaking out about that bad. And he lost his mind when I called him a pimp.

But I'm like, it is what you want. are. Like, it is what you are. And I only realized that I was being pimped out right when that happened. Like, right when he was like, you have to give me that $1,500. And I was like, I worked for that $1,500. And he was like, well, you have to give it to me. I was like, no, I actually don't, which is so crazy. Like, I'm going to keep that money. I felt wild to, like, get to that point. Yeah, I felt very empowered, but I was still very scared. It was nice to say all these things to him. But it was also like, it's also important to note that he was very like, I will ruin your life. I will make your life hell. I will

fuck your life up, basically, if you mess with me. Yeah. Like he was very... And that's at every step. Like, that's something it's easy to forget as you hear the story in a one hour, two hour podcast episode is like the fear that you're constantly living in. Yeah. No, it was a fear of constantly. Yeah, it was constantly fearing him. And so that same night we're fighting, I'm calling him a pimp, whatever. I'm like, I'm done. I go to a bar. I'm with my friend. She's visiting me. I'm like, let's just go get a drink. Like, I'm sick of this. I followed this guy that I'd been, he'd been a good friend at the bar. Like, he kind of like, you know, he keeps you safe at the bar. He's like one of those guys that like kind of protects you from the weirdos.

Kind of like, finally, you know, yeah, I was like, finally, I'm single. I can follow him. Like, you know, he's a cool friend. Like, cool, whatever. I don't have to deal with, you know, him yelling at me. Oh my God. Immediately. I think I followed him for two seconds before Jay texting me like, oh, I see what you're doing. You do. did all of this to follow him. Like you, this is what you wanted, like all of this. So as he's saying on this, he is blowing at my phone calling me a prostitute, calling me a slut calling me. Oh my God. Saying all of these nasty things, saying horrible, horrible things. And as I'm at the bar, he hacked all of my social media. He hacked my Instagram, my Snapchat, my Twitter,

both of my TikToks. And I'm getting all these notifications like account, account, account, account. He's hacking my iCloud. How? Did he have your password or is he going to get into it? You don't know. No, I don't know because he's sending me word for word messages that I'm sending people. And he's like, yes, I read, I'm reading all your messages. He must have done that when he hacked my computer a long time ago, which also reminds me to mention that I just found out that he's been tracking my AirPods since I don't know when.

Oh, my God, the AirPods. Yeah, AirPods. I went to like switch them to my other phone and it was like j at gmail.com is tracking is like has this location. And so I'm like well damn now he knows where I live like that kind of sucks. I didn't even think about the AirPods. Holy shit. The AirPods are everybody after you're finished listening go through and see what locations are shared with who on all your devices. Let's just do a little sweet.

Seriously. I didn't even think of it. Well, I didn't either. Like, I would have never thought to check unless I just, like, switched my headphones at one day and Apple told me, you know? So after he hacked all my things and he was reading my eye cloud and all these things, he, I went to bed. I wake up and my entire only fans is wiped. Like the entire thing, everything is gone, all the posts. And it has fake scam artist on the top and says, the location is anyone's bed because I'm desperate.

And it says, my pussy's for everyone. And he was plastered it everywhere. He sent messages like, make sure you unsubscribe and screenshot all your content because when I delete my account, you'll lose everything. So he's basically telling everyone to take my content and unsubscribe after. So I wouldn't have the subscriber and everyone would go and then everyone would still have my like free content, whatever. And he did that for like four days where I would delete everything, try to log him out and

he still would get in somehow. I changed the password and email 18 million different times. I ended up having to put like two factor authenticator like through a password and all this crazy stuff just so he wouldn't get in. And he just kept doing it saying all these crazy things, sending out mass messages, just trying to ruin my life. Like he told me he was going to do. After he wipes my only fans, I block him everywhere. Everywhere he texts me, I stop. I block him. He started texting me on Instagram. He texted me on Facebook and he texted me on even our shared notes. We had shared notes, like, planning trips together. And he messaged me, like, I need you to text me back. Like that, like, he was just trying to text me on anything he had.

Yeah. He started, like, all the threats started escalating. He told me, I'll make sure you don't stay in California. Like, I will make sure of it. And I was just like, I'm going to get a restraining order. Don't mess with me like that. Like, I'm not about the threats. I'm not about any of it. I was like, my dad will come down here and stay with me if he needs to. Like, we're not about that shit. So I go and get a TRO. It was accepted, but denied in court. He showed up two days before with an attorney, and I didn't have one.

So I thought it by myself. And it didn't, I kind of, I didn't get destroyed in court. Like, he says I did. I just, I wasn't really allowed to talk. Like, I didn't really get a chance to talk or defend myself. His attorney was rude as hell and was obviously doing her job. but I'm just like, whatever. In court, I didn't get the restraining order

because they were basically just like, he'll leave you alone since you guys are broken up now. And I was like, okay, I'll see you soon, you know? Yeah. Oh, my God. Whatever. So I can actually go in there if he harasses me and be like, look, he's still harassing me

and get it without a court date, which is nice. So I'm still under some type of protection because he knows he has to kind of like watch his mouth when he talks to me. But he has, like, emailed me several times after the court date. And this is recent. I mean, yeah, I mean, this is now, you know, a couple, like a month. It's been a month since my last email. And then also he emailed me today. So, you know, like, he's still, he's still going. He's still alive and psycho. Yeah, exactly. I've contacted him. So I've contacted him with a detailed statement of like what he owes me because he also gave me a huge story of why he can't put anything on his affirm and asked me to put me to put.

his Louis Vuitton bag from the like a secondhand designer store place that like sells the secondhand ones. He asked me to put that on my affirm. And I was like at the time, he was calling me a user. He was saying I was using him. So I was like, oh, just put it on mine. And he's like, okay, I'll pay it off right away. I just paid the leftover $1,000 off of the other day because my credit score dropped 150 because I got sent to collections. From the credit card debt. that he put me in that I'm fully accountable for, American Express has not helped me whatsoever. I am like fully accountable for it. It's like even though he charged everything on there, I'm still because I'm the account holder, I'm responsible. And because I knew it was fraud and I reinstated it,

I can't do anything about it. It's just dumb things that you learn. And then also he damaged the apartment. So when I moved out, I ran to like an Airbnb. I was like, I'm dipping out. I was like, I don't even want to be here. I ran to an Airbnb and I went to the apartment complex after making sure you know it was okay. He trashed it. He left so much stuff in there. He put holes in the walls. He left things on the walls. He left dishes in the dishwasher, dishes in the sink. Like, disgusting. And so I went in there and cleaned the whole place out like a day after the lease ended after he was out. And I still, we still got charged like $1,000 in damages. And we also got sent to collections for that because I didn't pay because I was like, I'm already paying for so much.

Like, hopefully he'll pay, but he didn't pay. So then I went and paid it. So, yeah, that's like another $1,000, another $1,000, another $1,000 for all the only fan stuff he took from me and another $12,000 for the debit or the credit card he put in my name. He just, like, almost like $100,000 for me, basically. He really got me, honestly. Like, he did his thing.

He really, he got me for a lot of the money that he needed. That's for sure. Yeah. Post breakup, I'm trying to put my brain together. And I'm just like, I need to reach out to Livy. Like, I need to reach out to her again. So I reach out through TikTok because that's the only place I knew where to reach out to her because I was blocked on everything else from before. And it took her a while to see it.

I was honestly, like, really scared. I didn't know if I wanted her to see it or not. I was like a little bit worried. But she immediately was like unblocked my number and text me. She's like, hey girl, what's up? And I was just like, yes, like Livy. Like she's just such a girl's girl. Like she was just, she knew what happened to me.

And she knew I was manipulated. She knew what happened. She knew exactly what happened when like she got that message. She was like she got got basically. Like, you know, she got manipulated. So we just started talking. God, we were voice memoing the hell out of each other. We were like, oh, my God, and then this, did you?

Oh, and then this? And we were just trauma bonding over all the things that were happy to us. And she also helped me figure out a lot about more of the cheating, the credit card fraud, the fake agencies, all the fake emails from the stalker. We bonded over the fat shaming. Like, I got fat shamed so much. I wasn't allowed to eat sugar either. Like, I was always getting yelled at for wanting dessert. That's so interesting.

I want to hear more about the feeling of connecting and finally having somebody else in this isolation. It was so nice. I'm sure it was so cool for Livy, too, in a way. I mean, you know, she's here so she can talk about it too. Yeah, Livy, feel free. Yeah, literally, just the validation was crazy. And like, when you go through things like this, like you can tell your friends, you can tell your family, you can tell your new boyfriend. And everyone around me is, thank God. so loving and supportive and understanding, and of course they believe me, but nobody understands it like someone else who has been through it. And like I said, you know, they all believe me, but they're kind of like, oh, you know, that's really crazy, but no one gets what it's like to go through it and then not even know like what was real, what wasn't, you know, and then

putting more pieces together. It's incredible. It's emotional. It's healing. We have such a sweet friendship now. If nothing else, I've made the best friend in the world through Jay. If one good thing comes out of the situation, it's it's girlhood, it's friendship, it's sisterhood, and all of the love in the world. 100%. I love that so much. I love that so much. Now, because you, now forever and ever, you always have someone that you can relate to when it comes to that situation. Oh my gosh. We, the amount of things that we both had happened to us at the same time, like, even, Even the, this is one that I'm seeing it on my notes and I have to say it is he forced us to watch Tinder Swindler, both of us. I actually got forced to watch it three different times because I fell asleep the first two times.

But he would be like, look at how crazy he is. Oh my God, I feel so bad for the women that are getting all this money stolen from them. Like he made us watch Tinder Swindler. Meanwhile, he's watching it taking notes in the background. He's like, what can I learn from this? Yeah. It was his sick. way of showing us like, hey, this is happening to you and you're stupid for not even realizing

it. Can I ask you guys a question during this relationship? Like we know obviously this guy was like a complete piece of crap. But obviously like you stayed for the period of time that you did. So was there, there must have been a lot of times where you felt like comfortable or felt loved. Like was that outweighed or did you just not see the bad things that he was doing? Like, do you know what I mean? Yeah. He was very good at making you feel good in a way. Like he, so I always talk about this, the way he like wanted to cuddle. Like he would get so excited to cuddle. He would get like this little voice that he had. Like it was just like this little baby voice. Like he would do like these baby voices to you. Like he would be like loving.

Yeah. But then he would, it could just switch. Like he'd be like, I want to cuddle. Like I want to do this. I love you so much. But then we're fighting. Or if I want to have like, it would be like he does like, yeah. Just enough to keep you holding on. Yeah. Like it was those little moments where like you crawl into bed and he's like happy to be there with you that you were like, oh, he loves me. But then it's like now that I'm thinking back, I'm like, oh, he was just matching me like a narcissist does, you know.

He was just, you know, being in the same kind of vibe I was in at the time. Because if I was angry, he would be angry too back at me. But if I was in a good mood, I think it was easier for him to be in a good mood. You're being, you're obeying and being obedient to what he wants. Absolutely. I think that's something important to say is like it wasn't all horrible. And every single day you're being actively all these things. It was such a mind F coming out because it's like, wait, we had inside jokes and like we laughed together and I bonded with his friends and family. That's where the denial comes in. We're like, wait, no, I wasn't kind of a good relationship.

Like he loved me and I loved him. He just has this and this. But that's important to say for other women. Like if you're having these doubts and you see some of these signs, like it's not all bad all the time for it still to be happening to you. Yeah. Like there was a reason we stayed. Like there was like partial reasons minus like the manipulation and the feeling very dependent and all that type of stuff. Like manipulating and making me feel loved was a that's manipulating too. Like you were just manipulating. me into thinking that you loved me. Well, and you want to believe that part. That's the part you want to hold on to. Well, I've just realized love is not that hard. Like, love should not be that painful. I was singing that, too. And we are all taught.

Everyone tells you, like, oh, relationships are hard, relationships are hard work. And that's not untrue. But I think it makes it hard to distinguish between when it's wrong, when it's abusive. Like you sometimes. Yeah, when it's so hard, it's not worth it. And you should never, ever feel unmasual. wanted, unloved, unattractive, a bother, a pain in the act, like nothing. Like, you should never feel like that. No, you're never a problem. One thing I want to say to women is he very, very,

very, very made a point of is he would always be like, well, I've never hit you. I've never been physical with you. You know I've never hit you, though. And I just want to say, like, no matter if it's not physical, like, I'm messed up from this man, like traumatized. My brain is a different It's wired a different way now. Like, mental abuse is not the same as physical, but it can really mess you up. Because I was always like, well, he never hit me. Well, he doesn't hit me. It could be worse.

That's not true. Like, it is bad. You are going through what you're going through. Like, mental abuse is horrible as well. And I just like, I don't know. It's kind of gross like him making the point always like, well, I didn't hit you. Well, I've never hit you. So you can't.

Like, he's taking pride in it. Like, well, I didn't do the worst to you. And that's not the bar. That's something that a lot. of people don't like a lot of people myself included have been involved in a situation where I'm like, well, it wasn't that. So I guess like it's not. Like it's fine. And if anyone's saying that to you or using that as a way to diminish what you're going through, and that's what's so hard is that you don't feel like I have that concrete evidence all the time because it's not as concrete as that.

Even in court, the police officers are like, well, did he hit you? And I'm like, well, no. But he did do a lot of other horrible, scary stuff. So why does it have to be physical always? But I feel like he's too smart to be physical in the way of he knows he'll get caught. Because if you, if you say he mentally or emotionally abused you, all he has to say is, uh-uh. Like, you know what I mean? Like, there's no bruising. There's no physical evidence. And that's where they use that manipulation. I'm so sorry that happened to you guys. I'm really glad that you guys came together and stuck together. and it sounds like you're still even going through this now. And so I feel like you guys having each other,

it sounds like it's really helping you through it, right? Well, yeah, 100%. I mean, I feel like I'm a huge reason why Livy is even on the way to getting her little restraining order right now. I don't know if you want to talk about that, Livy, but like he's still doing crazy stuff to her. And I feel like I've been influencing the like, go get him, girls. like.

Yeah. How nice that you can learn from each other's legal experiences. Yes, exactly. Absolutely. Yeah. So in December of 2023, this last December, he had reached out to me saying, you sell your pussy on the internet. You're so disgusting.

Your parents pay for your entire life, which is false. I own my own company and I'm completely independent loser. Sle. Period. But saying all that disgusting. stuff and because I'm sure it was prompted because he gets like hate comments on TikTok and girls talk about him on, you know, those Facebook pages. And he just can't fathom that anyone else knows that he's so horrible other than us. We're talking about the pages that are like,

are we dating the same guy and stuff like that. Yeah, he'll get posted on it and then blame us for it. Right. There's more people wanting to know what's going on with him. Exactly. And so I obviously ignored that once again, block that number. And just as soon as a couple weeks ago, I get a random ad on Snapchat. And it's his full government name. It's his username that I know to be his username. It's his bitmoji. And I get a message saying, you must miss me so much. You're obsessed with me. You watch everything I do. And then attachment, a porn of myself and him that I didn't know was being filmed. And this is from like 2021 before we were even official. And I, That was my moment. Like I told my parents everything. We have an attorney on retainer, and I'm currently

suing him, taking him to court for a temporary restraining order, hopefully get a permanent. There needs to be criminal charges. That's where I'm at with that. So he has a lot coming for him. Get ready. She said get ready. For real. He has bigger fish to fry than reaching out to Chloe for who knows what. Yeah, now he's trying, now he texted me today saying he has pending legal action. against me and I gave him everything he needed to continue legal action. And I'm like, okay, let's see it. Like, you're about to get sued by me. You're about to get sued by her. So where are you going to get the third attorney fees? Like, you have to pay for mine too. Like, you messed with the wrong bitches.

Yes. I mean, like I said earlier, he has good taste. That's the only good thing about him. You are both amazing. And I hope now you have us too. Like we're, I mean, Molly behind the scenes and Kenzie and I were like hyped up. Like, all right, we're invested in these cases now. I want to get updates and I don't know if there's any way. We're on the early stages of thinking of how dating detectives can help support people like you because it needs to be easier to access like legal information and representation. And get these fuckers.

I know. You're already doing a huge thing, though. Yeah. You're already doing the biggest thing by giving us this. platform to talk about it. And even though it's anonymous and women might not know exactly who we're talking about unless they run into him, God forbid. But then other people in other parts of the world dealing with other men or predators in general will know the signs. Also, if somebody listening thinks they're talking to this exact person, if you reach out to our email, investigate at

the datingdetectivespodcast.com or DM us. If you say the name of the person, and it's this person, we can connect you to Chloe and Libby. Or if you're going through this exact same thing, we want to share your story too. Yeah, that too. We will get on a girl's face time and we will tell you everything and we'll bond and we'll keep you safe, girl. Yeah. You have support.

We got you. Well, Chloe and Livy, I do hope that we'll share with you what our audience responds to this story because I am so confident that they're going to get so much out of it. we're all like I'm obsessed with both of you you're so great and I hate that he he puts you guys to this obviously there's like nothing else to say you're just like on this journey for whatever stupid reason but look what you're doing with it so thank you for coming thank you thank you we're happy to be here that was crazy I'm so mad like I'm fired up I know and the sad thing and also it's bittersweet so that's the end of

our episode, but that's not the end of the story. Their relationship with this guy in terms of holding him accountable is ongoing. And we love Chloe and Livy so much. So we're going to keep up with them and keep y'all updated to the extent that we can. Also, I want to point out how brave these girls were telling this story, especially because it's ongoing, just because this is stuff that's so hard for a lot of people to talk about. So good for them for sharing it and you using a platform like this to share their story because if this is, especially since this is ongoing, this could be happening to so many other people and some people have reached out thinking it's the same guy, which means that there's potential that this is happening with other people as well. And someone mentioned, Andrew Tate. Have you heard of Andrew Tate? He's like a, he teaches how to groom and manipulate. Like he literally teaches how to manipulate people in this way. It's crazy. It's crazy. Like there's like a whole, there's a whole training on it. And that's like he needs to be shut down.

Like if you guys have any entertain stories, we need to hear those too. Oh yeah. Anyone in that camp of just treating women as less than human or treating anyone is less than human. I, yeah, it's it's beyond comprehension that you mentioned this on the last episode and I want to reiterate. Like the laws in place don't really protect people in this case. They're not very protective. There's such a stigma for sex. work or even abuse that is not necessarily violent or physical. And it just becomes so much harder to not only share your story, but see any accountability. That really hurts my heart. So if you,

if you have a story like this and you want to share it and you want to use this platform to get your story out and help other women potentially, like you are not alone and we want to help you share your story. So please make sure you share with us. And if you follow us on the Instagram or on the TikTok at the dating detectives pod or is it the dating detectives podcast? Dating Detectives podcast. Yeah. So the Instagram and the TikTok is Dating Detectives Podcast. When you see us talking about this story, will you please comment or leave messages to show your love and support for Chloe and Livy just so that they can see that they are supported.

They are not alone. And it would just be really helpful to them to see all the love and support. And we want to share that with them if you send us a private message or just comment. Yeah, we want to keep you updated because, especially because it's ongoing. So we'll do our best to. keep you updated, but I just, this is awful, like such an awful situation. And we've actually gotten a lot of messages, too, that say, you know, oh my gosh, like, thank you for talking about this because nobody talks about it. And I think everybody's afraid to, because is it abuse? Is it not?

Is it trafficking? Is it not? And nobody, some people don't want to admit that they, like, did only fans or did something that they might not be wanting to be public about. Like, it makes it really murky. But it is important to have a community of people who you can, like, go through that with. And I just hope that we all can find that. I don't know. I'm still thinking about this interview like every day. Also, I want to know if, and I'll be honest with you, like, I have my own story about like being friends with someone that we were connected to the same guy in a very manipulative kind of cheating way.

He totally lied to us both. But I want to know who else is out there that has stories about like, are you friends with a woman who you met through a guy for, yeah, friends with the other woman. And we want to know if there are stories that you have where you're actually friends with the girl who maybe your boyfriend or husband cheated on you with or whatever. Like, we need to know those stories. We've had this happen in episodes before where two people have become friends and come on to share their story.

The Jekyll and Hyde episode was a really good one if you didn't listen to that. But the camaraderie of people who can be stronger after both being manipulated by the same person is a really weirdly beautiful part of it. And I've said it before. The one good thing about these guys is sometimes they have really good. taste in the women or the people that they fuck over. Yeah. And I want to tell, I want to tell my story too. And I think I'm going to, the other, I'm going to ask my, I'm going to ask my friend if she wants to tell her side of the story too. So I want to say, I'm going to get her.

Yeah. Oh my God. So you guys, if you have a friend who is the other woman or something like that that you want to share, like, please let us know. We would love to hear your story. It's interesting that there's not like a gender neutral phrase of the other woman. Like we're just so used to it being a man like cheating on two women. You know what? That's so true. And it could be the other man. If you're a dude and you're friends with the other man. The other person. Yeah, please let us know. We're really interested in telling those stories too. Like this is a, we love this platform because of how many people have come forward and said, oh my gosh, you guys, this episode really helped me because I didn't realize this. Or we recently had a woman reach out who said, oh my gosh, like I was manipulated in the

this situation. And because of this one of the episodes, I realized I needed to trust my fomtuition, trust my gut, and immediately I was able to shut it down. And she immediately realized because she heard one of our episodes. And I just thought that was really cool. So that's kind of why we're here. Like I love that. I love that for everyone. If we can be even the tiny part of making people trust their gut, then that's all I want. It's really special. And if you guys feel it in your heart to reach out and show your love and support to Olivia and Chloe. You can send us a message or comment on our on our social media. They're in the comments. Yeah. It's anonymous, but they can totally like, you can totally share your love and support for them. They would really appreciate it. The one thing I was

going to add is that we mentioned our lawyer, Leslie Barbara, not our lawyer, but our friend who is a lawyer, who has been on the podcast, is delayed like we had to postpone it, but she is going to give us some insight about this case and cases like this so that we can have more information about, you know, what someone can do in this. She's a very highly sought after attorney. So no wonder she's so pretty busy. But if anyone has questions, like legal-related questions. She's got like big deal, big deal celebrity clients. So that's kind of cool. Thank you so much for your time. We got you. Thank you, Leslie. But yeah, let us know if you have any questions for a lawyer about this because it's a whole different

set of skills that she has. So we'll talk to her. And. We just want to hear from you. Email us. Say the email. Do the email because I always get it wrong. Do the email. Email us at investigate at the dating detectivespodcast.com. Your stories, your thoughts, your questions, your concerns.

Anything. Reach out to us. And then we're on all the socials at Dated Detectives Podcast. We love you guys. And thank you so much for listening. We'll see you next week. Trust your Fintuition. Bye, McKinsey.

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